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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: right here on giants dot com. I am John Schmilki.

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Speaker 1: Is Paul Tino. The phone number for you is two

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Speaker 1: one nine four or five on three. Hashtag Giants Chat

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. I'll make sure I get to your tweets

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Speaker 1: throughout the course of the program. Pauly Dot's good morning.

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Speaker 1: How are you hello, John? I'm excited you know O

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Speaker 1: t A s are underway. What could be better? Although

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Speaker 1: I will tell you they're scheduling some rain this afternoon,

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Speaker 1: even though the Giants have already had their session this morning. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the fact that it's gonna rain here after we had

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Speaker 1: a weaker rain last week. I mean, come on. Luckily, though,

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Speaker 1: like you said, the Giants had their second O t A,

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Speaker 1: which of course stands will organize team activity today at

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Speaker 1: the Quest Diagnostic Training Center was not open to the media.

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Speaker 1: I was out there, Paul was not. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: that in a second. UM. Yesterday it was open to

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Speaker 1: the media. Both of us were out there for that UM. Luckily,

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Speaker 1: they had managed to get the practice in this morning

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Speaker 1: with only a couple of drops of rain falling in

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Speaker 1: the beginning of practice for a five minutes, like really

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Speaker 1: the lightest of sprinkles. Um. So they manage, Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: were they manage. You got the whole practice and outside

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Speaker 1: which was great. Um. And then the next o t

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Speaker 1: A will be on Thursday before they get a four

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Speaker 1: day weekend for a Memorial Day. And then we're back

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Speaker 1: with media access to the o TA next Tuesday. That

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Speaker 1: number four. So Paul, I guess we'll start with this first.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we get your takes from Monday and then

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Speaker 1: I'll give you my take some Monday and today, well

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Speaker 1: you know, um, the highlighted plays that I saw yesterday. First,

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Speaker 1: I thought that Davis Webb through the ball extremely well yesterday.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he had to play of the day on

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Speaker 1: offense when he threw fifty yard bomb on down the

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Speaker 1: left sideline on a fly route to Roger Lewis Jr.

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Speaker 1: In fact, that was right in front of you. Yes, Uh,

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Speaker 1: couldn't have been a better thrown ball. I was just

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Speaker 1: too easy getting the hell out of the way, so

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Speaker 1: I didn't get right over by everybody, which is by

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Speaker 1: the way, you have to always have your head on

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Speaker 1: the slivel when you're on the sideline. Guys run out

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Speaker 1: of balance very quickly. That's why Buddy Dan Salmon is producing.

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Speaker 1: He always stationed himself right by the big camera stanchion,

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Speaker 1: so no one will ever run into damn Is. They'll

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Speaker 1: just run into the huge camera stang. Do you remember

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Speaker 1: in Foxboro a few years ago in Ben Jarvis screen,

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Speaker 1: Ellis most nailed me. Yeah, I know. I was on

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Speaker 1: the You guys were like, all cherry, you wanted to

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Speaker 1: smash me. I actually had the radio in his helmet

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Speaker 1: that game, and I had him targeting you. Luckily, the

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Speaker 1: lead didn't find out, so I didn't get suspend it

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Speaker 1: or anything like that. But there was definitely targeting going

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Speaker 1: on in that game. I actually felt his wind as

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Speaker 1: he went by me in that game. Anyway, it seem

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Speaker 1: you didn't feel a shoulder pads in his others. Here

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Speaker 1: here's the point, uh web through. Well, he also had

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Speaker 1: right sideline to it to Kalif Raymon, who actually had

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Speaker 1: And uh and that I thought he was the best

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Speaker 1: real quick about Webb and it's funny and I wrote

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Speaker 1: this in my practice sport today, which is an up

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Speaker 1: yet but it will be up hopefully. Uh And this

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Speaker 1: is the one I wrote about it. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure how much more I can get out of and

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Speaker 1: how much more I can learn watching Davis webbing unpadded practices.

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Speaker 1: I know the guy can throw a nice ball. I

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Speaker 1: know the guy's a big I'm arm um, I think

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Speaker 1: his accuracy. Accuracy is still something you pay attention to

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Speaker 1: because I still think, um, that's something he's improving on,

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Speaker 1: which I think is related to his footwork in the pocket,

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Speaker 1: the other. So that stuff you can watch, and I

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Speaker 1: or not he's a successful NFL quarterback Paul is stuff

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Speaker 1: But even the stuff in practice, like is he making

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Speaker 1: The coaches can see that, but we're not in those meetings.

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Speaker 1: So we could say, oh, he made a great pass.

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Speaker 1: we start seeing him. I think in pettive practices more

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Speaker 1: see last year in training campus he was kind of

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Speaker 1: really good arm. That's great, But what's the next step here?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I can't dispute that. I

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Speaker 1: body language is important because you want the guy to

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Speaker 1: look assertive. As as it was told to me many

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Speaker 1: years ago, the guy needs to look like he belongs

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Speaker 1: and he does. He does absolutely. Okay, that's number one.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I think we can pick up

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Speaker 1: his body language is not good, and often he will

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Speaker 1: him what he did wrong and what he has to

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Speaker 1: do right. I agree, but in my opinion it doesn't

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Speaker 1: always work. That Shermer and Sula are much tougher to

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Speaker 1: decipher than mcadoos. There's no doubt about that. Vacadode didn't

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Speaker 1: exactly hide his displeasure with things when things did not

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Speaker 1: go nobody Kevin Gilbride. By the way, Shermer and Schula

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Speaker 1: are much more I'm not gonna use the word passive

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Speaker 1: as you well know, I'm a very um emotional person.

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Speaker 1: In my face, you know what I'm thinking. Shermer is

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Speaker 1: like he could sit in front of at a poker table.

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Speaker 1: He's a good poker face and you're quite sure what

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Speaker 1: doesn't you notice he does that, John, He's walking around

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Speaker 1: I guess I can't be accurate with that, but it's

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Speaker 1: make too much out of practices. We can't. Um. I

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Speaker 1: thought Eli Manning today had maybe his best practice in

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Speaker 1: three or four years. No, kid, he was just the

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Speaker 1: haven't throwing to the receivers. He hit Shephard on two

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Speaker 1: of Eli's production in the last couple of years, there

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Speaker 1: are obviously reasons for it, but the productions. He hasn't

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Speaker 1: That was a unique year for him, and he hasn't

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Speaker 1: And I've said this before, folks, they don't say I'm

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Speaker 1: Eli's big best strength, deep balls down the middle of

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Speaker 1: the field. Paul, there was no more accurate quarterback on

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Speaker 1: does wonder and that's not a secret, folks. We did

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Speaker 1: We weren't hiding this from anybody, but I often wondered

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Speaker 1: in my own heart of hearts, how are you supposed

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Speaker 1: to hit those big plays if you're not working on them? Well,

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Speaker 1: but quite frankly, Paul, they didn't throw many of those

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Speaker 1: And maybe, and to be fair, maybe the coaches felt,

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Speaker 1: it is absolutely not gonna have a lot of opportunities

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Speaker 1: to throw them anyway, So why should we waste practice

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Speaker 1: the reasons they couldn't make big plays they couldn't protect

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Speaker 1: not making excuses, but that's the fact of the matter.

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Speaker 1: If you can't protect for the quarterback, it needs to

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Speaker 1: get the word of the ball and two point three seconds,

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Speaker 1: which is what elis I think average dropped back was

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Speaker 1: Doug Ee, what's up pal? Hello? Dougie? Yeah, we die,

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Speaker 1: put up Russell Shephard, wide receiver veteran who's been with

427
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Speaker 1: the Buccaneers amongst a couple of other teams, has come in.

428
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Speaker 1: And Tim Scott, the man who you think at that

429
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: deflection though he did have to deflection, Okay, he's now

430
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: a wave. I thought he's actually played pretty well. And uh,

431
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 1: I was just noticing that as I looked at Twitter

432
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 1: for the first time since we began the show. So

433
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Speaker 1: I'm a little I'm a little bit lost as to

434
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 1: what you're coming. He was asking about the other free

435
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 1: safety potential guys that that they brought in to play

436
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 1: next to Landon. Uh, you know what, I'm not overly

437
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: impressed with the guys right now. To me, someone's gonna

438
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 1: have to step forward, because no one has stuck out

439
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 1: like a sore thumb for me. Although I would say again,

440
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 1: Chandler from Temple has done some nice things and I

441
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: think that you know, we've caught their eye. But you know,

442
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to show me a lot more than

443
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: just what we're seeing in the spring. Okay, Yeah, because,

444
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 1: like I said, after this is very vital, and um,

445
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask about the atmosphere because yesterday Jonathan Stewart

446
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 1: I've seen an interview with him and he was act.

447
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: He said he hadn't won the super Bowl and the

448
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: reporter actively, do you think the super Bowl the Giants?

449
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: And he said that he he feels in atmosphere, he

450
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: feels it in the building, that that type of feeling

451
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: that that he feels. So I just want to know,

452
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: do you see the players, you know you see something

453
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: different because I'll probably talking about the building is like

454
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: Fiage going. So you know, just you know what he

455
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: said is I just want to go by what's going

456
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: on with that, how the players are. Yeah, I do.

457
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: I do have one relevant comment to support what you're

458
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: talking about. Stewart has been in this league for a decade. Okay,

459
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: follow me here, I'm following you. He has seen some

460
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: very good teams, He's seen some very bad teams. I

461
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: think he understands what Gettleman and Sherman are talking about

462
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: when they say change the culture, talk about professionalism, talk

463
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: about accountability, talking about responsibility, agree, talking about being a

464
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Speaker 1: good team. Agree. Right, He gets all that checklist, He

465
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: gets them all. I think I don't know how many

466
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Speaker 1: offers he got from other teams at thirty one years

467
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Speaker 1: old and a running back in this league. He probably

468
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: didn't get a lot with an injury history. Okay, probably

469
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: not a lot, although he's run for what fifteen touchdowns

470
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: last three years? Okay. I think when he came to

471
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 1: talk to Getleman about coming here, I think he had

472
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 1: not only tremendous amount of confidence that Gettleman would make

473
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Speaker 1: sure this locker room has the right ingredients for a

474
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Speaker 1: good mix, but but I also believe that he must

475
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: have known something about some of the guys who were

476
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Speaker 1: going to be on this roster to get the belief that,

477
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't need to go anywhere else.

478
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: That's where I want to go. This is his last contract.

479
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: He's probably not going to get another one at thirty

480
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: one years old. Who's to say, but probably not. And

481
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: and if if this is his dream to get back

482
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl like he did with the Carolina Panthers,

483
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: then you have to think that he's putting his chips

484
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: on Gettleman and the Giants for a reason. So I'm

485
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: gonna give him some credence when he says he thinks

486
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: this team is in the right direction and has a

487
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Speaker 1: chance to go somewhere. Can I be acidical? Bass? You

488
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: can absolutely be. But what I've said, what I've said

489
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,479
Speaker 1: hold some logic, does it not? No questions, no question?

490
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: What the hell else are supposed to say? Oh? Well,

491
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta be honest, guys, I've talked to

492
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: people in the locker room. I don't really like this group.

493
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: We've we've been doing one practice and it's one of

494
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: the worst practice I've ever had. I really don't think

495
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: this group is gonna be get together and do anything.

496
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Speaker 1: Anyone else is the guy. And we were sitting here

497
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: at this time last year with the same group that

498
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: went eleven and five, are like, oh, look at the

499
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: swagger on defense with chickens, and it all went to crap.

500
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: Winning solves everything until things go bad. And this is, folks,

501
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: is the truth of it. Okay, I'm gonna lay out

502
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: some straight truth for you here. Until things go bad,

503
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: you don't know what the character of you don't you know,

504
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: everybody's great and singing Kumbayan when you're winning football games

505
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: is when you're own four and you're staring at being

506
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: eliminated from the playoffs in November in the face that

507
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: everything starts falling apart. So until we get there, and

508
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: let's hope we don't get there, by the way, you're

509
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: not gonna know the character of the locker room John

510
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: That's fair. And you know what, Nate solders a great character,

511
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: edition Cream Martin is, Jonathan Stewart is. All the draft

512
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: picks seem to be awesome. Awesome guys, So I'm confident

513
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: that's not going to be the case. I do feel

514
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: really good about it, but you're not gonna know until

515
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: you know. And that's very fair. That's very fair. I

516
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: do like, though, the fact that Stewart's not only coming

517
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: from an experienced background, but coming from a background that

518
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: included Gettleman, that included a losing team that was built

519
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: to go to the super Bowl. He's not just talking

520
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: from hypotheticals, He's talking from experience. If you can promise

521
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: me that that and that his analysis is actually what

522
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: he believes, then I believe it's important. The question you

523
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 1: just don't know if that's players speak, Yeah, that's what

524
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, But I'm with you based

525
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: on his experience. I mean, he's probably the second most

526
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,239
Speaker 1: experienced player on this team at three line hitting. Now,

527
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: Zach the Assis probably right up there too. Those are

528
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: the top three. Yeah, those are the top three. But

529
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: so look I buy it. Yes, wait a minute, William

530
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: Gay good point. Those are the top four. So honestly,

531
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: if there's anybody on the team though that understands what

532
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: makes up a good locker room and a good team,

533
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: it would be Jonathan Stewart. So with on that, I'm

534
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: completely with. But again, what else is the guy supposed

535
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: to say? I've never had a guy come out Jude

536
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: and say boys locker rooms off. Fair, very fair John.

537
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: But again, I think, like we've talked about all offseason,

538
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: Dave Gettlman's did a good job. I think of cleaning

539
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: that area up a little bit, bringing in the right

540
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: type of people and you know, some people that maybe

541
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: didn't fit in on here anymore. And I think that's

542
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: a good way to go about things and trying to

543
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: make this culture, uh, the way you want it to be.

544
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: And I think they are certainly on the right track.

545
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: So and that, now that I've gotten out of my

546
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: cynical moment, okay, I certainly agree. It's fair. Tim and

547
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Speaker 1: Jackson New Jersey. He's on that Ti. Tim, Hi, how

548
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: are you guys? Can the Giant side hold you off

549
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: back up until find you contact ex dead ship? Yes

550
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: they can. I mean, look and Tim, they absolutely can't.

551
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: It's possible. You can do it. But here one of

552
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: those something else that's sticking on my crawl a little bit.

553
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: See now I'm cranky. This is that this sticks in

554
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: my cross. I had a feeling that was gonna get

555
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: you there. That's why I started to laugh. And Tim

556
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: it is it has nothing to do with your Tim.

557
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: It was a good call is nothing but your fault.

558
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: I think I know where you're gonna go. So we're

559
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: sitting here three three months ago, okay, and stuff that's

560
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: being written out there. You know, odell this, O'Dell that,

561
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. You know. So the guy wasn't supposed

562
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: to show up for anything, and he was the worst

563
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: guy in the world. Okay, now he's here and he

564
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: shows up, and now he's the best guy in the world.

565
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: So just because he shows up for over the flight,

566
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: he was just here for one O T A. They

567
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: I see so many things being written. Oh he showed

568
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: up for an O T A. Now the giants have

569
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: to give him a contract. Is that how this world works?

570
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: Now you show up for a voluntary workout, and now, oh,

571
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: now he deserves the contract he said, and you have

572
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: to give it to him. If you don't, it's gonna

573
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: be chaos. You can't play that way. Really, really, that's

574
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: not how it works. It's a negotiation. Agents talk to

575
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: journal managers that they figure out what works for both

576
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: but both for best size, and if they figure out

577
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: a number that works for best size for for both sides,

578
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: gets what the contract that gets done. You think Dave

579
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: get him and sitting there, he's like, well, now that

580
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: he showed up for one O T, I'm just gonna

581
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: give whatever he wants. That's not how it works. That's

582
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: not how any of this works. I have a similar reaction,

583
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: but for different reasons. But I'm with you. I it's

584
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: it's preposterous. That's not how I mean. It's not a

585
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: black and white issue. It's a business negotiation. As John

586
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: Naher said, the unchecked will get done. When the time

587
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: is right for the contract, they get done. And do

588
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: you know what that means if you translate it, When

589
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: both sides get close on what they're offering, what they're

590
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: willing to take, the deal will get done. It's a

591
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: financial issue. It's a business issue that work. It's like, oh,

592
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: it's in the building, give whatever he wants, Charlie in

593
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: Portland means not the general manager. That's not how John.

594
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: You will alleviate. You will alleviate a lot of this

595
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: if you just stop reading the papers. Because Odell is

596
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: a magnet. They need their clickbait, they need their headlines,

597
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: and so they need to write about everything and then

598
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: some even if they've got to pull stuff out of

599
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: the air I mean, let's face it, the fact that

600
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: the guy was here, it's not a story. It's big.

601
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: It's a bigger story if he is in fact spouting

602
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: out that he wants a new deal and isn't going

603
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: to come and he is instead of but that has

604
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: not happened. People pluck that out of thin air, saying

605
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: that he wasn't gonna be here, and he obviously was.

606
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: By the way, tried to tell you folks to ignore

607
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: the hype. It's all click base. I mean, here's the thing.

608
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: So it was said he wasn't a show for O

609
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: T S and now he's here. Now it said he's

610
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: not going to get on the field in a contact

611
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: situation without a contract. Have we know that's true when

612
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: it was reported that he wasn't showing up the T

613
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: S of the contract, nobody knows. I think people doing

614
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: a lot of surmising. It was according to the headlines,

615
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: much like Matt Patricia was going to coach five different

616
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: NFL teams. Okay, O'Dell wasn't gonna come in for the

617
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: off season program before O T A S. And he

618
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: was here for that too. So here here's the thing.

619
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: I would just advise everybody to cool their jets on

620
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: Oldell Beckham Jr. And when an if ownership and his

621
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: people decide that they're going to get together and make

622
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: that new deal, that will be news. If there is

623
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: a medical update on Old Dell Beckham Jr. That either

624
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: allows him to do more on the field or requires

625
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: the Giants to shut him down at is news. Everything

626
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: else you here is cotton candy. And by the way,

627
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: it's very fair last year for the people that were

628
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: critical of him for not being here for O T

629
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: s and stuff. That's fine. It's also very fair to

630
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: say good job for him being here. We doesn't have

631
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: to be if you're gonna go one way, you have

632
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: to go the other way. You can't just have one

633
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: way or the other. It's got to be both. If

634
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: you're gonnakill him for not being here, you gotta give

635
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: him credit for being here. Okay, that's that part is true.

636
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: But the fact that a then leads to be that's

637
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there are plenty of guys that show up

638
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: to all these things and they still don't get contracts.

639
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean, because the negotiation with the salary cap and

640
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: the stuff doesn't work for the player and the team.

641
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: It happens. That's the business part of the deal. It

642
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: happens every year with with with with teams. You know, Uh,

643
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: players agents don't care much about, uh what negotiations are

644
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: being done in the media or were on on talk

645
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: shows or in newspapers. Uh. They will want what they want.

646
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: They will make ownership aware of what they want, and ownership,

647
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: like we've heard Dave Gentleman say many times, he's going

648
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: to do business for the best interests of the Giants

649
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: and everything else is out of his out of his vision,

650
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: it's not relevant to him. And Adele says he wants

651
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: to be here. The Giants have said they want oldl here,

652
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: So you know what, then they'll find the way to

653
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: make you figure out a way to make it. That's it.

654
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: That's it, unless something else intervenes as an injury, Unless

655
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: something intervenes of that nature, This is not a story

656
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: until one of two things happened. I've already explained that

657
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: to you. I really don't want to discuss anything. Scott

658
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: in New Mexico, He's up next. Hey, Scott, UH question,

659
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: I had I think the key to excuse me, the

660
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: key to the Giant success will be their special teams

661
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: in their defensive plans. Specifically, I wanted to get your

662
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: opinion on eli Apple. I don't know if he's fool's

663
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: gold and he or he's going to make a complete

664
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: turnaround and actually be the player he was when he

665
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: came out of college. But Scott's got real quick, Scott

666
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: real quick. I will go back and I'll I'll let

667
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: you finish the apologize to cut you off. But um,

668
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: I'll just go back to what I said before. I

669
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: think you love the Eli Apple skill set, you feel

670
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 1: good about him. I think he did as good as

671
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: he possibly could in front of the media yesterday, if

672
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: you looked at his quotes and watched his media Availa,

673
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: but I thought he was great. But again, you're not

674
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: gonna know until things go bad. It's easy to be happy,

675
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: go lucky and great when things are fun in the spring.

676
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: But when things maybe he's a bad game and go sideways.

677
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: How does he deal with that adversity? I think that's

678
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: when you're going to know a lot more about Eliasso things.

679
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: I will add to that one Gentleman and Sherman have

680
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: said he has a clean slate, Yes, as all the

681
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: players do, and that's what a big smile about that

682
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: when he was told that yesterday. And number two, I

683
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: can tell you from talking to the coaching staff, they

684
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: believe and Eli Apple as much as the previous administration

685
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: and did when they made him a first round draft pick.

686
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: They see his skill set and they really think he

687
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: can be a top flight cornerback in this league. And

688
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: they need him to be too, by the way, they

689
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: do need him be. But but there are and and

690
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: that's the reason why he's hearing getting a second chance,

691
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: because they believe in his talent and his ability. Yeah.

692
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: And actually my comment was that when I listened to

693
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: the presser yesterday on the Giants Network, I thought the

694
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: press was deliberately trying to goad him, which I didn't think.

695
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 1: I thought they should cut him a little slack because

696
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: you know, they went over all the points about the

697
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: landing column situation, and they went over the points about

698
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, you're embarrassed about what happened. I don't think

699
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: I know it's the job. And John, you're a journalist

700
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: as well, I don't think it's the job to really

701
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: just keep rating him on this. Give him a chance

702
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: to see what he can do. Scott, you know what

703
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: I hear you. I didn't think the questions from the

704
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: people that cover the team here every day yesterday were bad.

705
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: I thought they were all very fair and and I

706
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: think Kim Jones was the person that asked the question,

707
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: were you embarrassed of how things went last year? I

708
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: honestly don't have a problem with that because I thought

709
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: it actually gave Eli Apple a chance to have contrition

710
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, I messed up. I am

711
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: embarrassed by it. And I think that was okay. There

712
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: was a national reporter here that I thought I asked

713
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: some questions that were a little odd, yes, but I

714
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: thought the people that cover the team every day actually

715
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: were very, very fair with him yesterday. Okay. Uh. One

716
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: of my other comments, at least I saw on the

717
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: depth chart that they had listed Sequon Barkley as the

718
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: kick returner, the number one kick returner. Do you think

719
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: that's how it's going to play out in the season

720
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: depth chart? I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, who's this guy? Because

721
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: the team doesn't usually put a depth chart at until

722
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: the second week of I'm gonna look now, I'll be

723
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: shocked if there's one up. And I saw and I

724
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: was looking at a couple of them. I didn't look

725
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: at the Our Lads one, but there was another one

726
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: that was put out. No, no, yeah, but see if

727
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: it's not the Giants depth chart and it didn't come

728
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: from the team, therefore there's no water in it. Yeah,

729
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: it's just guessing. It's just guessing, Scott, I want to

730
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: put too much into that, Okay. And my last question

731
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: has to do with the other players on the secondary.

732
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: If Vector is going to play the three ford and

733
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: do some exotic blitz and that's going to put a

734
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: lot of pressure one on one on the corner, you think,

735
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 1: do you think they have the personnelity think they really want?

736
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: If Elae Apple works out, is this uh the way

737
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: the team is going to be formulated with him in

738
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: r Jenkins and Gay and I guess as the corner slot,

739
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: I think if Apple plays this potential, I think they're

740
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: fine outside. Um, I think what you worry then is

741
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: the slot receivers and the tight ends. If they have

742
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: the guys that can cover those guys man on man

743
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: when you blitz, I would be comfortable outside though, with

744
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: Jenkins and Apple in one on one situations. If ela

745
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: Apple plays like he did towards the end of his

746
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: rookie year and even at the beginning of last year,

747
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: and he was okay before things started going down him.

748
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: Look it this way, that's what Betcher wants to do,

749
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: and and if he does not have the tools to

750
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: do it, he's going to have to adjust. I mean,

751
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: there's just no end, ifs or buts about it. So

752
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: they need these guys to do what they're supposed to do.

753
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: If Betcher is gonna be a happy man. Okay, I

754
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 1: appreciate it, guys, thanks again, Thanks for Paul and Scott.

755
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. To five one three hashtag giants chat

756
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Um, let's see, Paul, here's a good question

757
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: from Ben Ruin. Um, and this is regarding to the

758
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: kicking competition that we talked about the other day. Um,

759
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how bad the team plays, no excuse for

760
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: Rosas to be as bad as he was last year.

761
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: How do you fix that? The guy can either kick

762
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: in game on game days or he can't. He was

763
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: great last preseason but bad in the regular season. So

764
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: how do you know he's not fooling you if he

765
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: kicks a loan? Practice does okay in the preseason, but

766
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: in the regular season. On game days. You know how

767
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: it is in any sport, whether it's golfing, when you're

768
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: in front of the big stage, you just don't perform

769
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: when the cameras are on. It's a good question. Um,

770
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: he was a rookie and he went through not only

771
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: the trials and tribulations of being a first year pro,

772
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: but also had to deal with being a father for

773
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: the first time. We know his He gave his his

774
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: his lady gave birth to a young boy right before

775
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: the first week of the season September or later August,

776
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: right something like that, right before the opener against the Cowboys. Um,

777
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: that can change a lot in your world. Believe me,

778
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, trust me. I know. Yeah. So you know

779
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: he was seventy last year eighteen out of five, had

780
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: a couple of blocked I'm not excusing it, but here's

781
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say. Everything went so bad for the

782
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: Giants last year. If you were going to have a

783
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: rookie kicker try to find his way through the forest,

784
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: that was a year to have. It certainly was because

785
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: his miskicks were not going to cost him a playoff spot.

786
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: Because they were so far out of it, it really

787
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: didn't matter so now let's see what happens in or two.

788
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: Let him compete and he'll have an opportunity too. And

789
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: if he deserves to be on the fifty three and

790
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: wins the job, then you know what, God bless him.

791
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: Let him win the job. And if there is a

792
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 1: veteran on the standby list, and if by the second

793
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: or third or fourth week of the season, Rosas proves

794
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: that he doesn't deserve the job, then you go to

795
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: that emergency stand by list it's called the shortlist in

796
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: NFL circles, and you make the phone call and you

797
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: go grab somebody like Mike Nugent or or somewhat of

798
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: that ILK and you bring him in and you go

799
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: the rest of the season with the older guy. But I'm,

800
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: for one hoping that Ross wins the job, John, I

801
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: really am. I like him to as a kid, so

802
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: good kid, very strong leg and Lord knows, if he

803
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: figures it out, I mean you could have you could

804
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: have a pretty good talent for a lot of years.

805
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: He's got the tools, He's got the tools. There's no

806
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: question it's up here, it's in his head. New York

807
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: Giants Empire at n Y Giants E. S. M. Wayne

808
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: Goldman has put on ten pounds of muscle from to

809
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: ten to two. Money also says he's faster now than

810
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: in his rookie year. Don't sleep on Goldman. He will

811
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: be a solid change of pace back. One thing I

812
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: noticed today pull on Frankly, I noticed the first day

813
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: two they are rotating those running backs. Man. All three

814
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: of those guys are getting reps with the first team.

815
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: So Barkley I think, probably had more third down reps

816
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: than the other guys, which makes sense based on his

817
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: skill set. But all three of those guys I think

818
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: are gonna play based on what we're seeing in practice

819
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: so far, which I think might make some Barkley files

820
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: a little upset because they think he's gonna get thirty

821
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: five touches came, But it doesn't look that way at

822
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: least from the first two o t as we've had.

823
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let them feel it out, and I

824
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: think that's what they're doing. Nothing wrong with that. Ernie

825
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: wants to know how to Davis Webb do with his

826
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: reps um. He points out Latimer to do a fourth

827
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: three AE to combine. Again, I guys, I think from

828
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: what we see from Webb I think he's a little

829
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: bit more accurate than last year. Good arm, we said

830
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: the start of the show. But again, the quarterback rooms,

831
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: schoolly things, reads progressions and things like that. It's hard

832
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: for me and Pulled really judge that. But look, he's

833
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 1: got the physical tools. We knew that already, he's shown

834
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: it again, and we'll go from there, you know what,

835
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: until he actually gets in the preseason games. The truth

836
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: of the matter is there's nothing else that he could

837
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: probably show us in the next couple of months that

838
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: we can't already tell you from what we knew a

839
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: couple of months ago. Preseason game is the next step, right,

840
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: that's it. Honestly, get him in live game action. That's

841
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: the only way we're gonna be able to tell anything

842
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: more about Davis. Because to me, he's proven everything he

843
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: can prove in the in the charter class arms strings

844
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: proven everything we've seen it, We've proven everything. I think

845
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: maybe more consistent accuracy, maybe we can see that get

846
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: a little bit better. But yeah, I'm with you, I

847
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: think and look, and we were saying this last year,

848
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: and that was my whole point going into the draft room.

849
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: I look, you can't have a guy that you haven't

850
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: seen under fire in a game. Let you make a

851
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: decision on what you're doing with the quarterback in the

852
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: draft if you want, if you believe anyone, that's a

853
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: different situation. But you gotta see him in the game,

854
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: and that's the next step for him, and that's what

855
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna see when we found again, he's gonna get

856
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: tons of reps. He's gonna get tons of reps. And

857
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: I think even though I think as we move forward,

858
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: him and Loletta will be in a competition to to

859
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: to be Eli's successor and be his backup this year,

860
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: this is gonna be Davis Webbs deal. I mean, he's

861
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: been the league year. The We'll let us Davis Webb's

862
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: insurance policies what he is for this season. Yes, question

863
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: moving forward, right, but Webs Webb is just so far

864
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: ahead of understanding the NFL and things like that. He

865
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: is better physical tools as well, So I would be

866
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 1: surprised if if there's a switching in the depth chart

867
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: between those two guys at some point this year. But look, guys,

868
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: we gotta get him on the field and then we'll

869
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: bill tell you a little bit more. Letting Columbia, Maryland. Hey, Lenn,

870
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to you in a bit. What's up. Yeah,

871
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: how you doing, guys. I'm gonna ask I'm gonna ask

872
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: Paul to bear with me here for a moment to

873
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: end on on the Beckham thing. Paul, don't you think

874
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: it's really a wait and see on the Giants part? Sure?

875
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: It is. I mean, I think I think Beckham's folks

876
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: would start a negotiation today if the Giants were willing

877
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: to do that. Len, I've said on this program and

878
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: I've said it on the fan multiple times, you cannot,

879
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: in my mind, sign this man to any type of

880
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: contract until he gets on the field and proves that

881
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: he is still the same player that he was last

882
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: year before he got hurt. That just that's common sense.

883
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: And by the way, and I agree with that. I

884
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure we were in the same paragraph.

885
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: I was getting the feeling that you were talking about

886
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: that this is you know, when Beckham is ready to

887
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: talk about it, he'll talk about it. It's I mean,

888
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: the Giants have the advantage here in this negotiation. I mean,

889
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: they're simply gonna say and I think that contract people

890
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: probably know that don't they mean Beckham has a contract?

891
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: What the giants are I mean, let's let's let's let's

892
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: look look at it this way. Okay, let me just

893
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: say this right now, and and look, it could all change.

894
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: But he's limited right now. All he can do is

895
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: individual drills at the moment. He can't even take regular

896
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: snaps in the regular seven on sevens or eleven on eleven.

897
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: He's okay, strictly all right. So that's the way it's

898
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: probably gonna be for the foreseeable future. And then when

899
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: training camp opens at the end of July, how much

900
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: you want to bet that they're gonna hold him back

901
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: with kid gloves and he's gonna be limited then too.

902
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: So here's the funniest part about it. You got these

903
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: these folks out there who want to right headlines that

904
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: Beam's not gonna play in any preseason games. Let me

905
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: tell you something, you might not playing preseason games anymore

906
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: because the medical people are being so careful with him.

907
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: Chances are there there was a pretty good possibility that

908
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: even if he didn't get hurt, he wouldn't be playing

909
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: in any preseason games or take a handful of snaps.

910
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: So don't let the hype. Think you're not, because so

911
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: he won't do much during during the camp. He probably

912
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: won't do much, if anything, during the preseason. All you

913
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: need to worry about as a Giants fan is week one.

914
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: Is he going to play in that regular season game

915
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: week one? And this is not an emergency situation, Like

916
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: you said, he's not a free agent, he's not a controfici. Yeah,

917
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: exactly right. Let me add one more thing to that,

918
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: one more thing. If that's true. If if we take

919
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: that supposition is true, and he does not play until

920
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: week one of the regular season, well then let's go

921
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: by the logic we just applied earlier. You can't give

922
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: a player a new deal until you see him play

923
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: on the field, which then means, just by common sense,

924
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: that any deal they reach will probably come after the

925
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: regular season starts and he gets on the field. So

926
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: any chadow you here from the newspaper people, that, the

927
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: TV people, etcetera, etcetera, the bloggers is all a bunch

928
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: of cotton candy until then. Yeah, okay, yeah, I agree

929
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: with it. Let me let me let me move on

930
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: to something else. Um. John Paul and Lance on Friday's

931
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: Question of the Day was really kind of an intriguing one,

932
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: and I'd like to be able to comment on it.

933
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: The one, you know, where, where did the Giants off

934
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: season rank in terms of all the other teams? How

935
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: did we see the off season was a top five,

936
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: top end, etcetera. And it's it's it's I know Paul

937
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: remembers that conversation. Oh it was quite a show. Yeah

938
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: it was. It was real good and it was a

939
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: great question, and I'd like to comment on it. I think,

940
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard not to put them in the

941
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: top five, but I want to. I want to go

942
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: back in time a little bit um into the end

943
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: of last season. I think the Giants offset I'm gonna

944
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: give credit to ownership here. I think the Giants preparation

945
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: for off season two thousand eighteen started around Thanksgiving weekend

946
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: of the two thousand seventeen season and ownership making the

947
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: move on the coach and on the general manager to

948
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: beginning to turn things around. And you know, we could

949
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: have waited until the end of the season, but I

950
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: think they saw a need to get started on two

951
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. And I think they made two great picks. Um,

952
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, these are professional guys, not that any past

953
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: coach or past general manager that Giants have not been professional.

954
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: But these guys seem to be handling this three and

955
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: thirteen transition, uh, you know, hopefully to a winning season. Um,

956
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: you know, real well and uh, but but I wanted

957
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: to give credit to the ownership from making that move

958
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: towards the end of the last season where they said, hey, listen,

959
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: we're starting to plant for we're starting to plant for

960
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: next year. And some decisions were made and they were

961
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: good ones. Listen, thanks for you. Do you have any

962
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: comment on that, by the way, Yeah, one of the

963
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: quick questions. You know what, I'm kind of looking the

964
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: teams and I'm going through that. Why don't you ask

965
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: your final question and I'll try to come with my

966
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 1: best offseason thing. Okay, all right, thank you. You guys

967
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: are doing a real good job of keeping us updated

968
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: on these O T A s and everything else that

969
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: you see that we can't see, et cetera. Um, give

970
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: me give me a feeling on the offensive line as

971
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: you watched it yesterday, first shooting at second unit, you know,

972
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: the key guy to me and this trap this hernandez, Um, why,

973
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: I mean, how are they how are they lining? Up.

974
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: I know it doesn't mean much. It's only the first

975
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: the first O t A. But um, still, you know

976
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, guys catching the ball. So give

977
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: me a you know, give me a feel on the

978
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: offensive line. What how did they line up Paul yesterday?

979
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: They rotated a lot. Yeah. Well the first team left

980
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: to right was Solder Hernandez, Jones, oh mom a and

981
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: um and Flowers. Did you see Alapio get in there

982
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: with that? But then but then Halapio Hallepeolopio got wrong? Justlpeo, Hallepeo.

983
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, um, Hallopio Hallapeo looks like right now, as

984
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: I've said, now for a while, he's the number two

985
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: center in my mind, I think I think that's gonna

986
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: be pretty pretty solid for him, and he got first.

987
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: They also put her Nandez at second team reps at

988
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: right guards some okay, so he's worked both sides and

989
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: o mom has worked left and right also, correct. Um,

990
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: we've seen Nick Beckton works second team left tackle. Yes,

991
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: Greg was in there too at some point. Greco was

992
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: a tackle no hood guards second Oh yeah yeah. Um.

993
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: We also saw Wheeler at right tackle on the second team. Yes,

994
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: with Flowers of the first team. Yes. And then I thought,

995
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: in terms of performance, I thought the offensive line, especially

996
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: during the Blitz period of practice yesterday, did a really

997
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: good job. And I thought I was very impressed. I

998
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: thought the defensive line got the better of him today. Okay,

999
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: let me let me ask you a question. I'm about

1000
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: a couple of players along the offensione Where was where was?

1001
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: Where was Greco in the in the lineup? Did he

1002
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: fit in at all? I think he played. I think

1003
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: he played both guards with the second and third. I

1004
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: saw him left. I thought, okay, he was also on

1005
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: the right. I'm not positive. I can't remember back back

1006
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: back to Halapio for a second, and I know I'm

1007
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: running at a time. He's got a big advantage because

1008
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: he plays two positions. Sure, you can play center, he

1009
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: can play guard and guy like that on six or

1010
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: else you're carrying eight linemen on game day and one

1011
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: guy isn't going to play at all. But I think

1012
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: he has a bigger, bigger He's probably the front runner

1013
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: in terms of being able to make this roster and

1014
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: fill in and that in that kind of position. You know,

1015
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: I see John Jerry is almost like an insurance policy. Yeah,

1016
00:50:55,160 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: I mean he said to take the will beat. Uh,

1017
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: you know, the will be the situation. He's like, he's

1018
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: going to fill the will be the insurance problem. You know,

1019
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: land the problem here right now they have too many

1020
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: interior alignment and not enough guys playing tackle. Agree, Like

1021
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: if they've signed a free agent guard off the street

1022
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: right now, they have a real hard time figuring a

1023
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: way to make the team. I mean, so many guys

1024
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: on this team right now can play guard, and there's

1025
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: a couple of them that can play center to but

1026
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: even even the undrafted rookie free agent guys that they

1027
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: brought in. You know, Cooper was activated off the practice

1028
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: squad at the end of last year. He was on

1029
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: practice squad. They've given him some some shots out there, Cooper, right, Yeah,

1030
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: this is a third string set there from not mistakes.

1031
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: Nick Gates the kid from Nebraska who they brought in,

1032
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 1: and he was a tackle in Nebraska, but he's gonna

1033
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: be a guard in the NFL. So they got guys

1034
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: to choose from the guard they got, they got a

1035
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: bunch of people that they can say, hey, go ahead,

1036
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: win the job. But tackle, that's where it gets really,

1037
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: really thin. So you know I wish, but what NFL

1038
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: team can't say that. They all can say that tackle

1039
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: so sparse, toughest position to fill in football, and then quarterback,

1040
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: so anyway, Land, That's that's my answer and John's answer

1041
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: in terms of you know what they're doing. But I

1042
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: the only thing I would say, and I appreciate what

1043
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: John saying. I'm I'm not one too much for great

1044
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: in alignment at all, offensively or defensively at this point

1045
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: in time. That's why I said, from what you can see,

1046
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: maybe one group was a little bit better than the other.

1047
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: But you're right, you can't. You can't because even I

1048
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: had somebody wrote up one of the media people wrote

1049
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: up a practice report yesterday, right, and they said so

1050
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: and so you know, I was beating Flowers off the edge,

1051
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: and I'm saying to myself, okay, but Flowers knows they're

1052
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: just beating on him because they're they're just hammering the

1053
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: guy to hammer him because there's no contact allowed. And

1054
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: if I'm an offensive lineman and I'm told I can't

1055
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: contact the guy who's gonna be rushing the passer, how

1056
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 1: am I supposed to stop him? Wave and say stop?

1057
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: Blick my eyes? Sneeze. What am I supposed to do?

1058
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: Greg in Atlanta? He's up next? Ight, Greg? Hey, how

1059
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: you guys are doing? What's up? Greg has alright? Alright,

1060
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: I haven't called you guys in a while. Man, welcome back, Abody. Yeah,

1061
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm excited about the Giants and what we're doing. And

1062
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: you know, I must say, y'all. Y'all had a conversation

1063
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: about the greatest the team that had the best offseason moves,

1064
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: and the Giants gotta be ranked in the top three

1065
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: because simply because they made an overhaul of their home

1066
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: organization from the coach. And I like Jerry Reees, but

1067
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: I think Jerry Reef was just a victim of his

1068
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: own circumstances. Like people started labeling him as a GM

1069
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: that would make sure he gets the better Uh ended

1070
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: the deal when he started bugging in with folks, and

1071
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: I think that ended up ultimately buying him in the

1072
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: butt because some of the moves he made, he was

1073
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: forced to make it because people stopped dealing with him.

1074
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: That's just my opinion, or wouldn't deal with him the

1075
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: way they would And just to go over one thing

1076
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: before I hang up, mean, it's just looking I just

1077
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: looked at the last couple of drafts that we had,

1078
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: and in t sixteen we took Eli Apple number ten

1079
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: and Vernon Hargraves was ranked was rated as a better

1080
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: player come out of college and he was took took

1081
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: number elevens same position. So it hadn't scratching my head

1082
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: that year. The year before we took Eric Flower was ninthful.

1083
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: After Eric Flowers, Tim Todd Gurley got picked eleventh, Trey

1084
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: Waynes got picked fifteens, Melvin Gordon was picked eighteens, Marcus

1085
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: Peters was picked in twenty of Nelson Accolo set around.

1086
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: We took Western River and right after that, Jeremy Hill

1087
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: got drafted in Carlos Right. Know what, you can make

1088
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: yourself miserable by reliving those drafts all your wad. Right now,

1089
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: it's up to Dave Gettleman to fix things, and I

1090
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: think you were probably pretty happy with what he did

1091
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: last month. And I want to let Jeremy too much either,

1092
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: By the way, those guys, that's my point is I

1093
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: just like what Gettleman has done, and people don't want

1094
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: to take a running back early. But if you look

1095
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: at the recent trend in the NFL with Todd Gurley,

1096
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: Zeki Elliott and the guy that went to Jacksonville for that.

1097
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: For that, Yeah, it's almost a no brainer. The thing

1098
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: is when you have a veteran quarterback and I'm rather

1099
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: go and let's take the rest off air, But when

1100
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: you have I've been praying for this for years. The

1101
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: problem to me was the offensive line in the running game,

1102
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: because you cannot have an effective ELI if you don't

1103
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: have a play action and teams was just not respect

1104
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: and I'll run. They would pitting it is back waiting

1105
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: for eat out of pass and then it was terrible.

1106
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: And I just think the addition to St. Kwan Barkley

1107
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: will make our officer even kill office where teams have

1108
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: to guess, and part of being an effective office is

1109
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: keeping the deepest guessing. And I think that's what's gonna

1110
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: make us even though we did a whole overhaul. I

1111
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: think that also helps us too, because teams don't know

1112
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: how to game plan. They're gonna need a year to

1113
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: try to sort out what we're doing, and that may

1114
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: that may make our record better than some people think

1115
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: this year. The element of surprise and schelling it all together.

1116
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: And I'll just take your comments on that off line

1117
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: and thank you. Got to have a great day and

1118
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: do that one of my favorite guys. Man take care. Uh.

1119
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: You know the interesting thing about Dave Gentleman, and I

1120
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: don't know how many times I said this when the

1121
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: Giants were looking for the lu GM that they eventually hired,

1122
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: and you are Gentleman underlined it and bolted from the beginning. Yes,

1123
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: his resume speaks for itself. I mean, is it any

1124
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: surprise to you or Matt sitting here at our at

1125
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: our phone bank, or anybody else that he had a

1126
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: logical and what we believe to be good draft last month?

1127
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: Is that really any surprise? He drafted right alone the

1128
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: lines of what his character says he was going to draft,

1129
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: didn't he Nothing that he did in that draft shouldn't

1130
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: surprise you based on what he's done in the past,

1131
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: a lot of defensive line, on offensive line and running back.

1132
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: Leopard doesn't change his spots. You are what you are,

1133
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: So I guess what I'm saying is, you know I'm

1134
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: not I'm not like getting all giddy about what what

1135
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: Gentleman did because that's what I expected. I expected him

1136
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: to draft smart, I expected him to draft well. I

1137
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: expected him to rebuild the trenches. I expected him to

1138
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: help the running game, just like what he did with

1139
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: his free agent signings. This is the guy's d n A.

1140
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: If you knew what he was before, then this is

1141
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: part of the course or a little a folks. I

1142
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: want to get to our final two calls. Angel First,

1143
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: Matt Online. Three? Angel, what's up doing? How you doing?

1144
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: My first time caller. I've been listening to you guys

1145
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: for years. Thanks for calling in. Never had, but I

1146
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: got a question about the offense. What's the difference in

1147
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 1: coach McAdoo and Sherman's new West School? Um, Angel, Yeah,

1148
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: I think Shermer has more of a hybrid system. Remember

1149
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: he spent time with Chip Kelly, he spent time with

1150
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: north Turner. Um. Even just by the way they call plays.

1151
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: You look at the the length of the play calls

1152
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: that he's incorporating some of north Turner's number system in there.

1153
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: It's more shorter the play calls and what they have

1154
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: with Macu do Um. I think you're seeing a lot

1155
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: more play action and a lot more stuff down field

1156
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: with Shermer than what you saw with Macudo. And I

1157
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: think you're seeing probably more of a of a traditional

1158
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: power run game combined with that downfield passing then what

1159
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: you would have seen with you know, McAdoo tried to

1160
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: use the short pass and try to substitute that for

1161
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: a run game. I don't think you're gonna see that

1162
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: quite as much of charmer. You still will throw some

1163
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: of those short passes in the flat to the slocky

1164
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: and stuff, but I think you'll see a more of

1165
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: a traditional downfield passing attack than what you saw with

1166
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: mac can do here. In my opinion, yeah, I would agree.

1167
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: And yet I still haven't received an answer as to

1168
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: whether or not they will have a true fullback on

1169
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: the roster. I still haven't found that it's the only guy, right,

1170
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: I mean did That's interesting to know. I would like

1171
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: to know. I know, And maybe it comes down to

1172
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: what happens, what what happens in camp and in the preseason.

1173
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: They may not know yet. Remember Barkley round with the

1174
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: fullback his first year of Penn State. Then he was

1175
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: mostly in the gun after that, So we'll see. Okay,

1176
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: I got one of last question for Paul. Yeah, um,

1177
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember not not this training camp,

1178
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: training camp, I was looking with Anita Marks, and I

1179
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: was calling you, Paul, and I was trying to get

1180
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: a picture, and I gotta picture you too. Guys one,

1181
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: what happened to be the Marks? I like her, Mr.

1182
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: Haven't heard someone a long time, and I wish her

1183
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: success and too. Um being at vic Cruz is uh

1184
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican descent and he won a super Bowl with us.

1185
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: How many other super Bowl champions do you know are

1186
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: from Puerto Rican descent? By any chance of the top

1187
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: of your head. Ah, boy Um, I'll let you take them. Thanks,

1188
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: angel I both thanks. I appreciate that because I have

1189
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: no idea. I have no idea. I have no idea.

1190
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: Angel is a great question. I don't know. I wouldn't

1191
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: even try. I wouldn't even venture a guest. I don't

1192
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: even know where to start with that. I'm going to

1193
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: guess Tony Gonzalez came close to Puerto Rican, That's what

1194
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm taking a guess. I don't even know.

1195
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's Puerto Rican. I don't know.

1196
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't know. I I will

1197
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: tell you I do a lot of scouting on these guys,

1198
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: but I don't do their heritage. That's not one thing

1199
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: I do know. I mean generally you don't have I mean,

1200
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: if you just go down the list, you don't have

1201
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people with traditionally Hispanic names in the league.

1202
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: It just doesn't happen a lot. And then of those guys,

1203
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: which guys are Puerto Rican to be yah, Dominican, which

1204
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: guys are Mexican? I don't even know, no clue. I

1205
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: don't even know what will Hernandez is Howard. To be

1206
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: honest with you, I would logically guess if you're in Texas,

1207
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: I would think somewhere from either Mexico South America. But

1208
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: he was to think, but he left to grew up

1209
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: in Vegas, so southwest, r so southwest. That would be like,

1210
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: I have no clue. Works for ESPN, Yes, that's a

1211
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: lot of things for the Pristian New York and that

1212
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: sort of thing. All right, Charlie, I mentioned your name.

1213
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: I should have known you're gonna pick up the phone

1214
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: once I did. Go ahead, Hey guys, Hey, how many

1215
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: Italians were in the Super bowls Now? I'm just kiddings

1216
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: Um actually has that number. By the way, Paul, how

1217
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: many tides I've been in the Super Bowl? No, I don't.

1218
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that. I really don't.

1219
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: I really don't. Hey, look, I just want to say, Look,

1220
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: last year we had a terrible coaching staff, a terrible

1221
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: head coach. That's why everything fell apart. And he was

1222
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: like suspending people every other day, and that's why the

1223
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: whole thing went sho tr tryly and one thing to

1224
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: defend them. I think some of those suspensions were actually

1225
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: pretty warranted, to be quite honest with you, Charlie. There

1226
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: were so many things that went wrong last year, and

1227
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: when you win three games, more than one thing has

1228
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: to fall apart. Yes, yeah, well they didn't. They didn't

1229
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: believe in them, and they didn't believe in the system,

1230
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: and that didn't help, and then everything fell apart. And

1231
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad we've moved on from that. But I have

1232
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: to say something about Becka. Look, the Giants should be

1233
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: talking in with him his agent now. They should be

1234
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: talking at least, and they think and maybe they are.

1235
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: Steve too already said that about a month and a

1236
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: half ago. He said they had already had some preliminary discussions,

1237
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: very preliminary to and that's and that's one of the

1238
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: owners of the team. So you know that's true, that's

1239
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: not clickbait, right, So they should be talking to him.

1240
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: And the thing is, you know, we keep saying the

1241
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: Giants have you know, all the you know, the nod

1242
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: manum on this. They have, you know, because Beckham is

1243
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: on contract, but actually Beckham has all the momentum. He's

1244
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: the one because if they want to let him walk

1245
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: probably the greatest wide receiver in NFL history when all

1246
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: things are said and done. I mean, it's like letting

1247
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: Jerry like Rice walk away. He can't let that happen. Patrolle.

1248
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: He can't walk. Well, he can eventually walk, whether it's

1249
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: this year or next year, or he's got they got

1250
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: a franchise tag if they want to use it. He's

1251
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: he's tied up. I know, I know that. But they

1252
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: also don't want every like every announcer, every person coming

1253
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: in asking questions, why isn't he signed? You're right, probably

1254
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: ConTroll and and look we're not saying that Giant's gonna

1255
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: be like, oh, we control your rights for three years,

1256
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: screw you. We're not going to talk to you. That's

1257
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: not what we're saying or what they should do. The

1258
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: point though, is that there isn't an emergence that you do.

1259
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 1: You remember the show Lost? Did you watch that show?

1260
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: And in the bunker they had the big clock and

1261
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: the clock was conning down and nobody did. The clock

1262
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: was cunning down towards but you're like, oh man, the

1263
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: clocks can do. There's no clock here that as like

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Speaker 1: two months on it where if they don't get a

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Speaker 1: contract done in sixty days, the team's gonna blow up.

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Speaker 1: That that it's not that much of an emergency house show.

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Speaker 1: Good states, and they need to be because he's had

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Speaker 1: good states. He's coming in the voluntaries, which is fine.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad he has and he should have anyway. But

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Speaker 1: I mean what I guess what I'm saying is there's

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Speaker 1: going to be a given take on both sides. Were

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Speaker 1: and and and I think that, But I don't think

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Speaker 1: the Giants have all the leverage. I think, Okay, I'll

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Speaker 1: get a lot of leverage because they can't let the

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Speaker 1: greatest wide receiver in NFL history walk away from them.

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Speaker 1: You hit it, you and you hit it. He has

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Speaker 1: leverage because he's so good. That's why he has leverage.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's fair. Whenever you're a great player,

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Speaker 1: and you know what team is not gonna want to

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Speaker 1: lose you. You do hold a certain amount of left pulling.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't disagree with that either. But having said that, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: I remember the last time the Giants fan base was

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Speaker 1: up in arms over a potential free agent, and that

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Speaker 1: was with Victor Cruz some years ago when he was

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Speaker 1: still a Pro Bowl receiver before he got hurt. A

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Speaker 1: keen next two moments. Okay, nixt to, but but here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. The Cruise deal eventually got done, didn't Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it did, and I'm hoping that it will get done too,

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Speaker 1: and sooner than later, because then you don't want to

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Speaker 1: kind of controversy and all kinds of stuff going on.

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Speaker 1: And he had the thing you said about flowers. You

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Speaker 1: know they couldn't hit anybody, and he just let the

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Speaker 1: guy go by. Why, I know what, I know where

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Speaker 1: this is going. There you go, Charlie. You didn't disappoint

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Speaker 1: You came through. You throw the touchdown pass. We all

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Speaker 1: knew that you wanted the fire pull. That was that,

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Speaker 1: that was slow pit softball. You just lobbed that one

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Speaker 1: up him and he just wailed. And thank you, Charlie.

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Speaker 1: We gotta run, good bye, good call you. You knew

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Speaker 1: that was coming. Charl was reasonable there though, that was

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Speaker 1: very reasonable, that made sense until his last comment. That

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Speaker 1: was funny. It was funny than Charlie. It was funny.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, John Well back tomorrow, Giants dot Com. Day

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Speaker 1: off for the players in terms of being out on

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Speaker 1: the field, and we're back with O t A coverage

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Speaker 1: on Thursday and Giants dot com. Make sure you checking

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Speaker 1: out for Paul de Tino. I'm Schmell. We'll see then.

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