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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly

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Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy hard and Bradford,

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Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or

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Speaker 1: with a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me for such In two ninety of

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Speaker 1: episode after a word from our sponsors. M m hmmm.

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Speaker 1: Let's see leafy greens, hot peppers, fresh fruit, and aromatic herbs. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not making a grocery list. I'm making a list

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Speaker 1: of all the incredible foods you can grow in the

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Speaker 1: comfort of your own home. Some of you might be

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Speaker 1: thinking to yourself, well, Dr Joy, I don't have agreed

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Speaker 1: thumb to grow my own food, so which I respond.

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Speaker 1: You're not born with a green thumb. You earn it today.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by internationally recognized urban farmer and food activists

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Speaker 1: Jamila Norman. Jamila or former j is the founder of

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Speaker 1: Patchwork City Forms at one point to Acre form planted

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Speaker 1: in downtown Atlanta. In our conversation, Jamila spoke about what

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Speaker 1: kinds of foods to grow in your home with limited space,

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Speaker 1: some of the key tools you need to get started

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Speaker 1: with gardening, what's to pay attention to during the crop

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Speaker 1: development process, and the rich, empowering history of black folks

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Speaker 1: steward in the land. If something resonates with you while

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Speaker 1: about the episode. You can join us at community dot

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Speaker 1: therapy for Black Girls dot com. Here's our conversation. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us today, Jamila, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for having me. I'm really excited for the conversation. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: I would love if you could get us started by

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Speaker 1: talking about who in your family got you into forming

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Speaker 1: Talk to about your ancestral ties to For me, yeah,

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Speaker 1: my ancestral ties to farming. It's really through my parents,

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Speaker 1: right my family from the Caribbeans. My mom is from Jamaica,

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Speaker 1: my dad is from Trinidad. They're the ones that grew

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Speaker 1: farmers on both sides, and my mother really talked a

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Speaker 1: lot about her childhood growing up in Jamaica. She was

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Speaker 1: raised by her grandmother, so my great grandmother and great grandfather,

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Speaker 1: she was raised by them, and they lived off the land.

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Speaker 1: They lived in a small village up in the mountains

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Speaker 1: in Jamaica, and then my parents met in New York.

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Speaker 1: So even though I grew up in New York, I

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Speaker 1: couple of years on and off over a two year period,

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Speaker 1: to visit my dad's home country and just being surrounded

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Speaker 1: growing up, even being born and raised in New York,

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Speaker 1: some point. It feels like you're still very connected to

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Speaker 1: those stories of your appearance and your great great appearance.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about why it might

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Speaker 1: be important to get kids involved with things like farming. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's really great to be involved with farming in a

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Speaker 1: the accessibility of it for people to be able to

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Speaker 1: grow something. Farming is definitely not an industry for everyone

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Speaker 1: as a careator choice, but gardening is definitely something anybody

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Speaker 1: garden things like that. So it brings a lot of joy,

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Speaker 1: connected to the cycles of nature. It just really gives

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Speaker 1: And then seeds starting. It's sort of like another level, right.

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Speaker 1: So herbs, I would say they start with transplants and

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Speaker 1: That's number one thing bad. You need some good sun

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Speaker 1: to grow food. Are there any plans that grow better

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Speaker 1: like they'll get the few sunlight. And Georgia, something you know,

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Speaker 1: then I might plant it near my cucumbers or near

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Speaker 1: you create in a city, the more runoff you have

431
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: because now the waters is not soaking into the soil,

432
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: loss of diversity of plants and animals. So in you're

433
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: doing a farm in the city, you're taking a space

434
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: that for some people starts off as just a parking

435
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: lot or a site that nobody's doing anything with, and

436
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: you're transforming that space into a lush, green environment that

437
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 1: is helping to clean up there are because plants, do

438
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, they're taking it in carbon dioxide and putting

439
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: out oxygen. You're taking an environment that now you're growing

440
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: all this food and that food is using up the rain,

441
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: and so it's using up a lot of that water

442
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: that falls on it, as opposed to you know, maybe

443
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: before it was just running off for whatever. It's just

444
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: providing beauty. And you plant a garden and you will

445
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: be surprised what shows up from the animal kingdom. I

446
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: mean all kinds of things you plant hour as you

447
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: bring back all concert pollinators and birds now have a

448
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: resting place, and you see caterpillars and butterflies and and

449
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: just all kinds of stuff. So it really burns back

450
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: all of that diversity. And then you know, just people

451
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: in general just are like people love a garden's face,

452
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: and people come about all the time and they're just like,

453
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's so beautiful. And I love when

454
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: older people stopped by, and then they're like remembering them

455
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: growing up having their garden maybe out in the country,

456
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: and they're just like, why are you doing this right

457
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: here in the city, And they're just so proud and

458
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: so excited to see young folks, as they say, take

459
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: it on this profession. And so it just sparks so

460
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: like this sort of magical kind of thing that it

461
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: brings a whole another type of life. To a city.

462
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: Besides like nightlife, garden life, you got the farm life

463
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: in the city too. So I love it. I live

464
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: five minutes away from my farm. My commune is easy.

465
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: I get to just be out side and get fresh air.

466
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: I get to be active and you know, get to

467
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: bring people along for the journey with me. So I

468
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: love it. M So, is there anything you would have

469
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: to be careful about growing in an urban environment? Right? Like?

470
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: Are there anything that you would not want to introduce

471
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: into the middle of a city? The only thing I

472
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: would say, like, I don't know, don't grow some weed

473
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: on it, you know. But really that's the only thing

474
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: I've ever cautioned in me. But I'm like, there's a

475
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: lot of eyes people watching. You do not want to

476
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: attract that kind of energy for any reason at all.

477
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: People will come thinking something else. Has some friends that

478
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: were trying to grow hemp, And I was like, it

479
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: looks the same and it smells the same, and people

480
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: might think the same thing, And so I would caution

481
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: against that. What besides that? Not really, I wouldn't say

482
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: there would be anything that I wouldn't grow. I would

483
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: say that some of the challenges of growing in urban

484
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: environment is all the things that are challenging about being

485
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: in an urban environment, people staling stuff and us a

486
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: little bit of vandilism. But you know that comes with

487
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: just being in an urban environment. I've got friends that

488
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: don't grow in urban environments, and you know, dealt with

489
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: some of the same stuff just like regular human existing stuff.

490
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: But besides that, one thing you do want to be

491
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: careful of, be mindful of the space that you're going

492
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: to be growing on. Right if you're in an urban environment,

493
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: some spaces have a tendency to maybe have had a

494
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: previous history where I don't know, let's just say it

495
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: was a gas station. I would not recommend you try

496
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: to start a guarden on a gas station or a

497
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: laundry mat, just because the chemicals, the oils, the gas,

498
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of stuff is in that soil.

499
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: It's in the ground, and plants really do take up

500
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: whatever is in the soil, and so E p A

501
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: has some recommendations around what to do. You would want

502
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: to test your soil. I definitely tested my soil before

503
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: I started growing, and you just want to make sure

504
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: that it doesn't have any high elevated levels of really

505
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: heavy metals. Is the biggest concern, and any other hydrocarbons

506
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Hydrocarbons will come from like oils

507
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: and gases and things like that. So yeah, I mean

508
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: that is the only thing I would say to really

509
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: be mindful of in the urban environment is know the

510
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: history of the site that you're getting ready to grow on,

511
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: if it's like a standalone site, and try to test

512
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: that soil. If you're not able to do that, then

513
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: most people would say grow in a raised bed or

514
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: growing containers so that you're not really growing in that

515
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: soil in the ground and you're growing in soil that

516
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: you brought in. Got it? So can you give us

517
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: some tips about how we might identify what would be

518
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: native or would typically thrive in our geographical location. So

519
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm guessing I'm also here in Atlanta, so what we

520
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: would grow here might be different than somebody who would

521
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: be maybe in Arizona. How do we know what will

522
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: thrive depending on our geographics? Okay? So what you want

523
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: to find out is you want to find out your

524
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: growing zone. And there's zones I think one through eight

525
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: and maybe nine down in Florida, right, So in Georgia

526
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: we're zone it used to be like seven b I

527
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: think we're like eight eight because it's just progressively gotten warmer.

528
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: So you google what growing zone am I in, and

529
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: then you know you're like plants and vegetables for that zone,

530
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: and it will give you a list of the things

531
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: you can grow. The difference between the zones is how

532
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: long of a growing period you have. So in the

533
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: South we pretty much can grow year round, right, if

534
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: you're up north, you might only have six months that

535
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: you can grow something, you know what I mean, And

536
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: so it just really reduces the time frame that you

537
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: can grow. And then sometimes, for instance, you might pick

538
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: a specific variety of a crop. So let's say and

539
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: grow sweet potatoes. Sup potatoes generally take four months, right,

540
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: twenty days. That's fine in Georgia, we got some for

541
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: as right for a long time. But if you're up north,

542
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: it's not warm early enough to put the plant in.

543
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: Pick a different swee potato variety that might produce in

544
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: ninety days. You're gonna pick varieties specific to your zone.

545
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: And then they're just some things you won't be able

546
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: to grow in certain zones, right, just because they just

547
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: don't do well with the cold, or they don't really

548
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: do well with the heat. So yeah, find your growing

549
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: zone and then just find out what those fruits and

550
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: vegetables and the varieties that you can grow in that zone.

551
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: But generally, again I mean not to be like, you know,

552
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: I should have stock in these big box stores, but

553
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: what they are carrying locally, all the things that can

554
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: grow in your region, right, they're shopping for the region.

555
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: And then if you want things that are saying not

556
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: in that store, then you know you're gonna have to

557
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: kind of do a little bit more research, go online,

558
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: find different varieties. More from my conversation with Jamila after

559
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: the break. So each episode of your Magnolian Network HBO

560
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: show has a different theme. So the themes are patients, Discovery, inspiration,

561
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 1: different themes, different life skills. Can you talk about the

562
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: skills that are important informing and why that was important

563
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: to kind of name them in that way? Skills that

564
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: are important? I would say definitely Patients is a good one,

565
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: like discovery, just just being open to the journey, not

566
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: being super tied to an outcome. I still have crop failures,

567
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: I still have things that I try a little bit different.

568
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: Even after teen years of doing something, things go wrong.

569
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: You're just you know, the weather it was different, or

570
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: you try a different variety and they were like, oh

571
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: this is supposed to do this, and you try and

572
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: you're like, well that didn't do that, or you know.

573
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: I mean, just be open to constantly learning, being patient,

574
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: and just be excited. People like well I just I

575
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: don't have green thumb. Well, hey, none of us have

576
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: one until we do, right, because it's just it's practiced.

577
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: If it's something that you're really committed to, you're just

578
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: gonna like do a lot of reading. Definitely connect with

579
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: your broader community, other people that are growing, problem solved

580
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: with other folks, Hey did this do this for you

581
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: because today you know, or people take notes. Journaling is

582
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: really good to know what you did where it works.

583
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: Sometimes plants can you know I planted it over here

584
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: and didn't do so well, let me try it over here,

585
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh this is a good spot

586
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: for this plan. So yeah, Just those qualities of just

587
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: constantly being open to learn, being patient, observant, and just

588
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: try to build a community around due of people that

589
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: are doing it that you can talk to and constantly

590
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: be learning, reading, educating yourself. I mean I read all

591
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: about garden, and I read gardening books for years long

592
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: before I even started a guarden. I just knew was

593
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: something I wanted to do, So I just was like

594
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: just filling myself with information thinking about it, and then

595
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, the opportunity presented itself and I went for it.

596
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: So so you're reaching something that I want to follow

597
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: up on, Jamilia. You talked about like the failure that

598
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: sometimes happens, like when a crop doesn't happen. Can you

599
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about, like how you feel

600
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: like you are paying attention or attending to your mental

601
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: health as a farmer, Like what kinds of things pop

602
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: up that people might not anticipate that they may want

603
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: to know about. The biggest thing really as a farmer

604
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: is the weather. That is the thing that like, you

605
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: can do all the right things and then something crazy happens,

606
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: like too much rain. Oh, like it's drive for a

607
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: really long time, you know what I mean. So a

608
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: drought in Atlanta. You know, we literally just had a

609
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: major super freezing cold storm event. It was like negative

610
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: ten below Me and all my farmer friends. You know,

611
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: we covered all of our because it's in our plants,

612
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: and you know, I had eight crop failure, like in

613
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: terms of full grown plants that are just gone. So

614
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: you know it happens. That part of farming can be

615
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: definitely like when you talk about mental health, like farmers

616
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: just being like, oh my god, what am I gonna do?

617
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: Because you know, your farm is your livelihood. You know

618
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: what you have in the ground, that's your money. Like

619
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm growing my money. It's that money doesn't grow on trees.

620
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: Just it does if you're a farmer. It grows on

621
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: the fruit trees, it grows on those kale bushes, you know,

622
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: to be like it does, I'm like, that's the money

623
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: out there because we have to go sell that and

624
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: that's how we make our money. So when you have

625
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: those failures, it can be really just like whoa because

626
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out have employees and myself, I've

627
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: got bills. You know, we'll running business right as a farmer.

628
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: And so that's why it's important to have a network.

629
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: We're talking to other farmers as a network of organizations

630
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: that really support farmers. So they're looking for ways how

631
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: they can kind of give us a little bit of

632
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: money to help us get transplants, get some seeds back,

633
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: get that back in the ground. I mean, you definitely

634
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: have lost that time. You can't gain that time back.

635
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: You gotta say a prayer. I literally just came back

636
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: from the cake shop. They sent me a message and

637
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: they were like, Jabilla, how's it God? I said, you

638
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: know what, y'all, I'm not thinking about it. So I'm

639
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: on vacasion and when I get back, I will get

640
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: to it because I can worry about it. It's happened, right,

641
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: And the end of the year is a time where,

642
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, the oneter time. It's a time, you know,

643
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: things are growing slower. It's a time that I generally,

644
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: me and my farm staff, you know, and team, we

645
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: take some time off because you know, it's the holidays.

646
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: Stuff is growing slower anyways, Winter slows everything down, so

647
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: it's a really good time for us to take some

648
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: time away and just sort of recoup. And I was like,

649
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do that because there's no point in

650
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: crying with respec me again. So tomorrow I'll be back

651
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: on the farm and you know, we'll just go from there.

652
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, for some people it can be it can

653
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: be really detrimental. Yeah, so we love it. You if

654
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: you would use your expertise to help us with a

655
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: little activity. So we have a couple of scenarios that

656
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: we want to share with you. See if you can

657
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: give us some input on what these people should do

658
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: with their form or their garden. All right, so Remark

659
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: put off gardening all of last year and is ready

660
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: to get started today. She believes she has procrastinated long enough.

661
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: She has a guest room in our apartment that has

662
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: a ton of natural light. She loves to cook a

663
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: retreat food. So she's looking for anything to reach back

664
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: to her family's roots. What would you suggest she grow? Okay, So,

665
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: actually it's interesting. I grew a specific type of basil

666
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: and a pepper this year that was both used heavily

667
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: and that cuisine and it was called holy Basil Best

668
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: ballah B s B O l A is the type

669
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: of basil, and it's one of those earths like girls

670
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: really well, really easy, smells amazing, and she will have

671
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: to find the seeds and have to start that from seeds.

672
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: But basil sprouts really well from seed. And then I

673
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: grew this hot pepper and it's brown and it's like

674
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: used heavily in that cuisine as well. Mirco fauna. What's

675
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: the name of the pepper and peppers are also a

676
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 1: summer crop that is super abundant. Most people that grow

677
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: peppers are like, okay, you just need one pepper plant

678
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: and will produce a ton. So in her apartment. The

679
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: only thing with the pepper is it does need to

680
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: be pollinated. Bees, butterflies, all kinds of things just need

681
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: to kind of come and move. She might have to

682
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: hand pollinate, like so you take a little a little brush,

683
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: a little paint brush, and you go from one flower

684
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: to the next, and that's how you hand pollinate. You're

685
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: just getting pollen for one flower, put on the next,

686
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: and just kind of do that a little bit. I

687
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: would do herbs. She could probably do some greens, Yeah,

688
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: some leafy greens. They don't need to be pollinated. Yeah,

689
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: leafy greens and pots. Keep them all near the window.

690
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: If she needs to supplement with a growl that I

691
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: would try a pepper and maybe a couple of tomatoes.

692
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: Peppers and tomatoes would need their own, like one pepper

693
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: plant in a at least a twelve inch pot, and

694
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: tomatoes as well, no crowd of in a twelve inch pot.

695
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: You could probably do maybe like three collars or kale

696
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: or some kind of leafy green and then basil can

697
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: be like a six inch pot or I mean you

698
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 1: can get bigger with basil. But yeah, okay, alright, that's story. Yeah,

699
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: that is a good story. That's one time a second person.

700
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: So Maranola is a Nigerian mother whose children have both

701
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: moved out. With her free time, she wants to get

702
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: into growing some fresh herbs. Morenola loves to have a

703
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: fresh cup of tea every morning, so growing anything that

704
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: she can add as a flavor to her tea, she

705
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: wants to sign up. She plans to grow outside on

706
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: her balcony, which gets a ton of sun, and she

707
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: also wants to be mindful not to grow anything that

708
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: will harm her dog. What would you suggest, Well, I

709
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: mean tea is really easy. I mean you can grow

710
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: you can grow man, she can grow lavender, you can

711
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: grow lemonrass, lemon ball. You can grow different types of basils.

712
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: Some basils are really nice, and tease rosemary if she

713
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: likes camerameal on the but alcony, you can grow toime.

714
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: You can grow a bunch of different nerves. So yeah,

715
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: lots of options. There, lots of options. Yeah, because now

716
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: we've moved outside, we're getting fresh air, pollinators are coming

717
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: on the balcony. You also getting raine. You'll probably get

718
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: a lot more sun, so kind of opens it up

719
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: a lot more, got it? Okay, so we have one

720
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: last one. So Na Lena is a new mom. She

721
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: wants to start a small garden to begin teaching her

722
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: son the value of growing your own food. She doesn't

723
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: have a lot of time. It needs something that will

724
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: not die on her easily and all so be fun

725
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: for her son to interact with. She plans to start

726
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: her garden on a window field that gets a ton

727
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: of natural light, which is also a rather small one

728
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: with suggestions would you have so yeah, so I would

729
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: do lettuce citizen greens. I would do some herbs. Kids

730
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: surprisingly a love love rashes, which who would have known.

731
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: I mean I started grow radishes with kids at school.

732
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: They're beautiful, they're red, and when kids grow stuff themselves,

733
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: they eat it. And radish is a little spicy, and

734
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: you know, kids like like spicy things. They're like, you know,

735
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: they're like talkies and they're like spicy chips. So like

736
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: radish is kind of like that, and that girls in

737
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: like thirty days. It's like, it's fun. So it's like

738
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: a root vegetable carrots. Carrots might be a good one too,

739
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: because they don't need a lot of space. And then

740
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: try cucumbers or tomatoes because generally kids are always like, yeah,

741
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: I always want to grow pickles, and I'm like, yeah,

742
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: grow cucumbers, and then you can write pickles, so they

743
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: like pickles. That that's a fun thing to grow with

744
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: kids as well. Chickunvers are produced faster and there will

745
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: be a lot more easier than like tomatoes, but generally

746
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: those are the two you're not big on tomatoes. Peppers

747
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: could be a good substitute for that as well. Yeah, okay,

748
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: I would not have thought that about radishes, but I

749
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: love that you introduced that. Kids love radishes and it's fun,

750
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: it's easy, it's found really fast, and it's beautiful. It's color,

751
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: and then you can get really crazy with radishes in

752
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: terms of the different carl their purple ones, white ones,

753
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: pink ones, red ones, there are ones that are around,

754
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: there are ones that are long and scanny, you know.

755
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: So they can get really fun with radishes and they're

756
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 1: super good for you too. H got it, Got it?

757
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: So something that you mentioned earlier, Jamila, that I want

758
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: to go back to. You talked about like how you

759
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: will have sometimes elders visit the garden and really kind

760
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: of feel like reconnecting to history and kind of reconnecting

761
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: to an older time. And that's something else that's I

762
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: think it really important about your work is that there

763
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: is a clear reverence of like the history of black

764
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: folks in gardening and informing. Can you talk a little

765
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: bit about maybe something that's overlooked related to black farming

766
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: that you think people should know. Yeah, the narrative that

767
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: we hear a lot around black farming is like, oh,

768
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: we've lost so much farmers, and you know that is true.

769
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: Black people have lost a lot of farmland through all

770
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: kinds of discriminatory practices. So we didn't lose it, it

771
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: was stolen from us. I like to use the right

772
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: words by our govern that I don't think people really

773
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: think Black people are that connected to farming and to

774
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: the land, and you know, we really are. We I've

775
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: been carrying ancestral knowledge for a long time. So part

776
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: of the reason we were brought to this country not

777
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: just labor, but really the knowledge that we had of

778
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: working the earth, of growing things, of cultivating, clothing gotten,

779
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: you know, shelter all the things. And so that was

780
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: knowledge that we came with, and that was knowledge that

781
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: we retained and really passed down through different generations. And

782
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: so in all of our culinary traditions as well, it's

783
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: very much food and land related in the sense of

784
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: like Southern cuisine, Caribbean cuisine, African cuisine. I mean, it's

785
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: so much of like what's fresh, what's available. You know

786
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about their grandparents, especially here

787
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: in the South. You know how we used to go

788
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: to the South, we visit our grandparents and we go

789
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: out into the garden and you pick your peas, or

790
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: you pick your greens, or you do this or you

791
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: do that. And you know, I have memories of doing

792
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: that when we lived in Trinidad. You know, we would

793
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: harvest vegetables with harvests, fruit off the tree, you know,

794
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: go up to the mango tree, get this, Go get

795
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: your tamra and go get this, and you know we

796
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: would be using that to fare our meals for the week.

797
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: We have a rich history. It's still alive. It's just

798
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: not publicized, you know what I mean. And Black people

799
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: are still connected to the land. They're out here doing it.

800
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: They love it, they have a deep respect and of

801
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: reverence for it, and we know it's part of our

802
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: healing and it's part of our story. It will always

803
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: be part of our story. Something else that you talk

804
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 1: about is food sovereignty, So can you say a little

805
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: bit about what that means to you and how it

806
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: impacts us as Black book. Food sovereignty is really about

807
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: having control of the food that you're consuming, having access

808
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: to it, and also food that's culturally relevant, food that

809
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: is necessary for your cultural expression through food because foodhist culture,

810
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: and just being in the position to be part of

811
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: creating food that is feeding your community. Right you're cultivating

812
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: that food with a certain type of intention of healing,

813
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: of growth, of culture, of togetherness, and so that is

814
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: going to carry on through the people that are engaging

815
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: with you, that are buying from you, that are all

816
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: of that. And people want to see themselves reflected in

817
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: the things that they're engaged with. If you're going healthy

818
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: or going to the farm table movement or what have you,

819
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: and it all looks like everybody else. It doesn't feel

820
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: like there's a space for you there that you should

821
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: be there. I was like, that ain't for me, you know,

822
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: And you hear people say that that and I think,

823
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: yeah it is. It's actually was I think before was

824
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: anybody else's thing. But I'll be going off on people stuff.

825
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: Look here, let's talk about history. So it's really important

826
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: for us to get connected. And again, like I said,

827
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: everybody doesn't have to be a farmer, doesn't have to

828
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: get into farming, but being connected to it, engaging with it.

829
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: Find your black farmers, support them if there's an opportunity

830
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: to bring that to your school or your community or

831
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: your neighborhood, supported in some way, and just uplift and

832
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: highlight and just do the work of being connected in

833
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: some way. So, speaking of connection, how can we stay

834
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: connected to you? What is your website as well as

835
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: any social media handles you'd like to share. I am

836
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: Patrick City Farms dot com. It's Patrick City Farms on

837
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: Instagram and on Facebook and on the website. I have

838
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: all the information about how you can support me kind

839
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: of locally and buying fresh produce. I do online sales

840
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: and you can come to some local farmers markets. Also

841
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: with Magnolia Network you can watch the show Homegrown where

842
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: you're showing people how to kind of garden from themselves,

843
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: and that's available through HBO Max and Discovery Plus. The

844
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: best way to contact me is an email and not

845
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: through the d m s on the socials. I'm a

846
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: little bit older than I probably present, and I am

847
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: like I couldnot do business on the stuff, So yeah,

848
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: emails farmer J at Patford City Farms dot com. It's

849
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: the best way, but we will be sure to include

850
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: all of that in the show notes. Thank you so

851
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: much for spending some time with us today. Thank you

852
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: for having me. I'm so glad Jamila was able to

853
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: share her expertise with us today. If you're interested in

854
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: watching her new show, Homegrown, it's now streaming on HBO

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Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Frida Lucas and Elise Ellis

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Speaker 1: and editing was done by Dennis and Bradford. Thank y'all

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