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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 2: Our colleague Noel is still on an adventure, but will

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Speaker 3: They call me Bed. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. Friends and neighbors, fellow

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Speaker 3: conspiracy realists, if you are tuning in the evening this publishes,

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Speaker 3: let us be the first to welcome you to Monday,

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Speaker 3: May nineteenth. Now, our friends over at Daily Zeitgeist, the

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Speaker 3: legendary Miles and Jack often like to begin their show

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Speaker 3: by naming off a number of national days. Right, Remember

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Speaker 3: we Matt, You and I talked about this over the years.

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Speaker 3: I think we're both befuddled by how ambiguous the process

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Speaker 3: of creating a national day is in the United States. Right,

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Speaker 3: you just have to like catch Congress at the end

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Speaker 3: of a session and say, everybody, you guys like sandwiches?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it is a little weird because there are

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Speaker 2: levels of official holiday in this country.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, right, We have very few holidays where the

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Speaker 3: American worker actually gets the day off. And I do

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Speaker 3: want to give respect to reluctant but objective respect to

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Speaker 3: the United Kingdom, where they straight up have holidays that

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Speaker 3: are just called bank holidays. There's no religious implication, there's

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Speaker 3: no you know, nationalistic implication. It's simply that the bank

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cool. And we have tax holidays.

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Speaker 3: We have tax holidays. And in the spirit of our pal,

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Speaker 3: the legendary Miles Gray, who taught us this. If you're

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Speaker 3: hearing this, the day it publishes, this is get this

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Speaker 3: Matt May nineteenth. In the United States, it's frog Jumping

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Speaker 3: Jubilee Day, It's Malcolm X Day, It's Hepatitis testing Day,

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Speaker 3: and it celebrate your elected officials Day. Why which one?

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Speaker 2: All of them? But Malcolm X, all of those the

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Speaker 2: malcam X.

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Speaker 3: I'm tempted to agree with you. We also we had

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Speaker 3: a brief conversation off Mike if we whether or not

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Speaker 3: we wanted to talk about one of the largest most

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Speaker 3: expensive gifts ever given to a US president, an airplane.

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Speaker 3: You've seen the news as our as a brother. Dylan

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Speaker 3: pointed out, John Stewart has a hot twenty minutes on it,

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Speaker 3: so check out that story. We wanted to start this

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Speaker 3: conversation by asking ourselves if we play chess. Matt Dylan,

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Speaker 3: do you guys play chess?

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Speaker 2: Sometimes?

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Speaker 3: I thought you were going to sound like me talking

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Speaker 3: about tech and I don't play.

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Speaker 2: Hey, no, I'm not amazing at chess. I do enjoy

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Speaker 2: the game, though, but my son is getting better and

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Speaker 2: better every time we play.

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Speaker 3: Nice Dylan says, he's never learned chess, so this may

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Speaker 3: be a chance for you and me and your son

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Speaker 3: to you know, have a big win. I'm laughing because

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Speaker 3: Dylan follows up and says he's a huge fan of

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Speaker 3: checkers at Cracker Barrel. I love it too.

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Speaker 2: I just bought one of the giant ones that they

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Speaker 2: call him the carpet Chess.

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Speaker 2: I just got one so the kids over here can

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, it's the same board, right.

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Speaker 2: It's from I got it from Cracker Barrel.

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Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing, and I believe you can still play checkers

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Speaker 3: in Afghanistan. However, fellow chess nerds, we have some news

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Speaker 3: due to not criminal concerns so much as religious considerations.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, this is up there with more I think

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Speaker 3: government will go to Comma dot com by an article

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Speaker 3: by fidel Or Ahamati which reads the following. Officials from

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Speaker 3: the Ministry of Sports confirmed chess activities are suspended as

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing images of law enforcement officers there in Afghanistan

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Speaker 3: Matt and I have many, many tales to tell today,

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Speaker 3: resource extraction. We're going to talk about some legal conspiracies,

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Speaker 3: some strange arrest. We may end by talking about the

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Speaker 3: future of a non human civilization. But before we do

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Speaker 3: any of that, it is no secret that we here

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Speaker 3: a word from our sponsors, and then what do you say.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a little flight over to Newark, New Jersey

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Speaker 2: if anybody remembers that from SNL. But really we're going

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Speaker 3: They also actively now this is not AI run as

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Speaker 2: It crapped out for one reason or another. And that

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Speaker 3: This happened pretty recently. Earlier this month, the mayor of Newark,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, you don't go after the mayor, you say,

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Speaker 2: These are important individuals, you know, who operate the city

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Speaker 3: Sure. Yes. Also the logical conundrum, right the bag of

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Speaker 3: This exists in a larger context because at the same time,

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Speaker 3: current administration is going to suspend the writ of habeas corpus,

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Speaker 3: the protection against unlawful detention or imprisonment, which is enshrined

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Speaker 3: in the Constitution.

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Speaker 2: This is new to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a guy from earlier named Stephen Miller who

441
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Speaker 3: got into the news with some of this stuff and

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Speaker 3: their idea. Here will give you a quote from Miller

443
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Speaker 3: when he's talking to reporters outside of the White House

444
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Speaker 3: quite recently. He says, quote, the Constitution is clear the

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Speaker 3: privilege right, the privilege of the rid of habeas corpus,

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Speaker 3: can be suspended in a time of get this mat invasion,

447
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Speaker 3: So to say it's an option we're actively looking at.

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Speaker 3: A lot of it depends on whether the courts do

449
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Speaker 3: the right thing or not.

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Speaker 4: Oh god, it's a nice constitution you have there.

451
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Speaker 3: It'd be a shamed something happened to it.

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Speaker 2: It's what it feels like the language in there. You

453
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Speaker 2: don't have to have a character, you don't have anything,

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Speaker 2: just the language.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, privilege option.

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Speaker 4: We're actively looking at whether the courts do the right

457
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Speaker 4: thing or not.

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Speaker 2: A time of invasion. You clocked to that man that

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Speaker 2: is who Okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And of course you know Steven Miller is

461
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Speaker 3: not himself the president of the United States, so that

462
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Speaker 3: that is a high level political official saying something on

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Speaker 3: behalf of the administration. But it's not the same thing

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Speaker 3: as you know, the current president saying, what's all this

465
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Speaker 3: complicated language?

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Speaker 2: Dude?

467
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Speaker 3: I just it's got the Yeah, we're both kind of

468
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Speaker 3: doing the stink face and not the cool stink face

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Speaker 3: that you do when you hear.

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Speaker 2: Good rap no, no, no, as a distinct stink face.

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Speaker 2: This is this feeling gross. Well, we should we connect this?

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Speaker 2: I know there's more to talk about there, but should

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Speaker 2: we connect it to the recent Department of Agriculture thing.

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Speaker 3: We absolutely should you mind, reader, We've got to talk

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Speaker 3: about Department of ag and I think that'll get us

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Speaker 3: into some resource conversations that you and I are very

477
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Speaker 3: much looking forward to.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yes, all right, well let's jump into

479
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Speaker 2: it again, jumping to NPR, who is actively losing their

480
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Speaker 2: federal funding as we speak, which is an interesting that's

481
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Speaker 2: a whole other discussion to have just that concept that

482
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Speaker 2: their state sponsored media in some way, even though there

483
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Speaker 2: are mostly donations, but it is a potential conflict of

484
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Speaker 2: interest and always has been with NPR. And however they

485
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Speaker 2: always have PBS and PBS yes exactly. They do always

486
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Speaker 2: seem to be i don't know, independent dish with a

487
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Speaker 2: little bit of slant anyway.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so wait, wait, wait wait, also, folks behind the curtain,

489
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Speaker 5: cut to several years earlier when Matt and I used

490
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Speaker 5: to party and we're like three beers deep and one

491
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Speaker 5: of us is going.

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Speaker 3: Big bird is propaganda.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but then also quoting stuff that's on morning Edition,

494
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Speaker 2: you know, and we're just like, eh, we're just trying

495
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Speaker 2: to we're trying to do our best, just like everybody else,

496
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Speaker 2: just to figure out what the heck is happening at

497
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Speaker 2: any time? So what is happening now? At least according

498
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Speaker 2: to NPR and some some let's say, some internal stuff

499
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Speaker 2: that keeps getting leaked. I don't know if we've all

500
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Speaker 2: noticed this, but internal machinations that are occurring within the

501
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Speaker 2: administration get leaked all the time, internal emails. According to

502
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Speaker 2: a person who can't be named, it's all happening right now.

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Speaker 2: There's a ton of leaked information.

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Speaker 3: An anonymous source familiar with the conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the record said, talking about the Department of Agriculture,

506
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Speaker 2: quote demanding states handover personal data of food assistance recipients,

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Speaker 2: including social Security numbers, addresses, and an at least one

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Speaker 2: state citizenship status. These are according to emails shared with

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Speaker 2: NPR by an official who quote was not allowed to

510
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Speaker 2: speak publicly.

511
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Speaker 3: Cool but was clearly allowed to speak to a reporter.

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Speaker 3: This is such a leaky boat man right now, just

513
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Speaker 3: on the op SEC. This is wild. It's also you know,

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Speaker 3: it's an interesting contradiction, is it not, Because the the

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Speaker 3: existing ideology would argue that every citizen has a degree

516
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Speaker 3: of privacy and liberty right, the art of small government

517
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Speaker 3: and so on. You know, your jurisdiction stops where my

518
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Speaker 3: nose begins. That kind of thing. However, we can understand

519
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Speaker 3: why people would see this as counterintuitive to request a new,

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Speaker 3: more invasive wave of personal information from people who did

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Speaker 3: not have to provide that in the beginning. Or I

522
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Speaker 3: guess you know what. No, let's be fair, let's be objective.

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Speaker 3: If you receive food assistance like EBT or whatever the

524
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Speaker 3: program may be, Wick vouchers and so on, snap and

525
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Speaker 3: all that, Yeah, you already have to jump through many

526
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Speaker 3: hoops to get there, you know what I mean. You

527
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Speaker 3: can't just walk into the snapshack and say I want

528
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Speaker 3: SNAP and they're like, oh cool, thanks for coming. No,

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Speaker 3: they want to know stuff about you already. You have

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Speaker 3: to prove that you need it. And sometimes those standards

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Speaker 3: state by state are already extremely rigorous. Right, some would

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Speaker 3: say unfairly so based on inflation data. So what what

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Speaker 3: is the what is the concern here? And oh, also, Matt,

534
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Speaker 3: we have to mention it's not just the USDA. There's

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Speaker 3: a there's another hand to play, right, one of the

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Speaker 3: newest initiatives agency wise.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, which one? I know? USDA? What's the other one?

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's the it's the Department of Governmental Efficiency. The

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Speaker 3: Government Efficiency can't we can't dodge it. We can't dog it. Man.

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Speaker 2: Oh jeez, okay, yeah, that would make sense why they're

541
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Speaker 2: looking for so uh, let's talk about why it's a

542
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Speaker 2: big deal. The SNAP program or Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program

543
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Speaker 2: is administered on a state by state basis, which means

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Speaker 2: Georgia here where we are, controls all of all of

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Speaker 2: the SNAP money that goes out to people who qualify

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Speaker 2: in Georgia, and it goes the same all the way

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Speaker 2: across all the states. For a federal program to come in,

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Speaker 2: federal organization to come in, specifically DOGE, to be asking

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Speaker 2: questions about citizenship status feels off considering all of the

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Speaker 2: other stuff that is happening right now with immigration with

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Speaker 2: citizenship status, with deporting people to places like Libya and

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Speaker 2: or that may have been shut down who knows just

553
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Speaker 2: all with all of the stuff happening, having that specific

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Speaker 2: organization DOGE looking at that stuff feels like a red

555
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Speaker 2: flag like look out. They're looking for people, for more

556
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Speaker 2: people to just launch out of the United States. It

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Speaker 2: is one thing that that should be known here is

558
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Speaker 2: that someone who does not have official citizenship status within

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Speaker 2: the US cannot qualify for SNAP in any of the states,

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Speaker 2: but if you are a non citizen parent of a

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Speaker 2: child who is a US citizen, you can qualify, which

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Speaker 2: makes me think that that is specifically what the organization

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Speaker 2: is looking for.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so that's sort of the chain of operation is

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Speaker 3: to identify those people.

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Speaker 2: I mean, And that's my that's my take on looking

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Speaker 2: at it in the wider picture.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's I don't think it's a bridge

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Speaker 3: too far, And I can see the the argument there

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Speaker 3: and without sounding you know, reductive, and without at the

571
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Speaker 3: same time sounding high faluting. The hard reality of the

572
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Speaker 3: situation here is that every human being is reliant upon

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Speaker 3: nutrition and sustenance such that it should, in a better world,

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Speaker 3: be considered a human right. And from what I understand,

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Speaker 3: the argument against guaranteeing those rights for people in these

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Speaker 3: United States is saying that they are not a part

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Speaker 3: of the United States, which I find similarly weird. I

578
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Speaker 3: would just you know what, Checkers had it right. The

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Speaker 3: guys who wrote you Gotta Eat an amazing tagline that's

580
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Speaker 3: quite honest about the quality of Checkers as a fast

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Speaker 3: food institution. Maybe they should have had a hand in

582
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Speaker 3: writing some of the Constitution. You know what I mean,

583
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Speaker 3: it's an inescapable fact that if a population starves, then

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Speaker 3: instability spikes, and we see that again and again. So

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Speaker 3: the question is this a good thing long term? Is

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Speaker 3: this a shortsighted look at us we're doing something getting

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Speaker 3: a headline kind of thing? You know?

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Speaker 2: Maybe I want to point to one thing the MPR

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Speaker 2: points to as well, and that is an executive order

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Speaker 2: that was put forward on March twentieth titled Stopping waste,

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Speaker 2: fraud and Abuse by Eliminating Information Silos. And you know,

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Speaker 2: we've talked about siling of information on the show before,

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Speaker 2: a lot of it in the context of the black

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Speaker 2: budget programs, the programs that you know are special access

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Speaker 2: those things where only only a few people actually know

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Speaker 2: what's happening in that area. But there's still a bunch

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Speaker 2: of money that gets allocated to that area. Nobody gets

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Speaker 2: to see what happens to that money, but a.

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Speaker 3: Few unless you're on the list for the admission into

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Speaker 3: those underground cities.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and undersea basis. I'm joking a little bit

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Speaker 2: about that maybe, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you well, but in this case, it would.

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Speaker 2: It could be seen as the SNAP programs, on a

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Speaker 2: state by state basis receive federal funding to the tune

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Speaker 2: of around one hundred billion dollars a year. So that's

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Speaker 2: not every state, that's all states combined. It could be

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Speaker 2: seen that the federal government wants to see where that

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Speaker 2: money goes and how it is spent.

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Speaker 3: Sure, And I think that's I think that's quite objective

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Speaker 3: to say there is nothing wrong with accountability here. We also,

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Speaker 3: at the same time acknowledge fairly valid concerns that this

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Speaker 3: would have an ulterior motive. It's already the language is

614
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Speaker 3: already what we call dog whistley. And you know, the

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Speaker 3: funny thing about this is at Dylan Friends and neighbors.

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Speaker 3: The funny thing about this is that if we're so

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Speaker 3: worried about spending money in one place, and we're so

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Speaker 3: profligate right spending money on foolish errands in other parts

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Speaker 3: of expenditure or the federal budget, the good news is

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Speaker 3: that the US might come into a lot of money

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Speaker 3: that has just been sitting in the ground. So why

622
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Speaker 3: are we so worried right about about buying some poor kid?

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Speaker 3: You know, I'll say it not not great cheese and milk,

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Speaker 3: and you know not Look, it's not the top tier groceries,

625
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Speaker 3: is all I'm saying. These kids aren't eating crab legs,

626
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Speaker 3: but the like. If we are so worried about money,

627
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Speaker 3: then shouldn't we as a nation be excited about the

628
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Speaker 3: one point five trillion estimated dollars worth of lithium recently discovered.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we should be so excited. Were so that we

630
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Speaker 2: probably should take an ad break to celebrate, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: A celeb break. And we're in fact, there are some

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Speaker 3: things that we have been tracking over a series of years.

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Speaker 3: You may have heard us mention it recently we were

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Speaker 3: talking off air. We couldn't remember if this was one

635
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Speaker 3: of our on air conversations or just us hanging out,

636
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Speaker 3: but we are both over the moon, over the mountain,

637
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: over the moon, to again explore the one point five

638
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Speaker 3: trillion US dollars estimated of lithium discovered right here in

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Speaker 3: these United States, occurring at a time when China and

640
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Speaker 3: the US are super beefed up and conspiring against each other,

641
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 3: clearly to figure out who helms the wheel of power.

642
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Speaker 3: Right now, just you know, if you're talking about resources

643
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Speaker 3: and you're talking about rare earth minerals and other things

644
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Speaker 3: that make your electronics go elect Then you are going

645
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Speaker 3: to see that China is the clear winner, not just

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Speaker 3: for resource access but for processing. So, Matt, can we

647
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Speaker 3: talk a little bit more about I love the line

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Speaker 3: you had there. Volcanic white Gold used to be used

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Speaker 3: to be Dylan's street name back in Knoxville.

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Speaker 2: Volcanic white Gold.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a different genre.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, So let's talk about it. There are

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Speaker 2: we talked about the value of these deposits or this

654
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Speaker 2: deposit The volume is thought to be somewhere between twenty

655
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: and forty million metric tons. That's a lot of lithium,

656
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: and that can make a lot of electronics, or at

657
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: least it can be helpful in making a lot of electronics,

658
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: specifically batteries. How many pounds of lithium are in a

659
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: Tesla model S? Ooh?

660
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: How many? How many?

661
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: Around one hundred and thirty eight? Yes, and that's a

662
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: model S that is not the most common one you're

663
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: going to see on the roads. That that is the

664
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: amount you will find in Dan's car. So you know,

665
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: if he's listening still probably not, but if he is,

666
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: that's how many pounds of lithium are in your car, Dan.

667
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: Now I remember because that's the first thing he said

668
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 3: about that car. You guys like lithium. Check this out.

669
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Speaker 2: Oh but you know, all electric vehicles, anything that uses

670
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: a lithium ion battery has a certain amount of lithium

671
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: in it. And nowadays that's a lot of things in

672
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: our lives.

673
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: Sure, yes, that is why this is as mission critical

674
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 3: as a petroleum or fossile fuel supply or a uranium supply.

675
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: The issue is the pickle the back of Badger's a

676
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: plate that we mentioned earlier. This will be familiar to

677
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: anybody in oil or nuclear processing industries. It is important

678
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: to have access to the raw material right and wars

679
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: have been launched and probably will launch in the future

680
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: for access to any raw resource. However, the more important

681
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: step is processing, or the equally important step. So the

682
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: reason that China is by all metrics the world leader

683
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: in rare earth minerals, it's about fifty percent because of

684
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: access to raw materials through various agreements with other countries,

685
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 3: but it is the other fifty percent is the lack

686
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: of environmental regulation here in the US. Hard environmental regulation

687
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 3: and conservation policies prevent the cheap processing of these materials, right,

688
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 3: I mean, right now, if you dig into this, because

689
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 3: we're fun at parties, right, we know that the US

690
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 3: is fast tracking permits for new uranium mining operations in Utah.

691
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: Mining the uranium is not the same thing as processing

692
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 3: or enriching. It's just getting that stuff out of the ground.

693
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 3: And the United States has some surprising blind spots when

694
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: it comes to processing rare earth minerals nuclear materials. Right,

695
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 3: they often are going to be functioning in concert with

696
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: foreign owned consortiums. We've got like off few maybe deals

697
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 3: with the mission critical need to process uranium. We also

698
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: know that there is a hidden history to the United

699
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: States regarding how best to access and control resources in

700
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: this huge country. I mean, if you haven't been here,

701
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 3: no offense. I hate when people say this, but if

702
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: you haven't been here, if you haven't taken a road

703
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 3: trip to the US, you don't get it. This place

704
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 3: is spooky, huge, and it's arguably a haunted house. There's

705
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff here. And for the indigenous peoples

706
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: who were living happily for thousands and thousands of years

707
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 3: before the US became a thing, the presence of precious

708
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 3: materials like fossil fuels or uranium has long been seen

709
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: as the impetus toward evil actions on behalf of the government.

710
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: We talked about this in our conversations with Leonard Peltier.

711
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: We did, we did.

712
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 4: Sorry, I ted talked there. I just feel like we

713
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 4: have to establish that stuff.

714
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great. I am thinking about what happens

715
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: to this area. I just looked up McDermott, Nevada, uh

716
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: and uh Malua County, Oregon and like where this is,

717
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: so it's in. Yeah, we're sorry. I'm still on lithium.

718
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: I'm like kind of focused in on this because the

719
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: concept of this rather open area where there's not a

720
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: lot of civilization going on out there. There aren't even

721
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 2: many roads at all. So in order to set up

722
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: the stuff that we're talking about, to get the lithium

723
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: out to then go into the processing, to then you know,

724
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: going into specific lands and all of these things, there's

725
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: going to be so much development that has to occur

726
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: before anything else can occur. And it's gonna change. Yeah,

727
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: it's going to change everything, and it's going to impact everyone,

728
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: and it's just it's that tough thing, right, you need

729
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: the resources that you're talking about. But then it affects

730
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 2: so many things.

731
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it affects biodiversity, which you know, some people care

732
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: about more than others. But it also affects things like

733
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: access to clean water, yes, which becomes very dangerous very quickly.

734
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 3: And we see precedent for this both in uranium processing

735
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 3: and indeed in lithium processing earlier in Nevada, Nevada, Nevada.

736
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 3: You say Nevada if you're in Nevada.

737
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 2: Now, I always say Nevada.

738
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: I don't know why, We're just gonna say envy. Yeah,

739
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: you guys know what it is, Vegas rules, baby. But yeah,

740
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 3: this is this is a game changer, and it seems

741
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: that the economic and security advantages on the table make

742
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: it easy to say yes to conditions that would ordinarily

743
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: be a deal breaker for pretty much any presidential administration.

744
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: It's easy to dismiss folks you might not agree with

745
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: and call them entirely villainous. But we have to understand

746
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: the principal axiom of game theory and resource extraction is

747
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: that everyone in involved, whether you like them or not,

748
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: is a rational actor. So the best way to approach this,

749
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 3: especially if anybody's got some political ideology or preconceptions in

750
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: the conversation, we get it, We respect you. The best

751
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 3: way to approach this is to consider the counter factual.

752
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 3: What if this is not extracted? What if these resources

753
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 3: are not exploited? What happens when you can't get your

754
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: new phone?

755
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 2: Bro?

756
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: What happens when the jets don't fly?

757
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: We get all we all get super cranky. Is what happened.

758
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 4: Which is going to be funny because in a future

759
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 4: Lister Bail conversation we're going to introduce something called the

760
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 4: hungry judge effect. Oh yeah, it's a good it's a

761
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 4: good teaser.

762
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 3: Right. We we do need to I think, not to

763
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 3: do too much Black Monday murder stuff, but we we do.

764
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 3: You have an episode ahead maybe about the new wave

765
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 3: of resource extraction.

766
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: Right.

767
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: It carved out the insidious boundaries of colonial North Africa

768
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: and the Middle East. It carved out a great deal

769
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: Southeast Asia and indeed Latin America. So this is a conspiracy,

770
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 3: a nest of conspiracies, a rat king of conspiracies that

771
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 3: continues in the modern day. And it's crazy how it's

772
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: not more widely reported.

773
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Before we get out of here, Ben,

774
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: let's just touch on the other two that we found.

775
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: I think it was two other specific mineral deposits that

776
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: were located recently or that are in the news. The

777
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 2: uranium one. The uranium one freaks me out a little

778
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,479
Speaker 2: bit because, as we all know, radioactive materials when they're

779
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: in the earth pretty safe. Deep in the earth. We're

780
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 2: not going to harm anybody. They've already kind of got

781
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: their own thing going on. Water moves around in different ways,

782
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 2: not a big deal. But as soon as you start

783
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: drilling a bunch of uranium out of the earth, humans,

784
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: then wildlife, we all got problems. We all got problems.

785
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: Why do we need all that uranium?

786
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 3: I'd like to quote a good friend of ours. They

787
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: delved too greedily and too deep and disturbed that from

788
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: which they fled, Duran Spade. So shout out to our

789
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 3: buddy Gandolf. But there's truth in that parable, even though

790
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 3: again it's Lord of the Rings. Is not about nuclear power.

791
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, Matt, what a pickle, because is the

792
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 3: worst possible outcome not having uranium? I mean, what happens

793
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: to the people on the ground, right, Like the same

794
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 3: question with indigenous people who had their rights promised and

795
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 3: then betrayed all all for resource access by the way,

796
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: like not like political ideology was the what was the

797
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: cape and the cap that they put over resource extraction?

798
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, We also we have to talk

799
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: about it, dude before we go. We promise we're going

800
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: to end on one good or interesting thing we need

801
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,959
Speaker 3: your thoughts on. But before we get to that light

802
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: at the end of the tunnel, man, have you looked

803
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: up the Wiki travel or the CIA World Factbook entry

804
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: for Somalia.

805
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: I have a fact book. I need to go look

806
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 2: it up. But I heard a thing, a little rumor

807
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: that maybe somebody else found a bunch of something in Somalia.

808
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 3: I like how we're setting it up like the beginning

809
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 3: of a board game of clue.

810
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, so okay, all right, yeah, man, give us

811
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 4: the quick skinny.

812
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 3: As we're heading now. Our friends at Turkey A have

813
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: that they've always had, honestly a little bit of interest

814
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 3: in Somalia, as have you know, the US, Russia, and

815
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: to a lesser degree, China. But could you tell us

816
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: a little bit about what Turkyer found as they started digging.

817
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: Yep, they found twenty billion with a b billion barrels

818
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: of crude oil there in Somalia. We have seen and

819
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 2: discussed for about oil drilling and oil extraction in many

820
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: parts of Africa and what that actually looks like, the

821
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: human labor and the sites, and you know, the devastation

822
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: to surrounding areas that occur. And again not not specifically

823
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: in Somalia, but in many parts of Africa where a

824
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: third party comes in, let's say, with a little less

825
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: regard for the humanity and life that's there, and just

826
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 2: pulls oil out of the ground as quickly and kind

827
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: of as roughly as possible, it is pretty worrisome. It

828
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: is also strange to think about what other powers might

829
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: be thinking when they see twenty billion barrels of oil

830
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 2: just sitting there in the ground that anybody could take

831
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 2: if they were in control.

832
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: Uh huh yeah, yeah, just make the deal with the

833
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 3: right pirates and warlords. Right. And also what role does

834
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 3: Somaliland play, which is yet to be is more stable

835
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: and is yet to be acknowledged by the United Nations,

836
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: arguably because it is more convenient to Western powers for

837
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: chaos to rain. You know, this also happens on the

838
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 3: heels of an earlier agreement in twenty twenty four. We're

839
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 3: going to do some red string theory here. Turkey signed

840
00:55:53,920 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 3: two major deals with Somalia. They have also been they

841
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 3: have also been putting their hands in the cookie jar

842
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 3: with the resource conflict in Rwanda and the DRC Democratic

843
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 3: Republic of Congo. As a matter of fact, we just

844
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 3: learned two weeks ago, but I think it I think

845
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 3: it got publicly announced after that that Turkey wanted to

846
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 3: meet mediate quote unquote between those two countries, and both

847
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 3: of those countries said, heck no, you know, for whatever

848
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 3: reasons they may have. But the the reason we're bringing

849
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 3: up without getting to into the weeds here, the reason

850
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 3: we're bringing this stuff up is because it's important to

851
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 3: realize when we're talking about this level of resource, this

852
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 3: threshold of economic potential, the news is announced far after

853
00:56:54,160 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 3: those conversations begin, like way far after. Yep, maybe that's

854
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 3: what we should do. What if the next headline is

855
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 3: something like stuff they don't want you to know. The

856
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 3: podcast discovers three trillion dollars worth of what's an obscure

857
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 3: but valuable element.

858
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,959
Speaker 2: I don't know, vanadium, vanadium, that is one. I think

859
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: it's obscure for sure, used in battery production, a bunch

860
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: of other stuff.

861
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's what we're gonna do if this show

862
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: doesn't work out, and while civilization is falling, we promised

863
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 3: you we'll have more on this. I do think it's

864
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 3: an episode. I think we're on board with that. We

865
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 3: wanted to tell you one cool thing, one future thing

866
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 3: as we end Tonight's Strange News program. We talked about

867
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 3: it over low these many years, and we always talked

868
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 3: about it kind of as a thought experiment. But Matt,

869
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 3: great news, Dylan, great news, you playing along at home news.

870
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 3: Some actual scientists have also started asking whether octopuses could

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Speaker 3: create the next iteration of civilization. So now it's not

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Speaker 3: just us now, it's like an actual biologist, Tim Coulson, PhD,

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Speaker 3: University of Oxford. We don't know if he listens to

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Speaker 3: the show, but he was thinking about this too. Well.

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Speaker 2: I love it the idea that they can live in

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Speaker 2: a range of different environments. They come in so many varieties.

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Speaker 2: They live in deep ocean, they live in coastal shallows.

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Speaker 3: They use tools. Yeah, oh, there's that really fascinating. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So the big problem with this and longtime listeners. You

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Speaker 3: know this. The big problem with the octopus replacing humans

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Speaker 3: in a civilization, like in a post human world is

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Speaker 3: going to go down to two primary things. The first

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Speaker 3: thing is they have very short lifespans, quite attenuay, and

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Speaker 3: that's partially due to a kill switch that occurs when

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Speaker 3: they reproduce. There was very interesting research in the nineteen

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Speaker 3: seventies that found you can extend the lifespan of an

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Speaker 3: octopus with the following caveats. It has to be a

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Speaker 3: female octopus, and you have to conduct essentially a kind

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Speaker 3: of lobotomy, a kind of brain surgery. You have to

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Speaker 3: remove the part of the organism that induces that kill switch.

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Speaker 3: But if you do that, you can allow the octopus

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Speaker 3: to live longer, apparently without too many terrible effects on

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Speaker 3: this cognition. The second issue that has always bedeviled water

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Speaker 3: born organisms is that chemistry, chemical discoveries, you know, all

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Speaker 3: the hits like fire and acid and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Fire in particular is a very difficult proposition for an

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Speaker 3: underwater society to discover. All to say, I think it

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Speaker 3: would be cool, But you know, those are the two

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Speaker 3: big issues that our octopus friends need to figure out.

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Speaker 2: They need to figure out how to work together too, right,

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Speaker 2: that was a big deal. That's a big deal, pretty

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Speaker 2: solitary and believe and cannibalize each other every once in

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Speaker 2: a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But they also they have been found using tools

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Speaker 3: and creating little octopus suburbs.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty different parts.

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Speaker 3: But again to your excellent point about the environment, surviving

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Speaker 3: in an environment is not the same as thriving in

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Speaker 3: an environment. I'm all for more octopus brain surgery, and

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Speaker 3: I think I'm going to go ahead on record. I

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Speaker 3: think everybody else should be on board with this too.

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Speaker 3: I am making a greater good argument. I am aware

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Speaker 3: of how dangerous those arguments become, and I'm kind of kidding,

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Speaker 3: because you know there are are ethical boundaries against that

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Speaker 3: kind of experimentation.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think we're gonna have to. I think

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Speaker 2: we're talking about timescale stuff here, Ben. I think nuclear

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Speaker 2: winter sets in I don't know, twenty thirty ish, something

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Speaker 2: like that. Then you know, humanity slowly dwindles out, and

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Speaker 2: then those octopuses they got millions and millions and millions

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Speaker 2: of years to get where they need to get, build

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Speaker 2: those underwater metropolises that then get discovered by some other

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Speaker 2: species that has USO technology.

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Speaker 3: There we go, There we go. There's so much more

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Speaker 3: to get to. We are running at times. So before

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Speaker 3: Dylan the Tennessee pal goes full volcanic white gold on us,

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