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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Dakota and this is Carly, your favorite

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Speaker 3: My team was forced to work a national holiday, and

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Speaker 3: so we gladly did.

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Speaker 1: Oh this sounds revengeful.

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Speaker 3: This starts on Monday the thirteenth, when I receive an

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Speaker 3: email from a VP not over my department. Let's call

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Speaker 3: her the bad VP. I'm told my team will be

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Speaker 3: required to work on the fourth. I politely tell her no,

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Speaker 3: that our team has been scheduled off that day and

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Speaker 3: people already have made plans. By the way, this comes

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Speaker 3: from the lightning count one and if you want to

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Speaker 3: submit your own stories, good to the r slash Okay

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Speaker 3: Storytime subreddit. I'm Savannah, I'm Carly, and we are here

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Speaker 3: to give some good vischoofully.

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Speaker 1: We don't have all the answers.

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Speaker 3: We only tell you what we would do in the situation,

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Speaker 3: but you should let us know what you would do

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Speaker 3: down in the comments. My team is the IT team,

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Speaker 3: and as many of you know, it gets shafted every

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Speaker 3: chance the company gets.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 3: Of the course of the week. I let my team

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Speaker 3: know what's happening and tell them I've been reaching out

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Speaker 3: to higher ups to fix it. I also tell them

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Speaker 3: Over three meetings. It starts to look like things will

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Speaker 3: not go my way. In response, I send an email

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Speaker 3: directly to the CEO. All of my higher ups knew

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Speaker 3: I was going to do this and encouraged it, saying

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Speaker 3: he is very family oriented and would not allow any

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Speaker 3: anyone to work on a national holiday. Well, he's on

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Speaker 3: vacation in the Bahamas until the sixth. His assistant informs

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Speaker 3: me he'll look at this when he returns. So I

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Speaker 3: tell everyone it will be work from home and that

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Speaker 3: call routing, meaning I'd get most of the calls. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: support would be covering the fourth of July. I never

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Speaker 3: sent that email. A day later comes another surprise. I'm

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Speaker 3: told in an email that my employees will be required

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Speaker 3: wanted to make sure no one was playing video games.

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Speaker 3: We normally work from home about two thirds of the week,

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Speaker 3: and video game playing is a normal currents at the office.

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Speaker 3: So I walked into the bad VP's office. After a

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Speaker 3: long conversation where she was losing the logic war, she

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Speaker 3: told me, it's just it. You guys don't have lives.

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Speaker 3: Oh right, right, I forgot if I am an it person,

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Speaker 3: I don't actually have life outside of it. It's just it.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's all I do.

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Speaker 1: My life is fixed. Computer, make computer computer, I am.

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Speaker 3: Computer it, I am hard drive.

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Speaker 4: I am not kidding.

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Speaker 3: Those were her exact words. I reported this to my VP,

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Speaker 3: who said I'll take care of it. It likely won't

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Speaker 3: be until after the fourth so get creative. I know

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Speaker 3: this man well, We've worked together a long time, and

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Speaker 3: get created is code for corporate mess ups. I asked

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Speaker 3: office party. She said no, as long as it didn't

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Speaker 3: now Tuesday, the twenty first. I let everyone know what

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Speaker 3: Two people told me they were planning to shoot off

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Speaker 3: fireworks with their families, and the rest were planning barbecues

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Speaker 3: with friends. I write an email to both my VP

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Speaker 3: and the bad VP, letting them know everyone had been informed.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned that per my conversation with the bad VP,

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Speaker 3: apology to the team for getting shafted. The bad VP replied,

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Speaker 3: thank you for your understanding. Yes, I would expect an

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Speaker 3: office party if I had to work on the fourth myself.

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Speaker 3: Go wild and enjoy your time. Use your company card

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Speaker 3: if needed. Also, I shouldn't have to remind anyone no

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Speaker 3: fireworks or booze on company property. Now let me tell

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Speaker 3: you about my office. A while back, the IT team

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Speaker 3: no real work, no tickets, no service requests. Seven calls

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Speaker 3: o'clock rolls around and food is ready. People were expecting

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Speaker 3: hot dogs and maybe a brought worst. What they got

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Speaker 3: was a full barbecue feast, smoked briskets, spare ribs, smoke sauces,

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Speaker 3: of budge. Friends and family started arriving around six to

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Speaker 3: weren't thrilled about it, but agreed since it was a

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Speaker 3: free dinner for strangers. So picture this. I'm outside with

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Speaker 3: people just having a great time. Sparkler's going off. Firecrack

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Speaker 3: was being tossed around the creek, kids running around, everyone

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Speaker 3: eating well. My VP, not the bad VP, showed up

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Speaker 3: it got dark, people wanted to do more than Sparkler's.

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Speaker 3: My VP had everyone cross the footbridge over the county

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Speaker 3: us asking for a status update. My exact words were, well,

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Speaker 3: We all clocked out at eight. Nobody actually left until

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Speaker 3: He asked me how much it cost. I gave him

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Speaker 3: rules were put in places, requiring any expense over four

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Speaker 3: the Department VP and reviewed by the Finance Department. The

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Speaker 3: party cost over six thousand dollars. I mean that's all

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Speaker 3: in Is that just in the food? They only provided food, right,

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Speaker 3: unless they've also provided some fireworks.

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Speaker 1: But if yeah, it's like if this stuff was provided.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the games and stuff, even that's crazy crazy.

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Speaker 1: You want to know what else too? Because they made

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Speaker 1: them work call holiday, it's probably time holiday pay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Barbecue alone was the biggest line item. I didn't

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Speaker 3: I being there so often I'm friends with the owner.

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Speaker 3: The pies, cakes and cookies came from custom bakeries. I

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Speaker 3: had cases of every major soda, two full peach at

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Speaker 3: and he was also the one who brought the Broadways

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Speaker 3: hot Dogs, a recent to his menu. This was the

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Speaker 3: most expensive office party in the history of the company.

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Speaker 3: As for the CEO, he was outraged not the cost

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Speaker 3: me to be in trouble. The reality is other departments

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Speaker 3: have pulled similar mods before, just not on this scale.

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Speaker 3: The bad VP was admonished effectively and sent me an

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Speaker 3: don't have lives comment. Bad VP actually confirmed she said

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Speaker 3: it in a meeting with her EVP. It did not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think it was going to come back

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Speaker 1: making your entire department come in. So I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: they sorted that out in the end. Yeah, I'm I

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Speaker 1: mean you went a little crazy. I would be a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to spend like over six thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: Yeah, event, I mean, but if you got full permission,

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Speaker 1: then technically they can't get you for any of it.

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Speaker 1: I would just be little cautious going forward.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, well now they have stopping point. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's crazy, OP, I mean, you kind of just got

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Speaker 4: How fun.

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Speaker 3: As of now, she is no longer in the office.

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Speaker 3: Her active directory account doesn't show the termination flag, so

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Speaker 3: I can't say for certain what happened. What I can

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Speaker 3: say is that whatever clout she had at this company

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Speaker 3: is gone fallout so far, and new spending approval policy

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Speaker 3: perhaps most importantly, there is no longer any pushback on

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Speaker 3: my request to return the team to a full work

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Speaker 3: from home schedule. Wow, that's crazy, O. If he's so like,

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Speaker 3: just because like this whole thing blew up, now you

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Speaker 1: They're like, please keep it out of here. Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Could it never have.

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Speaker 3: It come back into this building? Crazy? But that's the

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Speaker 3: end of that story, and we got another one coming

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Speaker 3: right up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my boss locked himself out of his own system,

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Speaker 1: but he made me do it.

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Speaker 3: You pushed me to this point, bro.

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Speaker 1: but my specialty is first level support, administration, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: the r slash ok storytime subreddit and I'm Carly, I'm Savannah,

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Speaker 1: and we're here to give good advice. Goofy, But we

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Speaker 1: don't have all the answers. We only know what we

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Speaker 1: Even though I'm not the head of my IT department,

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Speaker 1: I carry basically all of the responsibilities that come with it. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: Reflect that at all.

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Speaker 1: I think of my boss as kind of lazy, if

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Speaker 1: and any problems that can come up twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 1: This is mostly handled through emails. When the server status

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind this so much, but I don't get

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Speaker 1: Since it was a fancy bank, everyone was expected to

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Speaker 1: other tasks that get you dirty. As you can imagine,

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Speaker 1: him to send me an official written work order. I

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Speaker 1: it's exactly that habit that saved me. So I sat

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Speaker 1: access means, of course, that I stopped receiving server notifications too,

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Speaker 1: It was still Saturday. Midday, I was cooking a nice

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Speaker 1: He argued that wasn't how he phrased it, So I

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Speaker 1: the silence and said, sir, if you'd like to keep

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Speaker 1: Please send me a request and I'll take care of

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Speaker 1: exactly how he had ordered, and he hung up. Ten

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Speaker 1: He asked if I could fix the issue right away,

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Speaker 1: good for you, girl.

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Speaker 3: So I know I might have said that, but.

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Speaker 1: and he agreed. From that point on, my work situation

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Speaker 1: improved dramatically. It was mostly because I maliciously complied, knowing

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Speaker 1: And that's the end of that story. Wow, your clothing

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Speaker 3: We love malicious compliances.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you, girl, But that's the end of

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Speaker 3: My manager wanted me to do her job, so I did.

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Speaker 1: The worst good job.

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Speaker 3: Ope. My first job was at a fast food chain.

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Speaker 4: I'm Savannah, I'm Carly.

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Speaker 3: And we're here to give some good advice. Goofully. But

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Speaker 3: only let you know what we would do in the situation,

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Speaker 3: down in the comments. I was still in high school,

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Speaker 3: Since they needed a manager and I wasn't old enough,

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Speaker 3: One of my responsibilities is to make a position chart,

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Speaker 3: I need to hand it off to the manager for

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Speaker 3: being consoled by other employees. I always found her to

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Speaker 3: She had a rough home life, so I didn't hold

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Speaker 3: had a large fight with her mother which ended in

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Speaker 3: to get started for the night shift. The night manager

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Speaker 3: There are a few reasons for this. First, this means

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Speaker 3: will be Karen's first night alone. I'd grown inwardly this

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Speaker 3: The day manager is there, but no sign of Karen.

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Speaker 3: is wondering what's up. I fill day manager in about Jen,

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Speaker 3: pulls my position chart and replaces it with a new one. Again,

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Speaker 3: for some clarification. I explain, there must be a mistake. Karen, No,

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Speaker 3: that's right me, But you're not in a position and

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Speaker 3: worker is working two positions. Well, how am I supposed

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: She just spent the last two weeks shadowing a manager

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Speaker 3: need to go get people moved around if that's what

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00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,360
Speaker 3: she wants, because it's her plan. She gives an exasperated

437
00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,680
Speaker 3: sigh and heads that way. I turned to day shift

438
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 3: and plead with her to call the store manager and

439
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,400
Speaker 3: let her know what's going on. She agrees. I head

440
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 3: back to the line and start working. After a short

441
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,119
Speaker 3: time later, day shift pulls me aside and says that

442
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,320
Speaker 3: the store manager said it is Karen's shift, she is

443
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 3: in charge, she makes the decisions. Then she leaves for

444
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 3: the night. The shift proceeds to implode in a spectacular fashion.

445
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 3: Less than an hour in The employee working two positions

446
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 3: is so far in the weeds that orders are taking

447
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 3: three times as long to get out. The drive through

448
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 3: is backed up, and the guys stuck at the window

449
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 3: waiting or trying to flirt with Jen, who is having

450
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 3: none of it and getting more annoyed by the minute.

451
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 3: As the way it gets longer and longer, the people

452
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 3: are becoming more and more irritated as they get to

453
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 3: the window, and they are taking it out on Jen.

454
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 3: Things are starting to get out of hand and Karen

455
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 3: is nowhere to be seen. I go to the office

456
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,160
Speaker 3: to let her know we need help and find her

457
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 3: watching a portable TV. I start to tell her what's

458
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 3: going on and she cuts me off. She tells me

459
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 3: get back on the line, do my job and stop

460
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 3: bothering her. I was about to try and explain when

461
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 3: I just thought, you know what, screw that cute, malicious compliance.

462
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 3: I turn walk back to the line and watch the

463
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 3: situation unfold. Thirty minutes later, a car at the window

464
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 3: is giving She had an earful about how long she

465
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 3: has been waiting. She calls her worthless, and Jen goes off.

466
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 3: She takes the large strawberry milkshake next to her, chucks

467
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 3: it at the lady and calls her a fat ugly seaword.

468
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh.

469
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 3: Jen, Jen, Jen, you gotta calm down, girl, You gotta

470
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:18,439
Speaker 3: calm down.

471
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 4: You can't do that to compassion.

472
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 3: But Jen, Jen, I know that you've had a bad

473
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 3: day today, but you cannot be throwing milkshakes at the

474
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 3: customer's i'bzil czarry. The lady and the inside of her

475
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 3: car are covered in pink gu Everything went so silent

476
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 3: you could hear pin drop. Then the lady starts screaming.

477
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 3: Jen closes the window on her and walks calmly to

478
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 3: the back. The lady peels around the front and comes

479
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 3: in the front door, screaming for a manager. I go

480
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 3: and knock on the office door. Karen appears, looking pissed

481
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 3: and annoyed. She tries to snap at me, but I

482
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 3: tell her she has a customer at the front asking

483
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 3: for the manager. Karen rolls her eyes and heads towards

484
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 3: the front, oblivious to the crapstorm that is waiting. I

485
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: went and found Jen huddled in the back crying again.

486
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 3: I told her to get herself to and head back

487
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 3: to the front when she's ready. I head to the

488
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 3: line where the now purple faced lady is screaming at

489
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: Karen about dry cleaning and upholstery cleaning, and I want

490
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 3: that girl fired. At this point, I can see that

491
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,719
Speaker 3: Karen has finally realized that things have gotten way out

492
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: of control. She's trying to calm the lady down, but

493
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 3: she is having none of it. Eventually, Jen comes back

494
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 3: to the line and the lady starts in on her again,

495
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 3: calling her all kinds of nasty things. Karen just stood

496
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 3: there and let the woman berate her. Jen just kind

497
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 3: of deflated in front of us. Watching her crumble like

498
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 3: that just broke something in me. I walked over to

499
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 3: Jen and said, just quit You're better than this job,

500
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 3: and you can do better. She looked up at me

501
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 3: for a moment, then smile. She lifted her chin, walked

502
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 3: to Karen, said I quit, handed her name tag to her,

503
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 3: and walked out. Karen started apologizing to the lady, who

504
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 3: now seems slightly mullified. Then Karen started bad mouthing Jen

505
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: to her, saying how she was a terrible employee and

506
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 3: how we were all happy she was gone.

507
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 4: That's when I.

508
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 3: Decided I was better than that job too. I looked

509
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 3: at Karen and said, the only terrible employee here is you,

510
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 3: and I walked out. Two other employees walked out behind me.

511
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 3: We all met with Jen in the parking lot and

512
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 3: went to an eyehop, where we sat and speculated on

513
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 3: how Karen was getting along. Jen told me that was

514
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 3: the first time in her life anyone had ever stood

515
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 3: up for her. The next day, I got a call

516
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: from the store manager asking for an explanation. Apparently Karen

517
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: had struggled the entire night with service. Afterwards, she had

518
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 3: been there most of the night trying to clean and

519
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 3: prep for day shift, and had done a.

520
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 4: Piss poor job.

521
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 3: Story she had given the store manager was that Jen

522
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 3: and I had planned everything with the intent to set

523
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 3: her up because we didn't like her and wanted to

524
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 3: see her fail.

525
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 1: I feel like the manager is gonna realize what went

526
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: wrong real fast, and you and Jen are not going

527
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: to be getting in trouble. Yeah, because you voiced your

528
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:40,719
Speaker 1: opinions pre shift.

529
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

530
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: No, you literally called yeah the person in charge and

531
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 3: was like, hey, she's not doing anything. They're like whatever,

532
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 3: she's in charge. Well, none of us can.

533
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 4: Work like that. Yeah, so bye.

534
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 3: Karen had basically blamed the whole incident on Jen and I.

535
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: The store manager told me she was investigating to get

536
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 3: all sides of the story, so I told her. A

537
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 3: few hours later, she called again and informing that And

538
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: was no longer employed and asked if I would be

539
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 3: coming in that night. I asked if Jen was getting

540
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: your drawback. She said no, the whole shake debacle wasn't

541
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 3: something she could overlook. I said it, then, my answer

542
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 3: is no. She was surprised. She tried to negotiate with me.

543
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: I told her my price was Jen getting her drawback.

544
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 3: She said she couldn't do that, and that was that.

545
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 4: Wow.

546
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: I will say I think Jen throwing the milkshake was

547
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: a separate thing, and maybe she shouldn't have gone back

548
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: to that job. And you probably still could have gone

549
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: back if you wanted to. But I'm here for this,

550
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: like standing up for Gen.

551
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 3: I guess this is probably just like McDonald's or whatever

552
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 3: like that. And you're seventeen, you're about to be eighteen.

553
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 3: You can go do whatever you want. Like this is

554
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 3: like nothing. So if you want to stick up for

555
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 3: your friend, freaking do it. If you're wondering how Jen

556
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: turned out, I married her?

557
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 4: Why maybe why?

558
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: I take it back. You should never have thought to

559
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 3: go back to that job.

560
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: Oh, stand up for Gen.

561
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 3: Okay, I seriously thought they gave me chills.

562
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 4: I really thought.

563
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, are they and like get together

564
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 3: after this or something? But I say it again, married

565
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: a little gruss.

566
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 4: We are very happy and have four children.

567
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: Now. Sorry, this became the best story of Oh wait,

568
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: this is the best malicious compliance story ever.

569
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 3: Could you imagine if you like actually stayed there, just

570
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: was like, no, I'll be treated like crap And that's

571
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: why you never listen to our advice. Yeah, that's a

572
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: wonderful outcome. I'm so happy that that happened. Like, look

573
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: at you sticking up for yourself and then getting all

574
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 3: like rewarded by yeah a wife in the process. Okay,

575
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 3: ok b oh, I see you, But that is the

576
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 3: end of that story.

577
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: My boss threatened to find me for damages. I made

578
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: it cost him instead.

579
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not paying for crap.

580
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: I used to work as a supervisor on a security

581
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: team at a large industrial facility. I had a good

582
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 2: relationship with the manager we'll call him Dave, until he

583
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: appointed his friend as a middle manager we'll call him

584
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: Steve between the supervisors and himself. By the way, this

585
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: comes from user Leban the Great. If you want to

586
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: submit your own stories, go to the r slash Okay

587
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: storytime subburditt.

588
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 4: I'm Dakota and.

589
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: I'm Savannah, and we are here to give this good

590
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: old story little gander. Maybe give you some good advice.

591
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: But we're a goofball, so we don't know everything. Keep

592
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: that in mind as you tell us all the stuff

593
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 2: you think about this story in the comments. I did

594
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: not have a good relationship with Steve at all, and

595
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: suddenly Dave started rejecting ideas, suggestions, and requests out of hand.

596
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: That friendly guy that I used to go and have

597
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: sit down chats with regularly became standoffish and outwardly hostile

598
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: at times. The staff all noticed this as well, and

599
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: would frequently comment that they didn't know what I'd done

600
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: to Dave and Steve, but it was clear that I

601
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: was being bullied all of a sudden. It's entirely fair

602
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: to say that I couldn't do right for doing wrong

603
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: all the time, and every little thing I did or

604
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: did not do was It's alted in a lengthy email

605
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: conversation with Dave and Steve. There's a lot I could

606
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: add to this, but for the sake of brevity, I'm

607
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: going to move on to the point of my story.

608
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: The site we had to patrol was about five square miles,

609
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: so vehicles were provided so that we could patrol effectively

610
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: and carry equipment and personnel to required locations. Part of

611
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: my duties at the start of the shift, we're ensuring

612
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: that the vehicles had not been damaged on the previous

613
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: shift and that all vehicles had the required levels of equipment.

614
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 2: In the first patrol went out the moment our shift started,

615
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: and as this was a regulatory requirement, could not be

616
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 2: delayed or skip.

617
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 4: This was the start of a night shift, so it

618
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 4: was very dark, very dark.

619
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: We had mag light torches, but after six years of

620
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: use and mistreatment, they weren't exactly brilliant. I didn't find

621
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: any new damage and so recorded that the videos were

622
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: okay and recorded their mileage on our check sheets. The

623
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: next night, when I came in, I had a very

624
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: angry in tone email from Dave demanding to know why

625
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: my team had damaged one of the vavehicles on the

626
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: previous night. Apparently the vehicle looked as if it had

627
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: been reversed into a wall. I immediately went to check

628
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: the vehicle and found two extremely small divots in the

629
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: rear bumper. I found them not by looking, but by

630
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: feeling the bumper. I simply could not see them at

631
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: all using the light available to me at the time.

632
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: I then went and asked all my team, and all

633
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: of them insisted they had not even used the vehicle.

634
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: I went and checked the vehicle check sheets and found,

635
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: true to my team's word, that the mileage on the

636
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: day shift's sheet was identical to the night shift sheet.

637
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 4: The vehicle had not been moved.

638
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: I sent an email back to Dave informing him that

639
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: the vehicle hadn't been used by us and apologized for

640
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: missing the damage. However, lighting had made that extremely difficult.

641
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: This was my last shift before my scheduled days off,

642
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: so I was certain that Steve would be pushing Dave

643
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: to punish me for something by the time I got back.

644
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: Sure enough, on my first day back, I was summoned

645
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: to Dave's office for what we British politely referred to

646
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: as a bullockeck. Dave insisted that he could see the

647
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: damage in the dark, and could actually spot it from

648
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: a ten meters away. For context, all of my guys

649
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: had been shown the damage, and all of them, without fail,

650
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: had said where when I pointed it out at close range.

651
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: Not only that, but there were now additional damages that

652
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: I hadn't spotted, and my team was also now responsible for. Luckily,

653
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: my boss had included a photograph of the damage I

654
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: had missed.

655
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 4: See the scratch, No, I didn't either. For Dave and Steve, however,

656
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 4: this was good enough to be punitive.

657
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: Towards me and my team, and he told me that

658
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: unless a culprit was found and named, I would be

659
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: held personally responsible and would have to pay the insurance

660
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: excess to get it fixed.

661
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: How would that be your problem?

662
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: You just threw the check sheet.

663
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: You don't even drive the vehicle.

664
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Speaker 4: It was literally not even touched by you or your team.

665
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 4: Oh boy for it.

666
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: What don't they have like security cameras? The whole thing

667
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 3: is that they're security. They have to have security camera.

668
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless they are the security camera, they don't even

669
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: have security on their security. Dave also insisted that the

670
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: lighting was more than sufficient.

671
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: To spot the day damage on the vehicles.

672
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: I told Dave that this was ridiculous and that he

673
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: couldn't enforce financial penalties on a vehicle that had again

674
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: not been.

675
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 4: Used by my team.

676
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: Dave was insistent, though it was my job to report

677
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the damage on the vehicles or

678
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: I would be held responsible. And at this point something

679
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: clicked in my mind, and luckily Dave decided to back

680
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: up his instruction with an email that Steve was c

681
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: seed into the next shift. I refused to allow my

682
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: team to use the vehicles until they had all been

683
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: fully checked inside, outside, underneath, mechanically and equipment levels.

684
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 4: Each vehicle took about two hours.

685
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: I photographed every single small bit of damage that I found,

686
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 2: no matter how insignificant or whether it had been reported previously. Remember,

687
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: the instruction was to report one hundred percent of the damage,

688
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: not one hundred percent of unreported damage, and sent it

689
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: all in an email to Dave with a text description

690
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: of the nature and location of the damage for each photograph.

691
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 4: There were one hundred sixty two photographs in total.

692
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 2: The first patrol could not be skipped, and so I

693
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: had to send out one of my officers on foot

694
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: to patrol the site. This meant that the site patrol

695
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: took nearly three hours and he was not available to

696
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: fulfill other duties afterwards. It's worth noting at this point

697
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: that my team was also seeing this as a direct

698
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: attack on them rather than just me, so they were

699
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: fully supportive of the measures I was taking. This resulted

700
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: in the site shift manager demanding answers, to which I

701
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: was able to tell the shift manager of Dave's instructions

702
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: and why I was having to send officers out on foot.

703
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: I had, and still do have a great relationship with

704
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 2: all of the site shift managers, and so while he

705
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: was frustrated, he understood the predicament I had been put in,

706
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: especially when the instructions were shown to him in black

707
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: and white. This resulted in a financial penalty for my company.

708
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: Dave was off the next day, so I did the

709
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: exact same thing again with the exact same amount of photographs,

710
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: but all take and again on a fresh inspection. The

711
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: night shift after, I came to work to find Dave

712
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: waiting in the office for me. I was allowed to

713
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: finish my handover with the offgoing supervisor before Dave shut

714
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: the door and refused to let me leave before he

715
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: had discussed why he had received multiple emails over eight

716
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: hundred megabytes in total, did not compress or reduce the

717
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: size of the photos, and how the company had received

718
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: a financial penalty and the regulatory body were coming to

719
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: speak to him. I reminded him that he had demanded

720
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: that I report one hundred percent of the damage on

721
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: the vehicles, and that this had taken time. I couldn't

722
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: allow any member of the team to use any vehicle

723
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: until they had been checked, as there could be financial

724
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: penalties involved. Dave frustratedly pointed out that many of the

725
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: picks were too dark to see anything anyway, and so

726
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: most of the photographs were pointless. I apologized for the lighting,

727
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: but pointed out that He said the lighting was more

728
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: than sufficient to spot any damage, and so he should

729
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: be able to easily see the damage I had reported.

730
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Speaker 2: I hope Dave and Steve have learned a lesson whoa whoa.

731
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Speaker 1: Oh.

732
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: We hope Dave and Steve stop being morons and start

733
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: treating oh pee with some respect.

734
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Speaker 2: I hope Dave and Steve stumble around in the dark saying,

735
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: where's my glass of water? And then they find it,

736
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: but they knock it over, oh lanning, Oh man, Not

737
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: only am I now without a glass of water, but

738
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: I got to clean up the one that I spilled.

739
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: And boring myself a new one. Oh man, that's the

740
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 4: worst thing that could possibly.

741
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Speaker 3: Open it us.

742
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: That ever happened to you at night?

743
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: You reach out for you a glass of water by

744
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 2: the bed, knock it over. Now you gotta wake up,

745
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: clean up the water. That didn't happen to me last night. No,

746
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: for sure, that did not happen to me seven hours ago.

747
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: That didn't happen to me. Dave insisted that I had

748
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: deliberately misinterpreted his instructions.

749
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: And he would be taking it to a.

750
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: Disciplinary I informed him that this was no problem if

751
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: he could just let me know the day and time

752
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: I would inform my union rep, who had been fully

753
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: appraised of the situation and was one hundred percent behind

754
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: my suggestion.

755
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: Did I report every single tiny bit of damn on

756
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 4: the vehicles.

757
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: Dave was ultimately left with no choice but to drop

758
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: any attempts to discipline me.

759
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 4: And left Steve to deal with me from that point on.

760
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: Steve then took up the role of disciplinarian for the

761
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: next three months until I left the job. However, every

762
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: time he tried, I was able to shut it all

763
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: down due to briefings with my union rep. I left

764
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: the job in February twenty nineteen and still to this

765
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: day received complaints from members of staff who remained there

766
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: about how terrible the job has gotten due to Dave

767
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: and Steve. Dude, that's the saddest part, as the end

768
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: of that story. The saddest part of any place is

769
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: that all it takes is just like one bad manager

770
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: to ruin everything.

771
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then everyone's freaking miserable and they're like, this

772
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 3: used to be like a fun thing. I was interested

773
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: in this. I was going here every day. I like

774
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: showing up to work, and now it's like, well, I

775
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: hate my job. I hate the people who are telling

776
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 3: me what to do, and everything's frustrating.

777
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: I had the job out in Albuquerque selling solar panels

778
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: on a sales team.

779
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 4: And it was like rough.

780
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: We were door knockers, so like there was a lot

781
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: like we were lead generators, and then there were like

782
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: the closers. It was great energy, and then I moved

783
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: up to a closer, great energy. New manager comes in

784
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: immediately brings the used car salesman energy and its just

785
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: like gets weird. And then one of the other managers,

786
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: not even the new guy, like an older manager who

787
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: I was like like this story says it's like he

788
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: was cool until this guy showed up, and now this

789
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 2: guy sucks.

790
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: Dave was cool until Steve showed up.

791
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: Now Dave is terrible, just like ruins everything.

792
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this manager who I was like, he, oh,

793
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: this guy's kind of sick, starts bragging about how he

794
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: sold the solar system to.

795
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: Some you know woman with Alzheimer's. Oh, and it's like,

796
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 4: what are we talking about? You can get into that, yeah,

797
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 4: step it. And that's the end of this story. Let's

798
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: head to the next one.

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Speaker 3: My boss rejected reasons to replace my computer, so I

804
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Speaker 3: There arts room at an independently owned autobody and collision

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Speaker 3: repair shop. We'll call the owners mister and missus Bussman.

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Speaker 3: We do mostly insurance repairs and always have between twenty

809
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Speaker 3: and fifty vehicles on property in various states of repair,

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Speaker 4: I'm Savannah, I'm Dakota, and we're.

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Speaker 3: Here to give some good advice goofling. Yes, quite frankly,

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Speaker 3: we do not have all of the answer. No, we

816
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: do only let you know what we would do in

817
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: the situation. Indeed, but we would love to know what

818
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: you would do down in the comments. Once the estimate

819
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: for a specific vehicle is approved, my job is primarily

820
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: to order all the parts for the repair track and

821
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 3: receive and organize all the parts for all ongoing repairs

822
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 3: as they arrive and put the invoicing and process, and

823
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: he returns for a wrong slash, damage, slaps, unnecessary parts

824
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: and such. Plus it work because apparently I'm the only

825
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 3: person there who knows you can just google a problem

826
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 3: and somebody has usually already posted the answer on a

827
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 3: message board from six years ago. I could plain a lot,

828
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: but in actuality, I'm very much like my job, and

829
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: I've become exceedingly good at it over the years. My

830
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 3: coworkers are generally pretty great. There's almost no office drama.

831
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: I don't usually deal with the general public, and the

832
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 3: owners are mostly solid bosses a husband and wife team.

833
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: Mister boss Man runs the day to day shop, and

834
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 3: he is there on site pretty much every day, while

835
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: Missus boss Man comes in periodically to do the books,

836
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: which she watches like a hawk. Mister boss Man is

837
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: a decent guy so far as bosses go, but Missus

838
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 3: Bossman is great. She's just one of those high personality

839
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: types who's all peaches in sunshine and rainbows ninety percent

840
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 3: of the time, right up until the moment something doesn't

841
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: go entirely her way, at which point she drops the

842
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: smile and becomes the stubbornest immovable object you've ever butted

843
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 3: heads against.

844
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 4: May God help.

845
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 3: You if you actually anger her. She's not a Karen

846
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: in the slightest. She's just an elemental force of nature,

847
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: and you can bend like the read or break like

848
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: the twig.

849
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Speaker 1: Oh.

850
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: I deal with mister Bossman on a daily basis, and

851
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: only deal with Missus boss Man a few times a

852
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: week when she needs something for accounting. My default work

853
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 3: ethic used to be set to sack of potatoes, but

854
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: that doesn't fly with the boss Man's and especially not

855
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: Missus boss Man's. I have learned the hard way to

856
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: be very, very proactive in my duties, which is directly

857
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: why I'm now a great parts guy. Didn't take long

858
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: to find out that it's just far easier and safer

859
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: to be able to redirect the coming storm with knowledge

860
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: and paper trails than it is to face the fury

861
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: head on with laziness and ignorance.

862
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 4: This guy's just now understanding the concept of doing your

863
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 4: job well hard work. She's like, Yeah, they used to.

864
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Speaker 2: Ask me stuff and I'd be like, uh, yeah, I

865
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: don't know, and they'd get mad. So now I like

866
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 2: know that stuff and they're not angry.

867
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: I like, did my own research when they didn't ask

868
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: me to, and they really appreciated it. Now I kind

869
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 3: of know what they're talking about.

870
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, they'd be like, oh, we have these parts, and

871
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 4: I'd be like.

872
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: Ah, like I don't know the what parts, and then yeah,

873
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: but now I just know the part.

874
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 3: She always says the three most important rules to follow

875
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Speaker 3: in this industry are one cover your butt. Two cover

876
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 3: your butt.

877
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: And three cover your butt.

878
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, I won't wear my chaps anymore, which I'll add.

879
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: A fourth roll always send an email beginning with per

880
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: our phone call. I'd just like to remind you dot

881
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 3: dot dot always have an email. Saved my butt so

882
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: many times becomes relevant later, and she freaking loves me

883
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: because I have become exceedingly excellent at making her job

884
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: easier through diligent bookkeeping. As you also might imagine, doing

885
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 3: all this ordering and invoicing and emailing and such demands

886
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: heavy use of a computer, and for years I had

887
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: to make do with the one that was never built

888
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: nor intended for the task. It wasn't even very old,

889
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 3: just an underpowered tablet style budget computer, originally only meant

890
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 3: for the shop foreman to occasionally check estimates At any

891
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: given time, I had to run our estimating software, plus

892
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: two to four price matching programs and their accompanying background

893
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: scanning programs, plus multiple Chrome windows for emails and parts

894
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: vendors and parts finder websites, plus image software to view

895
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: repair photos or edit diagrams, to email back and forth.

896
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: The budget computer had two gigs of RAM and a

897
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: dual core one point three gaz processor. It could barely

898
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 3: handle running NOPAD if you had the main estimating software running,

899
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: and it made my job painfully slow, even at the

900
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: best of times. For four years, I'd mention it to

901
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: mister boss Man and it was always oh right, I

902
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: keep uting to look into that, and then nothing. But

903
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 3: that was better than bringing it up with mister boss Man.

904
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: Mister boss Man was a former repair technician before they

905
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: opened their own shop together, so anything on the office

906
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 3: end is already good enough until it breaks, and not

907
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: worth wasting more money on. In his eyes, all the

908
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: upgrades should be on the production side of the shop,

909
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: since that's what he knows well. She's much more practical

910
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: about office upgrades. Thankfully, anytime I mentioned how slow my

911
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: computer was or how much it was going down, my work.

912
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 3: He'd just laugh it off and say it does the job,

913
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: don't it, and walk away, far too pleased with himself.

914
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: Missus boss Man had been going back and forth with

915
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: a specific vendor that was arguing against some outstanding credits

916
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: and unpaid invoices that didn't match your numbers, which means

917
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: they didn't match my numbers. So she came into my

918
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: office to ask me to look into them. As normal,

919
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: But today is not normal. It's especially busy, and I'm

920
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: already a day behind where I should be cute malicious compliance.

921
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: This time, I decided that unlike normal, my workload was

922
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: light enough. I totally had the time right then and

923
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: there and could look them up for her right on

924
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 3: the spot, instead of bringing her the files later that day.

925
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: This seemed urgent, after all, so I began searching our

926
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: database for the problem invoice, and very deliberately and thoroughly

927
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 3: went through every program I possibly could, opening every estimate

928
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 3: and reconciliation and digital footprint to pull up any scrap

929
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 3: of even slightly relevant information for her, so that she

930
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 3: had all the relevant info to argue with the vendor.

931
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: Each new screen freezing in and loading anew each new

932
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: refresh taking more of those long form time dilated seconds

933
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 3: to complete those seconds that drag on and on and on,

934
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: like waiting for a traffic light to turn. I was

935
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: just being properly diligent. You must understand. Oh, here it is,

936
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: I'd say, in my most matter of fact perfectly normal.

937
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: Everything is fine and standard and typical voice. Yep, that

938
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: part was returned back on. Huh oh, let me pull

939
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: up the credit memo. Oh you know, actually that just

940
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 3: shows when I generated the return, but not when the

941
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: vendor actually took it back. Actually, I remember this one now.

942
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 3: The driver didn't leave a return confirmation slip, so I

943
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: think I sent the vendor a reminder email about that.

944
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: Let me pull that up. Ah, yes, I told them

945
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 3: about the issue two months ago. And oh, this is

946
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: a follow up email that was part of another chain.

947
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: Let me forward you both of those. And actually, I

948
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: think I could still pull up the estimate here since

949
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: it has the full reconciliation. Uh oh, I hope it

950
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: didn't freeze completely. Just wait a second, and it usually

951
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: catches back up. She kept her smile up, but I

952
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: could tell it had shifted and she was getting annoyed.

953
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 3: Does it always take cute this long to look up

954
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 3: the invoices. I could tell she was getting really impatient,

955
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: but she couldn't say anything about it. Since I was

956
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 3: doing exactly what she just asked of me and she

957
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 3: does normally love then I'm this thorough so long as

958
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: she's not waiting in real time. Huh oh, yeah, this

959
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 3: is normal like this, I said casually. It's kind of

960
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: frustrating sometimes, but mister boss Man doesn't want to buy

961
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: another computer since this one does technically do everything I

962
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 3: need it to do perfectly. Innocent moon eyes.

963
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: Ah got yeh um, yes, perfect truly. You've sent it

964
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: to the one in charge. Now, the person holding the

965
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: keys to the kingdom is informed.

966
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 3: It doesn't slow me down too much, not usually blink blink,

967
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 3: puppy dog face. I continue doing this for all five

968
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: or so problem invoices, and honestly, it was a one

969
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: hundred percent typical thing to look up and really only

970
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 3: took maybe fifteen minutes total in the end. The only

971
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: difference was making a big show of it while intentionally

972
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 3: making it look like I wasn't making a show of it.

973
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: But that was enough. Well, I really think we need

974
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: to look into getting you a new computer. This can't

975
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 3: be good for production turnarounds if it's always being this slow.

976
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 5: Huge success storm of fury successfully directed from self to vendor,

977
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 5: armed with timestance, acknowledgments for every rogue charge, and finally

978
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 5: knowing the crap.

979
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: I have to sit through each and every time I

980
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: double click.

981
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you little double clicker, perfect blueprint on how to

982
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: get what you want without being like a complainer.

983
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 4: True, you just show them the light.

984
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you literally just some people don't get

985
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 3: it when you like explain it. They'll be like, yeah, whatever,

986
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. But then when they see it, it's like, oh, yeah, wait,

987
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: that actually sucks. Let me help you out.

988
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of have to, like when you're dealing

989
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: with like hierarchy, where somebody is just always going to

990
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 2: be like I know I know best or I know better.

991
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 4: You just have to you have to try to make

992
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 4: it their idea.

993
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that's such like a that's literally a sales.

994
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 4: It's hard. It's easy to know that. It's really hard

995
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 4: to do it. I know, I try.

996
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: I would do that with my ex because it would

997
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: be like I he really wanted him to go to

998
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 3: therapy because he had a bunch of issues, but I

999
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: would have to try to make it his idea to

1000
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 3: do it. Rather than me being like, you need to

1001
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: do it, you need to do it. I was like,

1002
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: don't you want to know? Like aren't you curious to

1003
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: know a little bit more about your song?

1004
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1005
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: Like did you know actually that it's really cool to

1006
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: like have like a grasp on everything that's.

1007
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 3: Going on, to like be like, oh, this is why

1008
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: I react the way I do. Ah, I get it.

1009
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: With all the invoices and credits properly tracked on our end,

1010
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: Vendors accounting had to admit the f up had been

1011
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: on their end and we had been build an error.

1012
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: I'm not always right, but even when I'm wrong, I

1013
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: can usually pull up a time dated email to make

1014
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: it look like I wasn't wrong. Bend alittle, and the

1015
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: hurricane may just pass you by a less prepared target.

1016
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 3: She waited a few weeks to find a good deal,

1017
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: but sure enough I had a new computer shortly there

1018
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: after that is much more capable of running everything I

1019
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: need to run without dirping out on me, and it's

1020
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 3: been an absolute champion. Decided to write this because it's

1021
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 3: been almost exactly two years working on the new machine

1022
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: that's still going strong. And just today I got an

1023
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: unrequested raise for good performances. So I'm feeling overly pleased

1024
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 3: with myself. That's the end of that story. I feel like, honestly,

1025
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 3: you got what you wanted.

1026
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 4: And that's the end of this story. Let's head to

1027
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: the next one. My workplace demanded then I undergo.

1028
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 2: A useless process, so I brought a skull to the office.

1029
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: Where did you get that?

1030
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: Years ago, I started a new job. I'm a biology professor.

1031
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: And this job was it a small private college. Note,

1032
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 2: as this is important and people sometimes confuse these terms.

1033
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: Private is not the same as for profit. Private just

1034
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 2: means that we aren't operated by the state like most colleges.

1035
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 4: We're a nonprofit. This college is.

1036
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: Also located within easy driving distance of a branch of

1037
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: a large state university. By the way, this comes from user,

1038
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: then noble must elade And if you want to submit

1039
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: your own stories, go to the r slash. Ohkay, storytime

1040
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: suburd it. I'm Dakota and I'm Savannah, and we are

1041
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: here to read this story and give our good little

1042
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: advice about it. But we're gooftballs, So the stuff you

1043
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: hear might not be everything you need, so let us

1044
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: know what you know, and let everyone know what you

1045
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: know down in the comments. One of the first things

1046
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 2: I do is get us some free stuff. We have

1047
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: a lot of out of data equipment analog when everyone

1048
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: has moved to digital, and a lot less glassware like beakers,

1049
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: so we need more glassware. Some of my grad school

1050
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: buddies work at large state university nearby, so I call

1051
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: them up and ask if anyone is clearing out their lab.

1052
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: See yet a lot of these universities. When faculty leave

1053
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: or retire, anything left in their lab that isn't cutting

1054
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: edge and super expensive goes into state surplus. There are

1055
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: only two legal ways that I know of to avoid

1056
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: sending things to surplus. Move it to someone else in

1057
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: the department, or donate it to a nonprofit. It turns

1058
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: out that I actually know the person who all of

1059
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: this equipment goes to after being picked over in house

1060
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: to be surplused, and so she lets me come by

1061
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: her storage space and pick through it. Next great story, right,

1062
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: I solve a problem for us, and large state university

1063
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: saves time and looks generous. Of course, that's not the

1064
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: end of this or it wouldn't belong here. It turns

1065
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: out that I'm unaware of two things. First, by doing this,

1066
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: I have just made someone senior to me, but not

1067
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: in my chain of command, look incompetent. This isn't hard,

1068
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: since that's the truth. Second, one of the reasons we

1069
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: seem not to have replaced things in a while is

1070
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: that there were, several years before I came major financial shenanigans,

1071
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: the sort where senior people end up resigning effective immediately

1072
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: and the locks on their office.

1073
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 4: Doors get changed overnight.

1074
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: Because of the second point, paperwork has been created to

1075
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: document all sorts of transactions around the college. I don't

1076
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: know that this is helpful paperwork, since the sorts of

1077
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: transactions I'm about to describe weren't part of the financial shenanigans.

1078
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: But as we know from thermodynamics, once useful work is

1079
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: converted into paperwork, it can never be converted back into

1080
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: useful work again. Needless to say, Senior Professor complains to

1081
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: my department chair that I haven't filled out the donation paperwork,

1082
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: and so I'm violating our financial transparency obligations and am

1083
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: basically just It probably doesn't help that Senior Professor also

1084
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 2: has the sort of attitude towards paperwork that leads me

1085
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 2: to suspect that instead of pets, she just has stacks.

1086
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 4: Of compliance forms laying around her house.

1087
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: My department chair, the person who can actually fire me,

1088
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: gives me the forms and asks that I fill them

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Speaker 2: out appropriately. One item on this form is an estimate

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Speaker 2: of the financial size of the gift. Obviously, if you're

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Speaker 2: giving a few thousand dollars to the university, which is

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00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: probably what the form is actually for, you just write

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Speaker 2: down the amount. For physical items you need to estimate

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00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: their value. I have a box of random equipment. I

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00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: know more are coming, and I don't want to waste

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Speaker 2: time looking up every piece of equipment, writing the piece down,

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00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: calculating some sort of reasonable discount because it's a used item,

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Speaker 2: and putting the full itemized list in the space available,

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Speaker 2: which is about this big still not the real malicious

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Speaker 2: compliance here. But I ducked this one. I didn't donate anything.

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00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: I say, my chair is confused. But you came in

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00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 2: with this box of glassware and told everyone in the

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00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: department to come get what they needed from it.

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Speaker 4: Ride. But that's a.

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00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: Donation from large state university to our college, not to me.

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00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: I just drove it here out of the goodness of

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00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: my heart. If they donated it to me personally, that

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Speaker 2: would be illegal since they're required to donate it to

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Speaker 2: a nonprofit. My chair, who came from industry and has

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00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: a bit more business sense than some pure researchers, understands

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00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: that this is correct. However, I can see that there

1112
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Speaker 2: is a problem coming. The next set of things I

1113
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: want to get are some decent animal skulls.

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Speaker 4: We have about three species on hand, one of them human.

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Speaker 2: Everywhere else I've taught, we generally have at least a

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00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: dozen species on hand, and it's very useful when you're

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00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: teaching anything that involves comparative anatomy. But my plan has

1118
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: been to use my own skills to clean the skulls

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00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: of roadkilled animals.

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Speaker 4: Ew but also recycling.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, someone's got to do it right so

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00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 2: that these skulls will be a donation from me every time.

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Speaker 4: And I don't want to do this paperwork.

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00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: It's now Christmas and I'm visiting with some of my

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00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: wife's friends back home.

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Speaker 4: They're reminded that I'm a biologist and walk me out

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00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 4: into the woods where they show me a deer skull.

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Speaker 4: It's been there for years. We never had a use

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Speaker 4: for it. It's yours if you want it.

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Speaker 3: Well, what use would you have for a deer skull?

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00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

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00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 2: We found the skull in the woods. We just left

1133
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: it there, like as one does. Cause why what are

1134
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: you gonna do with that? It's a dough no antlers,

1135
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: which is what most people want. But for scientific purposes that's.

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00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 4: Fine, and we don't have one at work. I take it.

1137
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: Several weeks later, all the relevant parties are back on campus.

1138
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 2: I wrap up the skull in a plastic grocery bag

1139
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: and take it in to donate. A note about old

1140
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 2: skulls in case, for some reason, you don't.

1141
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 4: Have a career where you need to age.

1142
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: Skeletal elements by looking at them. Mammal skulls are made

1143
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: from many separate bones that fuse together at the edges.

1144
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: As a skull ages outside in the elements, many of

1145
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: these sutures open. That means that a skull that's been

1146
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: sitting outside for long enough is extremely dirty.

1147
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 4: The dirt is just dirt, sends.

1148
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 2: All the maggots and other flesh eating insects pick every

1149
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: scrap of flesh away. But an item full of crevices

1150
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: sitting in dirt with leaves falling on it picks up

1151
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 2: a lot of debris. If you don't know anything about

1152
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: old skull, you rather naturally assume that this debris is

1153
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: rotting flesh. The bag is there to contain this dirt.

1154
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: I need the donation form, I tell our administrative assistant.

1155
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: She gives me the form. I walk back to my

1156
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: office and I carefully fill it out. Where it says

1157
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: value of donation, I fill in zero dollars. This is important.

1158
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 2: I technically don't need to fill out this paperwork if

1159
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 2: the item is worthless. But I need to fill out

1160
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 2: the paperwork because I need to present the paperwork and

1161
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 2: the item to our financial department so that they can

1162
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: verify that the item is worthless and that I didn't

1163
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: need to do the paperwork. A brilliant, well designed system,

1164
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: as you can see. I ask our administrative assistant where

1165
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: the financial office is, since I'm still new enough that

1166
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: I don't really know. He tells me where, but says

1167
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: she has to go to that building anyway, and she'd

1168
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: be happy to take the paperwork and item with her.

1169
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 4: I say thanks, but no, thanks, I'm taking it over now.

1170
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 4: I walk into the financial office.

1171
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: Everyone has a fancy nameplate i'd ask, with neatly marked

1172
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: trays for incoming and outgoing forms, and everyone seems to

1173
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: be dressed, like someone had said, dressed like you handle

1174
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: money all day, but actually buy everything from Walmart. Thankfully,

1175
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: the nameplates include job titles. So I walk over to

1176
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: the person who needs to validate my claim. What's this about,

1177
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: she asks, I have this donation for the biology department,

1178
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: and I've been told I need to fill out this

1179
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: paperwork and that you need to see the item. That's correct,

1180
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 2: she says, Taking the paperwork from me, she starts to read,

1181
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 2: frowning like she might be about to accuse me of fraud.

1182
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: It's quite possible that, contrary to her parents' instructions, she

1183
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: made that face for so long that it has frozen

1184
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: this way, and this is the item, I say, reaching

1185
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: into a ratty plastic bag and pulling out the skull.

1186
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 4: The nose pointed towards her is.

1187
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 2: A gaping hole with thin bones called turbinates, winding back

1188
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: into the recesses of the skull. There's also a leaf

1189
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: wedged into the nose somehow out in the woods. Chunk

1190
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: of dirt drops from the inside of the brain case

1191
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: and falls to the floor. What is that, she says,

1192
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: clearly thrown off her routine. I've learned that most people

1193
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: find that most mammal skulls look the same, even though

1194
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: to me they look very different. A deer skull, I

1195
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: say it was found in the woods by friends of mine.

1196
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 4: Here take a look. I healthily extend the skull towards her.

1197
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: A trickle of debris loosens itself from the back of

1198
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 2: the eye socket and rattles off the papers on her desk.

1199
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 4: I can see here cringe.

1200
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: I've assessed its value at zero dollars, but I was

1201
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: told that you needed to personally inspect items to make

1202
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: sure of this. I turned the skull over in my

1203
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: hands as I say this, still holding it out in

1204
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: presentation mode, as if I thought that she couldn't properly

1205
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: assess its value without examining the strange brown stain on

1206
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 2: the bone that once formed the roof of the mouth.

1207
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: I agree with that assessment, she says, quite rapidly, And

1208
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 2: there we are. Booky's scary, almost as scared as Op's supervisor.

1209
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 4: Is of this skull. On her desk.

1210
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 3: That's literally what happened. She was like, sure, let's see

1211
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 3: what you have, bah, And that is just a dear skull.

1212
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 4: And what is that, bah?

1213
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: I have a quiet a skull from the woods of

1214
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: my friends.

1215
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Speaker 4: Would you like to examine it to make sure it

1216
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 4: is worthless?

1217
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: At this point, I relent slightly and pull the skull

1218
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: back towards my chest so it is no longer extended

1219
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 2: over her desk. I casually fish a partial leaf from

1220
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: a suture in the top surface of the skull and

1221
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 2: drop it in the plastic bag I brought. I have

1222
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 2: a few more of these coming, I mentioned. I'll be

1223
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: cleaning those myself, so they'll be in better shape, possibly

1224
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 2: more organic material left on them. Though, Will you be

1225
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: needing to see those as well? No, she says, quite definitively. So,

1226
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: just to get this straight, you, as a representative of

1227
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 2: our financial office, are telling me that all donations of

1228
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: such biological specimens are worth zero dollars and you do

1229
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: not want to see them or the accompanying paperwork. Yes,

1230
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: she says, I stick the skull back into its traveling bag, and,

1231
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 2: as a gesture of goodwill, sweep some debris off her

1232
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: desk into the bag as well. It's a deal, and

1233
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: that is the end of that story. Of course, you

1234
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 2: sweep the debris back into the bag.

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Speaker 4: It's your debris. What do you want monster, I'm just

1236
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 4: like dead skulls. I'm not key. I'm not letting her

1237
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Speaker 4: keep any of my debris. We're todd bringing that debris

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Speaker 3: I just like boons.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good job.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes people really need to be shown the thing that

1242
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Speaker 1: help but feel guilty at the fact that I would

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Speaker 1: be uprooting us for a job that may be great

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00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: for my future career growth but doesn't pay all that well.

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00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: Money might be tight for a bit, depending where we live.

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00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: Part of me is also afraid I might fail to

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00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: make it an academy and we'll have uprooted us to

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00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: move all for nothing. Are my worries warranted? If I

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00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: can't find any good opportunities in the area and a

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00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: great one pops up elsewhere, should I take it? We

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00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: have an update a year later, but hmmm, I have thoughts,

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00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: But what are yours?

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00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess you just kind of have to

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00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 6: look at your relationship and think about, you know, do

1313
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 6: we want to try long distance for a while.

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Speaker 7: It's like high opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like it's your own anxiety about will

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00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: you or won't you make it in your career And

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00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: if he's open and willing and has always been expecting

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00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: this and wants to do it with you, then I

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00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: don't really see the problem.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, KJK says, why is long distance not an option?

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm wondering.

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Speaker 7: At least start with that, like, hey, and if.

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00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 3: It doesn't work out, it doesn't work out, but at

1324
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 3: least you tried.

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Speaker 7: We can try.

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Speaker 3: It seems like it's supportive of each other.

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00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're willing to do that, and if not,

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00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: like I feel like two of you can live on

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00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: a one hundred and six k because that's like fifty

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01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: three each a year, pretty average salary.

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Speaker 7: Principal investigator, especially with primary.

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Speaker 6: Principle investigator investigate.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you hear it all the time, like you especially

1334
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 8: if you don't take it. It's the what if or like, well,

1335
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 8: am I going to regret this? I'm am I going

1336
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 8: to regret myself myself not doing this, or am I

1337
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 8: gonna you know, is my partner who got to regret this?

1338
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 8: Like it's one of those things. But you have to

1339
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 8: do what's best for you, but take the leap.

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Speaker 9: I feel like a lot of it is like because

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01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 9: Opie specifically says, part of me is afraid that I

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01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 9: might fail to make it in academia and I will

1343
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 9: have uprooted us for nothing. And I feel like that's

1344
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 9: where a lot of it is just like manifesting.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I mean try he knows the risks.

1346
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: You know the risks.

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01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 8: Try Yeah, you don't want to regret it. You don't

1348
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 8: want to like look at your partner like, oh you

1349
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 8: made me not do this kind of.

1350
01:00:58,600 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 7: Thing, or vice versa.

1351
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, but we have an update A year later,

1352
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: several months after I made this post, I made the

1353
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: final decision to apply to postdoc positions all across the US.

1354
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: I received many great offers, and I decided to move

1355
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: several states away to work with a well known PI

1356
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: in my field, whom my advisors greatly respect. After enduring

1357
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: a couple months of long distance and uncertainty, we learned

1358
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: today that my now fiance nice congrats, got his dream

1359
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: job in this city I moved to. Yay.

1360
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 4: See, this is what happens.

1361
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 6: This is what happens when you guys do what you

1362
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 6: want to do in your life.

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01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 3: Things work out and everyone's happy.

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01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: Ye yay. Not only does he get to remain a

1365
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: government employee, but his salary is also significantly higher than

1366
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: what he was making before. Thank you so much for

1367
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: all your encouragement and replies. It gave me the push

1368
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: I really needed to take that dive to move cross

1369
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: country for a new job. In the end, it really

1370
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: paid off, and we finally get to move on with

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01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: the rest of our lives together, getting.

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Speaker 6: Married, and you're got your dream job, and he's got

1373
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 6: his dream job, and everyone's freaking happy.

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01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: We have an update four years They're.

1375
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 6: Gonna be together and they're gonna have a child, and

1376
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 6: everyone's gonna have their dream job.

1377
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: It's gonna be happy.

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01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: This is gonna be great. Better be happy, Better be

1379
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: freaking happy, or swear to God.

1380
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: Update two four years later, I'm assuming he's applying for

1381
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: post docs. Has he made it clear since the beginning

1382
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: that he'd be gunning for an academic job. If so,

1383
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: where did you have a shot a shy? Oh?

1384
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 3: What is happening?

1385
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: I think we're missing the context here.

1386
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 3: Give us give us the contexts.

1387
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: This sounds like a comment to an update we didn't read.

1388
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 7: No, I can't find anything.

1389
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 4: It's just starting.

1390
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 7: Yeah. I went to the account. It's just a lot

1391
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 7: of cat cats.

1392
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: It might have been deleted or something.

1393
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, well, guys, I don't think we're we got

1394
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: the update, but we have a comment that's going to

1395
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: give us some context from this update. Update two four

1396
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: years later, I'm assuming he's applying for postdocs. Has he

1397
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: made it clear since the beginning that he'd be gunning

1398
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: for an academic job. If so, why did you have

1399
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: a child with him, knowing full well that he'd likely

1400
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: want to move on again for his career. On the

1401
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: practical side, how is his CV? Is he applying for

1402
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: positions in major cities where most universities are How likely

1403
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: is he to really get an assistant professor position in

1404
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: the future. The only reason I pursued an academic position

1405
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: is because my CV was viewed as impressive, and consequently

1406
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: it was expected that I would remain successful in academia.

1407
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: After three years, I received a promotion for twice my salary,

1408
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: and now I will be applying for a tenure track

1409
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: position in the next year or so.

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01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 7: Uh, he's calling us, he's calling us so young guys.

1411
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: I didn't even do a voice, so I don't know what.

1412
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 3: Ye, it's just your voice.

1413
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: It's just your voice.

1414
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 3: It's it's too youthful.

1415
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: My table broken impression.

1416
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 7: Dang, and he has a silver surfer profile picture. Huh

1417
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 7: my table, that's just my voice.

1418
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: Uh, but we've got a little bit love. All of

1419
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: this was made possible by my husband, who made more

1420
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: than twice my salary and can work fully remote. We

1421
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: have a two year old together, and I would not

1422
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: have pursued this path had I not had assurances that

1423
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: I would be successful and financial support for my husband

1424
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: to make sure my family is taken care of. I

1425
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: understand your frustration. It's hard being an academic spouse. I

1426
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: think it would be good to approach this pragmatically and

1427
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: ask questions like, what happens if you need yet another

1428
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: postdoc after this one? Are we just going to be

1429
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: financially and locationally unstable forever? And honestly, are you actually

1430
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: cut out to be an academic. It's a hard conversation,

1431
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: but it's so incredibly important, especially now that you have

1432
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: a child involved.

1433
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what happened in your life.

1434
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: We have no idea.

1435
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope it's so.

1436
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: I hope all is well.

1437
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 3: I hope like you have a child and it's happy

1438
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: And that's the end of this story.