Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: Welcome back All the Smoke live on set. Jack, what's
Speaker 1: good back in l A doing it our way? Trying
Speaker 1: to man, Man, we gotta I say special a lot,
Speaker 1: but I really feel like this dude right here is
Speaker 1: you know, one of the greatest. Uh. It's just an
Speaker 1: honor all the way from Pensacola, Florida. Man. Welcome Roy Jones,
Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate, thank you, thank you. Got you got
Speaker 1: some gifts. Yeah, I got some talk to us about
Speaker 1: what's in these bags. You see the roots switch me
Speaker 1: up to hook y'all, little too too. You want me
Speaker 1: to make shine mean, so come and knock. Get y'all
Speaker 1: doing that. It's all say, it's all the same boat back.
Speaker 1: We're not. Just know, I just need to like we
Speaker 1: appreciate that, and we appreciate that we're familiar with them.
Speaker 1: Um all they do a lot of stuff with legends
Speaker 1: and another legend that we've found with a class to
Speaker 1: so appreciate you. Brother. We also got a gift for you.
Speaker 1: You we can't take a gift for that. Give a
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Speaker 1: let's get to it. Pencacol Florida. Um, tell us about
Speaker 1: your bringing, man, It was, it was, it was. It
Speaker 1: was a pretty different type of on upbringing. You know.
Speaker 1: I grew up on the farm, so I had the animals,
Speaker 1: you know, game cocks. You know. I was just one
Speaker 1: of those little kids that God kind of blessed dirt.
Speaker 1: You know. People always tell you that God prepares you
Speaker 1: for what, for what already got ahead, you know. And
Speaker 1: for me going up, watching the animals have taught me
Speaker 1: a lout of a box in my fighting, so I
Speaker 1: would always take in everything because my thing. Man, I
Speaker 1: ain't get nothing. Nobody really do, really do, but able
Speaker 1: to have their own way of how they find their
Speaker 1: way through life. One of my ways through nature. You know.
Speaker 1: I had a I had a dope. My pension once
Speaker 1: basically saved my life. You know, some wild was about
Speaker 1: to follow me, and people don't believe the story. But
Speaker 1: the world I was small shouldn't been messed with the
Speaker 1: woodn't way about to fall back home. Man, the dog
Speaker 1: jumped up and put it with on the weight on
Speaker 1: the wood. Help get the word back from following me
Speaker 1: more loyal. If it would have felt on me I've
Speaker 1: been done, nobody would have got me there want to
Speaker 1: find me all day because my dad adn't got work
Speaker 1: like five o'clock in the afternoon, so nobody would have
Speaker 1: found me. But anyway, you know, I always been loyal
Speaker 1: to the animals because of what they do for me.
Speaker 1: So people always like how you just no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: it's not about that's about caring for things. And where
Speaker 1: you learn it from. God was teaching me from my
Speaker 1: observation what those animals were doing. So that's how I
Speaker 1: learned the game. And that helped me learn the game.
Speaker 1: And so when you start taking what God teaches you
Speaker 1: and you put it and you can put it in
Speaker 1: an actional, put in motion, it becomes a beautiful thing
Speaker 1: to my my upbringing. With that first, then when I
Speaker 1: got my teens, I kind of got to well. I
Speaker 1: started having no more challenges. We moved back to the city,
Speaker 1: out of the country and more time and my father
Speaker 1: being My coach was a tough thing because he was
Speaker 1: on the seven. When you're on a kid seven, A
Speaker 1: lot of fathers don't realize that you can't still on
Speaker 1: the four seven because you don't allow him time to
Speaker 1: be a kid. So that time not allow me to
Speaker 1: be a kid kind of drove me to be a
Speaker 1: different animal, you feel me. So it made me a
Speaker 1: good animal or a bad animal too, because I grew
Speaker 1: up with a lion mentality. A lion of mentality is
Speaker 1: once you leave in this, you don't go back the line,
Speaker 1: don't come back home. He leave that, will get there
Speaker 1: on that and say that's how I was raised up.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate him for teaching me it that way.
Speaker 1: I just I don't think we had to be quite
Speaker 1: as bad where we couldn't communicate to day. It's something
Speaker 1: able don't communicate to date. It's a hurtful thing in
Speaker 1: a sense. But when you know what like I know it,
Speaker 1: you know how deeply rooted understand Yeah, you understand it,
Speaker 1: So you can't really fault nobody for what they did.
Speaker 1: And I'm really appreciative for what I was talking the
Speaker 1: way I was talking, because it made me into something
Speaker 1: that I probably never knew I could be. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's that's that's really my upbringing. Where did you find
Speaker 1: the love for sports, in particular boxing, Well, honestly speaking,
Speaker 1: I was of my My father was my first hero,
Speaker 1: but he not. My father played basketball, and my father
Speaker 1: was thot you was nice to you thought you thought
Speaker 1: was like I realized it. Never it never stopped amazing
Speaker 1: me that once I see I taught y'all all, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what you did right back? But you played
Speaker 1: you played it back then. It was the D League. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I played against him. I was North Carolina. What you
Speaker 1: play for? I played for ah, the Bratonton Ducks there
Speaker 1: so the two thousand two Ye yeah, I played the league.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, that was right before I gut went
Speaker 1: up to the Clippers. But yeah, yeah, yeah, but an't
Speaker 1: better play, mother fucking Roy Jones. I enjoyed basketball first
Speaker 1: because that's what my father was playing. And my father
Speaker 1: was a hell of a shooter. My father was Sydney,
Speaker 1: of course, but he was damn the averaging four without
Speaker 1: three point line. You know, that's just how good shot
Speaker 1: he was. So I love basketball. But then we sat
Speaker 1: down once, well I didn't sit down he was sitting
Speaker 1: there watching the fight, and I realized what it was.
Speaker 1: It was Audie and Joe Fraser. I think in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy four, I'm five years years old. I'm watching it
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing Mohammed he beat you with his mind.
Speaker 1: And at that age, already at five, I was a
Speaker 1: hell of agitated. I can get on anybody nerves. You
Speaker 1: know that mean, but they couldn't catch me. But I
Speaker 1: can get on anybody nerves. So I started seeing that.
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, if somebody teach me to use
Speaker 1: my hands, I can do what he's doing because I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna get mad enough to you. I don't think
Speaker 1: me because I'm I don't get mad. I just it's
Speaker 1: smarter I could eat. So it's like when I teach
Speaker 1: my fighters now, I tell him my mental to what
Speaker 1: it was the truth. If you hit me one time,
Speaker 1: I would you six pack? Yeah. They that that's not
Speaker 1: getting even, that's getting a hit. I don't want to
Speaker 1: get even. I want to get a hit. Yeah you understanding,
Speaker 1: score boy, Yeah, that's where I came from. You were
Speaker 1: inducted or vote excuse me, in the International Boxing Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame after you know one of the greatest careers ever.
Speaker 1: What was that moment like to you? It was very different, man.
Speaker 1: It was like something we all look forward to, both
Speaker 1: of y'all. I'm sugar be that one thing, and y'all
Speaker 1: just pick the sports as well, and it's like we
Speaker 1: all look forward to the Hall of Fame, and um,
Speaker 1: that's kind of icing on the cake. Um, But if
Speaker 1: you don't, if I didn't get there, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been upset about it. Just it's just it's like I said,
Speaker 1: it's more of an ice on the cake because the
Speaker 1: cake is already there. Understand me, career you feel, so
Speaker 1: it's just ice. And we were with ourselves. We know
Speaker 1: we're never get done. Were in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah we are. Judges are still up somewhere.
Speaker 1: Who did you autolize besides your father growing up? Well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna sound kind of funny. My first idel was Tarzan,
Speaker 1: King of the Jungle. Yeah, you got a white duty
Speaker 1: with all the Africans. He running everything, African running everything.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, wow, he got to be pretty tough,
Speaker 1: you know, your white guy. He in Africa, he only
Speaker 1: running the people. He run the people in the animals
Speaker 1: like the whole damn thing. So I'm like, I gotta
Speaker 1: be something like what he doing, but I ain't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know I ain't white, but I still gotta be
Speaker 1: something like what he is. He had charged every damn thing.
Speaker 1: That's what he was. He was speaking two languages for everybody.
Speaker 1: You're feeling. My first idol, you understand, beside my dad
Speaker 1: I loved. I thought I was a Tarzan Man. Then
Speaker 1: my second idol was right for man, because I thought
Speaker 1: right for me it was a bad boy, raf man,
Speaker 1: raf manet you had problems? Right for man? What's right
Speaker 1: for man? Right? It was as a shoulder came over,
Speaker 1: he was he had a right for he was right
Speaker 1: for he was like he was like a police pretty
Speaker 1: much dip in of the area, but anything go on,
Speaker 1: he gonna because he was right for men. Right. So
Speaker 1: that became my second thing. And after I grew all that, Mommy,
Speaker 1: that he became idel. Yeah, I understood as an amateur.
Speaker 1: You energy career one one and thirteen? What was the grind?
Speaker 1: Like man, It was a tough grind because most of
Speaker 1: the thirteen was really not not losses. But once again,
Speaker 1: like I just told you before, it was God prepared
Speaker 1: me for what I had coming ahead. Because when I
Speaker 1: got to show Olympics, look what happened to me. But
Speaker 1: I had been through it about ten times in that
Speaker 1: thirteen so I knew what it was and I knew
Speaker 1: that it could have. I just did never think that
Speaker 1: that could happen on that big of a stage in
Speaker 1: front of everybody on not national but worldwide. You just
Speaker 1: don't think that can happen. Well, you're talking about I mean,
Speaker 1: take us back, man, I didn't mean to jump in Jack.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the a D Olympics situation. Talk to
Speaker 1: us about that because obviously we've seen what happened. But
Speaker 1: from your point of view, what do you feel like? Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know what really happened. I know that they
Speaker 1: were supposed to anger about something that took place in
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty four Olympicks here in l A, OK.
Speaker 1: So because of that, they decided they take it back
Speaker 1: out on us in eight and I happened to be
Speaker 1: the person that they would take it out on. You understanding,
Speaker 1: But the good thing about this is, like I said,
Speaker 1: God has God always prepares us for us to come
Speaker 1: best of all planners. So because I had already been
Speaker 1: through it ten times at the thirteen, I knew what
Speaker 1: it was like and my father's always timid. Don't cry,
Speaker 1: just be cool, don't weary better So when it happened,
Speaker 1: I had been well versed in how to react to it,
Speaker 1: because what people didn't understand was my shirt didn't say Jones.
Speaker 1: My shirts said U s A. I remempresent royal Jones
Speaker 1: remempers us of the country. So if I asked the food,
Speaker 1: that's gonna have been on us as a country. So
Speaker 1: God put on the person who would have handled it
Speaker 1: the best way. I think, prepared to him the best way.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that them teeing to that thirteen was
Speaker 1: getting ready for that, but that's what they were getting
Speaker 1: ready for. So when I got to that, I would like,
Speaker 1: hang't it man? So what idea was after the decision,
Speaker 1: you're going to back the drug test you and you
Speaker 1: get dressed and you come out for the ceremony. So
Speaker 1: when I went to the back, I had to interpret that.
Speaker 1: I say, asked me if you think he won't, because
Speaker 1: if he said yeah, the camera on them more. I
Speaker 1: got to get that again. If he said yeah, camera don't,
Speaker 1: now I gotta get again, he said, no, I know
Speaker 1: I didn't win, but it wasn't me with the church
Speaker 1: sugar his hand and walked off. I've never seen him Soul,
Speaker 1: South Korea since that day. I didn't see him again
Speaker 1: to October this year, really first time again October. He
Speaker 1: told me that he went through so much trauma and
Speaker 1: term more because of that. But he said every time,
Speaker 1: he said, every time I got in the box of
Speaker 1: the professional he was teaching school in Korea, he said,
Speaker 1: every time his students roasted him the whole time from
Speaker 1: when they heard I was a fighting fight. So he
Speaker 1: went through more trauma I did. And that's what people
Speaker 1: don't understand. When you do things, it's the same to
Speaker 1: me as people who no pull out then and kill
Speaker 1: people nowadays, when you do things you're not affecting right now,
Speaker 1: you're taking the whole chain of people you're feeling. It's
Speaker 1: not just what's happening right here. You've got kids, you've
Speaker 1: got fail you've got everybody that disaffects. It had a
Speaker 1: bad effect on me at the time, but it had
Speaker 1: a worst effect on him to long long. So he
Speaker 1: was like when he's talking this year, he said, man
Speaker 1: if I can I just want to try to arrange
Speaker 1: some way to give you the medal backs. My family
Speaker 1: told me I should have been gave you to meddle,
Speaker 1: you know, because I've just imagined the kids in the
Speaker 1: class now you're talking. I didn't imagine as soon as
Speaker 1: he started trying to teach you something, trying to hear
Speaker 1: that right here, whipping your ass. No, but okay, well
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's that's big of him. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So is that something that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the I think they changed
Speaker 1: from I able to something else now, but they're saying
Speaker 1: that they might try to arrange for it happen. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It meant more for me that he decided
Speaker 1: that he wanted to give it to me anything so
Speaker 1: cause nobody made him do it. He chose to own conscience.
Speaker 1: Got enough that he's saying, and he said his family
Speaker 1: told him he should have been given back, so he
Speaker 1: didn't want to get in touch with Seven years later, Yes, yes, crazy.
Speaker 1: So you make your pro debut May sixth, nineteen nine.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about that night that the ring
Speaker 1: was packed? The guy was he wasn't dressed right to
Speaker 1: be a real finale. I was one of these guys
Speaker 1: that I was very observing about boxing. I ain't care
Speaker 1: about nothing life but boxing. I'm I'm gonna pay attention
Speaker 1: to everything with my opponent. Anything that's life, I ain't
Speaker 1: paying attention to. You can change the color of my
Speaker 1: room tomorrow, man, I know. But when it comes to
Speaker 1: a fight, you got on tennis shoes and you don't
Speaker 1: have a fit at my piece, You're not beat me.
Speaker 1: You got tennis shoes and you gotta and you don't
Speaker 1: have a fear of body. You're not beat me because
Speaker 1: you don't care now about what you're doing. You have
Speaker 1: no no businesses beating me, and you get on tennant shot.
Speaker 1: So this dude come in and I didn't like to
Speaker 1: wear his trunks. Look, I'm like he he don't care
Speaker 1: how he looks, So how even to beat me? You
Speaker 1: can't come here just like all like that and beat me.
Speaker 1: And I'm an Olympian, Yeah, he in the whole country.
Speaker 1: You come in here like this, You gotta come show
Speaker 1: me that you come to beat me. You gott at
Speaker 1: least be nice, look nice. And then I know, okay,
Speaker 1: you got the stuff together, But you ain't got your
Speaker 1: stuff together. You ain't got a chance. And he really
Speaker 1: didn't have it stuff together, so and nothing against him,
Speaker 1: but it just didn't have it stuff together. So I
Speaker 1: just knew a feeling. No, I don't know how I feeling.
Speaker 1: But you can't you you you can't win here to night.
Speaker 1: What was that training camp like for you? I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously if you said you in the Olympics, much change,
Speaker 1: not much change going into your pro career, not much change,
Speaker 1: Just that you have to get used because when I
Speaker 1: first started boxing, there was no head get rude, but
Speaker 1: during my time boxing amateur, the head gear rude came in.
Speaker 1: So you have to get used to wearing headcare I'll
Speaker 1: tough is up. It's not hard to wear head gear
Speaker 1: was What's hard to get used to it is not
Speaker 1: wearing it again. But then, not only do you not
Speaker 1: wear a head gear, but these girls a little smaller
Speaker 1: than the amateur girls too, So you ain't got on
Speaker 1: no head gear and the girls are smaller, so you've
Speaker 1: gotta be a little bit more on points. So remember
Speaker 1: what I tell you about how he looked. That's even
Speaker 1: worse now you exactly what are some of your more
Speaker 1: memorable um experiences and opponents is throughout your career. My
Speaker 1: most some of the most memorable situations are It's like,
Speaker 1: you know how some time you have a game, you
Speaker 1: don't feel good, but you gotta go the way you
Speaker 1: feel me. So it's like for me, and that's why
Speaker 1: I have a hard time identified with a lot of younger,
Speaker 1: younger athletes. And you know, it's just hard for me
Speaker 1: because in our day, it didn't matter if you was hurting.
Speaker 1: If you can walk, you can play. That's how that's
Speaker 1: how we understand me. So it's like I understand, but
Speaker 1: I come from that era that my theater not gonna
Speaker 1: let me sit nowhere and not fighting what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it got so bad too. My desire to overrule
Speaker 1: myself became bigger than his because I'm in One time,
Speaker 1: i was going to im to the Golden Gloves Nationals
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about the ball in py school in
Speaker 1: the twelth grade of things, I wanted to block a
Speaker 1: spike and the guy missed the ball and hit my
Speaker 1: hand and his finger went down smaller than these two fingers.
Speaker 1: I grabbed it, I snapped the back and one thing
Speaker 1: happy it went down The phone down the side of him.
Speaker 1: I snatched it back my knuckles spoiler that bigger round.
Speaker 1: I gotta go to National next week and fight the
Speaker 1: best in the country. I ain't hitting nobody. I'm training
Speaker 1: like anything wrong. I'm trying. I just did this Thursday
Speaker 1: Friday said I leave Monday. I gotta start fighting the
Speaker 1: National Golden Goods. I get there, my dad to wrap
Speaker 1: my hand for the first fight. My dad looked at
Speaker 1: my hand and said, God, you know what. You can't
Speaker 1: fight like that. When I said, man, thin and rapp
Speaker 1: in my hand, I mean to say, you can tell
Speaker 1: me what I can and can't do my hand. I
Speaker 1: got this not you understand me. He wrapped my hand.
Speaker 1: I want the hold nat to go to gloves. But
Speaker 1: the jam finger up. They had been jammed so far.
Speaker 1: This I got knockdown was shorter than these two fingers.
Speaker 1: My knuckle was so big it was ridiculous. Every idea hurt.
Speaker 1: But once again, like I keep telling you, God, I
Speaker 1: was prepared for what to come when I beat But
Speaker 1: I hopped in the first time on the so and
Speaker 1: saying right was hurt being with the lift, No, not
Speaker 1: my right hand. I couldn't throw a punch because my
Speaker 1: right was hurt so bad this one from that Jym'm
Speaker 1: not gonna from something else. But I had an injury
Speaker 1: from my first world title fight. I told my partner,
Speaker 1: Derek smoke Ganner. He was like, what, don't take the fight?
Speaker 1: I said, as crazy and as much of a rebel
Speaker 1: as I am, if I don't take the fight now,
Speaker 1: they may never give me an opportunity to because they
Speaker 1: don't want to see me. Y'all know how to go. Really,
Speaker 1: they don't want to see the real one gown and
Speaker 1: then you're doing the outside the box. You're not doing
Speaker 1: what they want you to do. And I didn't want
Speaker 1: to see you get there. So I said, they're not
Speaker 1: gonna never give another shot. I gotta go, just like
Speaker 1: I did that National going to good with one hand,
Speaker 1: but not one hand. So and that was it was
Speaker 1: coming up next. I mean in ninete, your first matchup.
Speaker 1: I mean unanimous decision with one hand. That's what you're
Speaker 1: telling us right now. So I'm trying to tell one
Speaker 1: hand he know it? Yeah, you know, where do you?
Speaker 1: We've talked to obviously Rest in Peace, Code, We've talked
Speaker 1: to people like Code Able to take his mind in
Speaker 1: other places during situations. I mean, I'm sure it happens
Speaker 1: to boxes all time. Summer obviously can handle better than
Speaker 1: other Where do you take your mind when you know
Speaker 1: you can sparingly throw you know one of your weapons? Well,
Speaker 1: um for me, man, this is why I trained my
Speaker 1: fighter to where I trained them. I tried to teach
Speaker 1: you how to win one hand, even in training every day,
Speaker 1: because one day it might come down. Then if you
Speaker 1: hit and hurt him with this one. I got a
Speaker 1: friend name Gabe Brian. I hit to you all the time.
Speaker 1: He would tell him that, man, my right hand hurt.
Speaker 1: I said, what about your left? Because you know it's okay,
Speaker 1: so we'll get your stuff on you. I'm saying me
Speaker 1: because I don't hear excuses. It's not where I'm from.
Speaker 1: So when you get mentally, when your mental tells you
Speaker 1: you gotta go or what you do for a living,
Speaker 1: it's nothing that should stopped it, you know. I mean, so,
Speaker 1: I've been in several situations where I've had upset stomachs.
Speaker 1: I had all kinds of stuff happened to me. I
Speaker 1: had stitches before I found a guy. I was playing
Speaker 1: basketball Wednesday. I got your wins got cut wins the third.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't got stitches on the inside and outside. Friday,
Speaker 1: I went to win with glasses on, said I fought
Speaker 1: with stitches in my eye. I'm cut before I go
Speaker 1: in there. More people want to come out when they
Speaker 1: get cut in there, I'm going up. Did you bust back?
Speaker 1: But not? It can't happen like that. So we have
Speaker 1: to have a mental that's so strong that nothing else matters.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, man, that's what my mental when I when
Speaker 1: I was in my prime, when I got ready to go,
Speaker 1: nothing that's matter. I don't care if I come. I
Speaker 1: actually felt better if something's wrong with me, because now
Speaker 1: I know that put more person for me to happen.
Speaker 1: Not I gotta think if you ain't not gotta do.
Speaker 1: I could have a guy figured out. Then's something happened
Speaker 1: to me. I'm like, dag it, man, it's just God
Speaker 1: to me. Now you gotta be on your p's and
Speaker 1: Q still because you don't have this. You gotta do
Speaker 1: with just them three? All right, Yeah, I'll go. November nine,
Speaker 1: an epic upset over James Tony. Do you remember about
Speaker 1: that night? Man? It was crazy because Jane was he
Speaker 1: wasn't just a boxer. He was a fighter. He would
Speaker 1: find people before the fight. He would find people, the
Speaker 1: way in to find people everywhere. He would he was
Speaker 1: he was crazy dude. He didn't really care and he
Speaker 1: would pound pound the best and to this day probably
Speaker 1: really pound pound the best out As far as having
Speaker 1: skills and know how to do at all, he knew
Speaker 1: how to do everything. But I watched him fight. I
Speaker 1: ran Barkley, and really I ran Barkle with the beast.
Speaker 1: I ran be telling her and twice I ran could
Speaker 1: take a shot. I ran. Was pretty tough, pretty formable guy.
Speaker 1: He'd beat I ran so bad. I feel bad. I
Speaker 1: had to go in the back, man, I gotta find
Speaker 1: it next night. But he'd been in dude so bad.
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for the dude. You feel me so
Speaker 1: I had to go in the bead leave it. I
Speaker 1: just couldn't couldn't watch, you know, so um when time
Speaker 1: came to fight him, I was okay. I didn't even
Speaker 1: see me watching this, because you're not gonna do me
Speaker 1: like that. He a little bit difficult, he's a little
Speaker 1: bit limbits. I'm not saying me. I'm not that dude.
Speaker 1: I need Joe spot. I'm not saying to you, like
Speaker 1: you know, I don't like to see it, But I'm
Speaker 1: not worried because you're not gonna never get to be
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ever be there. If you hit me
Speaker 1: with what you're hitting him with, it's not happening. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't worry. I just didn't like the fact I don't
Speaker 1: like to see. I don't like to see nobody get
Speaker 1: beat up on your feeling like I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: like I like box somebody don't like bottoms like with me,
Speaker 1: Like I love the UFC, but when the guy get
Speaker 1: knocked out and then get down and hit him while
Speaker 1: y'all still that kind of bother. Yeah that last one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the only thing. I love it. But that's that's
Speaker 1: on that bottom me. Why I don't hit the unconscious
Speaker 1: personal conscious, you don't get you get me to me
Speaker 1: that that's kinda So it's like I'm not that dude man,
Speaker 1: and like people don't understand. But it's a lot of
Speaker 1: things I don't stomach with. You fear me. So I'm
Speaker 1: not the guy that can go out and just do
Speaker 1: stupid stuff. But at the same time, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: you out. So when you can't have to fight him.
Speaker 1: I knew that we might. I might have to to find
Speaker 1: him before the fight. I might to find him doing
Speaker 1: the fight. I might to find him after the fight.
Speaker 1: But I'm ready to fight one that because I need
Speaker 1: to be the boss, and he was the man. To
Speaker 1: be the man, you gotta beat the men, and that's
Speaker 1: where I came from. So when I got rid of
Speaker 1: that's really part of why I mean and my father
Speaker 1: fell out because I found out that they offered me
Speaker 1: a fight with James Hunter before and my father said no, no,
Speaker 1: I got to beat him, not you. You came telling
Speaker 1: him no, you can make him scare him, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna say no to you in it. Well, like I always,
Speaker 1: I'm keep going back to the point. I'm sorry y'all,
Speaker 1: but God, I always prepare you for what he got
Speaker 1: coming coming in the future. For you understand me. I
Speaker 1: watched Howard David Jr. Senior. I mean, I watched Howard
Speaker 1: David Senior whole Howard Davis Jr. A little too long
Speaker 1: before we let him for for a time, Howard David Junior.
Speaker 1: I think wont the Veil Blocker Cup, which is the
Speaker 1: most standing boxing at the Olympics in seventy six. It
Speaker 1: was seventy six, so I wanted Samething eighty eight, but
Speaker 1: he wanted seven six, and he was the best boxing
Speaker 1: at the Olympics in seventy six. Sugar let him want
Speaker 1: to become CHAMPI Lee or Randolph's springing brothers. Everybody became
Speaker 1: Champ except Howard. Why because his father was in control
Speaker 1: of his career. Because father want to go to heat field.
Speaker 1: Read where you can't let him fight when you read
Speaker 1: it because you ain't fighting. He So I observed that,
Speaker 1: and God was teaching me that. I didn't know it,
Speaker 1: but God was showing me there from this. I didn't
Speaker 1: meet a a day to time I got twenty seven
Speaker 1: years old, but I understood his life told because God
Speaker 1: was shortly to me and playing, if you, if you
Speaker 1: go down that road, this what's gonna happen to you.
Speaker 1: So when it came town once I realized my dadd
Speaker 1: had tried to fight down one time. You can't be
Speaker 1: speaking for me because I know in my mind I'm
Speaker 1: a better fighting this dude. I need to beat this dude.
Speaker 1: Why I know I'm a better fighting him. I don't
Speaker 1: wait either way to you think I'm a better fighting him.
Speaker 1: I know now, So the second time they asked me, yes,
Speaker 1: you're fighting he the best. I want to be the best,
Speaker 1: but you're middleweight. Don't pay that enough to new attention.
Speaker 1: I ain't on middleweight, I'm pound pound. Yes, I fighting,
Speaker 1: And that's how that happened. James m was animal, still
Speaker 1: is animal. He was how much heavier was he than you? Well,
Speaker 1: one week a spot he was at sixty eight and
Speaker 1: I was at sixty year But now, but what else?
Speaker 1: People don't realize the politics of the game. He was
Speaker 1: with top rank right, So when I beat Hopkins Um,
Speaker 1: James torn had went up to one eight and beat
Speaker 1: Iran Brock. I think for the title they gave. They
Speaker 1: gave James Tony in days to decide whether you wanted
Speaker 1: to keep the super Midway title or the Middleway title. Right,
Speaker 1: he said, I keep super Midway types for me and
Speaker 1: but no for the Middleway typle right. When I signed
Speaker 1: to fight him for the Supermderways, just like he did
Speaker 1: when he went with a fat box, I signed to
Speaker 1: fight him for the Superway title. They stripped me at
Speaker 1: the Middleway title. Once again, when you're on your own,
Speaker 1: feel that's how they do you. So now all the
Speaker 1: deals making worse for him because if I lose now,
Speaker 1: I ain't got no Bill he lost the bark. He
Speaker 1: still at the middleway. Bill, I lose, ain't got nothing nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm rock bottom, but I can't go rock bottom, so
Speaker 1: I can't lose that. So it just they just made
Speaker 1: it better for me. Nine nine, you became the undisputed
Speaker 1: light heavyweight champion. You want to find a w B,
Speaker 1: a w BC and ib F. What was that feeling like?
Speaker 1: That was something I always wanted to do, but I
Speaker 1: didn't think I'd ever get the opportunity to do it
Speaker 1: because of the promotional situation. If you wouldn't with this promoter,
Speaker 1: or you wouldn't did a depth promoter, you wouldn't get
Speaker 1: the fight. Represented yourself, not a path sometime. But you
Speaker 1: have talked about enough though, because that's that's that's serious.
Speaker 1: I mean back then they're doing it now. Back then, yeah,
Speaker 1: back then they weren't doing it, and even now they
Speaker 1: don't do it that much because the fact of the
Speaker 1: matter is if they represented themselves now we get the fights.
Speaker 1: We want to see a box but they don't do that.
Speaker 1: Then if y'all remember, and y'all know because y'all was doing,
Speaker 1: y'all thinking my time, so at the same time I
Speaker 1: would so it was so bad with me that I
Speaker 1: would get on TV after the fight and give you
Speaker 1: my phone up if you want to fight, that's that's
Speaker 1: how bad I wanted to wat you best. That's pre promotional.
Speaker 1: You don't want to prove out the busins. Ain't even
Speaker 1: to kill them. I just want to get the best.
Speaker 1: So if you thought you could so. It was a
Speaker 1: guy in Germany, Darius Miklechki. The w BO was new,
Speaker 1: he had BO built. If you're offered him, I mean
Speaker 1: to come to you, not sit to fight me. He said, No,
Speaker 1: I got someven dolts that want me to take myseven
Speaker 1: dolts and go to Germany to fighting for his one
Speaker 1: in his in general, he lived. You think what happened
Speaker 1: to me? I just went to different and got robbed.
Speaker 1: You think I'm gonna do that again? No, So if
Speaker 1: you really want to smoke, come get it right here.
Speaker 1: I got seven of them, I got the bills. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what I'm coming to you from. So people always talk
Speaker 1: about but they don't they don't tell the truth. I
Speaker 1: ain't definitely done nothing. You know, even I find I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have fault. I fought just once. I once I
Speaker 1: put my name on there, you fight. Take us into
Speaker 1: the walls with Antonio talking, well, the first one is like,
Speaker 1: what happened? Was I beat when he was an ambsious
Speaker 1: He went off on we never let that go? He
Speaker 1: know that goes? Yeah, I know, honestly, I watched the
Speaker 1: whole he went on around page. He got his life
Speaker 1: back together because of me. He got a life back
Speaker 1: together though, because he realized the dang I was saying him.
Speaker 1: We used to have a good competition, and look what
Speaker 1: he did, so I can make some of myself. So
Speaker 1: I really was his hero for the longest time. So
Speaker 1: because he atalized me, I just became his his own
Speaker 1: is real talking, you fear me. And so the first
Speaker 1: fight was tough because off I'd lose twenty five pounds
Speaker 1: of muscle, but I still managed to beat it because
Speaker 1: I had to do what I thought Bob it Simmons
Speaker 1: had did, which was when the heavyweight title didn't go
Speaker 1: back after that and recapture light every time. But I
Speaker 1: think Bob Bob Simmon didn't win the light heay with
Speaker 1: titles after he wanted Heayway title. He hadn't one livery
Speaker 1: great title before he won the Heavway title. Then he
Speaker 1: lost that, then he went down back and won the
Speaker 1: light hea with title. He didn't win it, go and
Speaker 1: win every time and go back and regain, so I
Speaker 1: thought that was he did. So I wanted when the
Speaker 1: light here with title, when don't here with title, didn't
Speaker 1: recapture light every time, So that's why I had to
Speaker 1: fight in the first time. The second time. I know
Speaker 1: my body wouldn't real it back together, but like I said,
Speaker 1: my my main flowers, I don't duck mat. So somebody said,
Speaker 1: he give your hard time. What you want to see
Speaker 1: what you mean when you say your body went back together.
Speaker 1: My body lost twenty five pounds of muscle. That takes
Speaker 1: a lot of He found out when he did the
Speaker 1: creed moving and then he went to Fall for North
Speaker 1: he had on and just beat the viper or because
Speaker 1: he had lost the muscle day game making that creep
Speaker 1: move don't move whatever before I think it was he
Speaker 1: did rock at six something. Anyway, he found the hardway
Speaker 1: that when you lose that weight, it takes a toy
Speaker 1: feel so second one he won third one. It's cool.
Speaker 1: I try to bring my father back to hopefully that
Speaker 1: would have mended the relationship, but it didn't. So that
Speaker 1: didn't work out either. But he's not a bad fighter.
Speaker 1: Don't get it wrong. I don't take that from nobody.
Speaker 1: But what y'all have to understand. What people to fail
Speaker 1: to realize that that it's not about a team that
Speaker 1: can beat you. Anybody like like a team that you'll
Speaker 1: on championship teams. A team might beat you on any
Speaker 1: given night, but who the champ of this deceason? Right?
Speaker 1: So for me, anybody might beat a given night, but
Speaker 1: who donated that? The ain't Twitter years conforts It's not
Speaker 1: about that one given night. Who can If you did
Speaker 1: to beat me then when it dominated for twelve years, Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta take my hat off. You might be better
Speaker 1: with me. But if you can't go beat me and
Speaker 1: go down there Twitter years like I did, keep the
Speaker 1: people entertained and want to watch you fight like I did,
Speaker 1: you understand then you ain't doing what I did. So
Speaker 1: every championship team, I mean Tampa, they want the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl as they had losses in the team, the Lakers,
Speaker 1: everybody when y'all win your Santorini wherever you was, when
Speaker 1: you'll win the championship. You have a few games loss,
Speaker 1: they can beat trying to given night, Yeah, but they're
Speaker 1: gonna beat in the seven game series because you're the
Speaker 1: better team. You understand me, And that's what's gonna stand
Speaker 1: up when you get to the end, the better team.
Speaker 1: You're gonna win that seven game series with that mentality,
Speaker 1: and it kind of makes you easier to put that
Speaker 1: behind you and go on to the next fight, like
Speaker 1: with of course, yeah, of course, because I understand and
Speaker 1: I know that the sacrifice I've made, I may have
Speaker 1: had to take a hit full of because that was
Speaker 1: a big sacrifice. Nobody had went from middleweight to have
Speaker 1: weight in a hundred and six years, you understand. I
Speaker 1: mean people say, oh, that's good, but sugar rops some
Speaker 1: better robins. Some collapse trying to win the head Light
Speaker 1: Heavway title. He was a fourth seven pounder, but it
Speaker 1: collapse trying to win the Light Heavway title. So old,
Speaker 1: I mean, really, it's hard to find a person that
Speaker 1: was able to dominate from as far as id I
Speaker 1: went from one fifty four to heavy weight. Nobody ever
Speaker 1: did that before. So I will tell you, Oh, there's
Speaker 1: some pound pod pound, poud no, how many I'm covered
Speaker 1: as much weight pound for pound as Roaldy, none of them.
Speaker 1: Nobody never covered that much weight. So I won't say
Speaker 1: the arguer for myself. But it's like, if the proof
Speaker 1: is in the world, fact don't like and nobody covered
Speaker 1: that much weight? What did you do to Felix to retire? Well,
Speaker 1: fittish was He's a good dude. He's still a good friend.
Speaker 1: I'm just keeping it real. You brought me, I don't
Speaker 1: dislike nobody know what I mean. And I just knew
Speaker 1: that he was too small for me. You know. It's
Speaker 1: like you gotta you get a six or six forgot
Speaker 1: in the post, and yeah, and that's what that was.
Speaker 1: He's just a little smaller. He too small for me.
Speaker 1: You come to one sevening, but you till you still
Speaker 1: too small for me, so you know, And I kind
Speaker 1: of knew that, and I just after that fact, I
Speaker 1: tore it myself and this um a week in the
Speaker 1: hand before the fight. But I still know here too
Speaker 1: small for me. So I still if I can't beat
Speaker 1: on one hand, something wrong with me because he's too
Speaker 1: small for me. For the seven nock guys, which one
Speaker 1: was your favorite? Um, it's a lot of knockouts. Well,
Speaker 1: I hate this coup to dude get mad at me
Speaker 1: every time I see it, But I have to say
Speaker 1: it just with the truth. If he getting mad every time, man,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean nothing, it's true, but not against it.
Speaker 1: But he getting mad at me every time. But my
Speaker 1: favorite knockout was the one against my tear Griffin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the second right, because because of a high all came together.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just a crazy situation. And to come
Speaker 1: back and redeement in one round like that was pretty
Speaker 1: spectacular and was different because I told him night before
Speaker 1: what was gonna happen next day? Yeah, I thought the
Speaker 1: only thing what happened if to go reef around that.
Speaker 1: They just qualified me around nine last time, as I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna refight around now. Ain't gonna take y'all through
Speaker 1: where I want through eight? This time? We're gonna straight
Speaker 1: back around now. And that's really well. I mean, if
Speaker 1: man take you that the day before to fight with
Speaker 1: the take, you know, the pressures of chasing, not necessarily chasing,
Speaker 1: but just having an undefeated record, you know, Floyd was
Speaker 1: able to deal with what was You were there at
Speaker 1: one point? Did you? You always obviously just looked at fighting,
Speaker 1: but was there to keep the streak alive. Obviously was
Speaker 1: important to you as well. Let me tell you different
Speaker 1: about it that Florida did a great thing because Florida's
Speaker 1: a marketing genius. He was that old to the max,
Speaker 1: and he did better than anybody you ever gonna see
Speaker 1: do as far as marketing himself, because he took a
Speaker 1: different approach than I took. But everybody's in time to
Speaker 1: take their on the probect And don't get y'all get
Speaker 1: a Twitter Florida bead dude, fight it behind or not.
Speaker 1: People don't. People don't understand. I ain't gonna say he's
Speaker 1: the best ever, but he up there. Do you know
Speaker 1: people understand? People don't understand that. They said with pack
Speaker 1: almost yeah, but Peck, I felt them bees, Pack, I
Speaker 1: ain't running on the bees, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm standing his almost hurt, but it ain't.
Speaker 1: It ain't the same you got outside looking at as
Speaker 1: his inside feel me. So I thought you should have
Speaker 1: fought them earlier, Yes, because I thought pack hours that
Speaker 1: are hot and I thought would have been a better fight.
Speaker 1: Had to found the three years earlier because Peck was
Speaker 1: on top of his game. But still when he fought him,
Speaker 1: he still made Peck like you made Cannello do. Connello
Speaker 1: felt that things kind of stayed onf for him for
Speaker 1: a while, you feel me. So it's like you can't
Speaker 1: take away from his boxing skills just because he don't
Speaker 1: do it the way you think you're doing. The boy
Speaker 1: can fight in the neck and fight, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm say, man so, but you don't get fifty and
Speaker 1: know without knowing how to exactly exactly. But so for me,
Speaker 1: what really pissed me off at that Monteil Griffin loss.
Speaker 1: You just seen him robbed me and the Olympics, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna take my own on thiss qualification. Wait a minute, now,
Speaker 1: I just seen been a passants a hit Danna Rose
Speaker 1: in black and the referee after y'all stopped in the
Speaker 1: same day, y'all just qualify him. Then I see just
Speaker 1: a Ferguson hit. I mean not reading. He test Ferguson
Speaker 1: twice while he was on his knee in the State
Speaker 1: of Washington in d C. And you was over that
Speaker 1: y'all didn't just qualify him, but he's gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Just got robbed up a gold medal. The Olympics qualify
Speaker 1: him when the referee a referee to say stopped was
Speaker 1: a bad back, the man nable five seven, the man
Speaker 1: on the ground, I don't know what the man squid down?
Speaker 1: What the man doing? I told my coat was left round,
Speaker 1: But I don't know what you mean to do one.
Speaker 1: So I tapped them things gonna say stop. Refree said, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess you must not be considering him down. So
Speaker 1: and I still didn't him hard as I could. I
Speaker 1: hit him again. So he went down, and they just qualified.
Speaker 1: So that old man a lot to me because he
Speaker 1: did not just qualified. My problem never would have lost.
Speaker 1: He sold it though I'm putting in my mind. Of course,
Speaker 1: of course they're not hit him, said the sacrifice, but
Speaker 1: he did said and that was a hell of a
Speaker 1: way to take away from a guy who represented this
Speaker 1: country and got robbed one time. You feel it, really,
Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna do to me. I just went
Speaker 1: outn't represent our country. You saw robbing me over that,
Speaker 1: and now you're gonna take my away from other pro
Speaker 1: that's a hurt for fitting, bro, But that going to
Speaker 1: show you that you gotta watching. You think they called
Speaker 1: it only to kill all the team, so you know,
Speaker 1: so it made me tighten up the second fight. What's
Speaker 1: your mental approach? Obviously that was a different situation. But
Speaker 1: after a loss, I mean, like, we could take losses
Speaker 1: in our sport and still be okay because we played.
Speaker 1: But a loss in your sport is a is a
Speaker 1: much different how do you rebound for those? Mentally it's
Speaker 1: really hard to rebound from our loss, and our sport
Speaker 1: is very detrimental. That's why I tell people all the
Speaker 1: time you find the undefeated fighter, you gotta first teaching
Speaker 1: how to lose, because mentally he don't know how to loose.
Speaker 1: Mentally heard of it broke as hard to break a
Speaker 1: person ain't never been broke. Now once he gets paid
Speaker 1: the loss for me. EA's like ride a motorcycle. You
Speaker 1: have a motorcycle, Rick, If you're gonna ride a motorcycle again,
Speaker 1: as quick as you get able, people to get your
Speaker 1: behind and get back on another because you'll get afraid
Speaker 1: to wrap one. If you sit back and think about
Speaker 1: I hurt you and how bad it did you when
Speaker 1: you're head. Now you're gonna be be skinny on it again.
Speaker 1: Now you may not never ride another back again. For me,
Speaker 1: when when it happened to me, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's cool. I gotta go again. Then they have him again. Okay,
Speaker 1: well I still gotta go again. You understand me. So
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm the type of person. I feel like
Speaker 1: I was supposed to fight to the end. So I'd
Speaker 1: rather be knocked out than to lose a decision. Because
Speaker 1: I lost to hit the man, I still couldn't get more.
Speaker 1: So not me cold. I know I shouldn't want and
Speaker 1: that's how I want to go out. Yeah, I wish
Speaker 1: moboxers had the attitude. You know, you see a lot
Speaker 1: of fighters these days. Man, we didn't watch fight. They're
Speaker 1: looking at the corner like I know you see this.
Speaker 1: I know you've seen again with where the toil is.
Speaker 1: I don't want towel memorable ring walks. She once appeared
Speaker 1: in the act the Radio City Auditorium and the text
Speaker 1: drawn by Red meth Man, let me explain something to you,
Speaker 1: HBO who also made me, helped make me help the
Speaker 1: world get to know where John Drene was. But they
Speaker 1: really messed me up. That particularly like because they showed
Speaker 1: movies with Kerson and all kinds of stuff after Now
Speaker 1: at the seven o'clock at night, this boxing. This is
Speaker 1: the first time ever, not mard you this now, first
Speaker 1: time ever that rap music was in the radio. See
Speaker 1: the music hall, the first time ever. You see the
Speaker 1: music hall. I've never had rapping it before. That was
Speaker 1: the first time ever. Also had Win in Houston, a
Speaker 1: singing gobless America. So you got such a big night
Speaker 1: and you're gonna mute the audio because of lyrical contact
Speaker 1: of rap music, but all the who is you played
Speaker 1: with all the bad rical continent once again, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get the short and the stick. And that was the
Speaker 1: best ring interest that I have seen to this day.
Speaker 1: Me met and red all dance and come over. You
Speaker 1: don't get better the audio because y'all were about the
Speaker 1: lyrical content. What more can they say that that the
Speaker 1: movies y'all paying out from something, ain'tthing saying it's worse
Speaker 1: on the movie you feeling. So they co complete there.
Speaker 1: They completely wiped out the best ring interests of all times.
Speaker 1: That if it would have been, if you could have
Speaker 1: heard the lyrical Now people still loved them wrong, But
Speaker 1: you could have heard it and really felt what we
Speaker 1: felt energy. You would have felt the whole energy of it.
Speaker 1: You missed the energy because they wouldn't play the lyrics
Speaker 1: the lyrical content over the TV screen. But and the
Speaker 1: second my second favorite win though, was I didn't want
Speaker 1: to put on the organ I think brand Jordan's and
Speaker 1: Nike head sponsored the fight for me important that I
Speaker 1: came about the flow and I had the girls dancing.
Speaker 1: I did one of my own on songs. That was
Speaker 1: my second paper. You were a team Jordan, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: what was that experience like being able to cross from
Speaker 1: be recognized for your greatness and be a part of
Speaker 1: that brand Jack's part of that brand? Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I was great. It was great. Great job. Wait where
Speaker 1: y'all made him tell you something? Both of y'all to understand.
Speaker 1: I wiped both of y'all for a long time too.
Speaker 1: That's that man. I enjoyed love both of y'all. Y'all
Speaker 1: got to know that man up most respectful both of you. So,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was for me. It was good because
Speaker 1: for me, Mike was one of the better basketball, better
Speaker 1: athletes visity over the live and for him to come
Speaker 1: and represent and understand that I represented that to him
Speaker 1: as a boxer, but it was a big thing, you
Speaker 1: feel a minute. So that was really huge and I
Speaker 1: really respected him for that because at that time, boxes
Speaker 1: really weren't getting no deals. You couldn't get Nobody wanted
Speaker 1: to deal with Boxes because of the promoters or because
Speaker 1: of the bad name most of them have, and you
Speaker 1: know it was it was different. So for them to
Speaker 1: come get me and give me the opportunity was a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. For just you were called the best crowd
Speaker 1: you ever fought in front of and just a two
Speaker 1: part question. Obviously you're so locked in. Do you play
Speaker 1: off the energy of the crowd? Are you in your
Speaker 1: own little zone? This crowd is probably I was gonna
Speaker 1: be my hometown crowd because every single person is invested
Speaker 1: I win. We all in other crowds, you know some
Speaker 1: place I had eight or some places now, but I
Speaker 1: was a few that want the other guy to win
Speaker 1: at home is natified. See IA say that hate thing
Speaker 1: on tap so and it meant a lot to me
Speaker 1: because I know what it means to those who want
Speaker 1: me to wine. That's the big though. Are the ones
Speaker 1: I fight for? Uh? The most. Most people be really
Speaker 1: locked in. But when I found in Mississippi, I called
Speaker 1: Jeff Lacey in Mississippi and I was fighting. I was
Speaker 1: living old. I think it was about forty. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you can't tell them and see levet hood caause I
Speaker 1: got this levet hooking the game. I'm the best hooker
Speaker 1: I ever touched the game. Can't come to think that
Speaker 1: that's what they So you can't tell you can't come
Speaker 1: to me with that nick because I think I got
Speaker 1: the best. So it made me really tune in on it,
Speaker 1: you feel. Use. I was kind of tune in that night,
Speaker 1: and I never forget I was fighting him and I
Speaker 1: dude said something to him. I think I did something
Speaker 1: to him and doing no wrong, don't don't trap him
Speaker 1: in that corner, and he begged off. I said, you
Speaker 1: told him right. So I was so into the crowd
Speaker 1: that night. There honestly everything going on in the ring.
Speaker 1: But I also can hear people outside. You did what
Speaker 1: I would do was or placed a couple of my
Speaker 1: guys coach to the ring. The guys I knew, they
Speaker 1: knew what my playing was and we all I would
Speaker 1: listen to them talk because if I ever got to
Speaker 1: a situation where I need anything, They knew what to say.
Speaker 1: They also kept me up in tune what the time was.
Speaker 1: So if I had my two guys, three guys, and
Speaker 1: I knew exactly what was going on, that's all I
Speaker 1: would really hear. But Lasy fight because everyone was a
Speaker 1: little smaller, I kind of can't hear everybody. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: I remember when you called Calza give me the breaks off.
Speaker 1: It was I had no idea that if I was
Speaker 1: gonna be that bad dog. I can't did because Calzack
Speaker 1: is not a power puncher. He's a volume puncher. And
Speaker 1: time you go try to go out a guy as
Speaker 1: a volume punch with power, you're gonna get beat because
Speaker 1: he gonna that long. That's just what he was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Jeff was at his height at at that time.
Speaker 1: But that one power shopping the left hook a gonna
Speaker 1: be enough and you ain't gonna hard to hit him
Speaker 1: with it. You know the art of trash talking. All
Speaker 1: the trash talk I learned from hummad Ali. But the
Speaker 1: all the trash talking is like, you gotta know what
Speaker 1: you're doing, whore, you're doing what you're doing with it?
Speaker 1: Because I only gotta beat one time trash talking, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you who beat me trash talking. He
Speaker 1: didn't beat me trash talking. But to me, the all
Speaker 1: the trash talking, everything that takes place before the five happens.
Speaker 1: So when I see you, if I know we're gonna fight,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start missing on you, understand me from a traytop.
Speaker 1: Start that right then. If I'm gonna start playing a
Speaker 1: game with you, gonna start that right then. So when
Speaker 1: I fought Joyese, he came to the press conference just
Speaker 1: like a Pimp'll canna be a little bit y'all, like
Speaker 1: he got me. Because I wouldn't prepare for that. I said, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: how much he is? He was six pounds. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: he he got in with that. But the next day
Speaker 1: I prayed to get back at it. And next day
Speaker 1: his coach came on the scale, came on the on
Speaker 1: the podium what the skill was, and got right in
Speaker 1: my coach face talking stuff. You know, he was spending
Speaker 1: his face too. And my coach is a retired, uh
Speaker 1: notary guy, coach Alter Merson. You're not gonna get in
Speaker 1: his face and say nothing. So soon starting to get
Speaker 1: in his face all the stage on the goals to
Speaker 1: the hospital. He goes, hey, I needed something to turn
Speaker 1: the thing back around. Yes, yeah, I snuck off the stage,
Speaker 1: went around back, went back to what John rees was
Speaker 1: because everybody was nervously But I went into a panic
Speaker 1: because of the fight. I say, don't you worry about nothing,
Speaker 1: and nobody gonna touch you because you're blown to me tomorrow.
Speaker 1: But I had to get him back and he had
Speaker 1: got me the press cover with the little pimp, so
Speaker 1: I had to go see that tune to put me
Speaker 1: back in charge again. So I was. But most people
Speaker 1: I beat him talking to us, M Yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: teach that. You gotta have that. Yeah, A lot of
Speaker 1: people ain't that confident to talk ship. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You gotta be willing to back it up.
Speaker 1: Preparation gets you confident to be able to talk, be prepared,
Speaker 1: and you were to back it up. You know, I
Speaker 1: can't back it up now. I already want to hear it.
Speaker 1: When did you decide to get into music? Man A
Speaker 1: big way? Back in the early nineties, I had a
Speaker 1: group called pg Ready PGS. I love music so much
Speaker 1: and music was so inspirational because for me I used
Speaker 1: to go even after training. Sometimes I would go in
Speaker 1: my room and turn my music on and work on
Speaker 1: what I learned and training that particular days. So I
Speaker 1: was able to put the two together in a sense
Speaker 1: what it made sense for me because I love music
Speaker 1: with boxing. This rhythm to me. But also when you
Speaker 1: think about it, Mommed Ali said the bar high because
Speaker 1: he talked, he rapped. He just didn't do it the
Speaker 1: music that was afloat like butterflies. Think I could beat
Speaker 1: there to come with muhaddie. He did the rapping, he
Speaker 1: didn't added music too. So if you're gonna take what
Speaker 1: he took, what he did and raise it more, then
Speaker 1: you gotta do more. So take that rapping here doing
Speaker 1: and put music behind, go all the way with That's
Speaker 1: what I did. Remember, So men you did Suf made
Speaker 1: millionail shout out the rung, but you were trashed on
Speaker 1: that said, y'all go look it up. I think there
Speaker 1: was an old five or old four around that time.
Speaker 1: I was with the pacers around that time. Y'all must
Speaker 1: have forgot. How did that come together? Me and Hodge
Speaker 1: rapper Hodge wrappers rapping from the jo. Pretty pretty good, dude,
Speaker 1: one of the guys I think should have been much
Speaker 1: more us forever up in the year. But he has
Speaker 1: a man unlike any other that I've seen when it
Speaker 1: comes to writing. So we kind of sat down, put
Speaker 1: together some of my facts. I figured out how we're
Speaker 1: gonna make it work, and the concept came they must
Speaker 1: have forgot, you know. Like we sat down and he
Speaker 1: would better at the writing part to me. So I
Speaker 1: would write the facts and write things I want to say,
Speaker 1: and he would put in the cell fores and kind
Speaker 1: of got to get and rooted and man came out hot.
Speaker 1: So the second time me and put it, we wouldn't
Speaker 1: did the second one, but this one I don't want
Speaker 1: to leave by by myself because I feel like you
Speaker 1: almost forgot. It's a big statement, but you can't put
Speaker 1: it a lot of times where people make their mistaken
Speaker 1: music if they think about themselves and stead think about
Speaker 1: the consumers. Right, So like my ya almost forgot the
Speaker 1: first one. It was more about me, But now when
Speaker 1: I redid it and it's more about you almost forgot.
Speaker 1: Anybody sitting second one and can mean it. So me
Speaker 1: and something Marvin Baglet on the second you're on the
Speaker 1: second one. He got a nice verse two years he
Speaker 1: can go, but also the second I want to make
Speaker 1: it with because it's such a good it's such a
Speaker 1: good statement. Y'all must have forgot. You don't get a phrase.
Speaker 1: You don't get much better than that, because even y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all go back to your high school and you'll almost
Speaker 1: forgot what I'm saying. So we go there. You didn't
Speaker 1: be a career you you almost forgot what I used
Speaker 1: to do, you know what I'm saying. So it's a
Speaker 1: statement that's gonna live forever. And when you make songs
Speaker 1: out of statements that are everlasting, those songs don't really die. Right.
Speaker 1: We got we got a guy we just partnered with
Speaker 1: Forgotten Seasons n v A and that that can be
Speaker 1: his Uh So yeah, that's good. Off on me, Bro.
Speaker 1: Final fight was back home in teen and August, your
Speaker 1: last fight. You finished six, six wins and nine losses.
Speaker 1: At the end of that night. What was the feeling
Speaker 1: like knowing that was your last fight? It was a bay.
Speaker 1: It was a very bad feeling because I thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna fight forever. I don't wear at that time.
Speaker 1: Uh for the eight I think, damn the man. So
Speaker 1: it was a bad feeling up because I just felt like,
Speaker 1: no for the seven, for the seven, I just don't
Speaker 1: want to give it up. I want to give it up.
Speaker 1: But I knew that for me, it seemed like if
Speaker 1: I have stopped, I was just gonna go sit on
Speaker 1: the couch and get fat. And that's what I did
Speaker 1: want to do. So I continue to go. Give me
Speaker 1: a reason getting shape, the reason to stay and shape
Speaker 1: and take better care of myself. So you see so
Speaker 1: many guys they stopped it, being like y'all themselves go,
Speaker 1: ye know, man, it's bad because y'all didn't killed somebody
Speaker 1: right now, because y'all still don't shape you fear me,
Speaker 1: y'all don't let what God gave you just go to waste.
Speaker 1: Y'all did take advantage of it. But so many people
Speaker 1: I see slipped themselves go down here, And that's what
Speaker 1: I also didn't want to do. So I knew that
Speaker 1: if I want to get in shape, just go find
Speaker 1: somebody I gotta getting shaped in because I ain't gon'
Speaker 1: not so yeah, of course probably can't everything so so
Speaker 1: but anyway, that's that's what that's what it was. And
Speaker 1: to watch these guys do it nowadays, like it's getting
Speaker 1: better now, But for a while there that the skill
Speaker 1: levels going down, and I didn't see guys that really
Speaker 1: were having skilled to really entertain and show people what
Speaker 1: boxing me was about. So and really want nobody really
Speaker 1: fight nobody know. It's like, right now, we've got a
Speaker 1: lightweight division that's full of fighters, a lot of really
Speaker 1: good fighters, but you're looking at each other. No, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's like fans haven't really
Speaker 1: got to look at so you mean, well, let him
Speaker 1: see you beat somebody up. That's what I was doing.
Speaker 1: Commentate now, I love commentations. The difference between that and
Speaker 1: the ring. Commentating a little different because you don't have
Speaker 1: to really be in shape. Let your mind work and
Speaker 1: tell your body. You know in your mind and your
Speaker 1: body gotta work. Now you buy your magic and work
Speaker 1: your body, worry about nothing. So commentating I can tell
Speaker 1: you what he's doing and what somebody should be doing
Speaker 1: to him, but they're not doing fighting. I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: tell you what You're gonna show you what he's doing
Speaker 1: and show you what's what I should be doing. Too
Speaker 1: many do, so it's one thing to show us differently
Speaker 1: and talk about you enjoy a conversation. I love it
Speaker 1: because it gives me an opportunity to tell people about
Speaker 1: what I did from my from a final standpoint, not
Speaker 1: for somebody who never did it before, but telling you
Speaker 1: all of it. We talked about that before. It's the
Speaker 1: experience is the best teacher. If you don't if you're
Speaker 1: not been in there, you don't know what the real
Speaker 1: deal is because you've never been hit for you know
Speaker 1: what I'm Saying's like, like Mike said, a lot of
Speaker 1: people got a lot of game take your hit in
Speaker 1: the mount, remember, because they forgot that point in that book.
Speaker 1: The book intended about that point. The book can't tell
Speaker 1: you that I have to hit you in the mouth,
Speaker 1: then what you need to do. That book gonna tell
Speaker 1: you that you take that punch in the mouth for
Speaker 1: you to learn it. And that's what people miss. In commentary,
Speaker 1: I was thinking when we found out we were gonna
Speaker 1: have you as a guest, I was thinking, obviously very
Speaker 1: skilled tactician, but also that the style you fought, if
Speaker 1: how well that would translate to social media these days?
Speaker 1: What is the power of social media and what kind
Speaker 1: of You're already a monster, but could you imagine what
Speaker 1: he was doing. It was on social media. It would
Speaker 1: be insane knockouts, everything going viral. Nobody never seen people
Speaker 1: do the things. That's what I want your hand, how
Speaker 1: you beat? I mean, it was just what you did
Speaker 1: at the TAVA. He's gonna try to do it. They
Speaker 1: can't do it, better to me to knock them down
Speaker 1: Tony to. Yeah. So it's like people don't understand. And
Speaker 1: like I tell people this one. You know, one of
Speaker 1: my favorite point guards is Chris Paul. And reason I
Speaker 1: like Chris Paul because you see these guys do all
Speaker 1: this and one stuff on the court against these guys
Speaker 1: don't play basketball. You see Chris Paul do enter team
Speaker 1: get the best of the best. You fear me shout out.
Speaker 1: He's doing things that people get the best playing right now.
Speaker 1: He doing it bringing out in game cap in the payoffs.
Speaker 1: He don't kill so your family. So for a person
Speaker 1: to be that entertaining at that time, you don't do that. Then,
Speaker 1: like you see guys do stuff in the gym, but
Speaker 1: they're not gonna do that in a real fight. They're
Speaker 1: afraid to try. This dude doing these things and gags
Speaker 1: and playoff games, you feel DA's what means something. If
Speaker 1: you can't do it, then then already killed you can
Speaker 1: do it because you can't do it when it counts
Speaker 1: to make these people be that whoa, they already killed you.
Speaker 1: This dude do it in the game. He's just playing
Speaker 1: what he do it in the game. And that means
Speaker 1: something me because for me, my goal was when I
Speaker 1: watched my Allie and Sugary Leonard. These guys entertained you.
Speaker 1: Whether with the foot speed or the hand speed or
Speaker 1: even the head movement, they entertained you. So I can't
Speaker 1: be an entertainer and take you further than they took you.
Speaker 1: Then why my boxing. I don't want to just be
Speaker 1: another boxer. I want to be a guy that they said,
Speaker 1: or we're fighting, everybody put everything that we gotta go
Speaker 1: see what fighting. Don't know what world might do tonight.
Speaker 1: That's how I was feeling. That's which is what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to tell you that those other guys they can't
Speaker 1: do that. They make it look and bet me one night,
Speaker 1: but they can't hold that crowd like I can't. I
Speaker 1: get it. They cried and care who I was fighting.
Speaker 1: They come to see because they know we're gonna do
Speaker 1: something that we're not gonna forgive. Right, We're gonna give
Speaker 1: us a moment somewhere. We're gonna be right. We know
Speaker 1: we're gonna give us something that's just who who straight
Speaker 1: uh November, you step back in the ring, Luke bench
Speaker 1: and something. Nobody felt like it was his two uncles
Speaker 1: fight at the barbecue. But to me, it was seeming
Speaker 1: like my two favorite boxes in the world are about
Speaker 1: to fight. Like I'm excited about the idea, but I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I don't want to see these motherucker's hurt
Speaker 1: each other. Man. So thoughts on how that all came
Speaker 1: about and what made you get back in the ring
Speaker 1: before you start. Oh, let me just just let me
Speaker 1: say this. I was worried I will too. He was
Speaker 1: gonna say, Hey, we was gonna say, dude, O, hell
Speaker 1: uh whip pounds here to me? Really hear it to
Speaker 1: that to me? But he twenty pounds here to me,
Speaker 1: he ain't screwed on type. You know what he might
Speaker 1: come here and do. Then they say, Yo, that's smoking weed.
Speaker 1: Before you come out there, Love, you don't know what
Speaker 1: you're about to do. You understand you're on the web.
Speaker 1: May happened. So when I heard about it, I said, listen, listen,
Speaker 1: y'all can't be out there trying to kill each other.
Speaker 1: What else do you know? That's all you know? What
Speaker 1: else do you know? If he tried to hit you
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be trying to keep that's all he knows.
Speaker 1: So first time he'd been a chest, I feel like
Speaker 1: I want to keep us. If if I had to go,
Speaker 1: like mom, you sud I should have did I did?
Speaker 1: I ain't think he pushed that this Still you stole
Speaker 1: it down a nob bro, I ain't stole down the link.
Speaker 1: Then I get in front of him and I see
Speaker 1: him doing or to hear that I thought I thought
Speaker 1: he stepped all over in a minute before he still
Speaker 1: a fast, still slipping all my stuff, and I'm right
Speaker 1: now because I gotta be right just in case he
Speaker 1: gets wrong and we're gonna get wrong. Still fans all
Speaker 1: the way, man's here, any point that here? Then I
Speaker 1: think I hit the left hook or something. We got
Speaker 1: close and he took a glove en list up my face,
Speaker 1: I said, there is some of the I see you, Mike,
Speaker 1: I see still got game. I'm good, And is he
Speaker 1: gonna do to get night. Ain't doing the more cause
Speaker 1: they get they're gonna get bad. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: called this dude, this dude, he first of all, he's
Speaker 1: still too strong, he still got all his old tricks,
Speaker 1: and he much harder to hit. And now you ever
Speaker 1: thought he would have been what I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: was surprised to me. I thought for sure, he said.
Speaker 1: I listen, I teach guys, a man with his head
Speaker 1: just goes to the face. You're posted to kill him.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking he ain't gotta chick my hand too fast. Man,
Speaker 1: Mike's stipping my stuff so quick. Ah okay, I see
Speaker 1: what you might test. I remember the interview afterwards. Are
Speaker 1: you looking at him like like, come on, bro, we
Speaker 1: ain't doing this a game my hip? So three days, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm doing them days. They ain't got nod you go
Speaker 1: back and work out forward game or two. You'd be like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm throwing them day do it? Ain't like this? No
Speaker 1: moment My reel is hurting them three and three and
Speaker 1: for every time. Then I gotta crap myself. No nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing that ain't him. Enough of that. Subscribe Mike in
Speaker 1: a few words, entertaining, crazy, funny, deceptive, because he's everything
Speaker 1: everything you think about Mike User the opposite everything you
Speaker 1: think about me, much more intelligent people, very intelligent, you know,
Speaker 1: a very very intelligent guys. So that ain't you're a
Speaker 1: good dude? May he really he's really deep downside, he's
Speaker 1: really good dude. We got a lot of bad reps.
Speaker 1: But you're good dude. You're way more gentle than people think.
Speaker 1: You know what, but you also but now he do
Speaker 1: have a switch your snap and he goes when he
Speaker 1: ran a good my damn face out, son of and
Speaker 1: always hand you're cheating. Anybody said, you gotta be chea
Speaker 1: wee what you're cheating for? The legend is you played
Speaker 1: the basketball with sweet Pea. Yeah we're be Sweetie team,
Speaker 1: but not sweet He could play and sweet people. All
Speaker 1: the vision one players on his team ain't had none.
Speaker 1: I had to vision two players. You co players. He
Speaker 1: bought a whole stage. What was that great? Yeah? The
Speaker 1: late grates people now that was a bad dude to
Speaker 1: people don't give him enough credit. And he didn't care
Speaker 1: who he falls. He came from the same time I
Speaker 1: came I come from. We played King of the Hill.
Speaker 1: If you're the best, that's what it is. He didn't
Speaker 1: kill He tell him, don't tell me who is Tim,
Speaker 1: how much you're making what we don't need to be
Speaker 1: And I'm saying, don't worry about who was on the side.
Speaker 1: That's how cool he will be. But anyway, he was
Speaker 1: a good basketball player. He always talked and always talking,
Speaker 1: always talk. So we set up a select to gain
Speaker 1: HPO article, the late great Article. One of my favorite
Speaker 1: people I've ever met. He made my HBO tenure way
Speaker 1: better than el could have been because he was an
Speaker 1: angel of HBO starters as a mayor, room dude and
Speaker 1: worked were all well twin executive black dude Artor Curry
Speaker 1: died probably ten twelve years ago, but he was one
Speaker 1: of my favorite people of all time. So anyway, Arty
Speaker 1: was in charge of relationships. In relationship between HPU and
Speaker 1: the fighters. He did the human relations part. So he
Speaker 1: set the game up between me and Sweep. Three people
Speaker 1: on this team the post of colasp All paid for
Speaker 1: the thing, and h we got Lon. So in the
Speaker 1: arena data they they he had like I said he
Speaker 1: had like he had pretty much a Division one team
Speaker 1: and I got a jew coal team. Know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: But I mean, my guys probably play Boy together because
Speaker 1: we played in the city league. So his guys they
Speaker 1: just all could play. But they play together as much
Speaker 1: as we did, I don't think. So. They led the
Speaker 1: game for like three quarters and last quarter got about
Speaker 1: three minute stuft to go, they were still they let
Speaker 1: us but like fifteen for the whole game because they
Speaker 1: complete and sweet people in bed either So, but the
Speaker 1: last quarter my team were known come back in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Last quarter they left big Ail open and
Speaker 1: big people don't know big Al, but Bigail was a
Speaker 1: little short. But I thought, you know, big Ail was
Speaker 1: kind of gott ahead of shot that he could have
Speaker 1: been head. He had the right guys, he could have
Speaker 1: made it to leave because the dude could shoot the
Speaker 1: ball better than not people see walking in the face
Speaker 1: of the earth today and we all know people at
Speaker 1: home like that kind of guys, you know. So he
Speaker 1: came down and left open. He hit one three they
Speaker 1: cannot miss. He came but down the left over here
Speaker 1: another three, they cannot miss. The came down again. I said,
Speaker 1: they left over third time. I gave to him here
Speaker 1: another three. That's nine points. And from now we just
Speaker 1: put both dog. So we came at the last three
Speaker 1: minutes of the game and we won the game. But
Speaker 1: it was a great game. He had a better team
Speaker 1: than I had, but my team had played together more.
Speaker 1: Yeah a game, mad game defth handed bright hands for
Speaker 1: people do it all. Yeah, as we be ever real game.
Speaker 1: We had Dion Sanders and he once told us about
Speaker 1: the day he played football and then flew that later
Speaker 1: night and played baseball. You played basketball during the day
Speaker 1: and far that night talk to us about that. Well.
Speaker 1: I was seeing Dan the Bowl Jackson do that. I
Speaker 1: was like, no, people not going to expect that a
Speaker 1: boxer can do two things and never thought a box
Speaker 1: can do that, but got number jack. Every day i'm training,
Speaker 1: I'm sneading off playing basketball anywhere trained. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know I can do this because I do this
Speaker 1: every day. I grew up doing this, So how can
Speaker 1: I not do that? You feel me. It's gonna look
Speaker 1: strange to people, but this is what I do. If
Speaker 1: they if the gym boxing. I'm hoping and I hope
Speaker 1: every single day you feel min is that this is
Speaker 1: nothing my body or not you too, But to put
Speaker 1: on the stage they're gonna say, no, you don't do that. Well,
Speaker 1: since I'm not with big tample Motors and my own guy,
Speaker 1: I can do it. So I went in. Now, what
Speaker 1: was impressive, by the law was the guy fought Eric Lucas.
Speaker 1: After that he went on to become the WC Super
Speaker 1: Theweight champion and he had a title for three years
Speaker 1: after that fight. So I ain't fighting on garbage, you
Speaker 1: understand me. So I'm just thinking, you know, even watching
Speaker 1: you know Darren Williams fight, how you gotta be in
Speaker 1: shape to be a boxer to go play basketball. I
Speaker 1: should beat your legs up all day and then box.
Speaker 1: And that just credits to what have what great shape?
Speaker 1: He was saying, how many rounds of that? I mean
Speaker 1: around level? I think they stopped in the level round.
Speaker 1: What I won't fight? He took a good punch to
Speaker 1: who you following these days? In the NBA, You've got
Speaker 1: players teams. I followed more players than I follow a team.
Speaker 1: One of my favorites is uh, DAMNONO. I like Damn
Speaker 1: a lot called Damn big time Dame show up. I
Speaker 1: tell you a little CP like carry like Yanna because
Speaker 1: Yann is a different dog. I like Katie Yan is
Speaker 1: definitely different. Animal, like John Morant now he's coming on
Speaker 1: the scene, you know, like Devin Booker. You know, I
Speaker 1: like a lot of guys, know what. I like a
Speaker 1: lot of killers. I like guys killer the Metal. I mean,
Speaker 1: don't get it wrong. I like Lebron too. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I'll be looking more for the guys that reminded
Speaker 1: me at the old school guys going from I like
Speaker 1: them dogs, you know what I'm saying. I like people
Speaker 1: that's gonna go out there and no matter what y'all
Speaker 1: putting from me, you're not stopping me. That's what I like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So who you uh? The
Speaker 1: only prediction for the finals? Um, I don't know. Lek's
Speaker 1: gonna be hard to beat them because if they can
Speaker 1: get Devil calls Westbrook when got in the right direction here, animal,
Speaker 1: he played hard of it, but out they just just
Speaker 1: gotta keep him under control. But when you're getting under control,
Speaker 1: he's something to deal with a lot of I'm a
Speaker 1: westro fan too because of how hard to play, saying
Speaker 1: some taking get off offside, off balance a live bit,
Speaker 1: but his intent is always good and I love his intent. Now,
Speaker 1: if you can take a Lebron who can help gut
Speaker 1: him and control them a little bit, and Ady can
Speaker 1: be healthy. They still don't be hard to be you know. So, um,
Speaker 1: Dallas is a team that always have to watch because
Speaker 1: Dallas has a pretty good team, I think, a better
Speaker 1: team and people give them credit for and their team
Speaker 1: is a little different with Luca and prosingles. I'm prosingles
Speaker 1: is an issue because he's so tall. But we can
Speaker 1: do it all, I'm saying, and so having them too,
Speaker 1: And I said, Jayden Bronson ain't bad. And we know
Speaker 1: how the way Dream ain't bad. They got they got
Speaker 1: a good team. Demon has a good team. Utah's an
Speaker 1: excellent team. There's a lot of good teams like that.
Speaker 1: So you know, I ain't give the Sunday can come
Speaker 1: from anywhere, but it's about who has the continuality. At
Speaker 1: the end of the season, Matrix reloaded alongside Keiana Reeves
Speaker 1: and Lawrence Fishburn. What was that like? That was good, man.
Speaker 1: It was one of the best times I had. It
Speaker 1: was different for me because it was a whole movie.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, rich Adriana movie, you do everything that.
Speaker 1: God has been so good to me. Man, I just
Speaker 1: had to be thankful to God if everything's ever given me,
Speaker 1: because I never thought I would be a rap or
Speaker 1: basketball player, none of that in the movie. Guy just
Speaker 1: never thought of the commentary, never thought so many things
Speaker 1: that God added on to me. And I thought I
Speaker 1: got what I was going on because of my faith
Speaker 1: in my trust and God. He gave me so much
Speaker 1: that I mean, I never thought of being the Heavway
Speaker 1: Chamber the world. You know what I'm saying. When I
Speaker 1: won my first national tournament. My first national tournament was
Speaker 1: one of a hundred and eighteen pounds. How are you
Speaker 1: gonna be Heavay Chimer world? You a hundred eighteen pounds
Speaker 1: for my first national tournament. I was a hundred of pounds.
Speaker 1: Do you think I had any thoughts could even look
Speaker 1: at the Heavway Wrong? No, and now who I am
Speaker 1: heit with Chamber the world. If you believe and have
Speaker 1: faith in God, there's no limits to what God can
Speaker 1: take you. You got a chance to work on Creek too.
Speaker 1: Thoughts about rebooting that starting Mic could be Jordan, that
Speaker 1: that was pretty good, might could be Jordan's a really
Speaker 1: good job in the movie. Actually I didn't know they
Speaker 1: had me. I said to go get in the next one.
Speaker 1: But because you ain't gotta fight coming up February fifth,
Speaker 1: so I gotta miss to the film dates. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to see now that they can redo it, but if not,
Speaker 1: then I might miss it. But the guy, I think
Speaker 1: they gotta create three coming up. And I was supposed
Speaker 1: to go be a commentating out and I love the movies.
Speaker 1: I love acting, although being a commentary doesn't require much
Speaker 1: acting because it's what I do for real, so but
Speaker 1: it still be good. You know you're back. I've seen
Speaker 1: the fight was the last fight. What you think you
Speaker 1: need to switch up? What? You just gotta quit being
Speaker 1: so much of a banger and use this a little
Speaker 1: bit more because this will takeular father needs will If
Speaker 1: you use this to control these, you can go a
Speaker 1: lot of further than you use this to control these.
Speaker 1: He'd been fighting me up this control needs, and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get into use this to control these, not this.
Speaker 1: I don't even put you on the spot. But do
Speaker 1: you think his father is kind of doing what? You
Speaker 1: know I'm and was father hindering him a little bit?
Speaker 1: I don't know. His father is actually a lot of
Speaker 1: things out of his way. And he talked to him,
Speaker 1: but he stays out of his weight. I think for
Speaker 1: a while he may have been in a little bit more,
Speaker 1: but I think they realized that that's not the right
Speaker 1: way for them, so he got out. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why he employed me because he knows that I know.
Speaker 1: But like he said, some things, you're gonna be tearing
Speaker 1: my son better than I am because me being around
Speaker 1: me and his father, they're so long. It's different. The
Speaker 1: same with my son myself at basketball. But I can't
Speaker 1: tell you now. I need to call when y'all tell,
Speaker 1: because I can't tepe. I'm gonna put you on the
Speaker 1: spot again. Yeah, you would have stopped to fight if
Speaker 1: you was sean part of popson. No right, No, A
Speaker 1: lot of people say that I want to stop, you know,
Speaker 1: because that's why I said, just a fine line between
Speaker 1: that and he I can say, you know, you can
Speaker 1: say I'm worried about my son, but when it comes
Speaker 1: to that, you gotta let him be the man. You
Speaker 1: can't go out there and protect together and be a
Speaker 1: man because he go out like he want to go out,
Speaker 1: and no excuse, you got a little go like like
Speaker 1: you wanted to go out. It might not be what
Speaker 1: he chose to do. He made it look like he
Speaker 1: made it about himself. The Pole's that's why I chapped you,
Speaker 1: because if I had leave because but God showed me
Speaker 1: that some of those guys don't see it to this
Speaker 1: too late. That's why I asked that question of which
Speaker 1: fight the president that you see a lot of your
Speaker 1: stuff in bootsings. You've seen Boots fight Boots, Boots a
Speaker 1: bad boy. Boot shows a lot of my stuff. I
Speaker 1: see it quite a few guys. But Boots sing this,
Speaker 1: I still living in low machine cold because has the
Speaker 1: footwork down paded along with the angles and all I
Speaker 1: see it. I see myself on a lot of fighters
Speaker 1: because a lot of guys do a lot of things
Speaker 1: that they learned from watching me. Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: Carnello is a bad dude here. You might stop, but
Speaker 1: you're a bad dude. You think you think he really
Speaker 1: that that? He that rows that us. A lot of
Speaker 1: people have got Cannello on the Is he really that?
Speaker 1: Is he that what you said? He that? I think
Speaker 1: he is that? But in my pain, he still got
Speaker 1: a little bit to prove because he's being some really
Speaker 1: good father beating triples. You was a big thing, but
Speaker 1: he still got a little bit more. He has a
Speaker 1: little bit more to go because he got to be
Speaker 1: the guy that has that has some of the qualities
Speaker 1: and credibilities that flow aheads. If Charlot No, it's gonna
Speaker 1: not gonna be gonna to beat Yallo, but that's not
Speaker 1: gonna do it because we're going to see him against
Speaker 1: a little bit stick a guy. Give me example, I
Speaker 1: gotta boo boo boo boo boooo, gonna be Himo, don't
Speaker 1: go and box traditional boobo fight with smarts because man
Speaker 1: Junior fight with the smarts a different cult for him.
Speaker 1: So people like that is who you want to see
Speaker 1: in fight because we know what we could do against
Speaker 1: guy the brawls and that that's gonna go out and
Speaker 1: go to the toe. He can handle that. But that's
Speaker 1: not how Floyd beat him. So like the la getting
Speaker 1: my hard time because he boxed him with this, So
Speaker 1: we gotta see him fight him by the boxes with
Speaker 1: this and seem dominate that person. Then he'd be what
Speaker 1: I want to see him be, which I'm not saying can't.
Speaker 1: So it's like people get so sensitive nowadays because stuff
Speaker 1: that you say. But like I was trying to tell people.
Speaker 1: When Errol Spans fought Sean Porter, I wasn't saying that
Speaker 1: that's gonna guarantee that Erl Spence can be called can
Speaker 1: be Aerospences. No, I said, Sean Porter, what the first
Speaker 1: dude that's gonna show us what el Spences. They didn't
Speaker 1: say that Aerospence didn't have the goods. I never said that.
Speaker 1: I just said, Sean Porter's the first dude they're gonna
Speaker 1: show us if he really got the goods. And he
Speaker 1: did that knockdown, that fact was either or sure it
Speaker 1: might have been winning. But once he knocked, now he took.
Speaker 1: He took over. So it showed that he doesn't have
Speaker 1: the goods to make me even more now I want
Speaker 1: to see him and tears cough in the m But
Speaker 1: this did not get in that. But I didn't say
Speaker 1: who I thought when I still don't know who it's
Speaker 1: just because I think that I don't mean that either.
Speaker 1: But I did see him show against Sean Porter that
Speaker 1: he didn't have a dog in mean that he could
Speaker 1: put off put it off against a top nice guy
Speaker 1: called Seanport is one of the guys right there at
Speaker 1: the threshold of being great. You feel me. So you
Speaker 1: beat him? Now you get Now I got a little
Speaker 1: bit more comfortent than you and your efforts against Cofor
Speaker 1: that caff For beat Porter a little bit worse than
Speaker 1: you did. Just done it, Porter, Porter. But styles also
Speaker 1: make fights. That still don't mean that Corford can beat you.
Speaker 1: But right now Corfor has the edge because I've seen
Speaker 1: Cofford more so and I've seen against a few more different,
Speaker 1: different caliberns of opposition that I see you against. I
Speaker 1: was saying that you can't beat Confer. I'll just say
Speaker 1: that I've seen Corford more and against more different known
Speaker 1: competition than I see him against. They took out he
Speaker 1: don't like yours. Come on, man, you know how they do.
Speaker 1: That's what they're gonna do. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that shot. I didn't say that. I see that this
Speaker 1: dude will be the first real opposition opposition that we
Speaker 1: see that we can judge them afoot. And it was
Speaker 1: because it was a hell of a fight until they
Speaker 1: when you dropped me, he took over. But it was
Speaker 1: a good damn fight. Your feeling so Davis, bad dude,
Speaker 1: Bad dude. See what I like about Tank is tain't
Speaker 1: bring something different? You know, back in the days, everybody
Speaker 1: has something. Homedy he was a move a box of
Speaker 1: George was a puncher. Earnest Stables was a puncher. Everybody
Speaker 1: has something about to take their Holmes had a jail Mike.
Speaker 1: We've had over here and right. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: everybody has something. That division now is full and Tank
Speaker 1: having to be the knockout guy of the division, he
Speaker 1: didn't want it with the main knockout power. I see
Speaker 1: it has two, but tin't got the real knockout power.
Speaker 1: That like, if Tank hit when I'm cleaning you, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have a proper So it's like, I like Tank,
Speaker 1: uh every now then I think he just I think
Speaker 1: when he knows he can beat somebody, he probably don't
Speaker 1: take it, don't lock in his hard But I think
Speaker 1: when they bring challenges, he locks in calls competition and
Speaker 1: he got to be careful that he was really doing that.
Speaker 1: So you gotta be careful of that because if you
Speaker 1: come in and think somebody is not at your level,
Speaker 1: you and estimate him, it can get your beat. So
Speaker 1: I just don't think. I think you gotta be careful
Speaker 1: of Other than that, Tanks are really good fighter tanks
Speaker 1: are good fighter. Uh, it's a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: we class. For Garcia Lopez, do this, beat Lopez, Loma Um,
Speaker 1: young guy, Devin hanging Man. So many good guys that
Speaker 1: we class. But we need to see him fight each
Speaker 1: other so we can figure out who to cream on
Speaker 1: the carp good, very good guy, very smart guy. Wins
Speaker 1: more with smartness than he does with skill. He uses
Speaker 1: his knowledge, his size, he takes advantage of his size.
Speaker 1: And I liked it about Tyson Fur and he's not
Speaker 1: afraid to fight nobody. The only thing I tell people,
Speaker 1: like I said, I don't want to see him a
Speaker 1: music fight. Right now, we're going to heavy division is music.
Speaker 1: And Joshua was a great fight Fury, And while it
Speaker 1: wasn't even better fight for the fans, let's keep the
Speaker 1: fans into the heavway division right now. If you put
Speaker 1: us against against Fury, a lot of people think the
Speaker 1: big the better big big man beats the better small man,
Speaker 1: and so we leaned toward Fury. But either guy could
Speaker 1: win the fight. But neither guy's a real knockout puncher,
Speaker 1: and right now in headways, we want to see knockouts,
Speaker 1: or at least knockdowns, you know what I'm saying, or
Speaker 1: at least somebody get hurt somebody or know that somebody
Speaker 1: can knock somebody in any given tags Wilder, that's a
Speaker 1: good fight. We love that kind of fight. Somebody somebody
Speaker 1: that's that way to happen, that's not waiting to happen.
Speaker 1: Those kind of fights, those a kind of fight we
Speaker 1: want to see. If you don't come from you understand
Speaker 1: that that's what we want. We know that's like that
Speaker 1: waiting to happen. That's that's what we really want to
Speaker 1: see in the headweight division. That's what we want to see.
Speaker 1: Thoughts on Jake Paul me, you gotta get a man
Speaker 1: of credit. You know, he came out there some beautiful things.
Speaker 1: He showed what you can do with social media. He
Speaker 1: showed you the effects that social media can have on sport.
Speaker 1: And you know he tries hard. He works hard as
Speaker 1: a boxer. I mean for a guy that's not didn't
Speaker 1: start his career as a boxer. He given the hill
Speaker 1: because you're making more one of the most of them
Speaker 1: can the smart way. He's you. He's showing you what
Speaker 1: you can do if you calask two. The God has
Speaker 1: given you. Now, he's a perfect example every every boxer
Speaker 1: should market themselves. He's a perfect example. So if you
Speaker 1: hate on him some roles, you need to be learning
Speaker 1: from him. Don't hate the game he play. Learn from
Speaker 1: him because he's doing some good. Look how much money
Speaker 1: making any beating others? Two and he's not really he
Speaker 1: didn't start the thing as a boxer. Look what are
Speaker 1: you're doing? Show time? You know showtime? Better believe it? Man,
Speaker 1: this has been great. We appreciate you coming down to
Speaker 1: the home stretch right now. So the first thing to
Speaker 1: come to mind, let us know your mount rushmore boxing.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Mama egals at the top, Mama Da
Speaker 1: Mama Daly sugaring up, Save door Sanchez, brother Duran. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of one that there. But don't polo forma
Speaker 1: put up? Then stop a door Sanchez. I gotta go
Speaker 1: look him up on the best Mexican pilers of all time.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you why. Go look at all the
Speaker 1: people fight fine, but in a fifteen round fight against
Speaker 1: stiff opposition. You look at him around one, between around one,
Speaker 1: around two, and go look at between around fourteen, around fifteen,
Speaker 1: he looks identic clar the same identical. He looks identical
Speaker 1: in between around oneted to and do between round fourteen
Speaker 1: and fifteen. I ain't never seen nobody to do that. Nobody.
Speaker 1: This dude looks identical between around one and two and
Speaker 1: round four and five and round eight and nine as
Speaker 1: you're doing around fourteen and fifteen. I've never seen nothing
Speaker 1: like in my life. That's who. I also got a
Speaker 1: lot of my game from them, but the best tricks
Speaker 1: to ever see. Everybody got their things sugar. Then I
Speaker 1: had the hand speed, and he had hand foot speed
Speaker 1: and entertainment with the mouth, had her head consistently time
Speaker 1: I had that thing with the right hand. The Hulk
Speaker 1: was just busy all the time. Duran had the trickery.
Speaker 1: Duran was the best tricks that I ever seen. Was
Speaker 1: just like condition wise, and he wasn't He wasn't flashing,
Speaker 1: He didn't have that acceleration that you want. But my gosh,
Speaker 1: for fifteen rounds standing with there a hunt a mint
Speaker 1: out fifteen, the dude could do it. I gotta look him.
Speaker 1: You just told us all the grades and what they had,
Speaker 1: and what would you say about yourself? I took all
Speaker 1: of that in packages. That's not taste so good. I
Speaker 1: took all that and all I took all that in package.
Speaker 1: You take twelve grades and you take what makes them great,
Speaker 1: and you put all that in one person cannot be great.
Speaker 1: You understand me. I mean, I probably shouldn't say that
Speaker 1: because y'all know it's better me too, though, But it
Speaker 1: takes depth current And you said, Reggie Miller with heimples,
Speaker 1: m hm, shoot the damn all and they just didn't
Speaker 1: have a hempn steff. But look at Stiff. He took
Speaker 1: what what what? What? What? What Reggie was missing and
Speaker 1: he added that. And because he's doing it so well now,
Speaker 1: he probably better shoot him because of the conference that
Speaker 1: goes with But he basically if you look at the
Speaker 1: basic route when he really is he really he really
Speaker 1: is a Miller type shooter who was a great shooter.
Speaker 1: But with him, you understand me, you gotta learn how
Speaker 1: to take what's happening now and how you elevate them.
Speaker 1: That's what makes you better, that's what makes you great.
Speaker 1: If you take a great I mean chocolate tito, he
Speaker 1: followed the great late grade at Alexes. Alexis a quail
Speaker 1: copy Alexe wale stuff and a powder A little bit
Speaker 1: more condition, a little more acrobatics with it, and look
Speaker 1: at him. He became quick a hundred six times twit
Speaker 1: pounder hundred six pounds became great because he followed what
Speaker 1: alexas Quil did and they got one of these names
Speaker 1: in boxing, chocolate chol. So it's like you have to
Speaker 1: take the greatness and figure out how you take that
Speaker 1: the great today, how you add your to make that
Speaker 1: the greetings of tomorrow. That's what I did. I had
Speaker 1: should warn Marvin had a time of hand and put
Speaker 1: the rain hom Natalie salth door since yes and listen.
Speaker 1: I had quite. I had about a dozen that used
Speaker 1: to watch, and I used to watch them to see
Speaker 1: what made them different, because whatever made them different, I
Speaker 1: gotta hear that. That's on the clock. I want what
Speaker 1: makes them different. Haggler was to consistency with the beneath
Speaker 1: with the defense, turn her her hand with the right
Speaker 1: hand and stop. Mohammad was left to the body level
Speaker 1: of shot. I got something from some of all of them,
Speaker 1: but I took what made them them. I sent all
Speaker 1: those characteristics and trying to put them in my came
Speaker 1: so that when you look at me, you see all
Speaker 1: the that's how it became pounder pound You understanding who
Speaker 1: else you know go through a thirty punch combedition? Roy
Speaker 1: Jones should writ none I could Roy Jones. Mahama that
Speaker 1: they could Roy Jones. You said a thirty punch. I
Speaker 1: get tired thinking about that. A lot of punches for you.
Speaker 1: But that's a But what the crowd I want to
Speaker 1: see was we should We don't? Did it? Everybody doing crazy?
Speaker 1: They did it? They go crazy. So you gotta you
Speaker 1: have to give the people their money worthy. They gonna
Speaker 1: pay attention. If you're not, then you just another box
Speaker 1: What fights you want to see them? Lightweights get to
Speaker 1: get on a fight. Yeah, but I would like to
Speaker 1: see Whyden Wild and uh Joshua fight just because we
Speaker 1: always want to see it and they got bad blood exactly.
Speaker 1: I would definitely to see that fight. I want to
Speaker 1: see Charlot versus Canelo. I really want to see you
Speaker 1: Bank versus Carnelo. I want to see you your Bank
Speaker 1: versus Charlot. I want to see Charlotte versus Bubble. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of good fights out that that we want
Speaker 1: to see. But the reason UFC has gotten so much
Speaker 1: more entertaining in boxing because the people get the fight
Speaker 1: they want to say, they gotta go see boxing. We
Speaker 1: gotta get the fights that people want to see. Good point.
Speaker 1: If we don't do that, then we waste our time.
Speaker 1: If someone were to do a biopic of your life,
Speaker 1: what acting would play you hard to say, but I
Speaker 1: even big into actors. But I'm thinking Cuba, Cuba Good
Speaker 1: and Junior m somebody like that used regardless of anything,
Speaker 1: He's a great actor, is one of the best. I
Speaker 1: give him that. Top five artists all the time artists.
Speaker 1: My favorite gonna be scar Face. It's really hard to
Speaker 1: say because scar Face scar Face. You know, you gotta
Speaker 1: understand that a lot of people do their thing. You know,
Speaker 1: you could do a thing, Eminem do a thing DMX
Speaker 1: for one of my favorite, um Met the Man. The
Speaker 1: list goes on so many guys, Juvia. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just love I love everybody that just can come up
Speaker 1: and do hit records over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: The my guy. Everybody have different styles, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, So like the're the ones I like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna listen to somebody first it's gonna probably be scar Face,
Speaker 1: then X, then Meth, then Park, then probably Big. It
Speaker 1: mean that's even They'm gonna be in enough somewhere. It's
Speaker 1: just it's so many guys. I listened to all of
Speaker 1: them because every to have with the I just cute
Speaker 1: everybody because I just love music. So everybody hit one
Speaker 1: hand and there that I'm gonna like. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So um morbe what new new new? Like today?
Speaker 1: Acts you listen to? Of course you like NBA, young boy,
Speaker 1: that's my man. Everybody like you boy? Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: I like your boy. So if you I like Jesus,
Speaker 1: that like, I mean, Jesus ain't new, but I like
Speaker 1: I like a lot of them. I like a lot
Speaker 1: of I don't like I list a lot of new music.
Speaker 1: Yeah I was. I ain't really be on the new
Speaker 1: music as I having the old music. Five dinner guests
Speaker 1: that are alive dinner guess yeah, five people at your
Speaker 1: table plus you that are alive. Barry Sender's mom, DaLie
Speaker 1: Walter Payton, Michael Jordan's out of Bear, No sweetness, Barry,
Speaker 1: it's never a bad choice. I gotta give him something. Looking,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be the only looking at me, look at me.
Speaker 1: They don't look too If you can have any guests
Speaker 1: on our show who would it be? But before you answer,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to help us get your answer on
Speaker 1: the show. About to have a guest on the show.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of heavy hitters too, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people. I'm trying to thank who I would like?
Speaker 1: You're gonna trip out? Who I want you to say?
Speaker 1: I think everybody might trip out. Who Larry Merchant? That
Speaker 1: would be pretty big. I would love to interview him, bro.
Speaker 1: But now to come think about it, I think Jim
Speaker 1: Napply wouldn't be a band with two Yeah, yeah for sure, yes, yeah. Man.
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: That's a wrap all the Smoke Hall of Famer Roy Jones.
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