WEBVTT - Leading Off: Is Jackson Holliday Finally Breaking Out? (Ep. 1351) 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.360 What's going on? Everybody. Welcome into Fantasy pros. This is 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.600 leading off live the Fantasy Baseball Podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.560 Joel Rico, joined today by Casey Bubba, and we are 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:17.000 going to have some fun breaking down the headlines, a 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.400 couple of interesting news and notes to get through a 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:21.840 very lengthy injury report. Unfortunately, there's a lot to go 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:23.560 through over there. But Bubba, great to be with you, 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:25.800 my friend. I've gotten my Bubba and the Bloom T 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:28.639 shirt on to celebrate the occasion. How you doing today, Bud. 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.840 Good, I'm doing well. That's the that'sdog. That's that's the 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.560 first first rendition of the T shirts. 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It's been a bit of a down year, 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.280 but when you consider the hamdmate phone injury that he 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.760 had to start the year a one oa WRC plus 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:10.519 a seven forty three ops, it's not typical Lindor stuff, Bubba, 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.600 But it hasn't been a horrible season here at all 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.640 for him. What are your thoughts on Lindor's year as 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.679 a whole, What do you make of him going forward? 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.480 And do you think that there's a chance we might 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.480 have entered the decline phase a little bit here? 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.760 There's always a chance you're thirty two years old that 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:26.480 we've we've entered the decline. And I don't know if 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.440 it's a Mookie Betts level decline just yet, but we 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.440 could be seeing it. But I'm also going to take 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:35.440 that handmate injury with a grain of salt. With Francisco 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:37.959 Lindor and he's starting to wake up at the plate. 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.160 We know it takes guys a while, Like Vinnie P's 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.200 went back for a bit, haven't seen much out of 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.679 him power wise. Jerry m just returned. So we'll wait there, 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.800 but we'll talk about another player that handmate to start 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.040 the season. That's that's heating up all of a sudden. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:53.840 But yeah, you got Lindor just over. Like the last week, 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.400 he's hitting three seventy five with three Jackson eleven RBIs. 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.400 The play discipline's great skills are still there. I'm not 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:03.080 worried about. I know the Mets are trying to clear salary, 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.760 even though they have most money in the world, but 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.400 Lindor wouldn't be at the top of my list to move. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.399 But I think he still got a handful of really 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.560 good If they want to trade in to San Francisco 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.280 for Reallyadamis, I'm in. Like, if they're fed up with him, 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.440 I'll take him by the bay. But I'm not too worried. 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:20.960 Yeah, I haven't really been either. I think it'd be 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.359 pretty short sighted if the Mets do end up selling him, 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.680 or if you know, fantasy managers are saying this isn't 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.640 really lind'or anymore. I think that he's still an excellent hitter. 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.120 If you look below the surface, a lot of the 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.600 stats are still very good. The barrel rates actually better 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.800 than last year average exit velocity at ninety one six 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.440 is the best of his whole career. Same with the 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.160 forty nine percent heart hit rates. So I'm still on 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.080 team Lindor here. He feels like a guy where we 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.080 might get a little bit of a discount going into 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.520 next draft season on him, and I'll definitely be taking 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:51.600 it if we are actually finding that discount. You never know, 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.560 we had a couple months left, he could finish really hot. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.280 But I'm a big fan of Lindoor and I still 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:57.120 think that there are some. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:57.880 Good years left. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.360 Jhow cool stuff you on the Jumbo tron in Saint 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.160 Louis last night. That's very very cool. It never happened 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:08.280 to me, but definitely something that you know, it's pretty rare, 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.000 I guess, Boba. Have you ever been at a sporting 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.440 event and been interviewed by like an in game reporter 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.440 or been on the jumbo tron or anything like that. 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.480 Oh, I've been on the jumbo tron or so I've 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.240 never been interviewed. No one who dare put a mic 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.080 near me at a baseball game or even a basketball Yeah, 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.320 that's a bold like career ending, a potential situation. But 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.000 I've I've made the jumbo Tron just by cheering and 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.040 doing dumb things. Because yeah, I'm talking before the show. 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:33.800 We all had a life before we grew up. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.680 We've all done some some some dopey things. We won't 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.920 discuss them on stream here, but I do want to 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:43.520 discuss Jackson Holiday because you mentioned the handmade gait that 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:44.760 we had at the beginning of the year, and he 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.000 was one of the guys that was impacted by it. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.159 He's played fifty five games this year and he started 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.320 to really turn his season around a four hit game 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.680 yesterday against the Tigers. Over the last month, he's hitting 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.359 over three hundred and if you look at the season 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.920 as a whole, a one to thirteen WRC plus, he 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.240 has five homers, four stolen bases, a fifteen percent walk 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.080 rate is pretty impressive to seven forty six ops. But 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.599 there's also some things that I don't necessarily love. The 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.240 bat speed has trended down in each of his big 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.520 league seasons eighty nine, eighty eight point eight, and then 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:18.240 eighty seven point six this year, the contact rates are worse, 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.600 the swinging strike rates are worse. I'm not really sure 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.440 what to make a Jackson Holiday, but I'm starting to 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.080 feel like maybe he won't pan out as that top pick, 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.800 as the huge prospect father with the Hall of Fame pedigree. 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:31.080 I know he's not a Hall of Famer, but he 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.320 could have been a Hall of Famer. I just don't 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:37.120 know if Jackson Holiday has that skill set to actually 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.440 pay off as the top pick and be a huge 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.120 fantasy asset for years to come. What do you think 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.560 of Jackson Holiday, Bubba, Because I'm despite the fact that 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.440 he's looked pretty good over the last few weeks, I'm 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.120 not sure I'm all the way in on him, all 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.200 the way in as a bold statement, I'm very interested 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.760 still do twenty two years old, Like, Yeah, I'm not 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.760 going to be overly concerned in this situation. It's a 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.040 head ground ball rate nearly a sixty percent ground ball 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.400 like over the last month, So that's gonna take away 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:05.760 a lot of the pop we're talking about. 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.880 The back speed's interesting. Uh, maybe he's still kind of 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.320 recovering from said hey injury, or he's trying a different 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.559 approach to the plate. A lot of things to question. 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.760 It's good to see him like over the last three 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.040 weeks hitting four to ten and he's walking almost more 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.240 than he's striking out. So those are things we'd love 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.360 to see from a twenty two year old. Is he 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.440 gonna be the you know his dad? No, no, not 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.160 many aren't going to be that. But his dad might 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.359 have had some help along the way, So let's just 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.160 be real on that one. But I'm still just fine 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.680 with holiday and we'll see where he goes, and hopefully 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.240 it comes into discount next year and he could be 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:38.359 a nice middle infielder for you. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:40.920 Yeah, I wonder, you know, just the fact that the 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.599 WRC plus is better, the walk rates better. I wonder 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.080 what we're gonna see for a price on him. People 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.040 will probably factor in some growth you think, like one 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.440 fifty one seventy five range or does that even feel 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:53.039 a bit too rich? 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:55.800 That's probably about right, just because the name value the 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:57.839 former number one pick. But like, let me give you 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.880 a scenario this time, like years ago, we thought Bryce 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.360 Terrang was a batting average guy. Like I'm not saying 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.200 he's gonna be Bryce Terrang, but I'm my point being 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.880 as a twenty two year old, things can change and 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.080 change quickly at this area baseball. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.480 It's true. Yeah, Bryce Terrang was a guy that was 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.680 seen as a single digit homer guy. He was gonna 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.640 steal forty five fifty bases, He's gonna hit two sixty 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.920 two seventy and his power games have been incredible the 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.120 last couple of years. You know, the average exit velocities, 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.000 the bat speeds, everything kind of improved from him from 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.440 twenty four to twenty five, and I could definitely see 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.360 that happening with Jackson Holiday. The talent is there for him. 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.200 I think they're fairly similar. Stature five to eleven, two 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.560 hundred pounds for Holiday and Terrang is six feet one 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.360 hundred and ninety pounds, so fairly similar build. Holiday still 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.320 a couple of years younger, but that I'd sign up 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.000 for that in a heartbeat. If we could see him 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.679 become Pryce Terrang and give you eighteen homers, twenty five steals, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.360 hit two eighty five, I think we'd all be more 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.800 than happy with that from Jackson Holiday. But just wanted 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:58.960 to point out that he's had a really nice stretch 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.520 here and hopefully that does some things down the stretch 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.920 and heading into next year as well. I wanted to 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.960 talk about Jock Peterson. I honestly wanted to put him 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:08.720 at the top of the sheet here. But the couple things, 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.360 you know, superseded at lind Or at holiday. But Jock 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.400 Peterson a couple of home runs last night. He's having 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.960 another really good season, And I think we're getting to 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.480 the point where I wanted to discuss how underrated Jack 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.640 Peterson has been throughout his career. Twenty twenty five was 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.120 a horrible down season, but he's fully rebounded. He has 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.480 nineteen homers, forty RBI, he's hitting two fifty four, and 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.280 he has a one thirty eight WRC plus. This is 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.640 a guy Bubba for the last decade. Most of the 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.040 seasons that he's played, there have been, you know, some 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.080 injuries here and there. But when he's playing a full season, 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.720 you're getting twenty five to thirty homers, You're getting a 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.200 decent batting average, a two to forty career hitter, and 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.319 a one twenty career WRC plus. He doesn't really get 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.040 his flowers. I don't think though. Every year, aside from 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.320 last year, Jock Peterson's been a great fantasy asset but 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.040 doesn't really get talked about. Roster rates are low. I 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:54.760 don't really get it. 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.720 Yeah, it's the only thing I can think of because 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.200 I agree with you, and it's it's great. Is the 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.920 two things if we're talking, are you talking fantasy love 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:05.120 or baseball love? 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:06.520 Both? Really? Both? 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.880 Okay, because fantasy, like the biggest thing, as you know, 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:11.880 it's utol only is going to turn a lot of 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.760 people off. That's that's just the bummer of it. But 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.400 he still should be appreciated. The other thing is and 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.480 it's benefited him. It's made him a better fantasy player. 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.319 It's just some people can't get through it. He sits 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.839 first lefties, so there's times where he's not going to 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.800 play a lot, and that turns people off as well. 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:30.360 I don't care. I keep him on my bench when 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:31.520 they play right he's I put him in. When he 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:33.719 plays lefties, I put him down. It's a very simple game. 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:35.200 And I have nineteen home runs and he's hitting two 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:39.040 fifty four. So I'm just fine with that scenario, all 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.760 things considered. But I think that's it. And he's thirty four, 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:44.480 like he's older than I thought he was, to be 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.240 completely honest with you, so that's the only thing I 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.560 can see it being. And maybe maybe he doesn't get 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.080 to love that he deserves because he keeps changing teams 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.800 because it seems baseball doesn't care about him either, so 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:55.880 that's another factor. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.120 Yeah, that's those are both really fair points just looking 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.560 at it. His career kind of surprised me yesterday putting 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.960 the sheet together, like twenty fifteen and twenty three year 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.400 old Jock Peterson twenty six homers, one sixteen WRC plus, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.080 twenty four year old Jock Peterson twenty five homers, won, 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.240 twenty eight WRC plus, and a decade later, he's still 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.000 doing it. Really underrated career. He's at two hundred and 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:18.960 thirty seven homers. I wonder if he can push his 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.640 way to three hundred bombs for his career either way. 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.840 A really solid fantasy asset, not somebody that I would 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.360 want to leave on waiver wires. The guy that definitely 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.920 should be discussed more. CCD has a question here, Jock 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.840 wars Jock versus Ajewing, and we'll talk about him right 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.680 now because he's actually on the sheet. I'll skip ahead 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.240 just a little bit. Ajewing three for five with the 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.760 stolen base. Very impressive rookie season. He's now slashing two 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.640 seventy one, three forty three, four seventeen. That's seven homers 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.000 and twelve stolen bases as well in his sixty seven 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.760 games and two hundred and seventy played appearances, So over 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.400 the course of a whole season, he's pacing out to 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.439 about a fifteen homer twenty five stolen base year with 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.240 a good batting average as a rookie bubb But it's 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.480 been really impressive. What are your thoughts it's been of 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.600 viewing and would you prefer him or Jock Jams rest 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:04.040 of season. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.839 I'm very, very impressed with Ajuan twenty one years old. 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.520 We was talking about twenty two year old holiday. Aj 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.160 Ewing is twenty one, and he does like on fire. 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.560 I was when he came up with When Henry Bolte 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:17.120 came up with the AIDS, it was kind of like 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.080 that was the big fave week, and I took the 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.440 discount on Bolty thinking I'd be fine, and for a 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.480 while it seemed good. But Ewing has been amazing. I 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.920 think he's out shining because the power was never really 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.960 there in the miners. He had like a Nico Horner profile, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.360 and he's kind of shifted things to the big So 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.240 very impressed. Curious to see where it goes with him 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.080 at the big league level. And to CC's question, I 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.800 took Ewing just because you get five categories out of him, 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.000 and that's maybe goes back to the first question you 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.719 had is why do people not respect jockaef. Well, you're 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.240 getting power or like you're getting a lot of production, 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.680 but a guy like Ewing can just run past that. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.640 I think that's right. Yeah, I think Ewing considering you're 0:11:54.640 --> 0:12:00.080 getting the five categories. I mean, I could see go 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.080 with Jock if you're in a situation where you just 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:06.000 strictly need power. But by and large I think I 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.440 agree there that Aj Ewing is the guy you should 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.760 be going with. We got a couple of cool stream 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.960 streaks in the chat say that five times fast game 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:18.360 over five streams, J Chow twenty streams and BD seven 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.840 D stream streak. We really appreciate you guys, Thank you 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:23.880 so much for tuning in. If you guys haven't done 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.880 so already, subscribe to the YouTube channel, subscribe to the podcast, 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.920 like comment do all that great stuff. We really do 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.480 appreciate it. Here at Fantasy Pros, we're going to keep 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.840 it going and talk a little bit of negative and 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.880 that'll be George Kirby. Seven runs, including four homers. Jock 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.040 Peterson definitely played a part in that, as the Rangers 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.280 crushed him over his four innings. And it's been a 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.760 really down season for George Kirby. This is a miss 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.559 for me because I was investing in him. I thought 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.920 that this was going to be kind of Kirby reverting 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:51.559 back to what we'd seen over the first couple of 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.160 years of his career, or we're sitting here with a 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.000 three ninety eight era, And even more shocking than that 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.760 is the one thirty whip. That's something that's always been 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.520 there for George Kirby, the great command and the really 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.480 low whips. It's been a horrible season for him, Bubba. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.679 The strikeouts aren't there. He's just not been very good. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.120 And I wonder what we do with George Kirby the 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:12.800 first few years of his career, he looked like a 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.560 top ten, top fifteen starting pitcher. These last two years 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.120 doesn't even really look like a top fifty starting pitcher. 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:19.960 So what do we make of him going forward? 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.400 Yeah, well he might be on a different team pretty soon, 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.679 so we got that going for us. But I've been 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.560 kind of hesitant on George Kirby for multiple years, Like Coast. 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.880 Ryan Bloomfield loves George Kirby because he was a whip god, 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:36.640 which you've mentioned not the case this year, and he's 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.440 been very effective in that result. But I've just been 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.800 kind of worried because I was never like big on 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:42.679 his strikeouts and all those improved in the past, but 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:44.840 those are down to twenty one percent on the season. 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:48.240 You mentioned the contact he's given up. The walks are 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.319 a little higher. For George Kirby standards, five percent is 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.880 just fine, but I don't know, it's just a it's 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.839 a profile. It's extremely hittable right now. He's got eleven 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.520 point four percent swinging strike great, so he's it's good, 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.400 but it's not great. He's not he's not dominating, he's 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.800 pounding the zone. It's just not The fastball is not 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.600 effective at all right now, and he's either changed his 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.000 pitch micks up or figure something else out. But Kirby 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.040 is not fooling anybody right now. 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.040 He's hard to even really start. I think, I know 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.960 he went through like a good phase there for five 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.920 or six starts, but with the blow up potential, with 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.960 the fact that there's not a lot of strikeouts, the 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:26.840 fact that if he's not pitching at home, it worries 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.360 me even more like when he's on the road. Opponents 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.400 have a three to eleven batting average and a three 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.440 point fifty nine wOBA against George Kirby. He's getting crushed 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:35.960 on the road, and a lot of the time that 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.560 happens for Seattle pitchers. We've seen some drastics splits. Brian 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.800 Wu has some crazy splits this year. But I don't 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.720 want to start him on the road. I'll start him 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.320 at home in the right matchups right now, But this 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.560 is not at all what I was expecting for George Kirby. 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.880 I wonder what we're looking at for price on him 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:52.440 next year, bub, But let's say he finishes with a 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:56.120 four ERA and a one thirty WHIP. You know, I 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:57.920 don't even think he's a top one hundred pick next year. 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:00.560 No, No, he's not at all. He's probably do his 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.840 teammate Luis Castillo where he went this past year. The 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:07.440 problem is you mentioned those ratios. That is a whole 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:11.400 lot of starting pitchers this year. So that's that's the 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.960 only saving grace Maybe keeps Kirby in the discussion, because 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.160 you'll have at least one guy in every draft will 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.840 be remember the good days and hoping he can find 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.160 it again. And maybe he does, and they'll take a 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:23.160 shot on him. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:24.960 Yeah, I might be that guy. I might be the 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.040 guy who gets suckered into Kirby again next year. It 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.240 could happen. It could definitely happen. The guy I will 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.520 not be getting suckered into next year Kyle. Kyle Bradish, 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.480 My goodness, he gave it all back yesterday. Five runs 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.360 on ten hits, over four and two thirds, and that 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.200 did seem like he had kind of figured things out, 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.120 and he was actually one of the bets I made 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.800 yesterday was taken the Orioles under just partly because of 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.400 how good Kyle Bradish had been and Kyder Montero, they 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.040 both got blown up, Thank you baseball. But Kyle Bradish 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.360 three seventy four ERA A one point thirty six whip. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.960 His walk rate is still over ten percent, the strikeouts 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.920 are at twenty two point eight. He did look like 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:00.760 he had figured things out there for a while, Bubba, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.120 but the whole product here is still pretty poor. And 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.040 I wonder what we're gonna do with Bradish even rest 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.000 of season. Like if you're in a ten team league, 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.480 even a shallower twelve team league. Is he a drop? 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:13.720 Is he somebody that you're even trusting at this point. 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.680 I don't know if you're dropping him just yet, just 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.800 because it depends on you. You said twelve team like 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.280 man maybe in the twelve Actually, yeah, that's a possibility. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.640 It just stinks because prior to this last start, it 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:26.720 was six straight starts to three and runs or less 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.440 one and run less than four of them. So you 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.600 had something going for you there. The whip has not 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.240 helped you at all of late. He's not like racking 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.640 up the case as you would hope for Kyle Bradish. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.800 I think he's just wearing down personally, coming back from 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.400 the surgery last year, the innings pitch workers one hundred 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.480 and eighteen innings, it just seems like it's a different Brad. 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.840 It's just I wasn't in autumn to start the season 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.400 because I was worried about the workload, and it's coming 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.600 to for like an eight percent k to walk over 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.720 the last month. But I guess if to your original 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.880 question it's twelve percent on the season, that is not good. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.240 That is not good at all. When you're looking at 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.560 a pitcher, you want to trust for fantasy. So yeah, 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.479 I you know, a twelve team or shallow where you're 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.680 getting closer to that time where Kyle Bradish is in 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.720 the discussion to be dropped. I would agree with that. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.040 It's just baffling. Like the last couple of seasons abbreviated seasons, sure, 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.400 thirty nine innings, thirty two innings. He was unbelievably good 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.439 when he was out there to finish off last season. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.480 He had a thirty seven percent strikeout rate over those 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.399 thirty two innings, and he just hasn't been able to 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.959 carry it over. I wonder if there's something some kind 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.440 of underlying injury or something like that. But he might 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.600 just not be as good as we thought, or this 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.359 could just be a little bit of a longer recovery 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.200