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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck

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Speaker 2: with you, Buck?

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Speaker 1: What is the word? Man? Now, I've been when the

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Speaker 1: dog days of summer, all the caps are done. We're

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Speaker 1: Great content about things it wasn't I get. I can

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Speaker 1: people dig up old tweets. Oh gosh, my old tweets,

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Speaker 1: treat them out and be like, hey, any update on

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Speaker 1: the playoff tears? No, we're not in the playoffs. You

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Speaker 1: talk about whatever I said about the quarterbacks into tears,

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, if I remember correctly, By the way,

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Speaker 2: we haven't talked about this since. I remember you getting

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Speaker 1: But I put Jalen Hurts into three. Oh Okay, I

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Speaker 1: get flat for that because they won the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So that is that is his thing. But look, I

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Speaker 1: make content. There's nothing to talk about, So issuing a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Thank you very much. We appreciate

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Speaker 2: your services. Today we're gonna hit on an article Buck

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Speaker 2: wrote on some of the enigmas coming into the season.

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Speaker 2: So the great unknowns, the great mysteries, I believe was seven. Uh,

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Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken Buck, So I didn't get to

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Speaker 1: To do with the at the top here.

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Speaker 2: Guys that I kind of circled, so that that that

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Speaker 2: Here's here's the other way I would look at it,

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Speaker 1: And that's not us saying that he's not a good player,

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Speaker 1: Look, it's a very challenging winner is I think one

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Speaker 2: Then some of the ones we just don't know enough about,

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Speaker 2: Jade Daniels hurts, you know, we still have Stafford is

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00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 2: kind of older. You've got Golf as a maybe in there.

433
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: But in that next group, if I just gave you

434
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: these three names, Jade Daniels, Justin, Herbert c. J. Stroud,

435
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 2: which one of those guys has a chance to make

436
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 2: the Big four the Big five?

437
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 1: I think, based on movies saw last year, I'm more

438
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: willing to bet on Jaydeen Daniels. And the reason why

439
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 1: is is to do a threat. It's his ability to

440
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: be able to dominate the game as a runner and

441
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: as a thrower. And I'm being honest with you, DJ.

442
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: I never thought he would have success running in the

443
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: league that he said. And I know he showed flashes

444
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 1: and did all that stuff at LSU, but with the frame,

445
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: I was like, man, there's no way this dude's gonna

446
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: be running quarterback counter and whatever. I thought he would

447
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: be more of a scrambler than a design runner. But

448
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: he's proven that he can be a design runner. To me,

449
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: he has superstar potential and I'm trying to be very

450
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: very light when it comes to putting that expectation on him.

451
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: But he has the kind of moxie and stuff in

452
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: big game performance that he could be a superstar in

453
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: this league. He never appears to be routed, like never,

454
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 1: maybe year two when the league has circulated everything around

455
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: him and he gets kind of different things that he's seen.

456
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: I've just never seen him rattle. And to me, that

457
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 1: poise allows you to perform at a level that you

458
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: have some more levers, some more gears that you can

459
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Speaker 1: go to, because he does have such an emotional maturity

460
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 1: about his game.

461
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how I could disagree with you

462
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: on that. And you know, I think there's a very

463
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: real possible. I'd say it's greater than fifty percent next year.

464
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 2: At this time we're talking about at least it's a

465
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 2: big five, you know. May maybe we see all these

466
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 2: guys enter into that into that category, but I think

467
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 2: I would. Man, it's easy to bet on Jayden Daniels.

468
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're only going to get better

469
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 2: around him, too. Man, I don't think they have like

470
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: an elite supporting cast by any stretch.

471
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: Not at all last year and then you had Deebo.

472
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: You had so many other stuff that you did. You

473
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: had a left tackle. I mean, Brian robinsons back. They're

474
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: going to be physical. And now Cliff Kingsbury knows what

475
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna do. Before you speculated projecting how you

476
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: can play in your system. Now you have a full

477
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: year to see. Oh man, he did this, so we

478
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: can go to of course two oh one as opposed

479
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: to living in one on one debt. Just a different

480
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: just a different thing.

481
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, go back through Josh Connery, their first round pick.

482
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 2: So that's an upgrade at the at the tackle spots

483
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: they got you know, really really talent, really talented there. Uh,

484
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: to upgrade that group. We'll see if some of these

485
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: other young guys that they got in the mix, you know,

486
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: Luke McCaffrey in his next year, see Jalen Lane, the

487
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: rookie who can fly, who they've picked up. So, I

488
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: mean they've they've upgraded some of the pieces. I still think, uh,

489
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: you know, it's not in the upper echelon group of

490
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 2: supporting casts, but I mean it's hard to see what

491
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: you saw last year and not believe that's going to

492
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Speaker 2: be the case. So I think the moral of the

493
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: story of this is we can talk about trucks and

494
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: trailers and you can have debatables, but I think when

495
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: you go through it and flesh out the process, it

496
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: does feel like there's the Big Four, there's a little

497
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: bit of a gap, and then you've got a mix

498
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: of three three to five guys that you know, trying

499
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 2: to compete there. You've got the high end trailers, you know,

500
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 2: the guys that are consistent, you know the I think

501
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: brock Perdy is kind of in that he's in that

502
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: mode to us in that mode and if he can

503
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: get out there and stay healthy. So there's there's these

504
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 2: different little tiers of guys. But it'll be interesting to

505
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 2: see next year if we can see some of these

506
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: guys kind of crash the party of the Big four.

507
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: And the other thing that I'm looking at that Buck

508
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, AFC, Lamar Jackson, AFC Burrough, AFC, Mahomes afc OO.

509
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: It's a gauntlet. And we talked about building championship teams,

510
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: and we talked about it, you better have a team

511
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 1: that can can go and deal with the murderers row.

512
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: It also changes the way that you look at quarterbacks.

513
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: If you're an AFC team, you have to be able

514
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: to envision your quarterback winning a shootout against what are

515
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,479
Speaker 1: all of the four from in the AFC. I mean,

516
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: but that's what we're talking about, like your.

517
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: Quarterback and the two of the next three are in

518
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: the AFC. So kind of looking at these tiers, six

519
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: of the top seven guys are AFC.

520
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks the murderer's row of the And it's also why

521
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels has a clean runway. Oh yeah, I mean,

522
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: it's it's right there for him. Yeah, it's all right

523
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,959
Speaker 1: there for him. So when it comes to we talk

524
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: about building team, being able to win your division and

525
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: then looking out how to win your conference, you better

526
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: have someone that you can see win a shootout. Because

527
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: as much as you want to protect them, as much

528
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: as we want to have like a high end trail

529
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we can surround them in those games

530
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: against those guys that are monster trucks, you have to

531
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: be able to level up and go there. Now, to

532
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: his credit, Jalen Hurts, we've seen him do that multiple

533
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: times in those big games We've seen him out play

534
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes in the biggest game and get and we're

535
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: able to give him credit for being able to do that.

536
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: So he has that ability to take it up a notch.

537
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: Everyone doesn't have that capacity, and so that's what we're

538
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: looking for when we're looking at the quarterback.

539
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess I don't want to insult

540
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: Hurts by not putting him in that in that company there.

541
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: With him and Jade Daniels. We put it right on

542
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: the border and look, yeah we do it. We treat

543
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: it like the draft room. We put him right on

544
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: that line, deadline where we see in the room that hey,

545
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: his greatest right here. We can put him right on

546
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: the line and give him a chance to play into

547
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: that category because he very well could play into that.

548
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: Because look, if the Philadelphia Eagles started looking like they

549
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: are a back to back type team, and if it's

550
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: like that because of his performance and the way that

551
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: he plays, and if he shows us another, uh, another

552
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: array of skills or things that you know, always talking

553
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: about working on your game and coming back with something added,

554
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: another dimension, man, if he has another dimension, and yeah,

555
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: without doubt, he goes into that category.

556
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I because I know, I'm sure we'll

557
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: get some grief from Philadelphia folks on there, and you

558
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: guys talk some much about Jayden Daniels and Hurts is

559
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 2: super MVP. But I would just pose this question, and

560
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 2: it's not an insult to Hurts. I appreciate his game,

561
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: I appreciate how he's played in two Super Bowls, and

562
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 2: his leadership is toughness. I mean, we've we've been very,

563
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: very effusive in our praise since he entered into the

564
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: league when we were talking about him. But I just

565
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: have a hard time if you just if you look

566
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: at it and be objective, if they swap teams, you

567
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: put Jaden Daniels in there with that Philadelphia group and

568
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: then you put Hurts on Washington. I don't know anybody

569
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: that could argue that Jaden Daniels doesn't have even more

570
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: success with the Eagles and that Hurts. Would be a

571
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 2: hard time for me imagining him getting the same out

572
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: of that group over there that Jade and Daniels did

573
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: so and it's not an insult. He's a great fit

574
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: in Philly and he's winning and got paid all that stuff.

575
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: It's just to me, I would take Jaden Daniels over him,

576
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: even though in the winning is heavily favored towards Hurts.

577
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think some of that is when

578
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: we talk about all this, some of that comes down

579
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: to skill set and the one thing that I would

580
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: say about Jade and Daniels, I would give him the

581
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: edge over Hurts as a pure pocket passer, where I

582
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: would say that Hurts is the more rugged, the more

583
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: physical runner. There's like an explosives to Jalen Daniels that

584
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: is a little different. So that's why I would rank

585
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: him over top of Hurts without being distract with ahearts

586
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: ability because I do believe he can get to that category.

587
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: Yep, same, All right, by quick break, come back, We're

588
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: gonna hear on your enigma seven enigmas for the next

589
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: for the upcoming season. Right after this, all right, bock

590
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: taking away seven enigmas.

591
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: Shoot, okay, sogmas. We're talking about guys who are really

592
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: good players, but just trying to figure out man are

593
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: the good to great? And some of this has to

594
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: do with the contract. So the first guy on the

595
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: list we talked about already was Caler Murray. Caller Murray.

596
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: The Cardinals win and they paid him the extension. There's

597
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: a lot of conversation about the extension when it came

598
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: to whether preparation habits, study habits and all that, but

599
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: you couldn't dispute the success that the team had with

600
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: him and you wanted to retain them. We're now we're

601
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: in this weird place where we talked about sub five

602
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: hundred record, the playoff wins. You're just trying to figure

603
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: out where do we put a guy that we're gonna

604
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: be on the hook for a lot of money for

605
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have to eventually do an extension. So

606
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: with Calla Murray, I want to see if you can

607
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: go from good to great. He's flashed great at times,

608
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: but he's been more good than anything. But can he

609
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: go to the next category? And so that's why he's

610
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: a little in that enigmatic for me when it comes

611
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: to talking about where he fits in the landscape.

612
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, the talent is there. To me, it's like,

613
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: can you stay healthy and fresh and play fast, you

614
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: know throughout a full season. You've got you know, some

615
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: nice pieces around you there, man, the buffed up mar

616
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior. I'm curious to see if he can you know,

617
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: he play a little bit better this next year, get

618
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: a little more comfortable, uh in their system, and they

619
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: properly know how to use him and get something there.

620
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: But I mean that's I talked about this with somebody

621
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: the other day. There's you think about shot dispersion and golf,

622
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: you know, like how how far are you spraying it?

623
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: If you think about win totals of like teams that

624
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: could you know, you're saying they're gonna win between this

625
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: and that many games, Like I've mentioned the Pittsburgh Steelers

626
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: have to me, they're Pittsburgh Steelers. There's no universe where

627
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: they don't win nine to eleven like they that's it.

628
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: They're not gonna win five games. They're not gonna win

629
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: fifteen games. They're a nine to eleven win team. I

630
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: feel like the Arizona Cardinals, if you told me next

631
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 2: year that they won six games or thirteen games, I mean,

632
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: I I don't know that. I would, you know, disagree

633
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: all over the map. And I think that goes to

634
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: him being enigmatic. You don't know what you're gonna get.

635
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know what you can get. And there

636
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: is something to that, and so like with all of

637
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: these guys that we talked about, part of them being

638
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: a enigma is the lack of consistency. So can he

639
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: smooth without his game where we know each and every

640
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: week this is what we're getting from Arizona Cardinal CB?

641
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: All Right, who's next? How about George Pickens? Like George

642
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: Pickens like look the best that never was right in

643
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: terms of there's so much excitement about the things that

644
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: he can do. HeSE just someone who averages over sixteen

645
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: yards per catching their career, that is a big play specialist,

646
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: someone who has a thousand yard season on the resume,

647
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: someone who is dynamic, electric, he can take over the

648
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: game and those things, but someone who also has a

649
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: handful of things that leave you scratching your head one?

650
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: Can he bring the emotional stability that he needs to

651
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: be a great player each and every week? Can he

652
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: moved beyond some of the things that I would call

653
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: distract him from the film where there's lack of touches,

654
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: not feeling like he's involved in the game, and those things,

655
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: and just concentrate on being great in whatever role that

656
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: is for that game. You first seed d Lamb and

657
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer and those guys talk about, Hey, we don't

658
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: have a one and a two wide receiver, we have

659
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: one eight and one B. When it comes to Cede

660
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: Lamb and George Pickens, respectively, I want to see how

661
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: this plays out, because if he is truly a number one,

662
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: he should have plenty of opportunities to dominate opposite someone

663
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: that commands a lot of attention like Ceedee Lamb.

664
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe this is this is the spot. It's all

665
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: in there. If he can get comfortable and settle in,

666
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: let the ability show. I mean, gosh, he's never played

667
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: with anybody like Ceedee Lamb, so that could be fun.

668
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: It could be fun. So the next guy, we'll go

669
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: to the New York Johnts and this is one that

670
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: was Look, he's been an enigma since the draft cave

671
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: on Tiboda coming out of Oregon. There's a lot of

672
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,239
Speaker 1: conversation in terms of how does he fit as an

673
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: elite past rushing prospect. You can see the body type,

674
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: the size would he hold up? Then you wondered the

675
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: motors sometimes ran hot or cold. You go to the Giants,

676
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: you see him little slow star pop double digit Sacks

677
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 1: comes back a little bit this year. Which one are

678
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: we getting they do decide to pick up the fifth

679
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: year option in those things. But for Kaveon Thibodeau, the

680
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: question is, man, if he was so great, why do

681
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: we go out and get Brian Burns? Why do we

682
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: double down and come back and get Abdul Carter to

683
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: surrounded with Dexter Lawrence. If Kvon Thibadeau can't give you

684
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: double digit sacks now with all of the attention for

685
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: usd to go elsewhere, what is he really going to

686
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: be in this league? And better? Yet, if you're the Giants,

687
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: what does he mean for us? When we talk about

688
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: taking someone into top five DJ, you know what that means.

689
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: When we say top five player, we talk about transcendent,

690
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: blue chip, perennial Pro Bowl, All Star accolades. Is Kaveon

691
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: Thibadau gonna give us that? Or is he just gonna

692
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: be a really good player that can play opposite someone

693
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: that's a dominant player.

694
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: I remember the two knocks on him coming out. Number

695
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: one did not play with his hair on fire. There

696
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: were some you know, there were some plays he definitely

697
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: took off.

698
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: And then number two.

699
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: You remember it was like a kind of what motivates

700
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: this guy? Is he loved ball kind of love what

701
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: ball gives you a high, high profile recruit coming out,

702
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of like, okay, what what what

703
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: makes this guy?

704
00:33:59,360 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: Tech?

705
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: Well, if he's motivated by money, he's gonna have a

706
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: good year because you know, you want to get that

707
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: next contract and now you're gonna have to fight for

708
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: playing time.

709
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: With this crowded the group as they have there with

710
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: the Giants.

711
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: So there's keeping your job and then there's the financial

712
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: aspect that's out there for him. So you know, not

713
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: to mention just wanting to play well, there should be

714
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: plenty incentive for him to have a good year.

715
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, look is now or never. In terms of

716
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: Kavon Tabueau carving out a role that makes him a

717
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: big money player in New York, and we understand in

718
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: New York the pressure is different, bright lights, big stage.

719
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: We'll see if you can live up to it. How

720
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: about this name, Tyreek Willin from the Seattle Seahawks. The

721
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: reason why I have him as a enigma that that

722
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: rookie year DJ. You remember we were all like, oh man,

723
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: we ripped up our porch. We're all wrong. He's supersized,

724
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: he's talented and nose and nose goes to the pro

725
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: bowler people are talking about, well maybe he's better than

726
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner on the Island and all of that stuff. Well,

727
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: then he didn't play at that level. It's kind of

728
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: been up and down, been a bumpy road, and you wonder.

729
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: We talked about the side the tools to talent, but

730
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: it hasn't been the consistency that you want to see.

731
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: So where is who are you? That's the biggest question.

732
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: If you're a front office guy looking at Tarrek Willam,

733
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: which one's going to show up on Sundays.

734
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: I'm someone who you know, the group that drafted him.

735
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: This is a new regime there, so maybe that was

736
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: just a little adjustment period and we'll see, we'll see

737
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: better form out of him.

738
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: He'll go last one that I talked about, but DJ

739
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: this is the one that I think everyone is trying

740
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: to do it and as offensive fans, cal Pits is

741
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: the eighth wonder of the world. Right when he was

742
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: coming out.

743
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: That report, I've got that thing so hidden that things

744
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: behind the lock and key, right, you need that night

745
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: vision to go find that where I had that report.

746
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: No, but like the fascination that we had over him

747
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: and what he could be man half man, half amazing,

748
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: half wide out, half tied in. He can do so

749
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: many different things. We can create all these mismatches. He

750
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: has a thousand yard season right out the gate, but

751
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: then he can't find the end zone. And so we've

752
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: never seen someone who's so productive but can't put points

753
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: on the board and you wanted. We've seen multiple coaches

754
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: come through there, multiple play calls trying to figure out

755
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: and we still are like, the talent says one thing,

756
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: but the performance and the production says something else. So

757
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: where do we fall? Is it the player or is

758
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: it the play caller? Why can't we unlock someone who

759
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: would deem to be such a special player given the tools,

760
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: but the tools haven't necessarily translated into the kind of

761
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: dominance that we would expect to see on the perimeter.

762
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: He's got ten touchdowns buck four years, had four last year,

763
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: which was the most that he's had. But after that

764
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: thousand yard season, he only plays ten games three hundred

765
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: and fifty six yards, then seventeen games that the last

766
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: two years and just over six hundred yards seven total touchdowns.

767
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: The good thing is, you know, when you look at him. Gosh,

768
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: he's still he's.

769
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: Twenty four years old. I mean, he's still young man,

770
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: twenty four years old. It's in there some I don't know.

771
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm all that confident you're gonna

772
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: find it. But manle I know, talk.

773
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: About a whiff. I won't call it a complete wip,

774
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: but I will say, given where he was drafted.

775
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: At that position, you don't take a tight end up

776
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: there unless you're expecting him to be man.

777
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: You're expecting man. You're expecting him to be game busses

778
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,959
Speaker 1: and he hasn't been that. And every year we hold

779
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: out hope and we talk about fantasy and what we

780
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: expect to see, we just haven't seen it. And we're

781
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: at that point where we have to make hard decisions.

782
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: How much are we willing to pay someone that can't

783
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: put the ball in the paint. DJ We can talk

784
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: about tight ends and some would say tight ends or

785
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: a diamond doesn't unless you can put him if you

786
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: listen to put the ball in the end zone. Ten

787
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: touchdowns over a four years, two and a half a year,

788
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: it's not enough for doubts.

789
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: The most the most frustrating thing for me, and I've

790
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: seen him play live in the NFL. Is that there's

791
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: the best way to describe it is there's guys who

792
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 2: are aggressive to the ball and there's guys who are

793
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: passive to the ball. He is passive to the ball.

794
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: Man.

795
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: He plays small, he doesn't go, he doesn't attack it.

796
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: He doesn't It's not a my ball mentality. And I

797
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: don't know, man, You tell me now, as someone who's

798
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: played the position you at least as a pass catcher,

799
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: do you do you.

800
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: Develop into that or you have it or you don't

801
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: have it. I don't think you can develop it. I

802
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: think you have it. I mean I think it's only

803
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: so much. That's not good news. Then, yeah, that's only

804
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: so much you can do when it comes to being

805
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: a go getter, like you kind of have it in

806
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: you or whatever, like you can push it up or level,

807
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: but you kind of are a dominant guy when it

808
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: comes to that personality. I want to get it. I'm

809
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: gonna get it all the time or not. And he

810
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: hasn't shown that. And if you're the Falcons, you're disappointed

811
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: given what you've committed and what you've poured into him

812
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: as a top five pick, he hasn't delivered, and it

813
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: just makes it bad because DJ, we've seen it. We

814
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: were talking about the tight end class this year and

815
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: there was so much tell the Warrant Coast and Loveland

816
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: and those guys tight ends are hard and they can

817
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: kind of come from everywhere. But what he was given,

818
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: the tools that he was blessed with, you would think

819
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: that he would be from day one, a dominant player

820
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: on the perimeter, a matchup nightmare, a headache for opposing

821
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: de coordinators. And he hasn't been. You know where the

822
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: pick was right after him? Who Jamar, Chase, Jeez, Louise.

823
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: Not great.

824
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: But again, I shoot, I missed on him, so I

825
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: can't say nothing. I missed on him.

826
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: So hopefully, hey, maybe he proves us. All right.

827
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: We've seen it in the past where somebody kind of

828
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: just pops. Maybe this is the Maybe this is the year,

829
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: and I'm confident in that. But man, I would like

830
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: to try and find that report and dust it off

831
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: and read it again. Hidden lock and key, Buddy, lock

832
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 2: and key.

833
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: Right now?

834
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna do it for us today, Buck,

835
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: anything else you want tod before we get out of here.

836
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: No, always fun, man, Always fun to have these discussions

837
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: part of the things that you want to do as

838
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: an evaluators. You always want to kind of do a

839
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: check in balance with yourself, look at what you think

840
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: about people, how they evaluate. Do you need to change

841
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: your how's the league changed? So being able to have

842
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: these discussions certainly help us kind of revisit some of

843
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: the old reports and some of the old opinions that

844
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: we had on players. Yeah, no, it is.

845
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: It's always healthy to go back and look at that stuff.

846
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 2: I'm just pulling up my notes here real quick before

847
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: we get out of here. Kyle Pitts he improved as

848
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 2: a blocker, inline wing, flexed out, He's dynamic, you run

849
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: pivot routes, got some Kelsey to him. He knows how

850
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: to set up defenders, big catch radius, juicy yack. But

851
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 2: there's nothing in there about attacking the ball and being aggressive,

852
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: and that's that's unfortunate because that's been a major issue there.

853
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: So we'll see maybe this is the year cal Pits

854
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: and some of these other enigmas get it, get it

855
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: going and figure it out. But check out that article

856
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: by the way NFL dot com. You can see Bucky's

857
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: work there. As we look at some of the truly

858
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: interesting players as we head into the twenty twenty five season.

859
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us. We'll see you next time,

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Speaker 1: right here on Movi. The Sticks