WEBVTT - The Biden Administration’s First 100 Days Agenda

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<v Speaker 1>Whitehouse correspondent Josh wynd Grove. He's on the phone from Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d C. Because you know, Josh, we do need to

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<v Speaker 1>look forward a new era, as it is always with

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<v Speaker 1>a new president in Washington. But I do wonder about

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<v Speaker 1>the old division. How much of that sticks around? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this is the whole pillar of Biden's speech today.

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<v Speaker 1>If you notice that normally inaugural addresses cast forward a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit to what people want to do with the president. See,

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of ditched the whole policy side of it

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<v Speaker 1>and talked all about unity, the need to uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of tack down the temperature a little bit, saying

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<v Speaker 1>that politics doesn't always have to be a raging fire.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't name Trump specifically, but it was just a

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<v Speaker 1>clear repudiation of what he believes Trump's legacy to be. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Biden believes at least it is possible. He

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<v Speaker 1>did acknowledge that might sound a little naive. He tried

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<v Speaker 1>to point to Vice President Harris is evidence that, you

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<v Speaker 1>know anything, it's possible. Of course, historic moment for the

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<v Speaker 1>US to see her sworn in. Uh So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where where he's trying to go. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>Rubbert is gonna hit road real quick. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 1>have disputes in the Senate, they have disputes over how

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<v Speaker 1>quickly they can confirm their cabinet. And of course that

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<v Speaker 1>COVID bill is just going to be front and center.

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<v Speaker 1>Bi didn't want something yesterday basically, and it's not clear

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<v Speaker 1>what Republicans have an appetite for. Yeah, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just the COVID bill. I mean, millions of Americans woke

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<v Speaker 1>up earlier this morning, Josh, to to find that the

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<v Speaker 1>President Biden. That is, um would sign executive orders to

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<v Speaker 1>swiftly unwind Trump policies on immigration, on health. Um, take

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<v Speaker 1>us through the big ones here. Yeah, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to see I think some of these go forward. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the coming days will be imagine a

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<v Speaker 1>batch or at least they've signals that'll be a batch

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff every day. You know, these infecutive actions like

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<v Speaker 1>some of them. Some of the things you're doing today

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty standard. You're gonna rejoin the w h oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement. He's going

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<v Speaker 1>to issue a mask mandates so on interstate travel, in

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<v Speaker 1>other words, federal turf, you've got to wear a mask,

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<v Speaker 1>and in several buildings you got to wear a mask.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, executive orders Trump loved them. But the

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<v Speaker 1>real downside of them is that, you know, as easy

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<v Speaker 1>as they are for a president do flick of a pen,

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<v Speaker 1>they often don't have a lot of teeth behind them.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Congress really is the gatekeeper on a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things, in particular of course, stuff that requires money,

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<v Speaker 1>and vaccines require money, and testing requires money. So a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of his goals, pticularly early on, are really going

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<v Speaker 1>to be subject of seeing what gets done in Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>Jen Psaki, who is his White House Press secretary, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>as about two and a half hours ago, uh said

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<v Speaker 1>this morning on CNN, she was asked, listen, is it

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<v Speaker 1>fair to say that stopping the pandemic is his number

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<v Speaker 1>one concern? And she said, yes, that is their you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting. And for those who are watching on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>our YouTube channel, Uh, you know, the president Uh and

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<v Speaker 1>the vice president and former President Obama, George W. Bush

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<v Speaker 1>and Clinton, along with their spouses, they are at Arlington

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<v Speaker 1>National Cemetery at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier. They

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<v Speaker 1>will lay a wreath there. Uh. And that's the visual

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<v Speaker 1>that we've got at this hour. But I'm looking at,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, past administrations, and we had a financial crisis

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<v Speaker 1>that two of them had to deal with. UM, we

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<v Speaker 1>had healthcare overhaul. We've had some really big agendas. But

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<v Speaker 1>I look at the agenda, Josh, that is facing this

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<v Speaker 1>current president. It is, as you just laid out, a

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<v Speaker 1>massive one, a costly one. And even though he will

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<v Speaker 1>not be the Senate Majority leader, the new Senate Minority Leader,

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch McConnell will play a crucial role. Will he be

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<v Speaker 1>more collaborative. I'm collaborative is a strong word. He he.

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<v Speaker 1>He believes that there should be a power sharing type

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<v Speaker 1>of agreement, which has been done in the past when

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate has had a fifty fifty split. Now it's

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<v Speaker 1>been quite some time since that was the case. And

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<v Speaker 1>in the meantime, a lot of Democrats think that Mitch

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<v Speaker 1>McConnell played such hardball when he was a majority leader

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<v Speaker 1>that they believe he's almost forfeit the right to ask

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<v Speaker 1>them for a penny, let alone a buck, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that there will be a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>opposition to that. Now, this will be one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things I think we're Biden's belief that there could be

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<v Speaker 1>a bipartisan era still in Washington will will come to

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<v Speaker 1>the four If Biden sort of asks or gives his

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<v Speaker 1>blessing to Chuck Schumer to, you know, actually try and

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<v Speaker 1>cooperate with McConnell, that might that then that might be

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<v Speaker 1>where they go. But there will be pressure, certainly in

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Party to just abs really go hard to

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<v Speaker 1>the wall and keep box McConnell out of anything, so

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<v Speaker 1>that that's that's a there's a rub right now on

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<v Speaker 1>that one. Look, all of this Josh is happening as

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<v Speaker 1>as Trump, who's no longer president, is facing trial in

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate for for impeachment. UM explain the backdrop here

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<v Speaker 1>how Democrats can push forward this message of unity well

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<v Speaker 1>also at the same time trying the next president. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, first of all, it's very unclear how this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to proceed. Nancy Pelosi is saying should hand

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<v Speaker 1>over the article soon, it's not clear that she's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to sit on them for a while, which could

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<v Speaker 1>so drag things out. And it's very unclear that there

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<v Speaker 1>would be enough votes to convict the president. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the team is pretty clear that there are not enough

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<v Speaker 1>votes to convict the president. And the longer he's out

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<v Speaker 1>of office, you have to think the longer the temperature

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<v Speaker 1>comes down. Well, look, even with what McConnell said yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>he said that the mob attack on the Capitol was

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<v Speaker 1>quote provoked, and he'd be kind of condemned it in

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<v Speaker 1>the most no uncertain terms he did, But I I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose that depends who shows up. But I have

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time thinking that two thirds of people president,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, up to seventeen Republicans would vote to

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<v Speaker 1>commit a Rod to convict the president on his impeachment charge.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been wrong before. It's still Donald Trump's Washington

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways, so anything is possible. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>right now Biden is made clear that his number one

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<v Speaker 1>priority is not an impeachment of Donald Trump. It's this

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<v Speaker 1>COVID package. And remember, the numbers just are alarming. Across

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<v Speaker 1>the board. The vaccine role has been sluggish, and Biden

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<v Speaker 1>has been saying, we are in for a long winter

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to get worse before it gets better. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's not forget. You know, we're focusing on politics, and

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<v Speaker 1>we've focused on politics a lot over the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks, understandably. But at the same time, those virus numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>as Josh said, um continue to astound, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we go through them, and we took through them every

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<v Speaker 1>day here at Bloomberg. But it is certainly worsome and

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<v Speaker 1>that will be obviously top of his mind, top of

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<v Speaker 1>his gender. Uh. The new incoming president, and it does

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<v Speaker 1>look like for those listening on radio, watching on our

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel, the president, the new president, Biden, the Vice President,

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris, Uh, they and their spouses I believe are

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<v Speaker 1>headed towards the tomb of the unknown Soldier to lay

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<v Speaker 1>a wreath there, and they're there along with the past presidents.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Messer and Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>Quick Takes. Tim Stinovic from Bloomberg Radio. Let's not forget

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<v Speaker 1>that the big problem facing this country right now is

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<v Speaker 1>getting the pandemic under control. If you're out there in

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<v Speaker 1>the West Coast, if you're out there in the l

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<v Speaker 1>A area specifically, you know you're seeing this firsthand. They're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing the crisis at its peak like we saw last

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<v Speaker 1>spring here in New York City, and you know this

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<v Speaker 1>is crucial to getting this under control. We've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the problems with rolling out the vaccines, uh and as

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<v Speaker 1>we've opened up kind of this pigot when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to who can get it. Now we're seeing supply constraints

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<v Speaker 1>or logistical constraints, and this will be top of mind

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<v Speaker 1>and something that the President and his team will have

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with because this is necessary and crucial in

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<v Speaker 1>order for us to reopen our economy. We got glimmers

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<v Speaker 1>of it over last summer, right when it eased back

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<v Speaker 1>here and we started to see life come back a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, but then of course fall hit and the

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<v Speaker 1>cold weather hit, and we just it wasn't eradicated. So

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<v Speaker 1>we know we need um, really the mass mass amount

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<v Speaker 1>of the population to get the vaccine in order for

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<v Speaker 1>us to hit her immunity. And Biden has ambitious goals

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred million in the first day of a million

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<v Speaker 1>a day. Yeah, so listen, this, uh, following, all of

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<v Speaker 1>this will go to our team in d C. And

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<v Speaker 1>that incrudes are Amanda Coulson Hurley. She's politics editor at

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg business Week. She and her team at the magazine

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<v Speaker 1>will be tracking uh, this new president and his initiatives

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<v Speaker 1>and his agenda. She joins us, by the way, on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone from Washington, d C. Joe Webber is also

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<v Speaker 1>with us, editor of Bloomberg business Week, on the remote

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<v Speaker 1>access from Brooklyn. As we said, and as we said

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<v Speaker 1>four years ago, Joel, it's a new political era. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a new individual at the White House, and that means

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<v Speaker 1>a new agenda, a new agenda, that's right, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it all kind of gets started now. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that when we're wrestling with in this issue

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<v Speaker 1>of the magazine is which is our annual the year

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<v Speaker 1>ahead issue is obviously all of the big themes that

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<v Speaker 1>we can expect to be talking about, and and Biden

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<v Speaker 1>and the US government is going to be first and

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<v Speaker 1>foremost on our minds. UM. And that obviously brings us

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<v Speaker 1>to Amanda, who there's a forthcoming story that I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was really well done about UM what we can expect

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<v Speaker 1>from from Biden at the outset here? UM, So a

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<v Speaker 1>little sneak peek from this forthcoming issue, UM, what are

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<v Speaker 1>what are the advantages that Biden inherents and what are

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<v Speaker 1>some of the limitations that that we expect him to

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<v Speaker 1>encounter UM as he attempts, UM to to govern here. Amanda, Yeah, well, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I think uh Biden is very fortunate in having a

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<v Speaker 1>democratic price ector, right. So, and that is something of

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise, I think UM. Before the Georgia runoffs on

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<v Speaker 1>January five, it was sort of expected that the Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>would hold on to the Senate UM, and that there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he would be kind of limited in what

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<v Speaker 1>he could do. But with UM, with the surprise, somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>surprise wins of the Democratic candidates in those runoffs, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>the split in the Senate is now sixty fifty with

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris being the tiebreaker, which means that, um that

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<v Speaker 1>there's more that Biden can do now. Um. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's already said that he uh, you know, unveiled this

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<v Speaker 1>one point nine trillion dollar next round of stimulus that

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<v Speaker 1>he's saying is that's a kind of immediate relief plan,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he wants to do some thing kind of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even bigger, well not necessarily with a higher

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<v Speaker 1>dollar amount to it, but you know, a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>maybe kind of longer term, deeper type of stimulus afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>So um. Uh, you know, he has some wind in

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<v Speaker 1>his sales now. But of course he's walking into this job,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with a pandemic having fiercely uh come back

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, um, worse than ever. We just hit

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, four hundred thousand deaths, a terrible milestone. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the economy is still really faltering. So um.

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<v Speaker 1>He certainly has a very tough past for him. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The president also is eager to attack climate change. This

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<v Speaker 1>is something that he's made clear during the transition with

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<v Speaker 1>the appointment of John Kerry as his climates are and

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<v Speaker 1>we're seeing on our live blog right now a tweet

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<v Speaker 1>from Gary Cohne, the former Goldman Sachs CEO former Trump advisor, saying, quote, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the Paris Agreement may be far from perfect, it is

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<v Speaker 1>the best available option to tackle one of the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>issues of our time. I'm happy to see the US

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<v Speaker 1>re entering this agreement and asserting global leadership when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to climate change and the environment. How are you

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about it at Business Week and covering Biden's agenda

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<v Speaker 1>and making sure that the US is at the forefront

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<v Speaker 1>of this. That's a great question, and I um, Joel

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<v Speaker 1>might have some other thoughts on it, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>what's really interesting is UM, probably the way we cover

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<v Speaker 1>it will reflect how I think maybe Biden and the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats will try to get uh, you know, major climate

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<v Speaker 1>legislation through, which is probably packaging it as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some measures as a kind of infrastructural improvement UM and

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, research and development advances UM and the

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<v Speaker 1>green jobs you know. UM. Biden's big climate plan I

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<v Speaker 1>think he called it, Build Back Better is not the

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<v Speaker 1>Green New Deal, but it has kind of some of

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<v Speaker 1>those echoes of of looking at at climate action and

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<v Speaker 1>at the goals of it as not not just being

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<v Speaker 1>you know, reducing emissions at these kind of other benefits

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<v Speaker 1>and at a sort of retooling the economy, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I expect that he's going to be hitting those

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<v Speaker 1>notes that he tries to achieve his climate goals and

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<v Speaker 1>will be assessing, you know, what those costs and benefits

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<v Speaker 1>you know, really are to the best of our ability,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean there's a couple other bullet points

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<v Speaker 1>from the issue that I thought were just a great

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<v Speaker 1>little cheat sheet, and just to kind of run through them,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the ones that were the most interested

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<v Speaker 1>in for the magazine that UM will continue to hit

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<v Speaker 1>in the days, weeks, months, years ahead. UM integration, taxes, healthcare,

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<v Speaker 1>judicial appointments, and political investigations. UM. I want to actually

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<v Speaker 1>just go to healthcare first because this was something that UM,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he Biden was involved in in the Obama legacy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm interested in sort of how what we can

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<v Speaker 1>expect on the healthcare front we think in in these

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<v Speaker 1>next few months. And then also let's let's take the

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<v Speaker 1>judicial appointments. Oh right, yeah, I mean judicial appointment UM

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be an interesting one to watch, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>as we note in the in the magazine, Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Biden's has will be a lot smoother now, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with the Senate under Democratic control. Um. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if one of the Supreme Court justices were to retire,

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<v Speaker 1>there's already you know at or about maybe Stephen Brier

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<v Speaker 1>stepping down. Um, there will not be a situation, you

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<v Speaker 1>know where there will be a vacant seat for months

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<v Speaker 1>and months. Uh, you know, as there was when President

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<v Speaker 1>Obama nominated A. Marrek's Garland. Um. So uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to make Biden's life a lot easier going ahead. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And one thing, you know, I do wonder curious. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>curious to Amanda about Listen, President Trump expect we're expecting

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<v Speaker 1>him to be part of the political scene going forward.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you think about he's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be president, but how do you think about some of

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<v Speaker 1>the coverage that might be something you need to think

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<v Speaker 1>about include going forward, or how do you think about

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<v Speaker 1>it at least at this point? Yeah, Well, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>definitely he's not president anymore, and you know, the bar

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<v Speaker 1>for what, uh you know what in the Trump universe

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<v Speaker 1>gets covered, I think becomes that much that much higher. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But um, you know, he I think it is very

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<v Speaker 1>interesting that he's he's going back to Florida and uh

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<v Speaker 1>reportedly a number of members of his family are also

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<v Speaker 1>looking to you know, locate to Florida, looking for property there. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He is reportedly thinking about building his presidential library and

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<v Speaker 1>museum in Florida. Um. And there's also um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think some conservative media outlets that are Florida base

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<v Speaker 1>that he if he wanted to have uh more of

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<v Speaker 1>a media presence and megaphone, Um, he could get it there,

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<v Speaker 1>even you know, even though he's been thrown off of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of social media now. But um, so I

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<v Speaker 1>think it'll be interesting to kind of watch that potentially

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of Trump world take route in this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of other political establishment of Florida. Um. But well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly be covering. Uh you know, there's still an impeachment

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<v Speaker 1>all to come, and I think, uh, the impeachment trial,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's after Amath might answer. I think, what what

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<v Speaker 1>is a very big question, which is uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the days after January six, this seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>a huge stain on his presidency and on his allies potentially,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe you know, it's not going to last forever.

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<v Speaker 1>And how bad is that going to look long term

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<v Speaker 1>bottom line, You guys are going to be busy, no doubt. Amanda,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much, really appreciate it. I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>been a busy day for you guys. Amanda Colson Hurley,

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<v Speaker 1>politics Editor Bloomberg Business Week from the nation's capital. Jill Webber,

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<v Speaker 1>Editor at Bloomberg Business Week on the remote acts as

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<v Speaker 1>you can check out more about the year ahead. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you name it. When it comes to business, politics, economics,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all in this upcoming issue. This is Bloomberg Business

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<v Speaker 1>Week with Carol Masser and Bloomberg Quick Takes Tim Stinovik

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<v Speaker 1>on Bloomberg Radio. So, Tim, I think it's safe to

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<v Speaker 1>say that we've got two top stories today. Obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>swearing in of a new president into the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>We've covered that. The other the biggest problem that faces

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden administration from day one, and that is the

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<v Speaker 1>health pandemic. Yeah it is um Look, four thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>have died in the United States as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic. As you and I mentioned, the economic recovery

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<v Speaker 1>inextricably linked to the successful rollout of the vaccines. Carol,

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<v Speaker 1>is such a shame that the vaccines were developed at

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<v Speaker 1>record pace, but the rollout has been so bumpy and

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<v Speaker 1>we can only hope that it gets smoother. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a day where we had a story. You and

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<v Speaker 1>I both saw it. New York City rescheduling twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>thousand vaccine appointments due to shortages, that supply shortage. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get to someone who's been a go to voice for

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<v Speaker 1>us often. He oversees the largest healthcare provider and private

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<v Speaker 1>employer in New York State back with us as Michael Dowling,

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<v Speaker 1>President CEO at Northwill Health. He's also author of the

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<v Speaker 1>book Leading Through a Pandemic, The Inside story of Humanity,

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<v Speaker 1>Innovation and lessons learned during the COVID nineteen talk about

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<v Speaker 1>creating the playbook. As we go, he joins us on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone once again from New Hyde Park, New York. Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>nice to have you back. How are you and how's

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<v Speaker 1>your team doing? Thank you so much. I'm devided to

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<v Speaker 1>be with you. We're doing well and the team is

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<v Speaker 1>doing well. And I've been at this, you know, COVID

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<v Speaker 1>edition now for a long long time. But health care

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<v Speaker 1>workers are very resilient and we're doing well and positive

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<v Speaker 1>morale and obviously looking forward to being able to vaccinate

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<v Speaker 1>as many as people as we possibly can now. But

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<v Speaker 1>are you seeing shortages when it comes to access to vaccines? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we have we have the infrastructure is in place,

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<v Speaker 1>which takes a couple of weeks to set up. We

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<v Speaker 1>have multiple sites available to do vaccinations, but we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have enough supply. And hopefully if we get the supply,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm hoping now with no leadership in Washington, that

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<v Speaker 1>there will be a change there. But we can vaccinate

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more each day if we know that we

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<v Speaker 1>have the supply and we know when it's coming. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the only restriction at the moment, I mean more.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the other stopped up problems that maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>may have had a month ago, three weeks ago have

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<v Speaker 1>been resolved and today it's a matter of getting enough vaccines. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of that, we learned earlier today the New York

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<v Speaker 1>City has had to reschedule twenty three vaccine appointments due

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<v Speaker 1>to a shortage. Um, what happens if somebody gets their

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<v Speaker 1>second dose late? Well, you do have UM, I do

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<v Speaker 1>have a couple of days of leeway here, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>we should be doing everything possible to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>the people get the second doors around the tent that

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<v Speaker 1>they're supposed to get it. So what I'm doing here

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<v Speaker 1>and not well is that I am reserving doses for

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<v Speaker 1>the second I'm reserving vaccines so I can guarantee the

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<v Speaker 1>people that if they get the first doors, I will

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<v Speaker 1>have the vaccine in place to give them the second doors. Um. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's the way I believe they should be done,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can guarantee when people come in that will

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<v Speaker 1>be enough available for them to get the second doors. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I believe that it's the right way to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. It's I believe the science supports it doing

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<v Speaker 1>this way. And Uh, if you don't get the second

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<v Speaker 1>doors at all, I don't. I don't know you have

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<v Speaker 1>some immunity, but we don't know how long it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to last, and we don't know how effective it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be. I don't think it's a transport taking Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm gonna go Tom Keene on everybody for

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<v Speaker 1>a moment. Uh, Tom Keen or we love Tom Keene

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<v Speaker 1>of Blueberg Surveillance. Um, you run a massive hospital system,

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare system. You can pick up the phone and call

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<v Speaker 1>a CEO of Fightser or you know Maderna and say,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the problem. What is the hold up in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of getting more manufacturing of vaccines? Is that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the factories? Is it that we don't have the bottles?

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<v Speaker 1>Do we not have the needles? What is it? And

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<v Speaker 1>what do you hear? I well, I hear that the

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<v Speaker 1>production process is being accelerated, and we hear that there

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<v Speaker 1>will be many more vaccines made available now in the

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<v Speaker 1>next couple of weeks and hopefully even sooner than that.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not spoken to any of the farmer companies

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<v Speaker 1>directly and or personally. I believe that this point that's

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<v Speaker 1>what the Sell government was doing and working with him

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<v Speaker 1>closely hopefully. UM So, I don't know the exact reason

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<v Speaker 1>why it has been a little bit so off at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. But remember also if you go back, it's

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<v Speaker 1>only like, you know, six weeks ago, five six weeks

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<v Speaker 1>ago since the vaccine was made made available at the

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<v Speaker 1>first the first time. So people have to be a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit patient. I mean people that want instant gratification

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<v Speaker 1>something just happens today and they want the world to

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<v Speaker 1>be fixed tomorrow. It takes a little bit of time

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping with new leadership in Washington that it will

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<v Speaker 1>everything will be accelerated, and I hopefully we will have

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<v Speaker 1>no vaccines by Johnson and Johnson maybe in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>and who knows what astra zeneca and so I do

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<v Speaker 1>think time will take care of the problem. The trouble

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<v Speaker 1>is everybody is getting a patient and I understand this.

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<v Speaker 1>We want this over with as quickly as we possibly can.

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<v Speaker 1>We already once the vaccines arrive. To be fair though, um,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Michael, is that we knew this vaccine was coming

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. I mean, these were conversations I

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<v Speaker 1>think we had with you months ago as well. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not not pointing the finger at you, but I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I think the system overall, the government overall knew

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<v Speaker 1>that logistics and distribution we're going to be a big

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<v Speaker 1>part of this, and I just wonder what happened. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it wasn't thought through as well as

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<v Speaker 1>it should have been. It was excessively micro managed. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you had you know, groups one groups won B one

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<v Speaker 1>A plus and excessively Michael managed. I have felt from

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<v Speaker 1>the very beginning where you have very large systems, systems

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<v Speaker 1>like ours and you just give us the vaccines, you

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<v Speaker 1>give us general guidelines, and then you get out of

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<v Speaker 1>the way. But it was a little bit overly bureaucraticized. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And hopefully we're learning from that. UM. But we are

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<v Speaker 1>where we are at the moment. You know, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>go back and don't do what happened a month ago,

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<v Speaker 1>up three months ago. We are where we are. We

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<v Speaker 1>are ready to go. We are vaccinating. UM. I've vaccinated

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<v Speaker 1>about forty three thousand employees and about twenty thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>in the community, and we're now doing second doses. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've opened up about twenty five vaccination sites, but I

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<v Speaker 1>had to close five of them a week ago because

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have enough vaccines. UM. That's the problem now, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm i'm I'm I'm optimistic that this will be

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<v Speaker 1>taken care of in the relatively near future. When do

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like we start to feel more normal as

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<v Speaker 1>a society where things are opening up and maybe we're

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<v Speaker 1>still wearing masks, but there's a sense of security that

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<v Speaker 1>we will have when we go out and do things

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<v Speaker 1>with other people and maybe larger groups that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>currently have right now. Well, I think that we I

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully we will see an opening and breaking of the

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<v Speaker 1>crisis in the next three months or so. I would

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<v Speaker 1>hope that by the end of the spring that we

0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:17.960
<v Speaker 1>would be able to get out and about a bit more.

0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully the restaurants will be opening, and I hope that

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:24.919
<v Speaker 1>would happen sooner. So I think we're going through this

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:28.199
<v Speaker 1>until the end of the spring. But let's be we

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>have to be careful though. I think we have to

0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:34.639
<v Speaker 1>be continuously cautious and that and especially now when the

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>vaccine is being distributed, that people still wear masks for

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the extent that they can, that they're still social distance,

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 1>that we don't do stupid things. We don't get together

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.119
<v Speaker 1>in large groups where it is very obvious if you

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.439
<v Speaker 1>don't do the right things, you have to have the

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:54.919
<v Speaker 1>possibility transmissing transmissing the virus. So I think we have

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:57.680
<v Speaker 1>to be careful. I don't think we will be back

0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 1>to a normal um and it'll be a new kind

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<v Speaker 1>of normal. I think might until the early fall. And

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>I think we can handle this. I mean, we have

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 1>to be optimistic and positive about this. It's it's a

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 1>bit of a disruption, but we can handle this. And

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:14.400
<v Speaker 1>therefore we have to look at it with a positive attitude.

0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 1>I like your I like your attitude. I think it's

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 1>it's been really a challenge for me in January. I

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:20.880
<v Speaker 1>think a big part of it is, you know, being

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:23.880
<v Speaker 1>away from my family for the holidays, UM, the disruptions,

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and also of course just the staggering numbers of deaths

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:28.520
<v Speaker 1>that we've seen in the United States. I mean, it's

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:30.879
<v Speaker 1>absolutely heartbreaking for for so many people out there. And

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I think every American has been affected by this. It's

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>just no way they haven't. I've been talking a lot

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:38.200
<v Speaker 1>with my um, with my wife about this, UM, what

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:43.679
<v Speaker 1>this looks like on the other side, Michael. She was saying, Hey,

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I think we're gonna be wearing masks for a very

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:48.960
<v Speaker 1>long time. Like we're going to be the generation that

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.440
<v Speaker 1>wears masks, and our kids might think it's weird, Um,

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.639
<v Speaker 1>but but that's us. I mean, is that what you

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.240
<v Speaker 1>see is that the new normal? Oh? I think that

0:26:56.320 --> 0:27:01.159
<v Speaker 1>when masks are not that difficult to wear, I mean

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 1>use to it. I mean it's not that I'm not complaining.

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm just wondering, Like when we talked about the other

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 1>side of this, are we going to go back to

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:11.639
<v Speaker 1>being able to like not wear masks around the office.

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Um well, I think, for example, we had very little

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:19.479
<v Speaker 1>flu season this year. Um let's kids getting sick from

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.200
<v Speaker 1>so so I think in the future, it's some COVID

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:27.160
<v Speaker 1>disappears this year and next year and the flu season arrives,

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.240
<v Speaker 1>I think you will see more and more and more

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 1>people wearing masks that they will say, you know, this

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>is a very good preventive way to prevent normal you know,

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.639
<v Speaker 1>the regular things from happening to a regular flu season.

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>So I think that masks will be with us for

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:45.719
<v Speaker 1>a long time. Uh you know that some some groups

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>of people, I mean I have been wearing If you've

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:50.399
<v Speaker 1>been in the city two or three years ago, you

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>saw something people from the far East wearing masks walking

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 1>around the city. And if you're traveling around the world,

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 1>you'd see it too around the world. Yes, So I

0:27:57.680 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 1>think it's going to be a part of our arsenal

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>pop of our com film going forward. Not necessary all

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>the time, but when we believe it isn't necessary, I

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 1>think it will be with us. And uh, well, it

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>with protecting each other, with protecting our friends on neighbors

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 1>and put them people from getting sick. So what's the

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.159
<v Speaker 1>big deal? We will get used to it, like we

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:19.960
<v Speaker 1>get used a lot of other things. Listen, if we

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:22.200
<v Speaker 1>can carry our phones around with us all the time,

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:23.920
<v Speaker 1>can't we just kind of add on a mask and

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 1>just make it kind of the norm. No, I'm serious, right,

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I thought that there would have been, you know,

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>years ago. You can probably be innovative and to put

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 1>a phone inside the mask. I was actually just thinking,

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 1>great thing, Um, what's the thing though that worries just

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 1>class question? Michael, Um. I love your optimism too, and

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 1>I love your realism. Um, what's the one thing though

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 1>that worries you? Just a little bit here and just

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:52.719
<v Speaker 1>got about a minute left. I think that you know,

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>today with the new new change in Washington, you know,

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 1>a dark cloud has been lifted, and I think we

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 1>can see us a little bit of sunshine. We can

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:04.600
<v Speaker 1>see hope and decency, hopefully and a sense of optimism

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 1>about the United States is a great place. New York

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 1>is a fabulous city. New York is going to come back.

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 1>We we've gone through a rough period. Uh, And I

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 1>just think that we should look forward with a great

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 1>sense of positivity and optimism, unify it, thrust one another,

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:27.719
<v Speaker 1>um uh, you know so so so so oxygen on

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>that which is good, not on that which is which

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 1>is not not so good. Be positive and build a

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>sense of community. The one thing COVID has demonstrated is

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>that we're all interdependent. What happens in one part of

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 1>the community effects every other part. We've all been affected

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 1>by this. We have to bring back that positive sense

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>of community. We're united, we're Americans, were proud, We're positive,

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:56.920
<v Speaker 1>and there is nothing that we can can cannot achieve

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>here here Okay, well, little music to take you out there.

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 1>There's gremlins, I think everywhere. Um, Michael, what a nice

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 1>way to wrap it up there. Michael Dowling, President and

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>CEO at Northwell Health. He's also got a book out

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Leading Through a Pandemic, and I highly recommend that people

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 1>check it out. Bro Machael Journal. Yeah, but you let

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:27.840
<v Speaker 1>me drive? No, No, who's going to dr home? Please?

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>I'll do the vel me. I want to drive, Just

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>drive baby. The question drying. This is the drive to

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 1>the Globe Commune. Thanks, we'll drive us to dawn. On

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Radio, all right, it is time for the drive

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>to the clothes. But driving to the White House and

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 1>actually not driving anymore to the White House is President

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>by and the new First Lady. They are actually walking

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>up to the White House the last I would say

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>block or two or so a couple of blocks. They

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>got out of the motorcade. They were going from Arlington

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Cemetery on their way back to the White House in

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>a motorcade along with the Vice President. They got out

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 1>and walked and we're actually greeting members of the press

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 1>and other individuals on the side of the road. This

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 1>is much more reminiscent of what you have seen in inauguration.

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 1>I was just going to say that, Carol, there's some

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 1>sort of semblance of normalcy here. You know, masks certainly

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 1>excluded from that, but you know, the idea that everybody

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>is in masks makes you realize that this is one

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>and that we're in the midst of a pandemic right now.

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there's a sort of sense of normalcy to

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 1>this inauguration, even though it was far from normal and

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 1>reacting with people who you know, the voting public. And

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>what's interesting is we are now uh seeing the President

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 1>and the First Lady there at the White House. You

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>can watch this on our YouTube channel as we speak

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>to search on Blueberg Global News. You can also if

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 1>you're on the Bloomberg go to Live go and watch

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>this coverage as well. But again, walking up to the

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 1>White House. Uh, the new president and the new first Lady.

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 1>All right, we'll continue to monitor the comings and goings

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 1>of the new president. Right now, though, we do want

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>to get to our market guest, Ryan Jacob is back

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>with us. Chairman, chief investment officer, and portfolio manager Jacob

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Asset Management, a top performer, UH, the Internet Fund, the

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Jacob Internet Fund beating just about all of its peers

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>over the past five years in the ninety one percentile

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>according to our data, returning thirty s on average annually. Ryan,

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 1>good to have you here with us. Ryan's on the

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>phone in California. New administration, potentially new era, maybe new regulations.

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 1>How does it factor in, if at all, in terms

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 1>of how you think about the stocks that you are

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>investing in and including in your funds. Well, the administration

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 1>change is obviously a big deal on the relationship among

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>the larger technology companies has been pretty terrible recently, so

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't imagine it will get worse. How much better

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>it gets, it's hard to know, there are a lot

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 1>of other democratic priorities that could become issues here. Um,

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 1>But for the for the most part, I would say

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 1>conditions will probably improve. Conditions will improve between let me

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 1>make sure of this right with between the administration and

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 1>the tech companies. I believe so. I think it will

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 1>be a little less yeah, in some ways in terms

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 1>of the administration change in the White House. It'll probably

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 1>be a bit less combative. That's interesting because there is

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, there does seem to be some bipartisan agreement,

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>rare bipartisan agreement to I don't want to say rain

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>in big tech, but you know, there are monopoly concerns

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to some of large tech companies, and

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 1>then on the Republican side, their concerns about free speech

0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 1>and Section to thirty. I'm you know, not going to

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 1>get into those now, but it does seem like the

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>tech companies are in the crosshairs of Democrats and Republicans.

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>But um, you don't think there's too much to fear.

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I think the free speech Section to thirty issues were

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 1>more existential threat for the larger tech companies. I think

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:05.719
<v Speaker 1>that the antitrust issues are more what we're used to

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 1>in terms of scrutiny and UM, it's not going away

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:13.319
<v Speaker 1>for sure, but it'll probably be more manageable. Unfortunately, it

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:16.239
<v Speaker 1>is going to be something that's going to uh, you know,

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:18.359
<v Speaker 1>be there for the next few years. That that's going

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.439
<v Speaker 1>to create a lot of headlines. I think in terms

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>of actual actions will be prelimited. And we do want

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>to point out President Biden and the First Lady and

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>his family. They are at the White House, uh, and

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 1>they're entering into the building. Hey, so Ryan, UM, transformative technologies.

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, you look at the tech sector, you're you've

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 1>done really well. UM. Let's talk about names that you like.

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Tuilio is one of those. It's an infrastructure software company.

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 1>It's already up about fourteen percent this year. It gained

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 1>two last year. UM. What is it that you like

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 1>about this company specifically? Well, Tulio is really enabled communication.

0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 1>The evolution of communication of businesses through the pandemic, companies

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 1>that were um uh offline companies had to learn to

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>get online quickly. So whether it's through delivery or notifications,

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Julio provides a kind of that utility like aspect to

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 1>electronic communications between the business and their customers. A lot

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:20.840
<v Speaker 1>of businesses have been considering adding these features. Um, you know,

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Covid really pushed it forward and made it necessity and

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:26.360
<v Speaker 1>these are these are features that won't go away. So

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Julia has been a huge beneficiary of this and we

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 1>think that that will just continue. We're gonna be talking

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 1>to co founder and CEO Jeff Lawson tomorrow. UM, what

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:40.399
<v Speaker 1>would you ask him? Well, I guess, I guess broadly speaking, um,

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 1>as we're communicating in different ways, whether it's device and

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>device or on social media platforms. Um, you know how

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>how they basically helped their customers integrate, So they're touching

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 1>their customers at all these different points and enabling two

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 1>way communication that quite frankly, is probably one of the

0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 1>biggest hot button issues for company in terms of the

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 1>able to communicate in knowing their customers. So it's it's

0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:05.799
<v Speaker 1>really increasing the breath rather than being just text back

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 1>and forth or your upers in the corner. It's more

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 1>a broader picture of how this communication can go back

0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 1>and forth. Right. I also know thanks to our producers

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>that you are you describe some of the run up

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 1>that we've seen in companies like Zoom, Peloton, Shopify, Tesla,

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the so called COVID names um, extreme euphorias, how you

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:30.359
<v Speaker 1>describe it, and you say they're highly inflated. Um, big

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 1>question is is are they due for a pullback? Well,

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.399
<v Speaker 1>truly as an example of a company where things were

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.239
<v Speaker 1>accelerated and there's a real use you know, a real

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 1>use impact there. UM. With these other companies, they saw

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>an enormous uptake of their services because of stay at

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:49.799
<v Speaker 1>home waters and work from home, etcetera. So UM, and

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 1>their valuations have really just exploded. And so the question

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 1>for these companies are is there some sort of artificial

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 1>um artists official effect and the results that will be

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 1>difficult to replicate this year as we get out of COVID.

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:10.120
<v Speaker 1>And because the valuations are really really reflecting their business

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 1>progression in two thousand twenty doesn't reflect twenty two, that's

0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 1>a big question. Well, it's interesting. Tesla is not just

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 1>the like I can get it, get what you mean

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.839
<v Speaker 1>in terms of Zoom and Peloton and even shopify Tesla though,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just saying that because they were just doing so

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<v Speaker 1>well this year, this wasn't necessarily a pandemic story. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're questioning whether or not that growth continues this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla is a whole different conversation. There's no doubt, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt, and it's there's a whole host of other

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<v Speaker 1>different issues there and they really are you know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting into the conversation. Is at a car company? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it a technology company? Um? There's a lot of debate

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth. We don't own Tesla, Um, why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you own it? You just well, just quickly, the valuation

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<v Speaker 1>is you have to assume that Tesla will be the

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<v Speaker 1>unimpeatd ned leader of the electric car industry over the

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<v Speaker 1>next few decades. And that's not something we'd be comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, right, especially when there's more and more

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<v Speaker 1>competition destroying the Bloomberg about kind of everybody, whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>v VW, whether it's BMW, they're all kind of gutting. Yeah, right, exactly,

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