1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Hey y'all, this is Dr Joy from the Therapy for 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: Black Girls podcasts, and this is a booster session. As 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: a reminder, the information included is meant to be educational 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: and entertaining, but is not a substitute for relationship with 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: a licensed mental health professional. Hey y'all, I'm back with 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: the final conversation of our series about Black women in business, 7 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: and I think you're gonna love it. This series is 8 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: being brought to you with the support of Fightser. 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As we count down to this year's Black 17 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: Enterprise Women of Power Summit, which will be held March 18 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: fifth through the eighth in Las Vegas, I'll be speaking 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: in the Finser booth during the summit about how our 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: mental health is impacted by our experiences in the workplace, 21 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: in entrepreneurship, in leadership roles, and in relationships with others, 22 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: and I wanted to kick things off by having some 23 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: of those conversations right here on the podcast. Today you'll 24 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: hear my conversation with Dr Frieda Lewis Hall. During her 25 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: thirty five year career in medicine, she has been on 26 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: the front lines of health care as a clinician, a researcher, 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: and a leader in the biopharmaceuticals and life sciences industries. 28 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: The common thread throughout has been her passion to advocate 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: for health equity and improved outcomes for all patients. As 30 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: Senior Medical Advisor and Finser's former Chief Patient Office, Sir, 31 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: Dr Frieda supports fiser's work to advance patient focus programs 32 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: and platforms from drug discovery and development through patient access. 33 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: Her commitment to patient centricity serves patients around the world 34 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: by seeking their voice and input, as well as understanding 35 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: and responding to their needs to help people live longer, healthier, 36 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: and more productive lives. Dr Freeder previously served as fiser's 37 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: Chief Medical Officer from two thousand and nine to two 38 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen before joining Fiser in two thousand nine. She 39 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: held senior leadership positions with Vertex, Bristol Myers squib for Macia, 40 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: and Eli Lilly and Company. Prior to joining industry, she 41 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: served as vice chairperson and Associate professor in the Department 42 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: of Psychiatry at Howard University College of Medicine and was 43 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: an advisor to the National Institute of Mental Health. Dr 44 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: Frieda graduated from Hopkins University and earned her medical doctorate 45 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: at Howard University College of Medicine. She appears regularly on 46 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: health related television programs in major global markets, including CBS 47 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: syndicated shows such as The Doctors and Doctor Field. She 48 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: also shares health and medical information through Get Healthy, Stay 49 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: Healthy dot com. She currently serves on numerous boards, including 50 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: spring Works Therapeutics, del Medical School, Harvard Medical School, faster Cures, 51 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: the Foundation for the n i H, and the Patient 52 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: Centered Outcomes Research Institute. As you can hear, Dr Frieda 53 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: is incredibly busy. She and I chatted about the work 54 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: that she's done around health disparities, the factor she believes 55 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: have led to her success, her tips for being a 56 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: good men tee, how she tends to her own mental 57 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: health while being so incredibly busy, and she shared the 58 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: four groups of people she thinks we all need to 59 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: have in our lives to continue to grow. If you 60 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: hear something while listening that resonates with you, please share 61 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: with us on social media using the hashtag tv G 62 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: in Session. Here's our conversation. Thank you so much for 63 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: joining us today, Dr freed to Oh, it is my pleasure. 64 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: I am so happy to be able to chat with you, 65 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: someone who has had such an illustrious career, really focused 66 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: on working on health disparities and really taking care of 67 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: people who are struggling. So I want to hear from 68 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: you what your career has been like. I want to 69 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: hear what helped you to even focus on studying health 70 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: disparities as a focus of your career. Well for starters, 71 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: I started as a child interested, if you would, in 72 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: health disparities because my passion for Madison. My decision to 73 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: become a doctor was when I hit six years old, 74 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: and I grew up in a home that included my 75 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,559 Speaker 1: uncle that came to live with us when I was born. 76 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: My father's brother one year younger, who had been paralyzed 77 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: at the hands of a polio infection. When he was 78 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: six years old, and I had lots of exposure to 79 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: health issues and to the health care system, if you would, 80 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: the people that took care of my uncle in both 81 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: the primary care environment as well as surgical and rehabilitation 82 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: and other environments, and we had great experiences, and so 83 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a part of that. But as 84 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: I grew and I understood when we were facing as 85 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: a family, it was clear we were not necessarily getting 86 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: access to or the benefit of things that others were 87 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: getting the benefit of, at least not without a fight. 88 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: And then when I went to medical school at Howard 89 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: University in Washington, d C. I had a chance from 90 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: the other side to see the ramifications that lead to disparities, 91 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: everything from the economic environment to the physical neighborhood and environment, education, food, 92 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: all of the above. And then I was really hooked 93 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: in trying to find a way to address it wherever 94 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: I could. Yeah, And I think it's really interesting that 95 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: you do some of your training at Howard, because I 96 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: think that that kind of primes you right to be 97 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: focusing on these kinds of topics in our community. Well, 98 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: it primed me and forced me to action in large 99 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: ways and small ways. Literally, I would look at the 100 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: data to figure out what medications I should get my 101 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: patients and that what does it and understand what would 102 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: happen to them. Once I did and the data was lacking, 103 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: the studies had not been done in my patients, I 104 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: would notice, well, gee, I gave this medication to my 105 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: patient and it says here the likelihood of getting these 106 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: effects was a but it seems to me that they're 107 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: higher in the group that I'm serving. And so I 108 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: began to see that not only did we have work 109 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: to do in addressing disparities, we had a lot of 110 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: work to do and understanding disparities and then understanding what 111 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: we could do about it. So having patients in clinical 112 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: trials just as a small example, so that we could 113 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: really understand what medicines or procedures would be best applied 114 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: to a patient population kind of the beginnings of individualized 115 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: or personalized health. And so that started a whole force 116 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: of study for me and what I call the ethno psychopharmacology, 117 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: So looking at the medicines that we used to treat 118 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: anxiety and depression and schizophrenia and trying to get a 119 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: better understanding of whether or not race and ethnicity had 120 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: an effect on which medicines might work better, what doses 121 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: might work better, what to expect in terms of side effects. 122 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: And so it's really at that level that I think 123 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: we have some understanding game in order to completely address 124 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: the health disparities issues. And that that's a great lead 125 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: into my next question, because I'm curious to hear from 126 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: you what kinds of things you think we do need 127 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: to continue to be focused on in terms of health disparities. 128 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: So I think we have a few layers to focus on. 129 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: We've got to do something about our policies and practices 130 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: that would help us address some of the factors that 131 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: we talked about. I don't think we completely solve the 132 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 1: health disparity issue in our community until we address some 133 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: of the economic challenges, so how to get equity or 134 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: equality around our economics. We're not going to completely solve 135 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: the problem until we address a physical or environmental issues safety, 136 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, whether or not we're exposed to things that 137 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: would lead to higher rates of illness. Asthma is a 138 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: great example, you know, kind of fixing the environments that 139 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: we live in so that we can begin to reduce 140 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: the impact of asthma on our community. So we've got 141 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: a number of policy opportunities to put it into practice 142 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: and to address the societal issues and environmental issues that 143 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: contribute to the disparity. But we also have an opportunity 144 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: to address issues in our healthcare system. And I have 145 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: a friend that last every time I say that, and 146 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: she says, why do you call it a health care system? 147 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: And I said, why shouldn't I? She said, because we 148 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: ain't healthy, nobody cares, and it show ain't no system 149 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: and right, so so I laugh, I said, I disagree 150 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: with the middle part because I think a lot of 151 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: people do care, but we can't disagree with the fact 152 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: that we ain't healthy and it ain't no systems. So 153 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: I think we have a lot of opportunities to address 154 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: bias in the system. We have a chance to address 155 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: access to the system. We can make things easier. We 156 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: don't have to get up and get on the bus 157 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: or go to the car and go across town to 158 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: see someone. We can use virtual technology, our medicines can 159 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: be delivered so we don't have to worry about, you know, 160 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: access in that way. So there are some things that 161 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: we can do right now today that improve access that 162 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: we should do. And then my mother used to always say, 163 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: there's some things you can do while you wait for 164 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: them to do what they should do. So I think 165 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: that there are some things that we can do in 166 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: our communities and as individual to reduce the burden of 167 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: health issues in our community. And that includes upping our 168 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: game and health literacy, like really learning things about our 169 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: health as individuals that live in the community, and to 170 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: spread the word about the importance of that. So what 171 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: is my health history, what is my family health history? 172 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: And my monitoring my blood pressure, my polls, my heart rate, 173 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: do I get my sugar chats? And on and on, 174 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: and then the individual behaviors that we do, what we eat, 175 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: whether or not we're active, etcetera. So I think that 176 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: there's a whole spectrum that we can do, and then 177 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: as a system, I guess my passion, but also my fantasy, 178 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: if you would like, if I could just pick a thing, 179 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: would be to actually take some models that we have 180 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: that we know work in communities. We demonstrated that we 181 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: know how to get assets, but we haven't done is 182 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: identify them as scalable models and then scale them taking 183 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: what we already know we can do and that we 184 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: demonstrated that we can do well and figure out a 185 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: way to not make that just happen in you know, 186 00:11:54,679 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: one community, but to provide a platform to expanded to 187 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: as many communities as we could get it too, as 188 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: quickly as we can get it there. Yeah, and that 189 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: is something I you know, I talked with a lot 190 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: of like physicians and researchers and scientists online and it 191 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: seems like a large part of their struggle is funding 192 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: for these kinds of projects. Right, so when you want 193 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: to specialize maybe in a certain group, the funding sources 194 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: will say like, oh, that's not scalable enough or it's 195 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: not global enough. And so I'm wondering if you have 196 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: run into any of those kinds of struggles in your 197 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: career in terms of people saying this work is too small, 198 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: we needed to be broader for us to fund it. 199 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: I've actually run into the opposite. The number of programs 200 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: interests by foundations has been quite significant. There's been a 201 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: great amount of enthusiasm about trying to do something very 202 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: important to make this happen, and the organization around it, 203 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: or the difficulty and organizing around it more nationally, if 204 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 1: you would has been a challenge and I know that 205 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: their organizations who certainly have done this for as long 206 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: as I've been around, and many like the National Medical 207 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: Association before I was born, to try and make important 208 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: things around health happened in our community and have worked 209 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: to find funding to do so. But the matchmaking the 210 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: money to the organization has really been one of the problems. 211 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: But again, organizations are beginning to take this on and 212 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: I think with some success, right, I would agree, I 213 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: think that it is becoming a bigger part of the conversation. 214 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: But you know, when you talk about the fact that 215 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: you even got to name the field of study because 216 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: it was something that wasn't being done, lets us know 217 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: that we do still have quite a ways to go 218 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: in terms of continuing to do this research and work. 219 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: That's true. That's it. I'm kind of old, and so 220 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: I've had a chance to name a lot of things 221 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: that really means you've been able to make you So 222 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk more about that because there is 223 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: clearly no one who gets the level of success that 224 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: you do without some things that have really I'm sure 225 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: it helped you along. So can you talk about some 226 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: of the major factors that you feel like you have 227 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: contributed to your success in your career. Oh, would love to. 228 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: Because I mentioned my upbringing. I think that my parents 229 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: believed I could fly and thought their job was to 230 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: give me wings. They did not have a lot in 231 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: terms of education or exposure themselves to healthcare, but they 232 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: were bound and determined that they give everything they to 233 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: get access to. And I just a quick vignette. My 234 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: father drove a taxi at night and on the weekends, 235 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: and so I would go hacking, which is what that 236 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: used to be called, with him. I would ride a 237 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: cap with him and we would then take breaks and 238 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: go to the museums on the mall. I was just 239 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: a little girl, but I was in love with the 240 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: medical museum in Washington, d C. The Smithsonian, and we 241 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: would go in and see you know, hearts and jars 242 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: and you know, legs and jars, and I was just 243 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: mystified by all of this medical stuff. And you know, 244 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: my dad would gladly take me every chance we got 245 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: to do that. Well, they closed the museum and dismantled 246 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: it years and years and years ago. But several years 247 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: ago I was invited to be interviewed and mentioned this 248 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: to the reporter who found that some of the exhibits 249 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: had been moved and knew where they were, so we 250 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: had a chance, with my dad, well into his eighties 251 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: to walk the museum exhibits that we used to walk 252 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: as I was a child. So just the depth of 253 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: impact of having someone so interested in what I wanted 254 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: was just really a kind sent source of inspiration. And 255 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: I grew up in a family that had many of 256 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: the attributes that were I think critical to my long 257 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: term success. My uncle, the one that came to live 258 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: with us, lived with us for many years, and he 259 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: had such a spirit despite his health challenges, so he 260 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: was let's get it done kind of guy. He developed 261 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: his own kind of way of managing around our house. 262 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: He crafted things that would allow him to lift out 263 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: of high places or reach low places. He crafted before 264 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: it was a thing hand control, so that he could 265 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: drive the car. I mean, it was just amazing to 266 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: see what you could do if you put your mind 267 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: to it and allowed yourself to bend problem solved to 268 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: make it happen. And then my mom was a voice 269 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: until I had my own. So I can't tell you 270 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: how many times the system I'm doing air flotation mark't 271 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: You can't see a counselor who didn't think that I 272 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: should consider being a doctor and thought that I should 273 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: just plan to marry well, because I was a lovely 274 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: young lady. I can't tell you how many times I 275 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: went home and my mother said what she said about her, 276 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take care I'm gonna take care of her 277 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: tomorrow morning. But but tonight, we're gonna get you in college. Right. So, 278 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: just the idea that I had someone that did not 279 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: allow me to conform to what other people thought I 280 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: was able to do, made sure that, however often I 281 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: lost my confidence, didn't lose my persistence for getting to 282 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: where I wanted to be. So, you know, all those 283 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: things added up, I feel just really gave me the 284 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: armor to face the system, if you would, or communities 285 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: that often had low expectations of me and wished I 286 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: would meet them, or put barriers in front of me 287 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: oftentimes I couldn't see, you know, challenged me in very 288 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: many ways. So I feel like they really armed me 289 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: with some tools that have allowed me to navigate. Yeah, 290 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: so it really sounds like that persistence was really kind 291 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 1: of stamped into you very early on. It was. It was. 292 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: It also made me open to mentorships, to listening. My 293 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: mother was let's just call it compassionately honest. So I 294 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: was getting hard hitting feedback from my very early days. 295 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: It made me, you know, kind of having a team 296 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: around me like that made me very open to feedback 297 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: over time, and I found myself asking for feedback, seeking mentorships, 298 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: and I've been talked how to receive it, and it 299 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: was wonderful. I had incredible mentors. I mentioned Howard University 300 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: doctor LaSalle Paul was one of my mentors from the 301 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: day I walked through medical school in nine until the 302 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: day he died just recently, always open for advice and support. 303 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: Incredible And that's just the name one. I've had many 304 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: many others in addition to mentors. I learned from a 305 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: mentor that I probably needed not just mentors, that I 306 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: needed four groups of people as a part of my 307 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: team or what we started calling my board one is mentors. 308 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: These are people that know your hearts, that are going 309 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: to give you compassionate feedback and are gonna kind of 310 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: support you. And there are people that generally are with 311 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: you throughout your career. You need sponsors. Those are really 312 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: hard to get. These are people that are gonna be 313 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: thinking about you when you're not in the room, are 314 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: willing to put their reputations on the line to advance 315 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: you to opportunities to raise your name about a possibility. 316 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: So you need sponsors, you need mentors, you need role models. 317 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: These are people who don't know you and that you 318 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: may not really know, but you should study them and 319 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: watch them. These are people that either have special unique skills, 320 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: have gotten where you want to be, have attributes that 321 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: you would like to have, and you should study them right, 322 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: watch them closely, learn about them, and then you know, 323 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: kind of use them. You may never again. You may 324 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: never meet them. You may which would be amazing, but 325 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: you don't have to, but you just watch them and 326 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: learn from them. From Afar and then Lance, but not least, 327 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: I think this is a group that we don't use 328 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: very often either. His coaches, and that is I've gone 329 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: countless times two people. I've seen them, for example, tackle 330 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: a tough issue in a meeting and realize that that's 331 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: not one of my strong suits and have gone to 332 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: them and said, can you coach me on? You know, 333 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: how did you do that? Can you teach me that? 334 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: So you can get coaches that are you know, kind 335 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: of friendly coaches if you would, that you don't have 336 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: to pay for. But you can also hire coaches to 337 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: do certain things public speaking, yeah, decision making. I mean, 338 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: there are a whole list of teams or individuals that 339 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: can coach or teach in a didactic way around specific 340 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: issues that you know you need to close the gap about. 341 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: And I tell people think about all four of those 342 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: and then in finding them. You know, coaches tend to 343 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: be a little easier. These are short term engagement. Role 344 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: models are easy because you don't have to ask anybody 345 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: for anything. You're just kind of following them. And that 346 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: is something that a lot of our listeners struggle with 347 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: in terms of wanting to kind of climb the ranks 348 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: in their business places or in their no educational fields. 349 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: Is the difficulty in connecting with mentors. Do you have 350 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: any suggestions or tiers for people who are maybe looking 351 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: for mentors and are not quite sure where to find them. 352 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: Mentors are more difficult because you do have to ask 353 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: for their time and their attention to you. And I 354 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: often say you don't really choose mentors, They choose you 355 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: because they've got to agree to spend time. So make 356 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: yourself a good mentee. Choose a mentor that you not 357 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: only think is good because they're high up in your 358 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: organization or whatever, but somebody that you believe can because 359 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: of their kind of schedule, will, because of their intent 360 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: or their willingness, spend some time with you. And then 361 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: approach them. And don't be offended if they say, you know, 362 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: I've got five mentees and if I'm gonna do a 363 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: good job, that's already too many. You know, maybe at 364 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: another time time, or I am so sorry, you know, 365 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: forgive them for that, and then ask if they know 366 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: someone who's had like experiences that might be willing to 367 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: take you on as a mentee. And then again sponsors 368 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: choose you too. But spend time with some of the 369 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: people that you think can provide advice and support, who 370 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: are in the rooms that you're not in, or exposed 371 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: to things that you're not exposed to, that they might 372 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: be willing to raise your name for a special project 373 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: or activity, might think of you if they think of 374 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: a class that has opened up that they know you're 375 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: interested in, and raise your name for it, etcetera. It's 376 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: a lot of what again, I've had good mentors and 377 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,959 Speaker 1: coaches who have helped me think about how to do 378 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: this over time. Yeah, those are such beautiful suggestions, especially 379 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: the coaches, right, because I think it is very easy 380 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: to kind of see somebody in a meeting or in 381 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: a class that you realize you admire or they do 382 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: something like you said, they have a skill that you 383 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: don't need to be able to stay like, hey, can 384 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: you teach me how to do that? I think those 385 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: are often very missed opportunities. Well, and many times people 386 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: think you need a mentor for that. You don't necessarily 387 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: have to have a mentor for that, right. I used 388 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: the feedback from my mentors in particular again I said, 389 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: I want compassionate access mentors and a cheerleaders. I want 390 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: to be able to go into a room and say 391 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: this is what I really want to do and have 392 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: a mentor say, oh, honey, you've got a lot of 393 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: work to do if that's what you're trying to get to. 394 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: UM and here's what you're missing, right. You really want 395 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: someone who's gonna hit you with some hard truth so 396 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: that you can make yourself better. And you also want 397 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: someone who I think knows your heart. And my husband 398 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: is one of my best mentors ever, and we've been 399 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: together since, you know, we were young. He really knows 400 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: my heart. And when I wanted to move from practice 401 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: and in an academic center to a pharmaceutical company so 402 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: that I could continue my work, I got such pushback 403 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: from family and colleagues. They were like, you've got to 404 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: be kidding me, you know, let me real tears of 405 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving time, the whole you know, the whole thing. But 406 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: my husband knew my heart. He said, look, you've been 407 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: a healer since i've known you. Does it matter to 408 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: you if you do it one at a time or 409 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: a million at a time. And that moved me. I 410 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: mean it was like a million at a time. I 411 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: hadn't thought of it that way, and I was in 412 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: all in and so it has been so rewarding. But 413 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: if I didn't have him as a mentor to help 414 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: me kind of understand what it was I was seeking 415 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: by going into that space, I would have really missed 416 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: an opportunity. And so again, you want mentors. They don't 417 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: have to be you know, your boss's boss at work. 418 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: They can just be people who know you, who give 419 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: you good feedback, who can kind of help you think 420 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: about where you want to be and how to get there. 421 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that dr for you to 422 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 1: So how have you been able to take care of 423 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: intend to your own mental health while continuing to do 424 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: all this amazing work? Okay, so that is a development 425 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: area for me, as it is for many of us, 426 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: right that it's the development area from me. Again, I 427 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: had some good mentors, and that my grandmother, my father's mother, 428 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: had sixteen children and a heap of foster children on 429 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: top of that. Over time, and we would go down 430 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: to her house in Richmond, Virginia, with all kinds of 431 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: demands about her. We want this, and we want that. 432 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: We would be visibly disappointed, shall I say? When she 433 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: said no, she had a saying. She would say, if 434 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: I set myself on fire to keep us warm tonight, 435 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do tomorrow when it's cold? Mm hmmm. 436 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: So often, remember that's what I really want. Why I 437 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: stretched myself, why I tend to burn myself out if 438 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: not right? Is that I want to help people that 439 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: I want, you know, my husband and children and grandchildren 440 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: and friends to be happy. And you know that I 441 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: want people that I work with to feel that I'm 442 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: doing a good job and the people that I work for, 443 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 1: my patients to feel that I'm serving them. You started 444 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: adding all that up, and there's no time in a 445 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: day for yourself. But if I remember my grandmother's words, 446 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: I remember, if that's really what I'm about, I gotta 447 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: be healthy, strong tomorrow two in order to keep that 448 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: work up. So I used my passion to try and 449 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: fuel my I guess decision making about how I spend 450 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: my time, and I had to refresh the message. But 451 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: I lose myself in that I'm knack on Tony. I 452 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: could honestly say I don't always get asleep. I should 453 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: get for sure, don't eat all the Chelsey foods I'm 454 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: supposed to eat when I'm supposed to eat them. And 455 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, let's just say math exercise regime is wanting, 456 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: so I won't. I won't say that I've masked or it. 457 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: But I do believe that I served my passion and 458 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: understand that I have to maintain myself in order to 459 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: do it the next day. And I also learned a 460 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: lesson from a friend of mine recently again about how 461 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: to think about how I spend my time, because that's 462 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: the challenge we all have, right what's important, how to 463 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: get it quotes all done, and figuring out how to 464 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: prioritize include yourself in that prioritization. I had a friend 465 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: who received a very serious medical diagnosis, very accomplished women. 466 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: She was working through everything, of course, you know, disappointment, 467 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: that appointment, this follow up. But she called me one 468 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: night in meltdown mode. She was crying. She kept saying, 469 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm scared, I'm scared, I'm scared. And I answer, I said, 470 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,239 Speaker 1: what are you afraid that? She said, she didn't know. 471 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: I went into clinical mode, right, So let's work on this, 472 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: let's talk about it, and I answer. I said, let's 473 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: start with the obvious. Are you afraid to die? And 474 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: she said something that really changed my course. She said, 475 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not afraid to die, but I am 476 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: afraid to die and not have people know who I 477 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: really am. I said, how can you say that you're 478 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, you're smart, you're talented, you're accomplished, You've done this. 479 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm reading her resume to her right in my hand. 480 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: She said, you know, that's not what I want people 481 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: to know. I want them to know that I'm faithful 482 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: and then I'm grateful and that I mean, she started 483 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: listening things that I knew about her, but I I 484 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: realized it's probably not everybody knew about her because she 485 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: was so busy focused on kind of her other accomplishments, 486 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: and and that's what she made most sable. She's doing 487 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: fine now, right, But she coiner termed herself and myself 488 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: to say, you know what, as I begin to make 489 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: my decisions during the day, maybe I should not make 490 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: them only on this. Maybe I should think about who 491 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: I am inside and who I want people to see 492 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 1: me as outside and make some decisions about that. So 493 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: we do to do lists that are not really to 494 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: do list there to be list so under grateful, what 495 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: am I doing today? Under faithful? What am I doing today? 496 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: I want to be a helper? What am I doing today? 497 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really it changes you and you realize 498 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: if you're not putting things in those categories that are 499 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 1: really important to you, then you're not really taking care 500 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: of you. Mmmmm, what a beautiful sentiment. I mean, it 501 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of gratitude. You're in aling, right, 502 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: So when you focus on the things that you are 503 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: grateful for, the things you're thankful for, it changes your perspective. 504 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: It does so interesting that you would say that, because 505 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: I am fascinated it by the effects of gratitude and 506 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: the medical studies that show difference in bio markers and 507 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: in measurements of health. There's a study and congestive heart failure, 508 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: for example, that shows improvements in people too, physical improvements 509 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: in people in their conjective part failure measurements when they 510 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: do simple gratitude exercises. So it's really incredible what tapping 511 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: into your purpose and your gratitude and you become self 512 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: aware and self serving in a good way that we 513 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: become healthier, happier and altogether better. Yes, yes, absolutely so, 514 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: dr Free to the name of your book is make 515 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: your mark. Why legacy still matters? And so I am 516 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: curious to know what do you hope your legacy will be? Well? 517 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: My father suggested in which is where the title of 518 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: the book from. One day I was in my own Maldown, Mold. 519 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: Nobody likes me, you know, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, And I 520 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: said they just didn't know me, basically, and my mother 521 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: is suggested that I didn't know myself and that I 522 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: needed an opportunity to think more about who I wanted 523 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: to be and how I want to show up. And 524 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: my father suggested that I think about that in terms 525 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: of my legacy, which would be measured by what I 526 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: left behind, who I brought behind, and what I demonstrated 527 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: I had learned along the way. And so that's what 528 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: I focused on. I just want to leave behind my 529 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: early days. I used to say, I just want to 530 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: save one person's life or change one person's life, and 531 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,479 Speaker 1: that's how I feel still every day, Can I just 532 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: touch one person? I hope that my legacy is that 533 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: I thought every day to help at least one person 534 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: in a day in some small way or some bigger 535 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: way if I could. And who I brought behind, you know, 536 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: I have to say my children and my grandchildren. If 537 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: I can just have children who have a commitment to 538 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: giving back and to doing right, and I feel that 539 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: I had hit that mark and then some um. I 540 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: had three amazing children and their significant others, and my 541 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: grandchildren the same. But I also hope to be able 542 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: to give that to people around me, something that I 543 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: know and some that I'll never know, by giving a 544 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: piece of advice, giving an encouraging word in some form 545 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: or fashion through some medium, and I've actually felt really 546 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: good about that. Who has met people who said they 547 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: read the book or they saw me see or saw 548 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: me somewhere in action doing something whatever it was, and 549 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: that I had somehow touch them one fired them. And 550 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: that means the absolute world to me. And we will 551 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: be here all day and four more days for the 552 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: things I've learned along the way, because I because I 553 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: had a lot to learn. So I feel really excited 554 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: to be on a road to leaving something behind, to 555 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 1: having pulled some people, you know, to list as I travel, 556 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: and hopefully I'll continue to learn. Absolutely I do believe that. Well, 557 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: thank you so much, Dr Freeda. I really appreciate you 558 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: sharing all this beautiful wisdom with us today. Oh no, 559 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: it is absolutely my pleasure. I'm so glad Dr Freeda 560 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: was able to share with us today, and I'm really 561 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 1: excited that I'll get to chat with her again at 562 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: the Women of Power Summit, where we'll be talking about 563 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: anxiety and imposter syndrome and black women. 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I'll be 573 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: back again next week with our regularly scheduled episode, but 574 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: until then, take care of yourself. H