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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: What's going on, man? How you doing? I'm good man,

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Speaker 1: Same old, same old thing. Adjusting to uh, I guess

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Speaker 1: looking forward to that. Yeah. A bunch of people on

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Speaker 1: one there's one keeper of the board, so it's either

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Speaker 1: your you know, your general manager or your director of

431
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Speaker 1: player personnel. But one person is in charge of the

432
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: master board. And most teams have digital boards in their room,

433
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: so that's it's all on the computer. It pops up

434
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: on there. But even if you just had an old

435
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: school cards upon the wall, um, you're still going to

436
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: have that in your computer. And there's one person that

437
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 1: keeps it. So like when I started with the Baltimore Ravens,

438
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: Ozzy was a GM, but Phil ran the draft board.

439
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: So Phil would have all that in his computer. So

440
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: you know when you go around the room, and you're

441
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Speaker 1: gonna be doing this over virtual meetings. Now, UM saying okay,

442
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 1: we're going to discuss uh Neville Gallimore. We've got him

443
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: right here. He's our fifth defensive tackle. UM. And so

444
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: that's kind of the vertical board, UM, and then or

445
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: the horizontal board, I should say. And then you're gonna

446
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: mix him in with all the other players out of

447
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: the positions. So you go through, go around the room,

448
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: per se the virtual room. Everybody that hasn't read their report,

449
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: reads their report. You have him already in the in

450
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: there right now. He's your he's our you know for

451
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: the Ravens, he's our fifth defensive tackle. So anybody else

452
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: that's done him, Okay, would you take him? Or would

453
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: you take Elliott from Missouri? Would you take him? Would

454
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 1: you take ree Kwon? Dave? Which you take him or

455
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: Matt a week and then once we get him sorted

456
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Speaker 1: out on there, then we're gonna go, okay, now let's

457
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: mix him in with other players at that same level

458
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: across the other positions, and then it literally just gets

459
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: put into that one. Come into Phil Savages computer, um,

460
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: and that's where the draft board is held. And so

461
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: when you get to draft day. The challenge that that, uh,

462
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Speaker 1: if we went forward with the draft, the challenge and

463
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: talking to people would be, we're okay if you can

464
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: just give us if we have seven seven people, you know,

465
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Speaker 1: it's less than fewer than ten. If if you would

466
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Speaker 1: open up our building and let seven of us, you know,

467
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: at a safe social distance six ft apart from each other,

468
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: be in the draft room, we can operate the draft.

469
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: We'd have enough people to be on the phones for trades,

470
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: we can communicate directly right there. We can see what

471
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: we need to see and get things accomplished. The challenge

472
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: would be if everybody had to be in their individual homebuck,

473
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: that would be a major major challenge for these teams.

474
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Speaker 1: If they couldn't at least convene with a handful five

475
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: to see in one place. Yeah, that that that would

476
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Speaker 1: be um a tough time because the thing about the

477
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Speaker 1: draft is, um, DJ haven't haven't said in those rooms?

478
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: You know, we have all these different side conversations that

479
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: take place based on what may happen in front of us. Uh,

480
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Speaker 1: say we're picking fifteen, there's a surprise that goes at ten. Well,

481
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: then we need everyone in the room because now a

482
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: player that we didn't expect to be in range's suddenly

483
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: in range. And so now DJ, I need you to

484
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: read your report on player X. Do we have the

485
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: medical on player X? Can we get this? Is it

486
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: worth us moving up? Those things would be more challenging

487
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 1: to do via teleconference than being in person. So I

488
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: do understand that challenge of being able to kind of

489
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Speaker 1: conduct some of the business debt kind of takes place

490
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: um during the fire drill of draft day. So okay,

491
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: that one question is, you know, obviously very important, does

492
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: Phil Savage's laptop come with like a handcuff and a

493
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: briefcase like he's like the nuclear football, Like he's got

494
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: the codes, Like that's what it is. Okay, Um, all right,

495
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: so he's got the draft board, got it? Um. The

496
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Speaker 1: second question is, and it's the big one when we're

497
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Speaker 1: talking about medicals, right, it's all right, how do we

498
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: now go go forward with our evaluation medically to a

499
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: tongue by law obviously he came out with the video.

500
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: It showed him moving around a little bit and also

501
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: throwing some of the first first pieces of video that

502
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: we've in there. Are you going to be comfortable enough

503
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: if the last piece of medical information you have on

504
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: to came from the combine? Are you gonna be comfortable

505
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: enough taking him in the top five picks of the drive? Man?

506
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: I still think it's a hard one like that. That

507
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: snipping and snapshot that we saw with two of working

508
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: out which you're in deal for was terrific. Um. It

509
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: gave you a sense of where he is in his

510
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: rehab and recovery. UM. I believe this. I don't know

511
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Speaker 1: who did the surgery on to but let's just say

512
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: I want to give credit to the right person, but

513
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: let's just say it's Dr Andrews. UM. I believe there

514
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 1: are enough people that understand how to get in contact

515
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: with Dr James Andrews or any other prominent UH surgeon

516
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: to be able to talk about some of those things

517
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Speaker 1: and exchange some of that information. I also believe that

518
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Speaker 1: where there's a will, there's a way, and that if

519
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: you want to dispense and dispatch certain people to certain areas,

520
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: to get a feel for what to a tongue of valoa, uh,

521
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Speaker 1: where he is in his development. I think that you

522
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Speaker 1: can do that, um It. I'm just saying I think

523
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: we've we've seen it enough and I'm not saying that

524
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: it's always right, but I think we've seen it enough

525
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: where people that want answers find a way to get

526
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: those answers. Yeah. And I think what you're kind of

527
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: insinuating their buck is that whether it's inside the current

528
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: rules or outside the current rules, that there's probably gonna

529
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Speaker 1: be a way that people are gonna get that done.

530
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: Um is kind of what we're getting at here. Now.

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Speaker 1: I know, you know what the limits the NFL has

532
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: put in place for competitive reasons, you know, not being

533
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: able to go do this or that medically. But I'm

534
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: just you know, this league has a long history of

535
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: teams being able to find workarounds, and I would say

536
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be an example that they will

537
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: find a work around there. But but speaking of that video,

538
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: I was, I don't I don't want to use hyperbly here, Buck,

539
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: but I was I was shocked at how well he

540
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: was moving. I mean, it was when you're watching that

541
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: and go Okay, which hip did he hurt? Again? Like godly,

542
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: he looks he looks juicy and explosive and crisp um man,

543
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: he looked he looked good and juicy is a scouting word.

544
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: Read I'm I'm I'm using that one he did. It

545
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: was he's got some juice. That some juice, man. I agree,

546
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Speaker 1: I I was. I was kind of shocked, like I

547
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to see something a little

548
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: more half speed, and so it's certainly kind of I

549
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be playing catch, stationary, like just

550
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: sitting there with his feet in the ground, just playing catch, like, oh,

551
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, here we go. And next thing you know,

552
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: he's he's freaking just seven step drops with his feet

553
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: looked like typewriter feet. Just do they look good, which

554
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 1: means that he's been working up to this, right, So

555
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: like this wasn't this obviously isn't the first progression of

556
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, getting out there. I mean that was that

557
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: was a full speed movement there, or at least close

558
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: to it. So, I mean, the trend is really good.

559
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: So you have that to put in your evaluation. He's

560
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: passed every checkpoint, it seems, thus far with flying colors,

561
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: so to get to this point now and know that

562
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: everything is still on the up and up, like you

563
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: gotta feel a little bit more comfortable. But I'm with

564
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: both of you guys that they're where there's a will,

565
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: there's a way, and somebody's gonna be find a way

566
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: to get comfortable enough for sure, uh to to put

567
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: two it tungle bylow his name down on a card

568
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: real early. Yeah, I mean I I think it's a

569
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: done deal. I think that will make some people, uh

570
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: feel better about it. And I look, it's kind of

571
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: like the thing if you're to a fan, you're more

572
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: likely to see the glass half full more than a

573
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: half empty when it came to his injury. That just

574
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: kind of gave you some more hope to be able

575
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: to go to your people as they see I told

576
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: you he's gonna be fine. We can we can make

577
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: the move. Um. I just think everyone wants to do

578
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: the due diligence and see if they can dot in

579
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: the eyes and cross any t just to make sure that, um,

580
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: the medical risks are minimum when it comes to pulling

581
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: his name off the board. Yeah, and again it's just

582
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: a it's a tricky injury, so it's not necessarily, you know,

583
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: is he up to full speed right now? It's what

584
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: are the chances of him re injuring this hip? Um?

585
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: You know that's something that you got to rely on

586
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: your medical people to get that information. But man, he

587
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: did look good in that video. Guys, I want to

588
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: hit on a couple of things here in Buck. I'll

589
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: go to you on this two part two part deal

590
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: here with um with what the Carolina Panthers are doing.

591
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: We already talked about Cam moving on there, but then

592
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: they also uh made a trade. They trade Kyle Allen

593
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: to the Washington Redskins. So two questions, why does that

594
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: make sense uh for the Panthers to make that decision,

595
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: But even more so, why the Redskins bringing Kyle Allen

596
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: with what they have on campus right now? Uh? I

597
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: think Kyle Allen leaving the Panthers made a lot of

598
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: sense because Mavereux had an opportunity to get his former quarterback. Uh.

599
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: P J. Walker was his starting quarterback at Temple. He

600
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: knows him, he knows the character uh that p J.

601
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: Walker UM has displayed as the leader of his team.

602
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: And then p J Walker, Um, Look, the XFL is

603
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: what the XFL is He was the star of the

604
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: league running June Jones is running shoots, running shoot offense.

605
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: He was killing it. And I think he showed people

606
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: that he legitimately could be a starting quarterback at some

607
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: point if he develops. And I think that was very,

608
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: very intriguing. And you're doing a rebuild, Um, we have

609
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: seen coaches like familiar faces. It allows you to to

610
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: skip maybe a couple of steps when it comes to

611
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: the installation process. And so I think that was the

612
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: thing for Kyle Allen going to the Redskins and why

613
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: the Redskins were intrigued. There are people in that building,

614
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: on that coaching staff that legitimately feel like Kyle Allen

615
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: is a QB one. Um. I've had conversations where they

616
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: told me as much. They have told me that, look,

617
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: I know, um, it didn't end well for him at Carolina,

618
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: but he had to do a lot with a little

619
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, Cam had to do the

620
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: same thing, but he was used, that's neither here to do.

621
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: But they were like, look, KYL, Kyle Allen is talented.

622
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: He understands how to run the offense, and if surrounded

623
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: by playmakers, they believed that he could be a solid

624
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: starter and looking at how this affects the conversation with

625
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins, um, Dwayne Haskins is going to have to

626
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: be clearly the better player than Kyle Allen to win

627
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: this job. If it's one where it's tight, I believe

628
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen will win the job. So in my tweet,

629
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: I said, like, this is one where he'll have to

630
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: knock him out, because if it goes to the judges,

631
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen will win by decision. Um. The pressure is

632
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: on Dwayne Haskins to our work. Kyle Allen understand the

633
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: offense better than Kyle Allen, which is going to be

634
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: difficult in this short setting. And then he's going to

635
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: have to perform at a high level in terms of

636
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: efficiency um, being able to make plays and not turn

637
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: it over. He is going to have to do all

638
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: those things. So really, in my mind, Haskins faces longer

639
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: odds to win the job than most in this situation would,

640
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: but it's ultimately on him. He has to play at

641
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: a higher level and Kyle Allen. If not Kyle I don't,

642
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: will be the risk and starter. I think that's terrific insight.

643
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Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily think about it from the Redskins point

644
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: of view with Haskins in in the sense of, you know,

645
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: the shortened off season that we're going to have playing

646
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: such a big factor here. Now. Look, I know that

647
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to get the playbooks in the

648
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: hands of their guys and stuff. It just you won't

649
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: have that on the job learning of O. T, A, S.

650
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: And and maybe even mini camp here at some point,

651
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: or it's all gonna be truncated. So yeah, I guess

652
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: I would agree with you, Bucky, and that Kyle Allen

653
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: seems like he's got the leg up here at this point.

654
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: It's almost like it's, uh, he's coming in with this

655
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: being I don't want to say his job to lose,

656
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: but he's definitely seemingly has the edge in terms of experience,

657
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: knowledge and familiarity with the guys that are making the decision. Uh,

658
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: that's certainly interesting. Um I don't necessarily, you know, it

659
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: would seem to me that from a talent perspective, you know,

660
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: it would flip, but just you know, we've seen time

661
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: and time again that's not always what ends up happening. UM.

662
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: I thought, guys, if you DJ, if you want to

663
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: get into the Robbie Anderson move here Um from the

664
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: Carolina point man, I thought that was um. You know,

665
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: once we didn't see Robbie go off the board in

666
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: the first three, four or five days of free agency,

667
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: and you say, maybe you could see the price come

668
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: down a little bit. It just made more and more

669
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: sense for Carolina, especially considering the familiarity there, to go

670
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: get a guy who, by the way, it's just twenty

671
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: six year old. Twenty six years old. Um actually probably

672
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: had his best year in the league when he was

673
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: twenty four back in seventeen. We had almost a thousand

674
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: yards Um. You know, it was kind of dealt with

675
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: him off the field stuff. But who better to rein

676
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: him in and maybe unleash um the potential that he

677
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: probably saw when he was in college. Then his old

678
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: college coach in that rule, Well, this is to me

679
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: is what I want to get into, because it talks

680
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: about using free agency as evidence of what's to come

681
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: in the draft. And I think when you look at

682
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: that move, and we've talked to Matt rule buck Um

683
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: in the past and he talked about Um, he goes

684
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: into a new situation. He talked about wanting to build

685
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: Uh fast, long, fast athletic team. And he looked when

686
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: he was recruiting, spent a lot of time looking at

687
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: track times. You know, what, what type of athletes are

688
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: you dealing with here? Bringing in as much speed as

689
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: you can and they have confidence they can coach guys

690
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: up and get him deployed properly. But he wants he

691
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: wants to be a fast football team. So you start out,

692
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: you go out and get somebody like a Robbie Anderson.

693
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: So what does that mean when we look at the

694
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Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers and where they pick seven in the first round,

695
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: who is that heightweight, speed player? Well, it's one guy,

696
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: and it's one guy above everybody else, and that's Isaiah Simmons.

697
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: Um to be able to bring in a guy like

698
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons at six three and a half almost two

699
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: pounds who ran sub four four. Um, that to me

700
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: points to the blueprint of how Matt Rule believes you

701
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: build a football team. And that's especially uh you know,

702
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: defensively and at the skill positions offensively, as you get

703
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: as fast as you possibly can. Oh, I absolutely agree. Um.

704
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: We talked in that conversation, he talked about speed all

705
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: over to place and how you want to up to Annie.

706
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: And if you look about if you think about how

707
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: you want to build your team, you gotta build your

708
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: team to win UH your division. Well, when I look

709
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: at the division, the Atlanta Falcons are loaded with offensive talent,

710
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: so you have to have speed there. You look at

711
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tom Brady is now thrown too,

712
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: uh a talented UH wide receiver corps and I'm sure

713
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna upgrade the running back situation. The New Orleans

714
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: Saints go. It goes without saying how explosive that offense is.

715
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: Matt Rule understands that for them to win, it's one

716
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: thing to outscore your opponent, but it's another thing. They

717
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: have to defend what you have to defend. And for

718
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: them to do it on either side of the ball,

719
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: they have to be a faster, more athletic team than

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Speaker 1: the Panthers have been. Because I felt like looking at

721
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: the Panthers um the last couple of years, this was

722
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: a slower team than the team that went to the

723
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Speaker 1: super Bowl. The team that went to the Super Bowl,

724
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: they played like their hair was on fire. They were

725
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: flying all over the place. Not the same team. And

726
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: I think he sees that, and I think he's going

727
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: to make steps to make sure that this is a

728
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: fast team on the field. Okay, uh and and I

729
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 1: agree with you guys there, what does where does that leave?

730
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: You know, two of their current pieces really they're they're

731
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: two only pieces at wide receiver um sub six feet,

732
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: but clearly some speed, especially in the Curtis Samuel range.

733
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: But what how do you feel like they'll deploy Curtis

734
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: Samuel and d J. Moore than as well um as

735
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: you bring in Robbie Anderson and maybe continue to look

736
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Speaker 1: to add to that in the draft. I think Robbie

737
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: Anderson is going to be the outside flyer. I think

738
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: you look at those other two with more and Samuel,

739
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: guys that can both play in the slot. Uh, they

740
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: can be more of your you know, gadget players for

741
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: lack of a better word. You know you can get

742
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: the ball in their hands quickly. I think you're gonna

743
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: get your vertical player here with Robbie Anderson. But it

744
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: is interesting now when you kind of look at this team,

745
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: you know d J. Moore can run, Curtis Samuel can run.

746
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: Now you get Robbie Anderson who can fly. Then defensively,

747
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: Brian Burns, who they picked last year's is a blur

748
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: up front on the first level of the defense. Say,

749
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: if you get Isaiah Simmons, now you've got him and

750
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: Shack Thompson checked Thompson was a safety in college. He

751
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: can really run. So you've got those two guys. And

752
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: then in the secondary, now there's some holes they need

753
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: to fill. But Dante Jackson ran in the what fourth

754
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: high four twos? Um, So I mean they now a

755
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: sudden you're starting to see some of that speed that

756
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: Bucks talking about that that they needed UH to be at.

757
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: And so if they can sprinkle in a couple more

758
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: guys and look where they're drafting, uh pick thirty eight,

759
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna get a chance to get somebody else that

760
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: can really really run there too. So um, you know,

761
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: I look at potentially some corner options they could have there.

762
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: Um in the second round you can find some intriguing

763
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: guys that can run. So you know, maybe that's a

764
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: big bonogamy from Auburn who's got big time, big time speed. Um,

765
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, see if I don't know if A j.

766
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: Terrell is gonna make it that far, Jeff Gladney is

767
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: an interesting one from TCU who who did not run

768
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: a blistering time. But but in talking to some teams

769
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: over the last few weeks, they said, you know, he

770
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: was not healthy. He actually kind of fought through injury

771
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: there at the combine. So I think he is a

772
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: faster player than what his time will tell. He ended

773
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: up running a four for eight, which is a good number. UM,

774
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: but they said, now this gets much faster than he was.

775
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: Actually he was actually working through something there. So uh,

776
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: I think getting faster is is the way we're gonna

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00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: see the Carolina Panthers build this football team. Buck. Yeah,

778
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: I think that's how it has to be. It'll be interesting,

779
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: uh with Phil snow running the defense, what they eventually

780
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: want to do uh defensively and how they can kind

781
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: of deploy it because in the Big Twelve they were

782
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: a team that went from a four to five to

783
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: uh a three three stack defense because they wanted more speed.

784
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: I wonder how that translates to the way that they

785
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: want to play NFL style. Do they become a team

786
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: that is a little more exotic with their sub packages

787
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: UM two down line and four linebackers, uh five defensive backs.

788
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: Do they do some of that UH three three five

789
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: stuff on passing downs to get more athletes on the

790
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: field to attack, and then on offense, we saw how

791
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: Joe Brady attacked the l s U with a lot

792
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: of empty um, emptying it out, moving people around. How

793
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: did they deploy Christian McCaffrey. Do they make him kind

794
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: of like that that wild card playmaker that exploits UH

795
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: coverage um? And as Teddy Bridge what a comfortable playing

796
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: that way? But I think at the end of the day,

797
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: you want to have basically a track team on both

798
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: sides of the ball to be able to run and

799
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: chase and create big plays and turnovers. And Matt Rule

800
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Speaker 1: seems to be sticking to what he had told us

801
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: when he joined us on the podcast about a speed

802
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: speed speed get playmakers on the field because those are

803
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: the guys that change games. Well, boys, this has been

804
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: a a jam pack show here. It's been great to

805
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: catch up with everybody. You guys want to add anything

806
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: before we jump out of here. Well, I was kind

807
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: of curious um and I wanted to mention it when

808
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: we were getting into our our Cam Newton discussion, but I, uh,

809
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: my speakers had a weird, weird deal going on there,

810
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: so I didn't. But and forgive me if if you

811
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: guys have talked about this at all before, But does

812
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: Tampa taking or signing Tom Brady as a free agent

813
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: make them more or less likely to take a quarterback

814
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: in the first round. I wrote about it the other day,

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00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: Buck I said less likely in the first round. I

816
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: thought more likely in the second round. And that's why

817
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,479
Speaker 1: Jacob Eason, to me, a guy that's been tied to them,

818
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense there in round two. I

819
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: just think if you're if you're bringing in forty three

820
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: as soon to be forty three year old Tom Brady,

821
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: you're trying to make a push right now, and you don't.

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00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: You're not. You're not drafting um. You're not drafting somebody

823
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: to eventually replace him. You're at you're drafting somebody in

824
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: the first round that can help him. Um. So that's

825
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: why I think that takes them out. And that's why, uh,

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Speaker 1: that's why I've had Jordan's love, you know, potentially dropping

827
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Speaker 1: um because thirteen used to be the Colts. They're gone,

828
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: they traded out, uh fourteen, Tampa, they signed Tom Brady.

829
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: In my opinion, that takes them out of the quarterback market.

830
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: So now if the Raiders aren't gonna take Jordan's love,

831
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: and by bringing in Marcus Mariotte, I think that makes

832
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: that less likely. Um, then now you're looking at Jordan's

833
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: love being there in the twenties, which you know, there's

834
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways that can go with that.

835
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Speaker 1: One is, you know, I had the Green Bay Packers

836
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: being a landing spot form you know, be a perfect

837
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: situation for him to sit and learn behind behind Aaron

838
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: Rodgers for you know, two years, and then you turn

839
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: the reins over to him, and you might get another

840
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: fifteen year run, uh from you know, third in a

841
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: row here for the Packers, going from far to Rogers

842
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: to love. The other one that I could see happening

843
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: was what if you scrimmage this out? Buck? Let me

844
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: ask you this, tell me what you'd rather do if

845
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: I told you you're the Chargers. Let's say two, it

846
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: goes to the Dolphins. If you're the Chargers picking at six,

847
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: would you rather take in Isaiah Simmons or Derek Brown

848
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe it's maybe it's McKay Beckton or

849
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 1: whatever tackle is your favorite tackle? You take a regular

850
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: position player at six? Um, and then I told you

851
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: you could get that player plus Jordan's Love were to

852
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: drop and you could trade back into the back end

853
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: of the first round with your high second round pick um,

854
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: which is number thirty seven. Would not be that costly

855
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: to go from thirty seven, say to you know, and

856
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: go get Jordan's Love. Would you rather have Isaiah Simmons

857
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: and Jordan's Love or would you rather have Herbert at six?

858
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: And whoever you're gonna get a thirty seven, I'm I'm

859
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: gonna be greedy. I'm gonna take Simmons in Love because

860
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: in Simmons would get an explosive athlete the pair alongside

861
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: Durwin James. And then Love is kind of like the

862
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: bonus pick. It's bonus because if he hits, he gives

863
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: me a guy that is comfortable to the guy that's

864
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: in division and Pat Mahomes and Justin Herbert. I like um,

865
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: and I like a lot, but it kind of strikes

866
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: me as like you'll like him, but then you get

867
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: him on the field and you're like, you know where, Yeah,

868
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: the first day of mini camp, and I always always

869
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: kind of think about the first impression that is made

870
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: in mini camp. We know when we see Isaiah simm

871
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: Is at mini camp that first practice, he's gonna do

872
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: one or two things where yeah, where we kind of

873
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: look at each other like yep, yep, that's that's the thing.

874
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm just a little um more apt

875
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: to go for the wild player and Isaiah Simmons and

876
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: potentially Jordan's love than Justin Herbert and possible. Yeah. Plus

877
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: you're getting the extra year of control on the on

878
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: the contract by trading back in. So it's a good scenario.

879
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: That's interesting. That's why I need Path to the Draft. Man.

880
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: We need those scenarios and were at least getting them here, man,

881
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: no doubt buck. Any final thoughts here, No, Man, this

882
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: is a good discussion. Um, really good. I really like

883
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: the stuff that you talked about, Um, the insight that

884
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: you provided with moving to draft back because I've seen

885
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: it kind of pop up online. But I don't think

886
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: people understand the challenges of having to do it in

887
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: a different way and how what I would say, the

888
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: teams that have always kind of done it really heavily

889
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: off the film and uh putting everything down kind of

890
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: before the combine are the teams that will continue to

891
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: succeed in this process because they'll kind of stick to

892
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: what they saw in the fall, and they'll be more

893
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: likely to be right on those opinions. Trust the tape.

894
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: That's uh, something that's been said for for decades here

895
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: in evaluation. Trust the tape that's going to serve you well,

896
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: uh during this uncertain time. Well, I appreciate you guys

897
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: listening to the show today. Again, if you have any questions,

898
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: we just answered some on the previous episode. But if

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Speaker 1: you if you have some questions for us, leave us,

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00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: and we'll be sure to get to that here in

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Speaker 1: one of these upcoming episodes. Remember, you can check out

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Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash NFL podcasts and uh, tell a friend,

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00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: I know there's a there's not a lot of programming

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00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: on right now. So if you have some people out there,

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Speaker 1: some buddies or friends that are looking further football, fix

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00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: point him in our direction here and move the sticks

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00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: that even rhyme doesn't even mean for that to happen.

912
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: But um, all right, that's gonna do it. That's uh,

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Speaker 1: that's right Lewis, that's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. Will

914
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Speaker 1: see you next time right here on move the sticks.

915
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Speaker 1: But what you don't have to go to a lot?

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Speaker 1: Want what? You want to go to Lott