WEBVTT - The Very Stupid Man Who Stole Army Secrets to Impress Gamers 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:09.680 Ah, it's it could happen here a podcast about things 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:14.400 falling apart, and today I'm I'm happy that we're we're 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:19.400 recording this right now, James and Garrison, because we all 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:23.280 just got a historic example of something falling apart. Elon 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:27.200 Musk's Big silly rocket. We're recording this about a day 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:29.639 or so after it exploded in mid air over the 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:35.080 Gulf Coast, showering a turtle sanctuary with toxic waste. It's 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:36.720 such a such a fun news. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:37.959 It's comically perfect. 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:40.200 It is. Really, it is pretty cool. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.479 Perfect unless it crash landed in a kitten farm. That 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.960 couldn't really be Yeah perfect, No, I mean it. What's 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.200 nice is that it's given me. It's made me feel 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.280 young again because when I was a wee lad, I 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.760 was attending a speech a debate rally in Cooper, Texas, 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.880 when the last Space Shuttle to explode exploded directly over us, 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.760 blowing out a bunch of the windows in the building 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:05.880 and raining. 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.959 Yeah, yeah, it was, it was. It was. Yeah. So 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.920 I whenever whenever a Space shuttle explodes over of some sort, 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.039 explodes over Texas, I get powerful nostalgia. 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.840 Well, they they slipped the surly bonds of Verse to 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.039 blow out the windows in a high school in Kobe, Texas. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.399 That's that's how the line goes. It makes me think 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.080 of all the other things I was doing that day, 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.760 which was namely playing Lord of the Rings risk in 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.679 a high school gym as we as we were wont 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.600 to do great game, one of the better, one of 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:40.000 the better risk covers. What are we talking about today, friendos, buddies, 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.080 well shaple pals. 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:44.560 Yeah, we're talking. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:48.760 About talking about one one man having having a fun 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.080 time on Discord dot com. 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:55.240 Yeah, doing the human equivalent of being a space ship 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:56.640 that explodes in the sky. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:03.560 Yes, I suppose Discord's not really a dot com. It's 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.800 it's more, it's more, it's more of a more of 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.640 an application now, but yes, it is what. 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.400 Good Discord and that I'm permanently banned from. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:19.919 Please what did you do to Discord? You get from Discord? 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:20.840 I should a video? 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:22.239 Who's on Discord? 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.000 Right? Like the worst people? 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:25.400 All of the worst people? 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:25.880 You know. 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.640 We tried to start a Discord for the fundraising live show, 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.760 and I tried with several emails, and every time it 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:32.040 came back with ban evasion. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:34.880 Wow, that is extremely funny James. 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.520 Yeah, I posted with chickens and it has never forgiven me. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.120 Wow. Well, I mean, you know, those chickens didn't consent 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.440 and they were technically naked, so I think it does 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:46.840 count as revenge point. 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.799 My chickens are always close. Little chicken pe. 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.639 Oh yeah, you're one of the pansies. There's a big 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.120 conflict in chicken owners and James has taken aside. So 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.240 we're talking this week about the discord, and this is 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.000 one of those things we came into this kind of 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.280 debating how much detail to go into. But when we 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.840 brought this up, like this is something that gare, James 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:10.920 and I is like a major thing in our bubble 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.160 for the last like week, so we've all been following it. 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.079 But when we brought this up in the work chat, 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.200 Daniel had no idea that this had gone on. So 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.600 we're going to start with a pretty basic overview of 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.760 what what people are calling the largest leak of top 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:32.200 secret US military and defense data since you know Snowden. 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.080 So we're we're going to go over all of that 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.400 right now. I think I want to start by talking 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.680 about an MMO RPG called war Thunder. 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.040 This is a can you break down MMO RPG for 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:45.720 those of us. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.840 It's it's a it's like World of Warcraft. It's a 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.840 big video game that is play you play online with 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:54.280 a bunch of strangers. It's a free game. You use 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:58.280 like modern military weapons to like fight other players. And 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:02.360 it's kind of well known for having extremely realistic renderings 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:06.320 and sort of depictions of the functionality of modern tanks 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:11.600 and armored transports and fighter planes and naval vessels. Right so, 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.200 and it's like it's it's a game for war nerds, right, 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:20.080 Like you utilize like radar in a way that's broadly realistic, 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.840 Like if you shoot, you know, if one tank shoots 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.440 in another, the tank's weaponry works the way it's supposed 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.599 to be in the real world. The armor is vulnerable 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.400 where it's vulnerable in the real world. And this is 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.480 like the appeal to the kind of nerds who play 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.160 this game, and as you might guess, from a bunch 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.240 of people who really want to, like in the most 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:43.360 realistic way possible render and fight each other with modern 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:48.360 military vehicles. A significant number of these dudes are members 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:52.880 of various different like defense departments, right or at least 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.920 are employed in some degree of various different national military 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:01.800 forces several different As a result, like when arguments happen, 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.440 you know, with any MMORPG, if you're playing like World 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:08.040 of Warcraft right and like something gets nerved or something 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.160 isn't working as well as it's supposed to, you'll get 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.960 these like massive threads in the forums where people are 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.920 like arguing about how something needs to be changed or 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.760 changed back, or how there's a glitch or whatever. And 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:22.919 because war Thunder is so based in realism, when you 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:26.120 have these arguments online, it's often like, well, you know, 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.480 the F fifteen shouldn't work this way, it should work 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.680 this way, and people will get into arguments about that, 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.680 and then someone will as happened like a couple of 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:39.719 weeks ago, I think one we'll post sensitive information about 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.719 the F fifteen strike Egle in order to like prove 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.120 that it would function the way that they are arguing 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:51.039 it should function in this forum debate. That happened earlier 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.159 this year, and I think with the F fifteen, it 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.840 wasn't technically top secret information. It was information that US 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.960 citizens were allowed to have but not allowed to post 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:05.200 online because that's a violation of something called ear which 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:09.600 is a thing that governs the export essentially of military 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:16.080 information and technology. But on another situation, I think, like 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:17.960 a year or so ago information of it. I believe 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:22.160 the F twenty two was posted that was extremely sensitive, 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.839 that was like top secret. And these are again like 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.159 some dude who's got some sort of military job and 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.599 has a clearance and thinks that the right way to 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.400 use it is arguing about the video game War Thunder. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.640 These are not just Americans. I want to be clear 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.240 about that. In July of twenty twenty one, there was 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.640 a player arguing about a Challenger two tank who claimed 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.760 to have been a former tank commander with the British Army, 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.960 and he shared information from the Army Equipment Support publication. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:55.680 The information had been labeled unclassified, but it was actually classified. 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.680 And other lakes has been a little more gall A 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.200 French Army soldier leaked information on the Clerk main battle 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.279 tank that was top secret, and a Chinese user leaked 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:11.000 capabilities of the Chinese Armies DTC ten one hundred and 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.800 twenty five millimeters anti tank round that should not have 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:17.040 been leaked. So this shit keeps happening in war Thunder. 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.320 It's like a joke like the war th Under account 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.000 when these discord leaks happened a week or so ago, 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.680 like joked about it. But like the thing that the 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.960 game is known for, Yeah, is these like different people 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.560 in different national defense apparati can't stop themselves from like 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.200 leaking stop secret info about vehicles. 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.600 It's very funny. It gets the only reason I know 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.040 why war th Under exists. I think it's the only 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.320 reason why we know a decent amount of what like 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.760 by we here and meaning that could like I guess 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.760 Western militries no, which of course we are all members of. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.560 No about the Russian main battle tanks is from war 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:54.560 th Under leaks. 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:56.320 Yeah, very funny. 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.280 Yeah, and you have to assume I would be surprised 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.760 if no one had tried just like having you know, 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:07.520 an agent from a national security agency in uh oh, 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.720 for sure they're trying to like be like trying to 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.360 like provoke arguments about Chinese tanks or whatever. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:16.720 I'd be shocked if that hasn't happened. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.600 Yeah, Like the overlap between like people who might play 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.400 warth Under anyway and people who might work for a 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.520 national security agency, like those Van diagrams are. 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:29.040 A circle, yeah, exactly, So it's one of those things 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.040 where this happens a bunch on war thunder, but it's 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.000 just kind of something that people joke about because these 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:37.560 leaks like they're meaningful, I guess to like militaries care 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.680 about them, but like you sitting at home, you hear like, oh, hey, 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:45.400 details of like the couple of construction of the new 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.199 abrams like models as leak. That's not like the same 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.599 as I don't know, Chelsea Manning leaking information about like 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.440 war crimes by the US military in Iraq, or Edward 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.160 Snowden leaking info about like the NSSA, Like it's a 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:04.200 little less relevant to most. What we started seeing a 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:08.599 couple of weeks ago is documents top secret labeled documents, 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:13.559 like actual pictures of straight up unredacted top secret US 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:19.079 Defense Department documents just kind of filtering out over various discords, 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.160 and they were kind of appearing in random little bits. 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.360 You'd see one that was like an update on the 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.760 war in Ukraine that was kind of showing concerns that 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.359 the US military had about the ability of the Ukrainian 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.320 military to carry out the counter offensive that everybody's expecting 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.199 in the near future. You had like casualty estimates from 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.560 the US military. Another document that was leak had like 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:45.200 a bunch of information inside the Russian General staff. So 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:49.240 these are number one, very serious leaks, right you're talking about, 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:53.440 especially with the leaks from inside Putin's kind of inner circle. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.880 You're talking about leaks that could potentially expose a major 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.760 US source inside the Russian government. And you're also talking 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.760 about leaks that just kind of reveal the degree to 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:07.600 which the CIA has an enormous amount of information apparently 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.280 at least about what's happening inside the Kremlin. You know. 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:15.160 So these are very significant leaks, but they didn't appear. 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.480 They weren't being like you know, kind of filtered out 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.800 and released by an agency like Wiki leaks, They weren't 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.679 being sent to journalists. They were just kind of showing 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.680 up in these you know, Discord is basically a series 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.080 of chat rooms, and they were just kind of showing 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.640 up in different discords. So this is, you know, a mystery, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.440 and it's the kind of mystery that like a certain 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:41.320 kind of person who is extremely online is not going 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:42.840 to be able to get out of their head and 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:44.720 is going to kind of try to trace back to 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.679 its origin and in the case of this specific mystery. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.360 The nerd who could not get it out of their 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.800 head and decided to trace it back to its origin 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:58.360 was my former boss at Bellingcat, Eric Tohler. Eric is 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.360 a very nice guy, probably the most talented and skilled 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.640 researcher that I've ever met in my life. And you know, 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.560 Eric started seeing these, like everyone else, these top secret documents, 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.680 and was like, where the fuck are these coming from? 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:13.840 And this is one of those things we'll talk about. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:17.760 It's become extremely controversial among a certain set of people 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.080 in the day since. But when this kind of started, 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.800 Number one, you can't really deny there was an intense 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.480 public interest in figuring out what the origin point of 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.400 these was, because that was the only way to figure 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.920 out are the these actual leaks. When you see something 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.880 that's just like listed as a top secret document randomly 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.040 on the internet, if you call up the US government 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.240 and you say, hey, is this real top secret in 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.600 They're not going to say yes, right Like, you don't 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:47.880 get that response from them, I mean. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.000 And especially right now with all of like the AI 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:56.359 chat generation tools, generating fake documents is one of the 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.720 main things people are doing for disinfo. Generating like fake 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.360 soce fake documents. Of course, you can like edit things 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.120 the further to like make them seem more realistic. But yes, 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.960 someone who was extremely curious is going to wonder if 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:13.680 this is actually like a real thing or if this 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.320 is just some like bullshit prank or something. 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:20.520 And there were edits of these documents did also go violin. 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.960 In fact, Tucker Carlson, one of the original documents shows 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.480 kind of US estimates for killed in action on Ukraine's 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:29.960 on the Ukrainian side and on the Russian side in 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:35.359 the war. Obviously, it showed more Russian casualties than Ukrainian casualties, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.160 which is consistent with all previous reporting, but the edit 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.000 of it showed something like many times as many Ukrainian 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.440 dead as Russian dead, which is, you know, something that 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.920 was valuable for the people who are trying to argue that, 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.720 like this war is unwinnable on behalf of the Ukrainians. 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.200 Guys like Tucker Carlson, who covered the leaks on his 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:01.000 show and knowingly used the fake edit of the league, 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.079 I can't imagine. I have to assume it was knowingly 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.959 because it had been very well exposed by that point. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.360 So there's really no other explanation I think. But anyway, 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.160 the fact that there were edits of these documents that 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.560 were not legitimate going around, it's just kind of part 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.680 of why there was a legitimate public interest in trying 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.800 to figure out where the fuck are these things coming from. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:26.160 Eric is again an extremely good researcher, and through a 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.960 mix of open source intelligence and eventually just kind of 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.120 like calling up people and talking to them, he found 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.880 what appeared to be the source of these leaks, which 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:40.400 was an invitation only clubhouse on discord of like thirty 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:45.040 ish people, most of whom were teenagers. Over time, it 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:48.640 kind of became clear that this group was a bunch 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.199 of kind of young people who had gotten together during 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:56.200 the pandemic to talk about, you know, games. These guys 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.120 are all gamers. Most of them were like kids in 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.160 high school. They kind of were cut off from their friends, 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.120 so they wanted a place to be social. They would 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:09.080 share memes, including like extremely racist, you know, borderline Nazi shit. 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.679 They would like watch movies over and like chat over 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:16.000 kind of the voice app. They were all what you 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:22.240 call trad cats, which is like basically weirdo Catholic fundamentalists, 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.360 like I think a lot of them deny Vatican two, 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.640 that sort of shit. It's like a whole thing. A 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.000 lot of them were that at least, so there were 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.000 a lot of like praying in anyway, a bunch of weirdos. 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.640 And the head of this group of weirdos was the 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.120 oldest of them, a guy who was known on like 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:46.680 in the discord as og and Og. He's a was 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:50.000 you know, in the Land of the teenagers, the person 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.480 in their early twenties who can buy an AR fifteen 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.240 is king. And so this guy is in his early twenties. 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.160 He's in the military, which he talks about. He posts 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.360 videos of him like shooting guns and like you know, 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.960 saying racial slurs and like signposting to these like you know, 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.680 weird memes and stuff that they're all into, which to 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:13.360 them like makes him seem extremely cool. Right. It's one 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.120 of those things when you kind of read the different 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:20.040 coverage of this, it's there's a little bit of like 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.920 weird culty stuff going on. I don't know if I'd 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.840 say that it was a cult in more than just like. 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.760 In every discord server is a cult exactly. 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:34.080 The insular online communities like this very often reproduce aspects 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:35.040 of cult dynamics. 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:47.840 Right, Hey, everybody, Robert here. 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.040 We had a little audio error obviously in the recording. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.600 I wanted to clarify this section because it was kind 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.560 of garbled. The name of the discord server they were 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:00.640 in was thug Shaker Central, which is potentially a reference 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.560 to one of a couple of things. You'll find some 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.200 disagreement about this online, but it's not really relevant. That's 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.840 the discord name that they've worked under. You get, like 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.160 the overall point of this, it's a bunch of like 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.120 kids who are fans of games. They're fans of like 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:19.840 this this YouTuber Oxide. It's like a little group of 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:24.880 dudes who got together via fandom and the pandemic and 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.680 over the course of years developed like a shared culture. 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.040 And part of the shared culture is this guy og 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:34.200 who's the older one of them, you know, trying to 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.720 keep them aware of what he thought was important about 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.640 kind of global politics, and that particularly included aspects of 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:47.240 like battlefield conditions in Ukraine, information about North Korean ballistic missiles, 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.680 all of this kind of stuff that he had access 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.640 to because spoilers. He was in an Air National Guard 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:57.120 wing as an intelligence and like it was in the 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.720 intelligence sector of like an air National Guard ring, and 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.840 he had a security classification, right, And once this all 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:05.840 got revealed, people are like, why the fuck is a 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.240 twenty one year old because that's this guy's age have 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.359 access to top secret data, And everyone who knows anything 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:15.600 about the way our government classifies information was like, most 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:20.959 of the people access are like twenty Yeah, fights are 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.520 wars fifty year olds. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.240 Yeah, I think it does genuinely like you know, like 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.680 if we've been around war and conflict of the people 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:32.400 who do it quite long, I think most people would 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.280 be genuinely burn away that most people doing it are children. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:39.080 Yeah, And this has caused like obviously some problems before 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.359 for the Defense Department, but it's also like it's kind 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.440 of a thorny problem because like most of your workforce 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.760 are always going to be young kids. These are spoilers 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:53.680 shitty jobs often and that's the only one who will 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:54.120 do a. 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:54.439 Lot of them. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.920 And also, just like if you're fighting a war, most 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:58.439 of the people you have that are going to be 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.640 tasked with field intelligence are going to be in this age. 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:02.320 And see, it's not at all weird that this guy 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.439 had access to this shit. What is weird is that. 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:09.119 So he starts off kind of like arguing, you know, 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.680 sometimes he'll bring up stuff that he knows that's from 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.880 classified documents while he's arguing, you know, about the war 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.919 in Ukraine or whatever with these friends online, and then 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.440 he starts doing like a series of regular updates where 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:25.400 he'll basically he'll type out details from like a bunch 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.320 of different top secret documents and these massive, long and 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:32.439 apparently kind of hard to read posts, and he'll just 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.480 like post them into the chat to kind of keep 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.400 his friends abreast of what he thinks is, you know, important. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.000 But he gets frustrated over time that like they're not 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:44.040 reading this shit because it's really boring and like kind 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.679 of weird to just infoed up top secret info, and 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.800 they don't. These kids don't again, like these other folks 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.040 are like in high school. They don't really realize where 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.720 he's getting the info or what he has, but they do. 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.240 The folks who do pay attention recognize over time that 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.640 like stuff will happen in the real world that corresponds 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:01.520 to something, and he posted a couple of weeks ago 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.600 and they're like, wow, he seems to have like actually 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:09.600 really good information. Eventually, og gets frustrated because he's not 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.880 no one's paying attention to his posts, so he starts 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.239 taking photos of just the top secret documents themselves and 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:18.920 posting them in the discord day. 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:20.080 Amazing. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.000 Now this is unbelievably illegal. 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:28.200 Yeah, he really crossed a line there. I just don't 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.359 believe it would be dumb by the way it was 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.880 illegal before, but this is really illegal in terms of 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:38.119 like allowing yourself making it so much easier for the 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:42.320 consequences of you're fucking around to find you like that. 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:43.880 He crushed the rubicon right there. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.320 Yeah, so, and and now we have to face the 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:51.639 hard question is this guy an illegalist king or is 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.159 he more problematic? And this is this is the question 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:59.480 that we have to actually focus on now stop because 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.840 it is. It is, on one hand, pretty funny. It's 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:04.080 exceedingly funny. 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.920 There's zero argument there among people who aren't shiptheads. It's 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.359 very funny. Yeah, it's very. 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:12.600 Funny that like he could be doing an illegalism with 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.879 that with with zero intention of doing so. 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.040 Now, I do think there's a some people have kind 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.040 of errantly called him a whistleblower. 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:25.040 I just not that's not active. That is that is 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:26.000 not what he's doing. 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:31.720 He's a Nazi who's posting topsycret information to impress children online. 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.639 That's right, Garrison. I do think we have to. I 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:38.600 think we have to. Let's let's dig into that a 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.440 little bit, because a whistleblower is somebody who exposes information 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:47.480 from inside of an organization for some sort of purpose. Right. 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.800 They believe that what's going on is wrong. They think that, 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.959 like there's they believe there's some sort of public interest 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:57.159 in information that is being kind of siloed inside of 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.000 an organization that they're a part of, and they release 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:02.120 that organization. Right, Fundamentally, that's what a whistleblower is. This 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.359 guy was telling his friends and this thirty person discord, 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:07.800 do not post these anywhere else. This is not stuff 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:09.560 that you're allowed to share. This is just for your 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:13.960 eyes because we're friends. Right. He does not intend for 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:19.760 this to get out. But here's the thing. All of 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.920 his friends in this group are like dumb kids, and 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:26.040 just like those people on war Thunder, they start getting 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.399 into arguments with people outside of the discords yet and 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.240 other discords discords. One of them is a fan discord 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.200 for some other YouTuber. One of them is the discord 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.879 is a Minecraft discord, and they get into arguments with 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.760 random other users about like the war in Ukraine and stuff. 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.479 And when they're having those arguments, they'll hear someone make 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.120 a point and they'll think back to a top secret 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:49.679 document that OG posted, and they'll be like, well, I 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:53.840 know you're wrong because I've seen some CIA like satellite 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:57.440 footage that shows that this isn't accurate. And rather than 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:00.359 being like, well, I guess I can't prove this person 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:03.840 wrong on the Internet without exposing my friend in our 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:10.199 private discord to being imprisoned for the decade, they just 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.600 grabbed top secret documents that he posted and they post 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.160 them in these other discords, and that's how this shit 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:22.159 breaks containment right now. It's one of those things I 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:25.840 do want to note that, like, these are not generally speaking, 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:30.920 super pleasant people. OG is the kind of guy who, 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.080 like one of his big arguments that he tries to 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.000 like make to these kids, he like claims that based 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.360 on the top secret info he has, which he posts, 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.879 nothing that proves this. The mass shooting in Buffalo, New 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:45.639 York by that Nazi at that majority you know, black 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:50.040 frequented grocery store, that that was like a government plot 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:52.800 to institute gun control, and shit, it was a false flag. 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.720 So he's not just posting good. He's like lying here too, 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:59.439 because obviously there's no intelligence to post backing that up. 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.280 He just he's just kind of trying to It's a 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.760 mix of he's trying to like prove that, you know, 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:06.960 he's trying to make arguments about like what's happening, you know, 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.520 in various overseas conflicts using a US intel, But he's 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:15.320 also just like spreading different kind of conspiracy theories that 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.159 he has to these kids who are by and large 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:21.120 looking up to him. There's a couple like the Washington 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.600 Post has done some really deep reporting where they talk 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:25.120 to some of these kids where they're like, yeah, man, 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:28.560 we loved him. Like when you realize this shit had 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:30.800 broken containment, he like called us and we were all 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:32.919 crying because we knew he was going to go to prison. 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:39.600 Like there they seem legitimately distraught. Yeah, there's like lines 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:41.679 like he said something had happened and he prayed to 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:43.840 God that this event would not happen, but now it's 0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:48.520 in God's hands. Like these are like weirdo, ashy kids 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.640 I hesitate to, like condemn like the literal children too 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:57.399 much because they're very vulnerable. This guy is like, this 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:00.960 guy is a bad person who is deep, like in 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.879 a very fucked up way, influencing this group of like 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:08.879 thirty ish teenagers on the internet in his like weird politics. 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:11.040 It's not great. Now, that's separate from the question of, 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:14.040 like is there a value to these leagues, which we 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:16.400 can talk about in a little bit. But so as 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:20.200 we've talked about, Eric Tohler tracks down where this is happening, 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:23.720 tracks down like the name og publishes a piece on 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:26.600 Belling Cat. It's sort of ripped off by like, I 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.960 don't know, it does like every other newspaper in the world, 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:34.399 and then additional reporting is done. Belling Cat and the 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:37.200 New York Times team up and they eventually like track 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.280 down and publish an article on who this guy is 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:46.439 an airman named Jack Tik Sarah, And they publish an 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:50.919 article about that about a day before this guy gets 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:55.159 arrested by the FBI. And it's one of those things, 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:58.080 one of the if you look at the FBI Affi David, 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:02.080 it kind of makes clear how the FBI cracked this 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:05.239 guy down and found him because they did so you know, 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:09.000 using the resources they had before The Times did online. 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.320 People have been going after The Times and Eric for 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.800 like revealing this guy to the government, which is not 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:18.240 the case. Basically, once it became clear what had gotten leaked, 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:22.119 the FBI, because they had access to you know, the 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:26.920 systems by which people utilize and get access to sensitive 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:31.600 compartmented information, found out who had most recently, like on 0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:34.240 the days that kind of correspond to the leaks, pulled 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:38.080 up information about that and narrowed it down to this 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:43.080 guy Jack, and they had access to Like one of 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.640 the things they did is they called Discord and talked 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:48.320 to Discord, and Discord helped them track down where the 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:52.120 leaks were originating from. And then because they could see 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:54.640 that the account that had posted you know, the top 0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:57.640 secret data originally was a paid account, they were able 0:25:57.680 --> 0:25:59.840 to like provide the FBI with this guy's home, a 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:02.200 dress and shit. This is exactly what you'd expect for 0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:02.560 the f. 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.160 Yeah, I mean, the FBI has a lot of non 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:08.360 open source means to do this type of investigation. 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:10.919 Yeah, they are not doing what Eric is doing and 0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:13.320 just kind of like clicking through shit for hours and 0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:15.960 hours and hours until they figure out where it's come from, 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:18.800 Like they have they are the FBI, they have access 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:21.000 to other things, and. 0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:23.520 It's what you'd expect from discord too, right, Like they 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:25.000 will comply with whatever. 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:28.560 Yes, they absolutely these are top secret that like if 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.399 they don't have a legal choice here, they're a gigantic company, 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.800 they're going to comply. So this is the kind of 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:37.880 thing where like one of the there's this big argument, 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:40.560 I don't even even though it's big, but there's definitely 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:42.639 like a weird chunk of the left that has like 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.800 leaned on because the right has immediately started calling this 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:50.720 guy a whistleblower, fucking Marjorie Taylor Green was like he's 0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.840 a Christian and he's a leaker trying to expose crucial 0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:56.879 details about our government, And no he wasn't. He was 0:26:56.920 --> 0:27:01.080 like trying to fucking groom some teenagers and they posted 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:02.160 without as permission. 0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:04.800 And a lot of a lot of the more conspiracy 0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:09.080 type stuff is like trying to call out like you know, 0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:12.199 it's a lot of the more conspiracy related stuff is 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:16.040 related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and making it 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:20.000 seem like the US is doing things that are wrong 0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:23.560 and secretly helping the Ukrainians too much, and it kind 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.000 of it it plays into this weird, weird thing that 0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.320 people have against the way Biden has been handling the 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:33.159 geopolitics around the Russian invasion, and it's like it it 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:35.800 plays into a whole bunch of right when you're talking 0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.080 points we've seen around Russia. 0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:38.919 You know, we've seen this. 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.240 Type of stuff get talked about by Tucker Carlson quite often. 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:44.520 There' there's a there's a whole bunch. 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.080 Of like little nodes that this that that this touches on, 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:49.560 and we even see we even see stuff like that 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.960 among like you know people who are authoritarian communists, right, 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:57.359 who are who are still pro Russia despite Russia not 0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:02.240 being a communist country, but still like being like oh there, 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:05.240 you know, this is something he's trying to expose the 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.040 things that are people are doing wrong to Russia. 0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:10.600 And it's like okay, all right. 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.480 Yeah, yeah, and to me it's one of them. And 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:17.240 there's also you've gotten among some chunks of this attitude 0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:19.080 that like well, you know, I don't care why he 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.639 did it or like what he is in his personal life. 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.199 Any leak you know of the US military machine is 0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:27.679 good and should be you know protected. And it's like, 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.719 for one thing, this guy like nobody knew where these 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.720 things were coming from. There was a vested need in 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:34.960 sort of figuring out what the origin point was, to 0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:38.520 figure out if they were accurate. But for like another thing, 0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:41.240 I don't know, Man, you can argue about like what 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.720 point you know, the digging, whether or not, like the 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:48.240 it's ethical to dig this shit back to its source. 0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:51.600 I would argue that, like people also have a right 0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.480 to know if there's some sort of fucking like like 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.120 if the documents were fake or altered in some way, 0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.000 there was a reason to be trying to figure out 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.240 the providence of this shit. But more to the point, 0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:04.760 like I think it's good to have access to like 0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:08.160 data from inside of our military. I think that's that's 0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:11.160 broadly positive. And when I look at these data, or 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:13.000 when I look at what's been leaked, I don't think 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.960 most of it's you know, one of the concerns that's 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:17.959 always that always exist when you're talking about a leak 0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:20.520 of data is like, is this going to expose like 0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:23.880 potentially innocent people to any kind of harm. And there 0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:26.320 is a potential for that with some of this, because 0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.800 some of it dealt with Ukrainian military readiness for the 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:33.440 upcoming offensive, and like, well, like I don't really care 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:37.560 if some guy inside the Kremlin who's like a member 0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:39.480 of the Russian General Staff and a double I don't 0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:41.520 care if that guy, like something bad happens to him. 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:46.080 He's probably not a great dude. But I do care 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.480 about like a bunch of random Ukrainian soldiers potentially getting harmed. Now, 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:51.600 I will say, from what I can tell from this, 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.440 I think the odds of that are pretty low. It 0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:57.440 looks like this has impacted kind of the timetable for 0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:00.600 the counter offensive, but I don't know that it's I 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.120 haven't seen any evidence that it's exposed things in a 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:06.160 way that's like going to cause loss of life, although 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:08.600 it's a little bit unclears to whether that not that 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:12.200 might happen. But also while I think it's accurate to say, 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.520 I'm not saying evidence that like a lot of people's 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:18.000 safety have been harmed by these leaks, it's also not 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:22.040 you know, it's not anything like what Snowden did or 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:26.840 what Manning did. Right again, Manning revealed you know, videos 0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:30.760 like the Collateral murder video, evidence of like breakdowns of 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:33.600 order and things that I think are accurate to call 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.480 war crimes that were being kind of hidden by our government. 0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:41.280 Whereas Snowden revealed intense details about an n Essay spying program, 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.680 all of that's extremely relevant to the average American. Most 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:48.600 of this is just kind of like wonky inside baseball 0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:52.560 military stuff, which again I'm not like sad that it's 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:56.800 gotten out, but it's also not It really does seem 0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.200 like a bunch of shit that like a guy pulled 0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.240 out based on his own kind of like weird interest. 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:06.320 It's not there's not like a strong unifying theme around them. 0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:08.520 And again, most of it's most of its shit that's 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:10.800 not going to be interesting to the average person. One 0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:13.640 of the documents I just read an article about because like, 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.400 we don't entirely know everything that was leaked right now, 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:18.760 right there's been there's like the Post in the Time 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:21.160 seem to have a pretty complete archive of what was leaked, 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.360 but they haven't published anything because you know they're reading 0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.959 through it and you know, actually reporting it out. One 0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:28.640 of the articles that just came out was about the 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:32.720 fact that the Ukrainians made some overtures to the Kurdish 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:39.200 led self administration in in northern northeast Syria to Rojaba 0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:42.400 to the SDF in order to talk about the potential 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:48.320 for them attacking Russian assets in elsewhere in Syria. When 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.320 this has kind of gotten out over like Twitter, it's 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:54.360 often been like described as, oh, the Ukrainians were going 0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:56.640 to team up with the Courage to attack Russia in Syria, 0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:01.120 like like this was an actual like Siria plan would 0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.720 actually set the document. It seems a lot less inciting 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:08.000 than that. Basically, what happened was some folks on the 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:12.440 Ukrainian General staff or whatever were like looking into the possibility, Hey, 0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:14.400 you know, is there any way that we could kind 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:17.720 of anything we could pay the Kurds over in Syria 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:20.040 to carry out an attack on the Russians. And apparently 0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:23.240 they had access to somebody who claimed to be in 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:25.880 the SDF at least, and that person was like, we 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.040 might be able to do something if you can get 0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:31.520 us some anti air defenses, right, which I don't know 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.760 how Ukraine could possibly ship meaningful anti air defenses to 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:39.040 northeast Syria. It's kind of bordered on all sides. There 0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:40.560 is some stuff. If you're a walk in the region, 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:42.840 there's some interesting stuff about this, which is that the 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.200 SDF basically responded, like, we could potentially do this, we 0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:49.120 couldn't attack Russian assets that are within the borders of 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:53.760 the self administration. Russians are acting as peacekeepers there between 0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:58.040 Turkey and you know, it's kind of desire to invade 0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:02.000 the entire region. They're not great as peacekeepers. The Armenians 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:05.040 will tell you that Russian soldiers are not great, great givers. 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.320 But the SDF didn't want to, like shit where they 0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:10.200 were eating, right, so there was some debate about where 0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:12.080 they might be able to attack. One of the things 0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:14.480 that is really interesting about this week is that apparently 0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:18.480 Ukraine like talk to Turkey about this, because obviously the 0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:21.880 Turks consider the core of the SDF the YPG to 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:26.800 be a terrorist organization. But when Ukraine was talking to them, 0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.800 they're like, hey, we might basically bribe these people to 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:32.600 carry out an attack on Russian assets elsewhere in Syria. 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:34.560 Turkey was like, okay, well, don't do it here or 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:36.240 here here, because that's kind of close to some our 0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:39.880 guys might like that. That party is interesting. But again, 0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:44.040 none of this matters all that much because nothing happened 0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.800 as far as we know in December, Zelenski was like, no, 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:51.560 don't proceed with looking into this. This is the kind 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:54.040 of thing like the US military has, like plans for 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:56.160 what happens if we have to fight Canada. This is 0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:58.760 the kind of thing defense departments do. And as far 0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:00.880 as I can tell, there's there's no evidence that went 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:04.200 much for them, like a series of phone calls right which, 0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.640 by the way, the SDF denies ever happened. I don't 0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.480 know what exactly occurred. I don't know if it's hard 0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:11.480 for me to tell. Did the Ukrainians were they talking 0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.320 to someone who is actually a representative of the sdfs 0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:17.920 like military hierarchy, or was this like some guy that 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.800 they thought was because maybe Ukraine doesn't have great context 0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:23.200 into the air like or did the US. And it's 0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:25.120 it's not kind of clear. Did the US maybe like 0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:28.640 hook them up with somebody, but it doesn't like at 0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:31.120 the at the end of the day, you can argue, 0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:33.040 as someone who follows the region, I find this kind 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:38.680 of interesting. It's not exactly like groundbreaking, you know, in 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.960 its importance, because nothing happened, no one did anything. This 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:44.920 is like some guys in Ukraine thought about doing a 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:48.000 thing and then decided not to, which is, you know, 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.440 potentially interesting context, but we're not talking about the manning 0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:52.600 or the snowed in lakes here. 0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:57.239 Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's that particular document I think 0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:00.480 is kind of clearly they have access to people who 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:04.360 have formally fought in Syria with the YPG right there. 0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:05.279 There are probably. 0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:08.880 Dozens of them now fighting in Ukraine without a volunteer units. 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.239 Like it's it's not hard to see how this thought 0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:13.560 came up. But like you said, nothing really happened. It 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.080 was just some people like spitboarling. 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:28.920 So I don't know. There's some other like bits and 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.680 stuff in here that are kind of interesting. One of 0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:34.680 them was there was a document in there about how 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:38.320 the US had kind of like interfered in peace negotiations 0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:42.839 in Yemen due to like kind of concerns that they 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:45.040 had about the fact that China was kind of brokering 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.040 a degree of peace between the Houthi rebels in between 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:52.400 the Saudi government. There's definitely some like slightly some somewhat 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:54.480 shady shit from the US in there, but at the 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.240 end of the day, it didn't derail the peace negotiations. 0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:00.239 It's just like, yeah, they were like like like and 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:02.279 a lot of it's like that where it's kind of like, 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:06.160 this is useful context. I'm glad historians or journalists reporting 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.040 it out will have that. But at the end of 0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:10.120 the day, like the fact that like, oh hey, at 0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:12.920 one point in these peace negotiations the US was like, 0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:15.960 you know, being being kind of a kind of a 0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:21.120 dick isn't exactly like shocking. You know, It's not going 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.960 to like change your overall concept of what's happening over there. 0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.319 It's not stuff that like is most of it's not 0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:32.240 stuff that's like massively important important. It is really interesting 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:37.680 that the detail that our defense establishment apparently has from 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.280 within the Russian government. I do think it's worth noting 0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.480 because we're talking, like when we talk about sort of 0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:47.120 the provenance of these and the reliability of these leaks 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:50.759 as they regard the war in Ukraine, there's been a 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.000 lot of talk about like, oh, this reveals that like 0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:55.279 the Ukraine doesn't have the capacity to carry out a 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.480 counter offensive, or that the war's gone much worse for 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.960 them than they think. It is kind of worth noting that, like, 0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:08.560 prior to the expanded Russian invasion, all US military intelligence 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:11.520 suggested that the Ukrainian government was going to fold in 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:14.840 a matter of days. So even though a lot of 0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:17.239 this is top secret info, that doesn't mean it's like 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:20.520 one hundred percent accurate. Right Like our guys, like think 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:24.240 back to the Iraq War, our dudes get shipped round constantly. 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.840 It is again, this is all really interesting. And I 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.480 will say two things. I think it's very funny that 0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:37.040 this guy nuked his entire life basically to impress children 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:40.440 on a discord. I think it's extremely funny. I have 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:44.640 laughed many a time at this. I also think it's like, like, 0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:46.960 as someone who is interested in this stuff, interesting that 0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:50.120 and good that we have this context. I don't think 0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:54.759 any of this is like massively surprising or shocking, Like 0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.760 the shit that's in that defense industry or a defense 0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:03.120 intelligence agency analysis of the Ukrainian position right now is 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.360 like stuff that you would know if you were paying 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:08.920 attention to the good ocent aggregators who have been covering 0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:11.000 the war, and if you've been like just reading good 0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.160 reporting on what's going on over there. I'll read a 0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:17.600 little bit of a summary from an article that's kind 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:19.400 of going over some of the other stuff that appears 0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.680 to have been leaked. One details information apparently obtained through 0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:25.840 US eavesdropping on Russia's Foreign intelligence service and suggests that 0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.279 China approved the provision of lethal aid to Russia and 0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:30.560 its war in Ukraine early this year and plan to 0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:34.720 disguise its military equipment as civilian items. Another includes details 0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:37.880 of a conducted by Beijing on one of its advanced 0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:41.000 experimental missiles, the DF twenty seven hypersonic light vehicle, on 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.640 February twenty fifth. It says the vehicle flew for twelve 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:45.880 minutes across thirteen hundred miles and that it possessed a 0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:50.480 high probability of penetrating US ballistic missile defense systems. The 0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:53.680 documents contain new details about a Chinese spy balloon dubbed 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.799 Killeen twenty three by US intelligence agencies, that earlier this 0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.800 year flew over the United States. They detail sophisticated so 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:02.799 aalen's equipment. US intelligence agencies were aware of up to 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.840 four additional Chinese bi balloons. The documents a and another 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:10.439 previously unreported revelation, and so let's let's kind of break 0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:14.240 that down. One thing we have here is a basically 0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:18.560 an argument through from the US that based on their intercepts. 0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:22.680 They believe that China has approved provisioning weaponry, selling weaponry 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:27.480 to Russia and disguising it as civilian items. That doesn't 0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:30.560 mean they have done this. It means that, like there's 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:34.840 sigent that someone in our government has that says that 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:38.239 they were. That could be disinformation from them. It could 0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:40.200 be out of date, it could be something like with 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.640 this Ukraine and Syria thing that they talked about doing 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:46.160 and then didn't do. It's interesting, I would say, if 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.600 you are a defense industry reporter, it's something that would 0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:51.799 could should definitely spur you to further reporting because like 0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:56.000 that's really relevant if that's occurring. But it's not the 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.879 final word on the matter. Meanwhile, you've got this thing 0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:01.520 on like, yeah, this hype masonic missile the Chinese had 0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:07.120 is good at shooting shit. Theoretically, this is, you know, 0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:09.440 the kind of thing that's that's interesting and I think 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:14.279 is probably more accurate than you know, talking about the 0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:18.000 China providing lethal aid because you can kind of you know, 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:21.120 theoretically you're looking at actual like data on how the 0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:23.279 missile has performed. It just seems like it's something that 0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:26.920 you've got more fidelity on But this is again to 0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:30.920 kind of contrast it with like the snowed and Manning leaks. Well, 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:32.719 what do you what do you do if like the 0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:35.360 NSSAY is spying on people, Well, you could at least 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:39.919 attempt to pass laws that restrict their ability to do that. Right, 0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:42.640 What do you do if there have been like war 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:45.440 crimes committed by your military that were then cover it up, Well, 0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:47.600 you can at least attempt to prosecute people. What do 0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:50.240 you do if some other countries got a better missile? Well, 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.000 there's not a whole lot for you to do sitting 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.000 at home and like New York City or you know, 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:59.920 fucking Austin, Texas, Right, Like, like, what are we to 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:04.200 do about China's hyper I don't know. My assumption generally speaking, 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:06.280 not that this is an interesting but my assumption generally 0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.840 speaking is that when you're talking about Russia, China, the 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:11.360 United States, we can all murder each other if we 0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:14.760 wanted to write like, we've all got real nice missiles 0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:17.960 at this point, and it's this, you know, the Chinese 0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:20.920 by balloon stuff is like interesting. I don't think anyone's 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.320 surprised by this, Like we knew there was a spy balloon. 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:28.480 I assumed it had sophisticated surveillance technique. It's again, it's 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.080 interesting that there were four other spy balloons in the area. 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:33.600 But we simply know from older reporting that this happened 0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:35.960 like three or four times while Trump was in office too, 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:38.359 So like, yeah, this is something we've known about. There's 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:42.799 been reporting about. This is corroboration. That's interesting. Again, none 0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:45.279 of this is really like a sea change in our 0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:48.560 understanding of any of these conflicts. It is interesting context. 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:52.040 Some of it's being blown up, you know, into stuff 0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:54.239 that it isn't. There's reporting and like the number of 0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:57.040 US servicemen in Ukraine that's being like spun is like 0:41:57.239 --> 0:41:59.239 we've got boots on the ground there and it's like, 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:01.920 well they're like the seaguards and stuff. There's like twenty 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:06.359 nine dudes that this like confirmed. Michael, Yeah, yeah, this 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:09.239 confirms there's not a lot of US guys on the 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:09.919 ground there. 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:12.480 You send a lot of people when we when we're 0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.080 doing wars. But yeah, like every embassy in the world 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:18.400 has a contingent of marines who make sure that it 0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:22.040 doesn't just get Yeah. I don't want to say bang ghazied, but. 0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:23.960 H yeah, yeah, you know, big Ghazzi. 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.680 Yeah, that's fine, and this is not new news to 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:30.400 anyone who's been paying attention. But if you are Michael Tracy, 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:32.000 this is brain melting shit. 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:36.279 Michael Tracy is a weirdo quasi left journalist who like 0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:38.879 early on in the war, he didn't want to go 0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:42.080 into Ukraine very much, but he like hung out in 0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:45.960 Poland and took pictures of like US soldiers and like 0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:49.520 a facility that they were had been in for years, 0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:52.080 and was like, look, you know, this is evidence of 0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:54.399 the secret US support. And it's like, guys, I mean, 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:56.640 for one thing, like look at this, Look at how 0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:59.120 much shit just leaked out because some kid wanted to 0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:02.960 impress children. If there were like like secret massive formations 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:06.919 of US troops or even large like forces of US 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:11.120 specops guys carrying out operations in Ukraine, how good do 0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:13.440 you think they'd be at keeping that shit secret? 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:14.040 Right? 0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:17.480 For one thing, like Special Forces guys get killed all 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.000 the fucking time, Like they get killed, they get overrun, 0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:23.480 like like's it's a terrible risk for US to just 0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:26.200 like send Seal Team six in to fight the Russians 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:30.480 when spoilers the Ukrainians have really good special forces guys 0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:33.600 every bit as good as ours actually, with a lot 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:36.560 of cases more experience fighting this kind of war. And 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:38.160 we're given and it's like, if you want to talk 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:41.479 about US involvement, we're giving them their weapons. Like we're 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.400 involved fucking plenty. There's just not much of a point 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:49.120 in US like sending the green fucking berets into Bakamut, right, 0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:52.799 Like why that doesn't That doesn't help us at all, 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.600 That doesn't like help our government. That's not like good 0:43:56.680 --> 0:44:02.480 for the military. It would be stupid anyway, whatever, anything 0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:03.480 else to talk about here? 0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:06.040 Do we want to talk about the Israel one? 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:08.879 Oh? Yeah, no, this is one of the interest although 0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.879 it's not. Again, basically one of the things that leaked 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:14.240 is like the US is spying on all of its allies, 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:17.280 which this leaks every couple of years. We're always spying 0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:21.920 on our allies, including Israel. Israel has spied on US 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.959 a bunch. That's why they have nuclear weapons. Yeah, James, 0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:25.719 you want to talk about this? 0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:30.080 Yeah, So this is a document that basically what it 0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:34.160 alleges is that what has been alleged, perhaps incorrectly, is 0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:38.560 that it was encouraging Mossad staff to attend protests against 0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:43.720 net Yahoo when he was attempting his like auto goldpe, 0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:46.680 like his coup from within, whatever you want to call that, right, 0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:51.160 he was attempting to centralized power, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:55.680 Now it's a leaked like you said, it's a document. 0:44:56.600 --> 0:45:00.800 It says that I'm quoting from it or from reporting 0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:03.439 on it. At least senior leaders of the Mossad spy 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:07.200 service advocated for Mossad officials and Israeli citizens to protest 0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:11.600 the new Israeli governments proposed judicial reforms, including several explicit 0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.360 calls to action that decried the Israeli government, according to 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:22.399 Singet Signals Intelligence the Infamy. So actually Netanyahu himself has 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:26.440 been asked about this, and it's worth he appointed the 0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:29.440 Mossad director, a guy called David I think it's by Neya, 0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:35.240 and he has also us He's on the record previously 0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:38.920 in news media before this saying that he had clarified 0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:43.120 to Mosad personnel who could attend protests and who could 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:47.799 not attend, like because at a certain point in any 0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:51.239 of these things that you're not allowed to be explicitly political, right, 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:54.120 and folks, even at a very low point in the 0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.320 US military that you're not supposed to say and do 0:45:56.440 --> 0:46:02.640 certain things. So, uh, there was a petition that went 0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:06.760 out earlier, and again this has already been reported. They 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:11.040 that were sent by intelligence offices basically saying like, we'll 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:15.360 go on strike. And there had been again like widely 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:19.759 reported instances other Israeli military people saying that they would 0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:22.160 go on strike or not shot up for work if 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:26.480 these judicial reforms went ahead. So I think again it's 0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:31.520 been kind of we've really stretched. What was interesting I 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:35.879 thought was that it had a Feiser label on fire 0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:40.520 series to Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and if people aren't familiar, 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:47.160 basically it allows US intelligence to wire tap things, which 0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:49.920 they can do it without warrant if it doesn't include 0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:54.640 a US person. So a US person is not just 0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.799 a citizen but also maybe a permanent resident something like that, right, 0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:01.520 like a person who has more rights than others in 0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:04.800 the United States. But in this case they seem to 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:08.520 have got a fis a warrant, which it's very easy 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:08.799 to get. 0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:09.000 Right. 0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:11.960 It's like a closed courtroom procedure where they go to 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:16.080 a judge and like it's not like an adversarial argument. 0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:18.440 Now's there's no one who argues that you should get 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:22.120 the warrant, and so in practice they really always get 0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:25.719 these warrants. But what it showed they have to just 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:28.920 prove its intelligence asset of a foreign power, and so 0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:30.560 it showed that at some point they went for a 0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:34.560 judge and said like, hey, you know, we need to 0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:39.799 wiretap some kind of some kind of communications or I'm 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:43.120 using wiretap in the broad sense, right specific sense. But 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:47.960 it's interesting I think that that they have some intelligence 0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:49.719 asset in the United States and said, hey, we know 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.799 this an Israeli intelligence asset, and to be clear that 0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:54.279 this could just be shit that's going in and out 0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:59.600 of the embassy, and they've decided that that they needed 0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:01.680 to wire that and keep an eye on that. Now, 0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:07.160 given given that like it's Rail's foreign policies has been 0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:09.799 talking terrible for decades, but nettan Yahoo is a new 0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:14.480 degree of crazy. Uh, it is it's unsurprising that like 0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:19.560 anyone concerned with I guess international relations would would want 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:21.839 to know more about what, yeah, is going on. 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:25.560 And again like that's it's interesting context. As you noted, 0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:29.279 a lot of this had been reported out previously, so yeah, 0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:35.880 we're it's it's just like it's it's it's all interesting again. 0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:38.839 I'm my, my, my. My attitude here is like I'm 0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:41.319 glad this information is out and I don't really care 0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:44.680 what happens to Jack techsi Era. Like, yeah, in my 0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:49.560 in my ideal world, the policing infrastructure that's come down 0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:55.319 on this kid would not exist. But he made this 0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:58.759 decision knowing full well what happens when you leak top 0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:00.480 se Like it's one of those things where it's like, 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:03.279 just just within the context of shit that's fucked up 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:05.480 in our country. The thing I'm going to be upset 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:09.480 about is not a kid leaking top secret info to 0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:13.440 win an online argument and then having it blow up 0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:15.960 on him, right, Like, especially not a kid who's a 0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:18.200 fucking Nazi. At the end of the day, he did 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:20.840 something that was obviously done. It's like if some guy 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:24.560 hops on Twitter under his real name and starts posting 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.480 pictures of heroin and saying, hey, guys, this is my 0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:31.080 name and address. I'm selling hella heroin. Here's photos of 0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:34.200 a felony quantity of heroin and guns. Well, I think 0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:37.680 heroin should be legal, but I'm not gonna like, I'm 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:40.160 not gonna like make a crusade out of that guy's arrest, 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:44.600 because that's stupid. Like, you know what happens if you post, Hey, 0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:47.480 here is my at home address and name. Here is 0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:50.319 all of the heroin I'm selling. Yeah, you'll probably get 0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:54.720 in trouble because you have posted online a serious crime. 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:57.719 Obviously that could be a problem for you. That's just 0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:00.360 not my primary concern in the world when people do 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:03.759 really stupid shit and it blows up on them, and 0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:07.759 it's like again, leakers, you look at the way Manning proceeded, 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:10.880 You look at the way Snowden proceeded. They were aware 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:13.160 of the danger of what they were doing. I mean, 0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:16.200 you know, Chelsea did years in fucking prison. Snowden fled 0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:16.760 the country. 0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:21.879 That's there because they were whistleblowers. They under they under 0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:25.840 they understood this is a serious like this is very illegal, 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:27.800 and I have to try to take steps to protect 0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:31.640 myself because the government's going to come after me. The 0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:33.920 thing about Jack is like just the level of like 0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:36.839 arrogance that like I can post this shit all day 0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:39.719 long and nothing will happen. It was like, well, for 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:43.480 one thing, this is never going like it's information you're 0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:45.719 posting online, Like I don't care. There's no way to 0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:49.440 keep stuff completely contained within a thirty person discord. It's 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:52.200 going to leak out, and when it is, the government's 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.319 gonna want to know who the fuck is leaking this ship. 0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:57.760 And you took like took pictures of this shit inside 0:50:57.760 --> 0:51:00.960 his home, like it's just dumb. I'm not gonna like. 0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:03.359 I don't at the end of the day, I have 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:07.120 no room in my sympathy for like a a fucking 0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:10.680 fascy kid who committed the dumbest crime possible and got 0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:12.960 in trouble. Like I don't know, there's there's people who 0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:15.680 I don't know. For example, we're camping in a forest 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:20.359 and are getting charged with terrorism and facing longer penalties. Right, 0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:22.960 Jack might do fifteen years at the most, which is 0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:26.280 like fucked up, I guess, But you know, there's people 0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:30.680 facing a lot worse for a lot less and I just, 0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:34.200 you know, whatever, I don't care what happens to this kid. 0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:38.360 He seems like he sucks. I think the leaks are interesting. 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:42.239 There's nothing in here that's like fundamentally changed my understanding 0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:46.319 of geopolitics, though, Yeah, that's where I am. 0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:47.080 I would agree. 0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:49.760 It is a useful reminder to keep your crime offline. 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:57.760 Yeah, don't continue, continue to not post crimes on the internet. Again. 0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:00.920 If you're selling Heroin, don't post on Twitter. Here is 0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:03.160 my name and home address. Anyone want to buy some 0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:06.760 fucking China white, that's not a great idea. 0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:10.279 If anyone has any top secret documents, you can find 0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:12.280 me on the Star Wars the Old Republic forums. 0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:14.960 Just just post, just post them there. 0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:18.960 Yeah, I am part of the Jedi Initiative program, so 0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:21.320 just locate that and it'll be you. 0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:23.200 I'm sure, I'm sure I'll see it. 0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:27.279 Yeah, I am on the the the NOZDRMO server on 0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:30.160 World of Warcraft. You can just hit me up under 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:33.160 my uh my given name. Just d M me and 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.360 we'll figure it out. You can send that ship to 0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:38.600 me over AOL instant messenger. That's how I take all 0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:41.200 of my leaks. Some secure platform. 0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:44.040 You can find me in a Mountain Project comments section 0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:45.280 where only good things happen. 0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:49.680 So we're all on war Thunder too, so you can 0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:51.840 get there too for work reasons. 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:56.080 Yeah, I'll be shipped talking your your grading problem, but 0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:58.280 also accepting national security leaks. 0:52:58.680 --> 0:53:02.040 Yeah, we do, we do it all, all right, everybody. 0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:06.160 That's an episode. 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:09.880 It Could Happen Here as a production of cool Zone Media. 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:12.640 For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:15.799 coolzonemedia dot com or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:18.400 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:21.080 You can find sources for It could Happen Here, updated 0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:24.160 monthly at coolzonemedia dot com slash sources. 0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:25.120 Thanks for listening.