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Speaker 2: The October lawl and the Acorns are making things tough
Speaker 2: around the country with some weird weather thrown in there
Speaker 2: as well. However, man made food sources seem to be
Speaker 2: the ticket this late October for killing big giant bucks.
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Speaker 4: Welcome to Retfresh Radio. I'm your host, Tyler Jones and
Speaker 4: I'm sitting next to Casey Smith. This podcast is brought
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Speaker 4: So here we are sitting on the couch looking at
Speaker 4: a front rolling in Casey. The front has some moisture
Speaker 4: in it, maybe some lower temps, but I think more
Speaker 4: than anything, we're going to see those lower tips hitting
Speaker 4: later this week. And there's a lot of anticipation, it
Speaker 4: seems like, across the country about what's going to happen
Speaker 4: with this this drop, and you know, as usual, the
Speaker 4: front's going to hit different points of the country at
Speaker 4: different times throughout the week here. But I think it's
Speaker 4: something that is to be noted that there are a
Speaker 4: lot of people right now that need to be getting
Speaker 4: on a weather app and checking out when things drop
Speaker 4: and figuring out via on X or whoever they use,
Speaker 4: where is a place that I can hunt a north wind.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, figure out what your north wind stand is,
Speaker 2: and get there because it is coming in from the
Speaker 2: north northwest. By the way, after the first front day
Speaker 2: oftentimes you get to northeast, So just keep that in mind.
Speaker 2: I like those northeast because it's like the second day
Speaker 2: and everything's like kind of chilled out pretty good. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to capitalize on this this week. I'm headed up
Speaker 2: north country from here go do a little hunting. And
Speaker 2: we are actually both have been scrambling to increase our
Speaker 2: personal on our own properties, our man made food sources
Speaker 2: this week because in Texas food plots, you know, you
Speaker 2: can watch some guys from up north or even in
Speaker 2: the Midwest, you know, do the food plot thing and
Speaker 2: it looks awesome and I love it, and we do
Speaker 2: all that work down here, and then you end up
Speaker 2: with just dirt because the rains don't come or the rain.
Speaker 2: What happened in my house, at least I have poor soil,
Speaker 2: very sandy soil. The rains came, germinated the seeds, and
Speaker 2: then the oven turned on and cooked all those seeds.
Speaker 4: So you have bread.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have all these loaves of bread, and deer
Speaker 2: don't eat them. So it's it's kind of like try
Speaker 2: and try again down here. So we've been trying to
Speaker 2: get some food plot stuff out in the ground. I've
Speaker 2: got some cereal rye to put out cereal man, And
Speaker 2: it seems as if a lot of people are having
Speaker 2: success right now on those type of food plots. Yeah
Speaker 2: so I.
Speaker 4: Uh so I actually hunted, so we planted a similar time.
Speaker 4: Uh and mina ended up coming up here. I've got
Speaker 4: a little bit of wheat coming up. It's not that great,
Speaker 4: but it's okay. And Michael and I have sat one
Speaker 4: time back there and we had a group of pigs
Speaker 4: come in and it sounded like the cookie monster was
Speaker 4: in the field. With they're just eating these little tiny
Speaker 4: wheat sprouts, you know, and they were thin. It's like
Speaker 4: it's for whatever it's worth. It's tasty enough that hogs
Speaker 4: will take that big old mouth and eat like one
Speaker 4: wisp of a week, you know, and at a time,
Speaker 4: it's like it means enough to them. And I think
Speaker 4: that deer feel the same way about it seems like it.
Speaker 2: I just wonder what their little taste buds are like,
Speaker 2: because I've eaten a lot of things in like just
Speaker 2: little grass whips are just about as low as it
Speaker 2: gets on the taste scale.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, So it means over that.
Speaker 2: But this past week or not this past week, but recently,
Speaker 2: I also set a food plot on some public funny enough,
Speaker 2: that was pretty much just brascas, which is the Northern
Speaker 2: word for turnips. And oh, I thought you said Braskers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it wasn't Inbraskers, but it was. It was some purple
Speaker 2: tops and some eyesicle radish. It looked like and uh,
Speaker 2: I have never got to sit and watch deer just
Speaker 2: do the thing and that, and it was very very cool.
Speaker 2: It's it's it kind of gives you a little insight
Speaker 2: in the way deer's minds work. They like don't stop moving,
Speaker 2: even though they could just stand in one place and
Speaker 2: eat it the whole time, but they just meander all
Speaker 2: the way through that stuff.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I was just interested to see how they eat
Speaker 2: that stuff too, because they don't like pull it up
Speaker 2: and eat the whole green. They don't like pull it
Speaker 2: up and eat the whole like tuber or whatever you
Speaker 2: wanna call it, the whole root. They like bite the
Speaker 2: top off and then chew like the stalk per portion
Speaker 2: and don't eat the leaves and just throw it down
Speaker 2: and then they'll go along. And you know, because they
Speaker 2: don't only have teeth on.
Speaker 4: The bok, this is a time of year thing where
Speaker 4: they would do something different when it got colder or
Speaker 4: something potentially.
Speaker 2: But I don't know enough about this stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: because we don't get the hunt them that often. But
Speaker 2: it seems as if once it gets really cold, they
Speaker 2: go to eating the turn it more from what I've heard, right,
Speaker 2: but these deer would go around and take them bottom
Speaker 2: teeth and scrape on the You can hear them just
Speaker 2: on those turnips out there, scraping off shavings and eating
Speaker 2: that basically eating dirt. Yeah basically, but that video actually
Speaker 2: is going to come out on the Element YouTube channel
Speaker 2: here pretty soon. And there was a big buck into
Speaker 2: the turniplot when don't say that, but yeah, man, like
Speaker 2: it's I kind of opened my eyes to the fact
Speaker 2: that those things can be pretty bad because I feel like,
Speaker 2: you never see you know, deer eating those things around here,
Speaker 2: but I think they do. And I think it's just
Speaker 2: hard to see the deer pressure on a field like
Speaker 2: that because they just you look at it and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: nothing's eating that because it's all there still. Well, a
Speaker 2: decent food plot has more food than the deer can eat,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, anyways, it's, uh, it seems like, at
Speaker 4: least from from my intel, that a lot of people
Speaker 4: right now are really preferring that green food source, even
Speaker 4: over corn. Uh as far as like fuel corn, you know,
Speaker 4: I guess you'd say, and it's it's it seems like
Speaker 4: it's it's working.
Speaker 2: It's for whatever reason. You know.
Speaker 4: I've heard a lot of people in certain areas have
Speaker 4: acrons like they've never seen I know for us around here,
Speaker 4: we haven't seen just a ton even uh, you know,
Speaker 4: the day I had pretty good success on public land
Speaker 4: and didn't see hardly any acrons around there. There's a
Speaker 4: few here and there, and I mean that's pretty ideal
Speaker 4: where you know, you can you can really focus in
Speaker 4: by the hot tree. Yeah, but it hasn't been just
Speaker 4: it seemed like it's just been crazy around here. But
Speaker 4: I guess if there's enough of them too for the deer,
Speaker 4: then I mean there's certainly like ar trail cameras have
Speaker 4: been slow the last week or two.
Speaker 2: I feel like they have man real slow. And I
Speaker 2: think that we have true cameras, you know, in different
Speaker 2: parts of the country even and it's that way, so
Speaker 2: there's some stuff going on. A lot of us need
Speaker 2: a frost too. Is that frost will knocked down a
Speaker 2: lot of that natural browse outside the acrons. You know,
Speaker 2: it even rots some acrons if you get it cold enough.
Speaker 2: But you started out talking about this cold front that's
Speaker 2: coming in. This is like a white till high week
Speaker 2: right now. I'm about to go hunt it. But I'm
Speaker 2: a little torn, and I want your advice for everybody
Speaker 2: here as well, because you've killed seven bucks already this year.
Speaker 2: Actually it's not that many, but it's half that you
Speaker 2: have laugh you've done some killing man, and congrats on that.
Speaker 2: But and I've hunted with you a long time, and
Speaker 2: I know that you think about this stuff very, very
Speaker 2: strenuously and make some good decisions. All that to say,
Speaker 2: we have a cold front rolling through. It's at a
Speaker 2: good time of year, but it's actually not like top
Speaker 2: notch rut dates. It's just on the cusp. Do you
Speaker 2: treat it differently than a November sixth cold front, like
Speaker 2: say October thirty, Like the thirtieth is like the heart
Speaker 2: of the cold front right now? I think I think
Speaker 2: you do what do you do different? I think I
Speaker 2: still would be hunting two things, and it would be
Speaker 2: more than likely I would hunt. And you know, when
Speaker 2: you show up, the big part of when you show
Speaker 2: up to a place is taking a little time to
Speaker 2: understand what's going on. It's like it's like when you
Speaker 2: get to a riverbed as a fly fisherman, you can
Speaker 2: go to casting, or you can watch for rises, or
Speaker 2: you can flip over rocks. I really try say that,
Speaker 2: I really try to not have a fly tight on
Speaker 2: whenever I go. I don't. I'm the worst dude.
Speaker 4: I can't stand it. I'm like, I ain't flipping that
Speaker 4: rock over like case do it.
Speaker 3: But there are times of the year that you just
Speaker 3: know having a hopper on is gonna work.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, so we're kind of time I like to fish.
Speaker 2: We're kind of in that with with the sure coming
Speaker 2: Markene right now is fly fish and talk to bitter.
Speaker 4: Stop it is his part. Maybe it resonates. Yeah, no,
Speaker 4: so I think that I guess what I'm saying is
Speaker 4: outside of seeing what's what's under the rock or what
Speaker 4: rises are happening right now in an area, I would
Speaker 4: go into an area the first afternoon, I get there
Speaker 4: without knowing anything, and I would either hunt a scrape
Speaker 4: that I can find, or I would hunt deer very
Speaker 4: similar to early season, just with the knowing that they're
Speaker 4: going to move earlier. So essentially probably if you had
Speaker 4: just if you could just pick exactly how it goes down,
Speaker 4: you hunt, you know, one hundred yards from buck betting
Speaker 4: or a betting area that typically will hold bucks right
Speaker 4: and in between one hundred yards towards the food source
Speaker 4: that they're going to destinate in that night. So, uh,
Speaker 4: that's like ideal for me. Now if you're I mean,
Speaker 4: I have an idea about the area you're going to
Speaker 4: potentially and there may not be a great just food source,
Speaker 4: and there may not be a great pattern of travel.
Speaker 4: So I think in that case, definitely finding pinches and
Speaker 4: stuff is gonna is going to still be okay, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you don't have the food source, you
Speaker 4: don't have the betting nailed down, then it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 4: I don't think. I think you can hunt them a
Speaker 4: lot like a rud in a pinch or a funnel
Speaker 4: and just hope that that deer funnels through there going
Speaker 4: to food in one way or another, or going to
Speaker 4: a scrape in one way or another. But I just
Speaker 4: don't know if they're going to be just in a
Speaker 4: in a zombie walk yet, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Here's my thoughts on it. My best
Speaker 2: experience with this a cold front at this time is,
Speaker 2: I believe twenty nineteen Iowa. Is that right? We were
Speaker 2: up there? Yep, we had a cold front roll through,
Speaker 2: I believe on the twenty eighth. Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 2: Was the first day it came in. It was like
Speaker 2: six inches of snow. We were freaking out. We didn't
Speaker 2: know what we were doing.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: It's so cold, but we saw deer frolicking, for one,
Speaker 2: But they the bucks were very aggressive towards one another.
Speaker 2: They might not have had like hot doze, but they
Speaker 2: were definitely like working things out. And that's what I'm
Speaker 2: going to try to capitalize on. I feel like my
Speaker 2: rattling antlers are going to be a big things. A
Speaker 2: good idea. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: is a good idea.
Speaker 4: I mean, do you think that if you stuck a
Speaker 4: buck decoy out somewhere it'd be a good idea?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In fact, I believe so. We've done Retfresh for a
Speaker 2: few years and we've interviewed this person on our own
Speaker 2: podcast a few times as well. But Michael Unsucker is
Speaker 2: a big believer in buck decoy's this like last week
Speaker 2: of October. Yeah, I've seen him do it quite a bit,
Speaker 2: and so like, I think that that could definitely be
Speaker 2: advantageous for a person for sure. Yeah. And you know
Speaker 2: the reason I say is because Mike is a big
Speaker 2: buck killer, So I believe when he says things.
Speaker 4: I believe it. Yeah, Yeah, he is man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not on rough Fresh this week, though I
Speaker 2: believe he has been recently. Last week. Yeah, last week,
Speaker 2: the days it gets all confusing east and said days
Speaker 2: go by.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, what a classic song.
Speaker 4: Oh so good feeling man Todd ribes, as you like
Speaker 4: to say.
Speaker 2: Who is on ret fresh this week? So we've got
Speaker 2: our very own Steven Ranella. He's gonna give us a
Speaker 2: report for the charge from Oklahoma just to I mean,
Speaker 2: just a passionate white tail hunter. Yeah, I mean, just
Speaker 2: absolutely much more important to him than you old there hunt.
Speaker 2: I believe it, man. He definitely doesn't get to do
Speaker 2: as often as you would like, but he he does
Speaker 2: love to pursue America's most popular big game animal.
Speaker 4: Yeah for sure. We've also got Chris b Up in Michigan. Right,
Speaker 4: he's a good friend of ours from the past. Uh
Speaker 4: not not the ghost of Christmas past or the ghost
Speaker 4: to Christmas presents and come in and know me better, man,
Speaker 4: Mister Sam Hogan, right, who's got a report from us
Speaker 4: from Ohio. And then we also have Dave Skinner who's
Speaker 4: just somehow is just always killing these bucks despite having
Speaker 4: a beard that I don't know how he sees past
Speaker 4: that thing is a mondo. I mean, the dude is
Speaker 4: just the beardiest of bearded guys. He's killing beards in
Speaker 4: the bigger bucks now, I'm telling you, Kentucky bucks layer
Speaker 4: for sure. So that's what we've got on the on
Speaker 4: the podcast this week, and they've got some good information.
Speaker 4: These guys are worth listening to. I promise you they
Speaker 4: know a lot about killing deer. Cool.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get them guys on and see what they
Speaker 2: have to say about it.
Speaker 4: Now on the phone, I've got Steven Ornella from Meat
Speaker 4: Eater and his faith favorite game species, the white tailed deer. Steve,
Speaker 4: what's going on, man.
Speaker 6: Hey, thank you for clean that up like that. It's
Speaker 6: going great, dude. Listen, man, I.
Speaker 7: We just were down in Oklahoma hunting out of tree stands, man,
Speaker 7: and I had so much fun. I was just telling
Speaker 7: my uh friend Johannis that I can't stop thinking about it.
Speaker 6: I grew up.
Speaker 7: I grew up hunting tree stands and just being back
Speaker 7: up there and how much stuff you see because you're
Speaker 7: not you know what I mean, you slipping there and
Speaker 7: then a couple hours later the whole woods forgot that
Speaker 7: you're there and you see a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: It's cool, man, Dude, our cameraman freak out more about
Speaker 2: big squirrel footers and they did a big deer foots.
Speaker 5: They love it, you know.
Speaker 2: The squirrels just come crawling down, they film them. It's
Speaker 2: just and they know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 7: I was with Tony Peterson. He had a bobcat come
Speaker 7: in under his tree totally unaware. And I don't know
Speaker 7: the last time you tried to sneak up on a bobcat.
Speaker 7: That ain't easy. Yeah, suck dude. It was such a blast.
Speaker 4: Man, that's cool man, I know. Uh, Tony was pretty
Speaker 4: pretty sycked about how everything went. You guys had a
Speaker 4: little success there, right, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did.
Speaker 7: So we had we had well, we had four full
Speaker 7: days to hunt. We had an extra evening.
Speaker 6: So what's that make four point five days sounds good?
Speaker 6: He got two bucks. I hit spike and lost it.
Speaker 7: I got a nice I got a nice little eight
Speaker 7: point Michigan ate.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I like it. Influence into this thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was great. It was.
Speaker 6: It was a bumber to lose one, you know, and
Speaker 6: you know, I tried to learn lessons from and all that,
Speaker 6: but I.
Speaker 7: Just I hit it too far back and we looked
Speaker 7: and looked and went back and looked and looked and
Speaker 7: looked and just can't couldn't pull together.
Speaker 4: Sure, man, it happens, that's uh, that's a boat hunting.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, it's fun to be close. So what
Speaker 4: were they what were they doing? Why were why was
Speaker 4: that tree such a special place to sit.
Speaker 7: Eating, just feeding, chilled out like no, I mean zero
Speaker 7: any thing of zero, anything of like cruising behavior zero,
Speaker 7: you know, no posturing, no interest in doze, dude, hot right,
Speaker 7: eating on acorns, checking out beneath per Simon trees. Just
Speaker 7: real leisurely, real leisurely, not like not traveling.
Speaker 2: Yep. So did you see much as far as like
Speaker 2: scrapes or rubs, And it seemed like the bucks had
Speaker 2: been laying down any of that type sign.
Speaker 7: Dude, Two scrapes about the size of two scrapes, both
Speaker 7: had been freshened up, but they weren't as big as
Speaker 7: my laptop gotchall close together. And like, it's funny because
Speaker 7: we never saw any sign of that. We never saw
Speaker 7: not any signs, saw signs, saw scrapes, never saw that buck.
Speaker 7: And I actually hunted that spot and saw a little
Speaker 7: three inch spike, so he wasn't the cold print. But yeah,
Speaker 7: they had been you know they had been done, and
Speaker 7: Tony he had run into a couple more.
Speaker 6: I ran into those two. I ran into those two.
Speaker 6: Bit the way things went, we never we never even.
Speaker 2: Hunted them heavy. Yeah, gotcha. So uh, you know, seeing
Speaker 2: that little bit of sign that just no interest. The
Speaker 2: whole country essentially is gonna go through a cold front
Speaker 2: over the next week, and Oklahoma will be the same. Uh,
Speaker 2: with a lot of weather involved as well, a lot
Speaker 2: of rain in the forecast. What do you think that's
Speaker 2: gonna do to the deer? You know, kind of as
Speaker 2: we look to the next week.
Speaker 7: Well, I'll tell you what Tony Peterson said, and and
Speaker 7: he was definitely the brains behind our operation down there.
Speaker 7: You know, he does a lot of public land white tails, right,
Speaker 7: and I've been out of that game for a long time.
Speaker 7: It was funny because the terrible drought down there, so
Speaker 7: bad in fact, that like there's a couple of little
Speaker 7: dry like little pools in a dried up creek bed
Speaker 7: just full of all these car gasp and for air.
Speaker 7: We found a little pool smaller than a car, had
Speaker 7: three beavers living in it. They got nowhere to go. Anyways, Wow,
Speaker 7: he was he was saying, man you know. It's funny
Speaker 7: because he kept saying to me, man, can you imagine
Speaker 7: if it rained. Can you imagine if it rained, how
Speaker 7: much movement there's going to be. So I'm sure it's
Speaker 7: gonna you know, it was like when we hunted.
Speaker 6: It was just hot.
Speaker 7: You know, it was fun, it was great to be out,
Speaker 7: but it just didn't have that feel in the air.
Speaker 7: And I know Tony was saying that he was feeling
Speaker 7: that some cool weather and some moisture would really be
Speaker 7: what turned things around and kicked it off.
Speaker 6: So I trust him more and I trust me on
Speaker 6: that man.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So a scale of one to ten, if you
Speaker 4: had to pick a number based off of whatever excitement
Speaker 4: you might have thinking about scrapes and the cold front
Speaker 4: coming in the time of year, those kind of things,
Speaker 4: what would you put buck movement at on a scale
Speaker 4: of one to ten?
Speaker 2: Next week?
Speaker 7: Oh well, I guess i'd have to say it when
Speaker 7: my time there, I guess i'd have to say that
Speaker 7: it was three or four.
Speaker 6: So it's gonna be way high.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be way higher now.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's happening.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 7: Here's the thing is, it's gonna you know, you got
Speaker 7: the inescapable reality of of.
Speaker 6: Like length of day. Right and and and.
Speaker 7: Let's say you had a heat wave and that heat
Speaker 7: wave lasted, all that heat wave lasted the next month.
Speaker 7: De you're gonna get bread, right, right, So it's gonna happen.
Speaker 7: They're gonna get out. Uh if within that window, if
Speaker 7: they can pick cool you know, moisture, cool temperatures, they're
Speaker 7: gonna maximize on that right time.
Speaker 2: So why not?
Speaker 4: It is the perfect time, sure, sure, coole Man, Well,
Speaker 4: congrats on on the success up there, man, and thanks
Speaker 4: for hopping on the phone with us as a as
Speaker 4: a busy dude. And uh, well hopefully see you're shooting
Speaker 4: some more whitetails scene man.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, and and and thanks for having me on.
Speaker 7: And just to clarify, you guys know this game better me,
Speaker 7: but I appreciate you letting weigh in for sure.
Speaker 4: Man. Thanks Steve, All right, take care on the phone. Now,
Speaker 4: I've got Chris b He's one of my good friends.
Speaker 4: He is up in Michigan, the home state, doing some hunting. Well,
Speaker 4: the old home.
Speaker 2: State, right, old home state.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, the origin of Chris B. Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the capital of the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, how's it. How's the hunting up air
Speaker 4: right now?
Speaker 6: It's been good.
Speaker 8: This is my third day now, and actually afternoon sits
Speaker 8: have been pretty dang good. They're starting, you know, starting
Speaker 8: to bump, doze around and stuff. We had a pretty
Speaker 8: nice bark last night, just plow through the field chasing
Speaker 8: after a dough and then we never saw him the
Speaker 8: rest of the night. But they're definitely definitely feeling it.
Speaker 8: Morning sits are have been slow for some reason. I
Speaker 8: was kind of hopeful, but kind of seems like, you know,
Speaker 8: we're not quite to where they're they're on that morning,
Speaker 8: you know, where they're juiced up. So afternoon sit sitting food,
Speaker 8: you know, is still kind of the play. But they're
Speaker 8: definitely they're definitely feeling it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what kind of food are you sitting?
Speaker 9: So thankfully one of.
Speaker 8: My buddies here in Michigan he put in some good
Speaker 8: food plots, so we're sitting over just brascas, you know,
Speaker 8: and there's also cornfields and bean fields and stuff, so
Speaker 8: we've just kind of been switching all around the acorns.
Speaker 8: I don't know about you guys or what you've been hearing,
Speaker 8: but they've been really really good this year.
Speaker 4: So not.
Speaker 8: You know, I feel like that sometimes throws a wrench
Speaker 8: and stuff because they're kind of mixed up and more
Speaker 8: in the woods for food sources and whatnot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like that where we're from a little
Speaker 4: bit right now. But I didn't think it was going
Speaker 4: to be a great crop. So who knows, man, But
Speaker 4: for you, have you seen more action on green food
Speaker 4: sources or grain up there?
Speaker 8: We have seen more on green, would say, if I
Speaker 8: had to put it on, a lot of the corn
Speaker 8: here is still standing. And I'm sure if they cut
Speaker 8: it here. It's been wet though, but I'm sure if
Speaker 8: they cut it here the next week, they'll they'll switch
Speaker 8: over pretty hard, you know, the fresh cut corn they
Speaker 8: always do.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 8: But yeah, right now, I mean, if you got good food.
Speaker 3: Pots, it seems like they've been hammering them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we got some weather rolling through the US,
Speaker 2: you know, in the upcoming week here, are you gonna
Speaker 2: focus on pinch points or are you thinking still more rock?
Speaker 2: We're in. That's kind of scrape time period right now,
Speaker 2: you know, as kind of we get a cold front
Speaker 2: that pushes through.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is scrape week, I like to call it.
Speaker 8: You know, it's last week of October now through Halloween.
Speaker 8: It's like find a fresh scrape next to a food source,
Speaker 8: especially for afternoons, you know, morning if you want to
Speaker 8: sit mornings kind of October twenty fifth is my start
Speaker 8: of morning hunts. I've been cheating a little bit and
Speaker 8: hunting in the mornings early because I got limited time here.
Speaker 8: But that's, you know, October twenty fifth when I really
Speaker 8: start doings, because they will start, you know, trying to
Speaker 8: find the local doughs a little bit or at least
Speaker 8: get fired up.
Speaker 6: But you know, just starting.
Speaker 8: We sat a pinch this morning and just had a
Speaker 8: terrible morning, so we should have should have not done that.
Speaker 8: So I think it just depends on your area too,
Speaker 8: you know, if you get a hot dough that comes
Speaker 8: in early for some reason and kind of gets bucks
Speaker 8: fired up a little earlier than usual.
Speaker 6: But scrapes, I mean, right now, it's scrape, scrape, scrapes.
Speaker 2: It's hard to jump on that stuff. Man, you know,
Speaker 2: we're all this is so keyed up on it now.
Speaker 2: You I want to talk a little bit about the
Speaker 2: tactic of the scrape. Are you trying to be able
Speaker 2: to shoot the scrape or are you finding access trails
Speaker 2: to that or what are you thinking whenever it comes
Speaker 2: to like sitting up on that thing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So good example right now is we have it's
Speaker 8: actually like a down oak tree on the edge of
Speaker 8: this big maybe one acre food plot, and all over
Speaker 8: the edge of the oak tree, you know, hanging out
Speaker 8: in the field is just like five scrapes all torn up.
Speaker 8: So we got to you know, a stand right on
Speaker 8: the edge of the food plot with that at about
Speaker 8: twenty yards. I like to shoot scrapes at least one
Speaker 8: of them, you know, if it's a scrape line, you know,
Speaker 8: set up to where obviously you're not gonna booger the
Speaker 8: spot up. But yeah, I mean I love shooting to
Speaker 8: your own scrapes because they're one distracted and two it's
Speaker 8: a good probability you're gonna have a good range on
Speaker 8: them and they're gonna be standing still field for a minute.
Speaker 8: So you know, I'm all about just hunting right right
Speaker 8: on the scrape or you know, the trail plus the scrape.
Speaker 8: You know, a trifecta of food scrape trail would be
Speaker 8: you know perfect.
Speaker 4: I I get multiplying my variables there now, Yeah, based
Speaker 4: off of like weather variables or lunar or just even
Speaker 4: time of year. In the next week in Michigan, what's
Speaker 4: the buck movement gonna be Like? Is it gonna be good?
Speaker 4: Is it gonna be better? And if you had to
Speaker 4: rank it on a scale of one to ten, what
Speaker 4: would you put it at?
Speaker 8: You know, I think it's it's just the time of
Speaker 8: year where it is gonna be good regardless of weather.
Speaker 8: I mean, we're getting there. It's no longer you know,
Speaker 8: good weather's gonna but we're getting into the rut soon
Speaker 8: and it's like you just gotta be in a tree.
Speaker 8: It's it's good to have good weather. It'll enhance the hunting,
Speaker 8: but they're gonna do deer things regardless of how I
Speaker 8: kind of.
Speaker 6: Look at it.
Speaker 8: I think we got some cold weather coming in soon, though,
Speaker 8: and that'll help. I mean, it was thirty degrees this morning.
Speaker 8: It was kind of like the first hard frost, and
Speaker 8: I honestly think it kind of.
Speaker 3: Shocked deer, Like deer were like, ooh, it's cold.
Speaker 8: You know, and just kind of I feel like that
Speaker 8: first hard frost, they really don't move as much as
Speaker 8: you would think. But I think, you know, these next
Speaker 8: couple hard you know this next hard snap is.
Speaker 7: Gonna be good.
Speaker 6: I think it's gonna get.
Speaker 8: Them fired up.
Speaker 4: Cool scaleing one to ten if you had to rate it.
Speaker 8: I mean, I love this week up to Halloween.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna say like a seven.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, let's go, dude.
Speaker 8: I mean, especially if you got a good local buck.
Speaker 8: I mean, this is the time to kill your local bucks. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 8: you know, or nocturnal buck. He's been nocturnal all October.
Speaker 8: You get a good weather snap and you know you
Speaker 8: got him on camera. Now you're hitting scrapes. It's like,
Speaker 8: this is the time hunt those scrapes and and get
Speaker 8: a good weather and he's gonna slip off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Man. Well, Chris, I hope it
Speaker 4: goes well for you up there in Michigan and wherever
Speaker 4: else you go the rest of the year. And I
Speaker 4: appreciate you hopping on and giving us the report.
Speaker 6: Yeah, guys, good talking.
Speaker 4: Get him man, Okay, on the phone here, We've got
Speaker 4: Sam broken Hogan. What's going on? Broken dude. It's been
Speaker 4: a while since I've actually talked to you, but you
Speaker 4: and I keep up on, you know, just passing on
Speaker 4: social media. And dude, it looks like giants just follow
Speaker 4: you around.
Speaker 6: Dude, I like to think I follow them around.
Speaker 4: But oh you pretty get that too.
Speaker 9: Situation.
Speaker 6: They definitely made it a little.
Speaker 9: Easier on me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: You shot a giant up in Ohio and you know
Speaker 4: it looked like the pictures looked just like the falls
Speaker 4: is there? Are you seeing many acrons dropping or what
Speaker 4: you what? It's what's going on in the woods there.
Speaker 6: You got to be careful not to roll your ankles
Speaker 6: out there.
Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, the hold on, I got that. The
Speaker 9: acorns are big, round and slippery.
Speaker 4: You can't even continue talking after you say that. It's
Speaker 4: so dishonest.
Speaker 9: But actually, I mean they are hot. But where I
Speaker 9: was hunting was was largely maples. It was there weren't
Speaker 9: many olds. It was walnuts and maples. But in uh,
Speaker 9: other properties I'm hunted, the oaks are just going nuts
Speaker 9: right now.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of We've seen a lot of people,
Speaker 4: especially in like northern states that are that are seeing
Speaker 4: that right now. Is that affecting what you were doing
Speaker 4: hunting that funnel that you were hunting this this week?
Speaker 9: Yeah? It Uh, when it's so widespread, it's really hard
Speaker 9: to key in on like one producing tree or one
Speaker 9: producing stand. So what I was, frankly, I switched a
Speaker 9: little bit to UH to hunting tactics and with that
Speaker 9: UH spot where a couple of big ridges came together
Speaker 9: and and fortunately it came together for me.
Speaker 4: That's cool, dude. So you know, it's weird how some
Speaker 4: of those those acorns or acorns, how they they will
Speaker 4: be yellow sometimes you know, yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, the the corn flavored one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy, man. So talk about talk about, like,
Speaker 4: you know, truly the tactics involved in that, like how
Speaker 4: how do you find a place to put it?
Speaker 2: What do you what are you thinking there? Yeah?
Speaker 9: So this this was a obviously it's private property in
Speaker 9: Ohio where I killed this buck, and corn piles are legal,
Speaker 9: so for us, it was largely an intel, Like we
Speaker 9: hadn't hunted this place in previous years, so it was
Speaker 9: a new farm, and it was just seeing what was
Speaker 9: in the area and putting them in semi strategic areas
Speaker 9: where they're going to be anyway, but you're just ensuring
Speaker 9: they're going to be in front of your camera.
Speaker 2: So whenever you do that, essentially you're hunting a deer
Speaker 2: that just found a new food source. It's not like
Speaker 2: you were drawing deer in from miles to like a
Speaker 2: two thousand pounds pile, right, It's kind of more just
Speaker 2: like a hey, let's get him in front of the
Speaker 2: camera type deal.
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 9: Correct, And and we're I live in Michigan, so hunting
Speaker 9: down in Ohio it's it's I'd have to be a
Speaker 9: much stronger man to get two thousand pound of cornder
Speaker 9: one spot up in them hills.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it makes sense. So I want to talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about like how you strategize shots and
Speaker 2: stuff in those big hills. Are you setting up a
Speaker 2: spot like that? So say you have a bait station
Speaker 2: or you just have a spot that you want to hunt.
Speaker 2: Are you trying to set up where you can shoot
Speaker 2: a lot of trails? Are you trying to set up
Speaker 2: where you can shoot the spot, or are you you know,
Speaker 2: just finding the tree and mine have to take a
Speaker 2: forty five yard charter? What does that look like?
Speaker 9: Well, this this particular situation was the top of the
Speaker 9: ridge wasn't like one trail.
Speaker 6: It was it was one hundred yards wide.
Speaker 9: So I was banking on them doing kind of getting
Speaker 9: a little ruddy. It was the twenty third when I
Speaker 9: killed them, and I was I had rattling antlers and
Speaker 9: a grunt tube in the tree, and I learned from
Speaker 9: you guys to make sure that the the yellow acorns
Speaker 9: are within shooting range. I remember that and back back
Speaker 9: in Kansas, I think it was like seventeen hsh.
Speaker 3: You don't remind me that.
Speaker 9: I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to do that case,
Speaker 9: but yeah, the I always make sure I've got a
Speaker 9: shot to it. I don't like being right on top
Speaker 9: of it. I like being thirty thirty five yards away
Speaker 9: from it. But I set up so the wind obviously
Speaker 9: isn't going there, because your likelihood of getting those fawns
Speaker 9: little box something you're not really gonna shoot is pretty high.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that they're going to be right there.
Speaker 9: So I set it up with that in mind, but
Speaker 9: also with all the trails that coming through my wind
Speaker 9: dropping into one of those bottoms where if they're running
Speaker 9: the ridges, they're not gonna they're not gonna get me.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So in this week, based off of like variables
Speaker 4: that may may affect deer or deer movement, do you
Speaker 4: foresee it being very similar and on a scale one
Speaker 4: to ten, when you think the Buck movement will be like.
Speaker 9: Uh, last year, I think I gave it like a
Speaker 9: six point eight, and then I killed the one fifty
Speaker 9: the next year. Okay, so I'm gonna give it an eight.
Speaker 6: And uh it's it's.
Speaker 9: Warm until Friday, and then we got a real, real,
Speaker 9: real cold cold snap at the perfect time.
Speaker 4: Oh man.
Speaker 9: So the twenty eight through, I mean the foreseeable future
Speaker 9: twenty eighth is when it starts real cold range.
Speaker 6: Let's do it.
Speaker 4: If Sam says listen, if you if you're listening to
Speaker 4: this and Sam says it's gonna be an eight, you
Speaker 4: need to be in the woods. He is one of
Speaker 4: the most under the under the radar quote unquote experts
Speaker 4: at deer hunting that I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 4: So I appreciate he'd listen. I know you're a humble guy.
Speaker 2: I ain't even deer either. Dude, he's killed like pigs.
Speaker 2: Need I'm telling you, Sam, just you.
Speaker 6: Were like, I don't even do that.
Speaker 2: Hey, you're gonna be the next like Eberhart, just like
Speaker 2: the guy who's got the following man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, really, Mark, it don't matter. You're an expert. Hey,
Speaker 4: thanks for hopping on the phone. With the Sam and uh, well,
Speaker 4: we'll hope that we get to talk to you again
Speaker 4: maybe in maybe from Michigan sometime.
Speaker 6: All right, let's do it, all right, thank you?
Speaker 4: All right, now I've got Dave Skinner from Kentucky's with
Speaker 4: whitetail properties. Dave, you've been killing some bucks. It looks like, man,
Speaker 4: I got one on the ground.
Speaker 6: I shot one Sunday.
Speaker 2: Sunday was a week ago?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, uh was it? What was the weather like
Speaker 4: when you shot that deer?
Speaker 5: Just a perfect October mid October cold front come through,
Speaker 5: got the deer on our feet really early in the day. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was beautiful weather. Had had a good stiff north
Speaker 5: wind that day and spent a little rain.
Speaker 2: He stepped out in the in the food plot like
Speaker 2: at four fifty in the afternoon.
Speaker 4: By yeah, yeah, what'sh what's in that food plot?
Speaker 5: Not much of anything really, it's a it's a pretty
Speaker 5: it's a pretty poor food plot. And uh, I will
Speaker 5: tell you what he's stepped out there for was the
Speaker 5: Golden acres.
Speaker 2: That's what he stepped out there. The wow in Kentucky,
Speaker 2: we can we can baite.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to hide that fact.
Speaker 5: But yeah, so he come out and get a get
Speaker 5: a belly full of full of corn.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you were pretty close to where he is living.
Speaker 2: I mean, if he's there at four fifty in the afternoon,
Speaker 2: that's pretty early. Is that strategic that you were setting
Speaker 2: up close to where you thought that deer was core
Speaker 2: ranging at or did it just happen to be something
Speaker 2: he had just died to throughout the season.
Speaker 5: So to be honest, that deer wasn't on my radar
Speaker 5: until the week before and he started just showing up
Speaker 5: at that spot. And I actually took a kid in
Speaker 5: with me to hunt. He won't shoot, but I took
Speaker 5: a kid in with me and we set up on him,
Speaker 5: and the wind just kind of messed us up. I
Speaker 5: think I would have killed him that week before, had
Speaker 5: had the wind been steady, but it was a lot warmer.
Speaker 5: He was coming out right at last right at last light.
Speaker 5: And then the fast forward the next week he had
Speaker 5: gone underground. I know he smelled us because he just disappear.
Speaker 5: After that, he'd been real regular. And fast forward a
Speaker 5: week and this cold front was in and I just
Speaker 5: kind of, you know, I wasn't even thinking behinding that deer.
Speaker 5: I say, that I was trying to prepare a spot
Speaker 5: to kill him later on in the year once he
Speaker 5: was really doing what bucks do during the rut, which
Speaker 5: is when I like to shoot him. But I was
Speaker 5: at the farm working and he pops on a cell
Speaker 5: camera at five o'clock Saturday, and I'm like, buddy, if
Speaker 5: you're going to do that, I will be there tomorrow
Speaker 5: because the wind's going to be right, so sure as
Speaker 5: the world's That's what happened to when was still good.
Speaker 5: And I slipped in there next day and he done
Speaker 5: the same thing two days in a row, which is
Speaker 5: gonna happen very often.
Speaker 4: That's cool, man. So with that, I'm guessing you're not
Speaker 4: seeing a ton of rutting activity. They're pretty consistent to feed.
Speaker 4: Have you seen any scrape action.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the scrapes are really picking up.
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, I got several bucks on
Speaker 5: scrapes last night on my cell cams. A new buck
Speaker 5: that I'm not familiar with showed up last night on
Speaker 5: the scrape and yesterday. We had our Muslim at weekend
Speaker 5: this weekend, so we shot some doe over the weekend
Speaker 5: and everywhere we went there was there was fresh scrapes
Speaker 5: popping up, So they're they're really hitting them hard. And
Speaker 5: actually got a got a buck on camera this morning.
Speaker 5: Dog in a dough in a food plot. So yesterday
Speaker 5: evening we were out and uh, it was crazy. We
Speaker 5: were trying to kill doze and I think we'd saw
Speaker 5: five bucks.
Speaker 4: Wow, finally had it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, finally had a dose.
Speaker 2: Stepped in the food.
Speaker 5: Plot, a legit food plot that had a right at
Speaker 5: very last light, and there was a there was a
Speaker 5: three year old buck in the food plot whenever whenever
Speaker 5: she came in and he kind of trotted over to
Speaker 5: her and and when she showed no interest, he just
Speaker 5: turned the left.
Speaker 4: So that's they're starting.
Speaker 5: They're starting to get starting to get a little frisky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, feels a little chipy up there where you're at. Man,
Speaker 3: that's that's cool.
Speaker 2: So if you were going to look forward to the
Speaker 2: next week, it sounds like you got some buck movement going.
Speaker 2: If you had to rate it on a scale of
Speaker 2: one to ten for the next week on buck movement,
Speaker 2: what would you call it.
Speaker 5: I'll be honest, we our cold front's gone and it's
Speaker 5: going to be pretty warm all week. I would probably
Speaker 5: try to get some chores done and be ready.
Speaker 2: To hit it around Halloween.
Speaker 5: It looks like there's a there's a front rolling through.
Speaker 5: I think it's supposed to hit here right right about
Speaker 5: the thirty first, So that's that's when I would concentrate.
Speaker 5: It's just too darn and warm, I think, and for
Speaker 5: a lot of daylight activity. Not saying it won't happen,
Speaker 5: but I think it'll get better around the thirty thirty
Speaker 5: to thirty first something like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, so give me that one to ten number. Though,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna call it right now?
Speaker 4: Right now?
Speaker 5: Man, it's pretty low as far as red action goes.
Speaker 5: I would say three maybe.
Speaker 2: Hey, I like an honest answer, man. A lot of
Speaker 2: guys get a little bit too optimistic. That's reasonable, look
Speaker 2: forward to that cold front coming. Hey, Dave, we appreciate
Speaker 2: the info, man, Thank you. All right, guys'll have a
Speaker 2: goo on.
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