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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today are Jimmy Buckett and Matt mcinally. We

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Speaker 1: worked together and separately and make a great team. Gentlemen. Hello, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's let's talk with you. Mac. Where exactly are you

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Speaker 1: right now? I'm in the Attic in Nashville, Tennessee. Uh,

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Speaker 1: in a little overdub room where I try to make

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Speaker 1: joyful noise. It's a regular place for me. Yeah. Do

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Speaker 1: you live in Nashville or uh? You have a house

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Speaker 1: in Mississippi, Alabama between here and Muscle Shoals, Alabama. My, uh,

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Speaker 1: just cross pollin ad a couple of a couple of

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Speaker 1: recording studios with beds in them. And for those who

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Speaker 1: were uninitiated, how far is Muscle Shoals from Nashville? It's

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Speaker 1: about two and a half hours, or maybe a third

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Speaker 1: of a song if you're writing, you know, I tend

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Speaker 1: to drive with my knees and play a mandolin back

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Speaker 1: and forth and so. But but it's about a two

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Speaker 1: and a half hour regular drive. And Jimmy, where are

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Speaker 1: you right now? I am in sag Harbor, New York,

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Speaker 1: Bob at my house here, summer house, and have you

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Speaker 1: the entire coronavirus house now, well that's my question. Have

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Speaker 1: you been there the whole time during since March in

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Speaker 1: the lockdown? No? Actually, I got locked down in California

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Speaker 1: for about almost three and a half months. I was

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Speaker 1: visiting my kids when it all happened, and there two

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Speaker 1: of my children are living out there, and we have

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Speaker 1: a house out there to where my wife likes to

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Speaker 1: go for like January April, so we were there, so

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Speaker 1: we just stayed and then we came back here in May.

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Speaker 1: And to what degree are you social distancing lockdown quarantining

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Speaker 1: near in sag Harbor. I am. I'm at a bubble here,

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Speaker 1: but it's a bit it's a pretty cool bubble, so

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Speaker 1: I can do things that I want to do. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like being at camp. But to me,

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Speaker 1: it's like, uh, you know, I've been talking about taking

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Speaker 1: a year off for forty two years, but this is

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Speaker 1: not what I intended to do. But you know, there

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Speaker 1: are some silver linings in it that my kids are

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Speaker 1: all here and I probably wouldn't see them this much

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Speaker 1: ever for the rest of my life. And it's been

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Speaker 1: great and uh and busy, and thanks to zoom and

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Speaker 1: to Matt, we've been doing a lot of stuff out

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Speaker 1: of this is a model my studio here in tach Harvard.

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Speaker 1: So we're doing a lot of zoom and the stuff

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Speaker 1: from Marguet Redeville Radio and margat Revill TV. Now you

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Speaker 1: mentioned camp. Did you go to summer camp? Yes, nothing

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Speaker 1: like this. Summer camp to me was in what Bellefontaine, Mississippi,

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Speaker 1: and a in a mosquito infested by you with the

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Speaker 1: dormitory with ex World War two beds in it. You know.

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Speaker 1: But I would look into my Boy Scout magazine and

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Speaker 1: see these beautiful pictures of camps in Vermont and Maine.

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Speaker 1: You had to sell Rick magazines to win a win

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Speaker 1: a trip to those camps. I never made it. So

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Speaker 1: one of my kids went off to one of those

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Speaker 1: camps up here. You know, we dropped them off. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna stay at least have breakfast because it looks really good. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So the camp you went to, was it a boy

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Speaker 1: Scout camp? No, it was a Catholic school camp, Camp Gravolin. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was like where all the parochial schools but from

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Speaker 1: Mobile to Pascagoula to like Buluxie that's where you all

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Speaker 1: went camping. And were there girls there? Yes, there were,

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Speaker 1: and wrote life is just a time. No, there's a

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Speaker 1: there's a top much. Cousin Baxter went to camp with me,

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Speaker 1: little more sensitive benchure than he did. Well, I always felt,

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Speaker 1: make that deal. But that's where I had my first

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Speaker 1: real experiences with girls. How about you? No, No, this

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Speaker 1: is tackling, Bob. Come on, you know this is another

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Speaker 1: day in another time. I waited till I finished high

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Speaker 1: of lost time. Well that begs the question, what's your

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Speaker 1: view on Catholicism today? Well, uh, you know, I gotta

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Speaker 1: But then not now to what degreed you believe you're

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Speaker 1: see the good things. Where when we were alter boys,

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Speaker 1: a Red Shandy second baseman's and mid for doing it,

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Speaker 1: So I was already making a high stuff anyway about it.

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Speaker 1: Red shandyd you you who pronounced it better than I did?

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Speaker 1: Were you a big baseball player as a second baseman?

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Speaker 1: Red Shandy says, one of my heroes, Red Shandyson and

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Speaker 1: Henry Aaron was from Mobile, so of course he was

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, okay, So Mac, what you do during the

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Speaker 1: summer growing up well, we uh we raised catfish uh

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Speaker 1: playing guitar. That was pretty much my my childhood. I

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Speaker 1: This was in Fairfield, Connecticut. You know, you need a

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Speaker 1: it about raising raising catfish? Was that your father's mean business? Now,

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Speaker 1: But you aread cat cat child and sticking Darcia. I

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Speaker 1: you a good student? I made two a's, uh, and

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Speaker 1: he said, well, I'm a good Christian man, and I know,

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00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: I know you want your boy to be a musician.

428
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: He needs to learn to play with other musicians. And

429
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: I will drive down here and pick him up, and

430
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: I'll take him up to Tennessee and i'll bring him

431
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: home and I'll make sure he behaves himself and uh,

432
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: and I'll pay him two hundred and fifty dollars a week.

433
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,239
Speaker 1: And I was thirteen years old in nineteen seventy, and

434
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: that was more money than my dad was making teaching

435
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: school in Mississippi in nineteen seventies, more money than my

436
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: mom was making at the Wrangler factory in Belmont making

437
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: blue jeans. And something in that guy's presentation made an

438
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: impression on my parents. And that Friday night, I was

439
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: at the Circle E Club in Iron City, Tennessee, wearing

440
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 1: a lime green leisure suit that was a hand me

441
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: down from George Jones's band that did not fit, and

442
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: I was playing songs that I've never heard in my

443
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: life on the piano. And although I didn't have chicken

444
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: wire there, there were live chainsaws in that club. There

445
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: were a couple of guys that would rev up their

446
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: chainsaw instead of applauding at the end of the song.

447
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 1: So I was afraid, you know, I was. I was.

448
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: It was like deliverance or something. I was a ready

449
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: to get off stage. We would take a break and

450
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: I would just go hide behind the piano and uh

451
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: and wait un till he's played again. But but I

452
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: made two or fifty bucks a week, got home about

453
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: two thirty in the morning, and got up and went

454
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: to school. Of seventh thirty in the seventh grade. Wow, Jimmy,

455
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: So you went to Catholic school. Yeah, all twelve years. Okay,

456
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: what kind of student were you? I was. I was

457
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: an average student. And there there's something I loved history,

458
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: and I would things that I that inspired me. I

459
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: like I like in English, I like reading. I like

460
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: reading all the classics. And so then that was my

461
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: mother was the reader and the family and she at

462
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: that point wanted me to be a you know, another

463
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: Mississippi literary person, I think, because she adored the people

464
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 1: like you do are wealthy and uh and and William

465
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: Farker and people like that, and she made us read them.

466
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: And then you know, and then the and the music

467
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: you listen to is your parents music, because this is

468
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: before there even and so they had great musical taste.

469
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: And you know, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Rosemary Clooney, people

470
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: like that that I heard. But Frank Sinatra I really

471
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: liked as a kid. And then my grandfather would bring

472
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: him all records because he was still a captain of

473
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: a steamship and he his run was from New Orleans

474
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: to uh down to the Caribbean to Argentina and Brazil,

475
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: and he loved Clipso and Bossanova music, and he'd buy

476
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: albums down there and bring them to my mom. And

477
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: so that's where I first heard Caribbean music, was those

478
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: records my grandfather broke back to my mother. And at

479
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: what point did you start playing an instrument? I didn't

480
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: play the guitar until I went to I went off

481
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: my first year in college to Harvard University of Plays

482
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: I did not want to go to, and i'd I'd

483
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: blown the whole thing with the Naval Academy and uh,

484
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: well wait, how serious was this Naval Academy thing? Well,

485
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: it was serious in my parents eyes, but obviously not

486
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: in seriously it should have been. And I, you know,

487
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: the good news now is, uh, I'm kind of a

488
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: part time uh instructor on on offshore sailing as as

489
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: like what they call auxiliary at the Naval Academy. So

490
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: I kind of I went from not men here to

491
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: get in to being a sailing teacher there. So I'm good.

492
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: Did you actually applied? Yes, you had to have a

493
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: congressional appointment in those days, which I think you still did,

494
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: and that was all politics, do it? You know? My?

495
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: You know my? Like I said, my mom and dad

496
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: worked at the ship, right, they knew some people had connections,

497
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: but I blew it on the tests. And then so

498
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: I went away to Auburn. What what what? What before

499
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: you get there? You want to go to the Naval Ecademy. Yeah,

500
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: but I guess not bad enough, huh. And so I

501
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: wound up at Auburn, and um, you know, it's one

502
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: of those first things. And I still was a pretty

503
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 1: shy guy there. I mean, I you know, I went

504
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: to one of those pledge parties plitched, you know, in

505
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: the opening of school at this fraternity house, and there

506
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: was a guy playing guitar, and all the girls were

507
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: rather interested in what he was singing. And I noticed that.

508
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: And and so when it when it came time to

509
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, pledge of fraternity, I knew nobody there. Knew

510
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: nothing about the fraternity system because we never had those

511
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: in in in Catholic school. So I said, you know,

512
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: this guy was playing the guitar. I like this place.

513
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: I'll pledge here. So ironically enough, when I did, they

514
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: they gave you a room assignment in the house. And

515
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: my room assignments wound up being with the guy named

516
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: Johnny young Blood who was the guy playing on the guitar.

517
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: So he I walked in the room, I show him

518
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: a little and you know, they bought guitars and I

519
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: kind of faith seeing Elvis songs and my parents parties

520
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: or Marty raw Thing, but I never really played until

521
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: I got to know Johnny young Blood And I said,

522
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: how do you do that? How do you do And

523
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: he said, I only know three course G, C, and D,

524
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: and I would teach me those cords and that's about

525
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: all I'll learned it all and with those three chords,

526
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: and it worked out, and Johnny young Wood was ironically enough, uh,

527
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: I was clear. I was, you know, doing some other

528
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: chores around her, cleaning out guests and things that we're

529
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: doing now. And I looked through a whole stack of

530
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: letters that I had because I always used to keep

531
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: all the letters, and I had letters from Johnny Youngwood

532
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: because by that time he had had a little trouble

533
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: in his life and had an alcohol problem and and

534
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: was up and was in jail from anslaughter, but then

535
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: cleaned up around the program in prison, and I got

536
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: letters from him there. I don't know if he's still

537
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: allowed now, but I'm gonna find out. I read that

538
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: three days ago. Okay, your dream of going to the

539
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: academy is dashed. Prior to picking up the guitar, did

540
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: you have a vision what you wanted to do with

541
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: your life? No, I knew. I knew I was in

542
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: serious trouble because I did not tell my parents. I

543
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: flunked out in the UH after in the middle of

544
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: the second quarter. I knew it was not gonna happen.

545
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: And by then I was playing with Johnny, and Johnny

546
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: had had gigs in Panama City, so I kind of

547
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: made a deal with him. I said, you know, the

548
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: little bit of money my parents were sending me for school,

549
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: I said, I'll let them keep sending it to you

550
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: and I'll split it with it, but I'm gonna go

551
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: down to Panama Sit and try to get into junior

552
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: college down there because Vietnam was bubbling up and I

553
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: can work down there. So that was my motus Opperremdi

554
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: and uh it did not work out, and I kept

555
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: trying it out at other junior colleges, UH that, and

556
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: and finally it wasn't happening, and I knew I had

557
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: to go home and face my father. And I drove

558
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: normally I'd always drive Highway Downy along the coast because

559
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: that's where all my family lived. But I was so

560
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: depressed about what was happening. I said, I'm gonna go

561
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: home and join the Marines and go to Vietnam. I'm

562
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: just blown everything. And Uh. On the way there, on

563
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: the back road US eleven, I went to stop light

564
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: and I look up and I see a sign says

565
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: Pearl River Junior College. And there's this very charming and

566
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: very pretty girl walking through the cross walk and smiled

567
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 1: and wait at me. I went, I don't know, So

568
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: I pulled in. I went to the admissions that what

569
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: does it what does it take to get in here?

570
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: And they said a point five nine overall, and I went,

571
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 1: I got a point six and it was It turns

572
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: out it was a flunky school for everybody from l

573
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: s U or Old Miss or anybody. So they were

574
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: in junior college to stay out of Vietnam. And I

575
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: signed up and I went to Pearl River Junior College

576
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: and there was a guy there I started playing with.

577
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: So I continued playing there, met people, then went to

578
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: the University of Southern Mississippi just up the road, and

579
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: by then I've been in New Orleans kind of playing

580
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: and hoot Danny Knights for free, you know, for for

581
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: the pickup nights. And I at that point New Orleans

582
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: is already in there, and I knew that's what I

583
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: wanted to do. Then, Okay, were you a popular kid

584
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: in school? Kind of but not? You know, I was okay,

585
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: but I wasn't like kind of running then. I wasn't

586
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: a class blown and I wasn't an a student, so

587
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: I was somewhere in the middle. Now, okay, so what

588
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: point in this his era do you decide that you

589
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: want to be a musician professionally? I knew. I knew

590
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: it because I was working by that time. We had

591
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: a band and we were we were working. Uh very

592
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna tell the Beatles story I had was that,

593
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: Uh I was, I was working on Bourbon Street and

594
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: in the folk group. And when the Sergeant Pepper came

595
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: out and by that time, I'm at school in Hattsburg, Mississippi,

596
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: but basically living in New Orleans and driving back and forth.

597
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: And uh, Sergeant Pepper came out and we bought it,

598
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: and we and we said, you know, we gotta chank,

599
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: we gotta become a folk rock band, and we bought

600
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: the Sergeant Pepper album and we said, all right, here's

601
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: the plan. We're gonna drop acid to night and learn

602
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: this entire album and go in and audition the next

603
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: day to the club owner and say we want to

604
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: play next store at the Gunga then and and be

605
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: it because we knew they had an opening for a

606
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: band there, and so we did it. We staid, and

607
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: then back at school, well a little bit lower. Hey,

608
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: did you smoke a lot of dope and drop a

609
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: lot of acid before this? Uh? Not. I didn't smoke

610
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: a lot of week because I never smoked cigarettes. But yeah,

611
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: during that time, yeah, I took a little acid at

612
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: the time. But then you know, then I kind of

613
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, that's enough of that. But the fun thing

614
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: was that at this point I was day to a

615
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: girl in the theater department, and I knew that there

616
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: were costumes in the theater department. So after we learned

617
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: the album, we drove back to Pettisburg. She gave me

618
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: the key and we went in and borrowed outfits that

619
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: looked similar to what the Beatles had on. Sergeant Pepper

620
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: put those outfits on, who ran back to New Orleans

621
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 1: audition and got the job, and you played Sergeant Pepper.

622
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: Yes everything, We played the entire album. We became a

623
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: very popular Beatles cover band, and we started playing fraternity

624
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: parties all through that part of the South. Okay, you

625
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: graduated from college, yet how do you stay out of Vietnam? Um?

626
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 1: At that time you had to fill out forms for deferments,

627
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, and and by that time I

628
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: started flying. I had two roommates who were in r

629
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: RTC at the Mississippi Southern, and they were flying in

630
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: a little a little airport in Hannisburgh, English flying Service

631
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: because it was part of the Navy program. So I could,

632
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: and I was making a little little money then, and

633
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to find my dad was a fly or

634
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 1: in the war. And uh, he was the only one

635
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: that didn't go to see you. He flew. And so

636
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: I started flying a little bit. And so when it

637
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: came around, Uh, what happened was I was late for registering,

638
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: and you had a register for the draft in and

639
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: this girl in the office admissions helf has just gave

640
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: me all the forms. And I looked at him, and

641
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: I thought, man, that's I'm not supposed to be filling

642
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: this app that that's the uh, that's the selecting service

643
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: for him. I filled it out. It was this was

644
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight and it put expected data graduation. I'm

645
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: supposed to graduate and six at the end of sixty eight,

646
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: I put in nineteen seventy two, and I just I

647
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: forgot about and nothing ever happened, you know. But the

648
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: thing of it was, by that time I was playing

649
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: in a bar in Hattisburg and Camp Shelby had a

650
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: had a jungle warfare training facility there and there were

651
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: people coming back from Vietnam who were training people to

652
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: go and they became clientele and this are and that's

653
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: the first time because I was always thinking what they

654
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: get caught. I can fly now and I will go

655
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: and they want you don't go there. And that's the

656
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: first time I heard soldiers telling me not to go

657
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: to war. And so that was a very there's a

658
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: there's a chapter in the first book or for Vietnam Mississippi,

659
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: and that's what it was about. So by that time, Okay,

660
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: I get ready to graduate. A call comes in to

661
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: go to the office and there's the head of our

662
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: OTC with my form that I had forge and he said,

663
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: not only am I going to see that, you go

664
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: uh into the arm I'll make sure you're in the

665
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: infantry and you go to the front lines to Vietnam

666
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: for full inness off. And I went hell with that.

667
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: So I went over to the naval recruiter, passed the

668
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: task as I've flown some to go to officer candidate school.

669
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: Said if I'm gonna go, I want to go as

670
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: a flyer, and so I passed that. Went for the

671
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: physical wound up. I had a peptic ulcer pod from

672
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: drinking too much in New Orleans when I was eighteen

673
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: and I was one. While that was it. I never

674
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: saw another thing there just was lucky for you. Wow,

675
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: you were really lucky. And then I went right back

676
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: to New Ords and just kept playing. Oh yeah, it

677
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: was like the greatest day in your life. That point

678
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: you've been okay, going back to you back you're playing

679
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: piano in this band, but a right, you would really

680
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: viewed yourself more as a guitarist. At what point do

681
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: you start writing songs and at what point do you say, hey,

682
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: I want to be a singer songwriter or what do

683
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: you say to yourself? Well, I was Jimmy says he

684
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: was a bashful kid. I would have been competitively bashful.

685
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: I was really bashful and uh, and I gotta say

686
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: to you also, Jimmy, I was in Dean and the Reefers.

687
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing about Dean and the Reefers is

688
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: a Dean, the lead singer, did not know what reefer was.

689
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: He just thought it was a cool word. He was

690
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: extremely straight laced, with a crew cut, and you know,

691
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: butch wax on his hair, and and he had Dean

692
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: and the Reefers painted on our van. And he could

693
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: never figure out why all the long hairs gave us

694
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: the peace sign when we drove by, Like why did

695
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: they do that? You know? He had a different observation. Yeah,

696
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: but uh, but my I was I wanted to be

697
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,959
Speaker 1: a guitar player, but I couldn't be. If you knew

698
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: the notes on a piano, you were sort of the

699
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: piano player. And in bands up there because everybody played guitar,

700
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: and whoever was the worst guitar player played bass. That's

701
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: just the way it went. You heard the old Willie

702
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: Nelson line. Ray Ray Price asked, Willie said, can you

703
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: play bass? And Willy said can't? Everybody? Uh, in reality

704
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: that not many people can play bass, but but it

705
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: was perceived that anybody could play bass. Back then. I

706
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: I would play piano, and when we took a break,

707
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: I would sit down behind the piano and pull out

708
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: my acoustic guitar and and and try to practice fingerpicking

709
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: when I was at these nightclub gigs and just the

710
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: physics of doing that. Uh. The guys from muscle shows,

711
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: the muscle shows, Rhythm section, guys that Roger Hawkins and

712
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: David Hood and those classic musicians, if they wanted to

713
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: play live, they had to go to the Tennessee Line too.

714
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: They went up above the honky Tonks. They would come

715
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: up there and sit in That's how I met those guys.

716
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: And they would come and say this idiot kids sitting

717
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: behind the piano playing acoustic guitar on the breaks. They

718
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: just come and see what I was doing, and and

719
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: they decided that I could play a little bit. And

720
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: they said, hey, man, would you would you like to

721
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: play in some studios? Shoot you out? And I didn't

722
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, I knew what was going on in muscle shows,

723
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: but at that time, for all the music that was

724
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: happening in muscle shows, there wasn't really a dedicated acoustic

725
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: guitar player. Uh, And so they said, well, you know,

726
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: give us your number and we'll call you and you

727
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: come play some acoustic guitar. And you know, Dwayne Almand

728
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: had already gone from there, but there were great guitar

729
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: players there. Pete Carr was there, and and uh, Tippy

730
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Eddie Hinton and Larry Byron from Stepping Wolfe

731
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: was still in in in town. But there wasn't an

732
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: acoustic player. So I started at fifteen. I started playing

733
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: Muscle Shoals sessions as an acoustic player, and I didn't

734
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: know what in the hell I was doing, but I

735
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: was in the in the presence of some people who

736
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: really did. I got to work with Rick Hall, and

737
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: I got to work with Terry Woodford, Clayton Ivy and

738
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: and Jerry Wexler, and great record producers came to Muscle

739
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: Shoals and I got to sit at the feet of

740
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: those guys and just be a sponge. And I didn't.

741
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: I was too bashful to say I want to be

742
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: a songwriter or a singer or the guy in the

743
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: middle of the stage. And to this day, I'm extremely

744
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: grateful to have this guy over here in the zoom

745
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: meeting to stand next to and uh and draft off

746
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: of in the in the NASCAR sense of drafting, because

747
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: Jimmy has that kind of ambition that I was born without.

748
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: My ambition is just to make music and try to

749
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: make it a little bit better tomorrow than I did today.

750
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: That's what drives me. And the fact that I get

751
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: to to be a coral reefer. Uh men. And and

752
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: in the cracks of Jimmy schedule say the little things

753
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: that pop in my head every few years and and

754
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: go play a solo show and sing that to the

755
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: listening room full of folks that want to hear. That

756
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: makes me about as lucky a guy as I could

757
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 1: possibly be for for what I like, I wouldn't change

758
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: anything about my life. So, Jimmy, were you always ambitious?

759
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: I think so? I mean, yeah, I learned, you know,

760
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: because after that kind of you know, we I was

761
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: always you know, taught to the industrious. And I did

762
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: small jobs because I wanted my independence in my own money.

763
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: So you know, I've worked in I was a bag

764
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: boy horse store on Mode lawns and that as a kid.

765
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: And uh and you know when when when school came along,

766
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: I could I could work again in the shipyard, but

767
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: I was going off to school and make some decent

768
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: money to help my parents because they were trying to

769
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: trying to send me to school. So but the thing

770
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: of it was when I started playing, um, yeah, I

771
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: kind of had more ambition than the other people I

772
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: was playing with. So it kind of made me the

773
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: leader because I would get stuff together. I wouldn't do

774
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: the set list. I would, you know, I would say,

775
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: these are the songs we ought to be playing. And

776
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: then you know, when it when it came time to

777
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 1: have a real band and we were going to really

778
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: go for this, I was still kind of working at

779
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: this show. You know, I had like real jobs then,

780
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: and so I had I had actually a credit at

781
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: the music store and mobile. So when we started to

782
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: do this, I said, well, we're gonna need a sound system,

783
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: and uh, everybody else had went well, I'm very I said, well,

784
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: I'll I'll get and I went on and I applied

785
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: for a loan and I got a book full and

786
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: I got a credit that was a Bogan p A

787
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: system and I bought and I said, well, I bought

788
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: the A system. So that I'm gonna have to be

789
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: the leader of the band because I'm not gonna let

790
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: you all break my p A system and I gotta

791
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: pay for it. And so you know, I liked being

792
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: the leader of the band and it worked out. Okay.

793
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: A couple of questions. While you were playing in New

794
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: Orleans and in this era after college, do you ever

795
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: have a day gig? Uh in New Orleans? No? I played,

796
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: h I played, you know, I played honors other you know,

797
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: the only thing I had to I could make extra

798
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: money by when we were off. We played a half

799
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: hour on half hour off, you know, like nine to

800
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: nine at night at two in the morning. But I

801
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: could get it making extra money going out and being

802
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: the barker on the street on Bourbon Street. And I

803
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: think that kind of that kind of sharpened my edge

804
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: or being a shameless performer because you had to be

805
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: shanless go out into that. But I had fifty extra week. Yeah, absolutely,

806
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: I could never do that like the guy standing on

807
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: the corner in the subway outfits, etcetera. So at what

808
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: point does it turn from a band into a singer

809
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: songwriter thing? For me? Yeah? Yeah, for you, Jimmy, well,

810
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: everything to have the band broke up as they do,

811
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: as they will, and the band oca and uh, so

812
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: I still had made connections with agents that booked some

813
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: of these other bands playing, which this was like the

814
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: big when folk music was still big and and folk

815
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: rock was big. These two clubs, and you gotta remember

816
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: at that time Bourbon Street was just about as much

817
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: music given out, more so on Bourbon Street as you know,

818
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: strip joints and beer parlors, because Pete Fountain Alhert had

819
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: a club there. Uh you know, um and the Neville

820
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: Brothers were playing at the Ivanhoe. Uh Preservation Hall was there.

821
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: Um Allen Toussaint had a stuck Cosmo Studios downtown. So

822
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: there was a lot more music that was going on

823
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: on that street. So I was immersed in and I

824
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: loved that stuff. So when the band broke up, I

825
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: mean I immediately went back down there and tried to

826
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: get a job in a band, and I played drums

827
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: one night in the band. They fired me after the

828
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: first step, and I remember I was playing local up

829
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: by Sergio Mendez, and that's I thought I was doing

830
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: a good job. And because I played drums and the

831
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: third grade marching bandage, so Anyway, I had connections up there,

832
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: and I had been't doing solo gigs, and so I

833
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: found that this booker up in Minnesota that could put

834
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: me on the road doing doing stuff. And I played

835
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: that and then those those shows when I could. Then

836
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: I went back to Mobile when I graduated from college,

837
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: kind of figure out what what else to do, and

838
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: I got a job at a bar called the Adimal

839
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: Sims Hotel, in a hotel right downtown Mobile, and I'm

840
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: uh again. I was following a friend of mine who

841
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: had worked in New Orleans together and he's the one

842
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: that brought me up to kind of jam. Next thing

843
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: I knew when he left town. I had the job

844
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: and I've worked there for almost a year and I

845
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 1: created a following this as a solo act and people

846
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: my parents friends at first within you know, it was

847
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: on a soul out every night and uh, and that

848
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: kind of worked. I was And from there I wanted

849
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: to make a record to sell in the bar, and

850
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: I went into a little uh record coming Audiomobile Records,

851
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: and this guy Milton Brown heard me play and said

852
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: that's pretty good, and he had Nashville connections, and Milton

853
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: eventually took me to Nashville to do demos there, and

854
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: that's how I got to Nashville. Okay, what was the

855
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: dream at this point, Since we've established you're a very

856
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: ambitious person. I wanted to be the next modern Lightfoot. Okay,

857
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: let's go back to you. Mac. You know you're very

858
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: humble guy. But at a very young age, you get

859
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: you get record deals. You're making records, so you may

860
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: be Bashville, but something is happening. Well, but the way

861
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: I got a record deal isn't just ridiculous. Because we're

862
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: sitting We're sitting in muscle shows and I'm I'm the

863
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: acoustic player on a on a session and the artist

864
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: misses a plane in doesn't show up. So we're just

865
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: a band sitting in a studio with nothing to do.

866
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: And they start asking, Okay, who's since we're here, let's

867
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: cut something. Who's got a song? And all the other

868
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: guys were the regular guys. I was the new guy,

869
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: and they had already cut everything they had they had

870
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: already cut, so they said you got any songs? And I,

871
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: being the way I am, I said no, I don't

872
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: have anything. And they went around the room about three times.

873
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: I said no three times kind of biblically and then uh,

874
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: this this engineer, Steve Moore was the engineer in the

875
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: studio and he had played in a couple of bands

876
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: with me, and he says, this guy or here is

877
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: just bashful. I know he got songs. I know he

878
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: writes songs. And they made me play a song, and uh,

879
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: and I pulled up my guitar and I played this

880
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: little song called It's a Crazy World that I wrote

881
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: when I was sixteen, and they went, jeez, we're just

882
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: gonna make a record on you. That was it. I

883
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: played a song for them that I had never played

884
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 1: for my parents. I had never done a gig, I'd

885
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,959
Speaker 1: never been in a and I'd never played a gig

886
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: and sung a lead vocal as me in my life anywhere.

887
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: My sisters had never heard that song, and all of

888
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: a sudden they cut a record on me and went

889
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: to l A and got a record deal. And I

890
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: mean it took about three Old Testament miracles Daisy chain

891
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: together for me to have a record deal, because I

892
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: would have never gone anywhere and asked anybody to listen

893
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: to me and said, you know, even though I wasn't

894
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: that far from Nashville, I never would have gone to Nashville.

895
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,479
Speaker 1: The fact that I could go to Muscle Shoals, which

896
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: was forty minutes from my hometown and and fail and

897
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: be back home by supper time made the physics of

898
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: it more workable for me. And and somehow or other,

899
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: I got a record deal and and they put out

900
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: It's a Crazy World as the first single, and that

901
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: was a chart record. And and I'm riding around the

902
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: country and my granddad's hand me down overalls with a

903
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: Scottish afro, a pretty easy to spot, might as well

904
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: have been on Mars. But I was in l A

905
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: at the Larramattage with this room that came with a

906
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: Bentley and a driver. Nobody in my family had ever

907
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: been driven by a driver, and nobody in my family

908
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: had ever been on a plane. I mean they when

909
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: I when I flew to l A to sign the

910
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: record deal, they like broke out into prayer groups, wondering

911
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: whether I was gonna crash on the way out there

912
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: or get killed by the folks in Los Angeles. One

913
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: of those two things was almost a certainty. And so

914
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: it was it was sort of like Marco Polo, you

915
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: know who played you that record? Bob Who, Uh, Howard

916
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: Stark and Jay Lasker. Wow, ready for this? Yeah, I'm

917
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: my ears are open. Uh. So I was doing okay

918
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: by then and uh him Al was on ABC Dunhill.

919
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: They signed me in Nashville. Didn't know what to do

920
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: with me, but they got a corp. Donnyhue, I don't

921
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: know if you ever ran into corp. He kind of

922
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: took a liking to me. And uh and and I

923
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: was in Key West by that time, living you have

924
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: a bar gig in the daytime, were working on cocktails

925
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: perfect were cocktail out of five to nine. And then

926
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: I go out and raise hell and I get up

927
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: on a fishing boat and worked forward to working offshore,

928
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: charter fishing and playing at a bar. So I didn't

929
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: want to go anywhere else. And this guy said we

930
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: need to come up to New York. And I went

931
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: and played, uh Sam Hoods Max's Kansas City and the

932
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: next thing I knew, they took me to l A.

933
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: They signed me, and you know, and Jim Croachy was

934
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: still going there at the time, and uh, you know

935
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 1: they were they were kind of I wasn't a little

936
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: bit slower. How do you get from Key West to

937
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: New York. I was, I was told I was called

938
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: because I did White Sport Cone, a pink crust station.

939
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: We did the album in Nashville for three days and

940
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: eleven thousand dollars, and I saved some money and got

941
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: the key West, paid off my student loans, and bought

942
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: boat and so I figured that was my insurance policy.

943
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: So I was down there and living the life when

944
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: I get a call from Corbe Donohue, astead of Artist

945
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: Relations at ABC. Doniel said, this is not a country record.

946
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: This is really good and we want to get behind this.

947
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: We're taking over from from l A. So they didn't

948
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: know what to do with in the Nashville and so,

949
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: long story short, had a nice run there with when

950
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: Jay and Howard were running ABC Dunhill and then they

951
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: got fired and then they had what was it the

952
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: name of the audio Ariel Ariola America, Ariola America. So

953
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: I just was, you know, I was. I was doing

954
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: well then, but I'd always go see those guys because

955
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: Jay Lasker was the guy said Jimmy, you know, yeah,

956
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna try to take your money from it.

957
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: Your job is to find out how we're doing it,

958
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: and so I had a great relationship with those guys,

959
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, and and I went to see them and

960
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: they said, come in here, come in. You gotta hear this.

961
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: You know, you're the next Jim Approach. This is the

962
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: next Yu And they played me It's a Crazy World

963
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: and that Mac that album with him and those overalls

964
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: on it, and I went, that that kid write songs

965
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: like William Flinger a book. I gotta find out where

966
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: he is. And they said he's trying to miss a

967
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 1: simpy like you. And I went, I went in search

968
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: of back back and now I found him. Okay, in

969
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 1: this peripatetic journey. You get married? What's going on there?

970
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: How old were you when you got married? Yeah? What Jimmy, Jimmy? Oh?

971
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: I was was I was? I think twenty one or something.

972
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: You know. I've been a crazy musician and I thought

973
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: I needed a stable the Catholic girl to settle me down.

974
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: And I knew a sus and then I was going

975
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: to Nashville and uh, she was my girlfriend at the

976
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: time that she's gone off to be a t wh Stewards.

977
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: And I drove from Mobile to Kansas City and asked

978
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: her to marry me and come back. You know, by

979
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: the time we got married, went, oh, that wasn't such

980
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: a good idea. But she's a great girl. We were

981
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: last we went to Nashville together. She wound up working

982
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: in the music business and actually wound up being a

983
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: pretty big executive with Capital and was married to Bob Mercer.

984
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: I don't remember Bob Mercer Frum who ran Capital, but uh,

985
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: we we have. We stayed in touch and then you know,

986
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: after that was over, then best when I went to

987
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: key West. How long were you actually together? Two years? Okay,

988
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: how did it end? Uh? It ended? Let's say it

989
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: ended amicably after the event that ended it because by

990
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: that time I was also working for Billboard. Then you know,

991
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: I had to get a had to get a day

992
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: job there. And when I out answered an ad in

993
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: the National Banner and said journalism degree needed the reporter

994
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: I want, I got a journalism degree and it was

995
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: Billboard Magazine and I went to work for Bill Williams,

996
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: the southern eritor Billboard and taught me more about how

997
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: the music business is stacked against you and anything. That's

998
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: where I learned about the music there. So you know, um,

999
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: Margie was working at Capitol Records. I was there and uh,

1000
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: and that that's you know, and then so we were

1001
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: we were kind of, you know, when we're getting along,

1002
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: and it was Jerry Jeff Walker came to town and

1003
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: a friend of mine was hosting him, who worked at

1004
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: ascap Of course, we went out to the bar that

1005
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: night and Jerry Jeff wound up at my house and uh,

1006
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: and it was not a very uh, it was a

1007
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: very good waking up call from my life at the time.

1008
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: And so we kind of knew we were kind of

1009
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: going in separate ways, and so I was trying to

1010
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: be nice. But at that time, everybody had a Mercedes

1011
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: in Nashville. I wanted to look good, so I bought

1012
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: a old Mercedes that we shared. So part of the

1013
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: deal was I said, you know, I'm I'll send you

1014
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: some half of whatever I make. Now we'll figure out.

1015
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: We had no kids, and she wanted to stay there.

1016
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: I was gonna go to Key West and try to

1017
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: find work, and uh, so I borrowed I said, kind

1018
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: of borrow the car for one more night and just

1019
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: before I leave down so I went out my friend

1020
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: Tod Andrews, who played in Mother Earth at that time,

1021
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: and as we were, I was kind of sneaking home

1022
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: to get out. I opened the door and a car

1023
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: came by and knocked the driver's side door off of

1024
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: the car. And I'm still kind of drunk from night before.

1025
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: I went out until we went somewhere, found duck tape

1026
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: and disc gleen and I taped it up and left

1027
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: the note there said I'm really sorry about this, but

1028
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: I'll send you some money when I gets to working.

1029
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: Us and I went to Fariva and then we eventually

1030
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: got a divorce, and uh, but we remained friends. Okay, back, Uh,

1031
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: So you get a record deal, and during act you

1032
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: have some success. You have Minimum Love that is a

1033
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: hit with a radio charting track with Geffen. You continue

1034
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: to put out solo record, You have some success us

1035
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: on the country chart. You know, at that point do

1036
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: you see yourself as an act? At that point do

1037
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: you see yourself as a side man? What's going through

1038
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: your head? Well, you know, I also married young and

1039
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: had and was having kids, and I tried to Uh, well,

1040
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: let's slow down a little bit. How old were you

1041
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: when you got married? I was I was two weeks

1042
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 1: from twenty one. I was I was short of twenty one. Okay,

1043
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: A couple of questions. How experienced in that realm were

1044
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: you when you got I was not very experienced in

1045
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: that realm. Uh, as evidenced by the fact that I

1046
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: got married two weeks from twenty one. But but how

1047
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: long did that last? That lasted twenty three years because

1048
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: we were both really stubborn. Uh. She's she's awesome, and

1049
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: were We still do family vacations together with the kids

1050
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: and everything. She's amazing. But uh okaykay wait, waitit, so

1051
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: did she get remarried? No? Did you get remarried? Both

1052
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: both have a significant other. But but everybody, everybody hangs out.

1053
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: We do family meals and birthdays and holidays and all that.

1054
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: And how many kids? I've got three daughters, And how

1055
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: old are they? Let's see, thirty eight, thirty three, and

1056
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: thirty Okay, are they on the family payroll or the independent? Uh?

1057
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: My youngest daughter is production assistant for FOR. I occasionally

1058
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: am in what I called the produce section as in

1059
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: Mr Buffet's records, to be a co producer for for

1060
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: for Jimmy's records. She but she you know, she works

1061
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: for several producers here in town. Busier than me, and

1062
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: she occasionally books her old man on a on a session.

1063
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: But uh, but I've got one that one in the business,

1064
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: and uh and and one at the moment, a journalist

1065
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: and a nurse. So I got all three gainfully employed daughters. Okay,

1066
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: so you were telling a story before I interrupt you

1067
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: toy to slow down, so you get married and you

1068
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: were talking yes, uh and I the nice thing about

1069
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: muscle shows is that you you know, you could play

1070
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: most everything that came to and still have time too

1071
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: to write songs for yourself and go out on the road.

1072
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: And it was the pace of that worked pretty well.

1073
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: But when when the kids started coming, uh, I kind

1074
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: of wanted to be homeboar, and so I kind of

1075
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: I stopped doing really much in the way of road.

1076
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: And I was always, I don't want to say, a

1077
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: reluctant performer because I like it, but uh but but

1078
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: I always I really liked the studio, I really like

1079
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: record and I like it writing and arranging, and I

1080
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: sort of felt more like that was my calling. And

1081
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: uh so I stayed home and watched the kids grow

1082
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: up and and made records less frequently, and and started

1083
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: writing songs for other people because my My contracts that

1084
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: I had signed were such that I was never gonna

1085
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: make enough money to pay the electric bill. Jimmy could

1086
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: he could elaborate on the No. Nobody taught me about contracts.

1087
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: I was. I signed one that's on the wall of

1088
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: a lot of lawyers, like watch out, or this can

1089
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: happen to you. It's got my name on it. But

1090
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: uh at any rate, uh Uh. Being home and watching

1091
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: the kids grow up, I started writing songs that other

1092
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: people began to record, and I had some hit records

1093
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: and and made a living kind of as a songwriter

1094
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 1: publisher and and sitting around and making records for people.

1095
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: A couple of my friends started saying, well, you help

1096
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: me produce this. We and I've been around studios so

1097
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: long at that point to be a relatively young guy. Uh.

1098
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: It turns out I knew most of the things that

1099
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: you needed to know to at least half as producer

1100
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: record and became kind of a record producer. And I

1101
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: didn't really do much traveling until Jimmy called, Okay, the

1102
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: songs that you wrote that were hits. Two questions, how

1103
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: did you get them to the artists? Indeed, deal own

1104
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: them out writers or a publisher involved. Early on, there

1105
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: was a publisher involved, and then and then later on

1106
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: it was my policing company. But uh, it uh oddly

1107
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: enough that the beginning of it came out of uh

1108
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: when I went out to meet with David Geffen, when

1109
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: I signed the deal with Geffen Records and he was

1110
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: just starting Geffen. He had, as a matter of fact,

1111
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: my contract. I was the first artist. I was before

1112
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: John Lennon or or Elton John or any of the

1113
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: folks that he signed there. My contract says too and

1114
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: as yet unnamed joint venture between Warner Brothers and David Geffen.

1115
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: He didn't know it was going to be Geffen Records yet.

1116
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: But uh, but I met with him at his house

1117
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: and he said, uh, something I'll never forget, actually, because

1118
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: nobody had ever said anything like this to me. He said,

1119
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: I think you are a real artist, and I would

1120
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: like to be an old fashioned patron of the arts.

1121
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: I would like to be associated with you, and whatever

1122
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: you do, I'll never tell you what to do. I'll

1123
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: never tell you how to do it. I just want

1124
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: to be connected to it. So you go home and

1125
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: do whatever you do. And nobody had ever said anything

1126
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: like that to me. At that time, I had people saying,

1127
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 1: we want you to be the next Jackson Brown, or

1128
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: we want you to be the next whatever. Uh, we'd

1129
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: like for you to dress this way and you know,

1130
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: and cut your hair this way, and uh, and I

1131
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: did not. You can, and jim You'll tell you this.

1132
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: You can ask me to do anything and I'll do it.

1133
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: You can tell me to do exactly the right thing,

1134
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,479
Speaker 1: and I'm probably not going to. I just don't take

1135
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: direct authority very well. Uh, But Geffen said, go do

1136
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: what you do, and and I went home and just

1137
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: had this burst of songwriting. And some of those songs

1138
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: were country songs, and I didn't have a country record deal,

1139
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: so I was playing on a lot of country records

1140
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: and and so by virtue of that, occasionally people say

1141
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: you have any songs? And sometimes people would just cut

1142
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: a song off one of my albums, which happened a

1143
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: few times. Jimmy did that with It's My Job. That

1144
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: was our first connection. But uh, but people, I had

1145
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: a couple of songs, and Alabama cut a song of

1146
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: mine called Old Flame and had a number one record.

1147
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: And then after after you have a number one record,

1148
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: other people say, what do you got and I would

1149
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: give them a song, and and I had some more

1150
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: number one records, and and all of a sudden that

1151
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: I was making actual money. You know that that was

1152
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, put me up legitimately into the middle class

1153
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: of muscle shows Alabama. And uh. And I could stay

1154
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: home and watch the kids. And and I also like

1155
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: it's sort of it was Pavlovian for me. And from

1156
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: that point forward, if I wrote something that sounded like

1157
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: a hit, I would rather give it to one of

1158
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: my friends that has a personal trainer and a bus

1159
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: or an airplane and some ambition that I don't have. Uh,

1160
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: And it works out better for everybody. I got to

1161
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: watch my kids grow up in a way that no

1162
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: really unemployed person gets to spend as much time with

1163
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: their kids as I did. You would have to be

1164
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: unemployed or or a trustafarian, you know, to be able

1165
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: to see your kids like I did growing up. So

1166
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: I was really blessed in that way. You have a

1167
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: country hit with back where I come from, and then

1168
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: ultimately Kenny Chesney covers it. How do you how do

1169
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: you have the solo record? Then how does he come

1170
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: to cover it? Uh? You know, the solo record was

1171
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: I was writing some songs and Jim Ed Norman at

1172
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Records. Uh, we got to be friends. And

1173
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: the bad record deal that I had signed got drug

1174
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: across several label deals. But it ended in a way

1175
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: that the guys that had signed me to this horrible

1176
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: record deal had had taken a budget from David Geffen

1177
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: to make an album and they blew it and then

1178
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: they filed bankruptcy. So I owed, I owed a record

1179
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: that I couldn't make, and and jim Ed Norman. I

1180
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: saw the bind that I was in. I couldn't finish

1181
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: my obligation to them to get out of this production

1182
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: deal that I had signed, and I owed David Geffen

1183
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: a record, and jim Ed Norman came to me and

1184
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: David Geffen to Geffor together and said, if I let

1185
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: Mac Mac make his pop album that he owes you,

1186
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: will you let me make a country out? Will you

1187
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: loan him to me like a cup of sugar and

1188
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: and let me make let me make a country album

1189
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: on him with these other songs he's got that we

1190
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: think our hits, and and Geffen's like, yeah, I always

1191
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: knew he listened to him talk. I always knew he's

1192
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's got this country thing. I mean, Geffen

1193
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: thought the Eagles were country anyway. Uh, But so so

1194
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: Jim ed let me make my last pop album my

1195
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: obligation to Geffen Records. He gave me the Wonder Brothers

1196
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: studio and my my just departed. Buddy and Alan Shulman

1197
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: and myself went in there and made that record. I

1198
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: played pretty much everything and Alan recorded it. And and

1199
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: at the same time we made the album Simple Life

1200
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: that had back where I come from and down the road,

1201
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: and that album was full of songs I honestly probably

1202
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: never intended to sing myself. But over the years, the

1203
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: the eleven songs on that album have been recorded like

1204
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: thirty nine times. I've had thirty nine cuts from that

1205
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: one album, uh, with various you know, some number one

1206
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: records and a bunch of album cuts. And and Kenny

1207
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: at that Kenny told me this. I didn't know it

1208
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: till later, but Kenny cut a record and Barry Beckett

1209
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: Fromussele Shuls was producing Kenny, and he gave him a

1210
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: copy of That Life, that Simple Life album of mind.

1211
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: And Kenny had to drive to Canada to play a

1212
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: gig and the only thing he had in his car

1213
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: was that that record, and he learned that album. He

1214
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: pretty much memorized it, and and he he recorded back

1215
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: Where I Come From that Barry Beckett produced it on him,

1216
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: and we became buddies after that, and and then from

1217
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: that we he and I did a duet of down

1218
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: the Road that was a number one record later on,

1219
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: like twenty years later. Uh. That that was also on

1220
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: that same album. And he's he's just been a great

1221
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: advocate of a couple of my best songs. And anybody

1222
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: that knows Kenny knows what a great guy is. So

1223
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: I've had between David Geffen and Jimmy Buffett and and

1224
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: Chesney as well, and and jim ed Norman and David Geffen,

1225
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: I've I've been I've been so shepherded. Uh, in the

1226
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: context of my total ineptitude about business, I've been very

1227
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: shepherded through the business. And I'm so grateful for that

1228
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: because there's not many other ways that I could possibly

1229
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: be here talking to you guys. Okay, So, Jimmy, how

1230
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: do you end up deciding you want Mac in the band? Um?

1231
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: I knew that day the the Jay and Howard played

1232
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:23,919
Speaker 1: me the record I got and they gave me the record.

1233
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: I went on and then I started going to two

1234
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: friends I knew and said connections I had in Nashville,

1235
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: and said, who is this where is this guy? You know?

1236
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: And and now now because I didn't really know because

1237
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: the time, it took a long time to get him

1238
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: to come to work for me, and I, you know,

1239
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: I had kind of sherry picked some people and we

1240
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,959
Speaker 1: we've done some band reconstruction and and the first person

1241
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: I really wanted in my band was Michael Uvely because

1242
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, he had worked for Jerry WEXLERND and I

1243
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: met him in Miami when he was part of the

1244
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: Dixie Flyers and and uh and he and he eventually

1245
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: he was working with Chris and Read at that time.

1246
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: And then uh, he came to work for me. So

1247
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: I had Utly in there. And I wanted him because

1248
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: he was such a solid person experience, like Max said,

1249
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: And I I didn't know then that Mac had been

1250
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: in the studio since he was fifteen. But I learned

1251
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: pretty quickly and and I we just you know, I

1252
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: got him on the phone, I got a number, and

1253
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: I said, you know, if you ever want to come play,

1254
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: and it was a while and he'd come out two

1255
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: shows occasionally to see us in the band. And and

1256
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: then you know, now I know that he wanted to

1257
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: stay at home with with with with his kids more

1258
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: than that, but he was, you know, and I couldn't

1259
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: quite understand why didn't work in the Croprim band go

1260
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: on the road. And now I know because he wanted

1261
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: to stay at home and raising his kids, you know,

1262
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: and me me having that nomad gene, you know, Uh,

1263
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: it bothered you. It gets in the way of some

1264
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: things at that time, like so um and we just

1265
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: I stayed in contact with him, but there was no

1266
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: pressure to do it, and I said, if you want,

1267
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, you know, come out and try it, if

1268
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: you want to do it, and then makes some extra money,

1269
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: and uh, we could really use you because I knew

1270
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: how good a songwriter he was and how the good

1271
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: of a range and just but I've also seen him

1272
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: do solo gigs. I go him to some of the

1273
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: solo gigs and he you know, that's one thing he

1274
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: as we all know, he's a very shy man. And uh,

1275
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: but he's probably one of the top solo performers I've

1276
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: ever seen take a stage and with an audience and

1277
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: know how to work an audience and has more ability

1278
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: on a guitar than I could ever possibly uh have.

1279
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: And I was in awe of his solo performances and

1280
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: I didn't want him to. I said, you know, you

1281
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: just go do that whatever, because you're good at it.

1282
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: And and uh, but if you want to come playing

1283
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: the band, we love to have. But I think that's

1284
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: the where it went. It is. And to how many

1285
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: years before? Did you ask before he became a permanent

1286
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: member of the band, I'd have to ask the uh,

1287
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: my wing man here, how how long you know it

1288
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: was at while there? But uh, but you know we

1289
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: did we did a little thing during the band transition.

1290
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: We did a thing together called the living Room Tour

1291
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: in nine nine and uh and and my last my

1292
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: my youngest daughter was born in eighty nine. And but

1293
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: we in the winter of eighty nine we went out

1294
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: and did you know, half dozen shows or what We

1295
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: rehearsed and did a half dozen shows there and just

1296
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: the two of us with living room furniture, and uh,

1297
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: you remember, Jimmy, we're following Hunter Thompson around. He used

1298
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: our set on a couple of those shows. Playing colleges

1299
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,799
Speaker 1: and theaters and uh, and that was just a blast.

1300
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: You know. I always knew, and I think Jimmy always

1301
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: knew we we were going to get along and that

1302
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: that we were going to be of used to one another.

1303
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: Me and because he has a zillion ideas and and

1304
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 1: he's got all this talent and all this inner g

1305
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: and and and I my nature is is I'm a

1306
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: little bit more of a finished carpenter. So so sometimes

1307
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: the idea is that that Jimmy has it are great

1308
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: and gets up and running, I can I can sit

1309
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: there and and spackle for a while and maybe put

1310
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: a little bit better shine at the end of him

1311
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 1: because I was there. So we provide a great service

1312
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: to one another, because he just generates all this energy

1313
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: and and and I'm kind of a one track mine.

1314
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: Who can you know, I'll sit there for the next

1315
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: two and a half months and and try to make

1316
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: it this much better or whatever. So we got a

1317
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: good team. And do you remember what year you became

1318
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: full time coral reefers? Uh? You know, we went out

1319
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: and did the live album Feeding Frenzy, and then I

1320
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 1: think it was ninety five was my first full time

1321
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: year and I don't know if you remember what you

1322
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 1: actually asked me, Jimmy, but you said, if you're ready

1323
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: to come out, and your kids can come out. My

1324
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: kids are gonna come out. I only want you to

1325
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: play two songs and the intermission of the show. That's

1326
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,560
Speaker 1: all I want. That's all you gotta do is just

1327
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: come out. We'll do two acoustics songs together in the

1328
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: middle of the show. And I don't believe I've been

1329
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: off stage since then, except the except the weekend I

1330
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: had the heart attack. Uh, had to cancel one. But

1331
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: I like to play. I would rather play than stand

1332
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: on the side of the stage and wait to play.

1333
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: But but he initially asked me just to play a

1334
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: couple of histic songs in the middle. UH, And I

1335
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: was and I was honored about that. But but I

1336
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: love to play, So I'm really happy to get And

1337
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: the Coral Reefer Band and and team and crew is

1338
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,839
Speaker 1: second family. They are my second family, and I wouldn't

1339
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: change the thing about any of them. So, Jimmy, what

1340
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: motivates you to go on the road, and obviously not

1341
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: during the COVID era. What keeps you going in that avenue? Um?

1342
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: I think Mom it's just that having been so lucky

1343
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: to have learned from people before and mistakes. It's like

1344
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: we're talking about about Geffen and uh, you know, I

1345
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: always bring my sea Geff and I bring Mac up

1346
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 1: to me. He smiled. He's still has a warm place

1347
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: in his heart. And I thought, I think it's pretty

1348
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: amazing that somebody is as successful as David has been.

1349
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: I saw that artist in Matt, you know that that's

1350
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: that says something about both of them to me, and

1351
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: knowing them both pretty well, I like the fact that

1352
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: how in the hell David, Geffen and mc mcilly get

1353
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: in a room again, that's pretty cool, so you know,

1354
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: and uh, it was it was just the as it

1355
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: as it went on, the fact that it was to

1356
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: me performers. If you're a performer and cam wright and

1357
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: sing that, that's okay. But learning to be a performer

1358
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: was what got me there. And two years of working

1359
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: on Bourbon Street. I couldn't have learned that in any

1360
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:54,560
Speaker 1: finishing school or music school ever, because I knew that,

1361
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, I had learned to to have to play

1362
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: when you don't want to play, and uh, and have

1363
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: to play things you don't want to really do because

1364
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: you want to do your own stuff. But if you

1365
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: do own stuff, they will fire you. So that that

1366
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: gauntlet of performing, that that I was lucky enough to

1367
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: get into an eye and I knew that if I

1368
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 1: could make my way up the ladder of success in

1369
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: that little locale and to the top club in New

1370
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: Orleans from from then you know, a hooting and United singer.

1371
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: You know, That's all I really wanted to do at

1372
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: that time, because I thought, well, that's pretty good and

1373
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: people have come here. You're making good money and people

1374
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: are coming and to see you. But that's what it

1375
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: is when you when you start performing. To me like that,

1376
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: you connect with an audience, uh, in a true and

1377
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: authentic way. It's not something that's that's put on television

1378
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: and you create something. Uh. I think that audiences can

1379
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: can can connect you know, as someone said, it goes

1380
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 1: in here as well as here, it goes heart as

1381
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: well as your years. And and I think that that's

1382
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: what keeps me out there is you have the success.

1383
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 1: You know, the part the part about the success I

1384
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: learned a Nationville from Bill Williams and others that the

1385
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 1: music business basically as such sacked against you, and you

1386
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: better hold onto as much of your own creative stuff

1387
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: as you can, and that that you know, that worked

1388
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: well for me and I never and then, you know,

1389
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: I didn't want to rent a piano from a promoter

1390
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: who charged me back for it. I bought one and

1391
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: put it in a bus and paid for it in

1392
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: in about two months and sold it to Billy Joel

1393
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,560
Speaker 1: for timing tim grant. He sold it back to me.

1394
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: It's in the studio Key West now, So you learn

1395
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: those things come along. But it's part of the fun

1396
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 1: of doing it to me, you know. And so there's

1397
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: some nights you have to play and you have to

1398
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: play hurt, but you don't ever ever show it. And

1399
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what real performers do. And it's still

1400
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: and in this day and time, we simply have nothing

1401
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: to prove out there anymore. So for me for a

1402
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: good time and having Mac and having only my friends,

1403
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: my my compadres, my wingman who I can take I

1404
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: can take orders from and and and will because I

1405
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: know they know more about certain aspects of this than

1406
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: I do. You know, I can, I can certain I

1407
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: can start some ship. Then they can make something out

1408
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: of it, you know, And uh, having that and the

1409
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: camaraderie of like Max said, the band is our second family.

1410
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 1: And uh now we have nothing to prove. So all

1411
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: I want to do is is make things that people

1412
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,799
Speaker 1: that really like what we do can add to their collection.

1413
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: You know, I've got I've got a segment of the

1414
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: following and called the Church of Buffet that doesn't think

1415
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: we did anything worth the ships. And since nineteen forty two,

1416
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean since nineteen seventy five or something, you know that,

1417
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: But the Church of Buffet they're still there for that.

1418
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: I love having that, you know, you don't you know

1419
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: they're they're still fans of certain things, and you know,

1420
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: but I think it's an artist you have to evolve,

1421
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: but you've got to try to say true to who

1422
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: you are. It's just simply tried to do that. And

1423
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,560
Speaker 1: I've been very lucky, and I've got people around me

1424
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 1: from you know, a lot of friends and band members,

1425
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: my my lovely wife Jane, who who keeps try us

1426
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: to keep a tight collar on me, but sometimes I

1427
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: can leggle loose. But all of that, all of that

1428
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: is part of this. And I don't see any you

1429
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: know anything. I can't wait to get back and I

1430
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: tell people, you know, there there will be an end

1431
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 1: to this at some point, you know. And I've been

1432
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: lucky enough to uh to have the success that I

1433
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: can take care of the people around me, my band

1434
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: and my crew and stuff. As we go through this

1435
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: and wiggle our way through. Where can we play? What's it?

1436
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: What's gonna be left for us to do until we

1437
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: can get back on that stage and do the show

1438
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: that people really like, you know, and so that that's

1439
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: what we're working on now. And just you know, and

1440
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, so you know, there's everbody's got ideas, and

1441
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to kind of think about doing

1442
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: shows without people, but you may have to do them.

1443
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: But I can remember with great audiences, and in behalf

1444
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: to I'll up there and do it to remember them.

1445
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: And I'll do a show for two people as well

1446
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: as twenty thou people. I'll give him the same show.

1447
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 1: So that's that's I gotta I gotta interject and brag

1448
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: on this guy a little bit. That's what he has

1449
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: from building that muscle, playing playing bar gigs, good and

1450
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: bad bar gigs. You you have to have both of

1451
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: those things. There's no treadmill that teaches that entertainers that

1452
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: you can't build that muscle any other way than by

1453
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: succeeding and failing on stage. And I will say about

1454
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 1: Jimmy because I'm a solo performer as as he was,

1455
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 1: to the fact, the fact that he cut his teeth

1456
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: in those small rooms making everybody feel like that they

1457
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 1: got something personal and unique in that room has has

1458
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: developed into him being able to sit there in front

1459
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: of thirty five thousand people and make them go home

1460
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 1: thinking they got a unique, individual, intimate performance. And and

1461
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: that's a trick. But I don't know anybody else that

1462
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 1: can do I don't know another magician that can make

1463
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: thirty five thou people feel like they just saw a

1464
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: small gathering, private concert that was just for them. And

1465
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: he can do that, and he can repeat it, he

1466
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: can and and he can do it on a good day,

1467
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: and he can do it on a bad day when

1468
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: he's when he's got a sore throat, doesn't It's it's

1469
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 1: no different. And yeah, I'm proud to know him because

1470
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,560
Speaker 1: of that, because I don't think anybody else in the

1471
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: business does that. Okay, So, Jimmy, how do you decide

1472
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: after seven years to make a new album? Well, it was.

1473
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: We had talked about it because there were some other

1474
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 1: busy things that I wanted to do. The Broadway thing

1475
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: was something that came to me with and my mother

1476
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: had taken me as a kid to see every road

1477
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: show of Broadway and she was she played any Name

1478
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: and uh and Mobile Theater Guil, she was Bloody Mary

1479
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: and South Pacific and I had to go see those

1480
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: shows and I really liked musical theater thanks to her.

1481
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 1: So off I go, and somebody tells you they want

1482
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 1: to take you to Broadway. I want hell, yeah, I'm

1483
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: gonna try that. You know. I knew what was up

1484
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: there too. It wasn't like this is gonna be ruffles

1485
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: and flourishes, because they were not to jukebox musicals was

1486
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: the term that was already being spread around. But I

1487
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: wanted to try it. And so that took about five

1488
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: years of a lot of work on getting the getting

1489
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: the writers to the show to get from yeah we're

1490
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: gonna do it, so yeah we got the money to

1491
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: yeah we got the cast, so oh we got to

1492
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: rewrite this. That was like five years of steady work

1493
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: as well as going out on the road. So you know,

1494
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: and most of my creative energies was going to that.

1495
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 1: So I didn't feel I had really good songs at

1496
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: that time, and I just didn't want to put out

1497
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: anything just to go fill the gap. Okay, before we

1498
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: move on, what did you learn from doing the Broadway

1499
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 1: show and what are your thoughts about it now? Well,

1500
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 1: I was very happy with it. I would uh when

1501
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: I do it again, Yeah, I probably would have somebody

1502
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: asked me to do it. Uh. But the thing of

1503
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 1: it was, again, it regardless of what you know, it was,

1504
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: it was a critic. It was not a critical because

1505
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: success in New York. But everybody, the politicicket of that

1506
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: show loved that show because it was happy and it

1507
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: was fun. And but I knew that going the end

1508
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: and we were gonna you know. But the thing of

1509
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 1: it was we we played for almost nine months on Broadway,

1510
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: and uh and when we came out we had two years.

1511
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: I knew we would work on the road, would work

1512
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: so and it was working very very well. Uh when

1513
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: when we had to shut it down Albuquerquin, New Mexico

1514
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: because of COVID. So um, and I still love the

1515
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: theater and I'm I'm invested in a couple of shows

1516
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: now and I still love. I love the fact of

1517
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: it is that there's so much talent and those kids

1518
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: that don't really make a lot of money, and the dedication. Uh.

1519
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: And it was my friend Frank Marshall, you know who's

1520
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: my partner, my long friend, movie producer. Yeah, he hired people.

1521
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: I could so many people whose careers he made. He

1522
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 1: went to New York to find actors, not movie stars.

1523
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 1: That's what he told me and so and then when

1524
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: we go through the process of auditioning, there's so much

1525
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: more talent there than I ever thought about having in

1526
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: my little finger. I just I'm an admiration of that.

1527
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: And I love those kids and how hard they were

1528
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: for so little Okay, so now once you pass that hump,

1529
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: you say it's time to make a new record. How

1530
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: does Paul Breedy become a part of this? Yeah? Uh,

1531
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: Paul Gray came came to us through Martin and Mark. Okay,

1532
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: I'll start from the beginning. Jimmy, is there anybody you

1533
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 1: don't know? Let's see, I want to know, not really know. Okay,

1534
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: So how do you know Martin Boffler? I I know him,

1535
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: know him from the fact that I was a huge,

1536
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: huge fan and at one point time he had passed through.

1537
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: We we did the Volcano album in George Martin studio

1538
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: in Montserrat, and we were the only American band to

1539
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: ever go down there. But mccargan did an album there,

1540
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 1: Clapton did an album there, and and our strikes my

1541
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,839
Speaker 1: brothers in arms when we met there somewhere in an occasion.

1542
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,919
Speaker 1: And then he was using musicians and his bands from Nashville,

1543
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: great players that we all know that our friends and Max,

1544
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: and he's a great admirer of Max too. So uh,

1545
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 1: I think we met the first time through chet Atkins,

1546
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: who I knew pretty well in those days, and and

1547
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: we just became friends and state in touch with each other.

1548
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: And so when when we started to go over to

1549
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, we every year, we almost ten years, we

1550
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: played Paris every year and just for the fun out

1551
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: it and and but the shows became like things people

1552
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: had to have other bucket list. So we know, hadn't

1553
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: played England in a while, so we went to London

1554
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: and we hadn't played Dublin, and I wanted to play

1555
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: because the Irish would come to to the shows in

1556
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: Paris and hang banners over the balcony going and they

1557
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: sit there in the middle of Finns when everybody's going

1558
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 1: completely crazy and like this, and with a sign on

1559
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 1: a flight said, the Irish are patiently waiting. And they

1560
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: got to me and I went, I'm coming. So we went.

1561
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 1: So where we went, Um, you had to have an

1562
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: opening act and so and I knew that like going

1563
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: to Australia or New Zealand, you take local acts on

1564
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: there and it's a great thing, you know, for people

1565
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: to support their local talents. And so I didn't know

1566
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: whether they needed one or not in Dublin. So I

1567
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 1: just was in touch with I was talking to Mark

1568
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: about something else, and you know, we worked at his

1569
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 1: studio over there and stayed in touch. And I said,

1570
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, you know my band and you know me

1571
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:54,600
Speaker 1: and you know what we do. And I said, we

1572
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,719
Speaker 1: had to have an opening act, Uh to go to Dublin.

1573
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: Before I finished the sentence, he said, Paul eighty. Now

1574
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 1: I've heard about Paul Brady from Bonnie Ray and they

1575
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 1: wrote some things together and then he was he was

1576
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: in Nashville. Uh, who does he stay with? Mack? Uh?

1577
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: He stays with Jerry Douglas somebody Jr. Bara Douglas is

1578
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: a good buddy, so I knew a little about him,

1579
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,560
Speaker 1: but I didn't know the depth of his material. So

1580
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: I started getting it. I went up on Spotify and

1581
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 1: I got a Paul Brady Settlers and by this time,

1582
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm now in California, kind of running around and driving

1583
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,560
Speaker 1: back and forth listening to and I went this, I

1584
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 1: felt the same way everybody when I heard Paul Brady

1585
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 1: song where I did when I heard uh Mac's first album.

1586
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: And I said, I gotta get in touch with him.

1587
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: And then uh Mark gave me his number and I

1588
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 1: called him and I said, you know, Martin Novel gave

1589
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: you your number and I said, he said, oh yeah,

1590
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: I know, as I just got back from New Zealand,

1591
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, we're coming to Dublin. We're

1592
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: playing one night at at the Olympia in uh I Love.

1593
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: We need an opening act and I would just luck

1594
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 1: for you to open for us there. And I heard

1595
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 1: him laughing on the phone. And this is the first

1596
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: time I ever spoken to him. We did shange email

1597
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: and he said, well, you know, Jilly, uh last time

1598
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: I Plater did ten nights there. Oh you don't open

1599
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going, you know, and he just laughed.

1600
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 1: He said, but maybe I could do a joke up

1601
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: on that, you know. And then by that time I

1602
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 1: heard the songs and there's incredible, unbelievable, unbelievable material. And

1603
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: then so he we did. We went over and he

1604
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: opened for us, He came, he did a couple of

1605
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: songs in the show, and uh, and then I was

1606
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 1: just then at that point and knew about the material,

1607
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: and I said, up, it inspired me to go back

1608
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: to start writing stuff again. I had a lot of

1609
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: stuff there that I thought was pretty good stuff. But

1610
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: listening to him and going back and listening to a

1611
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: couple of us earlier um uh uh Mac albums and

1612
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: earlier novel albums and earlier Gordon life. But I went

1613
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:07,719
Speaker 1: back and listen to those guys that I really wanted

1614
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 1: to be like a write like, a play like and

1615
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: it got me going again. And so I started churning

1616
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 1: out some some pretty good stuff for this and as

1617
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 1: as well as and then Paul sent me a song

1618
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: called out the Lotty Donard w wasn't finished and uh,

1619
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 1: we finished it together. So it is now like you know,

1620
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: it's one of those people you meet once and you

1621
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,560
Speaker 1: know them for fifty years. Well, you know, I know

1622
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: him an email and he sent me the world is

1623
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,839
Speaker 1: what you make it. And I was on my computer

1624
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: and on a different screen I had to and I said, wait, wait,

1625
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: what's going on here? Really cracked me up? Well, that

1626
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: that song was that song got to me. You know,

1627
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 1: that is a great I mean to me, what I

1628
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 1: like in a song. It's a very very strong point

1629
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: of thing to say, but it is it is. It

1630
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: is uh is presented and in a fashion and it's

1631
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,600
Speaker 1: a great song and you're gonna wind up listening to

1632
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 1: it and later on going man that there's a lot

1633
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: of me that there are a lot of media that though,

1634
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, which is that? To me is what Bob

1635
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 1: Marley is so great. He was a political force, but

1636
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: he gave it to you in the really wonderful songs

1637
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 1: that had you know, people singing before they knew what

1638
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: he was talking about. And I think Paul writes the

1639
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: same way. Okay, so Mike and Mac produced the record.

1640
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Were you really hands off? What

1641
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 1: was the process there? I know what I know what

1642
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: I do best, and I know what they do best,

1643
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, And as producers we've done this for a

1644
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 1: long time, and you know, it's it's to us, it's

1645
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: an extension of writing a settlers for a show. Now

1646
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 1: it's you've got to have a certain amount of energy

1647
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 1: and for a certain amount of recognition and a show.

1648
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 1: And so I looked at, you know, getting a song

1649
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: one together because I wanted it to be a project

1650
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: and and uh, the the original title was gonna be

1651
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: slack Tied because I've written the song slack Tied and uh,

1652
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: and then you know, we wound up another title. But

1653
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: we started writing together and Paul was in the mix,

1654
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:12,440
Speaker 1: and it just kind of felt really good the preparation

1655
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 1: and now but you know, and this is before coded time,

1656
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: and but we were all exchanging kind of ideas and

1657
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: songs were coming together. So I put together what I

1658
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: thought were the best songs to do going to the

1659
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: studio in the fourteen or sixteen tracks, and we hadn't

1660
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,879
Speaker 1: been a studio with our band and their people. Everybody.

1661
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,640
Speaker 1: This band can play way above what is required for

1662
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett songs, and I, you know, I dine out

1663
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: on that because you get them in the studio and

1664
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: they can really shine, but they stay they stay true

1665
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: to you know what people like to hear us play,

1666
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,600
Speaker 1: and it's just a great experience to go into the

1667
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: studio with these musicians you've been with us for you know,

1668
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: from Robert Greenwich to Eric Darthan and mac Ugly to

1669
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 1: the Mayo Brothers. I mean, it's an amazing lucky guy.

1670
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 1: I am that you're standing in front of that band.

1671
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: But everybody was really in the same mood to go

1672
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 1: in and do this, and we cut how many sixteen

1673
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: tracks in four days? I think, yep, ye, you're behind

1674
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 1: the board. What are you doing as a producer on Jimmy?

1675
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 1: I'm not behind the board. I'm sitting on a guitar.

1676
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 1: You don't you don't want me. There's there's no empty

1677
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: hands in the studio. Everybody's playing something. So what is

1678
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: your role other than playing on Jimmy's record. Well, because

1679
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 1: we're writers and we like from from the from the

1680
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 1: German nation of these songs, Jimmy and I and and

1681
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: Utly are sending, we're sending things around. There's you know,

1682
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: they're parcel songs are going for for a while, you know,

1683
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 1: as they're being written, and some of them weren't written

1684
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:56,640
Speaker 1: until we didn't weren't finished until in the studio too.

1685
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 1: But the the love jury of of being a Coral

1686
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 1: Reefer is the fact that that band can go in

1687
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 1: and create and listen and play at the same time.

1688
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 1: And we we we were confident going in that we

1689
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: had we had the great the shell of a really

1690
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: good album. You know, we had we had the cornerstone

1691
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: songs that the you know and and I think you

1692
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 1: know we Jimmy, because of the nature of the business

1693
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: the last few years, there was a couple of times

1694
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: he said, I don't know if people are even gonna

1695
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: make albums anymore, and I go, you, you got fans

1696
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: that want them. I still, you know, I grew up

1697
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: listening to albums sitting in the middle of a sofa

1698
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: holding an album cover, double folded out. And I don't

1699
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: multitask if I'm listening to music. I'm listening to music.

1700
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sweeping the floor and listening to music. I

1701
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 1: listened to an album, and I still want that, even

1702
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: though I know there's a whole generation that maybe has

1703
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: never even done it. I still want it to be

1704
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 1: an album. I want there to be a thread. And

1705
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,679
Speaker 1: we have that in common, he and I and ugly

1706
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: the same way. So we were we were conscious about

1707
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: that in product from the very beginning, and to have

1708
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,560
Speaker 1: it all come together kind of in a hurry, you

1709
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: still get that rush of energy. There's there's still a

1710
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: couple of brand new songs, and then there's some things

1711
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: that we've been looking forward to cutting for four or

1712
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 1: five months because we've been working and polishing, so so

1713
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: you you get different levels of gratification from that, the

1714
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: cornerstone pieces and the brand new pieces that like, you know,

1715
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 1: slack Tide wasn't actually finished until the very last day,

1716
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: so and and that was the album title, and it

1717
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 1: just kept getting better and kept getting better until until

1718
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: I get chill bumps thinking about the actual track going

1719
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 1: down right now, just telling you guys about it. Uh

1720
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:45,719
Speaker 1: And and Jimmy was there. There's there's some chill bumps

1721
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 1: on that, you know, and coming from the whole band.

1722
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: And and the fact that it was it was hypothetical

1723
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 1: until it was magical, and and the fact that we

1724
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 1: got to experience that, and you know in a little

1725
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: concrete block building and Key West, I will not ever forget.

1726
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: So you know, me being in what I call the

1727
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,599
Speaker 1: produce section is mainly me just having a whole bunch

1728
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 1: of joy at being in the proximity of well made

1729
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 1: music played by phenomenal musicians. Well, I gotta tell you

1730
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: about when you get out of the studio, you just

1731
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: you hand something over there. It's life, he said, He's

1732
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 1: the he's the Finnish guy, you know. And somebody's got

1733
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,679
Speaker 1: to do the vocal comps, somebody's got to do the mastering.

1734
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 1: Somebody do that. I just I put it in their

1735
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 1: hands and they called me if they need anything, because

1736
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 1: I trust them they know what to do with with that. Because,

1737
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 1: as as Max said, you make magic in in a

1738
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 1: studio like that, and we're not the only ones that

1739
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 1: do it, but that's there's something about camaraderie and music

1740
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 1: together that you can if you can do that once

1741
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 1: or twice in your life. And I've been lucky enough,

1742
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: I think they do it four or five times on

1743
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 1: records that were truly magical. And this one album well,

1744
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 1: and and there's there's a really almost a generation of

1745
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 1: artists who who don't have that as part of their experience,

1746
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: sitting in a room full of phenomenal musicians playing and

1747
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: listening at the same time. That doesn't happen as much

1748
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 1: as it used to happen. Well, I don't want to

1749
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 1: say that. I mean, really that's almost almost like a

1750
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 1: lost art. Anyway, simultaneously you're working on and you put

1751
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 1: out an album just very recently. How long have you

1752
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 1: been working on that and what were your thoughts? Well,

1753
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: my records traditionally are are kind of spackled into a

1754
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 1: schedule of other things that I'm doing. Uh, And it's

1755
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,600
Speaker 1: just just as well for me, because I considered a

1756
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: luxury that I don't make a record based on having

1757
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 1: a tour that I have to support, or a record

1758
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: deal deadline that I have to make, or or you know,

1759
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: as as Jimmy does, which I'm grateful that he does,

1760
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: a pile of employees that you have to make viable

1761
01:32:56,360 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 1: business wise. I only make a record when I when

1762
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: I think maybe I've collected enough things that I have

1763
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: something to say, and and that usually takes three or

1764
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 1: four years of life for me to cook down into

1765
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 1: a reduction sauce of thirty forty minutes of music. That's

1766
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: the way it historically has worked for me. That Uh,

1767
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 1: this particular record is uh. We we started cutting tracks

1768
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 1: I think June of last year, and of the twelve songs,

1769
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 1: I think nine are are just myself and Eric Darkin,

1770
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,719
Speaker 1: who's our percussionist in the Coral Reefer Band. My show,

1771
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: my life show these days is just the two of us.

1772
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 1: I'll do half an hour by myself and then bring

1773
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 1: Eric up and and we you know, we we make

1774
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 1: a fair amount of noise for two guys. It's sort

1775
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 1: of impressive what we're able to do from a stage.

1776
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: But but the record itself, at the core is the

1777
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:48,599
Speaker 1: two of us. He added some percussion that's more than

1778
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: he can play at once, and I might play a

1779
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: bass in another couple of guitars and and and some

1780
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: harmony vocals, but it's really the core of it is

1781
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:57,600
Speaker 1: just the two of us. There's one track that's the

1782
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 1: whole Coral Reefer band, and and one acts an old demo,

1783
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 1: But but in general it's it's it's us and and

1784
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: the pandemic. As bad as it is for for on

1785
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:13,800
Speaker 1: so many levels, it actually afforded me the opportunity to

1786
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: to finish this one out in the same way that

1787
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 1: I finished Jimmy's Out. Sometimes sometimes I hurry mine, but

1788
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 1: this one because because I was sitting around here at

1789
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: the house. I got to I got to a stay

1790
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: true to my original perception that it be primarily simple

1791
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 1: just myself and Eric and be. I got to I

1792
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,640
Speaker 1: got to really you know, I had to sing some

1793
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 1: high harmonies that God never intended me to sing, uh,

1794
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: because I'm the only guy in the damn house, and

1795
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: I and I got to play some bass that I

1796
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 1: should probably shouldn't have played. But but on the other hand,

1797
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 1: it is it is me and probably closer to my

1798
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 1: total vision of the of these songs than I usually

1799
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: get to do on a record. I was I was

1800
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 1: afforded some time that that I don't always have. So

1801
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good about this record being similar to

1802
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: what it was in my head when the songs were born. Now,

1803
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 1: what are your expectations in terms of reaching audience? You know,

1804
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 1: for me, Bob, from the beginning, I just wanted out

1805
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: of my head into some other storage medium. You know,

1806
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm thank God for binary code because I got terrible handwriting.

1807
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: I never wrote songs down in the beginning. I just

1808
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 1: figured if I couldn't remember them, I didn't have the

1809
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: right to inflict them on any any of the public.

1810
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm I'm in my sixties. I'm not

1811
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna buy a tour or or get

1812
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 1: a personal trainer or or a tour bus or but

1813
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play shows. I've got some folks who who

1814
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 1: like what I do, and I can you know, it's

1815
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 1: It's not an enormous group of folks, but it's enough

1816
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 1: folks that I can make a living just doing that.

1817
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,640
Speaker 1: If if that's but I don't want to do just that.

1818
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to just be a mac artist. I

1819
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 1: want to be a coral reefer. And I want to

1820
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: play on George Strait albums and kenn each As the albums.

1821
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:04,600
Speaker 1: I want to strump beside my buddies. So my particular

1822
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 1: life works so that I could do those things at

1823
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: that level, and I can play awesome little listening rooms

1824
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 1: and small theaters and and get whatever self aggrandizement that

1825
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 1: comes from being in the middle of the stage and

1826
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:18,719
Speaker 1: having somebody overly brag on me every once in a while.

1827
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 1: That's that's cool. But I don't I don't anticipate a

1828
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: mass audience or I don't pine for one. I'm really

1829
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 1: grateful for folks that connect and that my songs mean

1830
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 1: something too, and I'm super grateful that that I can

1831
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 1: be the rhythm guitarists in the Coral Reefer band and

1832
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 1: and and play on other folks records as well, and

1833
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: still write a song for somebody and every once in

1834
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:45,639
Speaker 1: a while, Like I said, I have the ideal life

1835
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 1: for the way that I'm built. Okay, just one question

1836
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 1: relative to that. Once you get it out of your head,

1837
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: you put it on the record, you ever listen to

1838
01:36:53,120 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 1: it again? Uh? If I gotta relearn it, like about

1839
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 1: to have to learn how to play some of this

1840
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 1: tough live, I gotta go listen to it again. What

1841
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 1: it's What the hill did I do sitting up there?

1842
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,880
Speaker 1: Or why did I? Why did I sing that? Now

1843
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 1: that I gotta go out and do it on the road,

1844
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing here too. But I'm I'm learning

1845
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:18,640
Speaker 1: these songs very well, the ones that I wasn't that

1846
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 1: familiar with. I mean, if I got to do cussing Island,

1847
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 1: I gotta go and learn it again, you know. But

1848
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 1: that's a big mouthful. But you're gonna do it. We're

1849
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 1: gonna make you do it. But I gave the Mac

1850
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 1: album and listen, I took it out of the boat

1851
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 1: with my with some man and my daughter and her husband, Josh,

1852
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: and we gave him. We gave it worked very well

1853
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 1: on the boat. But I just I love the fact

1854
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 1: that I knew there was just the two of them,

1855
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 1: but it sounded that's what my kids are going. Boy,

1856
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 1: is that the band I went on one cut and

1857
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: you know the best of what Matt can really do.

1858
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 1: But you know, as the as the owner of mail

1859
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 1: Bowl Records, I'm glad that I'm in the same category

1860
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 1: as Dave Deaf that I let this man be an

1861
01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: artist and didn't put any you know, do it when

1862
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 1: you turn it in, when you're finished, okay, flipping it

1863
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 1: over to you, Jimmy. Uh, the bit you may or

1864
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 1: may not have changed, sort of like the Joe Walsh's

1865
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 1: song Life is Good, but the scene is completely changed.

1866
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: The records in the Spotify Top fifty have never been

1867
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: so small and cultural impact, not like when the sixties

1868
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 1: said that you had to hit. Everybody knew it, so

1869
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 1: you said earlier, you have a good opinion on it.

1870
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 1: You're making this for your audience. But to what degree

1871
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 1: do you pine, if at all, for a larger impact,

1872
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:36,640
Speaker 1: which is difficult for anybody, Never mind people irrelevant of

1873
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 1: the quality of the record, you know. You know, like

1874
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:43,640
Speaker 1: I said, I'm seventy three now, and and I've been

1875
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 1: a lucky, lucky boy from from those early days, you know.

1876
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: And and uh again, it's like, there's not really much

1877
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 1: out there that I haven't done that I want to do.

1878
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 1: I want to go to space, that's the one thing

1879
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: I would like to do that. And I did you

1880
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 1: sign up for Virgin Galactic? I did? And uh and

1881
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: uh I've actually played a show for it, and uh,

1882
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 1: I had a deal with Richard Bramson and I got

1883
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 1: But anyway, but Johnny Glenn Win he was he was

1884
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: seventy seven and I'm seventy through. So I'm you know,

1885
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 1: that's that's like one thing. But as far as and

1886
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, the way the business thing is is gone

1887
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 1: and stuff that was just a byproduct of a brand

1888
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 1: that was basically authentic in the beginning. And you know,

1889
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 1: you see so many other people trying to create something

1890
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:37,880
Speaker 1: that's authentic. It doesn't happen that way. It's got to

1891
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 1: be authentic, you know, and and and so um, you know,

1892
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 1: there's not that much left to do. I'll tell you

1893
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,560
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about, right now is because of the

1894
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 1: roadblocks against that that have been put up by the

1895
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:56,679
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. The world that we live in, of music

1896
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: getting out there, of love music being played by bands

1897
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 1: and and clubs, you know, and I understand why you

1898
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 1: can't do it, but I'm also looking at how can

1899
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 1: you do it safely and reach your audience? And so

1900
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 1: I leaned back to for whatever reason, I'm the reason

1901
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 1: I started radio. Margaint read bills because it can never

1902
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 1: get on the radio. And I came back from Australia

1903
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:22,839
Speaker 1: where I heard, you know, there were twelve radio stations

1904
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 1: in Australia in those days, but they programmed for what

1905
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:29,600
Speaker 1: what the hours people were listening And I got that

1906
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: idea in my mind. And when when the Internet came

1907
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 1: out and I started seeing it radio stations, I went,

1908
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:37,160
Speaker 1: We're just gonna do one of our own up there

1909
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:39,360
Speaker 1: and find find out if anybody wants to listen, and

1910
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 1: they do, so, you know, with with that and with

1911
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 1: Margaint Red build TV. Right now, we're basically supplying those

1912
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 1: two entities we started fifteen twenty years ago with products

1913
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 1: like Max album comes out on that and then you know,

1914
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 1: we've got we've got we do wednesdayson Saturday nights and

1915
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:00,639
Speaker 1: replaying shows so our au and so I know we're

1916
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 1: still out there. So my job right now is to

1917
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 1: stay in touch with the loyal parent head audience. And

1918
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 1: I get sneaky, got sneaky things that I can go

1919
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 1: out and do, like uh, you know other people are

1920
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 1: you get on other people's tracks. And it didn't hurt

1921
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 1: that Alan Jackson asked me to come come played all

1922
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:24,080
Speaker 1: five o'clock somewhere and and there's something else coming out

1923
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 1: now that you get people that are doing duets and

1924
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:30,560
Speaker 1: being honored by other people. That's enough to kind of

1925
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:34,560
Speaker 1: stay uh, to stay current, you know, and and not

1926
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: have just your audience to be people your age. And

1927
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 1: I think we we have gone generational by just being

1928
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 1: who we are and people being able to play their

1929
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 1: music for their kids. And we're like four fits generation

1930
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 1: and we see it in the shows when we go

1931
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 1: out there, and so I'm just gonna still keep doing

1932
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 1: that in the limited way that we have we are

1933
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 1: able to do it now waiting for that day. I mean,

1934
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,639
Speaker 1: I'm not going back until people going to parking lot

1935
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:03,640
Speaker 1: and tail game, because that's part of the show. I mean,

1936
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 1: un two of you do that, it's a half as

1937
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,639
Speaker 1: show as far as I concerned, because people aren't getting

1938
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 1: the bank or the buck that they want. And when

1939
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 1: it's safe to do that and we can do it,

1940
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, we'll go back and do big shows. In

1941
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 1: the meantime, Like Max said, you know, we both have

1942
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 1: avitability to play solo or with smaller bands. You know,

1943
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 1: I'm looking at that very very closely because I love

1944
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: to do it, and because that's all you can do now.

1945
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 1: And if you don't have an audience, we better in

1946
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 1: a club then you got one up online. So I'm

1947
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:36,440
Speaker 1: looking at being able to utilize what's what it's available

1948
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 1: to us now in order to get back to where

1949
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 1: until we can get back to where we want to be,

1950
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 1: this question go on, mac I was just gonna interject though,

1951
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 1: that in in the context of of whether you want

1952
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 1: a larger audience or not. He did. He did just

1953
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:53,920
Speaker 1: have the number one country album with Life on the

1954
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 1: Flip Side, and the number two pop album behind Lady Gaga.

1955
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:01,400
Speaker 1: Who's who's not you know, you know she she's no slout,

1956
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:06,000
Speaker 1: She's amazing. But uh, but the folks, at the point

1957
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 1: Jimmy is in his career that are that are having

1958
01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:12,040
Speaker 1: number two pop albums and number one country albums. Uh

1959
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,280
Speaker 1: are are rare. I'll be surprised if too many, too

1960
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: many folks get to match that. Okay, uh both of

1961
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 1: you grew up in the South, and needless to say,

1962
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:24,600
Speaker 1: from when you were little children is not today. But

1963
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:28,200
Speaker 1: what does the rest of the country not understand about

1964
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:34,599
Speaker 1: the South? WHOA, that's you got about eight hours. I'll

1965
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:37,519
Speaker 1: tell you the one thing they don't understand that there's

1966
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 1: more Souths than you can possibly imagine. It's not one place.

1967
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 1: And as a traveling musician, I know Matt knows that,

1968
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 1: and I know that, and that would be the one

1969
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 1: thing about it is like you know, living in the

1970
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 1: Northeast as long as I have, you know, New York

1971
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 1: is not New York. New York is boroughs and neighborhoods.

1972
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:02,360
Speaker 1: So they people tend to think of the South as

1973
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 1: a place. And you know, and if you go back

1974
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 1: to the Civil rights movement started in the South, you know,

1975
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:12,800
Speaker 1: out of brave people like mar lud King and John

1976
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:16,599
Speaker 1: Lewis and and you know, and John Siginfaller a good

1977
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 1: friend of ours. And I admire those people because I

1978
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 1: was I was brought up by my parents, not to

1979
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 1: heke and what Mac, Do you have anything to add

1980
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:31,679
Speaker 1: to that about people not knowing about the South, Well,

1981
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, through through the things that

1982
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:39,759
Speaker 1: we've done poorly and the things that we've done correctly

1983
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:43,599
Speaker 1: over the years and learned hopefully from mistakes, uh, slower

1984
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 1: than we should have learned. The one thing that that

1985
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:51,520
Speaker 1: comes out of here is because the South as segregated

1986
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 1: as schools where the South has been generally rural and

1987
01:44:55,200 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 1: and not necessarily affluent. I believe that that people from

1988
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,480
Speaker 1: the South have a sense of community that's not necessarily

1989
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 1: all over the world. I think it's spread. That part

1990
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 1: spreads well that what's Jimmy's talking about their South in

1991
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 1: the rest of the world, those folks that have gone

1992
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 1: out have have represented the best of what the South

1993
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 1: has in a good way, whether it be literature arts.

1994
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 1: I joke about spare time being the major export of Mississippi. Uh,

1995
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:25,640
Speaker 1: but uh, it kinda is. But but you look at

1996
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 1: what's come from that. Uh. And And as you said, Jimmy,

1997
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,599
Speaker 1: I I although Mississippi doesn't have a great total track

1998
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:35,719
Speaker 1: record in regard to civil rights, a lot of civil

1999
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 1: rights was born out of it. In my particular family,

2000
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 1: we're just so wonderful, and in saying that we were,

2001
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, nobody's better than anybody else. We all need

2002
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:48,280
Speaker 1: one another, we all have a use for one another,

2003
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:50,560
Speaker 1: and we all have an obligation to one another to

2004
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:53,200
Speaker 1: make everything work. And you can see that in a

2005
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 1: small town, in a small community in a way, sometimes

2006
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 1: it might not be so obvious in a in a

2007
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 1: pile of millions of people. You know, if you if

2008
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,880
Speaker 1: you're sitting in New York City, which I love New

2009
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 1: York City, but if you walk out the door and

2010
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 1: you decide you're gonna punch out the first person that

2011
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 1: comes down the street, there may literally be no repercussion

2012
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 1: from that. But if you go out the door in

2013
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 1: a small town and you punch the first person, not

2014
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:16,960
Speaker 1: only do you know that person and you know their

2015
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:19,800
Speaker 1: family and your family and how those two family intersects.

2016
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 1: You see the effects of your accents. You see the

2017
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 1: effects of what you do, and you see how it's

2018
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:28,720
Speaker 1: better to get along than to not get along. Even

2019
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:30,439
Speaker 1: if there's some of those folks as you don't care for,

2020
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 1: it's better to get along than not get along. And

2021
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 1: that that as just a singular, abiding message would would

2022
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:40,559
Speaker 1: benefit the world a lot right now, If every if

2023
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:42,400
Speaker 1: everybody took a little bit more of a grip of that,

2024
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,759
Speaker 1: I think it'd be we'd be better off than we are. Okay,

2025
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 1: needless to say, we have a very fractured country. And

2026
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:56,920
Speaker 1: uh so, Jimmy, hey, do you believe music has a

2027
01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:01,639
Speaker 1: part in this forthcoming election and bringing our country together?

2028
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:06,400
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to be all kumbaya, but nettles

2029
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 1: to say we grew up. We could we could point

2030
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 1: out that people are on the other team now, they're

2031
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:13,720
Speaker 1: music fans that are both on both sides of the fence. One,

2032
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:17,080
Speaker 1: to what degree do you feel an obligation to go

2033
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 1: on the record? Do you feel it works? To what

2034
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:23,719
Speaker 1: degree you inhibited? Because obviously your entire audience doesn't feel

2035
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 1: the same way. Yeah, you know, I've always been uh

2036
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 1: you know, my politics. I've never taken on the stage

2037
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 1: because I believe that there's a place oasis is are

2038
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 1: there for reasons people to rest and uh and I

2039
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 1: believe that that's what we are. And everybody tends to

2040
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 1: go into the political world of it, but uh, music

2041
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 1: is is the universal language. I've I've I've lived it,

2042
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,760
Speaker 1: I've experienced it. I've going around the world, uh and

2043
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:57,280
Speaker 1: play places where I can sing in other languages and

2044
01:47:57,360 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 1: where I can or I can I can listen to

2045
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 1: songs that I don't know what they're saying, but I

2046
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 1: love what it's the way it's making me feel. And uh,

2047
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:07,639
Speaker 1: you know, it's to a degree. You know, I think

2048
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 1: there's been a little too many celebrities getting into the

2049
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:13,280
Speaker 1: political world. And then you know, in the beginning it

2050
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 1: was pretty interesting. And and of course politicians want your

2051
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:20,840
Speaker 1: audiences because they think they're there's uh and I've done

2052
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 1: that and uh, you know, but my polife were like

2053
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:25,680
Speaker 1: I said, I was raised not to hate in the

2054
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 1: South by my my mother and uh and and friends

2055
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:32,640
Speaker 1: around her. She worked in labor relations in a shipyard

2056
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:36,840
Speaker 1: to was segregated. So I came up that way, and uh,

2057
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay that way. And yeah, I'm gonna go.

2058
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do work I always have in the past.

2059
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 1: But you know, if you don't like it, I don't

2060
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 1: see how I'd like to see less equating politics with music. Uh.

2061
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 1: You know that sounds weird because protests songs have gone

2062
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 1: out there, but and done, done good. But in this climate,

2063
01:48:57,479 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, there's has to be some agreement on something

2064
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 1: which there's a very little degree on. But I think

2065
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:08,479
Speaker 1: people can agree on bands and probably their favorite baseball, football,

2066
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:11,160
Speaker 1: or basketball team. And if that's what we got, that's

2067
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:15,520
Speaker 1: our job right now. Well, gentlemen, this has been wonderful.

2068
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:19,240
Speaker 1: We've explored stuff that certainly I wasn't aware of, and

2069
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:21,920
Speaker 1: I really thank you for taking time out of your

2070
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 1: day to appear and tell us your stories. Well, yeah,

2071
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:31,519
Speaker 1: thank you for being Bob Lester's absolutely and I also

2072
01:49:31,640 --> 01:49:34,160
Speaker 1: want to want to thank you, Bob for for for

2073
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 1: the the letter last week, the kind words and uh,

2074
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:41,840
Speaker 1: because as you know at this point you you're bound

2075
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 1: to know how terrible of a self promotor I am.

2076
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 1: So the fact that you're helping is much appreciated from

2077
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:50,479
Speaker 1: the mcinally daughters for sure and myself as well. That's uh,

2078
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 1: it comes straight from the heart. I mean, it's you

2079
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:55,280
Speaker 1: look for things to connect with, you know. It's kind

2080
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:57,880
Speaker 1: of like people say, kids today have a really short

2081
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 1: attention spin no, they just have an incredibly good ship detector.

2082
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 1: They go no, no, no, and if they find something

2083
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 1: they like, like a series, I'll watch all day I

2084
01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:13,200
Speaker 1: am looking for those tracks, and when I find a track,

2085
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 1: I will literally play it out infinitum. I made a

2086
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 1: Spotify playlist of those three tracks. When Hiking in the

2087
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 1: Mountains played only those three tracks. They set a mood.

2088
01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:25,720
Speaker 1: I will play them into the ground. You'll get a

2089
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:30,000
Speaker 1: few thousands of a penny from Spotify for me, but

2090
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:35,559
Speaker 1: it's certainly hit me emotionally. Well. That's music is one

2091
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:37,280
Speaker 1: of the only things in the world that can make

2092
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 1: bad good. It can turn bad into good, and we

2093
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 1: get to be associated with that. And I know I

2094
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 1: know from your letters over the years that you're passionate

2095
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:47,519
Speaker 1: about it. I know that this guy in the in

2096
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:50,120
Speaker 1: the florally in the pretty shirt. You got a pretty

2097
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:53,519
Speaker 1: shirt there, Jimmy, that guy, I must to him. Yeah,

2098
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:55,880
Speaker 1: it's not a costume. And I know what it means

2099
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 1: to me, and I know how grateful that I am

2100
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:00,960
Speaker 1: that we all get to talk about it and go

2101
01:51:01,080 --> 01:51:03,040
Speaker 1: out and do it again tomorrow. Thanks so much for

2102
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 1: doing this. Until next time. This is Bob left Sex