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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Let's go Week eighteen of your National Football League season.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to a brand new year. I know Larry David said,

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Speaker 2: it's the third that you need to be done. I

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Speaker 2: say no, I say extended. When you see people, you

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Speaker 2: give him a hearty hand shake, a slap on the back,

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Speaker 2: and you say you made it. Now go do something

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Speaker 2: great with it. And that's what we're gonna do here

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Speaker 2: for the next two hours with you. Greg coasell under

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Speaker 2: the weather a little bit so he is out today.

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Speaker 2: Jared Smith joins me to have a fun rock in

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Speaker 2: two hours of chaos as we look at incentives and

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Speaker 2: how they change betting lines. A number of starters, by

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Speaker 2: my count, will be at sixty two different quarterbacks will

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Speaker 2: have started a game in this National Football League season. No,

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Speaker 2: don't worry, we won't play a big who's your backup game,

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Speaker 2: although I started to write one in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the night, dreary eyed and sleep deprived. As we get

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Speaker 2: ready for a brand new campaign. Welcome in Fox Football

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Speaker 2: Sunday here Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Jared.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully the new year's treating you well thus far. A

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Speaker 2: couple of games in the books full slate culminating in

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Speaker 2: the AFC North might be a WWE inspired loser leaves

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Speaker 2: Town match.

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Speaker 3: We don't know. But how we doing this fine morning?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing good. Yesterday's games I thought were unique. I

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Speaker 4: really think they should have put the Carolina Tampa game

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Speaker 4: in the same slot as New Orleans Atlanta. I think

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Speaker 4: they wanted to eke out another playoff game today because

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Speaker 4: really there's not as much drama and intrigue on the

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Speaker 4: Week eighteen carter as there typically is. I mean, we

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Speaker 4: really only have one high leverage game today. The rest

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Speaker 4: of the games are very much, you know, best against worst,

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Speaker 4: so to say, we.

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Speaker 1: Have a lot of double digit spreads. But you never know,

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Speaker 1: right Mike.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes Week eighteen, you think you're gonna get something that's

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Speaker 4: a little more, a little more bland, and we end

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Speaker 4: up getting the pecante the spicy menu.

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Speaker 1: So you just never know what this league well.

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Speaker 2: And that's been the beauty of the NFL all season long.

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Speaker 2: Jared to take it in the Macro conversation. As we

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Speaker 2: get to these final fourteen games, yes two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty eight of them in the books, as I start

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Speaker 2: to get a tier, it's kind of like towards the

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Speaker 2: end of you know, the last Harry Potter movie, and

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Speaker 2: they've got to bottle up the snape tears.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's me right now at the end of

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Speaker 3: a regular season.

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Speaker 2: I mean all the twists and turns and chaos, Like

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Speaker 2: I said, sixty two starting quarterbacks, teams that went on

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Speaker 2: runs and looked much better at times with their backup,

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Speaker 2: leading to a lot of eyebrow. Rais again certainly content

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Speaker 2: for us bloviators here on Fox Sports Radio and our

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Speaker 2: media brethren nationwide, Jared, but.

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Speaker 3: Nothing surprises me anymore.

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Speaker 2: That is I think where I come out of this

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Speaker 2: twenty five campaign of that the any given Sunday mantra

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Speaker 2: truly has risen up seemingly week after week. Sure, we

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Speaker 2: have these double digit spreads, and there's a bunch of

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Speaker 2: them today, but we go back to, all right, you're

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Speaker 2: playing for pride. People are putting stuff on tapes, Coaches

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Speaker 2: trying to put one last thing on tape, whether you're

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Speaker 2: a coordinator or a position coach or a head coach

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Speaker 2: trying to stave off elimination like you're on the latest

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Speaker 2: season a Survivor. I mean, all of those things come

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Speaker 2: into play, and for this week. Like you said, I

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Speaker 2: would have flopped Carolina Tampa because what do they always

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Speaker 2: want to do Anything that's affecting other playoff matchups will

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Speaker 2: be in that window. But you had the unique position

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Speaker 2: that in both sides of that coin, and Tyler Shuck

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Speaker 2: gets to a team that was expected to be one

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Speaker 2: of the bottom feeders is now one of the most

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Speaker 2: influential squads against Captain Kirk Cousins. Of all things we

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Speaker 2: want to talk about the lifetime and life cycle of

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Speaker 2: an NFL year, I think this is it.

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Speaker 3: Here's a guy vying to.

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Speaker 2: Make a late bid for Rookie of the Year title

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Speaker 2: in terms of Tyler Shuck, and on the other side,

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Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins trying to say I'm.

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Speaker 3: Not dead yet. I'm not dead yet. I've still got

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Speaker 3: some football in me.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a unique situation too, because you get Kirk,

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Speaker 4: who I think is playing for a job.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, maybe a deal, but yeah, so certain.

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Speaker 4: There's a chance he gets traded, there's a chance he

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Speaker 4: gets moved. So I think if if, if, if he

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Speaker 1: He's shown Okay, he's shown Okay, the.

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Speaker 4: Last couple of weeks, I don't know what, Like I

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Speaker 4: was thinking yesterday what other game they would have put

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Speaker 4: put Carolina Tampa in.

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Speaker 1: New Orleans at Land in the same window.

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Speaker 2: I think this is one where you take one of

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Speaker 2: the big brands and you just say people are going

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Speaker 2: to watch to hate watch the Cowboys or something like that.

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Speaker 1: That would have been a good one, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean, Like, even if it's not the

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Speaker 2: most exciting of games, like it's still Dallas and New York.

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Speaker 4: I thought it should have been the Arizona LA because

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Speaker 4: that it would have tied up the NFC West. And

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Speaker 4: I know because Seattle, right, because Seattle won, Now LA

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Speaker 4: can move up a spot, right, I think if that's

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Speaker 4: the way that the tie breakers work, So I thought

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Speaker 4: putting them in, like you should have put Arizona LA

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Speaker 4: and then you would have tied up the NFC West

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Speaker 4: Like that make the most sense to me. But I'm

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Speaker 4: not an NFL executive. So but in the end, I

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Speaker 4: think they wanted another playoff game.

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Speaker 3: Well, but that's the big thing, Jared.

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Speaker 2: When it gets down to it, we always and folks

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Speaker 2: get mad at me when I say it, and maybe

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Speaker 2: doubly mad when Jason Smith, my partner during the week,

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Speaker 2: says such things like how dare you the sanctity? It

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Speaker 2: is like, no, no, no, It's a TV show. It's

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Speaker 2: all a TV Yes. At the end of the day, yes,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people make a lot of money, but

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Speaker 2: in the end they are performers on a stage, real people.

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Speaker 2: We take it the highs, the lows and all of that.

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Speaker 2: We don't push that aside. We embrace the humanity of

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Speaker 2: it all. But in the end, it is a TV show.

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Speaker 2: And what are you trying to do? Steal as much

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Speaker 2: of the ratings and make your advertisers as happy as

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Speaker 2: you can as we have this ever changing landscape of

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Speaker 2: how things are streamed. And no, look, if you want

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Speaker 2: to do it at Swallowing Dome, at Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: at Jared Smith, that's if you want to complain about

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Speaker 2: how many services you had to log on to or

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Speaker 2: or pay for over the course of the football season,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, remember the day when

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Speaker 2: you got two games, maybe three games on a Sunday.

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Speaker 2: I grew up little Mikey Harmon in Chicago, and Mark's

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Speaker 2: behind the desk, our technical producer.

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Speaker 3: He's nod his head too. You got the Bears, and.

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Speaker 2: Then you got whoever the Cowboys or the forty nine

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Speaker 2: ers were playing in the other game. And then you

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Speaker 2: got some random AFC usually involving the Steelers or the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that was that was all you got.

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Speaker 1: And then you have the networks.

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Speaker 4: Right it was like ABC or AFC on CBS, NFC

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Speaker 4: on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Now it's like you don't even know.

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Speaker 3: But that's just it.

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Speaker 2: Right now, we got the amalgam, the merging of and

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Speaker 2: blending of everything back together. And you know, as Kevin Durant,

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Speaker 2: the great philosopher of our time, once said, if you

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Speaker 2: don't like it, don't watch, and.

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Speaker 3: I feel for it. Everybody wants to watch their two

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Speaker 2: Well, with that comes some hard choices in the economic

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Speaker 2: it's not easy, it's not cheap, and trying to retrain

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Speaker 2: like look at the number of people that already have

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Speaker 2: Netflix or Amazon subscriptions in their households. Most folks have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we all watch Stranger Things the other day, so

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Speaker 3: I went to the theater.

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Speaker 1: You went to the theater watching that. See. Isn't that funny?

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Speaker 1: Isn't that funny that a company that used.

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Speaker 4: To sell you DVDs now creates a show that gets

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Speaker 4: you to a theater?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Very ironic. I wait, think about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I went for the Fall, Like I look, there's

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Speaker 2: a disabled red box Kiosk over by where my seven

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Speaker 3: But yeah, the Stranger Things phenomenon was interesting.

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Speaker 5: I like it.

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Speaker 1: I loved it. People gave me a lot of crap

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Speaker 2: So here you go nerd out moment on a week eighteen.

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Speaker 2: As you can tell, we got a bunch of games

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Speaker 2: that are like some of your honey do list from

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Speaker 2: be careful out there. So we'll get back to the

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Speaker 2: I thought the and those who haven't seen it you

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Speaker 1: I can see it.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you to get into it.

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Speaker 2: Like we went to the theater for the idea of

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Speaker 2: all right, you had this long road, but I want

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Speaker 2: to see the fans in action, like I want to

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Speaker 2: experience the good, the bad, the ugly. Right, if people

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Speaker 2: gonna be raucous and cheering along. I went, say Anaconda.

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Speaker 2: We had a raucous audience for that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It was late at night, so that was a whole

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Speaker 2: other thing. But like stranger things, it was late at night, right,

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Speaker 2: people are redded up. Maybe they were watching and doing

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Speaker 2: supposed to be. They gave you, They gave you early,

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Speaker 2: and if you stumbled upon it, to make sure nobody

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Speaker 2: got it spoiled by, you know, randomly looking for a

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Speaker 3: Hi and look for me.

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Speaker 4: There.

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Speaker 2: There was just one one thing. We got to the

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Speaker 2: endgame of fighting a little too early, and I like

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Speaker 2: the where are they nows?

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Speaker 3: Or whatever? That was a long ware are they now?

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Speaker 2: The music selections got me excited, you know, taking me

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Speaker 2: and again we'll keep that if you haven't seen it yet,

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Speaker 2: it's surprising because licensing has always been an issue in

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Speaker 2: that regard, so that was exciting. And my favorite band

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Speaker 2: so shout out Afghan Weeks. But all of that to

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Speaker 4: spin that money forward into some workout bonus in the

442
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Speaker 4: offseason or whatever deal that they make, and they give

443
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Speaker 4: them they give him that money, and then the other

444
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,159
Speaker 4: side of the coin is some owners are really frugal

445
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,479
Speaker 4: and they don't want their person to get that. So

446
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 4: there's and also in an important game like San Francisco

447
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 4: Seattle last night, they're not thinking about Kendrick Bourne's receiving

448
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 4: yards incentive. They're not any game to get in the

449
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,639
Speaker 4: one seed. Yeah, so there's a lot of nuance to

450
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 4: these contract incentive props.

451
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:39,880
Speaker 1: It's not always cutting dry.

452
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

453
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 2: The fact that he's not more involved in the passing

454
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 2: game when you're down purecell and Kittle's compromised to a degree.

455
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 2: Five catches twenty nine yards for him, just four for

456
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 2: thirty five for Jennings. That you couldn't get to one

457
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 2: of your secondary options for those nine yards speaks well

458
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 2: of what Seattle's defense was cooking over the course of

459
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Speaker 2: the night. And certainly they came up big. The other

460
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 2: the side, obviously from the betting angle, is that remember

461
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: all of those are going to be cooked into the books.

462
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 3: Over unders. Yeah, so they know exactly what somebody needs.

463
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 1: You're not fooling anyone anymore with this stuff.

464
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 4: Five years ago, remember when Gronk had the touchdown to

465
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 4: Brady and it was on like, hey, dob I need one.

466
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 1: More couch, I need one more couch.

467
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 4: Like it wasn't fully baked into the numbers then, because

468
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 4: there weren't people like me, like a million of us

469
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 4: all putting this information out there. I'm literally looking at

470
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 4: an account right now on X you know, one of

471
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 4: the gambling accounts who puts the entire list on a

472
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 4: spreadsheet and there's a million people that have viewed it. Like,

473
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 4: you're not fooling anyone with this stuff. It's all baked

474
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 4: into the market. It's all out there, and if the

475
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 4: information is out there, there's no value in betting it.

476
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 3: That's just it, right.

477
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 2: You might have gotten an extra yard or two early

478
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 2: in the week at this point that is gone, long gone,

479
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 2: unless we get a late rash of illnesses like the

480
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 2: giants or something like that, or so a lot of them.

481
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 4: Are like sacks and stuff that like you can't really control, No,

482
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 4: it can't control when someone gets a sack.

483
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you gonna lay down for me? Please help

484
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 3: me out here?

485
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 4: No?

486
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: God, all right, let's lea This is my favorite in

487
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: the post game, right because we always talk about shadowing

488
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 2: and how do you try to take out a number

489
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 2: one wide receiver? Js In on the night had himself

490
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 2: a solid game, not spectacular, just six for eighty four,

491
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 2: but move those chains and get it done. But he

492
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 2: was asked about the whole shadowing effect as.

493
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Speaker 3: A number one.

494
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Speaker 6: Definitely definitely heard it. You know, it's it's hard to

495
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 6: respond back to all my fans. You know, I knew

496
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 6: that we were going to see him today and take

497
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Speaker 6: care of businessy len.

498
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 2: Noor talking all week of oh I got him, I'm

499
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 2: gonna take him out. And obviously that's been addressed really

500
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 2: well by some coaches like, yes, you'd like to in theory,

501
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 2: but what do you do You then give up and

502
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 2: compromise the rest of your defense. If you just have

503
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 2: someone that's tracking that way, there's a lot of rotations

504
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 2: and things that then have to happen for it defense

505
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 2: to roll. It through, all right, let's roll back to

506
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: that other game real quick, Carolina Tampa Bay. It's been

507
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,719
Speaker 2: an uneven run. Obviously, Baker Mayfield had those great performances

508
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: early on, a lot of fourth quarter heroics to match

509
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: some of what we've seen from Bo Nix and Drake

510
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: may and Caleb Williams.

511
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 3: Throughout the year.

512
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: But even as they got healthy, it's been an inconsistent run.

513
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: A lot of questions of officiating and plays blown dead

514
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: backward pass that was said, no, I was thrown out

515
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: a bound's like no, no, no, the dude picked it

516
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: up fifteen yards from the sideline. Okay, bad decision, but

517
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: no restitution, no coming together and you know, doing the

518
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: down over and the other options that they had, like nope,

519
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 2: they lost the seven yard somehow doesn't make sense. An

520
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: offensive PI against McMillan, which is by letter of the law,

521
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: offensive PI, but one that I don't know that you

522
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: can find an incidence for me, Jared that it's been called.

523
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: But in the end, you got to take care of business.

524
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: You had the inane play being put up against Cam

525
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: Newton High Cam. You get back in the news again

526
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: because people put your clown suit back on for not

527
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: diving on a ball in a Super Bowl when Bryce

528
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: Young had the handoff to Dowdell, who got to his bonuses. Boy,

529
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 2: he barely got to his bonuses. Didn't get his touchdown,

530
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: but he got his yardage bonus. But what looked to

531
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: be an aborted flee flicker when he slips in the

532
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: rain and Bryce Young wants no part of diving back

533
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: in for that football now when he's put himself in

534
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 2: harm's way. Yeah, but you're calling that when you're in

535
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: a one possession game, you're moving the football, and you

536
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: call that on a rainy, slippery Yeah, let's have our

537
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: running back who normally doesn't handle the ball in this capacity,

538
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: let's try that when the defense has owned us at

539
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. Vita Vea might have made an

540
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: extra case for his Hall of Fame induction with what

541
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 2: he did to that run game yesterday. And they make

542
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: that call lot for Dave Canalis. That just leave me

543
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: scratching my head.

544
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, weird spot, weird spot for that call. I thought

545
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: Carolina played well enough to win. You mentioned it. They

546
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: had a bad whistle, which.

547
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Speaker 4: Probably is you know, one of the reasons why they

548
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 4: lost that That weird flea flicker play was probably the

549
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 4: other main reason. But I think in general, Tampa Bay

550
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 4: still is hanging around, right, Like, I think they're They're

551
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 4: not a dangerous team in the playoffs. I think both

552
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 4: of these teams are going to be a first run

553
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 4: edgeit to San Francisco or the Rams. If it's Rams Panthers,

554
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 4: I mean, the Rams are gonna want to absolutely boat

555
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: race Carolina for upsetting.

556
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Speaker 1: Them earlier this year.

557
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 4: Is a double digit underdog, So I think that's a

558
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 4: bad matchup for Carolina. If it's If it's Panthers Niners,

559
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 4: we've seen that very recently too, that also feels like

560
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 4: a bad matchup for Carolina. I just don't think their

561
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 4: defense is going to be as equipped as Seattle's defense was.

562
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 4: So either way, whoever wins Atlanta New Orleans today, Like,

563
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Speaker 4: I don't think it really matters. I think both of

564
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: these teams, Tampa Bay Carolina are both kind of you know,

565
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 4: fish food for the for that NFC West team in

566
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Speaker 4: the first round.

567
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Speaker 1: I think the books and the NFL probably want Tampa.

568
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: I think that makes more in Like, I don't want

569
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 4: to be a conspiracy theorist, but it was a really

570
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 4: bad whistle for Carolina yesterday and Tampa Bay is a

571
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 4: much better draw with Baker and just what the Bucks

572
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 4: have been over the last decade.

573
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Speaker 2: Yeah, offensive explosion is there, which as opposed to Carolina

574
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: where okay, you might get a big breakoff run. And

575
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: McMillan's been fantastic, take nothing away from him. He's one

576
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: of your favorites for the offensive Rookie of the Year,

577
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: him and Chuck leading the way right now. But you know,

578
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: and we'll get to that game here in just a moment,

579
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: but because that helps decide the other side of it.

580
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: But it's just one of those for Carolina. It's it's

581
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: been a great year overall and and over performed and expectations.

582
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: Bryce Young where he at in terms of his development

583
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Speaker 2: of what you've seen this year.

584
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's where I expect him to be.

585
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 4: I think I want to say he's kind of middle

586
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 4: of the road. And let me check my EPA numbers again.

587
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 4: So that's usually the metric that I use EPA per

588
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 4: drop back as kind of the measuring stick for these quarterbacks.

589
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 4: Because the reason I like EPA is because it takes

590
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 4: all of the things into account and gives you a

591
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 4: grade based off of that. Whereas yards can be very misleading,

592
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 4: so can success rate. Right, Like the difference between success

593
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 4: and I know we use these advanced metrics a lot,

594
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 4: but they're very helpful. The difference between success rate and EPA.

595
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 4: It brings me back to a baseball reference. Like in baseball,

596
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 4: a walk and a home run are both considered successful,

597
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 4: but you can't compare the two in terms of the

598
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: amount that it adds to the game, whereas EPA would

599
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 4: take that into account and wait a home run higher

600
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Speaker 4: than a walk. But in success terms, they're both successful,

601
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 4: so they both get log as a successful play. Similar

602
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 4: in the NFL, five yard run on first down is

603
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 4: a successful play, so is a.

604
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: Fifty yard throw.

605
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 4: They're both logged as a success, whereas EPA waits it differently.

606
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: It looks like Bryce Young twenty eighth out of thirty

607
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 4: two qualifiers and EPA per dropback this year. So he's

608
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 4: taken fewer sacks, he's gotten the ball out quicker, his

609
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 4: time to throw rate is quicker, but it's still.

610
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: It's not high level quarterbacking.

611
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of growth, like there's for example,

612
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 4: Tua Mariota Pennix Cousins, Perssett, Shuck Dart. These are all

613
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 4: guys that have a higher EPA per dropback than Bryce

614
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 4: Sung this year.

615
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some of it becomes down distance and

616
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: game situation, right, you take it, And this takes some

617
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: of the noise away from that, right because when we

618
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: look at yardage, right, you can pile up a lot

619
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Speaker 2: of yardage in a four yea fourth quarter of garbage

620
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: time and things of that nature. Again, they all count

621
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: in the larger scheme the same, especially for those fantasy

622
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: nerds with like me out there. But they're not all

623
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: created equally. And all you're looking for right now is

624
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: growth to say, okay, can this be our guy? And

625
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: I think you get one more receiver. Coker solid but

626
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: not consistent. Tight end position still needs some work. You

627
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: got a great backfield tandem, so you can build off

628
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: of that. So going into year three, there's at least

629
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: optimism that you're still pushing ahead. Right then we'll get

630
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 2: to Caleb and everything going on Bear's Land and with Detroit,

631
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: because a milestone is certainly within the offing for him.

632
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: But so much to say that, you know, at least

633
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: for Carolina, they're viable, functional, little more on the defensive

634
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: side as well, and you got yourself. I mean, it

635
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: was a winnable game. That's all you can ask for

636
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: is to be in the mix late in December and

637
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: into early January.

638
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna make the playoffs anyways, Mike, I

639
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 4: think Atlanta's gonna win today.

640
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about that momentarily.

641
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649
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: Let's go to that in New Orleans and Atlanta game

650
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: as we look at it again. We talked about it

651
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: at the opening Shuck versus Cousins, the two ends of

652
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: the continued Cousins. The big thing of whether he should

653
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: be the Atlanta starter as Michael Pennox returns right because

654
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: we've seen multiple injuries. That acl three times that he's

655
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: been felled with big leg injuries. Going back to his

656
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: collegiate career. Interestingly enough, at Indiana. That was the last

657
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: time we were talking about Indiana on a big scale

658
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Speaker 2: was when Michael Penix was winging it around there. But

659
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Speaker 2: we look at Kirk Cousins. The thing that always holds

660
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: it back is all right, someone's got to do something

661
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: with the money, right. That's why he wasn't presumably wasn't

662
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: dealt this offseason was Arthur Blanks that I'm not eating money.

663
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: And in the end they needed Captain Kirk and they

664
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: needed him in a big way. Drake London misses a

665
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: couple of games. B Jon Robson. He's at two thousand,

666
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: two hundred what fifty five total yards on three hundred

667
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: and forty eight touches. He needs two hundred and fifty

668
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: five yards to set the all time scrimmage record. Do

669
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Speaker 2: you know who the two ahead of him are for

670
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Speaker 2: a single season.

671
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: All time scrimmage yards record.

672
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Speaker 3: For one single season.

673
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Speaker 1: I mean, I want to say Terrell Davis, but I'm

674
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: probably wrong.

675
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: Now he's he's in the top ten, but doesn't he's

676
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: not on the metal stand. Metal stand is CJ two

677
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: K in two thousand and nine two five hundred and

678
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: nine yards and then going all the way back to

679
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five Marshall Falk.

680
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: Nine, that should have been a guess.

681
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 4: I'm surprised in the ninety nine season when the greatest

682
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 4: show on turf, he didn't.

683
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: He didn't crack that. He probably was in the top

684
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 1: ten that year.

685
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely a big as well for Shuck. He

686
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: goes no O Lave who had one hundred catches on

687
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: the year, blood cloud issue, wish him well. You got

688
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: estimate is now your leading rusher, and you got Kevin Austin,

689
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: the second year man out of Notre Dame, becomes your

690
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: number one option alongside Juwan Johnson, who's got seventy four

691
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: catches eight hundred twenty nine yards or eight hundred and

692
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: twenty eight yards on the year. You look at the

693
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 2: rest of their receiving corps guys either on the ir

694
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: or no longer with the team.

695
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: Wow, that's it.

696
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Austin's barely had a cup of coffee. Yeah, Shuck's

697
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: been fantastic, right.

698
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 4: I think if the season was twenty weeks, I think

699
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 4: New Orleans might win the division. I think there's certainly

700
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 4: a vibe to me that says they're the best team

701
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 4: in the division right now. But Noah lave hurts, I

702
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 4: think that is. I think that's a big, a big

703
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 4: knock against their chances of winning today. Also, weirdly, Atlanta,

704
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 4: I've been sitting on over seven and a half wins

705
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Speaker 4: since July.

706
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: They can win their eighth today.

707
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: How about that? Certainly a thing you long thought dead?

708
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 4: Oh well, the Green Bay over I thought was a

709
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 4: winner all year at nine and a half, and that's

710
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 4: gonna end up being a loser because they lost to

711
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 4: Cleveland and Carolina, and they pushed against Dallas and they

712
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: couldn't beat Chicago despite having a huge Like, that's a collapse.

713
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 4: Whereas the Atlanta over seven and a half, that was

714
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: toilet paper. I mean I was using that for Jackpot's betting,

715
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 4: you know, to put it in the dog, you know,

716
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 4: the dog crate for the last couple of months.

717
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: But Atlanta's back from the dead.

718
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: All four teams in the NFC South, barring Atlanta winning

719
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 4: by fifty today or New Orleans winning by seventy five,

720
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: we'll finish with a negative point differential again this division.

721
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 4: And I know the North, the AFC North will will

722
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 4: get a lot of crap too, because both of those

723
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: teams are right around the five hundred mark. Maybe Pittsburgh

724
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: Wednesday they get to ten. But Adar it'll be a

725
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 4: nine win team winning the North.

726
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: In the AFC.

727
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 4: I think the NFC South, it's every year it just

728
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: seems like that we can't get an elite team out

729
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: of this division.

730
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: And I don't know what it is.

731
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 4: It's just mediocrity is just the the word of the

732
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 4: of the of the year of the millennium for the NFC.

733
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: The old rule of thumb.

734
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: I don't need to outrun everybody else. I just need

735
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: to outrun you being chased by a bobcat, a bear,

736
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: a mountain lion.

737
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm rooking for today.

738
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Kirk today. I am the guy. I

739
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: want to hurd Kirk succeed. He's such a good guy.

740
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: See there you have it, the good guy.

741
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 4: I want to see him win and go get a

742
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 4: job somewhere else. I don't know if it's he's going

743
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 4: to be any good, but like it just seems like

744
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 4: he's one of those quarterbacks that I think you could

745
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: do worse.

746
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: Like I'm watching a lot of the quarterback play in

747
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: the NFL.

748
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 4: And I know he's not very mobile, but you could

749
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: absolutely do worse in today's NFL.

750
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it all comes back to contract eating and who's

751
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: willing to take on what's left of it?

752
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 4: Uh.

753
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: Two last points.

754
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: One, I want Shuck to win for the other reason

755
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: because everybody told him he's too old and what are

756
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: they doing whatever? And all he's done is winging around. Gee,

757
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: those extra college starts sometimes work out pretty well for

758
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: a guy, don't they.

759
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 4: He's gonna be the guy going far like that's it's

760
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 4: honestly him and Kellen Moore a matchmate and heaven, Yeah,

761
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 4: I think that's gonna be a very exciting and they've

762
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 4: got some really nice pieces on defense too. I'll be honest,

763
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 4: I think the Saints to win the NFC South next

764
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 4: year is already I've already made that bet in my mind.

765
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 2: A couple of big moves that they'll have to consider

766
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: because they've got a couple of aging guys on both

767
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: sides of the ball. But one last point, I want

768
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: to get out in front of it because this begins

769
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: the forty eight hours seventy two hours week where we

770
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: complain about one of these teams getting in at eight

771
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: to nine or nine eight shut up, Okay, until they

772
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: get rid of the divisions. This is gonna happen. Okay,

773
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: just replay a best of for when you complained about

774
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: it three years ago. It's Sunday morning. I wanted to

775
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: keep the language clean, Okay, so I don't want to

776
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: hear it. Somebody gets screwed too bad. Go win a

777
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: playoff game on the road. Sometimes the division rises up

778
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: to get you c AFC West, CEE, NFC West.

779
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 3: Other times beat the rams like a month ago. That's it.

780
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: There you go.

781
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: He made my argument even better. He's Jared Smith. I'm

782
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,319
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783
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:08,640
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784
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,360
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785
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: Will you be able to do it? We'll talk about

786
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:14,399
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787
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793
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795
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,040
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796
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797
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799
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801
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802
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803
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804
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805
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: today at Jared Smith Betts where you find Jared find

806
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: me over at Swollen Dome. Isaac Lohenkron getting into the

807
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 2: news studio, he's already got a ream of paper printing

808
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: with all of the game time decisions and chaos and incentives.

809
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 2: I think he's just gonna read it like Robert Fickers

810
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: used to sit behind the bench and read from a

811
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: book when he wanted to enrage NBA players back in

812
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: the day. But one of the big games two hundred

813
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: and seventy yards, Jared, that's all that separates Caleb Williams

814
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: from becoming the first four thousand yard passer in Bear's history,

815
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: and we can finally put that narrative to rest once

816
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: and for all, because he's certainly heard about it. You'll

817
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: be the chosen one three and a half point favorites

818
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: at home against the Lions team drawing dead except for

819
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: the fact that, well they have a liking problem with

820
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: each other. Fifty and a half is the total as

821
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: we sit this morning.

822
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like a Chicago I don't want to

823
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 4: say hammer spot, but there's a lot of narrative and

824
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 4: motivation angles I think for Chicago outside of of course,

825
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 4: win and you get the two seed, which does matter

826
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 4: to me a little bit, even though Philly's resting starters.

827
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 4: Sure they could still beat the Commanders anyway, I hope

828
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 4: they don't because I've got an Eagles under eleven and

829
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: a half wins ticket, which is neither here nor there.

830
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: McKee is your nemesis today, Yeah, Johnson, Danner, McKee, Right,

831
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 2: what come on?

832
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: Wrong?

833
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: Let's go but for the Bears.

834
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: Right, So, first of all, you get the Ben Johnson angle,

835
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 4: and I'm sure Ben Johnson would love nothing more than

836
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 4: to beat his former team.

837
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: But then you also get the fact that when these

838
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: teams played back.

839
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 4: In September, it was a very one sided game, arguably

840
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: the most one sided, one of the most one sided

841
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: games of the year. Correct, And so I think you

842
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 4: know Turnabout's fair play, and I'm sure the Bears remember

843
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 4: that that outing.

844
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: So I the market really disrespects Chicago week after week.

845
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,479
Speaker 1: It's really wild.

846
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 4: Like the Bears are a division winner facing a Lions

847
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 4: team that has been very down this year, and you

848
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: give Chicago at least a point and a half for

849
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 4: being at home and the numbers three. So what they're

850
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 4: telling you is on a neutral field, this game would

851
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 4: be almost to pick them. And I just don't buy that.

852
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 4: I think Chicago, even though they've been winning by this

853
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: game of their teeth, they are still winning games, and

854
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 4: I think you have to give them credit for that.

855
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 4: I would lay three with Chicago. I've seen some three

856
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 4: and a half's out there. I still think the Bears

857
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: are the side.

858
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: They came back once again frantic effort at San Francisco

859
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: and nearly took that game. The ifs and butts, the

860
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: all twenty two's, We've talked about it, you and I

861
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 2: on our show in the evening, Jason Smith with me

862
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: when you've sat in talking about Caleb and some of

863
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: those misses and opportunities and growing moments. But like we

864
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: talk about with Bryce Young, this is year one of

865
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: a new campaign and a guy that's been rebuilt like

866
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: the six million dollar man from the ground back up.

867
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: So still expecting better days ahead, but this appears to

868
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 2: be a massive smash spot. Like you said, you know,

869
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: the revenge for Detroit more or less running it up

870
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: all those weeks ago. Remember they wanted Ben Johnson fired

871
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: after that game in Chicago after two games.

872
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've talked about it too. I think Ben is

873
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 4: very comfortable with the style that Caleb plays, which is

874
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 4: high risk, high reward.

875
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 5: Right.

876
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 4: He makes some of the easy throws look hard, but

877
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 4: then he makes the heart throws look easy. And based

878
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 4: off of Ben Johnson's vibe, he wants explosives. That's what

879
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 4: wins in the NFL. So he's very comfortable with that exchange.

880
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: In the end, give me that physicality that he has

881
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: that very few can match. I'll teach him up on

882
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: the rest. I can't teach natural athletic ability. He's Jared Smith,

883
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: I'm Mike Carmen. It's Fox Football. Sunday here Fox Sports

884
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: Radio as we continue the loser Leaves Town match in

885
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: the North. Greetings, welcome back in hour two of the

886
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: program on a beautiful week eighteen of your National Football

887
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: League season. Thanks for being with us for the journey

888
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: as we get ready for the final regular season day

889
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: of the National Football League. Our long, arduous campaign, final

890
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 2: fourteen games too already in the books. And let's face it,

891
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: as Jared Smith in with me today and I talked

892
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: about a little bit in the first hour, reset it here.

893
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: You got personal incentives, teams maybe playing their way towards

894
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: draft seeding and operation shut down. Yeah, anything you can do,

895
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: I can do better. Like the Giants, here's THEO Johnson

896
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: can't disclose what's wrong with him, but there he is

897
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: court side at a Knicks game. But he's out with

898
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: an illness and that's disclosed forty eight hours before game time.

899
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: And just go on down the line. Wandale Robinson ninety

900
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: two catches. I was really hoping for another eight to

901
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: get to an even one hundred. He'll miss that game

902
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: against Dallas later on today, so you know, kind of

903
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: the musical chairs effect as we've got here, Jared. But

904
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: we do have a couple of big stakes still left

905
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: on the board as we played the chess match to

906
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: the number one seed in the AFC. We'll do that

907
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: in about twenty minutes. I picked up a snazzy Doovaal

908
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: shirt during my travels to clear Water in Tampa. I

909
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 2: don't know why there were a bunch of Jacksonville shirts

910
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: on that rack, but I loved it, and for five

911
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 2: dollars it became mine. But we've got the AFC North

912
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: and a lot swirling about as we've got the Ravens

913
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: and Steelers. That'll cap the season this evening. You'll always

914
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: find that one with so much drama, so many storylines.

915
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: You've got the Ravens a three and a half point favorite,

916
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: forty and a half the total, the coaches in the crossfire,

917
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 2: and of course Lamar Jackson. And we've got a clip

918
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: of Lamar Jackson to set this up here. Jared, going

919
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: back a couple of days, he had to address a

920
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: scathing column in the Baltimore Sun that talked about well.

921
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: He said it was lazy.

922
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: I heard I'm trying a game like one to two

923
00:42:59,160 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: in the morning.

924
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 3: I won't even do that on summer, so I don't

925
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 3: know where I come from either.

926
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know, man, I don't know.

927
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: I don't know where I come from.

928
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 4: Latin what they said that you owned? How do you

929
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 4: get fonded?

930
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: Do you think Harbaugh? Let you follow that's in the front, man,

931
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 3: I don't know, man.

932
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 5: It is what it is.

933
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 3: Like I said, you just know it.

934
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: That's one of those where you start having fun with

935
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: who's the source who's telling you that he's falling asleep

936
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: in meetings and causing issues, uh and creating chaos because

937
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: uh well that just doesn't get ap peer out of

938
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 2: thin air there, Jared. But Lamar Jackson, with a lot

939
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: to play for today with his reputation, got to being

940
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: sullied one for not being on the field a bunch

941
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: here down the stretch. They're winning with Snoop Huntley in

942
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: different ways to get back in the mix, but now

943
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: in a winner take all all eyes on number eight.

944
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me just make this clear for anyone who

945
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 4: thinks that this is the case, Tyler Huntley is not

946
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 4: an upgrade over Lamar Jackson in no universe that.

947
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: We live in.

948
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 4: I just saw Elon Musk a tweet that we've entered

949
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 4: the singularity for those nerds out there. So maybe there's

950
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 4: some other alternate to mention where this is true. But

951
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 4: in this reality that I'm currently living in, Lamar Jackson,

952
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: a healthy Lamar Jackson is a million times better than

953
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 4: Tyler Huntley. I would say, if you want me to

954
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 4: give you an exact number on the points, bread, be

955
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 4: about a touchdown, be about a touchdown. Now, Lamar Jackson's

956
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 4: not one hundred percent, and that is where the differentiator

957
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: comes in.

958
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: How healthy is he? I don't know. I can't answer

959
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: that question.

960
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 4: Only Lamar and the training staff and everyone behind the

961
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 4: scenes in Baltimore can, and that information will not be

962
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: privy to us, because if it's privy to us, then

963
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 4: the Steelers will know it, and if the Steelers know

964
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 4: it well, then they can plan for it. So we

965
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 4: will not know how healthy Lamar is until the game

966
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 4: starts tonight. If the game starts tonight and Lamar looks spry,

967
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 4: and he looks like he's he got a little juice

968
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 4: to his legs and he's running around doing his thing, well,

969
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 4: then I think Baltimore is very much on the front

970
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 4: foot in this game. Now, for Pittsburgh, it's tough because

971
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 4: they're without their main deep threat, and I think that

972
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 4: makes their offense very one dimensional.

973
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: And Aaron Rodgers doesn't have the ability.

974
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 4: Even a healthy or you know, a fifty percent healthy

975
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: Lamar has more mobility than an Aaron Rodgers does. So

976
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 4: the Steelers offense, where Lamar can do things out of

977
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 4: spot in eighty Aaron has to be a little bit

978
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 4: more structured with the offense, and it's a little bit

979
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 4: less explosive, a lot less explosive without DK metcalf. So

980
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 4: I think there's this element of two questions in this game.

981
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 4: A how healthy is Lamar and how much are you're

982
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 4: gonna get from his legs? Because Derek Henry's been fantastic

983
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 4: and the Steelers have that times really struggle to stop

984
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 4: the run this year. And then the second question in

985
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 4: this game is what can the Steelers offense do without

986
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 4: their main weapon and also with t J.

987
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: Watt coming back, can that part.

988
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 4: Of the ball get a little bit like we haven't

989
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 4: seen the Steelers' best defensive games this year. This has

990
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 4: not been their best defensive year. I don't know why,

991
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 4: but it just hasn't been a great defensive year for them.

992
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 4: Can they raise the banner right? Can they go back

993
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 4: to the steel curtain for one night and keep Lamar

994
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 4: contained because I think they're gonna need their defense to

995
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 4: be really good in this game.

996
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the curiosity with Lamar is you know

997
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: all season long, was how healthy was he? Because he

998
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 2: went away.

999
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: From running early on.

1000
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: Now they've also done disserviced at times and go back

1001
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, Baltimore in their choice down distance,

1002
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 2: et cetera. Derrick Henry historically has been that much better

1003
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: in the third and fourth quarter when he's entering carries

1004
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty right, because you get the lean

1005
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: by your offensive line. He's road grading and we had

1006
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: that twelve to fifty three that will always be up

1007
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: there going what the hell? Why didn't he touch the

1008
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: ball where maybe you would have made your life towards

1009
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: the playoffs a lot easier if you'd had the hammer

1010
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 2: with you Instead, you deployed him in a big way

1011
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: of going up against Green Bay. But yeah, for the

1012
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: Steelers middle of the road defensively giving up twenty two

1013
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: to seven a game offensively fifteenth and twenty three to two.

1014
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: Baltimore is still eleventh overall on the legs of Henry

1015
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: oftentimes twenty five points scored per game and then giving

1016
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: up twenty three to three. That's eighteenth overall. When we're

1017
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: talking about takeaways, both teams, you know, not exactly turnover

1018
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: differential heavyweights. When we get down to it. It's the

1019
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: one thing Aaron Rodgers doesn't do a ton of is

1020
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: put the ball in Harm's way. For the year, they're

1021
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 2: plus eleven as you roll through, is Pittsburgh Baltimore down

1022
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: at minus two, so basically a wash there, So curiosity

1023
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: of how this game plays out. You look at the

1024
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: receiving cores for Baltimore and even when they were talking

1025
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: and I do a weekly spot out there, Jared and

1026
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: a lot of the talk from the GM and everybody

1027
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: as we built the great roster, show me the great receiver.

1028
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: I like Jay Flowers, don't get me wrong.

1029
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: Good number two B who can step up on the game.

1030
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: He's a alpha, right, Socell, hope.

1031
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: He's feeling better, had his celebration cupcake, feeling better, felled

1032
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: with the illness a little bit today, feel better, Greg,

1033
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: He would say, you don't have your boundary X guy.

1034
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: You go get a guy on the other side while

1035
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: they're neutralized because dk Metcalf went and got himself suspended.

1036
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: But you talk about the passing game, I mean, Mark

1037
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: Andrews is your next leader. He's got forty six catches

1038
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: and is a guy that we've seen fail in big

1039
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: moments and then have some others what the hell are

1040
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: you doing moments like that would be lateral a couple

1041
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: of weeks ago where he just fired it out of

1042
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: bounds curiosity, But it really all begins and ends on

1043
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson's legs for how this game flows.

1044
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again to answer the question that we started with,

1045
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 4: like I don't know how healthy he is. I'm assuming

1046
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 4: it's less than a hundred percent, probably significantly lose, but

1047
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 4: I just don't know how much juice he has, Like

1048
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 4: he only needs I would say, three to five runs

1049
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 4: in this game scrambles to really keep Pittsburgh honest. The

1050
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 4: Steelers have done a really good job generating pressure this year,

1051
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 4: and that I think is the one thing I would

1052
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 4: probably look to as Okay, if Pittsburgh does get pressure

1053
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 4: on Lamar, that's something that they've done a great job

1054
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 4: at this year, and if they can keep him him

1055
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 4: in right. The Ravens offensive line hasn't been great, And

1056
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 4: even if he does give you a few of those

1057
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 4: runs per game, if the majority of his dropbacks are one, two, three, throw,

1058
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 4: that's a win for Pittsburgh.

1059
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: That's a win for Pittsburgh. And again, WoT back.

1060
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 4: Today, I think the Steelers are going to be able

1061
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 4: to get pressure on the quarterback, and I think that's

1062
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 4: going to make things very difficult on the other side.

1063
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I just don't know where Pittsburgh's offense

1064
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 4: is coming from. Here, Like seventy five percent of their

1065
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 4: passes are ten yards and inure from the line of scrimmage,

1066
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 4: and the majority of the ones that aren't ard dk

1067
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 4: met So how is Pittsburgh going to generate explosives?

1068
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: Because if you asked any.

1069
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 4: NFL offensive coordinator or head coach today, they will tell

1070
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 4: you two things decide games. And it's not how many

1071
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 4: yards you gain. It's not I mean, points obviously matter,

1072
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 4: but the two metrics that are the most predictive in

1073
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 4: winning a football game turnovers and explosives.

1074
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's not a good job of turnovers.

1075
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 4: You mentioned that this year Aaron Rodgers on a good

1076
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 4: job keeping the ball out of harm's way, but without DKA,

1077
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 4: I just don't know where the explosives are coming from. Now,

1078
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 4: Kenneth Gamo has been a little bit of an explosive

1079
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 4: monster this year. That's a guy, I think who can

1080
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 4: create some explosives on the ground. But if Pittsburgh gets

1081
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 4: into third and lungs, if they get into these obvious

1082
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 4: passing downs, you know who's gonna be the guy? You know,

1083
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 4: who's the Steelers alpha in this game? Like, you don't

1084
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 4: even have that big tight end Washington either. So there's

1085
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 4: just not a lot of muscle on this Pittsburgh offense.

1086
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 4: And it scares me that if they get into a

1087
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 4: negative game script, if the Ravens can be the hammer

1088
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 4: to the Steelers nail.

1089
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where the answer is from Pittsburgh.

1090
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 2: Now we're into our forties. With the number of times

1091
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Speaker 2: that we've seen Tomblin and Harbaugh face off. Does that

1092
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: continue in the new year or is one of them

1093
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 2: in a booth or transitioning to a new job.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question.

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00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 4: I think Mike Tomlin should just go to the NFC

1096
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 4: South because nine and eight's gonna win him the division

1097
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 4: every year.

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00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: So maybe that's a gram.

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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe that's why, Yeah, you had to come.

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00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 2: Back and sweet through four cities with that too good

1101
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 2: full galactis, or I snapped these guys away.

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00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, if I was Mike Tomlin and nine

1103
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 4: and eight's always on Mike docket.

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00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the division you want to be in.

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00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 4: It does seem now the irony is And I've heard

1106
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 4: a lot of these comparisons this year, and I really

1107
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 4: like this. I really like this take, and I'm gonna

1108
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 4: steal it from a couple of people that I've worked

1109
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 4: with this year. I really think that the Harbaugh thing

1110
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 4: reminds me of Andy Reid with the Eagles. Now, to

1111
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 4: be fair, Andy Reid did get to significantly more Super

1112
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 4: Bowls than Harbaugh did.

1113
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of title games back in the day.

1114
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Harbaugh's won them. I mean, yeah, Harbaugh's won two,

1115
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 4: whereas Reed didn't with Phil. But I do think there

1116
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 4: is an element of he's probably a better coach than

1117
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 4: what we've seen. But when the message and the roster

1118
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 4: and the situation gets a little bit stale around.

1119
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: You, sometimes you lose that spark.

1120
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 4: And sometimes just being in a new place reignites your flame,

1121
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 4: and that might be the best situation for Harball. I

1122
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 4: could see the I mean, listen, the Raiders need a coach.

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00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 4: There's probably three or four other teams that are going

1124
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 4: to be firing their.

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00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: Head coach come Monday.

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00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't be shocked if there is this kind

1127
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 4: of transition, going to a new conference, going to a

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00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 4: new division, changing the deck.

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Speaker 1: But I do think there has to be a reason

1130
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: if they win the AFC.

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00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 4: North, with all the deal, you know, the difficulties that

1132
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 4: they've had this year, I think it's actually a pretty

1133
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 4: good coaching job. But they have to win this game

1134
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 4: and we'll see what happens afterwards. But yeah, I can't

1135
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 4: I could see the loser of this game leaving down.

1136
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: I absolutely could see it.

1137
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 2: All right, because we want to keep for elements of time.

1138
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: We're gonna do the AFC battle for number one and

1139
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 2: grab those games together. A couple of big spreads still

1140
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 2: in those as you've referenced Clayton Tune.

1141
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 3: What am I getting against Minnesota?

1142
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 2: And does Justin Jefferson get the fifty three yards he

1143
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: needs to get his thousand on a year?

1144
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a good bet. I think Clayton

1145
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 4: Tune is just a disaster waiting to happen. So here's

1146
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 4: the nugget on the Packers that are unique, and this

1147
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 4: is why I would have played my starters this week

1148
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 4: if I was Matt Lafleur. So in the last twenty years,

1149
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 4: only one team has ever entered the playoffs on a

1150
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 4: four game losing streak. It was the Steelers last year

1151
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 4: and then they got blasted by the Ravens in the

1152
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 4: first round. So entering the postseason on a lengthy losing

1153
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 4: streak is just not a great vibe. So I was

1154
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 4: a little bit surprised, considering how poorly the Packers have

1155
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 4: played over the last month, that they didn't push to

1156
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 4: get Love back in this game, and his first game

1157
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 4: back from a long layoff is going to be in

1158
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 4: the playoffs against your division rival. Probably if Chicago wins

1159
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 4: and takes care of business, it'll be the Bears in

1160
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 4: that two to seven matchup. So I was a little

1161
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 4: bit surprised, and I'll be honest, not just speaking selfishly,

1162
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 4: because I have Packers over nine and.

1163
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 1: A half wins.

1164
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 4: You've got to get some kind of momentum heading into

1165
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 4: the playoffs.

1166
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: So I'm a little bit.

1167
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 4: Disturbed at what Green Bay's doing, and I think they're

1168
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 4: absolutely punting on the game and in no way could

1169
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 4: you back Green Bay in any way, shape or form.

1170
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 3: Thirty seven is the total.

1171
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: Just remember all those years ago when the Bears kind

1172
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: of laid down in the final week against the Packers

1173
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: and they got into the playoffs and then went on

1174
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: to play and win in the Super Bowl. The Jay

1175
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: Cutler years Minnesota eleven point spread and the bleven point

1176
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 2: favorite in this one. Thirty seven is your over under

1177
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: for this one. So watching paint dry to some level

1178
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: as well. Jets also seven and a half point dogs

1179
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: to Buffalo. Josh Allen the big QUI shouldn't how hurt

1180
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 2: is that foot?

1181
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1182
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I don't like this situation either.

1183
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 4: The Jets are a disaster though, Yeah, and they have

1184
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 4: based off of what the Giants do in that Cowboys game,

1185
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 4: you know they've got a chance to move up with

1186
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 4: their draft pick and I would not be surprised.

1187
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 9: Now.

1188
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 4: Tanking is not done on the field. Once the game starts,

1189
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 4: nobody cares and everyone's playing to win. But who's playing

1190
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 4: in that game?

1191
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 2: Right?

1192
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: We saw it with the Raiders last week.

1193
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 4: You sit Crosby, you sit Bowers, You shit you sit

1194
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 4: chin and you know you play Gino, which actually is

1195
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 4: a great way to tank in today's NFL as.

1196
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: You let Gino Smith start a game. But who's playing

1197
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: for the Jets? How many you know?

1198
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 4: What's the vibe of their game plan? Are they just

1199
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 4: run run round? There's no briest haul in this game,

1200
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 4: so who's carrying the load for the Jets' I don't

1201
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 4: know how much Allen will play. I know he'll start

1202
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 4: because he wants to get that streak a lot. I

1203
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 4: have no idea how much will play. My guess is

1204
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 4: a series, maybe a quarter, feels very much like a

1205
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 4: preseason game. But the Jets are that bad to where

1206
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 4: even the Jets ones going up against the Bills twos

1207
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 4: might not be enough for them to get across the

1208
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 4: finish line. So I would lean Buffalo. I would probably

1209
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 4: tease Buffalo down. I would play Buffalo in the first half,

1210
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 4: first quarter. I think that would be my vibe in

1211
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 4: this game.

1212
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: Finishing things up at high Mark, they also had a

1213
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: big thing twenty bucks an hour, plus a really nifty

1214
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 2: looking pair of gloves if you wanted to come and

1215
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: shovel out the stadium.

1216
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 4: It's the last game there too exactly how to get

1217
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 4: a home game? Yeah, most likely in the playoff.

1218
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, first five hundred shovelers got free high Mark Stadium

1219
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: branded winter gloves. Those are really good good. I'm sure

1220
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: they're selling well on eBay. We'll have to check the

1221
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: current tote board for those as we run through. But yeah,

1222
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 2: final game, there chance of snow as well. A few

1223
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: more games on the slate that will run through in

1224
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: fast style, great co sell. Normally I'll say, hey, what

1225
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: do you think of this game? They go, I got nothing,

1226
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: and then he gives me a quick nugget. It's like,

1227
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: all right, we gave it its requisite thirty seconds. Moving on,

1228
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 2: because we want to appeal to all of your fan bases,

1229
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: no matter how lost your season may be.

1230
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 3: Mike Garment, Jared Smith with you here.

1231
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: It's Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports Radio for the best

1232
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 2: pregame show each weekend. Tune in to Fox Sports Radio

1233
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: Countdown to Kickoff, presented by bet MGM every Saturday. You

1234
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: hear Jared and of course following us a little later

1235
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: on on Sunday morning, we caut you down all the

1236
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: biggest games three hours right up until kickoff for all

1237
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: the best plays up to the second injury news. Tune

1238
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: in to Countdown to Kickoff, presented by BETMGM every Saturday

1239
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: and Sunday morning right here Fox Sports Radio and the

1240
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: iHeart app Coming up next.

1241
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 3: We try to sort out the top of the board

1242
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 3: in the AFC. Who's gonna claim stake to it? And

1243
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 3: can this Douve all?

1244
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: I gotta make sure I get all the US right.

1245
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: Can they actually make it happen? We'll tell you next

1246
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: here on Fox Welcome back in. It's Fox Sports Radio,

1247
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 2: Fox Football Sunday, Bike Garment alongside Jared Smith.

1248
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: That's today.

1249
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: Having a good time as we career cruise into week

1250
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: eighteen of your National Football League seas in final fourteen games.

1251
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: We just talked about Baltimore and Pittsburgh, the always the

1252
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: big question, and we were talking about it a little

1253
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: in the break here in the studio. Jared the remember,

1254
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: you fire a coach, you gotta go find the new one.

1255
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: Good luck so Harbaugh Tomlin may maybe it's better, maybe

1256
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: it's not. I just know from where I sit as

1257
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 2: a Chicago kid and Bears fan, it's nice to play

1258
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: meaningful football heading into December and January, not just riding

1259
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: out the string and looking forward to what's behind the

1260
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: next door, like you're getting a new holiday holiday holiday

1261
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: gift to unwrapped. No, you're still playing football. So Pittsburgh

1262
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: and Baltimore all these years, you've never had that big

1263
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: bottom out moment that so many other franchises had.

1264
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 3: Maybe you need it. Maybe you need to get smacked

1265
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: in the face.

1266
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: Like that kid from the small town that suddenly goes

1267
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: to a prestigious college and realizes, Hey, I'm not that smart,

1268
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: I'm just average here. Sometimes you need to get kicked

1269
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: in the teeth because it tells you and teaches you

1270
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: those life lessons.

1271
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 4: Well, that's an interesting point about tonight's game, Like these

1272
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 4: games have been historically close. Yep, I think if you

1273
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 4: I had the numbers earlier. So it's since two thousand

1274
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 4: and five, the underdog in this game thirty twelve and

1275
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 4: three against the spread seventy one percent, and in the

1276
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 4: regular season the underdog is twenty five seven and three.

1277
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 4: When Tomlin and Harball face each other, John not Jim obviously,

1278
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 4: So these games have been historically close, the favorites have

1279
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 4: not won with margin. Maybe this is the day that

1280
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 4: we get it right, Like, maybe that's what it will

1281
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 4: take for Mike Tomlin to finally succumb to the Pittsburgh

1282
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 4: demons or vice versa. Right, Pittsburgh's underdog here, So we

1283
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 4: don't expect the Steelers to blow out the Ravens by

1284
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 4: two scores plus, but stranger things have happened pun intended, and.

1285
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: If that does happen, like, maybe that's what it would take.

1286
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 4: Now as a Jets van, I'm very used to seeing,

1287
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 4: you know, December games go awry and have nothing to

1288
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 4: play for in this, But maybe that's what it would

1289
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 4: take for this ownership group on both sides to finally

1290
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 4: say enough is enough, We're gonna move on.

1291
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: Maybe it's going to take an embarrassing loss, like not.

1292
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 4: Just the loss tight, right, these games have been historically

1293
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 4: tight the age old cliches.

1294
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: You take three on either side, you're going to be

1295
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: on the right side.

1296
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 4: Maybe it's one of those situations where Baltimore wins by

1297
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 4: twenty and everyone's like, well, Aaron Rodgers, Mike Tomlin, you know,

1298
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 4: don't let the baby out with the bathwater.

1299
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: As we look at the schedule later on today, we're

1300
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: still battling for the number one seed in the AFC.

1301
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: Also to settle the AFC South. We've got Jacksonville at

1302
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 2: thirteen and a half point favorite over Tennessee. Is cam

1303
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 2: Warden Company still try to fight through McCoy as the

1304
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: interim coach, getting them to the finish line here, But

1305
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: we've watched Trevor Lawrence just dominate these last few weeks.

1306
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 3: You've got the Chargers later on.

1307
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: Yes, we're going Trey Lance hunting here against bow Knicks,

1308
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: Bo Nixon Company fourteen point favorites, thirty eighth the total

1309
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 2: there in Denver and then newing On a twelve point

1310
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: favorite against Miami. Lots of rumors about what changes are

1311
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: afoot for twenty six in Miami, but plenty of time

1312
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: to talk about that forty five and a half your total.

1313
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 3: Who's ending up with the number one seed?

1314
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: I think it's Denver. So the irony is the Chargers

1315
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: are undefeated in the division this year.

1316
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 4: They're five and oh they won the first game against

1317
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 4: Denver way back, and I think it was week three,

1318
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 4: was very early in the season, and that was when

1319
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert was still upright and walking and not, you know,

1320
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 4: essentially a bionic man.

1321
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: Denver's been so good though lately, and I think that's

1322
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:43,439
Speaker 1: where I lean.

1323
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 4: I leaned Broncos by a lot today over the Chargers

1324
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 4: who are starting Trey Lance.

1325
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: And then the New England thing is interesting too.

1326
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 4: I think the Patriots situation right like, if the Patriots

1327
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 4: win and the Broncos lose, then New England would be

1328
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 4: the one seed. But the Patriots situation is interesting because

1329
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 4: I'm curious to see and these games of course being

1330
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 4: played at the same time in the late window today

1331
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 4: because you don't want to give either team an advantage.

1332
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 4: But the Patriots thing is interesting because how much does

1333
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 4: Mike Rabel want to let Drake May cook for that

1334
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 4: MVP award right because right now he's the favorite. I

1335
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 4: think there's a reasonable debate about who's the MVP. I

1336
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 4: honestly I would vote Stafford.

1337
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 3: Does the two games skid open that door?

1338
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 4: I So the thing about the MVP that's interesting is

1339
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 4: there is a vibe of recency bias where what you've

1340
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 4: done lately matters, and obviously Drake May would be the

1341
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 4: guy if that's the case. But then there's this narrative

1342
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 4: of you know, Lifetime Achievement Award where Stafford's never won it,

1343
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 4: and obviously Drake May's up and coming. You know, he's

1344
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 4: gonna be the guy. He's probably gonna be one of

1345
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 4: the MVP favorites next year. But Stafford's never won it,

1346
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 4: and the dude was like, you know, almost incapacitated in

1347
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 4: the preseason with a back injury.

1348
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: So the fact that they just and they're probably.

1349
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 4: Gonna beat Arizona today, so they're gonna win twelve games

1350
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 4: and they're gonna be the five seed in the division.

1351
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 4: Of course, the only reason they're not divisioning champs is

1352
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 4: because sattles Is had an unbelievable year where they've vastly overachieved.

1353
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 4: So I think there's a vibe where you give Stafford

1354
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 4: the nod because of what he's done a in common games,

1355
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 4: right when New England and the Rams have played the

1356
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 4: same teams this year and they're in different divisions, different conferences,

1357
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 4: but they have played some common opponents, the Stafford numbers

1358
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 4: have been better, and also Stafford's played a much tougher schedule,

1359
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 4: and I just think in general, Drake May has kind

1360
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 4: of feasted on that bad schedule where some of the

1361
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 4: numbers are skewed.

1362
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: So I would still give it to Stafford.

1363
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 4: But if Drake May throws for five touchdowns today after

1364
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 4: throwing for five last week.

1365
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: You know the voters are going to remember that. So

1366
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: it is an interesting dynamic. I think with the Patriots today.

1367
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 2: Getting some run with Hunter Henry fifty five catches on

1368
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 2: the year, touchdowns three of his last five, he's got

1369
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 2: to be the leading guy.

1370
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 9: Right.

1371
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 2: We've got Hollins went to the ir booties out with

1372
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 2: the concussion Stefan Diggs.

1373
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 3: Anybody want to touch that right now?

1374
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 2: No, but I see a lot of stuff about his

1375
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 2: incentives thirty receiving yards and activating all sorts of playing.

1376
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 2: I can't think he's playing, but we'll get that from

1377
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 2: Isaac Lowankron if he's got any news on that one

1378
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: as we go forward Jacksonville, Tennessee. But yeah, the the

1379
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 2: MVP one is interesting because the other thing with New

1380
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 2: England is also you mentioned strength to schedule. It is

1381
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: decidedly different between what the Rams have run through versus

1382
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 2: what the Patriots have.

1383
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: Something we've called it's a historically bad schedule for the Patriots.

1384
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, you fan, because they winning all the games

1385
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 4: in terms of softness historically soft.

1386
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can only beat who's on the schedule, So

1387
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: you run through Houston Indianapolis as we get to the

1388
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,919
Speaker 2: one last game, as we're talking about the AFC South

1389
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: title thirty nine and a half c J. Stroud and Company,

1390
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 2: Nicocollins obviously the one guy Jonathan Taylor paging Jonathan Taylor.

1391
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: Last big game came with that two hundred and forty

1392
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: plus yard effort that was a long, long time ago, Jared,

1393
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 2: seems like another season ago that we had all those

1394
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 2: good feelings there in Indianapolis as they turned back to

1395
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard.

1396
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this is a game where I actually

1397
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 4: kind of like the dog a little bit here because

1398
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 4: you would imagine, right, so Houston and Jacksonvill obviously play

1399
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 4: at the same time. If Jacksonville wins, they clinched the

1400
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 4: division and there's no real upside for Houston. And once

1401
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 4: Jacksonville inevitably takes the lead on Tennessee, Houston probably you know,

1402
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 4: sees that especially at half and kind of throttles down

1403
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 4: and Riley Leonard, I mean, listen, I love the Philip

1404
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 4: Rivers story. It's my favorite story in the NFL this year.

1405
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 4: It's all about you know, overcoming fear and regret and

1406
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 4: it's a fantastic story. Off the field, but on the

1407
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 4: field it looked a little bit mushy. You go to

1408
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 4: Riley Leonard, who can move a little bit. I think

1409
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 4: this is gonna be an upside game for him. And

1410
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 4: you mentioned Jonathan Taylor, like the Colts still have some

1411
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 4: players on their team who can operate.

1412
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: And this line.

1413
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 4: You know about a month ago these teams play and

1414
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 4: the Texans were a three point row dog.

1415
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: Now they're a double digit home favorite.

1416
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 4: So this number's moved a ton And I don't know

1417
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 4: how big of a downgrade it is from banged up

1418
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones to Riley Leonard, who can move a little

1419
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 4: bit where I think actually Leonard's an upgrade over Rivers.

1420
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 4: So I kind of lean the dog here, especially if

1421
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 4: Houston knows that they're out of it late and they

1422
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 4: kind of take their foot off the gas in the

1423
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 4: second half.

1424
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: I could see the Texans or the Cults slipping through

1425
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: the back door.

1426
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 2: Well, you also have to be kind to Philip Rivers.

1427
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: Are you putting them out there against that Houston front

1428
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: and is phenomenal Riley Leonard can.

1429
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 3: At least try to run away.

1430
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: Yes, Philip Rivers, it was going to be like those

1431
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 2: old toys that used to have where you'd press the

1432
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 2: button and their legs would collapse and then they pop

1433
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: back up, kind of like Peyton manny like just like

1434
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 2: think about the old Peyton manny. I see a pressure

1435
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: coming and I just turtled to the ground if I

1436
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: can't throw the ball away.

1437
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 3: That was what Philip needed to do here.

1438
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard, Let's see if you can get those feet

1439
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: moving and create a little bit of chaos here against

1440
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 2: Houston in the finale. A couple of games that we

1441
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 2: want to touch. I was looking for and over under

1442
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: on passing yardage and some of the other things. For

1443
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, I can't find him because Dallas just a

1444
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 2: three point favorite against the Giants on the road.

1445
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 3: Forty nine and a half is the total.

1446
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: So still expecting some fireworks, even with as I mentioned

1447
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 2: a little bit earlier, some of those Giants principles are out.

1448
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 2: No Theo Johnson, no Wandale Robinson. You got a chance

1449
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 2: of snow in the low thirties there in New Jersey.

1450
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 2: But for the Cowboys trying to finish it out, ibra

1451
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 2: Flus will get blown out. But still some incentives to

1452
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 2: be had for George Pickens and some of the members

1453
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 2: of that offense.

1454
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've got Dallas over seven and a half wins, So.

1455
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, see meant you gotta need that.

1456
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: Well, I look, wouldn't it be even sweeter if you

1457
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 2: got it on the back of the r or the

1458
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 2: arm of Joe Milton?

1459
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1460
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 4: No, there's no DAK props posted today, so that that

1461
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 4: leads me to believe that there's some uncertainty with that situation.

1462
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of funny.

1463
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 4: I've got Cowboys over seven and a half wins, I've

1464
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 4: got Eagles under eleven and a half wins, I've got

1465
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 4: Falcons over seven and a.

1466
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: Half, and I've got Packers over nine and a half.

1467
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: That one looks like toilet paper with Clayton toone, but.

1468
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:20,480
Speaker 4: The McKee, Joe Milton, kirk Cousins, Kirk Cousins, I mean, listen.

1469
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 3: You're gonna do another parlay on that on those four guys.

1470
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 4: And the irony is the two biggest bets of those

1471
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 4: are kirk Cousins and Tanner McKee. I mean, I really

1472
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 4: need I need hey, Josh Johnson, but if you're listening,

1473
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 4: I need you to have a big game today because

1474
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 4: I really have a pretty big nugget on this. Eagles

1475
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 4: under eleven and a half wins. I've been sitting on

1476
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 4: it all year, and and how how cruel was it?

1477
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 4: I've got Bills over eleven and a half too, but

1478
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna get home against the Jets.

1479
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: How cool was it last week? Mike Bills over.

1480
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 4: Eleven and a half wins, Eagles under eleven and a

1481
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 4: half wins, and Josh Allen to Khalil Shakir wide open.

1482
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah not not to be still replaying that one in

1483
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 2: my head. There are a number of indelibly etched moments

1484
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 2: from this twenty twenty five campaign. But for the Bills,

1485
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: I mean, if Josh Allen does sit down, I mean,

1486
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 2: it's Mitchell Trubisky for me.

1487
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 3: And everybody knows I'm a big Trubisky.

1488
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: Backer from me steel better than Brady Cook.

1489
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 3: So there you go. Take it in. I think.

1490
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 2: So, we got a couple of games left to do,

1491
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: the battle for Ohio records to be set, all of

1492
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 2: that fun stuff. But it's time to take a trip

1493
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 2: to the news desk to a man, lazy man legend

1494
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 2: in his own right. It's our guy, Isaac Lowandrod for

1495
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 2: the first time, I'm looking across.

1496
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 3: The studio and smiling at him.

1497
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 2: In a new year at Isaac Lowan Gron where you

1498
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: find a part of the Chargers broadcast squad Angel CITYFC,

1499
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 2: and he's on the corner telling you about the meaning

1500
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 2: of life. For now, he'll tell us about INDs, outs

1501
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 2: and the goods. Here on a Sunday morning, what's going on, Ilo.

1502
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 3: Hey wey, thank you Mike. Good morning to you, Jared.

1503
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 9: And we're gonna have a philosophy of life coming up

1504
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 9: from a San Francisco forty nine er, Because on Saturday night,

1505
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 9: the Seattle Seahawks won at San Francisco thirteen to three

1506
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 9: to claim the one seed in the NFC. The forty

1507
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 9: nine ers three points, the fewest they've ever scored under

1508
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 9: Kyle Shanahan. They just had one hundred and seventy three

1509
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 9: yards of total offense, only nine first downs. They were

1510
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 9: two for nine on third downs. But afterwards, forty nine

1511
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 9: Ers tight end George Kittle put everything into perspective.

1512
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: We'll also home a division rival for the division and

1513
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,560
Speaker 1: the one seed that sucks. That just is what it is.

1514
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: And yes, I'll be very I'm disappointed about it. It's horrible.

1515
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: Good news is I got to play football next week.

1516
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 4: Whether it's Saturday, Sunday, Monday, whenever it is, I gotta

1517
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 4: play football again.

1518
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 9: Earlier on Saturday, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers knocked off the

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Speaker 9: Carolina Panthers sixteen to fourteen.

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Speaker 3: That means that the.

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Speaker 9: NFC South will be decided by the Falcons Saints game today.

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01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 9: Carolina will win the NFC South, whether Falcons victory. Tampa

1523
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 9: Bay will win the NFC South, whether Saints victory or

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01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 9: a tie. Multiple outlets reporting today that Houston Texans received

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01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 9: Nico Collins will be held out of their game against

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01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:07,799
Speaker 9: the Colts. And finally, Mike and Jared, speaking of the Colts,

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01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:13,440
Speaker 9: NFL media reports the teams are doing research on recently

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01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 9: unretired Colts quarterback Philip Rivers as a potential head coaching

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01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 9: Canada for next season. Get ready for a lot of

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Speaker 9: shoots and dangits during press conferences. If that should come

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01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 9: to fruition back to you guys.

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01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 3: That would get me to watch Hard Knocks again. I

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01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 3: can tell you that I could see it the phraseology.

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01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 9: Of Philip Rivers and it could be just hard knocks

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01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 9: with him and all his kids, that's enough for a

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Speaker 9: football team.

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01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 2: Well, I mean eight is enough with Dick Van Patten

1538
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 2: ran all those years ago, Thanks Ilo at, Isaac lohanngront

1539
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 2: all the latest, give you that, Nico Collins nugget and

1540
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 2: George Kittle. At the end of that quote, he also said,

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01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 2: go Cardinals, because if the Cardinals win, the forty nine

1542
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 2: Ers get the NFC South winner. If the Cardinals lose,

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01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers will likely play the Eagles.

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01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 4: That is a huge difference, just a little bit difference

1545
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 4: between being a road favorite and a road dog.

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01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 3: Here you go take Bigsby.

1547
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 2: Probably you'll see a bunch of him for Philly a

1548
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 2: little bit later on today as well.

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01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 3: All right, Arizona and the Rams.

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01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 2: As we look at it, huge spread, what was it,

1551
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 2: thirteen and a half, forty seven and a half, Sean

1552
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 2: McVay saying, we're all playing, we're getting after that. I've

1553
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 2: love watching Jacoby Brissett winging around three touchdowns per pick.

1554
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,600
Speaker 2: He has taken thirty seven sacks on the course of

1555
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 2: the year. Wilson is ninety three yards from one thousand,

1556
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 2: so the opportunity for him to hit a big mark

1557
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 2: as he's like he's running as the number one right now.

1558
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison uneven even when on the field. But for

1559
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:49,480
Speaker 2: McVeigh back to back losses back on twelve to seventeen,

1560
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 2: we're crowding him as the best team in the NFL.

1561
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 2: And now they've fired a special teams coordinator and come

1562
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 2: towards the playoff with some questions.

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01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 4: The first part about this game that I'll get to

1564
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 4: is how bad Arizona's been this year is really unfortunate.

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01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 4: Their win total entering the season was eight and a

1566
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 4: half and I bet the over like a dummy because

1567
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 4: I really thought their defense was going to be significantly improved.

1568
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 4: They address the defense in the draft and in the offseason,

1569
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 4: and I really like Jonathan Gannon as a coach.

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01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: They just don't have a quarterback. You know, we didn't

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01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: know what the Kyler Murray situation was.

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01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 4: I think we know now based on how they've handled

1573
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 4: that situation that it is not going to be a

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01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 4: positive future and probably will be the end of Kyler

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01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 4: Murray's tenure in Arizona. That aside the Rams decision to

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01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 4: play their starters, I think is what the Packers should

1577
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 4: be doing right, and the Packers are in more dire

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01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 4: Straits than the Rams are because they've lost three in

1579
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 4: a row and they're about to lose their fourth because

1580
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 4: they're not beating the Vikings today as a double digit dog.

1581
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 4: So I like the Rams decision to play their starters

1582
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 4: today and now that there's obviously something to play for it,

1583
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 4: you have to play your starters today. There is a massive,

1584
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 4: massive difference this year between the five and the sixth seed.

1585
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 4: Who cares, it's not a big it is a massive deal.

1586
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 4: It is the difference again between being a road favorite

1587
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 4: and a road underdog in Philly against the defending Super

1588
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 4: Bowl champs in the first round. That is a huge difference.

1589
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: So the Rams will be all in. I would bet

1590
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: the Rams in the first half.

1591
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 4: I would probably look to bet anything you can Rams related,

1592
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 4: especially the running game props. I think that is you know,

1593
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 4: for Williams and Corum, those have been the two guys.

1594
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 4: I don't know which one will be the guy today.

1595
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 4: That's been the issue with betting their props. But one

1596
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 4: of them's got have a good game because the Cardinals

1597
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 4: defense can't stop a nosebleed right now.

1598
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,759
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the biggest thing I thought with Gannon

1599
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 2: this year and he's one of those guys that we're watching.

1600
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 2: Whether the sort of Dan mccles falls on Black Monday

1601
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 2: or later on Sunday night with the ownership group and

1602
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 2: whether they just spin it out to the next year.

1603
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 2: Is that the defense was going to be better, right,

1604
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 2: that's his reputation, that's what they built that they went

1605
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 2: all draft. The entire draft was defense to go and

1606
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 2: push things ahead, and instead it's spiraled. You've seen some

1607
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 2: good work out of Brisset in the absence of Kyler Murray,

1608
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 2: whose future there can we say is cloudy at best.

1609
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 3: So now we look forward.

1610
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, for the Rams, I know a lot of

1611
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 2: handwringing was going on when mc they said we're all

1612
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 2: going to start. It's like, well, wasn't this guy that

1613
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 2: didn't want to play preseason?

1614
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 3: Why is he playing? No, No, they're still seeding. This

1615
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 3: still matters.

1616
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: It's very important.

1617
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of an I think for momentum too,

1618
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 4: Like I think that's the same thing with the Packers,

1619
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 4: like our stopped the sud have played starters today.

1620
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,599
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Speaker 3: Talk about records.

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Speaker 2: One that's potentially one of the greatest single season feats

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Speaker 2: we can see. The other is a team looking to

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Speaker 2: do something that hasn't been done, that's in a stat

1637
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Speaker 2: that's been tracked for a century.

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Speaker 2: By my count, Jared, we're up to sixty two different

1647
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 2: quarterbacks will have started at least one game this year

1648
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 2: by time we finished today.

1649
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 1: It feels like a lot.

1650
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like well, I mean, it's becoming with

1651
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Speaker 2: thirty two teams. Yeah, Unfortunately, it's starting to be the norm.

1652
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Speaker 2: So all of you that we're able to get through

1653
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Speaker 2: seventeen weeks, congratulations, here's your hearty handshake. Now later on today,

1654
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Speaker 2: we got one record. That's one sack away. Miles Garrett

1655
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 2: has twelve sacks of Joe Burrow in his career. Goes

1656
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Speaker 2: for a Baker's dozen later today, Cincinnati eight point favorites

1657
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 2: in this one. Chase Brown fifty three yards from one thousand,

1658
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 2: fifty three seems to be a magic number. You're looking

1659
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,719
Speaker 2: at Jamar Chase at one seventeen thirteen, sixteen seven scores

1660
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 2: two touchdowns last week, finally getting it.

1661
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 3: Done for Cleveland.

1662
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 2: Sixteen different players with the reception. But that's not out

1663
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 2: of the order there we see receivers. How about twelve

1664
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 2: different players with at least a single carry?

1665
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, the rush for Cleveland. Our problem.

1666
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 4: Cleveland's defense is very different on the road than at home.

1667
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 4: So if you're coming into this game thinking, oh yeah,

1668
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 4: the Browns are going to be able to hold this

1669
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 4: Bengals defair this Bengals offense in check. For some reason,

1670
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 4: when Cleveland leaves their friendly confines, their defense reverts. The

1671
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 4: team totals the game totals, like, we've seen this total

1672
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 4: rise steadily throughout the week. I would lean under because

1673
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 4: now we're at the point at forty six where it's

1674
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 4: like it's pretty heavy and if you want to lay

1675
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 4: more than a touchdown with this Bengals defense, good luck

1676
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 4: to your friends.

1677
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 3: Good luck Swetsinger not playing here.

1678
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 2: He leaves with his one hundred and ninety nine ten Okay,

1679
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: he's only got one hundred and fifty six, but the

1680
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 2: decided favorite for the defensive Rookie of the Year. Conversely,

1681
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 2: the Jets can do something that hasn't been done since

1682
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty three when they started tracking interceptions.

1683
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 3: They still don't have one.

1684
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: That's wild. They're coached by a former defensive back.

1685
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 3: How about that. It's funny.

1686
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: Guy, I'm a Jets fan, I'm biased, but he's not

1687
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: the game.

1688
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 3: There you go, moving on, who do you want.

1689
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: Harball?

1690
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 3: Just cycle him here. I'll help him move as.

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01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: You know, the move up the eastern quarter of the quarter.

1692
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 2: All right, one last thing, I want to get to

1693
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 2: the final run. Look, Pete Carroll's probably gonna get bounced.

1694
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 2: Genty is at the Chinese magic number of eight eighty eight.

1695
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 2: That is a very lucky number. Needs like the Guards

1696
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 2: to get to a thousand on the year, two big

1697
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,440
Speaker 2: games helping to fuel that. On the other side, oladok

1698
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 2: in your quarterback for the Chiefs, Travis Kelsey needs two

1699
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 2: receptions to move to eighth place all time.

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01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 3: M how about that.

1701
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough one. I think. I think I

1702
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: lean onunduring that game.

1703
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 4: There's just not a lot of offensive firepower. I think

1704
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 4: it's gonna be pick it too right, Gino Smith is out?

1705
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: So yep.

1706
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, that actually leads me to believe that the Raiders

1707
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 4: have a chance and the irony is right. If they

1708
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 4: win this game, doesn't it completely screw their number one pick?

1709
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 2: No, that's it then, and the Giants battling for a

1710
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 2: looking over at each other, eating off their papers. Hey,

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Speaker 2: the air. Jared, we'll talk to her in the week

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Speaker 2: about college football.

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