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Speaker 1: page on Apple Podcasts. Welcome back, All the Smoke Man,

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Speaker 1: coming to you from Dallas. Set the tone with the

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Speaker 1: boss man, mister Mark Cuban, And now we got one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest to ever do it.

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Speaker 2: Jack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He shot a lot of jumpers in face, both of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got one time.

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Speaker 2: We got him.

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Speaker 1: Know, we're going to talk about that a little later.

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Speaker 1: But man, this is long overdue. I mean, your accolades

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Speaker 1: twenty one years, over, thirty thousand points, drank six All time,

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Speaker 1: fourteen All Stars, seven MVP Finals MVP, and eleven newest

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Speaker 1: member to the Hall of Fame. Congratulations for that. That's

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Speaker 1: a great class. We'll get to that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Anything funny happened in that during that Hall of Fame weekend,

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Speaker 1: I mean it.

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Speaker 3: Was just unbelievable experience. Honestly, my family came, I had

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Speaker 3: like one hundred and fifty people from all over the

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Speaker 3: world flying in some ex teammates, so nothing really funny.

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Speaker 3: You know, me and me and d Wade had a

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Speaker 3: little history, so we actually we bonded a little bit.

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Speaker 3: That weekend we filmed the podcast for his new new thing,

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Speaker 3: and so we actually got into some of the stuff

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Speaker 3: really happened in six and eleven and the fake coffin

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Speaker 3: they were doing, and so that was probably, uh, that

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Speaker 3: was probably the moment I would say, I didn't expect

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Speaker 3: that at all. Everything else was amazing, and uh and

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Speaker 3: and and just enjoyed every moment.

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Speaker 1: Well, you definitely deserved the man hell of a career,

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Speaker 1: hell of a run.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Germany recently took gold in the Feeble World Cup. If

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Speaker 1: someone told you back in the nineties that this is

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Speaker 3: No, no chance. Incredible. I mean basketball's has grown, not

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Speaker 3: only obviously in Germany, but all over the world. You

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Speaker 3: know of players, international players from all over the world,

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Speaker 3: representing you know, MVP type COUNTI players, franchise players. So

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Speaker 3: it's been fun to watch where the game has gone.

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Speaker 3: When I first got there in their nineties, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're building organizations around European players now, so

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Speaker 4: that's that's the testament to how they are developing now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I mean to speak of it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the last five MVPs have all been international player, the Gianni,

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Speaker 3: Well, the game has grown, I think that's one thing,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's jump back to nineteen ninety eight Hoops Summit,

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Speaker 3: But you know, like I said that that game change

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Speaker 1: Pissed off the press a little bit because you kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So there was a tough, tough period because we

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Speaker 4: So growing up in American culture, movies, rap, basketball, how

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Speaker 3: a lot was different and my my language was just

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Speaker 3: my first year. You know, they didn't really understand the

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Speaker 3: that was probably the hardest transition my year one, and

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Speaker 4: You've already been a big part of the culture because

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like is that this great way? It

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Speaker 3: team where where he was. You know, I think back

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00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,679
Speaker 3: when I got started in the late nineties, there were

440
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 3: not a lot of coaches that wanted big guys to

441
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 3: shoot and pick and pop, and sometimes he brought the

442
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,360
Speaker 3: ball up. And you know, if I would have ended

443
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 3: up somewhere else in another system, or even with Rick Patino,

444
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 3: who helped me from the full court press, I don't

445
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 3: think that. I don't think that that would have worked

446
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 3: well for me. I think so I was in a

447
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 3: perfect system with with Steve and Mike who supported me.

448
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 3: So I was. I was really fortunate there and and

449
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 3: all Nelly was kind of doing was his place was

450
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 3: super simple. I mean, you guys know, it was a

451
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 3: high pick and roll. It was fisted up, it was

452
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 3: a fist side, and then there was these elbow catches

453
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 3: with some curls around and the rest was let him,

454
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 3: let him play.

455
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Speaker 1: So process is like the number one offense in the

456
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 1: league for a lot of different teams. When he ran it,

457
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 1: it was simple, but it got the job done. You

458
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: were in the golden era of power forwards. Kevin Garnett

459
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 1: as Him, Duncan, Chris Weber, Rashid Wallace, Been, Baker, Karl

460
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 1: Malone and Dice Juwan Howard. I know we're forgetting some,

461
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean that's a hell of a That

462
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: was the strongest position in the league, probably outside of

463
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: center at the time. And what was it like for

464
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 1: you early on?

465
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Speaker 3: Oh man, it was it was tough every night I

466
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 3: had to bring in and the good thing was on

467
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 3: my defense. Obviously it was never great in my career,

468
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 3: but at the beginning it was really terrible. So what

469
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 3: they were doing is I would even if I would

470
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 3: end up on one of these guys, they would just

471
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 3: have me front and so I had to work on

472
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 3: my fronting. As soon as they crossed, like the little

473
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 3: free throw line, try to post me. I would just

474
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 3: try to wrestle my way around them. And as soon

475
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 3: as they love hit, comes Sean Bradley over in seven

476
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 3: six and we'll kind of trap them. So that was

477
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 3: that was one defensive strategy, and the other one was

478
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 3: just let the fives go out their force and I

479
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 3: would guard the fives just because you know they're they're

480
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 3: these guys were so good and they were I was

481
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 3: a mismatch to all these guys, So you know, it's

482
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 3: all Nelly coming up with with with defensive things that

483
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 3: we can kind of get away with with me being

484
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 3: on the court and stretching the cord on offense and

485
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,959
Speaker 3: and getting away with it on the defensive end. But

486
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, we still try to outscore,

487
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 3: you know, Steve on the show, Finn posting off, doing

488
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,959
Speaker 3: his all around game, and I'm running around shooting and

489
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 3: so as those were some fun years, man, we had

490
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 3: with Nick van Exell, and we had he was we had,

491
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 3: we had it.

492
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Speaker 2: We had a good Nick Wood squad.

493
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 3: So but yeah, the power forward was loaded. And it

494
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 3: also of course made me better because I knew I

495
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 3: had to I had to bring my a game every.

496
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Speaker 1: Night every night. Your first season you struggled a little bit.

497
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Speaker 1: Second and third season you started to find your stride.

498
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Speaker 1: You know, forty game, forty wins, fifty three wins. By

499
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: year three you're at twenty two ten and shooting forty

500
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: percent from the three point line, which is unheard of

501
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: because again people your size aren't really shooting threes at

502
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 1: that time. What clicked?

503
00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: Were you?

504
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Speaker 1: What changed?

505
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Speaker 3: Well? It was fortunately my second year. You know, they

506
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 3: saw I was a little too slow for actually I

507
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: started being a small forward because they knew I can't

508
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 3: go to any other power forwards, so I started small

509
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 3: forward and then that was tough to keep up though,

510
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 3: so that they kind of saw, okay, this is not

511
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 3: He's not really a small forward in this league, so

512
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: let's try to play him a power forward. And then

513
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 3: we had a guy named Gary Trent. You guys probably

514
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: remember him. He was an ox so and he played

515
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 3: amazing for us my rookie year, and then he was

516
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 3: clearly the starter going in my second year, and which

517
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 3: was totally fine. I would have come just off the bench.

518
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: And then in preseason he tore his hamstring and so

519
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 3: basically there were not a lot of other power forwards

520
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 3: on the roster, so you know, we kind of had

521
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 3: to make it work, and that's when we came up

522
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: with all these defensive schemes. But then all of a

523
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: sudden my year two, I went from not starting in

524
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 3: my first year to playing thirty thirty five minutes to

525
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 3: night and confidence. You know, got to play through mistakes

526
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 3: and learn from mistakes, and finally my language starting to

527
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 3: catch up. Now I had a full training camp under me,

528
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 3: I finally got an apartment in the car, was fully settled,

529
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: so I think all that played in the year two,

530
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 3: where year one was just so quick, and I mean

531
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 3: I had a rental car my whole year one. I

532
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 3: didn't really have time to get settled even so that

533
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: that all played in, felt more comfortable off the floor,

534
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 3: and then had a lot of playing time, got to

535
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 3: learn and make some mistakes and they fellas obviously helped

536
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: me with everything. So that that was a big jump

537
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 3: from year one to year two, and that that year

538
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: two kind of set me up to keep going and

539
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 3: keep getting better, and that gave me a lot of confidence.

540
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Speaker 1: Real quick, jeffre you go, I want to say, hopefully

541
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Speaker 1: this was you and it wasn't someone else. Did you

542
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: not know how to use the AC in your car?

543
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: That was you? Right?

544
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: I heard a story about that summertime. Tell us about that.

545
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 3: Well, you know, so I have my Year one. I

546
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 3: just had a rental Rentald car because I was literally here.

547
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 3: I knew I was here only for three months, and uh,

548
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 3: and so I was I was coming to Rentald. The

549
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: guys were always killing me when I drop up in

550
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 3: my little in mini car. And then uh, yeah, it

551
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: was going you know, the season was going longer, it

552
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: was going into May, and it was already getting warm,

553
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: and I'd come to the game and I had a

554
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 3: couple of sweat drips on my forehead and they're like,

555
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: where are you coming from? You know, you run in

556
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: or something. And one day I'm like, nice, it's always hot.

557
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: I've got to drive with my uh and roll down

558
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 3: my windows it's so hot. And then something Yeah, but

559
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: they actually showed me. So there's this button that's a

560
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: C and yeah. I didn't have that in my first

561
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 3: car in Germany, and I didn't have an AC button,

562
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: so I had no idea. I kept, you know, putting

563
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 3: the fan up, but it was it was blowing warm air.

564
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 3: So I always came to the game sweaty, and then

565
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: until until upon the a C button and that's uh

566
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 3: change phenomena.

567
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: I think it's called yogging with the soft j. Yeah,

568
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: that's funny, yoggy.

569
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: I gotta see ron Berg. Uh.

570
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman had a brief stand here.

571
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 2: What was that? Like?

572
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: I was wild. I mean, I'm a big Chicago Bulls

573
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 3: fan in the nineties there obviously, Uh so he was.

574
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: He was one of my heroes. And then you know,

575
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: q S bought the team the second my second year.

576
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 3: Halfway through and he's like, you know, we need to

577
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 3: make a splash year. We need to get on the map.

578
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: This is a cowboys town and I want to bring

579
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 3: the the Mavericks back. I think I'm gonna sign Dennis Rodman,

580
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 3: who were like, are you serious? But he ended up

581
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 3: doing it and it was it was quite an experience,

582
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: so he uh every time. So as a team meeting,

583
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 3: we usually meet with Nelly. Obviously with forty minutes before

584
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 3: the game. So the first game we have Dennis Robman,

585
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 3: We're all kind of like excited he's starting, So forty

586
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: minute rolls around. He gets up, Nell's about to start

587
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 3: the film. Robin gets up and goes take a shower,

588
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: like okay, So he comes back. He didn't see the video,

589
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: he doesn't know the coverages, so he just goes out

590
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: and kind of does Sometimes he squeezes, sometimes he hedges

591
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: a little bit, sometimes he does nothing. So I was like, okay,

592
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: maybe he just did it one time. Second game, forty

593
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: minutes on o'clock, he gets up in showers, so he

594
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 3: missed all the pregame meetings before the game and had

595
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: no idea about the coverages that we're doing, and kind

596
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: of did his own thing, and I was like, that

597
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: was just his routine. At forty minutes before the game,

598
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 3: he was he was showering, and then and then after

599
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: the game, he would just put his own gear on

600
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: and would go lift hard for like an hour and

601
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 3: a half, two hours. Wouldn't wouldn't, wouldn't be with the team,

602
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 3: would just be fine, fine to his his his workout

603
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 3: room and he had his little workout coach, and then

604
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 3: they were just lifting heavy for like an hour and

605
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: a half after the game. And then you just put

606
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 3: on a cowboy hat with these long feathers, didn't shower

607
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: and just walked right out the arena. And it was

608
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 3: and the media scrum with chasing him, and he's and

609
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: he's mumbling something like this. It was a comedy side show.

610
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 3: And then it just wouldn't work. It wasn't working well

611
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 3: that those couple of games he was here. But it

612
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 3: was definitely a splash. I mean, you know that the

613
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 3: arena was full and he got kicked out of one game.

614
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 3: He sat on the court for a while and the

615
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: rest didn't want to throw him out. I mean, there

616
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: was a lot of stuff happened, which was a cool

617
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: experience for me. I guess as a young guy growing up,

618
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: but it just basketball wise, it just unfortunately didn't work.

619
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: How did you get your signature move?

620
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: Well, I think I started shooting that later. You know,

621
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: in the twenties, you have the power with somebody's crowded,

622
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: you try to rip through and get the basket, get

623
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: fouled a lot. And just as I gotten older and

624
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: I lost the step, and you know, I didn't want

625
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: to do all the grinding get fouled, so I looked

626
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: for for a shot that I can do with without

627
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, effort. You know I'm tall.

628
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: It was just one or two bumps and lean back.

629
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: I knew nobody can get to the shot. So that's

630
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 3: really how I started shooting a little bit at the beginning.

631
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: And you know, of course I had the support from

632
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: the coaches because you know, not a lot of guys

633
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: wanted to shoot a one leg fade away, but you know,

634
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: they saw it go in a little bit, and I

635
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: was practicing it a little bit, and so I started

636
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: shooting and mostly that dead year we actually had the

637
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: championship run and things were going really well there and

638
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: I made most of them. So I was like, okay,

639
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: this is a good weapon for me going forward, because

640
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: you know, guys was really starting to crowd me because

641
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: I lost is two step or two and then this

642
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: was just a way for me to stay stay efficient

643
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: and and and still be a decent score even in

644
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: old age.

645
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: He's a decent kind of right. Uh oh three, you

646
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: hurt your knee in game for how tough is that?

647
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously changed the series dramatically, uh mentally kind

648
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: of your first injury in the n B A big

649
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: injury in the NBA.

650
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was terrible. We were That was the year

651
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: when we had Van Exell and he was he was

652
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: amazing for him to believe we had we had a

653
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: fun crew that year. I still think you guys would

654
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: have been us, honestly. I mean, you guys were were

655
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: so solid and with with Timmy and and everybody. I mean,

656
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: I still don't think even if I'm healthy, we win

657
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: that series. But at least seven, it would it would

658
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: have been It would have been interesting. It would have

659
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 3: been interesting. I think, like we had such a we

660
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: had such a good run, but they were such a

661
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: jugging out on defense that our offense never really clicked

662
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: the way we wanted it because they were so well coached,

663
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: and you know Timmy in the middle, and so I'm

664
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: not sure he would have beaten you guys, But that

665
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: was brutal to sit there, and I think it was monoil.

666
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: I fell into my knee and I just sprained my knee,

667
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: and I wanted to play so bad the next game.

668
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: And then actually I even went to the pregame workout

669
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: and I looked okay, and that's where actually Nelly and

670
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: Cuban went into it, got into a little bit and

671
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: they were never on the same page again. I think

672
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: Cubes wanted me to play the way I worked out pregame,

673
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: and Nelly was like, listen, he's twenty three longer, long

674
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: career had him, I'm not going to play.

675
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: Him, and.

676
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: So they they didn't see eyda I actually ever since

677
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: after that. So but yeah, going back now, I think

678
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: it was the right decision not to play, because because

679
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: I was so young, and even just standing there watching

680
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: some of the game, I felt my knee was getting

681
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: a little weak and a little sore, and so I

682
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: think it was the right decision not to play. But

683
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 3: of course it was. I mean, it was tough.

684
00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: You put him in the game.

685
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 4: Play game six because they they were saying he was

686
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 4: going he was saying he was going to play, and

687
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 4: it was game six.

688
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: We just knew he was going to play. He didn't

689
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: put that uniform.

690
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: And then we had remember we had Wald Williams. After

691
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: every three he gave a shake and then we were

692
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: up going to fourth like fifteen points, and there comes

693
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: Steve Kerr. I don't know, we didn't have him on

694
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 3: the on the radar at all, and he came in

695
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 3: and we obviously trapped Tommy every time down and then

696
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: Steve had like four or five. Hasn't played all year again,

697
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: it was that whole bang game too. Yeah, I don't

698
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: think he played that playoffs, the whole Steve, I'm not sure,

699
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: but he did. He comes in drains four threes and

700
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: completely changed the game and bright that was. That was

701
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: a tough one and maybe I would have tried to

702
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: play in seven, but well we'll never know. But like

703
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: I said, you guys were I had twenty three that game, Yeah, easy,

704
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: twenty three.

705
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: You was not there.

706
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: So it was cool, oh six up to oh against

707
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: Miami in the finals and d Wade and Sheck company

708
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: come back when you guys and went four straight. What

709
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: was that like mentally.

710
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: Well, you know, there were a couple of low points

711
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: in my career. That was definitely one of them. You know,

712
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: we left here to oh feeling good. The Dallas Morning

713
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: News and newspaper here had the parade route or in

714
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: the paper. Wow, so big enough a jink.

715
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: Can't do that.

716
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: You can't, you can't do that. But we were we

717
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: were kind of going down there. Things are going well,

718
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: we think we're going to win this, and then we're

719
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: still playing well in game three and we were still

720
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: up with like a couple of minutes ago, we were

721
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: we were still up and then uh, you know, we

722
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: ended up losing that game and then things kind of

723
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: just fell apart. I think we're still too young. We

724
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 3: were quite ready for that stage, and that was really

725
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: that was the way it's coming out party. I mean,

726
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: he was unguardable pick and rolls, getting to the basket

727
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: and starting to make some shots. We couldn't keep them

728
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: in front of us, and so, uh yeah, we ended

729
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 3: up losing, got blown out in game four. Switched hotels

730
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 3: before game five. Avery snapped on us after game four,

731
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 3: it's like too much family here. I went out, So

732
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: we moved somewhere to fund Lauderdale and uh and try

733
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: to stop the bleeding, and then lost a close one

734
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: in game five again and then lost it here in

735
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 3: game six. So you know, I was I was really

736
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 3: frustrated disappointed, but honestly I was I was thinking, Okay,

737
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: I'm I'm in my prime, I'm ready for this, and

738
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: we're going to be back. We have a good team.

739
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: We're bringing the same team back again next year. And

740
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: uh so I wasn't as disappointed in six as as

741
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: I actually was in O seven.

742
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 4: But looking back at that though, do you see something

743
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 4: that you could have switched after game two to make

744
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 4: that series go indifferently?

745
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean,

746
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: like I said, d Wade was incredible that series. I

747
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: don't know if we could have trapped them more trying

748
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 3: to keep them out the lane, I'm not sure. But

749
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 3: their role players started to play better too, and and

750
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: you know they had Entin Walker and Gary Payton and

751
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: Posey that that's some good players. And then you know,

752
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: they started to get more confidence after that first win

753
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 3: and they started to play better, shoot better from the outside.

754
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: You know, Haslam is a great player, always had a

755
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: lot of respect for him. He's probably one of the

756
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: guys that guarded me best throughout my career. So they

757
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: had they had a good team, and so which if

758
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: we finished that game three off with a little more experience,

759
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: I think that then we have it. But since we

760
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: let them, we let them get some life and get

761
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: some they got hyped and and played even harder, and

762
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: then you know that's yeah, the rest is history.

763
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: Next season MVP sixty plus wins. Nelly took this personal,

764
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: like we weren't even supposed to be in the playoffs,

765
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: but he said, if we get in the playoffs, we're

766
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: going to play Dallas and we're going.

767
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: To beat him. And that's all I care about life.

768
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he quit, I don't quits a big Well,

769
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: he might have checked out after. He didn't give a

770
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: damn after that. So that that season again, Hughes sixty

771
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: five win, sixty seven wins, sixty eight wins.

772
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: Sixty seven seven wins.

773
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: You're the MVP one verse eight. What is your thought

774
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: going into that series?

775
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: Verse?

776
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: Because we actually played you guys well that season, although

777
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: we were out of the mix at the time, we

778
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: played you guys well.

779
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, So where's and O six. Like I said, I

780
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: wasn't that frustrated. Of course, I was a little disappointed,

781
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 3: as I was like, I'm in my prime. Next year

782
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: we're coming in where we have the same team. We're

783
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: going to roll. Started season off one to four win

784
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: in a double overtime in Phoenix. We're about to go

785
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 3: on five and we win and then roll the rest

786
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 3: of the season. It was just one of those roles

787
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 3: where like we're on the road somewhere down the fourth quarter,

788
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: just looked at each other and Jet like where we're

789
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: going to We're going to come back with this. We're

790
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: going to get some big starts and we need him

791
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 3: and we're going to just find some offense and give

792
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: the ball to me and Jet and we'll make it happen.

793
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 3: So there was We had a crazy amount of confidence

794
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: during that whole season and then here come the Warriors,

795
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: and I didn't we didn't love playing you guys. I

796
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: gotta say it's that was. That was a tough matchup.

797
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: That was.

798
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could laugh. I wish I could lay.

799
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: We didn't love playing Yeah.

800
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: I wish I could laugh now you were. You guys

801
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 3: were a tough matchup for us. Not only did Nellie

802
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 3: know every every strength of ours since he coached us,

803
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 3: and he knew exactly.

804
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: What to do.

805
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 4: Bro, I had tape on you just you your moves

806
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 4: just up to ut thirty minutes is just your tape, Bro.

807
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: Well, there were a lot of move There was always

808
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: going left. You always said you can only you can

809
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: only go left. No, but you also had a lot

810
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: of teams obviously had the blueprint, but they didn't have

811
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: the personnel to pull it off. Yeah, you guys had

812
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: a small team that always gave me problems and other problems.

813
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: You guys are running in the post. Usually I can

814
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: catch on anybody. We had a tough time getting the

815
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: ball to me. Passed it first of all. Then every

816
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: time I drove one way and I spun where I

817
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: came the trap, he's gonna I like shooting out of

818
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: my spin. So then when I we didn't have a

819
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: great shooting team, or we didn't have a great passing team.

820
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: So both of these things, you guys just just took

821
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 3: advantage of.

822
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: It.

823
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: Was it was tough. I couldn't stop the bleeding. I

824
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 3: didn't I didn't shoot well. I mean that was that

825
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: was probably my worst playoff series. That I've played, and

826
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: all the credit obviously to you guys, And that was

827
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 3: that was tough. And then I took seven almost harder

828
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 3: than six, because you know, maybe I had such high expectations.

829
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: We beat the Spurs like three out of four that year.

830
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: In my mind, I'm saying, we're we're winning the championship

831
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 3: that year, and and I had so much made so

832
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: much pressure on myself, and then maybe maybe I was

833
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 3: even froze up a little bit too much. I didn't

834
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: play loose against you guys and have fun, and so

835
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 3: that was that was one of that was one of

836
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: the toughest. I felt like almost embarrassed for for a

837
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: couple of weeks. I didn't want to leave my house.

838
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go to the m v P

839
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: ceremony take the m v P. You know, usually back

840
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: in the days, the m v P ceremony was during

841
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: the second round, during the pregame. We didn't have a

842
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: game anymore, so I had to put a pseuito on

843
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: and go down there, and it was just it was

844
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 3: just awkward. I didn't want to be there. So every

845
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 3: time I see my m v P trophy not at home,

846
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: it's unfortunately in my mind. I think you guys, I

847
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 3: think all the smoke when I see my my dumb

848
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: did you.

849
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: Throw a chair or something at the wall in Oracle,

850
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: because I've never heard the story how that happened.

851
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm always I was just pissed off. I'm

852
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: not quite sure how it happened. Somebody said there was

853
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: a trash can, uh, or somebody said it was a chair.

854
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 3: I don't think a trash can could actually make a

855
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: whole like this, so I can actually can't remember how

856
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: it happened. But yeah, afterwards, somebody said, yeah on the wall.

857
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: And they hung we believe Jersey up next to like

858
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: the masks.

859
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the forever. It was different, which was great.

860
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you guys had had a fun team.

861
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: I think you know, with all due respect you winning

862
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: MVP as good as your team, you came back with

863
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: the different You were different the next year though. We

864
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: felt like like we like we helped you, you came

865
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: back a different dirt.

866
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: Well, you know, as it is in life, you have

867
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 3: to learn from from tough situations, from tough tough moments,

868
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: and I felt like, you know, you guys pushed me

869
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: to be better a little bit with my back to

870
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: the basket. You know, that was I mentioned it earlier.

871
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: I always liked to face, like to drive and then spend.

872
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: It was just a little too predictable. So you know,

873
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 3: I said, you have to add, you have to add

874
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: more to your game. You have to work hard the

875
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: summer and be be a better be better leader and

876
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: more complete players. So I got a lot more comfortable,

877
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: you know, posting up then, and even if it was

878
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: free throw line or or down the box, and I

879
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: would never even still then I would not out muscle

880
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: you and get to the basket. But I was more

881
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 3: comfortable there operating in that area and shooting over smaller guys,

882
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: shooting fadeaways. And then one legger came and so I think, yeah,

883
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 3: you guys forced me to get back in the lab

884
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: and and get better and push and and I always say,

885
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: without the disappointments in O six and O seven, I

886
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been the closer and eleven. I think that's

887
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: that's very true. You know, you have to go through

888
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 3: tough times and and and learn from from some tough

889
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: mistakes and and get better. And so that was you

890
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: guys pushed me to be to be better.

891
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: So eight and ten. You guys are building you bringing

892
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd tricks, Sean Mary and Pasia Karan who doesn't

893
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: help you get down the stretch run because he gets

894
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: hurt over the big piece. Rick Carlisle as well. What

895
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: did all those pieces being to you?

896
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: So actually when we made I was like, okay, it

897
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 3: was seven. We still had the best team going to

898
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: A eight. We lose to you guys, but we're we

899
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: won sixty seven games. We're straight, we're good. And then

900
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: the OAIT season started and stuff is just not going

901
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: as well, and it actually shows don't take stuff for granted. Man,

902
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: Sometimes things can change in a heartbeat within one season.

903
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: You know, all of a sudden, we're not right there anymore.

904
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: We're not with the best team. All of sudden, teams

905
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: have passed us by. And then our window from six

906
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: and seven all of a sudden looked closed. And so

907
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: things were going well at all in the wait season,

908
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: and then we did the trade at all set game

909
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 3: for Jake Kidd. We felt like his leadership is is

910
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: you know, like I mentioned earlier, weren't great passing. We

911
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 3: were on great, great playmaking. We had some good scores

912
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: at the guards, but not not getting everybody involved playmakers,

913
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: and so we made the deal for j Kid at

914
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: the All Set game and and that didn't pan out

915
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 3: that we wanted to at the beginning either. So they're

916
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: in eight to ten. There was there were a lot

917
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 3: of changes. You know, we still had Avery when when

918
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 3: Jay Kidd first came, and then you know, Carla took over,

919
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 3: I believe in the eight or nine season. Then we

920
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: did the big trade with with Washington to bring in

921
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: Haywood d Steve, who was crazy and uh and uh

922
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 3: of course Karan and so they fit in well, and

923
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, there the windows open again.

924
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: We felt like we had a good team. We had

925
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: some veterans and yeah, and going into that you know,

926
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: ten to eleven season, we felt like we had a

927
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 3: good team. I don't think we were necessarily favorites, but

928
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: we felt like we had some veterans and we had

929
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: a good start to the season. And then I got

930
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 3: hurt right around Christmas time, and then so I was out.

931
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: I was hurt, and then New Year's Day. I'll never forget.

932
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: We're in Milwaukee, that's where Karan is from, and I'm

933
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: sitting out in a suit because I'm not playing, and

934
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 3: Kuran goes for rebound and just screams and lays on

935
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 3: the ground and I'm so, we're all rushing over there,

936
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: and I see literally he tore his patel attendant and

937
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: his his kneecap had dislocated, so it sat and sat

938
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: on top on his skigh. I'm like, I'm trying to

939
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: dry heath. It was. It was nasty, and so our

940
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: trainer was like, oh my god, we need wheelchair, wheelchair

941
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 3: And that was one of the toughest things I was saying.

942
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: I mean, Kuran, it's pretty tough. So he heard wheelchair

943
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: and he's from Wisconsin. His grandmother was there, his family.

944
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm not I'm not getting out of here

945
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: in a wheelchair. So he's like I watched him push

946
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: his kneecap down by himself and he gets up and

947
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: starts hopping. You know how in the old Milwaukee Arena

948
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: that was to go back to the locker room, and

949
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: he walked that on his own power. I said, this,

950
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: this guy, this guy is built different. And uh but

951
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: then you know, here we go again. We think in

952
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: our our windows closing, you know, losing up. He was

953
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: probably our second best Scar. I think he was our

954
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: second best scorer that year, and so we're like, oh god,

955
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: here it goes again. Right, It's just a bunch of

956
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: bad luck. And but I would say that he he

957
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 3: motivated us, inspired us the way he wanted to come

958
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: back and fought and attacked rehab. I mean he was

959
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 3: almost ready to play in that in that final series

960
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: in eleven. I mean he was. He was a beast.

961
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: And every day watching him, how he how he handled himself,

962
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: how he attacked that rehab, that that really motivated us,

963
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: and that that inspired us for that ten to eleven run.

964
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: Blazers Lakers, okay see Miami, twenty eight points were gained,

965
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 4: forty nine percent field goal, forty six throw line gee

966
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 4: Woolakers took down Kobe kat and Lebron. We call that

967
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 4: as you know, on one, he was definitely on one.

968
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 4: Well what mind frame will you win?

969
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 3: We had a good run, you know, I started. We

970
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: started against Portland. They they gave us some problems. Yeah

971
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: that Marc roy b roy still they had they had

972
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 3: a good team, they were they were smart. Uh, and

973
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: so we didn't play the well there we almost lost

974
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 3: one at home and I took us We get took

975
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 3: us well to get going, and then I felt like

976
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: we lost both both games in Portland and it was

977
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: it was too too coming back here. And that's still

978
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: I remember to this day. I was like, we're not

979
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: going to lose to them. We're not going to lose

980
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: Game five on our home court. And I don't know

981
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 3: why I said that to I usually don't say much

982
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: in the team meetings and stuff. I'm a quiet guy.

983
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: Let the coaches do their thing. But that day, I'm like,

984
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 3: even in the pregame meeting, I was like, there, they're

985
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 3: not beating us. Where we got that.

986
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: You know what they do your teammate to hear Dirk

987
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: say that, you just in the back of the locker room, Quill, But.

988
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: They ain't beating us today.

989
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody, you know. I just felt that. I just

990
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: felt that because in Game four we were up like

991
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: twenty and b Roy made that magical run and they

992
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: beat it, and I just had that that's not going

993
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 3: to happen again. And so and then from there we

994
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 3: started a role. We started a roll. We won game

995
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: five at home, beat them in game six, went straight

996
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: down to LA and stole a miracle Game one where

997
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: Kobe was like hot at like forty, I think it

998
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 3: could seem like he couldn't miss, and we basically stole

999
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: that one at the buzzer and from there, I don't know,

1000
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 3: we just we just got confidence was getting better and

1001
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 3: we had the roles were defined perfectly right. You had

1002
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: you had Tricks and Kid and Tyson. They were the

1003
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: defenders right on offense. We knew Jet and I and

1004
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 3: JJ we were going to wheel and deal and do

1005
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: our thing, and obviously we had some shooters, but I

1006
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: felt like we're our roles were perfectly defined, and we had,

1007
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: you know, a great bench that we can change the

1008
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: tempo a little bit. So, uh, I don't know. It

1009
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: was just a magical time. We had Paga that we

1010
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: signed some in February. I think he got bought out

1011
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: in Toronto and we took a chance on it. He

1012
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 3: did it look like he could play with his back,

1013
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 3: and he rehabbed for two three months every day and

1014
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: then gave us unbelievable ron there. I made some huge

1015
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 3: shots in the Lakers and Oka C Series, and so

1016
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 3: everything that we did that year kind of panned out,

1017
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: and I know it's fortunate.

1018
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: I guess you guys ended up getting to the top

1019
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: of the mountain on a hell of a journey. Were

1020
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: there ever times Cube talked about it at some point

1021
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: in your career, trying to get Paul Pierce, trying to

1022
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: get Kobe. Was there ever a time you possibly thought

1023
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: about hitting the market or possibly playing for someone else.

1024
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so I four years, was the rookie deal,

1025
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 3: and then basically right right in the my last year,

1026
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: I believe on my rookie deal, I signed a max deal.

1027
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 3: I signed just you know, the same deal at Vince

1028
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: signed back in the days, and Paul we signed a

1029
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 3: six year deal. And then I wasn't titularly hit free

1030
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: agency until my tenth year in the league. So it

1031
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: was I think I was free agents there in twenty

1032
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: ten and right before actually the championship year, and you know,

1033
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go anywhere. I loved it here.

1034
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: It's been ten years, but you know, do you think about, hey,

1035
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: are we ever going to get back to the stage.

1036
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: And so I went to since I really didn't have

1037
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 3: an agent. Hold girl was helping me with some of

1038
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: that stuff, but I didn't have an agent, So I

1039
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: just went over to Mark's Houston. We sat down on

1040
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 3: his couch and you know, just reminisced and talk for like,

1041
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: you know, two hours on what we've done and how

1042
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 3: fun this run was. And I said, okay, let's let's

1043
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 3: run it back.

1044
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: And then.

1045
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 3: Both got a little emotional talking about their old days.

1046
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 3: And then I ended up signing that four year deal,

1047
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: and then we ended up winning the championship and in

1048
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 3: year one and so it's yeah, it worked out perfect.

1049
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 3: And then of course I knew I wasn't going to

1050
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: go anywhere after winning the championship. That would have been

1051
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 3: the only reason to go somewhere at the end to

1052
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 3: chase something or maybe chase a ring. But since since

1053
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: we got it done here, I never I never had

1054
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: to do that.

1055
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: Luca. Uh, he came in your last season, extremely talented.

1056
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: We talked about off camera, Jackson, did you see this?

1057
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know if we saw to this extent,

1058
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: but he's been special. What is your relationship with him like?

1059
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: And what what how's it been just being able to

1060
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: see him play night in, night out.

1061
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when once we uh, my my end of

1062
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: career wasn't pretty. You know, we're struggling. There was some

1063
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 3: talk of tanking going on and you know, just things

1064
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 3: didn't go well here for this franchise, and uh and

1065
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: we we needed a little spark block to change things.

1066
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 3: And uh and here I didn't. I didn't think that

1067
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 3: was gonna be this kid. I didn't think it's gonna

1068
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 3: be this kid. When he walked in the first time

1069
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 3: here in this practic facility. You know, he looked at

1070
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 3: his sick. He's a big boy. But I'm like, I'm

1071
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: not sure this is gonna work. Is he quick enough?

1072
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: Is he athletic enough to go by guys like he

1073
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 3: is in Europe? And so there were there were plenty

1074
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 3: of doubts there from from everybody on the team. And

1075
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 3: you know how you meet already before training camp starts. Uh,

1076
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: you know, you meet a month before and you hoop

1077
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: every day and you work out together. And so guys

1078
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 3: were trying to test him a little bit and you know,

1079
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: foul him a little bit here and there, and their

1080
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: scrimmages and and you can already see that this kid's

1081
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 3: got something about him. He's got that swag, he knows

1082
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 3: how to play. He was he was getting some in

1083
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 3: one mixtape, passes out of nowhere, And I'm like, he

1084
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: was he was flashing some of the talent. So we

1085
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: were we were we were thinking, man, he's he's going

1086
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 3: to be a really good player. But I didn't think

1087
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 3: he was going to go to that level mass right,

1088
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: I mean he's a couple. Yeah. I think it was

1089
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 3: last season or before he averaged triple double for an

1090
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: entire month. I mean, I didn't see that coming. So

1091
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: in my first year, unfortunately, my last my last year,

1092
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 3: his first year, I was I was hurt a lot.

1093
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 3: I missed the first thirty forty games, so I didn't

1094
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 3: really get to spend you know, I didn't even go

1095
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 3: on road trips the first couple of months, so that

1096
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: was a little tough. I didn't really get to spend

1097
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 3: as much time around him as I wanted to. But

1098
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 3: I mean that was his time to shine. You know.

1099
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: We looked to him and he you know, he took

1100
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 3: the ball and took it from there. And yeah, just

1101
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: really proud of how he developed and my role with him.

1102
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: I guess we're friends. We're cool, we're you know, when

1103
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 3: I'm town, we go to dinners or whatever. Mentor would

1104
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 3: be a little strong because he doesn't really need me.

1105
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 3: I mean he's as you guys see, he plays like

1106
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 3: a thirty two year old veteran, how he reads the game,

1107
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 3: how he carries himself on the court, And I mean

1108
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 3: I didn't really I wish. I would love to say

1109
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 3: I helped him and talk to him about it, but

1110
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 3: it's just the guy just came. He's been a pro

1111
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 3: since he's like eleven years old, and that's how he

1112
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: plays the game like there's nothing can rattle him during

1113
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 3: the game and he just does his thing. And so

1114
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: his his development has been incredible, and I didn't think

1115
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 3: he could get better from year to ear, but he's

1116
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 3: still showing it and I'm super happy for him.

1117
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 4: How you do anything is how you do everything. That's

1118
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 4: cute saying talk about it.

1119
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Mark obviously has been a big influence

1120
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 3: on my career and my life as well. Uh he

1121
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 3: bought the team in my second year, and we've developed

1122
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 3: a great friendship and relationship and uh he was always

1123
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: my number one supporter when stuff was going right. Uh

1124
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 3: even off the floor, he was there helping me out

1125
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: with stuff and uh so he was a big influence

1126
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 3: for me and he was always loyal to me. So yeah,

1127
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 3: we've we've had a great friendship. I mean, I say

1128
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 3: this all the time, how many owners go to their

1129
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 3: best players bachelor party in Vegas? But he was there.

1130
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: A bit.

1131
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we had a special bond and relationship and

1132
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 3: and so yeah, and that's at the beginning. He was

1133
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 3: literally so fired up when he bought the team. He

1134
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 3: was at every practice, at every road game, he was

1135
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: sitting in the players sections, on the on the plane,

1136
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: and so he was he was constantly around. And his

1137
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: energy and and you know, his savvness is the way

1138
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 3: he cares himself kind of also obviously carried over to

1139
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: the team. So he was he was a big influence

1140
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: on being on the Mavericks sport.

1141
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: He said something that kind of surprised me when he

1142
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: said when he first got the team because it was

1143
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: new to him. So he said, guys like you and

1144
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 1: Steve and Mike kind of helped him learn the ropes

1145
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: and what it's like in the locker room and how

1146
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: players like things and and it was refreshing for me

1147
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: to hear, because you think, someone who's got a bunch

1148
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: of money and this is my team or my way.

1149
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: He was more really almost like a player's owner, so

1150
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: to speak, as far as kind of getting to really

1151
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: know what you guys like and dislike.

1152
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 3: He yeah, he changed everything, you know, and when when

1153
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 3: I first got here, you know, we were doing the

1154
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: bare minimum. We were staying you know, Marriotts and all that,

1155
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 3: and we had the flight flights that everybody had, those

1156
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 3: old planes. And then he was like, okay, we need

1157
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 3: to change some stuff around. I want to I want

1158
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: to put I want free agents to come here and

1159
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: look at Dallas is the spot to be. And so

1160
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 3: he just started to turn everything around. Money at that

1161
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 3: point at the beginning didn't matter at all. He bought

1162
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 3: a new plane, he built a new arena. We started

1163
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 3: to stay at these nice hotels. We started have good

1164
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: catering after we didn't have any food my first.

1165
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: Team.

1166
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, we started that. He wanted to show basically the

1167
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: visiting teams, hey, you know, we take care of you

1168
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 3: guys here. It's just a little imagine what it's like.

1169
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 3: He just planning a little seed, you know, Hey, hey guys,

1170
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 3: we will take care of you guys here. So and

1171
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 3: so he was just like I said, resources were not

1172
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 3: the problem. He put everything in and he took care

1173
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 3: of his players and he took him made that trade

1174
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: with Washington when we got jrew On where we took

1175
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: a bunch of money back and it cost us a

1176
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 3: ton of money or him obviously, but he showed him

1177
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 3: I'm willing to pay whatever I wanted to win, and

1178
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 3: so that was a fun atmosphere I think for for

1179
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 3: US players to be around. And I always say I

1180
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 3: had a fun time playing my twenty one years, But

1181
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: those first couple of years when when you're part of something,

1182
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: you're turning it around. We were garbage for for a

1183
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 3: whole decade in the nineties, and then slowly, surely Steve,

1184
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 3: Mike and I we get better. We turn things around.

1185
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 3: You see that, you know stuff is happening. People get

1186
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 3: excited in the city. Those are some of the best

1187
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 3: years I had in the NBA.

1188
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: Really dope.

1189
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 4: I was always I was almost your teammate in twenty fourteen.

1190
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 4: Oh no almost, So we heard you beat up the trade. Thanks,

1191
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 4: I must have betailed that.

1192
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: Before. Obviously, thank you for your time. Before we get

1193
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: to these quick hitters. Obviously, when you're in the mix

1194
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: and you're almost on the Hampshire Wilder in your career,

1195
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: you never get to kind of sit back and appreciate,

1196
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, what you've accomplished. You know, you've been removed

1197
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: for a handful of years now, like when you look

1198
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: back on your career, like what what do you think

1199
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: about when comes to your mind?

1200
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 3: It's been a heck of a ride, and it's very

1201
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 3: fortunate obviously to be here and being staying in one

1202
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 3: spot and you know, staying solarty, stay sort of you know,

1203
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 3: injury free throughout my whole ride. So it's been, Yeah,

1204
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 3: it's been. I was blessed and it's one of an

1205
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 3: incredible ride. And to me, topped it off this summer

1206
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 3: with with the Hall of Fame. I think now to

1207
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 3: me that that was sort of the closure. My first

1208
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: half of my life is over with this and couldn't

1209
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 3: have gone any better, honestly, you know. So I'm extremely

1210
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 3: happy and of course proud, and my family is super

1211
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 3: proud of out of Germany, I was able to play

1212
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 3: in the NBA for twenty one year. It's been a

1213
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 3: hell of a ride. And we'll see what the next

1214
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 3: chapter looks like.

1215
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 4: Now, how does it feel to be the best European

1216
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 4: player ever?

1217
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 3: Well, you know, now it's gonna be tough, you know,

1218
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 3: to keep that are yeah, keep that up? Now with

1219
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: the with the generation that we have coming now. I mean,

1220
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: but it's it's yeah, it's it's if before me there

1221
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 3: was some fun European players like shremp was one of

1222
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 3: my idol songs from the Josh and Petrovitch was a

1223
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 3: stud Kukach. I mean there there were great players. And

1224
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 3: then you know, if if if I came in and

1225
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 3: Tony Parker Gasol, if we came in and sort of

1226
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: helped these other guys now a little bit, or inspired

1227
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: them in a way or motivated them in a way,

1228
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 3: that that's that's obviously thrilling and humbling to hear. So

1229
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 3: if we were part of somebody else's journey, and that's

1230
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 3: that's been amazing. And now we have you know, j

1231
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 3: and jokerchen.

1232
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: Bro on the back.

1233
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: Bro you killed in the NBA for a long time.

1234
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a yeah, it was a long time.

1235
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 3: But like I said, it's been so many opened the

1236
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 3: door for me. And if I pushed the door open

1237
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 3: it even a little wider, then that's that's humbling.

1238
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: All right.

1239
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: Well, quick hitters, first thing to come to mind, let

1240
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: us know and we'll get you out of here. The

1241
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: biggest risk you've ever taken.

1242
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 3: No question, coming to the NBA, coming out on you though,

1243
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 3: coming out of the second division in Germany, I mean

1244
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: that was that was a wi I'll move, but I

1245
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 3: ended up ended up working with pretty well.

1246
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: For you, you have an it? What's your guilty pleasure?

1247
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 3: I'm a big food guy. Ice cream, I mean, are

1248
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 3: not good?

1249
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: Not good? Worst piece of advice you've ever heard.

1250
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 3: Worst piece of advice, I'm not sure. Yeah, nothing, Yeah.

1251
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 3: Just to see yourself as a work in progress. Really,

1252
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 3: always keep improving, never be satisfied. Uh you know. I

1253
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: always see yourself as a as a learning guy, even

1254
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 3: now in life. Try something new, try to learn different things.

1255
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: Never see yourself as a finished product.

1256
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: Dallas mavericks all time. Starting five.

1257
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 3: With me or without me, with you, I mean, I

1258
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 3: played with some some stuff, so I'm gonna have to

1259
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: go probably a small lineup. Snashy is obviously one of

1260
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 3: my best buddies. He is the one Jake Kidd Hall

1261
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 3: of Famer. He played the two. He can guard the

1262
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 3: two's now they can both handle the ball. My guy,

1263
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 3: Finley is was play the three. I mean he helped

1264
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 3: me so much growing up and he wasn't He was

1265
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: basically the man when I got here, and then I

1266
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 3: mean there's a lot of guys if I if I

1267
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 3: played the four, then there's a lot of guys for

1268
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 3: the fifth spot, you know, like a Jets or I mean, yeah,

1269
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 3: this Nick Vannox. That was amazing for us those couple

1270
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 3: of years he was here. Yeah, that's that's a tough one.

1271
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 3: But it's a really small lineup. But those those are

1272
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 3: probably my four or five.

1273
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, how good with Josh Howard.

1274
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 3: I love Josh. Love Josh. You know, he played with

1275
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 3: a chip on his shoulder because he he was pissed

1276
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 3: off that he was drafted so late. You know, he

1277
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 3: thought he had a great couple of years there at

1278
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,479
Speaker 3: Wake Forest and then he dropped almost you know, into

1279
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: the first round and what I'm gonna show everybody? And

1280
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 3: then that's how he approached every game. He was going

1281
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 3: at people's necks, and we love that. He was our defender.

1282
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,479
Speaker 3: He was long, he was versatile, and I love Josh.

1283
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 3: He's still around here. I've never thought he'd be he'd

1284
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 3: get into coaching because he was at times, i'd say

1285
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 3: a little a little tough to coach. Uh, he's coaching

1286
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 3: some college around here. So I run into him every

1287
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 3: now and then, and apparently he's great and they love him,

1288
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 3: and but I didn't see I didn't see Stack becoming

1289
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 3: the coach either. I say some of these guys were

1290
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 3: a little tough on their own coaches then, but okay

1291
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 3: now now they now they head coaches.

1292
01:01:55,160 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: Childhood crush, oh Shore childhood crush.

1293
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 3: And I mean the nineties. I mean it was a

1294
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 3: little Kim Foxy exactly exactly exactly see what else.

1295
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: She was und picture this.

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Speaker 2: I'm having one of those moments. Yeah, something you wish

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Speaker 2: you were better at mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: In life or something anything, maybe a better communicator in life.

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Speaker 3: I think I take a lot of stuff in in myself.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't love sharing my feelings too much.

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Speaker 3: And I know over over my my life that's driven

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Speaker 3: my career, my my family nuts a little bit. So

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Speaker 3: I wish I was communicating my feelings a little better.

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Speaker 3: I think that's that's that's that's one that's I need

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Speaker 3: to work on.

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Speaker 1: That's me and period period five dias dead alive.

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Speaker 3: I mean, i'd say Michael Jordan obviously, I mean he

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Speaker 3: was he's my hero, is my goat always. I'd say

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Speaker 3: mommad Ali Oh and then there's a there's so many

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Speaker 3: greats out there.

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Speaker 2: Just because you was at Cubans.

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Speaker 1: We asked him by his pipe, he had you at

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Speaker 1: his table.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's sweet. I would not have him on my table.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. I was a big tennis guy, so

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Roger Federer. Yeah, I mean, unbelievable,

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Speaker 3: A big, big tennis fan. Growing up. I was a

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Speaker 3: big Boris Becker fan. So that's four mainly sports and

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Speaker 3: the fifth do uh maybe Tiger Woods?

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Speaker 2: Nice, that's a table. If you could see one guest

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Speaker 2: on our show, who would it be?

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Speaker 1: But you have to help us get your answer on

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Speaker 1: the show. Can't be shy?

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Speaker 3: Okay, who hasn't been on the show.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, excuse me?

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Speaker 3: Okay, you guys trying to get Luca.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he said Luke, I ain't. I wouldn't even know

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Speaker 1: what she was going to say.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll see. He is still in the phase you

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Speaker 3: know where he's a little shy.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've been there.

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Speaker 3: I came here, and you know, sometimes if it's just

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Speaker 3: English the second language, you're almost a little you're scared

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Speaker 3: to say something wrong. Yeah, and then and then I

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Speaker 3: think he's already gotten a little looser in interviews from

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Speaker 3: his first year or first two years, so I think

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Speaker 3: eventually he'll get there. We'll have some fun with you, guys,

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Speaker 3: it's just not.

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Speaker 2: This is the show to let loose on though.

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Speaker 1: It's a show the funk up we understand anybody Well,

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Speaker 1: Dirk Man, we want to thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you're busy, but also just give you your flowers. Man,

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Speaker 1: Obviously everything you did for this franchise, but the league

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Speaker 1: and you know obviously the international influx now of talent

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Speaker 1: and like you said, if you kicked it open a

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Speaker 1: little bit, but we know you kicked it open a lot.

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Speaker 1: But man, it was a pleasure to battle against you

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Speaker 1: and want you play. And congratulations on just the career

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Speaker 1: and the family and everything.

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Speaker 2: Man, well deserve. I appreciate you. Bro.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap. The one and only Dirk Newiskey. He

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Speaker 1: can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the iHeart platform.

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