1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:21,915 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Obviously, 2 00:00:22,035 --> 00:00:25,995 Speaker 1: President Biden must fire Attorney General Garland and Deputy Attorney 3 00:00:26,035 --> 00:00:28,835 Speaker 1: General Monaco, and not merely because neither of them can 4 00:00:28,875 --> 00:00:33,355 Speaker 1: possibly continue after yesterday's revelations in the Washington Post, just 5 00:00:33,395 --> 00:00:36,715 Speaker 1: as none of us can possibly continue holding our breaths 6 00:00:36,795 --> 00:00:40,755 Speaker 1: wondering what about the Trump and January sixth prosecutions they 7 00:00:40,795 --> 00:00:45,395 Speaker 1: will screw up next. They also have to go because 8 00:00:45,475 --> 00:00:49,195 Speaker 1: the damnable record in that newspaper of their languid responses 9 00:00:49,235 --> 00:00:52,675 Speaker 1: proves one thing above all else two years and nearly 10 00:00:52,835 --> 00:00:56,595 Speaker 1: six months after the first attempted coup, and Merrick, Garland 11 00:00:56,675 --> 00:01:00,555 Speaker 1: and Monaco still do not understand that this is about 12 00:01:00,995 --> 00:01:08,955 Speaker 1: self defense, self defense of justice, self defense of democracy, 13 00:01:09,475 --> 00:01:13,795 Speaker 1: self defense of America. If that is not your attitude 14 00:01:13,795 --> 00:01:15,995 Speaker 1: about the response to Trump and the coup attempt that 15 00:01:16,195 --> 00:01:19,075 Speaker 1: was and the coup attempt that will be, get out. 16 00:01:19,835 --> 00:01:24,315 Speaker 1: Get out. If you are in the White House and 17 00:01:24,395 --> 00:01:26,915 Speaker 1: you do not understand that the point was and will 18 00:01:26,955 --> 00:01:30,515 Speaker 1: be to eliminate elections and if possible, to eliminate you, 19 00:01:31,035 --> 00:01:34,315 Speaker 1: get out. If you are in the news media and 20 00:01:34,395 --> 00:01:36,635 Speaker 1: you do not understand that the point was and will 21 00:01:36,635 --> 00:01:39,275 Speaker 1: be to eliminate the news media, and if possible, to 22 00:01:39,315 --> 00:01:43,715 Speaker 1: eliminate you. Get out, But especially if you are in 23 00:01:43,755 --> 00:01:47,035 Speaker 1: the Justice Department and you don't understand that the point 24 00:01:47,195 --> 00:01:52,235 Speaker 1: was and will be to eliminate you, If you don't 25 00:01:52,355 --> 00:01:55,635 Speaker 1: understand that the ultimate goal of Trump and the creatures 26 00:01:55,675 --> 00:01:58,955 Speaker 1: around him is to take the limitless finances they have 27 00:01:59,035 --> 00:02:01,875 Speaker 1: been given and the limitless time they have been given 28 00:02:01,955 --> 00:02:06,075 Speaker 1: by you, and walk someday into the Justice Department or 29 00:02:06,075 --> 00:02:09,395 Speaker 1: whatever white shoe law firm you have escaped to and 30 00:02:09,555 --> 00:02:12,635 Speaker 1: hand you a piece of paper bearing a fascist order 31 00:02:12,755 --> 00:02:15,715 Speaker 1: signed by a fascist judge, convicting you of being an 32 00:02:15,755 --> 00:02:19,915 Speaker 1: official Trump brand enemy the people, and authorizing the Trump 33 00:02:19,955 --> 00:02:23,275 Speaker 1: Police to hang you on the spot. If you don't 34 00:02:23,315 --> 00:02:27,955 Speaker 1: realize that is the plan, if you don't realize that, 35 00:02:27,995 --> 00:02:30,835 Speaker 1: you had better approach this as self defense, because in 36 00:02:30,875 --> 00:02:33,355 Speaker 1: your case, and in my case, and in the case 37 00:02:33,395 --> 00:02:37,435 Speaker 1: of god knows how many politically active Americans, it quite 38 00:02:37,555 --> 00:02:47,035 Speaker 1: literally is self defense. If you don't understand that, get out, 39 00:02:48,755 --> 00:02:52,395 Speaker 1: because you will have rendered this nation, at its time 40 00:02:52,555 --> 00:02:58,795 Speaker 1: of greatest peril, defenseless, just as the Coalition of h 41 00:02:59,115 --> 00:03:04,955 Speaker 1: gears up for another attack. Because then you will have 42 00:03:05,035 --> 00:03:07,355 Speaker 1: nowhere to hide from them, because the rest of us, 43 00:03:07,355 --> 00:03:10,435 Speaker 1: whom you have left without defense, will be fending for 44 00:03:10,675 --> 00:03:16,235 Speaker 1: our selves. And Merrick Garland and Lisa Monico have to 45 00:03:16,275 --> 00:03:20,675 Speaker 1: go first, because I don't know what's left for them 46 00:03:20,715 --> 00:03:23,595 Speaker 1: to screw up here. But I'm sure Garland will find 47 00:03:23,635 --> 00:03:26,395 Speaker 1: something in his style book for the Department of Justice 48 00:03:26,435 --> 00:03:30,395 Speaker 1: that says, unless you deliver that subpoena by pony express, 49 00:03:30,835 --> 00:03:35,115 Speaker 1: you can't move against a criminally insane ex president unless 50 00:03:35,155 --> 00:03:38,035 Speaker 1: you make sure you wait just long enough that there's 51 00:03:38,155 --> 00:03:41,155 Speaker 1: no way any of the verdicts can be rendered until 52 00:03:41,195 --> 00:03:44,075 Speaker 1: after the election that might put him back in office, 53 00:03:44,155 --> 00:03:47,515 Speaker 1: upon which he will have the charges with John, or 54 00:03:47,555 --> 00:03:50,395 Speaker 1: he will pardon himself, or he will simply ignore all 55 00:03:50,435 --> 00:03:53,515 Speaker 1: the laws all at once and tell you to take 56 00:03:53,595 --> 00:03:58,115 Speaker 1: him to the Supreme Court. No, the new Supreme Court, 57 00:03:58,515 --> 00:04:01,595 Speaker 1: the one for which he has appointed all fifteen justices. 58 00:04:05,075 --> 00:04:07,635 Speaker 1: I've gotten ahead of myself slightly. If you have not 59 00:04:07,795 --> 00:04:09,875 Speaker 1: read the piece in the Washington Post, I urge you 60 00:04:09,955 --> 00:04:12,155 Speaker 1: to do so. It will confirm your worst fears and 61 00:04:12,235 --> 00:04:16,475 Speaker 1: guarantee you your worst nightmares. But in addition to a 62 00:04:16,555 --> 00:04:20,355 Speaker 1: maddening week by week timeline, of the inaction at the 63 00:04:20,435 --> 00:04:23,835 Speaker 1: FBI and the DOJ in twenty twenty one, and most 64 00:04:23,875 --> 00:04:26,715 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, in action that reads like the 65 00:04:26,755 --> 00:04:30,195 Speaker 1: captain's log of the Titanic or the investigations of flight 66 00:04:30,275 --> 00:04:35,275 Speaker 1: schools pre nine eleven. The story underscores that the Department 67 00:04:35,315 --> 00:04:39,795 Speaker 1: of Justice is not some temple of truth where men 68 00:04:39,875 --> 00:04:44,955 Speaker 1: of insight and imagination respond to threats and attacks, but 69 00:04:45,035 --> 00:04:47,755 Speaker 1: it's just a home for people who know the law 70 00:04:48,195 --> 00:04:53,395 Speaker 1: the way Kindergartner is no painting. Wing number twelve is aquamarine, 71 00:04:53,795 --> 00:04:57,515 Speaker 1: and butterfly number thirty seven is burnt umber. And congratulations, 72 00:04:57,715 --> 00:05:00,995 Speaker 1: you got one hundred even though you're colorblind. You put 73 00:05:01,035 --> 00:05:03,915 Speaker 1: color number twelve on wing number twelve. You want to 74 00:05:03,955 --> 00:05:10,795 Speaker 1: be Solicitor General. The Post article also underscores three things 75 00:05:10,835 --> 00:05:14,515 Speaker 1: about the Justice Department under Merrick Garland, and about so 76 00:05:14,675 --> 00:05:17,875 Speaker 1: much of twenty first century America that maybe you had 77 00:05:17,875 --> 00:05:21,275 Speaker 1: hoped were not true or would not take priority when 78 00:05:21,275 --> 00:05:24,555 Speaker 1: the entire structure of our nation and representative government itself 79 00:05:24,875 --> 00:05:29,635 Speaker 1: came under unprecedented express One of these things is that 80 00:05:29,675 --> 00:05:32,555 Speaker 1: the DOJ assumed that either our system of government was 81 00:05:32,635 --> 00:05:37,715 Speaker 1: inviolable and impregnable, or that no American would actually try 82 00:05:37,755 --> 00:05:41,835 Speaker 1: to destroy it. Both assumptions are asinine, of course, and 83 00:05:41,875 --> 00:05:46,595 Speaker 1: were disproven by the afternoon of January twentieth, twenty seventeen. 84 00:05:46,795 --> 00:05:50,315 Speaker 1: The afternoon of January sixth, twenty twenty one was just confirmation. 85 00:05:53,195 --> 00:05:57,115 Speaker 1: The second sad confirmation is that men like Merrick Garland, 86 00:05:57,115 --> 00:06:00,035 Speaker 1: who really believed that whatever else he was, Donald Trump 87 00:06:00,115 --> 00:06:04,315 Speaker 1: was bound by some words he had said that he'd 88 00:06:04,355 --> 00:06:06,915 Speaker 1: never think thought of before while he put his hand 89 00:06:06,995 --> 00:06:11,235 Speaker 1: on some book he'd never seen before. People like Merrick 90 00:06:11,275 --> 00:06:14,235 Speaker 1: Garland also believed that once Trump was gone, the nation 91 00:06:14,315 --> 00:06:17,675 Speaker 1: would just snap back into its own regular shape and 92 00:06:17,755 --> 00:06:23,515 Speaker 1: we'd never be threatened again. And Garland believed both of 93 00:06:23,555 --> 00:06:27,715 Speaker 1: those things because of the third confirmation in the Post story. 94 00:06:28,035 --> 00:06:32,515 Speaker 1: Merrick Garland knew he would prevail because he had the 95 00:06:32,555 --> 00:06:38,155 Speaker 1: magic rule book, the magic Department of Justice rule book. 96 00:06:39,515 --> 00:06:41,915 Speaker 1: Just follow what it says in the Magic Department of 97 00:06:42,075 --> 00:06:46,675 Speaker 1: Justice rule Book, and all will be well. On March 98 00:06:46,715 --> 00:06:50,075 Speaker 1: twenty first, twenty twenty one, CBS televised an interview with 99 00:06:50,115 --> 00:06:54,795 Speaker 1: the then acting DC United States Attorney Michael Sherwin, who, 100 00:06:54,835 --> 00:06:56,955 Speaker 1: based on the Post's account, was one of the few 101 00:06:57,035 --> 00:07:01,675 Speaker 1: DOJ figures at the time with a pulse. Sherwin believed 102 00:07:01,675 --> 00:07:05,395 Speaker 1: he had had DOJ's support to do that interview. Sherwin 103 00:07:05,795 --> 00:07:09,075 Speaker 1: and the head of the Public Corruption Division, J. P. Cooney, 104 00:07:09,195 --> 00:07:14,235 Speaker 1: who pushed prosecute the rioters, prosecute the leaders of the rioters, 105 00:07:14,435 --> 00:07:18,475 Speaker 1: prosecute those who weren't there, but leading from afar use 106 00:07:18,995 --> 00:07:23,835 Speaker 1: Seditious Conspiracy Act Act. Now the clock is ticking, and 107 00:07:23,875 --> 00:07:27,275 Speaker 1: in the interview with CBS, Sherwin said that investigators had 108 00:07:27,275 --> 00:07:30,435 Speaker 1: obtained enough evidence to prove that at least some of 109 00:07:30,475 --> 00:07:35,155 Speaker 1: the rioters at the Capitol had engaged in sedition and 110 00:07:35,235 --> 00:07:41,195 Speaker 1: Merrit Garland went nuts, not about the sedition, about the interview. 111 00:07:41,955 --> 00:07:46,315 Speaker 1: Quoting the Post, Garland's top deputies were livid, and the 112 00:07:46,355 --> 00:07:50,235 Speaker 1: Attorney General himself was visibly upset. Several people familiar with 113 00:07:50,275 --> 00:07:53,795 Speaker 1: his reaction said the Attorney General, who was painstaking and 114 00:07:53,835 --> 00:07:57,635 Speaker 1: preparing his own public remarks, was especially angry at Sherwin 115 00:07:57,915 --> 00:08:03,035 Speaker 1: for speaking off the cuff. The Post says an underling 116 00:08:03,035 --> 00:08:06,275 Speaker 1: announced quote it appeared that that rules and procedures were 117 00:08:06,315 --> 00:08:09,555 Speaker 1: not complied with regarding the television interview, and that Sherwin 118 00:08:09,875 --> 00:08:13,995 Speaker 1: had been referred to the department's internal Affairs Office Foreign 119 00:08:14,075 --> 00:08:21,755 Speaker 1: Ethics probe. So Merrick Garland investigated dc US attorney Sherwin. 120 00:08:23,075 --> 00:08:26,795 Speaker 1: He did not investigate Donald Trump. He did not investigate 121 00:08:26,835 --> 00:08:30,915 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani. He did not investigate Mark Meadows. He investigated 122 00:08:31,075 --> 00:08:38,475 Speaker 1: Michael Sherwin. Meanwhile, the aforementioned JP Cooney wanted to investigate 123 00:08:38,515 --> 00:08:42,435 Speaker 1: the connection between Rogers Stone and the Oathkeepers. Cooney wanted 124 00:08:42,435 --> 00:08:47,715 Speaker 1: the Oathkeeper's membership lists. The new investigation's chief, Thomas Wyndham, 125 00:08:48,115 --> 00:08:52,315 Speaker 1: noticed the intersections between the fake elector's plan and the 126 00:08:52,355 --> 00:08:55,515 Speaker 1: Trump war room at the Willard Hotel on January sixth, 127 00:08:55,555 --> 00:08:59,475 Speaker 1: and Wyndham wanted to subpoena the billing information from that hotel. 128 00:09:00,595 --> 00:09:05,835 Speaker 1: The response from the DOJ Assistant Director, Stephen Dantono told Wyndham, 129 00:09:06,035 --> 00:09:10,115 Speaker 1: I'm not serving subpoenas on the friggin Willard. One of 130 00:09:10,195 --> 00:09:13,555 Speaker 1: Biden's first appointees at DOJ, Matt Axelrod, was even more 131 00:09:13,675 --> 00:09:18,195 Speaker 1: self righteously and more what a boutistically outraged quote. Imagine 132 00:09:18,195 --> 00:09:21,235 Speaker 1: if we had requested membership lists for Black Lives Matter. 133 00:09:22,395 --> 00:09:25,995 Speaker 1: There it is there. It is at the highest levels 134 00:09:26,035 --> 00:09:29,355 Speaker 1: of the Justice Department. There is the same desire to 135 00:09:29,395 --> 00:09:32,835 Speaker 1: make sure if you've got a Democrat on CNN, you 136 00:09:32,915 --> 00:09:36,995 Speaker 1: know have to have a Republican the same willingness to 137 00:09:37,075 --> 00:09:40,435 Speaker 1: say that Black Lives Matter protests are the same thing, 138 00:09:41,115 --> 00:09:44,995 Speaker 1: or are vaguely reminiscent of, or are in the same 139 00:09:45,155 --> 00:09:49,115 Speaker 1: universe as an attempt to overthrow the government of the 140 00:09:49,195 --> 00:09:53,635 Speaker 1: United States by illegal electoral college subterfuge and by violence, 141 00:09:53,675 --> 00:09:56,595 Speaker 1: and by coercion of federal and state employees, and by 142 00:09:56,675 --> 00:10:02,315 Speaker 1: fraud and by judicial malfeasance, five pronged coup attempt, maybe 143 00:10:02,355 --> 00:10:06,955 Speaker 1: with the military behind it. Over here, surprisingly peaceful protests 144 00:10:06,955 --> 00:10:12,315 Speaker 1: of police murders with occasional tangential connected looting. They're the 145 00:10:12,355 --> 00:10:19,235 Speaker 1: same thing. Robert E. Lee, Martin, Luther King, same guy. 146 00:10:20,195 --> 00:10:22,315 Speaker 1: So we can't subpoena the one if we don't subpoena 147 00:10:22,435 --> 00:10:25,715 Speaker 1: the other. And the magic rule Book says we can't 148 00:10:25,755 --> 00:10:29,995 Speaker 1: subpoena the other. The rule Book is our sanctified version 149 00:10:29,995 --> 00:10:33,155 Speaker 1: of making sure every New York Times story has a 150 00:10:33,195 --> 00:10:37,755 Speaker 1: rebuttal from that Ohio diner. It is the same kind 151 00:10:37,835 --> 00:10:41,235 Speaker 1: of life and death struggle to protect what really matters 152 00:10:41,235 --> 00:10:46,515 Speaker 1: in this nation, our institutional image at the Department of Justice, 153 00:10:46,875 --> 00:10:49,435 Speaker 1: and the rule book, ladies and gentlemen of the Department, 154 00:10:49,515 --> 00:10:51,915 Speaker 1: is all that stands between us here inside the Department 155 00:10:51,915 --> 00:10:55,515 Speaker 1: of Justice and the greatest nightmare that could befall our nation, 156 00:10:56,595 --> 00:11:00,595 Speaker 1: damage to the reputation of the Department of Justice. Without 157 00:11:00,675 --> 00:11:03,395 Speaker 1: our institutional reputation, we might as well be living in 158 00:11:03,395 --> 00:11:07,275 Speaker 1: the jungle. And and I didn't hear anything else that 159 00:11:07,355 --> 00:11:09,835 Speaker 1: bureaucrat said, because that's when one of the Trump guys 160 00:11:09,875 --> 00:11:11,955 Speaker 1: burst into the conference room and hit him in the 161 00:11:11,995 --> 00:11:18,955 Speaker 1: head with a flagpole. It was not the eighteenth century 162 00:11:18,995 --> 00:11:22,555 Speaker 1: Irish statesman and philosopher Edmund Burke who said the only 163 00:11:22,635 --> 00:11:25,355 Speaker 1: thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good 164 00:11:25,435 --> 00:11:28,795 Speaker 1: men to do nothing. And it doesn't really matter if 165 00:11:28,795 --> 00:11:32,395 Speaker 1: he said it or whoever else might have, because whoever 166 00:11:32,475 --> 00:11:38,195 Speaker 1: said it, he was talking about Merrick Garland inside the 167 00:11:38,275 --> 00:11:41,075 Speaker 1: Justice Department, The Post wrote yesterday, in a passage that 168 00:11:41,155 --> 00:11:43,115 Speaker 1: would have been laugh out loud funny if it had 169 00:11:43,115 --> 00:11:47,395 Speaker 1: not been so earnestly, thoroughly and tragically true. Some have 170 00:11:47,515 --> 00:11:50,875 Speaker 1: complained that the Attorney General's determination to steer clear of 171 00:11:50,995 --> 00:11:55,115 Speaker 1: any claims of political motive has chilled efforts to investigate 172 00:11:55,155 --> 00:12:00,795 Speaker 1: the former president. Quote you couldn't use the TEA word, 173 00:12:01,715 --> 00:12:05,075 Speaker 1: said one former Justice official briefed on prosecutors discuss essions. 174 00:12:07,515 --> 00:12:15,555 Speaker 1: You couldn't use the T word, Can I use the 175 00:12:15,715 --> 00:12:21,955 Speaker 1: F word? Fire Merrick Garland, because whether he planned it 176 00:12:21,995 --> 00:12:24,115 Speaker 1: this way or he did not, we now do not 177 00:12:24,355 --> 00:12:28,315 Speaker 1: have enough time to put Donald Trump in prison before 178 00:12:28,355 --> 00:12:32,795 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election. We don't caught red handed 179 00:12:33,035 --> 00:12:35,435 Speaker 1: twenty seven different times in two hundred and twenty seven 180 00:12:35,675 --> 00:12:40,315 Speaker 1: different plots, confessed again last night, and we're still going 181 00:12:40,355 --> 00:12:42,395 Speaker 1: to have to beat this son of a bitch in 182 00:12:42,435 --> 00:12:46,195 Speaker 1: a political battle that a whole group of fascists understands 183 00:12:46,875 --> 00:12:51,555 Speaker 1: is life or death for them, their paradise of authoritarian 184 00:12:51,835 --> 00:12:57,755 Speaker 1: rule of America for life, or their death figurative or literal, 185 00:12:57,915 --> 00:13:01,555 Speaker 1: at the hands of the Justice Department after Merrick Garland 186 00:13:01,715 --> 00:13:08,635 Speaker 1: finishes dusting the magic rule book. By the way, the 187 00:13:08,675 --> 00:13:12,675 Speaker 1: Post article does have heroes, any one of whom could 188 00:13:12,675 --> 00:13:16,435 Speaker 1: be the next Attorney General, and I'd be fine with it. 189 00:13:16,435 --> 00:13:19,555 Speaker 1: It is clear that early last year, when US District 190 00:13:19,635 --> 00:13:22,435 Speaker 1: Judge David O. Carter set off a big enough fire 191 00:13:22,555 --> 00:13:25,715 Speaker 1: in Garland's office to get him to actually move on 192 00:13:25,795 --> 00:13:30,555 Speaker 1: the elector's coup, that was because he was reviewing John 193 00:13:30,635 --> 00:13:34,355 Speaker 1: Eastman's emails, and Judge Carter said Trump had quote more 194 00:13:34,475 --> 00:13:37,675 Speaker 1: likely than not unquote committed federal crimes in trying to 195 00:13:37,755 --> 00:13:41,595 Speaker 1: obstruct or alter the count of the electoral College. Even 196 00:13:41,635 --> 00:13:47,555 Speaker 1: Garland noticed, this is fine if we somehow do still 197 00:13:47,555 --> 00:13:51,115 Speaker 1: save the democracy despite this catalog of dj forrest blindness. 198 00:13:51,955 --> 00:13:56,075 Speaker 1: The Post article reminds us Benny Thompson and Liz Cheney 199 00:13:56,275 --> 00:14:00,715 Speaker 1: and Jamie Raskin and Cassidy Hutchinson and Eric Hirshman and 200 00:14:00,795 --> 00:14:03,755 Speaker 1: the rest of them should have statues built for them 201 00:14:05,115 --> 00:14:11,675 Speaker 1: right now today. Well, that slim chance remains that something 202 00:14:11,795 --> 00:14:17,595 Speaker 1: more can go wrong. Fire Merrick Garland now, because at 203 00:14:17,635 --> 00:14:21,355 Speaker 1: the heart of it, he is what has gone wrong, 204 00:14:22,635 --> 00:14:26,595 Speaker 1: and thanks to the Post, we now know exactly what 205 00:14:27,035 --> 00:14:31,795 Speaker 1: he screwed up, and I for one do not want 206 00:14:31,835 --> 00:14:40,675 Speaker 1: to find out what he can screw up next. Either way, 207 00:14:40,675 --> 00:14:43,715 Speaker 1: there seems to be much handwringing because they're rather useful 208 00:14:43,715 --> 00:14:47,195 Speaker 1: but on inspiring. Charlie Savage New York Times piece on 209 00:14:47,275 --> 00:14:50,355 Speaker 1: the complications of prosecuting Trump or anybody else and using 210 00:14:50,395 --> 00:14:54,715 Speaker 1: classified information to do it, mentions in its eighth paragraph 211 00:14:54,755 --> 00:14:59,195 Speaker 1: the term plea deal. A defense lawyer with security clearance 212 00:14:59,275 --> 00:15:03,595 Speaker 1: underscores how complicated classified document cases are by saying, quote, 213 00:15:03,995 --> 00:15:07,555 Speaker 1: it's routine, if not invariable, that you'll get a plea 214 00:15:07,595 --> 00:15:10,275 Speaker 1: offer in a case in which the government says, if 215 00:15:10,315 --> 00:15:13,115 Speaker 1: we have to provide classified discovery to you, this offer 216 00:15:13,155 --> 00:15:14,835 Speaker 1: is no longer on the table, and those can be 217 00:15:14,955 --> 00:15:18,355 Speaker 1: very attractive plea offers unquote. This does not mean they 218 00:15:18,395 --> 00:15:22,755 Speaker 1: are offering Trump a plea deal, which, given the fact 219 00:15:22,795 --> 00:15:25,835 Speaker 1: that Merrick Garland has run our clock out for us, 220 00:15:26,355 --> 00:15:29,475 Speaker 1: might be a wonderful thing if it forever kept Trump 221 00:15:29,515 --> 00:15:33,115 Speaker 1: out of office. Again. More importantly, it does not mean 222 00:15:33,155 --> 00:15:35,155 Speaker 1: he would ever accept one. Trump is still at that 223 00:15:35,195 --> 00:15:37,315 Speaker 1: stage he was the day after the Miami indictments, in 224 00:15:37,315 --> 00:15:39,515 Speaker 1: which he insisted he might consider a plea deal in 225 00:15:39,555 --> 00:15:42,435 Speaker 1: which they gave him a lot of money. That's how 226 00:15:42,475 --> 00:15:48,035 Speaker 1: crazy he was. That's how crazy he is. Trump is insane. 227 00:15:48,115 --> 00:15:51,435 Speaker 1: You need to remind yourself that every day, Good morning world. 228 00:15:51,515 --> 00:15:55,795 Speaker 1: Trump is insane. He did an interview with Brett bar 229 00:15:55,995 --> 00:15:58,595 Speaker 1: for Fox last night and said, quote, the only way 230 00:15:58,635 --> 00:16:03,435 Speaker 1: the Archives could ever get this stuff back would be, please, please, please, 231 00:16:03,475 --> 00:16:07,675 Speaker 1: could we have it back? Unquote. Apart from the fact 232 00:16:07,675 --> 00:16:12,435 Speaker 1: that he confessed again, and that they did ask him please, please, 233 00:16:12,475 --> 00:16:17,315 Speaker 1: please for months. The necessity of cruelty to his existence 234 00:16:17,795 --> 00:16:20,555 Speaker 1: is on display in that sentence. Oh, he might do 235 00:16:20,635 --> 00:16:25,435 Speaker 1: it if you plead and grubble enough. This is whom 236 00:16:25,475 --> 00:16:28,955 Speaker 1: Merrick Garland did not want to be seen being unfair to. 237 00:16:31,675 --> 00:16:34,195 Speaker 1: Although Trump was smart enough to lie to Fox and 238 00:16:34,235 --> 00:16:37,675 Speaker 1: deny he ever had actual, physical, secret plans for a 239 00:16:37,715 --> 00:16:40,835 Speaker 1: war on Iran and to deny that he ever admitted 240 00:16:40,875 --> 00:16:43,715 Speaker 1: he had those plans, even though it's on tape, Trump 241 00:16:43,795 --> 00:16:47,315 Speaker 1: confessed a couple more times, just for good measure, or 242 00:16:47,355 --> 00:16:50,035 Speaker 1: maybe just to remind us what an idiot Merrit Garland is. 243 00:16:52,395 --> 00:16:56,395 Speaker 1: Bear asked him, why didn't you just give it all back? Quote, 244 00:16:56,395 --> 00:16:58,835 Speaker 1: because I had boxes. I want to go through the 245 00:16:58,875 --> 00:17:01,275 Speaker 1: boxes and get all my personal things out. I don't 246 00:17:01,315 --> 00:17:03,275 Speaker 1: want to hand that over to Nara yet. And I 247 00:17:03,355 --> 00:17:06,075 Speaker 1: was very busy, as you've sort of before I send 248 00:17:06,075 --> 00:17:09,995 Speaker 1: boxes over, I have to take all my things out. 249 00:17:10,115 --> 00:17:15,995 Speaker 1: These boxes were interspersed with all sorts of things. He 250 00:17:16,115 --> 00:17:20,675 Speaker 1: has a psychopathic attachment to artifacts and documents and records 251 00:17:20,675 --> 00:17:24,395 Speaker 1: and filings. One psychologist I know explained to me that 252 00:17:24,435 --> 00:17:27,315 Speaker 1: people like that are obsessed with the personal possession of 253 00:17:27,355 --> 00:17:31,075 Speaker 1: physical records in that way, because it doesn't just validate 254 00:17:31,155 --> 00:17:35,675 Speaker 1: their existence, but because their own connection to reality and 255 00:17:35,795 --> 00:17:41,915 Speaker 1: the other people in the world is so tenuous that 256 00:17:41,995 --> 00:17:44,315 Speaker 1: it is sometimes the only way they can assure themselves 257 00:17:44,355 --> 00:17:47,315 Speaker 1: that they are actually alive, that they actually exist at 258 00:17:47,315 --> 00:17:51,995 Speaker 1: the moment. See, I have this document. It proves I 259 00:17:52,155 --> 00:18:00,515 Speaker 1: was president. It proves I am alive. One tweeter buttoned 260 00:18:00,515 --> 00:18:06,355 Speaker 1: this up last night twenty twenty four, Laney complaining to 261 00:18:06,435 --> 00:18:10,555 Speaker 1: Brett Baar that his interview with Trump was invalid because quote, 262 00:18:11,195 --> 00:18:20,355 Speaker 1: you are wok, Woka, you are wok. This is who 263 00:18:20,395 --> 00:18:23,115 Speaker 1: we are up against, mister attorney general. But yeah, whatever 264 00:18:23,155 --> 00:18:34,875 Speaker 1: we do, Mark, don't use that t word. Also of 265 00:18:34,915 --> 00:18:36,995 Speaker 1: interest here today, I want to circle back to the 266 00:18:37,035 --> 00:18:41,955 Speaker 1: prospect of Jack Smith filing more sets of charges against Trump, 267 00:18:42,875 --> 00:18:46,555 Speaker 1: maybe for interfering with Pence counting the electoral ballots. Also, 268 00:18:46,595 --> 00:18:48,315 Speaker 1: I want to call for the firing of the president 269 00:18:48,315 --> 00:18:52,795 Speaker 1: of MSNBC. Sorry I forgot to mention that. Also for 270 00:18:52,835 --> 00:18:54,715 Speaker 1: people to take a long hard look at why none 271 00:18:54,715 --> 00:18:57,955 Speaker 1: of those backup hosts I spun off from my show 272 00:18:57,995 --> 00:19:01,395 Speaker 1: at MSNBC have spoken out against what the president of 273 00:19:01,475 --> 00:19:04,395 Speaker 1: MSNBC has just said when she was asked if she 274 00:19:05,075 --> 00:19:08,675 Speaker 1: would put Donald Trump on MSNBC in a live town 275 00:19:08,755 --> 00:19:13,995 Speaker 1: hall format, because after what she said, I would have 276 00:19:14,035 --> 00:19:18,355 Speaker 1: walked off the set. There are two things she did 277 00:19:18,395 --> 00:19:23,515 Speaker 1: not say. One was no, no way, never, are you nuts? 278 00:19:23,995 --> 00:19:29,795 Speaker 1: And the other was that's next. This is countdown. This 279 00:19:30,675 --> 00:19:42,355 Speaker 1: is countdown with Keith Olberman. Postscripts to the news, some headlines, 280 00:19:42,395 --> 00:19:46,555 Speaker 1: some updates, some snarks, some predictions. Dateline thirty Rockefeller Center, 281 00:19:46,715 --> 00:19:51,835 Speaker 1: New York, New York, just the one PostScript today. Once again, 282 00:19:51,915 --> 00:19:56,995 Speaker 1: let me apologize for what MSNBC has become, especially how 283 00:19:57,035 --> 00:19:59,315 Speaker 1: the primetime lineup they made up out of my former 284 00:19:59,355 --> 00:20:03,635 Speaker 1: fill in host has completely abrogated its responsibility to stand 285 00:20:03,715 --> 00:20:07,675 Speaker 1: up against the cookie cutter, unabashed both sides ism in 286 00:20:07,755 --> 00:20:12,835 Speaker 1: its own management. The president of MSNBC has been asked 287 00:20:12,955 --> 00:20:17,915 Speaker 1: at a media forum, a thumbsucking convention, if Trump somehow 288 00:20:17,955 --> 00:20:20,475 Speaker 1: came to her and asked to do a town hall 289 00:20:20,595 --> 00:20:24,235 Speaker 1: on MSNBC, would she say yes and put him on 290 00:20:25,155 --> 00:20:29,875 Speaker 1: in a town hall live? And she did not say, 291 00:20:30,115 --> 00:20:33,715 Speaker 1: my god, no. We believe in democracy and we respect 292 00:20:33,755 --> 00:20:35,635 Speaker 1: our audience, by the way, and we are grateful for 293 00:20:35,715 --> 00:20:38,555 Speaker 1: their trust and their money. She did not say that 294 00:20:38,915 --> 00:20:42,315 Speaker 1: because she is a fast talking corporate shill with no 295 00:20:42,395 --> 00:20:46,435 Speaker 1: more sense of news than has a fire hydrant. In fact, 296 00:20:46,475 --> 00:20:50,235 Speaker 1: she said quote it would be a conversation, and she 297 00:20:50,315 --> 00:20:53,915 Speaker 1: talked about her newsgroup, and she talked about parameters, and 298 00:20:53,955 --> 00:20:57,755 Speaker 1: she talked about controlling the environment and other corporate gobbledegook. 299 00:20:58,635 --> 00:21:01,955 Speaker 1: When if you actually want people who watch MSNBC to 300 00:21:02,075 --> 00:21:06,235 Speaker 1: keep watching MSNBC, you have to answer God no, or 301 00:21:06,235 --> 00:21:09,235 Speaker 1: at least mock the question, or do something to just 302 00:21:09,275 --> 00:21:12,515 Speaker 1: signal but yes, you're in it for the money. But 303 00:21:12,715 --> 00:21:16,395 Speaker 1: every day you do check back in on reality just 304 00:21:16,595 --> 00:21:22,275 Speaker 1: to make sure it's still there. Now, when you hear 305 00:21:22,435 --> 00:21:25,035 Speaker 1: the tape of what I heard, you will wonder where 306 00:21:25,115 --> 00:21:29,715 Speaker 1: is Rachel Maddow's criticism of this idiocy? Where is Lawrence o'donald's, 307 00:21:30,795 --> 00:21:36,155 Speaker 1: Where's Chris Hayes, Where is Jen Saki's? And the answer is, 308 00:21:36,835 --> 00:21:41,955 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, they're all out busy cashing their checks. And 309 00:21:42,035 --> 00:21:45,395 Speaker 1: don't dismiss the idea that you can't stand up to 310 00:21:45,515 --> 00:21:49,035 Speaker 1: your boss and live. I did it. I did it 311 00:21:49,075 --> 00:21:53,435 Speaker 1: at MSNBC. I did it with Matdow threatened to walk 312 00:21:53,475 --> 00:21:57,595 Speaker 1: out to the face of the president of NBC, the 313 00:21:57,635 --> 00:22:00,875 Speaker 1: whole network, not just MSNBC. And I will recount that 314 00:22:00,955 --> 00:22:02,915 Speaker 1: story in a moment, because it happened this time of 315 00:22:02,995 --> 00:22:05,755 Speaker 1: year in two thousand and nine, and all of television 316 00:22:05,795 --> 00:22:09,475 Speaker 1: is like this, always has been, but particularly so in 317 00:22:09,555 --> 00:22:14,435 Speaker 1: TV news. Management wants the money. In Bill Paley's famous 318 00:22:14,555 --> 00:22:17,395 Speaker 1: or infamous expression, it does not want the stomach ache. 319 00:22:18,315 --> 00:22:20,395 Speaker 1: And if you were on the air, you either eventually 320 00:22:20,395 --> 00:22:23,755 Speaker 1: have a showdown with management or you succumb to management 321 00:22:24,075 --> 00:22:29,115 Speaker 1: and you just keep cashing those checks silently. My second 322 00:22:29,115 --> 00:22:32,595 Speaker 1: time through MSNBC, I lasted there for eight years without succumbing, 323 00:22:32,875 --> 00:22:35,075 Speaker 1: and I could have stayed there the twelve years since, 324 00:22:35,515 --> 00:22:37,875 Speaker 1: and they asked me to go back formally once at 325 00:22:37,915 --> 00:22:41,355 Speaker 1: informally three other times. And if I had, I would 326 00:22:41,355 --> 00:22:46,835 Speaker 1: have heard this from MSNBC president Rashida Jones, and I 327 00:22:46,915 --> 00:22:54,675 Speaker 1: would have madowed or o'donald or hazed or Sakid, and 328 00:22:54,795 --> 00:22:58,315 Speaker 1: you had never heard this story, which took place from 329 00:22:58,315 --> 00:23:02,835 Speaker 1: an Axio's media event with Jones. More likely I would 330 00:23:02,835 --> 00:23:04,555 Speaker 1: have done something like that for a while and then 331 00:23:04,835 --> 00:23:09,795 Speaker 1: had the showdown in twenty and fourteen instead of twenty eleven. Anyway, 332 00:23:10,075 --> 00:23:13,635 Speaker 1: here's the quote. One of our big focuses is to 333 00:23:13,675 --> 00:23:17,355 Speaker 1: find ways to hear from voters. How do we get 334 00:23:17,795 --> 00:23:19,675 Speaker 1: to the people in the middle of the country who 335 00:23:19,715 --> 00:23:22,915 Speaker 1: are not necessarily where our offices are, and how do 336 00:23:22,955 --> 00:23:27,715 Speaker 1: we really immerse ourselves into those communities and tell their stories? 337 00:23:27,875 --> 00:23:32,115 Speaker 1: Unquote yes, yes, yes, it's more of that in this 338 00:23:32,355 --> 00:23:37,835 Speaker 1: Ohio diner stuff. It's more. Don't take a point of view, 339 00:23:38,275 --> 00:23:41,835 Speaker 1: especially the point of view of your viewers. Even though 340 00:23:41,875 --> 00:23:44,835 Speaker 1: from its second year on the air, MSNBC has always 341 00:23:44,875 --> 00:23:47,635 Speaker 1: had a point of view. Now it has never been 342 00:23:47,675 --> 00:23:50,995 Speaker 1: the same point of view for very long. First it 343 00:23:51,155 --> 00:23:55,955 Speaker 1: was anti Bill Clinton. Then I sort of forced it 344 00:23:55,995 --> 00:24:00,155 Speaker 1: to become to hell with all the politicians. Then it 345 00:24:00,395 --> 00:24:03,075 Speaker 1: was the two thousand and two attempt to go further 346 00:24:03,155 --> 00:24:06,395 Speaker 1: to the right than Fox was. And then just before 347 00:24:06,435 --> 00:24:08,795 Speaker 1: they were literally going to turn the network into all 348 00:24:09,035 --> 00:24:12,955 Speaker 1: prison documentaries starting at nine o'clock every night, I started 349 00:24:12,995 --> 00:24:15,555 Speaker 1: pointing out the hypocrisies of Bush and the Iraq War, 350 00:24:15,595 --> 00:24:23,435 Speaker 1: and suddenly MSNBC had purpose and profit. And that is 351 00:24:23,435 --> 00:24:25,755 Speaker 1: why MSNBC did not go out of business in two 352 00:24:25,795 --> 00:24:29,715 Speaker 1: thousand and five or off the air anyway, and why 353 00:24:29,755 --> 00:24:31,995 Speaker 1: it did not go off the air in two thousand 354 00:24:32,035 --> 00:24:33,715 Speaker 1: and nine, which is the story I will tell you 355 00:24:33,755 --> 00:24:36,235 Speaker 1: in a moment, But first, here is the actual clip 356 00:24:36,715 --> 00:24:40,915 Speaker 1: of Rashida Jones, who is actually the president of MSNBC, 357 00:24:41,555 --> 00:24:47,555 Speaker 1: in conversation with Sarah Fisher of Axios and absolutely, steadfastly 358 00:24:47,635 --> 00:24:51,595 Speaker 1: refusing to give you anywhere to stand on if you 359 00:24:51,755 --> 00:24:56,035 Speaker 1: want to actually believe that MSNBC would turn down a 360 00:24:56,075 --> 00:25:00,155 Speaker 1: live Trump town hall or that Meadow would walk off 361 00:25:00,195 --> 00:25:06,235 Speaker 1: in protest, because no, and no. The question from ms 362 00:25:06,355 --> 00:25:09,635 Speaker 1: Fisher was simply, would you put Trump on in a 363 00:25:09,715 --> 00:25:13,315 Speaker 1: town hall format? So I have a couple thoughts there. One. 364 00:25:13,475 --> 00:25:16,115 Speaker 2: We're having conversations with all of the candidates across our 365 00:25:16,235 --> 00:25:20,435 Speaker 2: entire newsgroup about how to bring their point of view 366 00:25:20,475 --> 00:25:22,235 Speaker 2: to the audience. There are lots of ways to do that, 367 00:25:22,235 --> 00:25:24,155 Speaker 2: whether it's a live interview, whether it's a tape interview, 368 00:25:24,395 --> 00:25:26,515 Speaker 2: whether it's a town hall, whether it's a debate. We 369 00:25:26,555 --> 00:25:30,355 Speaker 2: still have five hundred and five days left until election. 370 00:25:30,075 --> 00:25:34,075 Speaker 1: Day, counting down not the down counting, and I. 371 00:25:34,035 --> 00:25:36,235 Speaker 2: Think there are many ways that you can approach that. 372 00:25:36,275 --> 00:25:39,435 Speaker 2: I don't know that a town hall tomorrow is something 373 00:25:39,475 --> 00:25:41,675 Speaker 2: that our audience is looking for any audience. But as 374 00:25:41,675 --> 00:25:43,275 Speaker 2: you look at the next five hundred and five days, 375 00:25:43,275 --> 00:25:45,115 Speaker 2: I think you'll see a lot of that across the portfolio. 376 00:25:45,355 --> 00:25:47,755 Speaker 2: If Trump came to you specifically and says I want 377 00:25:47,755 --> 00:25:48,995 Speaker 2: to be on your air to do it, would you 378 00:25:48,995 --> 00:25:49,395 Speaker 2: say yes? 379 00:25:50,595 --> 00:25:51,515 Speaker 1: What I say? Yes? Today? 380 00:25:51,515 --> 00:25:53,035 Speaker 2: It would be a conversation. I think you have to 381 00:25:53,035 --> 00:25:55,075 Speaker 2: put parameters about how to control the environment. 382 00:25:55,195 --> 00:26:00,155 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be a conversation. I think you have 383 00:26:00,275 --> 00:26:05,755 Speaker 1: to put parameters about how to control the environment. Shameful, 384 00:26:07,195 --> 00:26:13,235 Speaker 1: wrong answer. I would say she should be fired immediately. 385 00:26:13,275 --> 00:26:16,075 Speaker 1: But she does not run MSNBC. It's her boss who 386 00:26:16,155 --> 00:26:22,835 Speaker 1: runs MSNBC. She is a figurehead. But shouldn't she be 387 00:26:22,955 --> 00:26:27,635 Speaker 1: fired just so people who still watch MSNBC have some 388 00:26:28,035 --> 00:26:33,355 Speaker 1: belief that no, they would not platform Trump, especially not live, 389 00:26:34,475 --> 00:26:39,315 Speaker 1: some belief that they're not just playing the MSNBC audience 390 00:26:39,355 --> 00:26:41,875 Speaker 1: and pretending to believe all this stuff just to get 391 00:26:41,915 --> 00:26:45,875 Speaker 1: you to watch, that they actually have a point of view, 392 00:26:45,915 --> 00:26:49,835 Speaker 1: that it actually matters to them, that the American democracy 393 00:26:49,955 --> 00:26:52,915 Speaker 1: means more to them than the ratings do. Because if 394 00:26:52,955 --> 00:26:54,395 Speaker 1: your answer to whether or not you're going to put 395 00:26:54,395 --> 00:26:56,395 Speaker 1: Trump on live for a town hall, even in the 396 00:26:56,475 --> 00:27:00,995 Speaker 1: wildest theoretical impossibility. If your answer is not no, fu, 397 00:27:02,115 --> 00:27:06,835 Speaker 1: you should be fired, and if not fired, the people 398 00:27:06,875 --> 00:27:10,075 Speaker 1: there who make the money that pays Rashida Jones's salary 399 00:27:10,475 --> 00:27:12,995 Speaker 1: should now threaten to walk out unless she at minimum 400 00:27:13,075 --> 00:27:17,715 Speaker 1: states clearly and without those Weasley corporate prevarications, that no 401 00:27:17,835 --> 00:27:22,075 Speaker 1: way MSNBC would never platform Trump live, not even for 402 00:27:22,115 --> 00:27:26,555 Speaker 1: that amount of money. And so I apologize to you 403 00:27:26,595 --> 00:27:31,555 Speaker 1: again for what MSNBC has become. As I heard that clip, 404 00:27:31,595 --> 00:27:34,595 Speaker 1: I flashed back to this time of year, June fourteen 405 00:27:34,715 --> 00:27:37,915 Speaker 1: years ago. We spent all that month, most of July 406 00:27:37,995 --> 00:27:40,995 Speaker 1: and a lot of August doing this. First management was 407 00:27:41,035 --> 00:27:43,635 Speaker 1: going to take MSNBC off the air, then Mattow and 408 00:27:43,675 --> 00:27:46,395 Speaker 1: I threatened to take MSNBC off the air. Then finally 409 00:27:46,435 --> 00:27:48,635 Speaker 1: I had to spend what little political capital I had 410 00:27:48,715 --> 00:27:52,675 Speaker 1: left to keep MSNBC on the air, and frankly, as 411 00:27:52,715 --> 00:27:57,115 Speaker 1: of today, I regret I kept MSNBC from going out 412 00:27:57,115 --> 00:28:00,915 Speaker 1: of business because of this. If Trump came to. 413 00:28:00,875 --> 00:28:02,835 Speaker 2: You specifically and says I want to be on your 414 00:28:02,835 --> 00:28:05,555 Speaker 2: air to do it, would you say yes? When I 415 00:28:05,555 --> 00:28:07,395 Speaker 2: say yes today, it would be a conversation. I think 416 00:28:07,435 --> 00:28:09,755 Speaker 2: you have to put parameters about how to control the environment. 417 00:28:09,875 --> 00:28:13,595 Speaker 1: Yeah, often it happens in television that there are events 418 00:28:13,635 --> 00:28:17,035 Speaker 1: so traumatic that the cliche about your life flashing before 419 00:28:17,035 --> 00:28:21,035 Speaker 1: your eyes does not apply, but an equally hackneyed one 420 00:28:21,035 --> 00:28:25,595 Speaker 1: about your career flashing before your eyes might. The executive 421 00:28:25,635 --> 00:28:29,675 Speaker 1: producer of our MSNBC newscast Countdown, Isy Povich, and I 422 00:28:29,755 --> 00:28:32,515 Speaker 1: were on the grown up elevator to the office of 423 00:28:32,635 --> 00:28:35,915 Speaker 1: NBC President Jeff Zooker on the fifty second floor of 424 00:28:35,955 --> 00:28:39,355 Speaker 1: thirty Rock in New York, Summoned there by some garbled 425 00:28:39,395 --> 00:28:44,475 Speaker 1: message from MSNBC President Phil Griffin about MSNBC being taken 426 00:28:44,555 --> 00:28:49,115 Speaker 1: off the air, I was mumbling to Izzy, Sundry imprecations 427 00:28:49,115 --> 00:28:53,475 Speaker 1: and reminiscences, eight freaking months is we spent twelve freaking 428 00:28:53,515 --> 00:28:56,315 Speaker 1: months forcing them to create Meadows show? At last eight 429 00:28:56,395 --> 00:29:00,355 Speaker 1: months all the crap prompter practice getting her over her 430 00:29:00,395 --> 00:29:04,035 Speaker 1: fears rockets past CNN only eight months of showing. Now 431 00:29:04,035 --> 00:29:07,675 Speaker 1: it's all gone. Izzy reminded me it was not just 432 00:29:07,835 --> 00:29:11,195 Speaker 1: Rachel's show that was threatened, which was why poor Court 433 00:29:11,355 --> 00:29:14,995 Speaker 1: Harson from Hardball was already upstairs along with poor Ed 434 00:29:15,075 --> 00:29:19,315 Speaker 1: Schultz and Phil Griffin. At Rachel's executive producer Bill Wolf, 435 00:29:19,315 --> 00:29:21,555 Speaker 1: and some clown from Morning Joe and a couple of 436 00:29:21,555 --> 00:29:26,595 Speaker 1: other MSNBC executives and us. I know, I know, I 437 00:29:26,635 --> 00:29:29,835 Speaker 1: did the line from the drunken Irishman from Hitchcock's The Birds, 438 00:29:29,875 --> 00:29:32,715 Speaker 1: complete with the bad accent. It's the end of the world, 439 00:29:34,195 --> 00:29:37,075 Speaker 1: I said, Jeff Immelt is going to take MSNBC off 440 00:29:37,075 --> 00:29:40,715 Speaker 1: the air. I didn't need any of my overwrought visions 441 00:29:40,755 --> 00:29:43,435 Speaker 1: from two years earlier of the future of liberal news 442 00:29:43,475 --> 00:29:47,075 Speaker 1: commentary falling out the NBC window to its death on 443 00:29:47,155 --> 00:29:50,315 Speaker 1: the rink. This was the real thing. The chairman of 444 00:29:50,435 --> 00:29:54,955 Speaker 1: General Electric was threatening to open the window himself, throw 445 00:29:55,075 --> 00:29:57,835 Speaker 1: us out the window himself, and then race down to 446 00:29:57,875 --> 00:30:03,195 Speaker 1: the pavement to stomp on our dying remains himself. Poor 447 00:30:03,355 --> 00:30:06,715 Speaker 1: Ed Schultz heard Jeff's Zucker say those words, and he 448 00:30:06,795 --> 00:30:09,435 Speaker 1: had screwed up his face and tilted his head like 449 00:30:09,475 --> 00:30:12,875 Speaker 1: a puppy hearing a car crash. He had not believed 450 00:30:12,875 --> 00:30:14,995 Speaker 1: it the first time. He had not believed at the 451 00:30:15,075 --> 00:30:18,275 Speaker 1: second time. Zucker said it a third time. Immelt is 452 00:30:18,315 --> 00:30:22,995 Speaker 1: going to take MSNBC off the effing air at, Schultz groaned. 453 00:30:23,475 --> 00:30:26,995 Speaker 1: After weeks of Griffin's coaxing he had finally just moved 454 00:30:26,995 --> 00:30:31,595 Speaker 1: from Nebraska to New York the preceding weekend, Yet he 455 00:30:31,635 --> 00:30:34,555 Speaker 1: was still, somehow only the second most strung out person 456 00:30:34,595 --> 00:30:37,875 Speaker 1: in the room. You, Zucker shouted at me, You're the 457 00:30:37,955 --> 00:30:40,795 Speaker 1: smartest one in the room. What the f do we 458 00:30:40,915 --> 00:30:44,555 Speaker 1: do now? I'll confess I was shaken by this because 459 00:30:44,595 --> 00:30:47,515 Speaker 1: it appeared for once that Zucker was not being sarcastic. 460 00:30:48,115 --> 00:30:51,595 Speaker 1: I had never before seen him flush nor flustered. This 461 00:30:51,755 --> 00:30:55,075 Speaker 1: was a guy who wore fleece in July. Now he 462 00:30:55,195 --> 00:30:58,755 Speaker 1: was beat red and sweating. Sometimes he knew what he 463 00:30:58,795 --> 00:31:01,915 Speaker 1: was doing, and, as his opposition to hiring Matdow had proved, 464 00:31:01,995 --> 00:31:04,475 Speaker 1: sometimes he didn't know what he was doing, but he 465 00:31:04,715 --> 00:31:07,955 Speaker 1: always acted as the most confident man in the galaxy. 466 00:31:08,275 --> 00:31:11,195 Speaker 1: But now he literally had no clue what to do next. 467 00:31:11,195 --> 00:31:13,675 Speaker 1: And he not only could not ignore my advice, he 468 00:31:13,835 --> 00:31:18,035 Speaker 1: desperately needed it. This situation and that color on his 469 00:31:18,115 --> 00:31:22,795 Speaker 1: face were almost worth watching the corporate fascists nuke my network. 470 00:31:23,835 --> 00:31:26,955 Speaker 1: I asked Zucker to explain what happened? You got Dan, well, 471 00:31:26,995 --> 00:31:30,195 Speaker 1: know what happened. Zucker moved towards me, and I stood 472 00:31:30,235 --> 00:31:32,035 Speaker 1: up and I told him I would see myself out. 473 00:31:32,355 --> 00:31:35,835 Speaker 1: He stopped, remembering that he did indeed actually need my help. 474 00:31:36,475 --> 00:31:40,475 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I apologize. This isn't rational, this is immelt. 475 00:31:41,195 --> 00:31:44,635 Speaker 1: Last week sometime Bill O'Reilly snapped. He told Murdoch he 476 00:31:44,675 --> 00:31:46,355 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna take any more of what you were saying 477 00:31:46,355 --> 00:31:48,235 Speaker 1: about him on the air. So he did a piece 478 00:31:48,315 --> 00:31:52,555 Speaker 1: last night accusing GE of manufacturing the components that been 479 00:31:52,675 --> 00:31:55,755 Speaker 1: used in roadside bombs that were built in a rand 480 00:31:55,755 --> 00:31:59,355 Speaker 1: to kill Americans in Iraq, which is true legally, that's 481 00:31:59,435 --> 00:32:02,795 Speaker 1: legally true. They found roadside bombs that had like thirty 482 00:32:02,875 --> 00:32:06,395 Speaker 1: year old GE transistors or or TV tubes from nineteen 483 00:32:06,435 --> 00:32:10,195 Speaker 1: fifty four, or is something in them? Legally, GE did 484 00:32:10,315 --> 00:32:13,195 Speaker 1: manufacture components that were used in roadside bombs that were 485 00:32:13,195 --> 00:32:15,835 Speaker 1: built in around to kill Americans in Iraq. So o'reiley 486 00:32:15,955 --> 00:32:18,555 Speaker 1: puts this on his effing show as a lead story, 487 00:32:18,995 --> 00:32:22,475 Speaker 1: and then Fox sent two camera crews in this little 488 00:32:22,515 --> 00:32:26,995 Speaker 1: crap producer from O'Riley show, Jesse Waters something to steak 489 00:32:27,115 --> 00:32:30,435 Speaker 1: emmelt out and chase him around the GE shareholders meeting 490 00:32:30,435 --> 00:32:34,315 Speaker 1: in Charlotte. Zucker finally came up for air and I 491 00:32:34,435 --> 00:32:38,155 Speaker 1: jumped in, why didn't emmelt have six camera crews to 492 00:32:38,195 --> 00:32:40,835 Speaker 1: stake out the two Fox crews and chase them around 493 00:32:40,835 --> 00:32:42,875 Speaker 1: in Charlotte. I mean, isn't that one of our news 494 00:32:42,955 --> 00:32:46,875 Speaker 1: hubs Charlotte doesn't emmelt own like twenty camera crews. There, 495 00:32:47,315 --> 00:32:50,355 Speaker 1: he bring a camera crew, You'll bring two camera crews. 496 00:32:51,195 --> 00:32:54,275 Speaker 1: Zoocker started to not like me again. Now you suggest 497 00:32:54,315 --> 00:32:56,355 Speaker 1: that where were you in? All right, never mind, it 498 00:32:56,355 --> 00:32:59,595 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Emmel says, if there's one more story on 499 00:32:59,635 --> 00:33:03,875 Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly about ge manufacturing components for roadside bombs in Iraq, 500 00:33:04,115 --> 00:33:08,755 Speaker 1: he's takening MSNBC off the air immediately. It'll just be 501 00:33:08,835 --> 00:33:11,875 Speaker 1: twenty four hours of lock up and I'm fired and 502 00:33:11,915 --> 00:33:14,995 Speaker 1: you're fired. And then he pointed at Chris Matthews, producer 503 00:33:14,995 --> 00:33:17,555 Speaker 1: and Matthews is fired. And he pointed at poor Ed 504 00:33:17,635 --> 00:33:21,355 Speaker 1: Schultz and you're fired, and Ed whimpered, So smart asked, 505 00:33:21,355 --> 00:33:24,555 Speaker 1: what the f do we do? I feigned all the 506 00:33:24,595 --> 00:33:27,675 Speaker 1: nonchalants I could feign. If I could have lit a 507 00:33:27,755 --> 00:33:31,195 Speaker 1: shroot by striking a match on the sole of my boot, 508 00:33:31,315 --> 00:33:36,995 Speaker 1: I would have. It's manageable. But Jeff, why is emmelt 509 00:33:37,075 --> 00:33:39,995 Speaker 1: so worked up about what O'Reilly said about him. Only 510 00:33:40,035 --> 00:33:42,955 Speaker 1: O'Reilly's nut job viewers actually believe any of that crap. 511 00:33:43,035 --> 00:33:47,075 Speaker 1: Nobody at GE, nobody investing in GE, could possibly believe 512 00:33:47,315 --> 00:33:55,395 Speaker 1: we're building components for roadside bombs. Zucker inhaled deeply. Emmelt's 513 00:33:55,435 --> 00:33:59,355 Speaker 1: mother believes it. All the heads in the room turned 514 00:33:59,355 --> 00:34:03,435 Speaker 1: toward the president of NBC. Missus. Emmelt back in Cincinnati 515 00:34:03,555 --> 00:34:07,955 Speaker 1: is a devote did Bill O'Reilly viewer watches him every night, 516 00:34:08,315 --> 00:34:12,195 Speaker 1: sees this, calls him, says, Sonny, why are you manufacturing 517 00:34:12,235 --> 00:34:14,875 Speaker 1: components that were used in roadside bombs built in Iran 518 00:34:14,915 --> 00:34:19,595 Speaker 1: to kill Americans in Iraq? I had not expected that, 519 00:34:21,075 --> 00:34:24,515 Speaker 1: I said to Zucker. So so he'll really burn what 520 00:34:24,955 --> 00:34:28,355 Speaker 1: two hundred million a year in profits just between Rachel 521 00:34:28,355 --> 00:34:33,315 Speaker 1: and me? Because his mom watches Bill O'Reilly, Zucker got 522 00:34:33,355 --> 00:34:36,315 Speaker 1: angry again. You bet your effing ass he will now 523 00:34:36,395 --> 00:34:38,515 Speaker 1: you said it was manageable. How how the hef do 524 00:34:38,595 --> 00:34:42,955 Speaker 1: we manage it? Ulberman? Just a minute? How old is she? 525 00:34:43,955 --> 00:34:49,155 Speaker 1: Zucker summoned all his annoyance. How old is who Eml's mother? 526 00:34:50,155 --> 00:34:54,035 Speaker 1: How old is she? Jeff Zucker was really annoyed. How 527 00:34:54,075 --> 00:34:57,195 Speaker 1: the F should I know? You're missing the point. I 528 00:34:57,235 --> 00:34:59,755 Speaker 1: had him really worked up, nearly to the boiling point. 529 00:34:59,755 --> 00:35:05,035 Speaker 1: It was great, guess, Zucker spluttered, I don't know. He's 530 00:35:05,075 --> 00:35:08,235 Speaker 1: in his mid fifties. She's got to be eighty ninety something. 531 00:35:09,035 --> 00:35:12,795 Speaker 1: I stifled a fake yawn. Yeah, you're right, probably closer 532 00:35:12,835 --> 00:35:14,835 Speaker 1: to ninety now that I think of it. So the 533 00:35:14,875 --> 00:35:20,395 Speaker 1: problem is she watches O'Reilly. She tells him what's on Fox? 534 00:35:21,075 --> 00:35:24,435 Speaker 1: What O'Reilly's saying about Ge. Well, I think you have 535 00:35:24,435 --> 00:35:26,275 Speaker 1: a simple solution. I'd say the first thing you do 536 00:35:26,395 --> 00:35:28,115 Speaker 1: is you send over a couple of big guys to 537 00:35:28,155 --> 00:35:30,635 Speaker 1: her house and you pull the freaking cable out of 538 00:35:30,635 --> 00:35:36,355 Speaker 1: the wall. Zuker actually gasped, My producer, is Hepovich unsuccessfully 539 00:35:36,395 --> 00:35:39,355 Speaker 1: stifled a laugh, and I saw Rachel crack a smile. 540 00:35:39,875 --> 00:35:44,875 Speaker 1: Zucker regained himself. This isn't funny, Olderman. I crossed my legs. Oh, 541 00:35:44,875 --> 00:35:48,555 Speaker 1: it's a little funny. And anyway, it's not essential. If 542 00:35:48,595 --> 00:35:50,875 Speaker 1: the problem is emailed is threatening to take the network 543 00:35:50,915 --> 00:35:53,875 Speaker 1: off the air because O'Reilly is avenging himself against me 544 00:35:54,435 --> 00:35:58,155 Speaker 1: by attacking him and attacking Ge. The short term solution 545 00:35:58,315 --> 00:36:01,515 Speaker 1: is easy, and in fact it is manageable. The long 546 00:36:01,595 --> 00:36:04,515 Speaker 1: term solution that's not easy and that's not manageable. But 547 00:36:04,555 --> 00:36:07,035 Speaker 1: the short term one that's simple. Rest of this week, 548 00:36:07,195 --> 00:36:09,835 Speaker 1: next week, maybe the week after that. Even we just 549 00:36:10,075 --> 00:36:16,675 Speaker 1: don't mention Fox News on MSNBC something resembling a smile 550 00:36:17,235 --> 00:36:20,555 Speaker 1: across Zucker's face. It made him look a little less 551 00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:23,515 Speaker 1: like a lizard person and more like a monkey with glasses. 552 00:36:24,315 --> 00:36:29,515 Speaker 1: You do that forever? No, not forever. I would not 553 00:36:29,595 --> 00:36:33,875 Speaker 1: do that, I said to Bias time. Yes, but remember 554 00:36:34,035 --> 00:36:35,915 Speaker 1: who was it who was in my office last winter 555 00:36:35,995 --> 00:36:37,755 Speaker 1: telling me that I should go on the air and 556 00:36:38,475 --> 00:36:41,435 Speaker 1: just to f with Fox? I should ask why Rupert 557 00:36:41,515 --> 00:36:44,355 Speaker 1: Murdoch was still running a huge international media company like 558 00:36:44,475 --> 00:36:48,875 Speaker 1: News Corp, despite all the reports that he's suffering from dementia, 559 00:36:48,995 --> 00:36:51,155 Speaker 1: even though there haven't been any reports that he's suffering 560 00:36:51,155 --> 00:36:54,915 Speaker 1: from dementia. For everybody's sake, here, who was that again 561 00:36:54,955 --> 00:36:59,035 Speaker 1: who told me to do that? Zucker's goodwill was gone again? 562 00:36:59,315 --> 00:37:02,995 Speaker 1: Obviously that was me. What's your point? My point is, 563 00:37:03,995 --> 00:37:06,675 Speaker 1: we built this new brand of ours organically, and a 564 00:37:06,715 --> 00:37:09,475 Speaker 1: couple of themes, a couple of statements of principle, and 565 00:37:09,555 --> 00:37:12,515 Speaker 1: one of them is to use your words just to 566 00:37:12,795 --> 00:37:16,355 Speaker 1: f with Fox? If we don't f with Fox for 567 00:37:16,395 --> 00:37:18,075 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks at the start of the summer, 568 00:37:18,075 --> 00:37:22,555 Speaker 1: who's gonna care, Who's gonna notice? But like after two weeks, 569 00:37:22,595 --> 00:37:25,875 Speaker 1: three weeks, our viewers are gonna notice, and the TV 570 00:37:25,955 --> 00:37:28,515 Speaker 1: writers are gonna notice, and then the crap we'll hit 571 00:37:28,515 --> 00:37:31,795 Speaker 1: from every direction you can think of. Temporary freeze on 572 00:37:31,955 --> 00:37:36,675 Speaker 1: mentioning Fox and mentioning O'Reilly and mentioning Murdoc fine, permanent freeze. 573 00:37:37,115 --> 00:37:39,435 Speaker 1: Might as well let Immelt turn us off in the morning. 574 00:37:39,475 --> 00:37:43,555 Speaker 1: After all, I don't think Zooker actually heard the last 575 00:37:43,555 --> 00:37:46,795 Speaker 1: part about em Milt turning us off. After all, the 576 00:37:46,915 --> 00:37:50,795 Speaker 1: lack of color was returning to his face. Okay, breathe, 577 00:37:50,955 --> 00:37:55,515 Speaker 1: he kept saying to himself. Breathe, breathe, Okay, breathe. He 578 00:37:55,555 --> 00:37:58,235 Speaker 1: looked at me and nodded. He pointed at Izzy and 579 00:37:58,315 --> 00:38:00,515 Speaker 1: at Phil Griffin and me, You and you and you 580 00:38:00,995 --> 00:38:04,075 Speaker 1: and I will we will talk tomorrow, maybe tonight, and 581 00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:07,755 Speaker 1: we'll all meet again next week. Until then, nothing about Fox, anybody, 582 00:38:07,755 --> 00:38:12,035 Speaker 1: are we clear? Nothing on the air about Fox. Silence 583 00:38:12,035 --> 00:38:15,195 Speaker 1: in the room, then the assorted noises of people rising, 584 00:38:15,235 --> 00:38:19,875 Speaker 1: mixed with attempts to resuscitate poor Ed Schultz, somebody Matthew's 585 00:38:19,875 --> 00:38:22,795 Speaker 1: guy Harson, I think, was almost at the door out 586 00:38:22,835 --> 00:38:25,115 Speaker 1: of Zucker's office, an office so big that it was 587 00:38:25,155 --> 00:38:27,635 Speaker 1: to steal the Ring Lardner line, the size of the 588 00:38:27,755 --> 00:38:32,275 Speaker 1: Yale Bowl, but with lamps. And then a voice spoke up, 589 00:38:32,355 --> 00:38:38,515 Speaker 1: quietly but firmly. Excuse me. It was Rachel Maddow. Excuse me. 590 00:38:39,355 --> 00:38:42,035 Speaker 1: I will not have the content of my show dictated 591 00:38:42,075 --> 00:38:46,595 Speaker 1: by any corporations, including the one I work for. Remember 592 00:38:46,595 --> 00:38:48,515 Speaker 1: this is June two thousand and nine. She still felt 593 00:38:48,515 --> 00:38:51,555 Speaker 1: that way then, and especially one I don't work for. 594 00:38:51,675 --> 00:38:53,955 Speaker 1: I will walk out first. I cannot have the audience 595 00:38:53,995 --> 00:38:56,955 Speaker 1: wondering what else I have not told them. I don't 596 00:38:56,995 --> 00:38:58,715 Speaker 1: do a lot about Fox on my show, but if 597 00:38:58,755 --> 00:39:01,035 Speaker 1: there is a story about Fox, I will not honor 598 00:39:01,075 --> 00:39:03,395 Speaker 1: this freeze. I will report that story. And if I'm 599 00:39:03,395 --> 00:39:07,555 Speaker 1: prevented from reporting that story, I will leave. Whereupon she left, 600 00:39:08,595 --> 00:39:13,635 Speaker 1: Zucker barked Phil Olberman, is he stay? When the rest 601 00:39:13,715 --> 00:39:16,675 Speaker 1: of the room had cleared, Zucker blew air out of 602 00:39:16,715 --> 00:39:19,915 Speaker 1: his mouth as if it were smoke. He gestured violently 603 00:39:19,955 --> 00:39:21,715 Speaker 1: at me with his right arm. I told you she 604 00:39:21,795 --> 00:39:23,715 Speaker 1: was a mistake. You didn't listen to me. I told 605 00:39:23,795 --> 00:39:26,595 Speaker 1: you now, she's your problem. All of this is your problem. 606 00:39:26,595 --> 00:39:30,035 Speaker 1: Get her back on the reservation or else. Now I 607 00:39:30,235 --> 00:39:33,915 Speaker 1: had run out of goodwill and jokes. Oh, I'll get 608 00:39:33,915 --> 00:39:35,795 Speaker 1: her back on the reservation, Jeff. But if you think 609 00:39:35,835 --> 00:39:38,675 Speaker 1: this is my problem, just think about what happens if 610 00:39:38,715 --> 00:39:41,355 Speaker 1: he really does take us off the air, or if 611 00:39:41,395 --> 00:39:44,395 Speaker 1: it just gets out that he threatened to take us 612 00:39:44,435 --> 00:39:50,915 Speaker 1: off the air because his mother didn't like what Fox 613 00:39:51,395 --> 00:39:57,275 Speaker 1: said about him. That's my problem. Uh uh, that's your problem. 614 00:39:57,595 --> 00:40:00,595 Speaker 1: And it's the problem of the CEO of the frickin' 615 00:40:00,755 --> 00:40:04,795 Speaker 1: sixth largest corporation in the world, who makes his business 616 00:40:04,795 --> 00:40:09,195 Speaker 1: decisions involving hundreds of millions of dollars of profits based 617 00:40:09,235 --> 00:40:14,755 Speaker 1: on what his mother says. At this point, Phil Griffin 618 00:40:14,795 --> 00:40:17,635 Speaker 1: managed to pull Zucker away and Izzy and I made 619 00:40:17,635 --> 00:40:21,675 Speaker 1: for the door, saying nothing until we were in the elevator. Finally, 620 00:40:21,715 --> 00:40:24,515 Speaker 1: she asked, what are you going to do about Rachel? 621 00:40:25,355 --> 00:40:27,955 Speaker 1: I looked straight ahead. I have depth perception issues while 622 00:40:27,995 --> 00:40:31,635 Speaker 1: traveling forward, backwards, up or down. Yeah, if I know 623 00:40:31,675 --> 00:40:33,355 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do about her. But I got an idea. 624 00:40:33,875 --> 00:40:35,755 Speaker 1: I mean, the only person she was really talking to 625 00:40:35,835 --> 00:40:39,795 Speaker 1: in there was herself. This isn't a brand new surprise 626 00:40:39,915 --> 00:40:43,355 Speaker 1: success for her anymore. This is successful. This is what 627 00:40:43,635 --> 00:40:47,355 Speaker 1: nine ten months she's successful. She said she was once 628 00:40:47,395 --> 00:40:50,675 Speaker 1: a dancing cell phone outside of cell phone store outside 629 00:40:50,715 --> 00:40:54,475 Speaker 1: of Boston. She ain't going back to that. I went 630 00:40:54,515 --> 00:40:56,875 Speaker 1: to talk to Rachel about an hour later and reassured her. 631 00:40:57,595 --> 00:41:00,395 Speaker 1: I mentioned that powerful as Fox was, they were not 632 00:41:00,435 --> 00:41:03,075 Speaker 1: going to be able to re invade Iraq by themselves, 633 00:41:03,595 --> 00:41:06,075 Speaker 1: and unless she moved, moved it way closer than it 634 00:41:06,115 --> 00:41:09,595 Speaker 1: had been, nobody would cross her censorship line. And I said, 635 00:41:09,755 --> 00:41:12,155 Speaker 1: just give me as much time as the French government 636 00:41:12,235 --> 00:41:15,915 Speaker 1: took before fleeing during the Nazi advance in nineteen forty. 637 00:41:16,075 --> 00:41:18,315 Speaker 1: I said, give me, what was it, thirty three days? 638 00:41:18,435 --> 00:41:20,915 Speaker 1: Give me thirty three days. If we aren't back where 639 00:41:20,915 --> 00:41:23,915 Speaker 1: we were this morning, we can both quit on the air. 640 00:41:24,475 --> 00:41:28,035 Speaker 1: I mean that'd be fun, right. Three nights later, well 641 00:41:28,075 --> 00:41:31,875 Speaker 1: after midnight on a Friday, my NBC issued BlackBerry buzzed 642 00:41:31,875 --> 00:41:36,035 Speaker 1: with a quick email from Rachel maddow. Hey. She wrote, 643 00:41:36,275 --> 00:41:39,635 Speaker 1: don't necessarily quote me because I'm really drunk, but just 644 00:41:39,675 --> 00:41:42,035 Speaker 1: make the best deal you can for us. I trust you. 645 00:41:42,275 --> 00:41:44,075 Speaker 1: We don't need to do Fox all the time. I 646 00:41:44,115 --> 00:41:46,915 Speaker 1: never do Fox stories anyway. I just had to say that, 647 00:41:47,235 --> 00:41:49,515 Speaker 1: and this is the best platform we will ever have. 648 00:41:50,875 --> 00:41:53,275 Speaker 1: Well she was right, at least for the time being. 649 00:41:53,555 --> 00:41:55,315 Speaker 1: A couple of weeks later, I had to sneak in 650 00:41:55,315 --> 00:41:57,915 Speaker 1: a script that blasted Fox, and at ten thirty at 651 00:41:57,955 --> 00:42:00,075 Speaker 1: home that night, I got a call from a drunken 652 00:42:00,115 --> 00:42:03,595 Speaker 1: Phil Griffin shouting into the phone, I have a family. 653 00:42:04,955 --> 00:42:09,195 Speaker 1: Zucker had to go meet with Roger Ayles secretly inside 654 00:42:09,275 --> 00:42:12,275 Speaker 1: thirty Rock and I hope they remember to clean the 655 00:42:12,355 --> 00:42:15,755 Speaker 1: room afterwards. And mmelt even had to meet with Murdoch. 656 00:42:16,275 --> 00:42:19,795 Speaker 1: And then, happily, some idiot Ge executive decided to boast 657 00:42:19,795 --> 00:42:22,675 Speaker 1: to The New York Times about getting us little talent 658 00:42:22,755 --> 00:42:26,475 Speaker 1: children under control and a big deal with the executives 659 00:42:26,475 --> 00:42:29,035 Speaker 1: over at Fox and how they'd settled everything, which blew 660 00:42:29,115 --> 00:42:32,275 Speaker 1: up the whole deal instantly, because the moment the deal 661 00:42:32,315 --> 00:42:36,955 Speaker 1: went public, NBC looked so stupid, and even NBC News 662 00:42:37,075 --> 00:42:40,835 Speaker 1: was now risked. The only point of the whole thing 663 00:42:40,915 --> 00:42:43,115 Speaker 1: was to keep the Immelts and the Zuckers and the 664 00:42:43,115 --> 00:42:45,915 Speaker 1: Griffins and the ales Is from throwing us and our 665 00:42:45,955 --> 00:42:49,595 Speaker 1: little island of liberal commentary out of that window at 666 00:42:49,635 --> 00:42:53,195 Speaker 1: thirty Rock. But as Rachel Mattow and I would be 667 00:42:53,235 --> 00:42:57,475 Speaker 1: constantly reminded in the ensuing years, thirty Rock has a 668 00:42:57,595 --> 00:43:03,115 Speaker 1: lot of freaking windows. Just quickly, because I did one 669 00:43:03,155 --> 00:43:07,235 Speaker 1: of these podcasts yesterday on the holiday, A pretty good, 670 00:43:07,275 --> 00:43:09,035 Speaker 1: if I must say so myself, and I'm the only 671 00:43:09,035 --> 00:43:11,915 Speaker 1: one talking here, pretty good state of the state address 672 00:43:11,955 --> 00:43:15,195 Speaker 1: on the prospects of Jack Smith filing additional sets of charges, 673 00:43:15,795 --> 00:43:19,475 Speaker 1: maybe four or even five more sets of charges against 674 00:43:19,555 --> 00:43:23,355 Speaker 1: Trump was heard, and a good time was had by all. Now, 675 00:43:23,355 --> 00:43:26,395 Speaker 1: if you've heard it already from Monday, hit stop now, 676 00:43:26,475 --> 00:43:29,275 Speaker 1: because I'm going to replay it because not everybody heard it. 677 00:43:41,155 --> 00:43:44,035 Speaker 1: I am beginning to believe that we may have wildly 678 00:43:44,315 --> 00:43:48,435 Speaker 1: underestimated how many more things Jack Smith is about to 679 00:43:48,475 --> 00:43:53,395 Speaker 1: indict Trump. Four could the Special Counsel in fact be 680 00:43:53,555 --> 00:44:00,635 Speaker 1: preparing now to indict Trump for illegally pressuring Mike Pence. 681 00:44:02,515 --> 00:44:04,955 Speaker 1: There is reason today to believe that the number of 682 00:44:05,115 --> 00:44:07,955 Speaker 1: new separate indictments of Trump by Smith could be as 683 00:44:07,995 --> 00:44:11,995 Speaker 1: many as four, maybe even five. Based on both reporting 684 00:44:11,995 --> 00:44:14,235 Speaker 1: and analysis by the people who have been right so far, 685 00:44:15,355 --> 00:44:17,515 Speaker 1: the general consensus seemed to have been there would be 686 00:44:17,555 --> 00:44:20,275 Speaker 1: two new ones. First, the fake elector's schemes, since there 687 00:44:20,715 --> 00:44:24,195 Speaker 1: were fake electors seen entering the court building housing the 688 00:44:24,195 --> 00:44:27,755 Speaker 1: Special Council's Washington Grand Jury that almost exactly the same 689 00:44:27,795 --> 00:44:30,315 Speaker 1: moment that Smith was announcing the document's case in Miami 690 00:44:30,435 --> 00:44:34,115 Speaker 1: ten days ago. There has also been consistent dribbing and 691 00:44:34,195 --> 00:44:36,195 Speaker 1: drabbing coming out of what appears to be a very 692 00:44:36,235 --> 00:44:39,275 Speaker 1: serious Smith investigation of what at first seems like an 693 00:44:39,275 --> 00:44:43,355 Speaker 1: almost sidebar to that part of the Trump massive coup plan, 694 00:44:43,955 --> 00:44:46,515 Speaker 1: the gradual assembling of evidence that when Trump made his 695 00:44:46,635 --> 00:44:49,955 Speaker 1: desperate pleas to the yokels in November and December twenty 696 00:44:49,995 --> 00:44:53,595 Speaker 1: twenty to raise funds to fight the stolen election, he 697 00:44:53,675 --> 00:44:57,035 Speaker 1: knew damn well and acknowledged, damn well, it was not 698 00:44:57,075 --> 00:45:00,635 Speaker 1: a stolen election, and thus all that fundraising was fraud. 699 00:45:02,075 --> 00:45:05,795 Speaker 1: That January sixth fraud stuff was puzzling in a way 700 00:45:05,835 --> 00:45:09,475 Speaker 1: because while it's like tax evasion, fraud is easier to 701 00:45:09,595 --> 00:45:13,875 Speaker 1: prove than say, an intricate plot to overthrow the government 702 00:45:13,995 --> 00:45:17,875 Speaker 1: using stochastic terrorism and deniable incitements of mobs and milities, 703 00:45:18,315 --> 00:45:21,355 Speaker 1: it did seem a little off the point. Do not 704 00:45:21,435 --> 00:45:24,595 Speaker 1: get me wrong here. If they can jail Trump forever 705 00:45:24,675 --> 00:45:28,275 Speaker 1: based on stealing box cars full of gold rustolium that 706 00:45:28,355 --> 00:45:32,715 Speaker 1: he's sprayed on his head, fine, Still there is a 707 00:45:33,035 --> 00:45:37,635 Speaker 1: sadness about this. He tried to overthrow the democracy. We 708 00:45:37,755 --> 00:45:40,315 Speaker 1: need to put him on trial for trying to overthrow 709 00:45:40,355 --> 00:45:45,595 Speaker 1: the democracy. Well, we may yet do so. Ryan Goodman 710 00:45:45,635 --> 00:45:48,475 Speaker 1: from Just Security why cite here frequently even though I 711 00:45:48,475 --> 00:45:51,195 Speaker 1: don't know him, and only because he knows his stuff, 712 00:45:51,715 --> 00:45:55,235 Speaker 1: told the Bill Crystal podcast that he thinks Jack Smith 713 00:45:55,275 --> 00:45:57,995 Speaker 1: is quote going to indict Trump for the false slate 714 00:45:58,035 --> 00:46:01,235 Speaker 1: of elector's scheme, and with Goodman adding that the odds 715 00:46:01,275 --> 00:46:04,475 Speaker 1: Fannie Willis indicts on false electors and election interference in 716 00:46:04,715 --> 00:46:08,235 Speaker 1: Argia are at ninety percent. Trump could then face twin 717 00:46:08,475 --> 00:46:12,675 Speaker 1: federal and state cases on overlapping topics. And then Goodman 718 00:46:12,715 --> 00:46:16,315 Speaker 1: added something that took my breath away, indicting Trump for 719 00:46:16,435 --> 00:46:22,795 Speaker 1: false electors quote and quite probably possibly the pressure campaign 720 00:46:22,835 --> 00:46:28,595 Speaker 1: against Mike Pence. Wait what Goodman sends? The odds on 721 00:46:28,675 --> 00:46:33,355 Speaker 1: Jack Smith indicting Trump about Pence at sixty to seventy 722 00:46:33,435 --> 00:46:36,995 Speaker 1: percent pressuring the Vice president. Goodman says, quoting him again 723 00:46:37,475 --> 00:46:40,755 Speaker 1: is independent of whether or not he Trump thought he 724 00:46:40,835 --> 00:46:42,715 Speaker 1: won the election. He can think he won the election, 725 00:46:42,795 --> 00:46:46,035 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But you can't try to coerce a public 726 00:46:46,075 --> 00:46:50,195 Speaker 1: official to defy their legal duties, which is just to 727 00:46:50,355 --> 00:46:54,635 Speaker 1: count the votes. Goodman does not mention this, but you 728 00:46:54,675 --> 00:46:56,875 Speaker 1: will remember that Stuart Rhodes and some of the other 729 00:46:56,915 --> 00:47:02,235 Speaker 1: oathkeepers were prosecuted for and convicted of interfering with Congress's 730 00:47:02,275 --> 00:47:07,155 Speaker 1: ability to complete its legal duties. Ponder for just a 731 00:47:07,195 --> 00:47:13,035 Speaker 1: moment the prospect the eternal carnival of Smith indicting Trump, 732 00:47:13,115 --> 00:47:15,675 Speaker 1: who is running for the Republican nomination, for attempting to 733 00:47:15,715 --> 00:47:18,995 Speaker 1: chorus Pence, who is running for the Republican nomination. Oh 734 00:47:19,075 --> 00:47:23,955 Speaker 1: and necessarily having Pence testify against Trump, either before Trump 735 00:47:23,995 --> 00:47:28,315 Speaker 1: is nominated or before the election. So instead of two, 736 00:47:28,395 --> 00:47:31,595 Speaker 1: that would be three separate prongs to Smith's pursuit of Trump, 737 00:47:31,715 --> 00:47:34,715 Speaker 1: four if you count the thirty seven documents indictments already 738 00:47:34,715 --> 00:47:39,355 Speaker 1: brought documents stole an election, fundraising fraud, January sixth, false 739 00:47:39,395 --> 00:47:45,955 Speaker 1: electors January sixth, pressure campaign against Mike Pence. Goodman also 740 00:47:46,035 --> 00:47:49,035 Speaker 1: does not see the January sixth stuff waiting out in 741 00:47:49,115 --> 00:47:52,075 Speaker 1: the hall. According again, I think it's very likely that 742 00:47:52,115 --> 00:47:55,795 Speaker 1: the Special Council indicts him about January sixth, in the summer. 743 00:47:56,435 --> 00:47:58,195 Speaker 1: He wants to do it by the summer to avoid 744 00:47:58,275 --> 00:48:01,115 Speaker 1: doing it much later. And if that is not enough 745 00:48:01,155 --> 00:48:02,995 Speaker 1: to chew on, Goodman thinks the odds are fifty to 746 00:48:03,075 --> 00:48:06,235 Speaker 1: fifty that Smith will fe other expand the case against 747 00:48:06,235 --> 00:48:09,315 Speaker 1: Trump on the stolen documents and add further charges to it, 748 00:48:09,555 --> 00:48:13,275 Speaker 1: but not in Florida. As I've noted before, Goodman notes 749 00:48:13,475 --> 00:48:16,435 Speaker 1: that the charging document released to the public concurrent with 750 00:48:16,555 --> 00:48:19,995 Speaker 1: the indictments in Miami was very specific about the crimes 751 00:48:20,035 --> 00:48:23,595 Speaker 1: Trump had committed and the individual events. The Florida charging 752 00:48:23,635 --> 00:48:27,315 Speaker 1: document references the dissemination of defense information to people not 753 00:48:27,355 --> 00:48:30,475 Speaker 1: authorized to see it, and refers explicitly to both the 754 00:48:30,475 --> 00:48:35,115 Speaker 1: classified map Trump showed people and that Mark Millie military 755 00:48:35,195 --> 00:48:38,155 Speaker 1: plan for war on Iran, the stuff Trump is caught 756 00:48:38,195 --> 00:48:42,675 Speaker 1: on tape going over with the Mark Meadows ghostwriters. All 757 00:48:42,715 --> 00:48:45,795 Speaker 1: of that stuff is in the Florida charging document that 758 00:48:45,835 --> 00:48:48,355 Speaker 1: has now been in circulation for ten days, but there 759 00:48:48,395 --> 00:48:52,115 Speaker 1: have been no charges about it. Goodman's explanation for this 760 00:48:52,155 --> 00:48:55,635 Speaker 1: anomaly is simple. Trump's crimes of stealing and keeping the 761 00:48:55,675 --> 00:48:59,355 Speaker 1: documents happened in Florida telling people what was in the 762 00:48:59,395 --> 00:49:03,395 Speaker 1: documents happened in New Jersey. So if Goodman is right 763 00:49:03,435 --> 00:49:06,875 Speaker 1: about Jersey and more documents and more charges, that's four 764 00:49:06,995 --> 00:49:11,875 Speaker 1: or five separate prosecutions, depending on your definitions. Documents could 765 00:49:11,915 --> 00:49:14,475 Speaker 1: theoretically just be considered parts A and B of the 766 00:49:14,515 --> 00:49:19,555 Speaker 1: same case. And if you're tired of one guy speculating 767 00:49:19,595 --> 00:49:24,395 Speaker 1: about one other guy speculating, good news everyone. There is 768 00:49:24,475 --> 00:49:28,155 Speaker 1: hard and firm information from Jack Smith in court paperwork 769 00:49:28,155 --> 00:49:30,635 Speaker 1: he filed last Friday in which he said that a 770 00:49:30,675 --> 00:49:34,155 Speaker 1: protective order needed to be placed on anything produced by 771 00:49:34,155 --> 00:49:36,995 Speaker 1: the legal discovery conducted by the Trump team because the 772 00:49:37,035 --> 00:49:42,435 Speaker 1: stuff found in discovery would contain information about quote ongoing 773 00:49:42,515 --> 00:49:52,275 Speaker 1: investigations that could quote identify uncharged individuals Mark Meadows. So 774 00:49:52,395 --> 00:49:55,155 Speaker 1: there is no question Smith is still seeking new charges, 775 00:49:55,555 --> 00:49:58,675 Speaker 1: and obviously they are against Trump, and obviously he has 776 00:49:58,795 --> 00:50:02,795 Speaker 1: unrevealed witnesses. And we know from one of the flood 777 00:50:02,835 --> 00:50:05,715 Speaker 1: of New York Times reports, this one from about six 778 00:50:05,755 --> 00:50:08,435 Speaker 1: weeks ago, that Smith is still active on the subject 779 00:50:08,515 --> 00:50:11,155 Speaker 1: of Trump and things that happened in New Jersey. The 780 00:50:11,195 --> 00:50:13,875 Speaker 1: Times report from the beginning of May was that there 781 00:50:13,875 --> 00:50:17,755 Speaker 1: had been quote previously unreported subpoenas to the Trump Organization, 782 00:50:18,035 --> 00:50:22,475 Speaker 1: which sought records pertaining to Trump's dealings with a Saudi 783 00:50:22,555 --> 00:50:26,915 Speaker 1: backed professional golf venture known as Live Golf, which Trump 784 00:50:26,915 --> 00:50:28,875 Speaker 1: has so far dealt with not at Mari Lago or 785 00:50:28,915 --> 00:50:31,915 Speaker 1: his other golf courses, but at his Bedminster club in 786 00:50:31,955 --> 00:50:36,395 Speaker 1: New Jersey. Goodman didn't mention this. The Times didn't mention this. 787 00:50:36,595 --> 00:50:39,515 Speaker 1: Nobody's mentioned this. It is officially still inside the realm 788 00:50:39,795 --> 00:50:42,755 Speaker 1: of political science fiction. But if you want to ratchet 789 00:50:42,795 --> 00:50:45,955 Speaker 1: up the whole golf thing one more notch, you could, 790 00:50:45,995 --> 00:50:49,795 Speaker 1: as I previously have envisioned Trump trading information to the 791 00:50:49,835 --> 00:50:52,995 Speaker 1: Saudis so that they would make the big Trump signs 792 00:50:53,035 --> 00:50:56,635 Speaker 1: on the golf course one square foot larger than originally 793 00:50:56,675 --> 00:50:59,235 Speaker 1: agreed to. You know he would, you know he would? 794 00:50:59,435 --> 00:51:04,475 Speaker 1: You know he would. There is also the gathering prospect 795 00:51:04,515 --> 00:51:08,435 Speaker 1: of Trump being hoist with his own petard. The Times 796 00:51:08,475 --> 00:51:12,515 Speaker 1: also noted that five separate statements inside the charging document 797 00:51:12,835 --> 00:51:17,675 Speaker 1: are quotations from Trump during the lockeher upstage of the 798 00:51:17,675 --> 00:51:22,435 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen presidential campaign. There is a belief among experts 799 00:51:22,475 --> 00:51:25,035 Speaker 1: in the field that these statements could all be introduced 800 00:51:25,075 --> 00:51:29,275 Speaker 1: as evidence at trial to show not that Hillary Clinton 801 00:51:29,315 --> 00:51:31,435 Speaker 1: was right, although that would be a pleasing side effect, 802 00:51:31,715 --> 00:51:34,275 Speaker 1: but that Trump knew exactly what the penalties were for 803 00:51:34,395 --> 00:51:39,475 Speaker 1: stealing boxes of defense information and classified documents on the 804 00:51:39,515 --> 00:51:42,275 Speaker 1: subject of experts in the field, one of them has 805 00:51:42,315 --> 00:51:45,155 Speaker 1: now chewed up Trump and spit him out for the 806 00:51:45,195 --> 00:51:49,635 Speaker 1: second consecutive week. I have explained previously that my having 807 00:51:49,755 --> 00:51:54,355 Speaker 1: no use for William Barr is second generation. His father 808 00:51:54,635 --> 00:51:57,475 Speaker 1: arrived as the new headmaster of my prep school as 809 00:51:57,515 --> 00:52:02,235 Speaker 1: I graduated, and the bastard nearly bankrupted the place. But 810 00:52:02,555 --> 00:52:05,795 Speaker 1: like Ryan Goodman, Bill Barr is, at least at the moment. 811 00:52:06,435 --> 00:52:08,795 Speaker 1: He was asked on Face the Nation yesterday if he 812 00:52:08,875 --> 00:52:13,515 Speaker 1: thinks Trump is a target, specifically in January sixth prosecutions. Quote. 813 00:52:13,595 --> 00:52:16,235 Speaker 1: I'm actually starting to think they will pull the trigger 814 00:52:16,315 --> 00:52:19,315 Speaker 1: on that, Barr replied, and I would expect it to 815 00:52:19,355 --> 00:52:23,075 Speaker 1: be this summer unquote. Barr was also asked if he 816 00:52:23,115 --> 00:52:26,275 Speaker 1: had gotten any inside insight from the Justice Department. He 817 00:52:26,315 --> 00:52:29,595 Speaker 1: once ran and he refused to comment, which is a 818 00:52:29,635 --> 00:52:32,755 Speaker 1: strange thing to do if you have not gotten inside insight. 819 00:52:33,635 --> 00:52:36,675 Speaker 1: Barr also took some satisfying shots at Trump. Quote, he 820 00:52:36,715 --> 00:52:39,275 Speaker 1: will always put his own interests and gratifying his own 821 00:52:39,275 --> 00:52:43,795 Speaker 1: ego ahead of everything else, including the country's interests. No crap, Bill, 822 00:52:44,115 --> 00:52:47,675 Speaker 1: that's Trump's physical or emotional illness. He's like a nine 823 00:52:47,715 --> 00:52:50,115 Speaker 1: year old, a defiant nine year old kid who's always 824 00:52:50,155 --> 00:52:52,915 Speaker 1: pushing the glass toward the edge of the table, defying 825 00:52:52,915 --> 00:52:55,235 Speaker 1: his parents to stop him from doing it. It's a 826 00:52:55,275 --> 00:53:01,235 Speaker 1: means of self assertion and exerting his dominance over other people. Well, yes, Bill, 827 00:53:01,835 --> 00:53:07,475 Speaker 1: but six a defiant six year old child. For the 828 00:53:07,515 --> 00:53:10,955 Speaker 1: first time in years. There were two different Sunday News 829 00:53:11,035 --> 00:53:15,675 Speaker 1: interviews that may have contained actual news breadcrumbs because Pence's 830 00:53:15,715 --> 00:53:18,755 Speaker 1: former chief of staff, Mark Short also went on one 831 00:53:18,795 --> 00:53:20,995 Speaker 1: of them, the one on Fox, and he brought up 832 00:53:21,035 --> 00:53:24,435 Speaker 1: another topic that had slipped through the cracks after it 833 00:53:24,475 --> 00:53:26,995 Speaker 1: had suddenly reappeared in the middle of a sexual abuse 834 00:53:27,035 --> 00:53:31,075 Speaker 1: suit against Rudy Giuliani. Short said, quote, one of the 835 00:53:31,155 --> 00:53:34,475 Speaker 1: most unseemly parts of the end of our administration was 836 00:53:34,555 --> 00:53:39,075 Speaker 1: the pardons Donald Trump gave to cocaine traffickers, to family members, 837 00:53:39,115 --> 00:53:43,435 Speaker 1: to people guilty of violent crimes. It was indefensible. Short 838 00:53:43,475 --> 00:53:48,355 Speaker 1: then added the money quote, literally, people giving seven hundred 839 00:53:48,355 --> 00:53:54,435 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars to lobbyists trying to get pardons. Unquote, Okay, 840 00:53:54,635 --> 00:53:58,915 Speaker 1: what's with that. Giuliani's alleged victim says his price to 841 00:53:58,955 --> 00:54:00,915 Speaker 1: take a pardon to Trump was two million to be 842 00:54:00,955 --> 00:54:04,675 Speaker 1: split with Trump certainly like the prospective indictments on defraud 843 00:54:04,835 --> 00:54:07,955 Speaker 1: his own cultists to raise money to solve a stolen 844 00:54:07,995 --> 00:54:11,115 Speaker 1: election that was not stolen. There's got a money trail 845 00:54:11,395 --> 00:54:14,475 Speaker 1: a mile long for Jack Smith on these million dollar 846 00:54:14,595 --> 00:54:19,155 Speaker 1: pardons for crying out loud. There are three other new 847 00:54:19,235 --> 00:54:22,675 Speaker 1: morsels here to savor. Chris Christie suggested that based on 848 00:54:22,715 --> 00:54:26,195 Speaker 1: his days as a prosecutor, the likelihood is two thirds 849 00:54:26,635 --> 00:54:31,875 Speaker 1: of Jack Smith's case. Well, case says well, panoply of 850 00:54:31,995 --> 00:54:37,035 Speaker 1: cases is still below the surface. Witnesses evidence, god knows what. 851 00:54:37,875 --> 00:54:40,515 Speaker 1: Ryan Goodman jumped on that in the Crystal podcast and 852 00:54:40,555 --> 00:54:45,235 Speaker 1: asked a rhetorical question that is absolutely fascinating. That tape 853 00:54:45,755 --> 00:54:49,435 Speaker 1: of Trump talking to Mark Meadow's ghostwriters describing the secret 854 00:54:49,435 --> 00:54:53,035 Speaker 1: Iran war plans. He cannot give them because they're classified, 855 00:54:53,075 --> 00:54:56,635 Speaker 1: but he will describe to them because he's a compulsive talker. 856 00:54:57,475 --> 00:55:02,715 Speaker 1: Goodman says, that's a tape in essence of Trump narrating 857 00:55:02,835 --> 00:55:06,315 Speaker 1: his own crimes as he committed. It's them a confession 858 00:55:06,915 --> 00:55:11,515 Speaker 1: in real time. More intriguingly, Goodman asks what happens if 859 00:55:11,595 --> 00:55:15,355 Speaker 1: anyone of the dozens of top news organizations pursuing this 860 00:55:15,515 --> 00:55:19,235 Speaker 1: the political story, the foremost political story in American history. 861 00:55:19,355 --> 00:55:21,915 Speaker 1: What if one of those news organizations were to get 862 00:55:21,915 --> 00:55:25,595 Speaker 1: a copy of that tape and post it or put 863 00:55:25,595 --> 00:55:30,875 Speaker 1: it on television or on TikTok, not a transcript, but 864 00:55:30,955 --> 00:55:35,155 Speaker 1: Trump's actual crime, in Trump's actual voice, as Trump actually 865 00:55:35,195 --> 00:55:42,715 Speaker 1: commits it. Party down. One thing we do know is 866 00:55:43,075 --> 00:55:47,675 Speaker 1: if that happens, Trump's lawyers are not exactly poised to 867 00:55:47,795 --> 00:55:51,835 Speaker 1: stop the tape from being made public. She is hardly 868 00:55:51,875 --> 00:55:54,035 Speaker 1: the lead on the document's case, but they are still 869 00:55:54,115 --> 00:55:58,555 Speaker 1: letting Alina Haba make public appearances on Trump's behalf. I 870 00:55:58,635 --> 00:56:01,955 Speaker 1: guess on the theory that Christina Bob is even dumber. 871 00:56:02,635 --> 00:56:06,155 Speaker 1: Habba spoke to the throng outside the Miami courthouse. She 872 00:56:06,275 --> 00:56:08,835 Speaker 1: also went on a Breitbart show and said that before 873 00:56:08,875 --> 00:56:11,915 Speaker 1: there was a trial, quote, we need a fair opportunity 874 00:56:11,955 --> 00:56:15,555 Speaker 1: to depose people and see what their answers are to 875 00:56:15,595 --> 00:56:18,955 Speaker 1: some of the things we have questions about. Haba said 876 00:56:18,995 --> 00:56:23,755 Speaker 1: she wanted people under oath explaining the raid, in other words, 877 00:56:23,795 --> 00:56:26,635 Speaker 1: the FBI search at Mary A Lago. It is quite 878 00:56:26,715 --> 00:56:30,035 Speaker 1: clear from that demand and that part just there about 879 00:56:30,075 --> 00:56:33,755 Speaker 1: a fair opportunity to depose people, that this Habba is 880 00:56:33,915 --> 00:56:38,115 Speaker 1: under the impression that in a criminal case, the defendant 881 00:56:38,955 --> 00:56:44,075 Speaker 1: gets to take depositions from the prosecutors from the FBI. 882 00:56:45,555 --> 00:56:50,795 Speaker 1: I mean, I took one communications law class as a 883 00:56:50,915 --> 00:56:56,115 Speaker 1: junior in college forty six years ago this fall, and 884 00:56:56,155 --> 00:56:59,035 Speaker 1: even I know that criminal defendants don't get to cross 885 00:56:59,075 --> 00:57:03,555 Speaker 1: examine the special Council. You could never tell Alina Habba 886 00:57:03,675 --> 00:57:06,955 Speaker 1: made her name in parking lot real estate law, could 887 00:57:07,035 --> 00:57:12,435 Speaker 1: you so? Before the punchline to all this the additional 888 00:57:12,475 --> 00:57:16,035 Speaker 1: comic relief, let's recap. Smith has charged Trump for mishandling 889 00:57:16,075 --> 00:57:19,515 Speaker 1: government documents in Florida. That's case one. He seems to 890 00:57:19,515 --> 00:57:22,155 Speaker 1: be on the verge of indictments on the phony fundraising scheme. 891 00:57:22,195 --> 00:57:25,395 Speaker 1: That would be case two. Ryan Goodman is confident Smith 892 00:57:25,435 --> 00:57:27,915 Speaker 1: will also indict Trump on the fake elector slates. That 893 00:57:27,915 --> 00:57:31,355 Speaker 1: would be number three. He has added in the prospect 894 00:57:31,395 --> 00:57:33,635 Speaker 1: of a Smith indictment against Trump for trying to coerce 895 00:57:33,675 --> 00:57:36,915 Speaker 1: Mike Pence that's four, and Goodman also thinks it's half 896 00:57:36,995 --> 00:57:40,675 Speaker 1: half that Smith will expand the document's case to include 897 00:57:40,715 --> 00:57:47,035 Speaker 1: illegal dissemination of defense information in New Jersey. And now, lastly, 898 00:57:47,075 --> 00:57:51,435 Speaker 1: the promised punchline quick peek into the parallel universe in 899 00:57:51,475 --> 00:57:54,995 Speaker 1: which Trump is completely innocent and he's being framed and 900 00:57:55,115 --> 00:57:57,235 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is going to resign by the end of 901 00:57:57,235 --> 00:58:01,715 Speaker 1: the week and then be jailed. Now, Rudy Giuliani says 902 00:58:01,835 --> 00:58:03,915 Speaker 1: one of the key players in the Reducts of the 903 00:58:04,035 --> 00:58:07,635 Speaker 1: Ukraine can abpiracy that exists only in his viagra addled 904 00:58:07,715 --> 00:58:15,755 Speaker 1: mind Barisma II Electric Boogaloo, that witness has died at 905 00:58:15,755 --> 00:58:19,475 Speaker 1: the same exact time Congressman Jamie Comber, who I think 906 00:58:19,955 --> 00:58:22,955 Speaker 1: is now beginning to regret fronting this story in which 907 00:58:22,995 --> 00:58:25,715 Speaker 1: they don't know if there's a source and the source 908 00:58:25,755 --> 00:58:28,795 Speaker 1: doesn't know, if there's a whistleblower, and the whistleblower doesn't know, 909 00:58:28,795 --> 00:58:31,995 Speaker 1: if there's a foreign oligarch, and the foreign oligarch doesn't know, 910 00:58:32,075 --> 00:58:35,275 Speaker 1: if there's seventeen audio tapes and some of them are dead. 911 00:58:36,435 --> 00:58:40,955 Speaker 1: I think Jamie Comer's beginning to regret this, and if 912 00:58:40,955 --> 00:58:43,875 Speaker 1: he wasn't before, now he is now because his newest 913 00:58:43,875 --> 00:58:47,475 Speaker 1: Congressional office disbursement filing has been made for the first quarter, 914 00:58:47,515 --> 00:58:50,235 Speaker 1: and it includes such thrillers as two hundred and forty 915 00:58:50,235 --> 00:58:54,355 Speaker 1: four dollars for janitorial services and fourteen dollars to mailchimp. 916 00:58:54,595 --> 00:58:57,235 Speaker 1: And then there is the four hundred and forty five 917 00:58:57,315 --> 00:59:03,715 Speaker 1: bucks Comber's office paid to the Wooden Casket Company LLLC 918 00:59:04,115 --> 00:59:08,435 Speaker 1: of Tompkville, Kentucky. The purpose listed on the file is 919 00:59:09,675 --> 00:59:18,075 Speaker 1: habituation expense. So Jamie Comer's witnesses are dead and Jamie 920 00:59:18,115 --> 00:59:20,435 Speaker 1: Comber's office has just bought a four hundred and forty 921 00:59:20,435 --> 00:59:24,875 Speaker 1: five dollars casket for somebody or something to live in 922 00:59:27,355 --> 00:59:44,715 Speaker 1: what Comber's hopes of reelection. I've done all the damage 923 00:59:44,755 --> 00:59:46,515 Speaker 1: I can do here. Thank you for listening. Here are 924 00:59:46,515 --> 00:59:48,795 Speaker 1: the credits. Most of the music was arranged, produced and 925 00:59:48,875 --> 00:59:51,395 Speaker 1: performed by Brian Ray and John Phillip Shaneal, who are 926 00:59:51,475 --> 00:59:55,315 Speaker 1: the Countdown musical directors. 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So that's countdown for this, the eight 935 01:00:20,995 --> 01:00:24,555 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety sixth day since Donald Trump's first attempted 936 01:00:24,595 --> 01:00:27,315 Speaker 1: coup against the democratically elected government of the United States. 937 01:00:27,875 --> 01:00:33,395 Speaker 1: Arrest him again while we still can, mister Attorney General. 938 01:00:33,795 --> 01:00:36,315 Speaker 1: The next scheduled countdown is tomorrow. Until then, I'm Keith Olberman. 939 01:00:36,395 --> 01:00:48,395 Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, goodnight, and good luck. Countdown with 940 01:00:48,555 --> 01:00:52,835 Speaker 1: Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts 941 01:00:52,875 --> 01:00:57,595 Speaker 1: from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 942 01:00:57,675 --> 01:00:59,035 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.