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Speaker 3: been chronicling this for the past week or two and

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Speaker 3: it took effect on Sunday. Los Angeles County has a

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Speaker 3: new bail schedule. The Los Angeles County Superior Court made

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Speaker 3: a decision that for many crimes, many everyday crimes that

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Speaker 3: you're aware of, it would be a case of sit

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Speaker 3: and release. There could be circumstances, obviously for the most

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Speaker 3: on a special magistrate to come and determine whether or

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Speaker 3: not bail is necessary in the situation. Just before this

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Speaker 3: took effect, twelve California towns went to court to try

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Speaker 3: to get an injunction slapped on this taking effect, but

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Speaker 3: they didn't get a hearing in time for it to

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Speaker 3: start on Sunday, October first, And we thought they were

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Speaker 3: probably been delayed. There's probably questions about where it should

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Speaker 3: be held. Since this decision was made by the La

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Speaker 3: County Superior Court, where do you go with.

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Speaker 2: Trying to slap an injunction on it?

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Speaker 3: But anyway to talk about all the issues around zero bail,

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Speaker 3: we're bringing on Jeffrey Clayton. He's the policy director executive

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Speaker 3: director for the American Bail Coalition.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm well, how are you guys doing?

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Speaker 2: We're doing all right?

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Speaker 1: And the American Bail Coalition you represent, who's specifically here.

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Speaker 4: Insurance companies are underwride all the bill bondsmen in California.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And what's what's the industry's opinion of this anarchy

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Speaker 1: that's been unleashed here in La County.

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Speaker 4: Well, the public doesn't realize this is an outrage because

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Speaker 4: what really happened is the County of Los Angeles and

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Speaker 4: the City of Los Angeles were sued by activists called

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Speaker 4: the Civil Rights Corps, which led to all this, and

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Speaker 4: the Attorney General was sued, and all of them said,

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Speaker 4: it's not our problem, we don't care. We're not going

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Speaker 4: to defend the law. And so Judge Ruff held that

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Speaker 4: the bail schedule was unconstitutional and these cities, unfortunately didn't

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Speaker 4: to have sort of a legal throwdown. We'll get to

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Speaker 4: the get to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I had heard out here as everybody gave up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had heard this that the sheriff and the

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Speaker 3: keep this bail schedule.

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Speaker 1: Why not?

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Speaker 2: Why did they do that?

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Speaker 4: Well, essentially they said the judges, you know, we're the

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Speaker 4: ones that said bail, which is true, which is why

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Speaker 4: the Attorney general should have defended them. But again, you know,

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Speaker 4: when this whole whole scenario happened in San Francisco, when

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Speaker 4: So it's no surprise that the Attorney General is not

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I think, like our Sheriff Robert Luna and definitely

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Speaker 1: not and you know now that the bail policy was

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Speaker 1: this bail idea from the La County Superior Court Judge Lawrence.

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Speaker 2: Riff goes back to the middle of last year, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they need to defend California law, whether they

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Speaker 2: But why aren't they defending it?

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Speaker 1: Why aren't they defending it like day one, holding press conferences,

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Speaker 4: This, Well I don't know. I think it's because the

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Speaker 4: and this is a mechanism they can get it because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another thing people wondered.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we voted on this process was twenty five

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Speaker 4: Exactly and the whole idea that bill is unaffordable. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we won two cases in the US Court of Appeals

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Speaker 4: to the Eleventh Circuit, and the Supreme Court has already

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Speaker 4: looked at this and said there's no problem with poor

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Speaker 4: is in California, where nobody's defending it.

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Speaker 3: I was going to ask you that because they keep

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Speaker 3: making the client most was clearly on constitutional, But you

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Speaker 3: said it's already been argued to the US Supreme Court.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been two cases in the Eleventh Circuit, both

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Speaker 4: because they're basically holding that, Yeah, the idea that you know,

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Speaker 4: somebody can't afford their bills and not an unconstitutional situation

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Speaker 4: as long as the judge actually hears their appeal, which

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Speaker 4: is what's set up to do in California right now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, then how does a judge get away with saying

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Speaker 1: it's unconstitutional when the Supreme Court of the US has

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Speaker 4: Well, there's nobody defending it. And you know, the whole

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Speaker 4: idea that it doesn't protect public safety, Well, you know,

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Speaker 4: if we could get in the case and make the

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Speaker 4: argument when people are in jail, they don't commit crimes,

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Speaker 4: that's the whole.

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Speaker 2: Thing that's being out here. It's so simple general.

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Speaker 4: Deterrence of the fact that, you know, if there's a

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot of arguments that just aren't getting

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Speaker 4: in here. And frankly, I think Judge Reff's hands were tied.

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Speaker 2: Why why do you say that?

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Speaker 4: I don't think he really had anything to go on

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Speaker 1: So so everybody's in on this the attorney general, I believe,

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Speaker 1: But the police chief and the sheriff they're all in

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Speaker 4: No, I don't know about that. I think they have

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Speaker 4: a plausible argument to say that the judges should be defended.

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Speaker 4: In California, state law should be defended, and that the

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Speaker 4: attorney general should be the one to do that. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: he's just not doing it.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: If everybody's going to say, not my job, then there's

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Speaker 3: What about John, your idea yesterday that maybe we could

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Speaker 3: make bail more commensurate for people that are poor, just

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Speaker 3: making sure it's important enough that they, you know, don't

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Speaker 3: commit the crime when they're out on bail. Was there

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Speaker 3: a way to change the way it's done, a sliding

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Speaker 1: You know, whatever your net worth is or whatever your

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Speaker 1: paycheck is. I think they have that in some jurisdictions

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Speaker 1: around the country, don't they They do.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the former county court judge of my

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Speaker 4: hometown of Denver had a sliding scale system where he

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Speaker 4: had an income bracket on the top and then sort

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Speaker 4: of the bail schedule was based on that, and there

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Speaker 4: were different categories for different levels of income.

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Speaker 2: Did that work?

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Speaker 4: I thought it did. I mean at least drew attention

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Speaker 4: to the fact that judges needed to take a better

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Speaker 4: look at it in terms of you know, what's appropriate

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Speaker 4: and what's not, and not just say everybody who can

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Speaker 4: amidst this assault is there four hundred thousand, Well that

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Speaker 4: should be a little, maybe even higher for the extremely

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Speaker 1: Off, right exactly, it's it's to keep you from taking off,

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Speaker 1: So you make it high enough so that it'll hurt

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Speaker 1: if if they don't show up to their to their hearing.

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Speaker 3: Are you hearing anything so far about La La County

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Speaker 3: zero bail anything.

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Speaker 4: I think it's too early yet, because you know, the

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Speaker 4: cases in the pipeline still get adjudicated under the old system,

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Speaker 4: so usually takes a few weeks before we find out.

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Speaker 4: You know, how things are looking.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I didn't realize that. You're right.

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Speaker 3: I guess somebody who was arrested before October first is

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Speaker 1: Right, But odds are this is not going to turn

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Speaker 1: If there's no immediate consequence, not even bail, not even

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Speaker 1: some point?

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Speaker 4: Well, we learned that during the pandemic, so we're living

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Speaker 4: with that right now. But the ultimate result is there's

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Speaker 4: like because the LA courts just aren't funded to set

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Speaker 4: They just don't have the resources to do that, so

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Speaker 4: they'll just have whole lots of people that they never

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Speaker 4: see and just let out on zero bill because they won't.

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Speaker 4: You know, the measure of getting bail in LA will

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Speaker 4: be how many court hearings can we have?

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Speaker 3: What's your opinion of this lawsuit by these twelve cities

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Speaker 3: and where should where should it be taken to what court?

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Speaker 4: I think it's good I think, you know, ultimately, I

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Speaker 4: think the California Supreme Court is going to have to

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Speaker 4: decide this question. They could remove it to federal court

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Speaker 4: and try to get the Ninth Circuit to do it,

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Speaker 4: but we know that's a non starter. So I think

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Speaker 4: we'll they'll have to combine these cases, I'm assuming, and

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Speaker 4: they'll we'll get eventually a decision from the California Supreme Court.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully they'll be an injunction while we can figure all

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Speaker 4: of this out.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jeffrey Clayton, thanks for coming on. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate it, guys.

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Speaker 2: All right. He is the.

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Speaker 3: Executive director policy director for the American Bail Coalition, and

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Speaker 3: of course we wanted his input on what's going on

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Speaker 3: in La County effective Sunday, which is the new bail

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Speaker 3: schedule system. It's no bail site and release for a

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Speaker 3: lot of crimes, some of which would really horrify you,

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Speaker 3: but the one we keep highlighting is car theft. More

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Speaker 3: Well in the city of Los Angeles, where people get

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Speaker 3: to basically plunk down wherever they want with a homeless encampment.

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Speaker 3: We've seen the dangers of that. One of the big ones,

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Speaker 2: KTLA.

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Speaker 3: Reporter Chris Wolfe is talking about where this homeless encampment is.

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Speaker 3: It is really scaring neighbors.

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Speaker 5: With Halloween fast approaching, people in Studio City have set

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Speaker 7: I've already thought a million times, said this whole street

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Speaker 5: Look closer and you'll notice a homeless setup against the

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Speaker 5: Kobe Brainerd says police visited the site day earlier.

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Speaker 7: It's like our hands are tied at some point without

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Speaker 5: Social media and neighborhood watch apps are growing up with

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Speaker 5: potential explosion given the right or you might say, wrong circumstances.

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Speaker 5: Postings include very dangerous if the government is not going

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Speaker 5: an organized society, why are we paying taxes and the

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Speaker 2: You want action? Run? Are you concerned?

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Speaker 5: Very concerned the worst case scenario some kind of explosion

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Speaker 5: exactly exactly. I mean I'm in New Yorker, so I

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Speaker 5: here if so cal Gas says it was notified today

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Speaker 1: Will be posted attempting this story to contact. What do

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Speaker 1: you mean attempting to contact? Why aren't the police there

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Speaker 1: instantly immediately and order the order the ordering them off

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Speaker 1: at gunpoint. You can't sit on a gas line? What

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Speaker 1: is wrong with everybody? I mean that this wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: top of an active gas line. Cops should be right

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Speaker 1: there say everybody gone, go go and if anyone resisted,

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Speaker 2: There's gonna all these signs.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it says, before you dig, call this number because

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Speaker 3: but this doesn't matter. Guess whose council district this is?

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Speaker 3: Good old Nithia Raman.

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Speaker 2: Oh she is just she.

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Speaker 3: Her homelessness deputy has been notified in the situation and

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Speaker 2: So if the inhabitants say no, then the PA where

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Speaker 3: Where could they go?

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Speaker 2: The wow, stupid answer we get they got nowhere to go?

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Speaker 2: What's wrong with it? This one? I'm talking, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: This is a psychopathic religion because one of the things

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Speaker 1: that the neighborhoods in danger of blowing up. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: These people are the exalted ones now and they're religion.

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Speaker 1: That's who they worship.

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Speaker 2: God.

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Speaker 1: What I mean, it's really a mind virus. That's what

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Speaker 2: That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: How could you possibly let this group sit on an

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Speaker 1: That's impossible. You'd have to say this is a form

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Speaker 2: This story is a day or two old.

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Speaker 3: You would think by now, I'm looking for an update,

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Speaker 2: They don't do anything, but they don't care.

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Speaker 3: But that's what you always say that there's gonna be

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Speaker 3: well we should have done something about that. You know,

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Speaker 3: I don't even know if that's true anymore.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if the whole block blew up,

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Speaker 1: whether they would change their ways at all, because again,

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Speaker 2: Whenever people used to sacrifice babies.

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Speaker 1: Right, they did since well in ancient religions, yes, they

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Speaker 2: Others, something that you really treasure, right yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: So we have to sacrifice, you know, these people in

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Speaker 1: You think I'm crazy When all this all shakes out,

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Speaker 1: You're going to see this was mass hysteria. This was

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Speaker 1: They got intimidated by activists they have. It's infected the media,

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Speaker 1: Why but we got more coming up?

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Speaker 3: All right, well there's another strike. This is the year

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Speaker 3: of strikes. By the way, what happened to the hotel

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Speaker 3: The hotel workers run strike. I never cared going to

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Speaker 3: rotate the different hotels. Yeah, I never cared because I

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Speaker 3: don't stay well. The actors and the writers strike got

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Speaker 1: At least people could relate to, you know, watching television.

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Speaker 1: But if you live well, if you live in La

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Speaker 3: Now, this latest one should be of concern the people

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Speaker 2: So we'll talk about it. It's coming up after.

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Speaker 3: The news at three o'clock with Alex Stoney, ABC News

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Speaker 3: for KFI. The alser Gundo Times did one of these

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Speaker 3: stories that well, it's about the tenant from hell. Sympathies

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Speaker 3: the name of Sasha Jovanovic. He came here from the Netherlands,

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Speaker 3: I think in nineteen ninety. It looks like he's a dentist. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: he was building a beautiful home in the hills of

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Speaker 2: Do you know run They run stories promoting that every week.

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Speaker 3: Because they think it's going to help solve the housing crisis.

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Speaker 3: If you build a little thing in your backyard and

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Speaker 2: There that's what they're pushing. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, he ended up with a tenant by the name

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Speaker 3: like a hundred and how much was it a night?

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Speaker 3: One hundred and five, one hundred and five dollars a night.

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Speaker 3: The fees would be twenty thousand, seven hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: That's actually a pretty good price. You get six months

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Speaker 2: At at that's cheaper than a hotel room.

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Speaker 3: Her profile from another Airbnb host simply said she had

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Speaker 2: And he comes in the.

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Speaker 3: So I want to repair the mold. Would you please

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Speaker 3: nineteen tenant Protections resolution and the twenty eleven doctor's note

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Speaker 3: pointing out her extreme chemical sensitivities. Because even said, you

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Speaker 1: You know this guy should have changed the locks and

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Speaker 2: I don't think she leaves.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean some way, you've got to lure out

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Speaker 3: No, Well, her tendency ended in April of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: She's still there. That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Then they both got lawyers and apparently the last word

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Speaker 2: One hundred thousand dollars. He has to pay her.

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Speaker 1: She's holding his little guesthouse for rents. She wants a

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Speaker 3: And he did multiple eviction notices. Nothing happened. He reached

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Speaker 2: I'll send you more paper.

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Speaker 3: Oh. Actually she reached out to LA's Department of Building

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Speaker 2: You go there, You see that put him in trouble.

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Speaker 2: That is Los Angeles, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: This is they're they're they're pushing these ADUs, the Los

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Speaker 1: then somebody moves in, won't leave.

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Speaker 2: You call the city and the city says.

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Speaker 1: Ah, you did something wrong here, there's not a permit

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Speaker 3: Eventually, she got in touch with a city official, a

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Speaker 3: housing investigator, who agreed that because the unit violated city codes,

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Speaker 3: he had to withdraw us.

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Speaker 2: Eviction notices until he can prove the unit was in compliance.

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Speaker 1: So he wait a second, she gets to stay in

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Speaker 1: a unit that's not even legal.

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Speaker 2: It's not that she has to go.

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Speaker 1: I mean if it's not, if it's if it didn't

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Speaker 1: qualify for occupation, then why do they let her occupy it?

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Speaker 3: Because it didn't qualify to be occupied and he didn't

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Speaker 3: get it qualified. Therefore he has no help in evicting someone.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what the city's saying.

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Speaker 1: You got to hire somebody. You got to hire somebody

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Speaker 1: who coax her to incentivize her to get out. And

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Speaker 1: not only that, he's been billed six hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: dollars for not complying. Oh, for goodness sakes, La is

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Speaker 1: the mobs, isn't it. That's the mafia. Everybody's running a racket.

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Speaker 1: So it's not that the place is unsafe, it's that

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Speaker 1: this guy never paid the ransom to La City. Their

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Speaker 1: stupid forms and they're stupid applications, they're stupid permits.

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Speaker 3: She sent him an email a month after her move

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Speaker 3: out date. Your actions and alleged repairs are making are

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Speaker 3: made knowing that of my disability requirement accommodations.

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Speaker 2: I believe you did this to harass.

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Speaker 3: And scare me. That's when he wanted to go in

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Speaker 3: there and fix them. Mold, That's what started on.

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Speaker 1: There is no upside to renting out to strangers. There

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Speaker 1: really is not in California, I think most of it.

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Speaker 1: But you could really end up with a nightmare as

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Speaker 1: the problem.

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Speaker 2: You're playing a game of rule. Well, this is like

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Speaker 2: you know, dating online. This is the same thing. This is, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, with a rental agency, the old fashioned way, right,

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Speaker 1: the rental agent met with people and and vetted them,

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Speaker 1: did background checks on them. Now it's just any stranger

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Speaker 1: shows up and next thing you know, you might have

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Speaker 1: a shooting breakout, like they did up in Beverly Hills

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Speaker 1: a few months ago.

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Speaker 2: Right, they had that rap party.

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Speaker 1: You know, Suddenly you think you're renting it out, you know,

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Speaker 1: just for any old guy for the weekend, and.

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Speaker 2: Then there's three dead bodies in front of your house.

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Speaker 2: I look at this.

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Speaker 3: She argued that since his unit was not approved for occupancy,

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Speaker 3: she doesn't have to pay rent as the unit did

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Speaker 3: not have a certificate occupancy.

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Speaker 2: The maximum aliable rent for the unit is zero zero zero.

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, the city investigator concluded that the unit is subject

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Speaker 3: to LA's rent stabilization Ordinance, giving this woman more stronger

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Speaker 3: tenant protections.

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Speaker 2: Oh what a nightmare.

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Speaker 3: This is on purpose, and like I mentioned, after months

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Speaker 3: of back and forth, she asked for one hundred grand.

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Speaker 3: This is the hatred of property owners, which is a

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Speaker 3: tenet of communism. Is the hatred act it is, you know,

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Speaker 3: and the oppression of property owners.

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Speaker 2: That is what we're living in.

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Speaker 3: So from what we can gather from this story, they're

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Speaker 3: still living side by side. She's in the little guest

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Speaker 3: house and he's in the main house, and he goes,

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Speaker 3: I don't feel safe.

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Speaker 1: I would never get into the airbnb racket in California.

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Speaker 2: Never.

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Speaker 3: All right, we got more coming up. Johnny Ken KFI

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Speaker 3: AM six forty. We're live everywhere iHeart Radio app.

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Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 6: AM six forty.

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Speaker 1: On Instagram, there's a post from La in a Minute

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Speaker 1: La in a Minute, and it features today the KFI

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Speaker 1: transmitter and Lamar our our tower, and it's a little

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Speaker 1: historical piece on how we're we a CAFI are very

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Speaker 1: important for national security and so if you want to

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Speaker 1: go go to La in a minute on Instagram and

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Speaker 1: enjoy the video and the history of the KFI radio

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Speaker 1: tower and our role in uh in protecting this great.

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Speaker 3: Didn't we didn't we do a show from there? I

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Speaker 3: think I remember it was during the big mortgage meltdown

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Speaker 3: at two thousand and eight nine. I remember because they

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Speaker 3: remember the chests knocked out by a plane. Yes, and

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Speaker 3: they were redoing it then when it got fixed. I

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Speaker 3: think we went there. I think all the shows were

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Speaker 3: done from there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well they have like a transmitter studio there. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think it was in an RV that

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Speaker 1: we did it from. We did that, and uh, you

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Speaker 1: know one time I did. I did my half of

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Speaker 1: the show from there because it was going to the

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Speaker 1: Angels All Star Game, so I wanted to be close by.

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Speaker 1: So as soon as the show is over, I dru

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Speaker 1: to Anaheim Stadium.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. All right.

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Speaker 3: Well, from the category of what will they think of next,

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Speaker 3: the La County Board of Supervisors unanimously voted to ask

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Speaker 3: La County Executive to explore buying up residents medical debt.

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Speaker 3: AH Disupposedly, La County residents have two billion dollars in

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Speaker 3: unpaid medical bills. This brilliant idea comes from supervisor Janis

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Speaker 3: Hahn along with our friend Holly Mitchell, and they believe

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Speaker 3: the county can turn around, buy up the debt and

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Speaker 3: then settle it for pennies on the dollar. So they

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Speaker 3: think it would cost millions, not billions to settle the debt.

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Speaker 1: For the residents to buy two billion dollars a debt,

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Speaker 1: we'd have to spend twenty four million dollars.

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Speaker 3: That's the estimate from the Department of Public Health. Do

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Speaker 3: you really trust estimates from government?

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Speaker 2: I don't understand why do we have to spend this

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Speaker 2: money that makes me want to help our people who

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Speaker 2: are terrible.

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Speaker 1: I'm driving over terrible potholes in my in my neighborhood says.

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Speaker 3: Here, they're likely to go hungry. That would be food

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Speaker 3: and secure. Who is who are these hungry people?

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Speaker 2: They struggle to keep their housing and they skip their medication.

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Speaker 2: I drive on the street. Some report came out saying

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Speaker 2: that this is what's happening to you.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there are that many really hungry people

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Speaker 1: outside of you know, the drug addicted vagrants. Because I

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Speaker 1: drive around, I see I see obese people everywhere. It's

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Speaker 1: like almost everybody's overweight, everyone's eating too much. Everyone is well,

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Speaker 1: well they're they're nutritially unbalanced people.

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Speaker 2: Well, well they have to eat healthier. Well that that's

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Speaker 2: their choice, though you have that leads to diabetes and

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Speaker 2: more medical bills.

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Speaker 1: That's not a lack of money, that's that's just you know,

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Speaker 1: no discipline, bad choices.

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Speaker 2: I don't say here.

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Speaker 3: Half of those surveys said medical bills are stopping them

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Speaker 3: from buying basic necessities.

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Speaker 1: But they're not paying their medical bills. The whole point

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Speaker 1: of this is these this is old debt for the

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Speaker 1: most part that the high hospitals have written off, and

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Speaker 1: so that's why it's being sold to outside.

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Speaker 3: Collection agencies, outside collection agencies who basically said, we'll get

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Speaker 3: you some of the money, but it's going to be

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Speaker 3: a steep disk cass.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So we're taking some off the top.

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Speaker 1: So this is old debt payments they're never going to

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Speaker 1: be made by the people. So these people are not

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Speaker 1: foregoing their their their food and their other necessities. They

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Speaker 1: haven't paid this money for years and they're never going

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Speaker 1: to and the hospitals know this. But this is like

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Speaker 1: just a technical matter on the books they have to

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Speaker 1: write this effect, this.

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Speaker 2: Effect your credit rating if you don't pay your medical debt,

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Speaker 2: that going to It's people who don't care about credit ratings.

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Speaker 3: Well, what if they're trying to get a car or anything,

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Speaker 3: or they're trying to purchase anything major or you know, or.

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Speaker 1: If you violate too many rules of life, you're screwed.

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Speaker 1: In the end, you're screwed. And that that's why a

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Speaker 1: lot of people resent is that people like the county

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Speaker 1: boarder supervisors there, they constantly are rewarding people paying off

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Speaker 1: people violated every common sense rule of life.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is from the category of people that cannot

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Speaker 3: be responsible for themselves, so the government has to step

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Speaker 3: in and take over. It's like now Biden wants to

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Speaker 3: he's coming up with all these other ideas to relieve

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Speaker 3: student debt.

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Speaker 1: It's the decades and debt. It's decades of irresponsibility is

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Speaker 1: what it is. And it's math in literacy. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't get the student debt thing. When you take

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Speaker 1: out a loan, even if it's twenty pages of gobbledegook.

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Speaker 1: Right on the last page, it says, you are borrowing

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Speaker 1: this amount of money, you are paying this interest rate,

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Speaker 1: so over the next fifteen years, you're going to owe

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Speaker 1: a total of this. And you look at that and

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Speaker 1: you see, oh, it's gonna cost you, you know, twelve

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month for the next fifteen years. It's

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Speaker 1: there in black and white. Do people not understand what

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Speaker 1: that says?

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Speaker 2: And you're right?

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Speaker 3: They found an expert in this story, Wesley Yin, professor

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Speaker 3: of Public Policy and Management at UCLA's Luskin School of

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Speaker 3: Public Affairs. He says, in it seems like a low price,

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Speaker 3: and as John indicated, it's really old debt that most

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Speaker 3: people forgot about. So it's probably nothing that's ever going

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Speaker 3: to get collected. Anyway, said, will you do them more

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Speaker 3: if you if you go after their new debt, because

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Speaker 3: that would be much more expensive.

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Speaker 2: Well, if they never pay it off, if they never.

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Speaker 1: Paid it off, and they're never going to pay it off,

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Speaker 1: why are we paying it off.

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Speaker 2: Out the hospital?

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Speaker 1: But it's it's it's not gonna it's not gonna give

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Speaker 1: these residents any money. It doesn't clear up their credit issues.

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Speaker 1: Because they already maybe went ten years without paying the bill, right,

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Speaker 1: So I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, I don't understand what is this which.

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Speaker 3: Means somehow they're living their life and budgeting without paying

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Speaker 3: these medical bills that they're cleaning are causing them to

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Speaker 3: be food insecure. Yeah, and they're like, how disconnect there?

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Speaker 2: How could you be.

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Speaker 1: Food insecure when you're not paying your your your medical bills.

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Speaker 1: You're still making the same amount of money and you're

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Speaker 1: still not paying your medical bills. So it doesn't change

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Speaker 1: the financial calculus. Oil if there's another scam all right

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Speaker 1: coming up there from Janison.

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Speaker 2: This is a large strike.

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Speaker 3: Seventy five thousand workers at Kaiser permanent day locations are

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Speaker 3: around several states have walked out. We'll find out what

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Speaker 3: the issues are. We'll talk to Alex Stone, ABC News

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Speaker 3: for CAFI.

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Speaker 2: Next. Johnny KENKFI AM.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show.

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