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Speaker 1: Football is about the Jimmy's and Joe's and x'es and o's.

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Speaker 2: Check Mill York vote Voco.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Bruce.

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Speaker 1: It's time to get out the chockboard and diagram some plays.

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Speaker 1: Here's what all starts right here. That's why Jaymney, Chris,

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Speaker 1: this is Inside Football with former Colts and NFL coach

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Speaker 1: Rick Venturi.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the post draft edition of Inside Football. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for coming back here on the Colts Audio Network. Matt

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Speaker 3: Taylor here inside the Indiana Union Construction Industry radio studio

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Speaker 3: the week after the draft. Joined today at Rick Venturi,

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Speaker 3: and we're discussing the Colts draft, making sense of all

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Speaker 3: the nine picks and the roster hall, the draft hall

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Speaker 3: the Colts brought in last weekend, and the team building

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Speaker 3: roster building to this point in the spring. Without further ado,

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Speaker 3: here's Rick Ventury on the horn us again. RV. How

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Speaker 3: you doing you rested up to a degree after that draft?

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Speaker 2: No, I really have, and you know, feeling really good.

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Speaker 2: Now we're ready for now, we're ready for mini camps

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Speaker 2: and you know, before we know it will be we'll be.

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Speaker 3: Out of grand no doubt, ninety players on the active

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Speaker 3: roster at that point. So yeah, rookie Mini Caamp the

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Speaker 3: week after this one, then veteran Mini camp in early June,

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Speaker 3: and like you said, fast forward here, training camp is

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Speaker 3: in Westfield at Graham Park. So a nine player draft

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Speaker 3: haul for the Colts. We're gonna break down what these

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Speaker 3: picks mean and the big picture. So the Colts, let's

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Speaker 3: start at the top. They began the draft with seven picks,

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Speaker 3: one in every round. They ended with nine picks, the

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Speaker 3: result of two trade downs and then one trade up.

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Speaker 3: So let's start at the top here with Leatu Latsu,

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Speaker 3: the fifteenth overall pick and the first defensive player off

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Speaker 3: after having a few full days here or kind of

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Speaker 2: Well, let me just say to start with that in

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Speaker 2: terms of the draft, the Colts did something they absolutely

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Speaker 2: had to hit it big on the first two picks.

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Speaker 2: When you when you don't really participate in free agency

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason. Okay, then it's vital that one and

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Speaker 2: So in essence to me, we definitely got too two

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Speaker 2: definite first round guys in they're in premium, they're in

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Speaker 2: high value positions. You know, when you ask the question,

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Speaker 2: I don't want, I don't want to give you this

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Speaker 2: a nauseum. But I learned early in my coaching career

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Speaker 2: The Colts definitely did that. They got a guy that

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Speaker 2: he's just not. He's not gonna be a blitz type

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Speaker 2: matter what the rhetoric is offseason. He's gonna count on

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Speaker 3: Well, that that's the next thought taking it looking at

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Speaker 3: fifty one sacks, but they ranked twenty second in pressure rate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and at this point coming out

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Speaker 2: so you know, you he's got to pick it up.

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Speaker 2: But he has all the attributes. And the other attribute

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Speaker 2: that's why I liked the idea of double digit sacks

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Speaker 3: All right. Then in the second round, Rick the Colts

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Speaker 3: trade back. They picked up two fifth round picks. In

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Speaker 3: and they draft added Ni Mitchell, wide receiver out of Texas.

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Speaker 3: And as you said at the beginning, he was a consensus,

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Speaker 3: you know, first round guy talent wise, the falls in

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Speaker 3: the second round. How surprised were you with how much

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Speaker 3: this guy did fall in the draft in the perceived

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Speaker 2: To that, well, you know you sat right next to me.

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Speaker 2: But Chris knew what he was doing there because I

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Speaker 2: And basically I said this to you on draft night.

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Speaker 2: has great moments, Matt. I mean, and sometimes they're in

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Speaker 2: It's just amazing to me in modern day football what

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Speaker 3: Let's stay there. I mean you talked about it a

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Speaker 3: the Minshew effect last year, right, with only forty four

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's gonna make I think there's a

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Speaker 2: catches everything inside, downs catches everything inside. So if I'm

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Speaker 3: Saying, Absolutely no doubt about that. It's very, very big

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Speaker 3: totality of the top of this draft with Latsu and Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: How much of this draft success is hen those two

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a must. I think it's an

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Speaker 2: be purposeful. Ours was purposeful. We'll get into that, but

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Speaker 2: in our case it's even where I mean, we're not.

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Speaker 2: We're not like the Texans who went out and got

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Speaker 3: Game absolutely all right. Then, meanwhile, in the third and

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Speaker 3: What did you make of those picks? When it comes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is purposeful. It's not something you're

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Speaker 2: But you know the fact that our area scout was

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Speaker 2: not a tackle. Well, he's proving them a little bit

429
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 2: wrong on that. He's ended up becoming a really good tackle.

430
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: I think he can probably play a right tackle because

431
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 2: you normally have your tight end over there. You're not

432
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: quite as good on that side. I think he may,

433
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: though I think the transition may be to guard because

434
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 2: the only thing that I worry about, though, the one

435
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: thing I don't see, even in the twenty two film,

436
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily see a great change of direction or

437
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: great feet. I see good feet, I don't see great feet.

438
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: So don't I think you want to limit a little

439
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: bit how much he is in space now. He's just

440
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: the opposite of our last two tackles that we drafted.

441
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 2: Our last two tackles in Ryman and Freeland were a

442
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: little bit undersized on the day we drafted them in

443
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: terms of weight, but they were great athletes. I mean

444
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: they were combined Olympians. They were five flat forty or less,

445
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: you know, great, great workouts, and really Ryman just made

446
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: a tremendous transition from year one to year two to

447
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: put on the weight, put on the girth, and he's

448
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 2: really become a legitimate left tackle in my opinion. That's

449
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: going to go down at I think as a great pick.

450
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: And this guy's just the opposite. He's much much more

451
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: of of a road grader. And then when you look

452
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: at number four, I mean again another depth guy. That's Bordolino.

453
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: Now he he is like those two guys. He's a

454
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: tremendous athlete. He had a you know, four nine seven forty.

455
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: I think that's the fastest of Oftener, second fastest in

456
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 2: the old line. He has a great three cone. So

457
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: this is a kid that does play really well in

458
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: space at center. He can get to the second level

459
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: really smart. Now he's a bit undersized at three to

460
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: zero three and a little bit like those other two

461
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: guys that we've drafted before, and he is he's very

462
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: very good in his own scheme, his struggles early will

463
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: be if he has to play, will be with the

464
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: big nose guy, the big nose tackle. You know, the

465
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: butcher wofolk type guys who can kind of stuff you

466
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: in there, guy like Sweat Simmons, you know, those big

467
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: guys that can hammer him. And he struggles a little

468
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: bit every once in a while with that really hard

469
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: hay gap blitz, just that you know when that guy

470
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: comes off from about four yards with great force. But

471
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: I think what you're looking at is the air apparent

472
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: to Kelly down the road at center and probably you know,

473
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: you know what I think. I think ideally what you'd

474
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 2: want is he's going to be what he is as

475
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: a rookie, and what you want to have him do

476
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: is be able to make the transition in the body

477
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: transformation like Ryman did by year two. Now, the irony

478
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: of your third and fourth pick there is you hope

479
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: neither one of them plays one down all season.

480
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, at least on right at least I'm not I'm

481
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 4: not saying that in a bad pick because I think

482
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 4: you've got future guys there, and eventually, between free agency

483
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 4: and age, you're going to have to make those those

484
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 4: those kinds of picks.

485
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: Almost like a luxury pick, considering how much timety.

486
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: This is. I don't have totally inside information, but I

487
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: do know that the Colts, I know Chris, really wanted

488
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 2: to fill the corner need as well. And this is

489
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: the problem when you're only working with the draft. You

490
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: can't count on when you get to that third pick

491
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: that that third need is going to be there. I

492
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: think they were really interested. I know I was, and

493
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: I know Chris and I had this conversation before the

494
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: draft is I think they were really interested in Bullock,

495
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: the kid out of Southern cal. I think they, you know,

496
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: who's this safety corner. I think Chris was pretty convinced

497
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: that he could be a corner. Big tall, long, speed guy,

498
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: really good player, and I agreed with him, and I

499
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: think they were trying to move up to get him,

500
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: and damned as the Texans didn't take him at seventy eight.

501
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, right in front of the Colt right.

502
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: In front, and so they moved to seventy nine, but

503
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: they just couldn't quite get there. And that's no slam.

504
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: That's no slam on Gonzales. It's it's just the fact,

505
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: I do think, and that's that I'm not criticizing the draft.

506
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: I'm criticizing the over the totality because if you have

507
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: three needs, chances are you're only going to get two.

508
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 3: Of them, all right. The only other guy I want

509
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: to talk about specifically here in the fifth round, the

510
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: Colts pick up Anthony Gould and this is one of

511
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 3: my favorite picks of the draft outside of the guys

512
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: at the top right, because he's a speedy wide receiver

513
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: out of Oregon State, also gives you great value on

514
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: special teams. In twenty two, led the nation in punt

515
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: return average at eighteen point three. He's over sixteen yards

516
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 3: per return. The last two years in college he had

517
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: two punt returns for touchdowns at the collegiate level as well.

518
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: How much can he make a difference with these new

519
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: kickoff rules? And you hear me say, you know the

520
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: things about the punt, Well, the punt's almost like a

521
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: wide receiver screen now, right, It's almost like a punt

522
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: return with these new kickoff rules. Can he be the

523
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: spark plugged in the third phase of the game there?

524
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, The short answer is yes, there's no doubt about it.

525
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: And I Awn's you know, I always in that fourth

526
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: and fifth round, uh, maybe even into the sixth. I

527
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: always wanted to get a specialized starter, necessarily sixty minute starter,

528
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: but a guy who had a starting role in some

529
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: phase of the game, like a running.

530
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: You know, like a hole, you.

531
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: Know, like a full back. And I would like to

532
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: talk about the two corners we drafted, because the other

533
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: position is nickelback. Okay, and sometimes you don't think of

534
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: the nickelback as a starter, but if you can develop one,

535
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: he's a specialized starter. And of course your special teams

536
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: guy like Colliers the linebacker. I expect him to be

537
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: a good cover guy. But there's no question about gol

538
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: Goal has fantasy numbers. I mean they're they're they're they're

539
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: video game numbers in terms of what is it for

540
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: sixteen to two per return in fifteen four for pass

541
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: catch and he had seventy seven catches. It's not like

542
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: he did now. He's diminutive. He really looks a lot

543
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: like Isaiah McKenzie if he wanted to make a comp

544
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: you know, the Tank Dell was about that size, you know,

545
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: coming out, and people were critical of Tank Dell, you know,

546
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: and before he got hurt, he was smoking for the Texans.

547
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: So you know at five eight one seventy four, but

548
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: he has tremendous I mean the numbers are real. I

549
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: mean he's four to three nine thirty nine and a

550
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: half vertical. And this is critical right here. This is

551
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: one of my big four that I always look at.

552
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: We don't talk about it a lot. He has a

553
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: four to one six short shuttle, which tells you he's lightning.

554
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: He has lightning quickness along with long speed and explosiveness

555
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: on that vertical. And the film is there. The tape

556
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: doesn't lie. You see the ability to make people miss

557
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: and score. And I totally agree with you. Now he's

558
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: he's basically been a punt return guy, not a kickoff

559
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: return guy. But I think that transition is different. Now.

560
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: You know, at one time that you, well right up

561
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: to now, you taught your kick return guy to take

562
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: the damn ball, get north and south, have courage, find

563
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: a crack and go. I mean, that's that's what you

564
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: told him to do. And if he split it, he

565
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: split it. But now with that new rule, I do

566
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: see it like a screen. I see it more like

567
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: a screen because you're gonna have a lot of bodies around,

568
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,239
Speaker 2: but are also gonna have cracks, and so now I

569
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: think vision and elusiveness may be number one, And don't

570
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: I don't think it's now as important to have done

571
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: a lot of it because I think and he's a

572
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: master is catching the screen and go. And that's kind

573
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: of like I said, I kind of agree with you.

574
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: I think now the new Kickoff returned rule more as

575
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: creating a screencast environment and so that there's no question

576
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: that you got a guy that potentially, you know and

577
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: and Downs can do it. But you'd really like to

578
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 2: have a guy that's what he does. You know, that's exact,

579
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: and you know he's gonna be a guy you can

580
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: run with gadgets as well. You know, there's yeah, I

581
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: mean it's not like he it's not like he doesn't.

582
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, that that's a really good pick. And then

583
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: I think, what you and I'll just hit this for

584
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: a minute. I don't want to take up your time.

585
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: But the other thing I would say is that I

586
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: did like Simpson on my radar and Abraham of course,

587
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: like coached against his father Donnie for years in the

588
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: in the league. He has a great pedigree. Both of

589
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: them have good speed, both of them are on the

590
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: smaller size. But here's here's what I think you're trying

591
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: to get there. I think between the two of them

592
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: and probably Simpson number one, who's played safety in corner,

593
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: what you really want to get is that future natural nickel. Okay,

594
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: because Kenny's great at what he does, there's nobody better.

595
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: But we really, you know, after we lost Brown, we

596
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: really don't have on this roster, we don't really have

597
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: another natural Nickel. And so I think when you're dealing

598
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: there late, it's, like I said before, looking for specialized starters,

599
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: and so you got to look at those guys, I

600
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: think in that context. But you know, for your original premise, Stow,

601
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: there's no question at Gohoul gives you, you know, excitement

602
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: and potential big playability.

603
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you said, the last four picks in the

604
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 3: draft for the Colts, Jalen Carlis at a Missouri, a

605
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: safety who projects more as a linebacker, and the Colts

606
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: eyes at the next level Jalen Simpson, who you mentioned,

607
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: safety out of Auburn. He can also play the cornerback

608
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: spot and also maybe kick inside. To your point, Micah Abraham,

609
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: a cornerback at a Marshall whose father Donnie played nine

610
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 3: seasons in the NFL as well. And then the seventh

611
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: round draft pick for the Colts Jonah Lualu, a defensive

612
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: tackle from Oklahoma, really crowded defensive tackle room. Rick, that's

613
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: probably a projection pick or a guy that you know,

614
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: it's based on traits and he's going to be a

615
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: developmental guy potentially, you know, I think best case scenario

616
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: for him is probably on the practice squad next year.

617
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. You just took an athlete you hope you can

618
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: develop and there's nothing wrong with that on the seventh round.

619
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about that. All right. I want to

620
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 3: double back as we close out here, Rick, you talked

621
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 3: about the cornerbacks, uh, and you know the depth you

622
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 3: have there going into the season, because, as you said,

623
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: it took until the team's seventh selection in this year's draft,

624
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: it was Jalen Simpson to take a defensive back and

625
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: the Colts were trying to address that earlier in the draft.

626
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 3: It just didn't work out. But they said before the

627
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 3: draft they've got a lot of confidence in their young

628
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: corners coming back, you know, and the draft kind of

629
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: backed that up, rolling with Dallas Flowers and Juju Brents

630
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: and Jalen Jones and your eyes, Rick, how much of

631
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: a bet is it for the colts that they're writing

632
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: with that young group at least as of now.

633
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: Well, I look at as a two tiered issue. If

634
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: you were if you were going to take the only

635
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,479
Speaker 2: the only corner that I had rated in the top

636
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: ten that I would have rated, you know, my three

637
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 2: top defensive guys in the you know, top ten guys

638
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: were Mitchell the corner from Toledo, a lot too, in Turner,

639
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: the edge guy from Alabama. I mean that was that

640
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: was my three, and then you went down from there.

641
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: So you would have, you know, to get a premiere corner,

642
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: you would have had to take Mitchell, you know, instead

643
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: of lot Too. It really would have come down to that.

644
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: And then you know, as again, guys like Bullock, they

645
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 2: went fast in that second round. Those corners just started

646
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 2: flying off that board in that second round like they

647
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: always do, and we just ended up just being a

648
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: dollar short on that. I you know, I'm concerned, but

649
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: I think we can help the situation. I am, you know,

650
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: and I will always be consistent. I know I drive

651
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: people crazy, but I did it for twenty seven years.

652
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: I like speed at the corner, and I'm worried about that.

653
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: You know, Flowers is coming back, That'll be a critical

654
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: aspect of, you know, where we go from here. He

655
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: was having a really good year both as a return

656
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: guy and as a corner. He's the one guy that

657
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: we have that really has my kind of speed. Our

658
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: other corners are long and tall, but they don't run

659
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: very well. And I worry in a seventeen game season,

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00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: one of my big four that I mentioned to you

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00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: last week, one of my big four questions for this

662
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: team is can our corners hold up on the island

663
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: for seventeen Sundays? And I'm not sure. I really I'm

664
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: ambivalent towards that, whether they can or not. Now. I

665
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: do believe though that those kids like Juju and Jones

666
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: have some good qualities and traits that schematically you can help,

667
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: which we did not do. First things, I think you

668
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 2: have to make things much more defined. We played way

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00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: too much of what I call that four read coverage

670
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: four palms, and you saw so many times, you know,

671
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: from the Nico Collins play all the way through the season,

672
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: just blow coverage just back there. So I think one

673
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: thing schematically is we have to make it much more

674
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: defined for those corners. Not a lot of that read

675
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: of number two and all that, because it just makes

676
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: them hesitant. And if you're hesitant at all and you

677
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 2: don't have great catch up speed, you're behind an account.

678
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: So I think schematically that's number one, all that indecisive

679
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: stuff number two. When you're long like they are in

680
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: competitive I think you have to play a lot of

681
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: press coverage. The worst thing you can do is get

682
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: a corner that doesn't have great speed and make him

683
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 2: go into transition, which you do from a back pedal.

684
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: You go from a back pedal, you have to turn

685
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: into a sprint, and you're already in transition. If I

686
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: get up in your face, I'm going to disrupt you

687
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: at the line of screws. Now, you have to coach

688
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: the hell out of them with hand placement. But I

689
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: can coach a guy that, and you want to get it,

690
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: and you want to do a lot more pressing with

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00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: Jones and Juju. Get up in guy's face, up in

692
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: their grill, don't give them free releases, stuff them at

693
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: the line of script image, and then to protect them,

694
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: you play a little bit more cover two, but cover

695
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: two where you're jamming the hell out of people. You

696
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: can come off on the run. And basically what I'm

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00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: saying is you want to use these young corners in

698
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: a much more aggressive fashion, and I think you can

699
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: survive with it. I think the passiveness of our coverages

700
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: is what kills us both underneath and both at the edge.

701
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: So you know, am I a little concerned about it?

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00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: You?

703
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: Damn right. I'm probably more concerned than anybody because of

704
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 2: how I look at the game. But at the same time,

705
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: I also feel like we haven't done them justice schematically.

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00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 3: Something to keep an eye on for sure this spring,

707
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 3: and we wrap up with that Rick. Finally, what else

708
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 3: kind of stands out to you about this roster right now?

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00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: I mean, ota Is are going to start well three weeks.

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00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: You mentioned some things to me and you kind of

711
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: stimulated my thinking. I hadn't got there yet. But you know, like,

712
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: what are we looking for? What are the battles? You know,

713
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: what do we kind of looking for? Obviously I think

714
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: you know, the first battle it shouldn't be a battle,

715
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: but you know, a lot too compared to Ebu Konan,

716
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, that's going to be interesting to watch.

717
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: I think Cross versus Thomas h You know, I'm so

718
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 2: happy we got Blackman signed. Blackman is a legitimate top

719
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: tier player. Cross showed signs last year, you know, at

720
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: times and making great players at times not being there.

721
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: But I think that situation, We're obviously going to keep

722
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: our eyes on the return game. You know, we're gonna

723
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 2: expect Gould to do it, but you still have downs

724
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't know, with Flowers coming off

725
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: the knee, probably not like to have him do it,

726
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: but he's pretty good. I think one of the critical things,

727
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 2: you know, particularly with Woods and ogle Tree coming back,

728
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: is the tight end room. When we got a bus

729
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: load of guys with different kind of talents, you know it.

730
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: You know, I thought Mallory played good for a rookie.

731
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: Grantson has always been pretty good receiver, and Ogo Tree

732
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 2: and Woods. You when we were in training camp two

733
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: years ago, not last year, but the year before, it

734
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: was all those two guys were one and two and

735
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: I thought Oho Tree was one. So you know, I'm

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00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: gonna be really really looking at that situation. And then

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Speaker 2: who the hell is the backup running back? You know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we lost a really good player

739
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: in Moss now, and what I'm what I'm saying is

740
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: we lost a guy who was a complete NFL running

741
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: back behind a great one and I don't know who

742
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 2: that is right now, so that'll be interesting to watch

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00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 2: for sure.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff right there, great stuff in fact, Rick Venturi,

745
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 3: And that'll do it for Inside Football on the post

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Speaker 3: draft edition, my man. Wonderful job as always on our

747
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: draft coverage with us on radio. As I always say,

748
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 3: it's an absolute blast and incredibly informative. Love to open

749
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: up that brain of yours and just let the uh

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00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: love to watch the information just come spewing out. So

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00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: can't thank you enough for the last couple of days here.

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Speaker 3: Have a great rest of your week, and like I said,

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00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: we'll see here for soon, and be safe on that

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00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: motorcycle as you enjoy the great weather here now in

755
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: the month of May.

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Speaker 2: Well that will that will start this afternoon motorcycle season.

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00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: Motorcycles season starts now. I will definitely see you for

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00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 2: that June second mini camp. I don't know how much before,

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00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: but you'll definitely see you for that.

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Speaker 3: It's opening day for Rick Ventury, my man. Where the

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Speaker 3: helmet be safe? All right?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: Fantastic as always Rick Ventury on Inside the Draft, Inside Football,

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Speaker 3: and that's gonna do it for this episode here on

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Speaker 3: May number one. As always for the latest on the Colts,

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00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: check us out on Colts dot com and the Colts

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00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: Mobile app for the latest. I'm Matt Taylor again for

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Speaker 3: Rick vent Tury. Thanks for listening here on the Colts

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Speaker 2: So on,