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It's refreshing up. 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Then the whole story specific life ought to rend events 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: to shake the person that you Henry Yatta Champion and 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: carry Champion, the girl you did it. It's the greatest 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: in sports and entertainment Connaked with every Champion and carry 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: champions to be a champion, the Champion, they carry Champion, 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: they girl tity chain the Champion, they carry Champion and 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: carry Champion, Raders, Raiders and sports and entertainmaking naked women. 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: The people I felt like gave me the most game, 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: the most wisdom that taught me the most. Who I 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: feel like I owed something? Tube wasn't there? Hey, everyone, 18 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: welcome to Naked with Carrie Champion. My next guest is 19 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: a perfect example of what it means to be naked 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: to tell the truth when you really don't feel like 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: telling the truth, because it exposes who you really are. 22 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: And if you want to sit here and join me 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: on this podcast in your underwear or without clothes on 24 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: at all and your birthday suit, do that too. I 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: don't think I can do that because if I'm being honest, 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: which is what I'm going to try to do and vulnerable, 27 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: I don't want you to see the dimples in my booty. 28 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: I don't want you to see what I am filtering out, 29 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, on the Graham. But I am willing to 30 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: reveal my soul, my spirit, my heart, and to me, 31 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: that's far more valuable than the physical. And that's what 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: my next guest is going to do. He is going 33 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: to tell us who he is from top to bottom. 34 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: And I'm sure, in fact, I promise you it's a 35 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: lesson in that Sit back, relax, get naked if you like, 36 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: but pay attention to our next guest as he joins 37 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: us on the Naked Podcast. My name is Stephen Jesse Jackson. 38 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: My grandfather's name is Jesse Jackson, so I'm similar just 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: like him. I think I inherited a lot of his traits. Uh, 40 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: he was the bread. He was the bread one our 41 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: family in the backbone. He provided for everybody. And what's 42 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: funny was the year he passed was my first year 43 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: in the NBA. So I feel like I inherited that 44 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: role to protecting and and and provide for the family. 45 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: I was born and put out to Texas. Well. Actually 46 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: I was born in Houston, Texas, our away from Port Art, 47 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: the Texas and uh, I was raised there and I 48 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: was about four or five years old in third Ward, Texas. 49 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: You all know Stephen Jackson as an NBA champion. You 50 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: know him as a podcaster and analyst, uh and arguably 51 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: a face of a civil rights movement that changed our However, 52 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson at his core was a basketball player. He 53 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: had a natural talent at a very young age, of 54 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: talent that I'm sure he would say he took for granted. 55 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: And if it wasn't for folks who noticed that talent 56 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood and demanded that he used his talent, 57 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: he wouldn't be where he is today. Take a listen 58 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: to Stephen Jackson talking about his childhood. Well, I started 59 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: playing basketball when I was four. Um, I remember having 60 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: a friend named Charlie, and he was the kid in 61 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: the neighborhood that had all the games. You know, he 62 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: had everything, so all the kids like me and didn't 63 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: have that used to go to this house at the 64 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: school and hanging him and try to play his games 65 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: and stuff. And his dad. He played basketball. They had 66 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: a y m C. A team at the time, and 67 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: I was good on the west side, but my mom 68 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: did have money. Nobody had money for me to join 69 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: the league. So his parents brought me on the team 70 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: and allowed me to play with them and Parry, the 71 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: guy named Perry golber Um. I think my first game 72 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: carry Uh. We went to Baumin and player team and 73 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: that scored the final score. The game was forty two 74 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: to forty four. I had forty two points and my 75 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: other team they had too. Uh. At that age, people 76 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: saw something in me, and I'm five years old, so 77 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: I really don't know what. I'm just playing basketball, having 78 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: fun As time passed, millions of times where almost ruined 79 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: my life, millions of times where I wanted to be at, 80 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: the millions of times where I almost got arrested, millions 81 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: of times where I almost got shot. My city protected 82 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: me and I think as I was growing up and 83 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: playing basketball. I got to home my senior in high school. UM, 84 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: we had just won the championship in ninety five and 85 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: I was supposed to go to oak Kill Academy my 86 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: senior year. My uh, this is one of the biggest 87 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: high high school basketball programs in the country. I didn't 88 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: want to go. I wanted to stand in the the hood 89 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: and play basketball and winnings another state championship with my people. 90 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: I had no idea thinking about the NBN that my 91 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: coach and my mom pulled me to the side and 92 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: basically worse to me to go to Okahill Academy. I'm 93 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: not even thinking, you know where the school could take 94 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: him at the time. I just wanted to stay with 95 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: my friends, play basketball and be a normal kid, just 96 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: not knowing the sending me to Okhill was the best 97 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: thing for me. I was able to make the mcdown's 98 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: game and all types of stuff. I was saying that 99 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: to say they saw something in me as a teenager 100 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: that I didn't see. I didn't see the NBA. I 101 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: didn't even see college. I was saying, survival, Carrey. I 102 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: was trying to survive to see the next day I 103 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: was trying to I was trying to hangle my friends, 104 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: but not get shot like my friends. You know. It 105 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: was it was, it was all those type of things 106 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: that I was dealing with, not even thinking about basketball. 107 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: But I was blessed to have those people in my 108 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: life to see for the than I could see. Nothing 109 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: has ever come easy for Stephen Jackson. And he'll tell 110 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: you that himself. However, uh leaving Arizona not by choice, 111 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: but because he wasn't doing what he was supposed to do. 112 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: He didn't graduate and enter the draft in a traditional 113 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: way like the other standouts who had the same exact 114 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: resume he did. For instance, Kobe Bryant was in his 115 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: quote unquote draft class, but Stephen Jackson and had to 116 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: take an unlikely route to the NBA. And it was 117 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: all because he still was fighting with the streets. He 118 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: couldn't let them go. My best friend named John John's 119 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: arrest in peace. I used to I used to drive 120 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: back and forth from US to Houston with him a 121 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: lot of time to do some things for him. So 122 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: he's getting his house rated by the Drug Task Force. 123 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: A lot of the people that worked at the Drug 124 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: Task Force was at our high school game. So they 125 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: know me and they know my family from the city. 126 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: His house is getting raided. He's across the street at 127 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: the neighbor's house and he calls me. It was like, bro, 128 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: I need you anything. You're the reason why I got 129 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: on Jordan's right now, like anything. He's like, they tear 130 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: my house up there in my room, but what they're 131 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: looking for is not in my room. It's in the 132 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: front room. I need you to go get it. I'm like, man, please, 133 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: I ain't no way. This is what I'm thinking in 134 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: my mind. But then again I'm thinking this is this 135 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: is who feed me right now? You know, I want 136 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,679 Speaker 1: my brother to look nice if I have the draft party, 137 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: I want to look nice. You know, all these things 138 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: wrong from through my mind. So I go, I get 139 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: this girl to bring me. I go over there. I 140 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: knock on the door. Um, his aunt answers the door 141 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: and her son is down on the side of it. 142 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: Just so happened, Uh isn't his cousin played basketball as well? 143 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: So when I got in the door and the police 144 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: ran to the front door, what are you doing here? 145 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: We know you know what John is tell us my 146 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: I thought, quick, I'm here to check on his little cousin. 147 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: He played basketball with me. I saw the police. I'm 148 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: just trying to figure out what's going on. We know 149 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: you line, where's John Johnson? Bad? They went back to 150 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: the room. As soon as I walk in, I look 151 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: at this. Up there is eye. She looked at me. 152 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: We both know what I'm there for. Grabbed it, put 153 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: it in my drawers, run out the door. As I'm 154 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: walking out the door, carry I'm grabbing the car door. 155 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: All I hear is Jackson. Immediately my body going the 156 00:07:54,360 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: full sway, soaking with I'm so nervous. What I have 157 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: on me carry could have put me in jail for 158 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: thirty years. He tapped me on my shoulders, like Jackson, 159 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: we know you know what John Johnson. As I turned around, 160 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm sweating. He just hands me his card. I take 161 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: the card, hopping the car, go get John and go 162 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: to Houston. He gives me ten thou knowledge for that 163 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: now carry I It was the dumbest thing that I 164 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: could have ever done in my life, getting ready to 165 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: go to the NBA. But I wasn't in that mind, Brame, 166 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: you know I was thinking about that moment. I wasn't, 167 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know if I was gonna make 168 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: it to the draft, you know, and uh, but that 169 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: was that was probably the craziest thing and the dumbest 170 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: thing I did at that moment, and the reason why 171 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson says that was the dumbest thing he could 172 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: have ever done, especially in that moment. He's on his 173 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: way to the league, his life is getting ready to change. 174 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: Your friend asked for a favor, and that favor leads 175 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: him to a very compromising position. If the cops decided 176 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: to search him in that moment, what do you think 177 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: would have happened? And if he would have searched me, 178 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: would have been over with. You have never heard about 179 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson, and he's right, we would have never heard 180 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: about Steven Jackson. But we have and he's here today, 181 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: and as he's made his way in the league and 182 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: become a success, he also talks about those who didn't 183 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: make it with him. A lot of who he is, 184 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: a lot of his naked characteristics have to do with death. 185 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: He talks about losing his older brother and how that 186 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: eventually shaped him until the person he is today. My 187 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: older brother was killed over a girl that he was dating. 188 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: Three guys jumped in bust his head with pipes where 189 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: he had eighteen staples in his head. He was, he 190 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: was the best fan. He wouldn't have lived anyway, you know, um, 191 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: I think a dad a dad too. After it happened, 192 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: he died, you know, I got a chance to say 193 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: something to him, and he shed a tear, and he 194 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: died couple hours after a big reason for me making 195 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: it was because of him. A lot of us, a 196 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: lot of the good and bad stuff I learned from 197 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: the older brother, talking to girls, smoking weed, sneaking alcohol 198 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: in the movies, to see menister society and juice. I 199 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: was with him. I learned everything from him. And I 200 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: knew the life he was living was because he wanted 201 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: to see a better life, you know. And and I 202 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: knew a lot of things my brother was doing in 203 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: the streets. A lot of people respecting me because of 204 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: the stuff he was doing, you know what I mean, 205 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: whether it was good or bad. They left me alone 206 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: because of him. And so I knew. I knew his 207 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: heart carry I knew its hard, whether it was you know, 208 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: he did some things that he shouldn't have done. I 209 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: knew his hard and I felt like if I had 210 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: a chance to make a wife. He's alive. I kind 211 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: of I could have changed some things around. It hurt. 212 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: My grandfather wasn't there. That hurt the people I felt 213 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: like gave me the most game, the most wisdom, that 214 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: taught me the most. Who I felt like I owed 215 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: something too, wasn't there. It hurt, But at the same time, 216 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: I was happy because you know, it's still my mom, 217 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: my brother, my stisters, still people. You know, I had 218 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: two kids at the time when I first got in 219 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: be so I still have responsibilities. I still have people 220 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: cared about. But I knew having HM, having my brother 221 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: with me, it would just have been different. I would 222 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: have been I would have been protected. I wouldn't have 223 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: to be to protect all the time, you know what 224 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean. And that's just the security he gave me. 225 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: So after a few years of being cut and trying 226 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: out for different teams in the league and also playing overseas, 227 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson finds himself and the starting lineup in two 228 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: thousand for the New Jersey Nets. It's a bitter sweet 229 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: situation to care because I get there. I'm starting the 230 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: whole first half of the season. I'm leading all rookies 231 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: and scoring, make the Rookie All Star Game, come back 232 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: after the rookie I don't play at all. I don't start, 233 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: I don't play. I'm like, what did I do? Like? 234 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: What did I do? You know what I'm saying. And 235 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if they wanted to play their veterans 236 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: At that time. Byron scott wife was was really like 237 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: a second mother to me because I was there. I 238 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: was eighteen, eighteen nights at the time, nights at a time, 239 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: and she knew I was young. I was living by myself, 240 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: so and they and Byron Hunt and Byron Scott had 241 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: a son at that time that me and he were 242 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: kind of close. We were the same age, and she 243 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: really catered to me like she really care. She took 244 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: care of me like she treated me like her own son. 245 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: I don't think Byron Scott liked that. I I don't 246 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: think he agreed with that, and they're divorced now, but 247 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: I don't think he agreed with that at the time. 248 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: And I think that's why he stopped playing me, because 249 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't nobody better than me at the time. I 250 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: was young, I was doing my job, I was playing well, 251 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: but for me to come back fresh from Rookie All 252 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: Star and not play at all. I knew it was 253 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: something personal, to the point where I stopped playing and 254 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: we're playing in San Antonio Spurs a halftime, I'm just 255 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: standing over there in my suit and I was in 256 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: my uniform and uh, Mike, Mike Brown came up, was like, 257 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: why you're not playing? Like, man, your guests is better 258 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: than mine. Man, I just don't want to say the 259 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: wrong with that until your coach, bro, you know I will. 260 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, I know, but keep your head. 261 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: We come and get you in so many words. And 262 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: so after that season, I end up playing Summer League 263 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: with San Antonio. Uh end up becoming second and scoring 264 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: behind Dirt the Whiskey in the Utah Summer League to 265 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: the point where I bawled out so much right after 266 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: the game. Pop pulled me to the side. Stephen Jackson, 267 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: you can be on this team, you can play, you 268 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: belong in this league. You can't smoke weed. You can't 269 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: smoke weed on my team. Jack I'm ting my Pop 270 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: was clears day with it before you even offered me 271 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: a contract or anything. I'm looking at you. I know, 272 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: he smoked. I hear you smoke. You don't hide it. 273 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: As soon as I left Pop, I would smoke before 274 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: and after I signed the contract. I smoke care but 275 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: I had to say what I had to say to 276 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: get the cheddar. You know what I'm saying. He and Uh, 277 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: But I think Pop, because getting to San Antonio carry, 278 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: I think that's when I became a professional. That's when 279 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: I learned this game is more than just playing the game. 280 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: Learned how to prepare. I learned how to be a man. 281 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: I learned how to be a professional. I learned how 282 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: to be a teammate. I learned I learned how to 283 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: be a better brother to my teammates in San Antonio. 284 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: Pap was like a father figure at some point, because 285 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: you know, all the things that I was doing, I 286 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: had friends stand with me. You know what I'm saying. 287 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: The girl I was with at the time wasn't the 288 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: best for me. And to be honest with you, Pop 289 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: seeing that as soon as I met it, he told 290 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: me she wasn't a want for me. Yes, Pop told me, 291 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: and Uh. Tim took me in like a big brother, 292 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: him and him and Steve Steve Smith. They took me 293 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: in like a big brother. On the flip side, David Robinson, 294 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: his wife. I was going to spend holidays with them, 295 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: going to church with them. So I had a balance 296 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: of everything in San Antonio, you know, I had had 297 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: a balance to everything. And I think being there be 298 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: able to play with two Hall of famers and David 299 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: Robinson and Tim Duncan, winning the championship with David Robinson 300 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: his last year is on his retirement year, I think 301 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: that all made me. That was my UH moment where 302 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: I felt like I belonged here. When once I won 303 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: the championship and Tim knocker Get called me the ultimate 304 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: teammate and David gave me credit of all the big shots, 305 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: I felt like, that's when I find little Rod And 306 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: that's when I belonged in the NBA, that moment, winning 307 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: that championship. Every champion and carry champion is to be 308 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: a champion, a champion and carry champion and carry chapion. 309 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: A champion and carry chapion and carry chappions and sports 310 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: and entertainment connect work every champion and carry champions. To 311 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: be a champion, a champion, they carry champion, the champion, 312 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: they carry champion and carry champion and sports and the the 313 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: taming cannake warm so here's the irony. Stephen Jackson wins 314 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: a chip with the Spurs and he becomes, as he 315 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: just said, a professional, right, he is now a professional, 316 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: and I agree with him in so many ways because 317 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: it really does change your mindset. But after he leaves 318 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: the Spurs, he goes and he plays with the Pacers, 319 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: and this is arguable what he's known for famously or infamously, 320 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: which is the malice and the palace. I asked even 321 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: to tell us what happened, and only a way in 322 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: which he can do. The brawl situation was crazy in Detroit. 323 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: We were planning in Detroit at the time. The previous 324 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: year I wasn't on the Pacers. They played in Detroit 325 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference finals. It was a big robbery 326 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: that was almost fighting, went the blows and he trotted 327 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: to win. The next year, we were the favorite because 328 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: this is my first time on his team, and added 329 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: me to this team made the roster so much better. 330 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: That we had that one of the top teams and 331 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: they would say we're going within a championship where that 332 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: game was a big game and it was a statement 333 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: game and it was on TV. Come to the fourth quarter, 334 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: we're blowing them out. We're up by fifteen twenty. We 335 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: all had good games. We're talking ship carry. It's gonna 336 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: be along. Yep, y'all, Yeah, y'all, y'all run last year 337 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: a little bit back, you know, we're talking cash crap, 338 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: Ron and being going at it, you know, because they 339 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: had words or whatever. So it got to point where 340 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm at the free throw line fifteen fifteen, probably forty 341 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: five seconds left, something like that carried. I shoot a 342 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: free throw, first three free through, I'll make it. I 343 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: stepped back to give Ron and Jamal Tensiley five. As 344 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: I do that, I hear Jamal say you can get 345 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: your file back wrong. Remember I didn't play with him 346 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: in the finals the previous year, so I really didn't 347 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: know what that meant. But any time I've been on 348 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: that team long enough, any time you give Ron, I'll 349 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: put a battery in this bag. I'll give any type 350 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: of confidence to do something dumb. He gonna do it. 351 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: Here's our tast explaining why he has be forbid Wallace, 352 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: Me and Ben Wallace beef as basketball. He's getting defensive 353 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: player in the years and I want that that simple right, Yeah, Yeah, 354 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: I was gonna get it. I let the lead in 355 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: tex flavoring. This media is not voting from you know 356 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: how that going, and you you out to know what 357 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: was for you, buddy. So it was. And then I 358 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: came back and got it the next show. I was 359 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: gonna get it again. He got it when I got 360 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: spend it. He wouldn't get that right. He's a great 361 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: That was an opportunity right there. So I think that's 362 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: where you know. We're on the court, Me and bend 363 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: and guard each other and were busting their ass. But 364 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: sometimes me and Ben will get into the mix. So 365 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: as I running down court, I'm like, it gotta be 366 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: being who are thinking about filing? I can see him 367 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: talk tracks. Nobody else doing the game care, so I 368 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: run a guard bar just so he came file him. 369 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: They throw the ball to bed. The clocks wrannna not 370 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: carry you from to go home with a win. And 371 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: then at the end of the games you don't want 372 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: to find nobody that sent him to the free throw line. 373 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: So I'm guarding band, just a little token defense, and 374 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: I let him score. But as he's going up and score, 375 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: rong come from out of nowhere. Now now immediately when 376 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: the file happened, you have to be there to see this. 377 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: Being got maybe two hundred pounds heavier at that moment. 378 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: He just blew up right and I'm seeing this, and 379 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: he comes towards Ron and put his whole honds in 380 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: both his eyes and push his head so hard carry 381 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm looking to see if it came off. I'm kind 382 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: of looking the stands to see if his head came off. 383 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: He pushed Ron so where Ron had to gather him stuff. 384 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: You know, Ron is a big old boy too, so 385 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: at the Ron gather himself, they about the lost up. 386 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: We end up breaking it up kind of you. Geby 387 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: gets to a pushing match and just so happened. I 388 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: was I was already cool with Rep. Hamilton and I 389 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 1: was cool with she. I was like my brother, so 390 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: we wasn't really trying to fight each other. But then 391 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: had got to the point where as I'm trying to 392 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: break it up, I see my close friend Rip Hamilton's 393 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: still talking ship. So I you turned out the huddle 394 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: and square up put my church. I'm square with him 395 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: and Lindsey Hunter because I'm I didn't went to that mode. Now, 396 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: Okay they talked, Okay, I'm in fighting mode now. Coaches 397 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: grabbed me me break it up. I calmed down. Ron 398 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: is laying on the scores table. So what people don't 399 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: know is Ron was seeing a counselor or some type 400 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: of lady he was talking to. I don't know what 401 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: they call it. But they had me, Oh, trust me carry, 402 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: They had me do a couple of sessions with the two. 403 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: They thought I was crazy too, but she was a sweetheart. 404 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: She was a sweetheart. She knew he wasn't crazy. She 405 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: was just getting that check and doing her job. I 406 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: felt on that. And uh so they told Ron, when 407 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: you get to the point where you can't control yourself, 408 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: go lay down, find a pieceful place this they told him, 409 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: finds a happy place, right, So he did. He did 410 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: when they was destructed to do they know the stories 411 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: have and he took the analysis headphones and put him 412 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: on his head so he can block everything out. Okay, 413 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: good job. Run to the point where resiments Procyller was 414 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: proud of it, Resci whenever they put his hand on 415 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: his chest, like that's what I'm talking about, Ron, I'm 416 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: proud of you what I just wanted to be doing. 417 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: While he trying to calm down, whoever this guy is, 418 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: he has to be a novice and cup throw. He 419 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: threw the cup Carrie where it stayed upright all the 420 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: way to it got the roar, and yet run upright, 421 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: didn't flip through on him. They had a bet that 422 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: the beer colambed are okay in any state. You throw 423 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: water anything in somebody face outside, it's a salt. Today 424 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: it's a salt. Ron looked at the stands and saw 425 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: two guys flapping and like, yeah, we made in Atlantic. 426 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: I wanted the bet, not knowing as he'd be lined 427 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: up there. He grabbed the wrong guy, so he's don't 428 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: keep come beating up this dude, and the guy who 429 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: actually threw the beer grabbed him from behind. So by 430 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: that time I'm making up the steps a row above 431 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: row and as I land, I put my hands on rung. 432 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: Another guy throws another beer and run face you fair game, Hi, 433 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: come herep lay him down. As I knocked him down, 434 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm on my way to I'm on my way to 435 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: go Sammy Davidson and go stump him out. I got 436 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: pulled back. I end up landing on the dude who 437 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: actually threw the billing run so I'm tagging him in 438 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: the head bath. Fat back. I get pulled off by 439 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: David Harrison six ten two nine and he has me 440 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: in the choke hole, not knowing he's choking me. Carry 441 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: So I'm looking at Rashi tell her Rashi trying to 442 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: tell him, I'm he's choking me. I'm passing out because 443 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: during the whole time you're drealling the pump, you would 444 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: have don'ta breathe like he's posts. I'm not a boxing 445 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: so I don't want it. So my dreading was pumping, 446 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: so I really wasn't breathing. So I'm understands looking at 447 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: sheet and I'm blacking out. Carre, I'm about to pass 448 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: out side he some kind of way. I grabbed his own. 449 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: He let me go and out stand up and as 450 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: I stand up and you look at it, Hid grabbed me. 451 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: We all start walking back down to the court. As 452 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm walking to the court, I see chuck persons and 453 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: grabbing Ron and I'm following Ron to the back to 454 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: the locker room. Carried every refreshment that that they sold 455 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: at that arena. I had a taste of it on 456 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: my uniform. Popcorn, mis hot dogs, pickles. I just had 457 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: advertising everything on my jersey walking to bottle there and 458 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: as I got in the locker room two. This is 459 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: this is where the story gets crazy. After I get 460 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: in the locker room, I sit down, Jamal Tens is 461 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: just over the lack, like he thinks this was just 462 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: the funniest thing yever. He like he but but I 463 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: gotta give him the benefit of that. He laughed at everything. 464 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: No good a bat he laughed everything. I sit down 465 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: and I put my hands on my legs kind of like, 466 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: and I pull up. My hands are full of blood 467 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: my hand from me jumping over the bleaches and all. 468 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: I didn't pay no attention to none of that care. 469 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: I was in the mode. All my legs are scratched up, 470 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at my legs and like, man, as 471 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure myself together. Ron tappan Sta, you 472 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: think we're gonna get in trouble? Yeah, let me think 473 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: about that, Ron Travel, Well, are you lucky we have 474 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: a job tomorrow? Ron Ord tests saying do you think 475 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: we're in trouble? Well, that was only a small part 476 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: of what would happen. Stephen Jackson was suspended for thirty 477 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: games and lost close to two million dollars in salary. 478 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: Because of the malice and the palace. Not to mention, 479 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: the then commissioner, David Stern started in forcing all type 480 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: of rules to make sure nothing like that would ever 481 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: happen again. There was a dress code. Players could only 482 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: behave or act a certain way because they wanted to 483 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: ensure the fans that they were quote unquote safe. I 484 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: have my own opinions on that, but we'll leave that there. 485 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: The point of the matter is is that the quality 486 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: of being loyal. It's something that Stephen Jackson holds near 487 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: and dear, and he says it's often the reason why 488 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: people just don't understand who he is. I've been so 489 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: misunderstood for running in the stands with Ron and for 490 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: helping Jamal Tensei shoot my gun try to help him 491 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: at at the strip club, and people don't know. I 492 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: was probably five minutes from my brother was getting beat 493 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: to death. I was five minutes away from not knowing 494 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: it what's going on. So not being not being able 495 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: to be there for my brother, I think that haunted 496 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: me a lot, where I'll make it a point to 497 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: beat up for the guys I called my brother today. 498 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: You know, that's why they think twice to go on 499 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: the stands for Ron. That's why they think twice to 500 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: help Jamal Tensei, That's why they think twice to go 501 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: to Minnesota stand up with George Floyd. Because I've always 502 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: been my brother's keeper and and and being so close 503 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: to my brother and not being that that always haunted me. 504 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: So I've always took pride. And if I feel like 505 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: you're my brother, if I'm with you, if I tell 506 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: you I love you and I know it's reciprocated, I've 507 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: through a wall for you. And that's just that's just 508 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: how I bassed this. Then from day one, Stephen Jackson 509 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: has been unapologetic about being loyal, and it was that 510 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: same loyalty that led him to become one of the 511 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: faces of a national civil rights movement. One of his 512 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: dear friends was murdered by police officers. We know him 513 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: as George Floyd, but Stephen Jackson called him Georgie. Georgie 514 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: me and George was always in the streets care. We 515 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: never did anything care but hang out, get bent and 516 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: go to club. That's all we did. So we had 517 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: a mutual friend named Telly Joyce rest in Peace Teller, 518 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: so he knew me as a yachster playing basketball, and uh, 519 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: I used to always playing on the courts while the 520 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: drugs were sold. He come, He came to me, like, Bro, 521 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: I got a homeboy that looked just like you. Y'all 522 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: might had the same daddy here a little old to you. 523 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, y'all, I look alike Bro. I'm like, man, please, man, 524 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: I'm a team. At the times, I don't think they're 525 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: making fun of me. He brings Florida back the next week. 526 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: As soon as I see Floyd, we see each other, 527 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, Dad, Yo, dad, that's how much we 528 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: look alike. And uh, we just became cool. Un respect 529 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,239 Speaker 1: what what we called each other. Twin. This is a 530 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: coordinated activity happening across this nation, and so we are 531 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: in a state of emergency. Black people are dying in 532 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: a state of emergency that we cannot look at this 533 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: as an isolated incident. The reason why buildings are burning 534 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: are not just for our brother. George. Floyd got killed 535 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: for doing for what I'm doing here. Mike Macael Mex 536 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: got killed for doing what I'm doing. So I get 537 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: a week ten of fifteen death threats. But people just 538 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: don't want equality They don't hate me, they just don't 539 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: want us to be an equal. And it's been tough 540 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: because a lot of times I didn't know what I 541 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: was doing. Carried my first four weeks and been in Minnesota, 542 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: I didn't I'll guarantee you I probably slept ten hours 543 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: in four weeks because I was I wanted to continue 544 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: to make my people proud. Um I want. I wanted 545 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: to do right for Georgie, you know, and people and 546 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know when when when Georgie 547 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: got killed, I was still in pain from Kobe. I 548 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: was I like, when that happened, I left my neighborhood, 549 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: just walked like I was still hurting from Kobe. And 550 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: that was a close brother of mine. So when that happened, 551 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: like everything just came out at one time. It's just 552 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: like I've been holding it in. Okay, now enough is enough. 553 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: I can't take the more. I've never felt so helpless 554 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: in my life. What can I do to help my 555 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: brother and carry I have to say this, I had 556 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: no idea what I was going down there, and do 557 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: I knew nine out of ten times when this happens 558 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: to a black male. First thing they tried to do 559 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: is assist, assassinate their character, bring up old stuff, and 560 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 1: none of them ever had an NBA player. Were one 561 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: of the hottest podcasts in the world to speak on 562 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: their behalf. I had to be that. I had to 563 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: be his voice. And everything I said at the press conference, 564 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: I think, uh, here, having to make them matter we 565 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: speak before me, that all helped me. You know. I mean, 566 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: I love us so much. Oh my god, I'll shout 567 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: out to me him and I love us so much. 568 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: And I think hearing her speak before me it helped 569 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: me relax because I didn't you know, everything I said 570 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: came up the top of my head and from my heart, 571 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: and uh it helped me relax and make me get 572 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: ahold of what I the message that I wanted to 573 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: come across, because before I spoke carry, a lot of 574 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: people was thinking I was coming with fuck white people, 575 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: I hate all y'all our motherfucker. That's what they were expecting, 576 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, That's what they was expecting. 577 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: But as you know, Carrie, I hit him with that 578 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: articulate ship and at the same time getting my point across, 579 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: and it made it real simple. I love everybody, but 580 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: the time of playing both sides. It's over either you 581 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: with us or you against us. And I'm glad that 582 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: I was able to speak in the intelligent manner, uh 583 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: a heartfelt manner and carry. I had no idea I'll 584 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: be the face of the biggest civil rights movement ever, 585 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: eighteen countries, fifty states. I can never thought this would 586 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: be who I am. I've always been the guy and 587 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: go out throw stuff at me. I embrace it, but 588 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: it's good or bad because I know either as a 589 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: test or it's a blessing. So I'm gonna I embrace 590 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: it all the time. And I embraced I had. I 591 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: had embraced this tooth carry with going down there, but 592 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: I didn't know all this was gonna come from you. 593 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm glad I did go down there because not only 594 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 1: did I do something, I did something for the world. 595 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: But my life has changed, Carre. My life has changed 596 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: from this for the better because it's forced me to 597 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: not be a hypocrite. I can't say that my brother's 598 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: keeping and I'm promoting music with somebody killing somebody. Are 599 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: they talking about shooting each other up? I take pride 600 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: in taking these steps and not being a hypocrite. And 601 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: I love the person I am now, and and and 602 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: I hate I had to lose my brother for all 603 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: these things that happened in my life. But I know 604 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: he's smiling down knowing that his death is not going 605 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: in avant. And he changed the world. A lot of 606 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: things are changing from from his incident, and I'm just 607 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: thankful that I had a part in this. Past summer 608 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: was one that we will never forget. It changed everyone, 609 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: including Stephen Jackson. The division, the healing, the hurt, the 610 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: pain oftentimes documented in so many different ways. And now 611 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: the trial of the officer who is accused of murdering 612 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: George Floyd is underway. If you look back on everything 613 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: that's happened, the question is simply to Stephen Jackson, would 614 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: you have done anything differently? I think I would have 615 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: went harder. You know, I was out there protests and 616 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: I was doing this and doing that. But I think 617 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: during the time when it first happened, I think we 618 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: could have we could have did more as far as 619 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: far as getting them to understand exactly why we all 620 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: get to stuff up, because because even if you look 621 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: at it after that Rashard Brooks A mard Auberry, they 622 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: still didn't get it, so obviously we didn't do enough 623 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: because it's still happening. So in my mind, I could 624 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: have done more. I don't know what it is because 625 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing when I went 626 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: down there. But if I could have done something different, 627 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: carry I would have done more. Stephen Jackson the basketball player, 628 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson, the the podcaster, slash analysts, Stephen Jackson, the businessman, 629 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson the activists. There um so many people see 630 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: you in a lot of different ways. Stephen Jackson a 631 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: family man. You always talk about your babies. Um. Stephen 632 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: Jackson the ladies man. You gotta you know, no one 633 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: really knows your personal life. You got I don't tell. 634 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't tell nobody my businesses. I know people businesses. 635 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: But is there a part of you that feels like 636 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: I know for me there is. But is there a 637 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: part of you that feels like you're not being honest 638 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: with everyone about who you are and you wish you 639 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: could remove that mask. I think with me, Garry, I 640 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: want my emotions on us leave and I think I 641 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: give my honest self to the world more than the 642 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: normal guy. You know. I think as far as how 643 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: I live, who who I am as a person, what 644 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: I have, what I but, but what I've obtained, who 645 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: I love and who I hate. That's clear at day. 646 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: I don't have skeletons in my closet. You can't assassinate 647 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: my character in no type of way. But I think 648 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,240 Speaker 1: I do have things in my past that people would judge. 649 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 1: You know, people judge people for selling drugs. People judge 650 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: people for carrying guns. People people judge people for certain stuff. 651 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: I could care less, but people still tend to judge 652 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: people like that. I have kids who I care what 653 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: they think. I care what they here, and I think, 654 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: for the most part, what I'm doing today means more 655 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: than me than anything I did in basketball. I honestly 656 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: feel like I wasn't appreciating in basketball three or four years. 657 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: I should have made the All Star Game, and I 658 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: simply didn't make it because I had my teammates back 659 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: in the Broa, not because of the way I played 660 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: the game. Because I speak my mind when the coach 661 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: is wrong on the teammate, I'll make a rap song 662 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: when the Clippers have a racist owner. Those are the 663 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: reasons why I don't give my accoladesal plan in the NBA. 664 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: So I never really was was felt like I was 665 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: respected and gave a fat chance in NBA carry I 666 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: honestly don't I think. I think I was judged and 667 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: and and scrutinized. Um even with the broad care we 668 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: if the brawl happened today, we wouldn't get suspended. With 669 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: everything that's going on today, we wouldn't have got suspended. 670 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 1: We're at work. A guy throws a beer on the court, 671 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: how are we supposed to respond? At that time, they 672 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: was trying to save the game and stop the game 673 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: for being so hood and so black. So they was 674 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: looking for a reason to change the dress code. They 675 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: was looking for somebody to blame to have a faith 676 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: for Okay, this is why we're changing all the rules 677 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: because these guys and they were looking for it at 678 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: the time. And I fit. I fit the bill. Fine, 679 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: I'm cool with it. What I'm doing now means more 680 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: than me. I want to be known for being the 681 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: ace of eighteen countries and the and the fifty States, 682 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: the biggest civil rights movement. I want to be known 683 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: as the face could change. What I'm doing now, going 684 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: from the city of the city trying to make it 685 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: to all fifty states, giving back to people who I 686 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 1: know need people in these areas that the whole world 687 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: know that if we come together, we can kind of 688 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: end all this poverty. We know all this stuff, but 689 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: we're not doing the fact that I'm able to give 690 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: a help in hand care. This means more to me 691 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: than any basketball, any ring I could wear. This means 692 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,959 Speaker 1: more because I'm actually changing lives and I'm doing something 693 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: that's bigger than me. I'm not playing the game. I'm 694 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: actually giving my time, my finances, my my my my health, everything. 695 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: I'm putting everything on the line for better men, for 696 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: other people, and uh, no better feeling. I've never had 697 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: no better feeling. To be honest, I feel like Stephen 698 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: Jackson has shared all he is needed to share on 699 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: this platform, but I have to ask him in this moment, 700 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 1: when was the last time, or if ever, you found 701 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:04,439 Speaker 1: yourself completely vulnerable? When are you naked? My oldest daughter, 702 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: no more than anybody, anybody on this earth. My daughter 703 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: knows more. She She's never judged me. She's never judged me. 704 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: She's my best friend. Um. I think she's kind of 705 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: like my shrink because I know she's not gonna judge me. 706 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: You know I can't. My Tamiya Jackson and Scottie Jackson, 707 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: I can't do no wrong in their eyes, and I 708 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: want to keep you that way. I'm really grateful that 709 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson came on the podcast today. I appreciate his honesty, UM, 710 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: and I appreciate him saying he is at his most 711 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: vulnerable naked when he is with his daughters. And for 712 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: many men, it's their daughters who can do that, who 713 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 1: can bring that out of them. So there's that honesty 714 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: that only your children can elictit. I do believe though, 715 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: his best naked emotion is his loyalty, UM. And the 716 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: reason why I say it's a naked emotion is because 717 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: he does it so selflessly. I don't know if you 718 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: were able to understand the dynamics of him losing his 719 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: brother and not being there to help him, and why 720 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: as a result of that, he feels it necessary to 721 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: protect those that are in his life that he cares about, 722 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: that he considers family, that he considers close friends. That 723 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: was the thing throughout this entire podcast, when he talked 724 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: about every single important moment in his life, it was 725 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: the loyalty that kept him there, that kept him coming back. 726 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 1: That allowed him to define who he was, to make 727 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 1: him feel better about who he is as a human. 728 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: For instance, the malice in the Palace. Not everybody's running 729 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: into the stand to protect ron artests or even help 730 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 1: him correct. In fact, everyone wasn't. It was Stephen Jackson, 731 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: and there was a reason for that. And he did 732 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: it without even caring what others would say. I mean, 733 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: the repercussions being fined, what the league is going to 734 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: say about you, what's your basketball legacy would ultimately look 735 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: like because you were a part of something that was 736 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: considered a black eye for the NBA. He didn't care 737 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,720 Speaker 1: about any of those things. To me, that's a beautiful quality. 738 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: And I often think to myself, am I that kind 739 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: of friend? I mean, I'm listening to him tell this 740 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: story over and over again. Am I that kind of friend? 741 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: Can I do that? And I don't know. I had 742 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: to be honest with y'all, I think I am. I'm 743 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: sure my friends would tell you that I am. But 744 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: I can't tell you that I'm running into the stands 745 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: with the malice in the Palace. I can tell you 746 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: what I what I could do. That same loyalty was 747 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: on display when he went to Minneapolis to make sure 748 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: people knew who George Floyd was. That was his friend, 749 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 1: and what happened to his friend was not right, it 750 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: was not fair. And you heard him say over and 751 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 1: over again, he had no idea what he was doing 752 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: when he went to Minnesota, but he did it anyway 753 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: because he's a loyal friend and he wanted to make 754 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,919 Speaker 1: sure that someone spoke for George Floyd because he didn't 755 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: have a voice. And now that is a beautiful thing. 756 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: But again it's that same beautiful, naked emotion of being loyal, 757 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: and I salute Stephen Jackson for that. The officer accused 758 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: of murdering George Floyd. His trial is actually underway as 759 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: we do this podcast. Simultaneously, we also found out that 760 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: the Floyd family received a twenty seven million dollar civil 761 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: suit settlement. Now that's interesting because all the while what 762 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: happened is summer where we saw a racial renaissance of righteousness, 763 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: something that we hadn't seen within the last sixty years. 764 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,280 Speaker 1: Really described the emotions of a frustrated people, a frustrated culture. 765 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, there was healing, 766 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 1: healing for Stephen Jackson specifically, he is a loyal person 767 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: and often described as a troublemaker in the league. Misunderstood 768 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: in the league, it was his loyalty. He wanted to 769 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: be his brother's keeper. Now, while being his brother's keeper, 770 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: he found himself in compromising situations. But now he is 771 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: arguably the face of one of the largest civil rights 772 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,720 Speaker 1: movements we've seen within the last sixty years. I'm also 773 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: glad to hear him share his story because it puts 774 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: in perspective what we all should be trying to do, 775 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: and that is really evaluate who we are from top 776 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: to bottom when we're at our most vulnerable. I appreciate you' 777 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: all listening. Tune in next week. I may wear my underwear, 778 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: I may not. That's none of your business. Though I 779 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: might have dimples in my booty. I may not. None 780 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: of your business though. Uh joined us for another edition 781 00:41:39,000 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: of the Naked Podcast with Yours Truly, Carrie Champion and 782 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: play Lin