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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecop Three and Out Podcast,

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Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon. I'm recording this a little bit before five

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Speaker 1: o'clock Pacific Standard time, a week from the day the

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Speaker 1: draft would be an hour away. So we are coming

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Speaker 1: down the home stretch of the draft, and I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I'm a little drafted out.

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Speaker 1: And I talked to some of my buddies in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I know they feel the same way. Uh it's different

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Speaker 1: for them. You just read so many mock drafts and

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Speaker 1: you see so many Twitter experts, and that's all I

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Speaker 1: am nowadays. They just have my opinions that you know,

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Speaker 1: not watching the amount of tape that they are, and

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Speaker 1: you just then your general manager goes, well, did you

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Speaker 1: read a mock and this guy is now mocked at

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Speaker 1: the end of the first round and you have a

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Speaker 1: third round grade on him. It's just the draft can't

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Speaker 1: get here soon enough for those in the NFL. For

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Speaker 1: thus for those of us to talk about the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I know everyone listening to the fans of the NFL

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Speaker 1: or college football, it really is a great event. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I I was one to say and I

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Speaker 1: listen I'll take the l on this one that I

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Speaker 1: was a little surprised they didn't move free agency back

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Speaker 1: and the draft, but I'm gonna dive into right now

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Speaker 1: where you know, it's pretty clear they shouldn't have moved

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Speaker 1: the draft back. And I think a lot of general managers.

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Speaker 1: I watched a lot of press quote unquote press conferences

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Speaker 1: over the last forty eight hours, guys doing zooms, Brett Veach,

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Speaker 1: Howie Roseman, Thomas to meet Roff, I mean all these

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Speaker 1: guy Mike Mayock listen to his conference call, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be okay. Uh. Around the NFL, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna shoot into a bunch of different stories that have

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Speaker 1: come out over the last three or four days. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of hammering my opinion on each one, from from

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Speaker 1: the Falcons trading up to the Odell Beckham fake news

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Speaker 1: to Glazer's report, a bunch of different stuff. Dak Scott

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Speaker 1: might skip, not Mike is going to skip the virtual

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Speaker 1: off season. Uh. And then of course Middlecoff mail bag

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Speaker 1: at John Middlecoff is my Instagram handle, same as my

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Speaker 1: Twitter handle. Direct messages, wide open, answer your questions here

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Speaker 1: on the show. Slide up in those d m s.

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Speaker 1: Leave a question whatever you want and I will answer

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Speaker 1: it here. Uh. You know we're quarantined, so we got

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Speaker 1: time fire in there. Uh. And I also want to

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Speaker 1: thank everyone that have left a review. If you like

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Speaker 1: the show, go to the three and out Apple, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of you that have I salute you.

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you a salute right now, virtually kind of

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Speaker 1: like the GM. So let's dive into the g MS. Listen,

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Speaker 1: we're all having our ups and downs. I try, I

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Speaker 1: actively try, and I did this before the Corona ever hit.

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Speaker 1: I can be naturally, I would say the majority, Like

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Speaker 1: in my twenties and even in early I'm thirty five now,

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Speaker 1: the first couple of years of my thirties, my natural

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Speaker 1: can always be negative, and it's something you get hammered

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Speaker 1: home when you're a scout, like be a glass half

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Speaker 1: full guy, not a glass half empty guy. But listen,

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Speaker 1: you know my dad businessman had said he he would

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Speaker 1: have skewed on the negative end. And it's just it's

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Speaker 1: as I've gotten older and wiser, and I think a

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Speaker 1: be more positive. And I'm not saying I'm just a

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Speaker 1: negative person even ten years ago, but my first reaction

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Speaker 1: And I've really tried to change that around. It takes

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Speaker 1: time and listen, in the middle of corona. I've been

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Speaker 1: one to say keep your spirits up during Corona, be positive,

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Speaker 1: but it's hard. I I completely understand. I talked to

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Speaker 1: a good buddy today who runs a small business who

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Speaker 1: said they just took out a pretty big six figure loan.

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Speaker 1: And while it's great, you know, playing one percent interest

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Speaker 1: ebb and flow. The reality is I don't do that

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Speaker 1: I did understand when all the gms when it said listen,

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Speaker 1: Everyone was like, this is bullshit. I was like, I

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Speaker 1: And then a couple of weeks have gone by and

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Speaker 1: I've used zoom for interviews. I'm sure many of you

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Speaker 1: have used Zoom for your conference calls or whatever, and

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Speaker 1: you realize, you know what, it's actually not that hard.

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Speaker 1: And then you realize, well, everything is digital now, and

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Speaker 1: if it's not, you could just order a white board

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Speaker 1: if you want a couple of white boards off Amazon.

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Speaker 1: I have a white board standing right next to me

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Speaker 1: in great spirits. He's like, yeah, we're gonna be We're

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Speaker 1: We figured it out because you know what most high

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Speaker 1: level people do in any business or in any situation,

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Speaker 1: they adapt to their surroundings. That's why they're high level.

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Speaker 1: Now these are way less than ideal for everyone involved,

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Speaker 1: It sounds terrible, but it's just the truth. So like,

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Speaker 1: reality that we live in when it comes to news.

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Speaker 1: I think we all agree it comes with television, right

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Speaker 1: with sports. You watch First Take or some of these shows,

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Speaker 1: they're all trying to be provocative. Like we've heard eighteen

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Speaker 1: million ways to judge Lebron James. I can't take it anymore. Now,

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Speaker 1: just been a lot of topics. We've had free agency,

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Speaker 1: you get a speed guy, his comps are always gonna

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Speaker 1: be DeShawn Jackson or Tyree Hill, because you would never

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Speaker 1: comp a guy in the first round to like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, he reminds me of Mark. He's good, one

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Speaker 1: of the Niners. Oh you know he reminds me of

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Speaker 1: uh John Ross of the Bengals, because they'd be like, well,

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Speaker 1: We're not taking that guy in the first round. You

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Speaker 1: notice every single player who just Chase Young reminds you

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Speaker 1: of Von Miller mixed with Bosa. Oh who does Jerry

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Speaker 1: Judy remind you of Oh Mari who does Ceedee Lamb

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Speaker 1: remind you of Davante every who does a Couda remind

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Speaker 1: you of Durelle Revas, every cop of every dude that's

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Speaker 1: gonna go high is a sweet player. Well, we know

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Speaker 1: the reality is of the player's draft in the first

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Speaker 1: round or not even gonna be good. Let alone pro

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Speaker 1: bowlers and just Davante Adams, DeAndre Hopkins and you know,

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Speaker 1: uh Carson Wentz. We just and and I'm guilty too,

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Speaker 1: Like listen, I'm not trying to I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: be a hypocrite here. I do those comps too. But

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Speaker 1: do you understand that Tyreek Hill one he In this article,

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Speaker 1: they wrote the average the average Wonderlick score for the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver group in this year's class is actually pretty low.

447
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Speaker 1: The average Wonderlicks score for a Pro Bowl wide receiver

448
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Speaker 1: the last five years has been twenty one. The average

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Speaker 1: Wonderlick score for wide receivers in this draft is like seventeen.

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Speaker 1: And I know Coach Reid has told me this multiple times.

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Speaker 1: And Hill's Wonderlick score was twenty seven. But Andy would

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Speaker 1: tell you Tyreek is really football smart. You don't you

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Speaker 1: tell him something once and he's got it. And that's

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Speaker 1: that's ideal what you want in a football player. You

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Speaker 1: want your got to be really good like Tyreek, and

456
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Speaker 1: then you wanted to be smart. So when they're good

457
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Speaker 1: and smart, the sky's the limit. And Tyreek Hill also

458
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Speaker 1: went to coach read who's offensive innovation genius. He went

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Speaker 1: to Patrick Mahomes, who looks like one of the best

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks we've ever seen. He went to a team that

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Speaker 1: has I don't know, one of the best tight ends

462
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Speaker 1: in the league in Kelsey. He went to a team

463
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Speaker 1: that has had countless other wide receivers haul and ass

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Speaker 1: around him and a good offensive line. Like he went

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Speaker 1: to a great situation. There's a chance that if Ruggs

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Speaker 1: goes through the wrong team, it doesn't look the same. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you tell me Ruggs went to Kyle Shanahan or

468
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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson, I go yeah, it probably works. But if

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Speaker 1: you tell me Ruggs goes to like, I don't know

470
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Speaker 1: the Panthers or I'm just throwing out the Jaguars, it

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Speaker 1: might not look good. You are the wide receiver position,

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Speaker 1: and just like any position is very dependent on who's

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Speaker 1: scheming you open and who's throwing in the football. So

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Speaker 1: I just think sometimes when you read these comps, you

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Speaker 1: gotta take them all with a grain of salt, because

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Speaker 1: you'll never read a comp you know who. This guy

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Speaker 1: reminds me of that dude on the Cowboys practice squad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he reminds me. What what pick can you take? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Top ten? Yeah, it reminds me of that guy. Everything.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I think this guy's like Brett Farfe.

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Speaker 1: You know this. You know he he's got a little

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Speaker 1: Tourell Owens in him. I mean, because that's what's fun

483
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Speaker 1: the NBA drafts. Worse every you could do in the

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Speaker 1: NBA drafts, Like if he just dribbles a little better,

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Speaker 1: you know, be Klay Thompson. You know, he's got a

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Speaker 1: little James Harden to his game. You know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying he's Lebron, but he's like Lebron. No he's not

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Speaker 1: a no. You know, the percentage of wide receivers, let's say,

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Speaker 1: of the top ten wide receivers drafted in this draft

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Speaker 1: in the first couple of rounds, So like the ten

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Speaker 1: first wide receivers that are taken from c d and

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Speaker 1: Judy all the way down to whoever the tenth guy is.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a chance that five of them bust,

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Speaker 1: I want to say bust, just aren't good, you know,

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Speaker 1: and probably two or three of them, probably two of

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Speaker 1: them are Pro Bowlers, and maybe the next two are

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Speaker 1: just like solid starters. That's just it's the nature of

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Speaker 1: the beast. I saw Dak He is not gonna do

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Speaker 1: any of the virtual offseason program. Do you know? The

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Speaker 1: way you get something in NFL, truly get something in

501
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Speaker 1: the NFL. And it sucks. It shouldn't be like this,

502
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Speaker 1: but it's just it's the way the economic you know,

503
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Speaker 1: set up for these players is with the franchise tach,

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Speaker 1: you gotta hold out. You have to hold out. Now,

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Speaker 1: holding out virtually will be a lot different than if

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Speaker 1: they were just having normal O t s, because obviously

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Speaker 1: the media would be a practice and it would be

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Speaker 1: a really big deal. I actually don't think it'll be

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Speaker 1: a big story on Twitter and stuff, but it won't

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Speaker 1: be as feel as big of a story if actually

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Speaker 1: people were practicing. But if training camp start and I

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Speaker 1: think they're going to UM, I hope they're going to.

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Speaker 1: The move for Doc will be if he does not

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Speaker 1: have a new contract, is not to show up under

515
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Speaker 1: no circumstances can you show up? Because the guys in

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Speaker 1: recent memory that have drawn a hard line non running

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Speaker 1: backs have worked Khalil, Aaron Donald, Julio Jones. Does Julio

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Speaker 1: hold out? I can't even remember. But I actually the

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Speaker 1: same thing about George Kittle, George kid because of tight ends,

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Speaker 1: the comps are pretty crappy. Like if he wants legit money,

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Speaker 1: he's got to hold out. Like Christian McCaffrey just signed

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Speaker 1: a team friendly deal. My recommendation that Christian McCaffrey would

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Speaker 1: have been hold out, do not show up. They'll pay you. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Because again it's unfair. You gotta be a little selfish.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a team oriented game, but to get

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Speaker 1: your money, you have to hold out. So unless they

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Speaker 1: give Dak whatever the hell he's looking for. And again

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Speaker 1: I'm on team cowboy Jerry here, I'm not giving him

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Speaker 1: thirty five million dollars. I think thirty millions more than fair.

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Speaker 1: It's like, Dak, we're giving you add ten million dollars guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: I think you've won one playoff game. Can you you're

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Speaker 1: not gonna sign that? Like, what do you think you're worth?

533
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Speaker 1: Who do you think you are? But if you do

534
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Speaker 1: want to get that money and at least force their hand,

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Speaker 1: maybe get an extra couple of million dollars, hold out.

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Speaker 1: Uh Oh Pelasarow. Tom Pellasarow writes for h OR. I

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Speaker 1: guess he's a TV guy. Used to write for USA today.

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Speaker 1: I guess he still writes a little for NFL dot com. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He I saw you had. He compared a bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 1: He pulled twelve general managers. I think eight of the

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Speaker 1: twelve said that they have to excuse me, they have

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Speaker 1: Herbert as their second quarterback on their board, so that

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Speaker 1: means over to uh. He said one thing though that

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Speaker 1: made me laugh. He said a lot of coaches are

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Speaker 1: comparing Jake from with the quarterback from Georgia to Chase Daniel,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's one of those things. Back to

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Speaker 1: the comps, that's a red flag. I googled it. Chase

548
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Speaker 1: Daniels has seven touchdowns and five interceptions in his career.

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Speaker 1: When Chase Daniels, he's a cool backup until he has

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Speaker 1: to play. I like Chase Daniels at Missouri, not a

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Speaker 1: good pro. Now he's a high character guy. People like

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Speaker 1: having him around. He's smart, but he can't play. So

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes when you get in bed as a

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Speaker 1: coach with those type players because you love them. I

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Speaker 1: bet if if I knew Chase, he'd be my friend.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to drink beer with him, talk sports, play golf, hangout.

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Speaker 1: Seems like a great guy. I know people that have

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Speaker 1: had them on their teams. They love him. He's just

559
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Speaker 1: not very good. And the problem is when your backup

560
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Speaker 1: quarterback is that guy, you're like, god, I love this guy, man.

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Speaker 1: We love having him in the building, and then he

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Speaker 1: has to play and he stinks or screwed. You know

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Speaker 1: who the best are like Nick Foles. We're like, you know,

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Speaker 1: nick Foles are back up. This guy is a high

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Speaker 1: character guy. We love having sun in the building, and

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Speaker 1: then he has to play, and you're like, okay, you

567
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Speaker 1: can function not bad. It works like okay, this cool.

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Speaker 1: Ideally you'd want like Jimmy Garoppolo when you had Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady as your starter. But most teams, you know, you

570
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Speaker 1: gotta settle. Like Teddy Bridgewater the Saints the last couple

571
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Speaker 1: of years. They probably think we love Teddy God. This

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Speaker 1: guy who's high character, he's always smiling, he works his

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Speaker 1: ass off, he's always prepared. Boom, Drew Brees breaks his thumb.

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Speaker 1: Then it goes from like, okay, can this guy play?

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Speaker 1: And then Teddy can't? You're like, Okay, that's cool. I

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Speaker 1: need my backup quarterback to be able to play. I

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Speaker 1: I can't get into a situation where he's just a

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Speaker 1: good guy, because being a good guy can't overweigh your

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Speaker 1: talent as a backup quarterback. Because I'm one broken foot,

580
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Speaker 1: I'm one broken finger, I'm one broken clavical from that

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Speaker 1: guy having to start, and depending on how bad the

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Speaker 1: injury is, he might have to start eight games. Worst case,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna start the rest of the season. But even

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Speaker 1: if it's a month, can I can I win? Can

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Speaker 1: I go five hundred with them? Can I win three

586
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Speaker 1: or four games with them? Because Chase Handels, you can't.

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00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: So if Jake from has Chase daniels I. I can't

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Speaker 1: put it. I can't draft him, I can't do it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's get into the Middlecoff mail bag at John Middlecoffs

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Speaker 1: the Instagram handle give me a follow slide up into

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Speaker 1: those d ms. Also my Twitter handle. Uh, try to

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Speaker 1: spend a little less time on Twitter during quarantine. It's God,

593
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Speaker 1: it's a negative environment. But Instagram is fun. Instagram is

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Speaker 1: a is a fun place and it's where I interact

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Speaker 1: with you guys. Love the podcast was curious if you

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Speaker 1: could give your picks on the teams that are going

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Speaker 1: to make the biggest jumps this upcoming season, in which

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Speaker 1: teams you think are gonna go fall back. Well, to me,

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Speaker 1: that topic and that question, I like it that that

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Speaker 1: has Corona mid May written all over it. So I'll

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Speaker 1: get to that once we know the draft picks. I

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Speaker 1: would say one team off top of my head that

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Speaker 1: I would expect to be a playoff team with Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: Tampa hasn't made the playoffs in twelve years. You signed

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Speaker 1: Bruce Arians, you have a quarterback that throws an unlimited interceptions.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this a lot, but I think Tampa,

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Speaker 1: if Tom Brady can stay healthy, which historically, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't miss any games beside when he gets to

609
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Speaker 1: flake Gate and Griggson turns him in. But that Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: they're a playoff team. But other than that, I actually

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Speaker 1: think the Cardinals, I don't know how much better, but

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be sneaky. But well, this this

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Speaker 1: will be a good offseason. Again, the off season mid

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Speaker 1: Corona might be. It might be a different offseason. Aspiring

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Speaker 1: scout here. During your time as a scout, what would

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Speaker 1: you say was the best and worst parts of your job?

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Speaker 1: Also would you recommend it as a career? And what

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Speaker 1: is the best way to go about getting started in

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Speaker 1: the profession? Why? I tell everyone that asked, the best

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Speaker 1: way to get into player personnel and football is to

621
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Speaker 1: start in college. So if you if you're DM and

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Speaker 1: me from you're at school, start working for your school's

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Speaker 1: football program. If you're in Division one, I mean, you

624
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: can't ask for anything better. I was at cal Poly.

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Speaker 1: I got involved that way and one thing led to

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Speaker 1: another and I got a g a job at Fresno State.

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Speaker 1: The best part of my job is, you know, I'd

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Speaker 1: say being part of something bigger than yourself. You know,

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Speaker 1: being part of a team, working with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: high level people. I was lucky enough to be a

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Speaker 1: part of a high level organization. You know, being around

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Speaker 1: players every day. You know, when you're an evaluating your

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Speaker 1: when you're when you're an evaluate, right. I do think

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Speaker 1: it helps to work in the office. I mean that's

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Speaker 1: a really cool experience. It led me moving across the country,

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Speaker 1: which I never would have moved to Philly in a

637
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Speaker 1: million years. Uh winning, I mean game days are cool

638
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: as a college scout going into all these universities. I

639
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: mean from s C too. You dubbed Oregon. I only

640
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: did the West Coast, so I mean a lot of

641
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: these schools I never you know, going to all their

642
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: going to games and that that stuff was cool. The

643
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: worst part we're just I mean it was a grind

644
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: you drive, you know, if you have the sec everything

645
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: is pretty close together. If you have the West Coast,

646
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Speaker 1: I mean Salt Lake City to l A to Oregon

647
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: to Washington to Montana to the Arizona schools. I even

648
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: had you tep went right by Warez. Actually had a

649
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: good night out in El Paso. Was sweet. It was

650
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: there a couple of nights spent a lot of time

651
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: in Vegas. It's just you spend so much time driving. Uh,

652
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: it's and I hate that to this day. I hate

653
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: wasting time driving. Now. We all know sometimes in traffic,

654
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: but god, I mean, there's a difference between being in

655
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: traffic for forty five minutes and going on a four

656
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: hour drive at four o'clock to get somewhere at eight

657
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: o'clock and then having to do work and then. I mean,

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00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: one thing that I like a lot more in my

659
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 1: own job is I control a lot. And I think

660
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: I was destined to, like I have to be able

661
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: to control probably why I'm destined I have to own

662
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: my own business. I have to be an entrepreneur because

663
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 1: I always kind of pushed back, you know, I always,

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Speaker 1: whether this is a character flow or whatever, think that,

665
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: like I kind of I have a good feel for things.

666
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: And you know, at least with Chip Kelly, before Chip

667
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: got there, it was pretty open, you could talk about whatever.

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00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: But I saw with Chip, and I think a lot

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00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: of teams are like this. You know, it's just like

670
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: it's the end all be all with the coach and

671
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: it's like this is especially now. I mean a lot

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00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: of coaches run personnel from Bill O'Brien. Obviously it works

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00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: with Belichick, but it just can be very very hit

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00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: or miss, you know, when when it's like that and pay,

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00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the pay was not good. I think you know,

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00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: I made dollars those couple of years on the road,

677
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: but again, I was twenty five twenty six. Money didn't

678
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Speaker 1: matter as much as it definitely does to me now.

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00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: And it's still I'm not a big money guy. But

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00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: it was like, you know that that was you don't

681
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: make much starting out. If you become a general manager,

682
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, you can make millions of dollars. I guess

683
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: if you become a scouting director you can make six figures. Obviously,

684
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: coaches make a lot. You know, the coaches make a

685
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: lot more than you know executives, non gms. You know,

686
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: your player personnel, you're scouting director, your sec scout is

687
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: not make I mean your your quarterback coach in the

688
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: NFL might make seven hundred thousand dollars. You're tight end

689
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL might make three dollars. Think about that.

690
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: How does your college scouting director not make five thousand

691
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: dollars every single team? That's just not the case. So

692
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: that the money was tough. I also think, like any job,

693
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: when you spend that much time doing it, you know

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00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: just I like other sports a lot. I'm a big golfer,

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00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: I love watching I'm a big basketball baseball. I like

696
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: watching other sports. You're you're pretty locked into football a

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00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: large percentage of the year. Obviously during the season during

698
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: the fall, which is easy, but even during the draft

699
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: process you spend so I'd say, here's the other worst part.

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Speaker 1: That's what I don't have to do now. And I

701
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: don't miss it at all. As a scout, you spend

702
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: so much time watching crappy players relative to the NFL.

703
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: So you're watching fifth round through like undrafted free agents,

704
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: because I mean, you still watch obviously the top guys,

705
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: but you're not who you're gonna take in the first

706
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: round is somewhat at it. You don't have anything to

707
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: do with it. They're coming to you in the mid

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00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: rounds and and the undrafted free agents. And I got

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00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: board watching those guys. And I heard Mayock say the

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00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: other day he likes watching the late round guys and

711
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: thinks it's more important than the early round guys. And

712
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 1: that's probably true, but and that's why Mayok was meant

713
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: to be a GM. I'm meant to be in the media.

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00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: I can talk about first rounders all day long, or

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00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: even now. If you're an undrafted free agent you get

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00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: to the league and you're good, I'll talk about you.

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00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: Or you're a fifth or sixth rounder, you become Tom Brady,

718
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: Richard Truman, George Kittle. I got no problem, you know,

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00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: but I I can't pretend to get super fired up

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00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: on some seventh round pick the day of the draft

721
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: because the majority of those guys are going to be

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00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: out of the league in a couple of years. So

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00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: I get I like talking about the sweet players listen

724
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: to podcast all the time while I do my homework.

725
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I wish I had a podcast to

726
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: listen to back when I had homework. As a Chiefs fan,

727
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: I've been begging for a corner for a while, but

728
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: now we need a linebacker. Should the chief stay at

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00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: thirty two and get a linebacker or a corner or

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00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: trade back to the second round. Well, if you can

731
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Speaker 1: trade back to the second round and let's say move

732
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: back three or four spots and get an extra third

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Speaker 1: round pick, here's where the Chiefs are at they have

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Speaker 1: a quarterback that's about to make thirty five plus million dollars,

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Speaker 1: and Chris Jones. I think Veach said today that their

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Speaker 1: plan is to sign him long term. So I think

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Speaker 1: the key is going to be to have cheap labor. Well,

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Speaker 1: like I said, it's really hard to hit on fifth, six,

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00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: seventh round picks, but second and third rounders you should

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00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: be able to get starters there. So if you're the

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00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: Chiefs and you already have a second round pick and

742
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: you've got a third, if you can trade back and

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Speaker 1: get another second or third round pick and then all

744
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: of a sudden you have two twos and the three,

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00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: or or two twos and two threes, you might be

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00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: able to get three cheap starters, which is gonna be

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00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: key for the not big picture. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: they're returning twenty two starters. I think the Chiefs have

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00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: a chance. If you remember, in two thousand ten, the

750
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers won the Super Bowl. In two thousand eleven,

751
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: they went fifteen and one. That was the year the Giants,

752
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: I think confluence face froze off and they beat him

753
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship game, or maybe they beat him

754
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: in the second round Yeah, they beat him in the

755
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: second round because they beat the Niners in the conference championship,

756
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: so that wasn't the face freeze game. I think that

757
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: was two seven. My point is I think the Chiefs

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00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: could come back and be by far the best team

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00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: in the league. Now, the Ravens record might be really good,

760
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: but as we've seen, they don't do much in the playoffs.

761
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: Like the Chiefs go fifteen and one, they might be

762
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: the heavy favorites. So I wouldn't be shocked to see

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Speaker 1: them trade back. Hey John, but us to the three

764
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: and outpot. Since day one, favorite Podulo listen to appreciate

765
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: that I'm a big Bears fan and was wondering if

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00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: you have any thoughts to what they might be able

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00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: to do in the draft. They have two picks in

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Speaker 1: the top fifty, and I've seen them taking corners of

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00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: alignment in a few mocks. Clearly they still think Mitch

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00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: is a big part of the plans. So do you

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00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: think the most sense to try and surround him with

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00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: its many solid weapons and try to upgrade the line play.

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00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: With Kyle Long retiring and losing Prince and ha Hunt

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00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: free agency, what do you think they should do and

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00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: would be able to do in the draft. Well, their

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00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: defense is loaded, right, they have a great defensive front.

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00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: Traviathan's coming back. Ro Kawan got hurt, but he'll be back.

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00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: They still have Eddie Jackson, they still have Fuller. So

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00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: you could add a corner a little later in the draft.

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00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: And I think they got some guys on the roster

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00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: that I've been told that they like they need a

782
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: tight end. Now this is a bad tight end draft.

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Speaker 1: Would you trade one of those second rounders for O. J. Howard?

784
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: I would think about it, and I think Mike Lombardi

785
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: said on his podcast OJ Howards on the Trading Block,

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00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: I would think about trading one of those second rounders

787
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: for O. J. Howard. I would probably use the other

788
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: one in offensive lineman. But I also not of the

789
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: school thought that like Mitch is some sacred cow here.

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00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: I would imagine in the next I don't know month

791
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: or whenever the fifth year option deadline is, which is

792
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: usually either June fift or July, Mr Biskuy is not

793
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: gonna have his fifth year option picked up. Nick Foles

794
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: is probably gonna be the starter. Well likely never happened,

795
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: but thought how cool it would be to if the

796
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: NFL delayed the draft for another month and allowed their

797
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: next crop of college recruits, Trevor Lawrence Fields to declare

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00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: for this year's in case college season was canceled. Love

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00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: the Show, that would be pretty nuts. I also think

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Speaker 1: that would be really really unfair, Like the teams don't

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00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: have any information on those guys. I mean, those quarterbacks

802
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: will get drafted high. But yeah, that'd that would be

803
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: a complicated situation. One of these quarterbacks, who is better

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00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: Jeff Garcia, Alex Smith, or Jimmy g Well. I would

805
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: say Alex is the most consistent. Garcia when he was

806
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: on was a stud. I think he went to four

807
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: Pro Bowlers for Pro Bowls. Jimmy is the unknown. So

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00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: if I had to rank them, if I just had

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00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: to win one game, I'd probably go Garcia, Jimmy Alex.

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00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: Don't don't sleep on Garcia. That dude could play question

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Speaker 1: for the Middlecoff mail Bag. A lot of mock drafts

812
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: and analysts have talked about the Lions moving out of

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00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: the three spot so the Dolphins are Chargers can move

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00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: up and get their quarterback, ignoring Joe Burrow, of course,

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00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: does the fact that the Lions seem to be dead

816
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: set on Acuda hurt their value at number three pick.

817
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: If they trade down, they're still likely to be playing,

818
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: They're still likely to get the play they want, the

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Speaker 1: player they want fifth or six pick. Would the Chargers

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Speaker 1: or Dolphins be aware of that and then off or

821
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: less capital in the trade as that of that result?

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00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: Kind of greedy. I've got a second question. I would say, yeah,

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00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: if those teams know for a fact who you want

824
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: and know you can still get them there, then you

825
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: can't rank him over the coals. But I also think

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00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: what you read in you know, mock drafts and stuff,

827
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: does not mean that's what the actual team knows. So

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00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: I would say I wouldn't put that much stock and

829
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: who mocked drafts having the Lions take. But if they

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00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: do know who you're gonna take, yes, that limits your ability.

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Speaker 1: Kind of greedy. I've got a second question, Well, mid Corona,

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00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: why not If you're the Chargers and you're set on

833
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: two as your franchise guy, but he has already taken,

834
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Speaker 1: are you comfortable taking your second choice quarterback on the

835
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: board and pretending he was your choice all along? Or

836
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: would you rather go for the best player available at

837
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: another position and wait for another go at the draft

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00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: next time around. That's a good question. I would not

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Speaker 1: take a player I don't like at five. So if

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00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: if you want to uh and you get just and

841
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: Herbert and you don't think Justin Herbert's the top five pick,

842
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: I can't take him there, or vice versa. If Herbert

843
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: goes and I'm not thinking two is good enough, i

844
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: can't take him. That's the whole point of the draft process.

845
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: You set your board, you value where guys go. If

846
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: you don't think the guys a franchise quarterback, you can't

847
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: take him in five. End of story. I I think

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Speaker 1: it's really that simple. Despite how important quarterbacks are, I'd

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Speaker 1: rather Hell, I'd go sign Jamis, go sign Cam. That's

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Speaker 1: the other thing. Jamis and Cam are still out there,

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Speaker 1: hew Andy Dalton's out there. Like I'm just not taking

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. I'm not saying I believe in those two guys.

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Speaker 1: I definitely I believe more in Herbert probably than to

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Speaker 1: it just because to an injury. But I'm just not

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Speaker 1: taking one of those guys. Hey, John, big fan of

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Speaker 1: the pod, enjoyed the comparison to the Draft in the

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Speaker 1: stock Market last episode I'm a recent college grad working

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Speaker 1: in finance, but my dream job would be working in

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Speaker 1: salary cap department or just a finance department for a team.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering if you had any insight on what

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Speaker 1: a salary cap finance department looks like for a team

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Speaker 1: and what be the best way to get into one. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of salary cap guys they went

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Speaker 1: to law school, right, so they went undergrad did whatever,

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Speaker 1: and then they get a lot degree and that helps

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Speaker 1: them write contracts. Now the finance department, to me, there's

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Speaker 1: a difference with the finance department that are involved in

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Speaker 1: ticket sales that are involved in signage. That's I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you've got a good degree and you've been working

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Speaker 1: for whatever finance company you you can obtain that job.

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Speaker 1: Now you usually have to start in at more of

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Speaker 1: a sales position, right, cold calling, maintaining relationships. But the

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Speaker 1: salary cap position, I would say most guys in the league,

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Speaker 1: the salary cap negotiators have a lot degree. Uh. That

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Speaker 1: sounds about it. So we got all the questions, So

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Speaker 1: keep firing questions. Uh, shorter pod today, enjoy the weekend,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the quarantine. Try to stay positive. Joy, some good food,

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Speaker 1: have a couple of cocktails and uh a week away

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Speaker 1: baby draft time. Let's do godspeed, stay safe,