WEBVTT - ATS REPLAY: Dirk Nowitzki | ALL THE SMOKE 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.560 This is Matt Barnes. You're listening to All the Smoke 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:04.640 before you dive in. If you want to listen to 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:08.560 uninterrupted episodes, you can unlock ad free listening right now 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.559 with the subscription of Black Effects Plus. Just click to 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:13.360 subscribe at the top of the All the Smoke Show 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:17.279 page on Apple Podcasts. Welcome back, All the Smoke Man, 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:20.720 coming to you from Dallas. Set the tone with the 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.880 boss man, mister Mark Cuban, And now we got one 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:24.880 of the greatest to ever do it. 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:25.200 Jack. 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:25.599 Yeah. 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.560 He shot a lot of jumpers in face, both of them. Yeah, 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:29.440 we got one time. 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:29.920 We got him. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:31.360 Know, we're going to talk about that a little later. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.480 But man, this is long overdue. I mean, your accolades 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.080 twenty one years, over, thirty thousand points, drank six All time, 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:44.680 fourteen All Stars, seven MVP Finals MVP, and eleven newest 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.559 member to the Hall of Fame. Congratulations for that. That's 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.159 a great class. We'll get to that a little bit. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:54.640 Anything funny happened in that during that Hall of Fame weekend, 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:56.880 I mean it. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.440 Was just unbelievable experience. Honestly, my family came, I had 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.000 like one hundred and fifty people from all over the 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:06.000 world flying in some ex teammates, so nothing really funny. 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:07.680 You know, me and me and d Wade had a 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.320 little history, so we actually we bonded a little bit. 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:15.479 That weekend we filmed the podcast for his new new thing, 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.679 and so we actually got into some of the stuff 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.280 really happened in six and eleven and the fake coffin 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:25.000 they were doing, and so that was probably, uh, that 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.279 was probably the moment I would say, I didn't expect 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.640 that at all. Everything else was amazing, and uh and 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:33.560 and and just enjoyed every moment. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.680 Well, you definitely deserved the man hell of a career, 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:36.320 hell of a run. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:37.000 I appreciate it. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:41.119 Germany recently took gold in the Feeble World Cup. If 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.319 someone told you back in the nineties that this is 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.040 what would be been going on, would you ever would 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:45.600 have believed it? 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:50.480 No, no chance. Incredible. I mean basketball's has grown, not 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.720 only obviously in Germany, but all over the world. You 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.720 know of players, international players from all over the world, 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:02.000 representing you know, MVP type COUNTI players, franchise players. So 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.160 it's been fun to watch where the game has gone. 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.360 When I first got there in their nineties, you know, 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.520 you had a few euros running around, but now every 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.480 team has has a couple and it's been, it's been, 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.160 it's been a pleasure to watch. And you know, Germany 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.560 now is just win a Shuder leading the team. But 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.600 they were super solid. They had some shooters at some 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.280 some some defenders, so I think they they looked incredible 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:25.480 at it. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:25.760 Then. 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.360 Yeah, but they're building organizations around European players now, so 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.280 that's that's the testament to how they are developing now. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.560 Yeah, definitely, I mean to speak of it. I mean, 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.919 the last five MVPs have all been international player, the Gianni, 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.519 Joic and obviously MB before that, they're only three yourself, 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.960 Steve and Hakem. What do you think has really kind 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.040 of opened up the floodgates to make this NBA more 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:50.840 of a global game. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.760 Well, the game has grown, I think that's one thing, 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.960 but make the game more accessible outside the US. And 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:01.080 then you know, the coach has gotten better and uh, 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.920 I guess uh yeah, and and the you know, the 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.000 NBA has changed, and I think it's when I first 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.080 got leg it was so physical, and you know, the 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.160 fours and fives were all the rebounders. And then once 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.600 the NBA changed rules a little bit. You know, you 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.680 guys were there. They you know, they put in the zone, 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.679 they got rid of the hand check in made it 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.680 a little softer, so to speak. And that's playing right 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.360 in the in the Euros, in the European game and 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.799 in the national game. We grew up playing outside, swing 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.760 the ball, five and five pick and roll game. You know, 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:36.000 when I first got here, all plays I just got 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.600 called up and then it was ISO. It's just cleared 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.600 the side, you know, and and some some of that 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:43.640 with the zone, and you can there's other things you 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.800 can do now that that sort of got away from that, 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.560 and it forced teams to move the ball a little more, 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:53.080 play a little more team game, and that played right 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.600 in our hands. And so that's that's I guess what 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.160 you've been seeing that the game is growing and yeah, 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.480 and the game has has played similar the way it 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:01.120 is in Europe. 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.720 Yeah, let's jump back to nineteen ninety eight Hoops Summit, 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.160 where you became on you know, a lot of American 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.200 people's first kind of real glimpse at you. We thought 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:12.720 we put a hell of a team out there. One 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:14.640 of our buddies, Ray Young, who works with us isn't 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.400 here today but him, Eric Barkley, Harrington, Richard Lewis, Quinn, Richison, 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.960 Jeron Rush, one of the best players never to make it, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:25.680 Stromole Swift, You busted all their thirty three Ray told this. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.680 They tried to throw every player at you, and nothing 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.839 was working. What was working for you that day. 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:34.120 A little bit of everything. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:34.359 You know. 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.400 That was really my first time arriving in the US, 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.960 and you know, it was during the Final Four at 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.120 the time in San Antonio. I was I was so 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.880 hyped to be there. It was an incredible experience. We 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:46.960 got to train here in Dallas for a few days 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.080 with the team, and then they flew us down to 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.359 San Antonio for the Final Four. We got to watch 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.360 the two semi finals game with you know, U and c. 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.919 You got to watch Vince Carter and I was just 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.560 so hyped. And then the game was the following morning, 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.800 and I don't know, man, it was just one of 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.960 those days. Had a good start, got a couple got 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.080 to frouline a couple of times that game and just 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.680 you know, helped me settle my nerves and just kind 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.600 of rolled through there and showed it was able to 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.520 show a little bit of my whole repertoire, which which 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.919 I guess was was great. So that was that was 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.120 a fun game. It really honestly, it changed my life overnight. 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:21.000 That was the next question. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.960 I mean, my you know, back then there was no internet, 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.520 there was none of that, and so I didn't I 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.520 don't even think I had a cell phone back then. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.760 So my my parents had had to get an answering 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.799 machine at real college coaches ordering and off the hook, 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.760 I mean all night long, and they didn't understand back 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.520 in the day the time change and right, So I 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.600 mean we had to get an answering machine because it 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.440 was getting crazy. So I was getting recruited from like 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.480 probably forty colleges, and you know, all of a sudden 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.720 I was, I was on the scene, and and then 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.120 people were saying, hey, after that game, you might be 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:56.919 a lot of a pick. You know, you know, I 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:58.960 don't think you should be should be going to college. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:00.800 And so that had not to cut you off. Had 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.040 that even crossed your mind prior to that. 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.640 Or not a chance? I was looking at colleges and 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.360 then I wasn't even thinking about staying maybe in Europe, 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.320 go to I visited like a Barcelona, like a great 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.240 team in Italy and Milan. I thought maybe I'll go 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.960 pro there a little bit. I have a good competition 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:20.919 and then maybe if I make it, come on later. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.080 But you know, like I said that that game change 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:24.600 changed everything really cool. 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.000 Pissed off the press a little bit because you kind 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:29.560 of had to do it was right for you, you know, 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.400 by leaving and then obviously you had to leave your 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.000 club to even play in it. 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:33.320 Correct. 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:34.680 Can you speak to a little bit of kind of 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.000 what it back home? Although it would change your life 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.920 in a positive it wasn't positive from everyone's outlook. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.480 Yeah. So there was a tough, tough period because we 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.479 were in the playoffs sort of getting promoted. You know 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:50.120 in Europe that you're getting get promoted and relegated. So 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.080 we were in the second division at the time, and 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.080 we wanted to go up in the first division and 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.920 we tried for years ever since I started the age 0:06:57.920 --> 0:06:59.800 of fifteen, and every year we're right there and we 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.400 did make it. And that year we had a good 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.480 team and we had a great foreigner. He was amazing. 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.000 At the back of the days you only could play 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.520 with one foreigner on the team. They still had the 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:11.320 rule in the first division you had too. In the 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.880 in the second division you had won, and he was amazing, 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.400 and so we thought we'd have a great shot at it. 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.960 And then this game came along and my coach at 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.240 the time, my personal coach, Holgar, was like, I think 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.400 you gotta go. We gotta go, but we can't tell 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:29.120 the team. And so I finished a playoff game that 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.600 Sunday and on Monday morning we drove to Frankfurt and 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:34.560 flew out and I didn't tell the team, but we 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:38.080 didn't tell the management, and so of course that didn't 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.520 go well. You know, some of the guys had big 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.640 bonuses on the line. How it is in Europe when 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:46.600 you actually get promoted, they get paid, and so I 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.320 heard there was some bad blood a little bit. But 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.920 fast forward to come back that weekend. I had a 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.160 good game and the team won the game that I 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.360 was gone. So it ended up being amazing and we 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.480 ended up getting promoted that year. And you know, I 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.880 had a good game, So everything knock on wood worked 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.800 out great. But uh, I heard some of the guys 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.120 who are a little bit a little bit pistle. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.360 I can't never feel guilty about doing what's best for you. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.640 I know, but in the middle of the playoffs, I 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:20.080 guess that's so that's a little tough, but yeah, money, Yeah, 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:21.520 it worked out. It worked out well. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:26.920 So growing up in American culture, movies, rap, basketball, how 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:27.280 was that? 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.000 Well? I was a big nineties kid, you know, I 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.160 loved Once I started playing basketball, I got more into 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.440 the culture and you know, and and the rap and 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.240 and listen to Woo Tank Lan and I. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:40.720 Had all that. 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:44.160 I had, all that, I had all that in my 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.880 repertoire and I don't know, I love the you know, 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.680 wearing the Jordan shoes and uh and yeah, I just 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.760 try to be a basketball guy. And it was it 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.120 was fun. And then but when I came over, it 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.960 a lot was different and my my language was just 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.680 not quite there. My English show I was really shy 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:06.000 my first year. You know, they didn't really understand the 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.840 guys in locker room. It's a little different from the 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:12.760 English I learned at school, and little guys no slang, 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.200 and so I didn't really understand that much. So my 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.160 first year was just kind of trying to learn and 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.240 learn on the fly and pick up all the calls 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.800 on the court, understand the guys off the court. So 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.200 that was probably the hardest transition my year one, and 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.520 it was a lockout year ninety eight ninety nine, so 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.079 we you know, we had like six games in eight days, 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.680 so they threw a lot at me my first year, 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.560 and looking back, it was a very important year, but 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.120 going through it, yeah, sucked. 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.400 Homesick at all during that journey. 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.560 Honestly, I didn't really have that much time. Honestly, there 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.720 were so many games my first year and literally after 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.480 the day of the last game, I was out. The 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.520 next day. I couldn't wait to go home. But the 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.640 break I was it was good for me to have 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.120 Steve nash On, you know, we talked about him early 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.719 Finley was was good for me. I had good two 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.320 for fans that were there for me, that helped me 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.640 and took me out of the hotel room. And I 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.640 was when I was homesick, and they they were big 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.520 for me, book supporters on and off the floor. And 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.640 I'm not sure I would have gone this smooth with 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.040 without them. So they I owe them a lot and 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.920 they're friends for life. We talked to them all the time. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:19.839 We see each other. We go on vacation together with 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.120 the kids now, so uh, that's that's that's a tight 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.839 bond before a long time ago, and I'm glad those 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.160 guys were here for me at the time. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:29.880 Steve was my VIT when I got drafted. 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:31.400 So I know, Steve Nash my guy. 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.480 Your name has been dropped one hundred and seven times 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:36.600 in hip hop songs. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:37.520 You have a favorite one? 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:39.400 I didn't know. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.640 Someone really did some digging to get that one hundred 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.160 and six. You got a favorite that you can remember? 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:52.640 No, actually, I can't even remember one that's my name 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.040 was dropped, but I got I got some research that 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:56.400 that one. 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.400 Hundred and seven times. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.959 Check that out holder guests you winner man behind the 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:04.520 scenes will help you get recognized. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:05.439 Talk about him. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.679 Yeah, So I met him when I was about fifteen 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.960 and just about a good relationship. I mean, he was 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.880 he played in the seventy two Olympics for Germany, so 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.320 he played the game himself and was playing a little 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.400 bit still still at the time, and I was on 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.600 on a youth team and he saw me playing and 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.800 he came up to me after the game and it's like, hey, 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.880 who practiced with you and your skills? And I'm like, 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:29.880 brill Nobody I didn't know he was. It was just 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.439 some older gentleman and came up to me. So I'm like, nobody, really, 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.520 I just I'm still in high school and you know, 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.240 I played tennis and I played basketball a little bit. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.520 So he's like, you got you got what it takes. 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.920 You got a good field for the ball, but you 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.640 need to improve in your skills, your shooting and dribbling 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.680 and stuff. And I'm like, yeah, whatever sounds good. So 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.080 the Fall of Fastward. A couple months later, he actually 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.280 showed up at my club and he's like, I would 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.319 love to work with you and help her out. And 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.840 really I had nothing to lose. All I was doing 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:01.640 was was playing a little bit on the club team. 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.160 And so we started work about once twice a week 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.120 at the beginning because I was still in school and 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.199 I could really see a rapid rapid improvement. He he 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.560 thought outside the box. He had had different training methods 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.240 and I didn't believe in weight training at all. It 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.920 was all body weight training and you know, handstands, and 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:23.720 I mean some of the stuff has been has been reported, 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:27.400 but he was he was definitely a different guy. And 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.240 then he came to my parents' house and said, Hey, 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.199 I think he's he's got a lot of talent. If 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.280 he if he if he wants to really go for it, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.240 you know, we can go for it. But I need 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.720 him all in. And then that's when I quit tennis 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:42.720 and went all in on basketball and started training, you know, 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.960 every day. And he was my mentor basically my entire 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:51.040 career and still friends obviously his day. He's almost eighty now, 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.079 but he's doing well. He's still back home in Germany. 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.960 So he helped me a lot in times where, you know, 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.360 especially the first couple of years where stuff that wasn't 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.120 going right, Jumper was gone for two three days straight. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.920 I'd call him up, he'd be on the plane come 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.440 over the next day. So he helped me through a 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:08.720 ton and owe him a lot. 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:13.719 Is he responsible for those spinning shots and the. 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:14.640 Weird one what shot? 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.480 For sure? He was responsible for all that. I mean, 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.440 he taught me everything, how to shoot, how to move 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:25.160 the dribble, to play the game. And he always said, listen, 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.559 you might be tall, but you're not the most athletic. 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.560 You're not build strong. He's like, if you just if 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.000 you want to go to the NBA, you got to 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.720 bring something new to the game. And that's why we 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.120 kept working on the jump shot constantly because he's like, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.559 you know, you're not going to be as athletics as 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.719 the guys at the fours and five spots. You need 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.040 to if you want to get a little bit of 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.720 recognition there or make it, you have to bring something 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.200 else to the table. And so, like I said, that 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.200 was his vision outside of outside of the box, not 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.000 not training like everybody else. And so I was always 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.120 training with face to the basket, shooting three. He's trying 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.440 to one or two, dribbling up, and so that's that's 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.680 how I started to learn how to play the game. 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:08.760 And so later on then I felt completely uncomfortable. We'll 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.240 get to that series later, but I wasn't comfortable playing 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.160 with the back to the basket at all because all 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.719 my all, my basically ever since I learned when I 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.240 was fifteen, always faced the basket. So that's that's what 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.280 all the stuff that Holbert taught me. 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:22.160 You are. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.560 You've already been a big part of the culture because 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.040 of your game, like we all, but when you married 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.760 a sister, you know, you know how much we fell 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:30.120 in love with. 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.720 You, Brode. It's crazy. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.080 I'm just saying, like is that this great way? It 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.960 actually was. It actually was look right there right there. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:46.160 Actually yeah, but we real talking about you know, everybody's 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.000 a fan of Dirt with the culture. 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:49.840 Fell in love with you ten times when we married. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.120 Such talk about family, yeah, and what that means to 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.040 you obviously you have three kids. Talked to us about that. 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.600 Yeah, it's been a crazy journey. You know, off the floor, 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:05.800 made some mistake as well. Uh yeah, well well documented documented. Yeah, 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.600 but yeah, I ended up being being super lucky and 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.800 I'm ed Jess at like a charity event and a 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.280 bunch of a while ago and then got married like 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.200 right away. We're both ready for for a family and 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.080 shoot we married last year was over to ten years 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.880 or anyway. So three kids now they're ten, eight and 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.920 six and you know, the oldest is a girl. Two boys. 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.560 They're just there starting there. They're journey in sports with 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.320 with tennis and soccer and so it's been it's been 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.960 fun and it makes me super proud of to just 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:41.120 watch them and it's a fatherhood and being married. It's 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.880 it's been a dream of mine. It's been I'm enjoying 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.760 every minion right now. They're in a great age and 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.480 now I'm obviously done. I'm retired. I have time. I 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.600 don't have a boss. I can go to everything I want, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.160 and so it's been. We can travel the world, which 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:59.840 we've done, you know, we have. I'm from Germany, my 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.840 sister and my wife is half Swedish, half Kenyon. So 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.600 we go to Africa, we go to Sweden. So I 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.920 want them to I want our kids to be global 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.360 citizens and you know, speak different languages and travel the world. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.400 Whatever later on they get thrown into they can handle. 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.920 And so it's been it's been a fun journey off 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.840 the court with them the last couple of years since 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:19.800 since retirement. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:24.800 Love It ninety eight Draft Heavy bibby Antoine Jamison, Vince Carter, 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.000 Paul Pierce to name a few What was your draft 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.200 process like? And did you have to do a bunch 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.200 of workouts? A couple of workouts? How many workouts you do? 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:32.840 So I did? 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:33.160 I had it? 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:37.920 Actually none, I wasn't actually so at the time, No, 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.400 I did. I did one. Well, obviously some NBA teams 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:45.480 saw me here. And then Donnie Nelson, who was assistant 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.760 coach of the Maps. He was the assistant coach of 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.520 the Hoop Heroes team that we talked about earlier, so 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.200 he's obviously seen me up front and closed for like 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.480 a week, and and then I did a workout for 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.400 for the Boston Celtics, I think for Rick Bittino somewhere, 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:04.159 and he was in Italyan vacation, and so he saw me. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.119 I knew Dallas at the sixth pick. I knew Boston 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.880 at the tenth pick at the time, and uh, but 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:13.440 the rest was kind of up in the air because 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.679 I told everybody I wasn't. I wasn't quite sure if 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:16.399 I was ready for it. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:16.800 I was. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.159 I told him I might still pull out. I can 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.560 still go to college, I don't have an agent, I 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.879 can still stay in Europe. So I didn't even go 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:26.960 to draft. I think our drafted at that year was 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.320 in Toronto. I can't remember Vancouver. I think it was 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:29.800 in Canada. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:31.199 And uh. 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.600 I didn't go to the draft because I thought there's 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.600 no way somebody's actually taken me with with that risk 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.160 of me not showing up and wasted top ten pick. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:43.399 And so I stayed in Germany. I trained all the 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.879 way through and got a call in the middle of 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.920 the night or olger My guy got a call from 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:50.440 donn in the middle of the night said hey, u 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:56.600 Dal we picked you and we're like what and uh, 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.280 sure enough, Like literally a day or two days later, 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:03.520 they flew in Donny Flu and Big Nelly, who you 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.119 guys know, I was the coach at the time in 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:10.359 Rossboro Junior, who was the owner before Cubes. So they 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.040 all came into my hometown of wurtz Berg and hang 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.080 out for a couple of days and got to know 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.680