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Speaker 2: We create music for people. Episode four twenty three of

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Speaker 2: The Bobby Cast with Josh Jenkins. There's a lot to Josh.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about a couple of number ones. Jordan Davis

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Speaker 2: crazing through the desert. They can back and really as

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Speaker 2: He's had ours recorded from Walker Hayes, Jordan Davis Dustin Lynch,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that him and one of my friends

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Speaker 2: this for you. Thought this was great. This is one

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Speaker 2: But this was really good, so hope you guys enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: You can follow Josh at Josh C. Jenkins on Instagram

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Speaker 2: Josh see Jenkins, or go to Josh Jenkins music dot com.

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Speaker 2: And here we go the Bobbycast with Josh Jenkins. Josh,

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Speaker 2: how are you, Budy? Doing good? Doing good? So today

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Speaker 2: you were doing what? Because I was listening, But then

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Speaker 2: these songs that you wrote that you feel like they're

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Speaker 1: So the band that I was in grew up in

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Speaker 1: Did I have a funny story about you? And that

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Speaker 1: you hear it that I'm buying diapers from my kids.

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Speaker 2: So every time it gets used anywhere, are you making money?

433
00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,399
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I think television, television, and yeah, TV and

434
00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,480
Speaker 1: stuff is great like that that makes that's actually gets

435
00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:28,720
Speaker 1: to us and then obviously radio. But outside of that, TikTok, nothing, nothing,

436
00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,640
Speaker 1: But you know, you realize at that point this song

437
00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,840
Speaker 1: would have not been what. I don't believe without the

438
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,480
Speaker 1: TikTok completely. It doesn't happen.

439
00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,639
Speaker 2: Absolutely I agree, and also getting lucky with the algorithm.

440
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,400
Speaker 2: I've seen some things that are awesome not catch, yep,

441
00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,320
Speaker 2: and I've seen some things that are like why catch

442
00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,360
Speaker 2: and be massive? You caught and it was great yep.

443
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,440
Speaker 2: We rode the way. It was the rare both of

444
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,720
Speaker 2: them hit. The product was amazing and the algorithm hit

445
00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,120
Speaker 2: and people kept spreading it and it worked. It's it's

446
00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,199
Speaker 2: just such a lightning and a bottle type thing. And

447
00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,199
Speaker 2: to catch lining in a you gotta have lightning. That's it.

448
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:02,040
Speaker 2: And he had lightning.

449
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,400
Speaker 1: We didn't know we had. We knew he liked it,

450
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,320
Speaker 1: we knew he loved it. But that's the beauty of

451
00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,480
Speaker 1: this business is you don't you go. I've surrendered a

452
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,120
Speaker 1: little bit of the ideas like is this a hit

453
00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,520
Speaker 1: or not a hit? I just go, Man, do I

454
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,000
Speaker 1: love it. At the end of the day, people will decide.

455
00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,640
Speaker 1: But I think we all left going we love this song.

456
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,119
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, I don't know. And it was just

457
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,920
Speaker 1: a cool kind of coming back point to go and

458
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 1: as creators we just had to love it and then

459
00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,919
Speaker 1: send it out in the world. And then sometimes you

460
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,440
Speaker 1: just sometimes it goes and sometimes you get the rocket

461
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 1: ship hang tight.

462
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:40,960
Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're

463
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,639
Speaker 3: back on the Bobby Cast.

464
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,560
Speaker 2: What was it growing up like for you? What was

465
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 2: the town that you grew up in.

466
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,199
Speaker 1: We grew up in a town thirty minutes west of

467
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 1: Fort Worth called Aledo, Texas. They hold this the amount

468
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,919
Speaker 1: of state championships in Texas, so it's like Friday night

469
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 1: lights five. I was not good at sports at all. Football,

470
00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,439
Speaker 1: football school, football town. Yeah, And my bro and I

471
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 1: grew up playing music with my mom and dad. We

472
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 1: were in a family band and we would travel around

473
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 1: Texas and play these little opryes Hole in the Wall, Cleeburn, Wileye, Weatherford, Grapevine,

474
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 1: anywhere that would have a little house band and they

475
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 1: would play predominantly.

476
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 2: Old country music. And that's what you guys did. That's

477
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 2: what we did.

478
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 1: And the crowd was predominantly forty plus an age, and

479
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 1: we grew up singing George Jones and Geene Watson and

480
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 1: Meryl Haggard songs and Tracy Byrd and all the early

481
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 1: country and we were just that was our school into music.

482
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 1: That was what only music I thought existed, really, and

483
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 1: then grew up and then my brother was like I

484
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 1: want to go to Nashville and be an artist. And

485
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,640
Speaker 1: then I joined Green River as a fifteen year old

486
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 1: and was like, I don't want to be a country artist.

487
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 2: And I don't want to, you know, I went.

488
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 1: So it was like it became we each kind of

489
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 1: went our own separate ways, but mom and dad were supportive.

490
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 1: And then I joined the band and we were playing

491
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 1: in high school slinging CDs and and then and went

492
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,919
Speaker 1: to college for a year, and then a manager that

493
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 1: was our manager for a long time, and me, Paul Steele,

494
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 1: was like, hey, out of school after a year, and

495
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 1: let's we're going to buy a van and trailer. We're

496
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: going to tour independently for two years, playing every place

497
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 1: we can. We're going to hustle and try to get

498
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: a record deal. So we made zero dollars for the

499
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 1: longest time, just like I think I was making a

500
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a month, enough to pay rent and get

501
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 1: some food. And then we were traveling in the van

502
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 1: and doing the thing. And then we got a hold

503
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: of Capital Records out of New York and sign a deal.

504
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 2: So that was my Green River journey. So you're in

505
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 2: college for you to where'd you go to school TCC baby,

506
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 2: and so man, I would say it was fortunate your

507
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 2: parents were musicians, but I don't think you would have

508
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 2: been in the place anyway without your parents being yeah,

509
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 2: musicians and music lovers. So what was their story? What

510
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 2: did they want to do when they were seventeen eighteen

511
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 2: years old?

512
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: My mom she worked at the courthouse in Fort Worth

513
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: as like a twenty year old, and she worked there

514
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 1: her whole life and she left to go work at

515
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 1: a at a law firm. That came back, but that

516
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: was her story. She worked bottom up and then straight

517
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: from just like interning to then working with a judge.

518
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: Did she want to be an artist? She never, she

519
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: just my dad was the creator. I remember as a kid,

520
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: my dad would get a yellow legal pad and he

521
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: would be writing hooks out. And my dad, at that

522
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: point in time, was working full time, created as a

523
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: graphic design company, was not able to go do music

524
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 1: because of us. But he loved music so much and songs.

525
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: He said, if you're going to play music, write your

526
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: own songs, and so we would do the family band thing.

527
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 1: But he also is like he would always just write

528
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: hooks out and he would I remember sheets and sheets

529
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: of hooks that he would write and he would be like,

530
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: that was his passion, and so that kind of spilled

531
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: over onto my brother and I. He would send us

532
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: into separate rooms and say, write a song. Is like

533
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: eleven year olds each you go into the room and

534
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: write a song and bring it back.

535
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: We'll play it.

536
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: And so they loved music. I think my mom loved music,

537
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: but because of my dad's passion, she just was like, hey,

538
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: he taught her how to sing harmony. And then we're

539
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: off in the races as a family band.

540
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: And that was older than you write. Two years. Yeah,

541
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 2: two years. It's kind of a long time when you're brother.

542
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: It's not once you get older. But what did he

543
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 2: was he like a big older brother to you? Did

544
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: it feel or did you guys feel like buddies? We

545
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: felt I mean he felt like a big older brother.

546
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean he's the more like dominant alpha and I'm

547
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: probably more like reserved, emotional quiet one. And so you know,

548
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: we never wrote together ever until probably the last six

549
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 1: or so years. We never, at no point our childhood,

550
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: wrote a song together. I think we stylistically just were

551
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: a part of maybe our egos were like you know,

552
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: the brotherly thing, the brotherly competition. So I was doing

553
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: the band thing. He never wrote on any of that,

554
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: and then he was doing his artist thing, which then

555
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: it turned into a writing thing. And so it wasn't

556
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: until honestly, right around the time we met Jordan that

557
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: we started writing together, which is crazy.

558
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 2: That's pretty wild that you grew up in the same

559
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: house with the same parents. Yeah, doing the same music. Yeah. Yeah,

560
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: you don't hop in and go, let's creatively do something together.

561
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird looking back now because we're so close

562
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: in that regard.

563
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: Did you avoid it then or was it he doesn't like,

564
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: because I'm sure you didn't go we're never going to

565
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: write together, yeah, Or did just not come up. I

566
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: don't know.

567
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 1: Maybe there was just like some brotherly Stylistically we kind

568
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: of were different, but I think maybe there was some

569
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: brotherly like competition, like healthy competition.

570
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: Did you look up to him.

571
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: I've always looked up to him, Yeah, you know, especially

572
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: you know he came to town and was doing the

573
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: artist thing and I was doing the label thing out

574
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: in New York, grinding, and we shared similar struggles in

575
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: that regard, like he was on Universal South and music

576
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: never came out and I was on the band, and

577
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: then we left the label, and so we were always

578
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: aligned in that regard. Stylistically a little different, but aligned

579
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: in the journey of music. And so but I always

580
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: have looked up to him. He is truly my best

581
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, outside of my wife. He's my best butt

582
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: in town. And so it's been really sweet.

583
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: But your mom and dad creative, they're singing, they're playing music,

584
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 2: but they're also they have stable jobs. Yeah, so you

585
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 2: don't anymore. I know, because when you said you were

586
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: in the family band, and I knew that by reading

587
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: about you, I was like, well, then his parents were like,

588
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: run be free because we were no they had real jobs,

589
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: they had to pay a mortgage. Yeah, so what do

590
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: they say when you're like, I'm checking out of here,

591
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: you're in college, I'm going so they say, go ahead,

592
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: but then come back if it's not working.

593
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: That's pretty much all of the parents in the band

594
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: and my parents were like, hey, you're young, you have

595
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: time to go do this. If this doesn't work out,

596
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: you can always come back. But even you know, throughout

597
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: the years of the band that were like, you know,

598
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: being in a band is incredibly hard because of the

599
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: economics of splitting it five ways, and but we we

600
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: built a following. But even then, you know, when I

601
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: met my wife and we're scrapping by and I'm in

602
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: the band still and we're the shows are great, but

603
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, you just it's just hard. My parents have

604
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: always been like, what do you want to do, Like

605
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: you're a man now, if you want to if you

606
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: can make that work. But they never at one point

607
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: were like, you need to get off the road or

608
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: you need to stop doing this, because they trusted me

609
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: to make that decision.

610
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: So why'd you move to Nashville.

611
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: I was traveling with the guys and we were doing

612
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: that and I kept coming to town and being around

613
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: my bros. Crew and seeing this kind of creative engine

614
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: that when I was off the road with Green River,

615
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: it just I didn't really have that. And I think

616
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: at that point in my mind, I started thinking about

617
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: do I want a tour for the rest of my

618
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: life or like for the most of my you know,

619
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: until I can't anymore to make a living. And I

620
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think I do. I really felt

621
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: like I had met my wife Jules, and I'd started

622
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: thinking about like the next five six years and so

623
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: moving to Nashville was a way for me to invest

624
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: in things, being in a community that would provide an opportunity,

625
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: no promises, but to pursue something that would I could

626
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: be here and be around my family and so that

627
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: was start of the start of that thought process for me.

628
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: So coming to town was a little bit on. My

629
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: bro was like, you should be here, you would love it,

630
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 1: you would do great. And also just going, you know,

631
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: let's get out of Texas. Let's go to Nashville and

632
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: see if there's some something for us up there outside

633
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: of the band.

634
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: So what do you do when you get here, because

635
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: it's not like there's a big pot of gold waiting

636
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: for you, like, oh yeah, dud, Josh's coming, here's here's

637
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: your money. Like what do you do because it doesn't

638
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: feel like you're coming with the dreams of pursuing full

639
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: artistry because you gotta get back on the road again.

640
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: And you know what that's like. That sucks. It's hard, yeah,

641
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: and it's awesome, but it sucks. Yeah. So you're kind

642
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: of starting over, starting over.

643
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Cobalt was adminting all the band stuff, and

644
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: so they were plugged in here with writers.

645
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: And it was a good transition because the.

646
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: Band was still going and there was still money, and

647
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: there's still work to be had and music out and

648
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: a lot of things we were doing. It was a

649
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: time where that kind of covered us to get here.

650
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean, granted, my wife worked at US. She's a

651
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: math major from A and M. And she worked for

652
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: a Texas energy company, so she was carrying us because

653
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't making a ton of money. But it was

654
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: a scenario that the transition to that was like, hey,

655
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: this is going to be a process. I didn't expect

656
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm going to go to Nashville and like

657
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: how they hit tomorrow And she deserves an award for

658
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: how patient. And she's been along the journey for a

659
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: long time. You know, we've been here for twelve years.

660
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: So I came in and I just dove straight into

661
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: the songwriting thing, and it was it was hard. It

662
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: was a learning curve for.

663
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: Sure, writing co writes with Randoms. Yes, especially at first.

664
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: That's that's that's new, right, Yeah, just walking in the room.

665
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: I never met you, Let's write a song. Yeah. Yeah.

666
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: Because the band, the way I wrote with the band

667
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: was always much it was like a free open ride

668
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: when I want to write, and then you come to

669
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: Nashville and it's very much like show up. You get

670
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: a do you have an idea, and it really in

671
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: a tough way you learn the craft right it like

672
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: it works. You over to go, oh I got to

673
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: be prepared or oh, I like I got to learn

674
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: more about how this works. And so it was definitely

675
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: a learning curve. And I even listened back to the

676
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: songs I thought were good and they're not. They were

677
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: like these are these are bad? And I was writing

678
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: them at the time.

679
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: You do.

680
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't see your growth until you listen back

681
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: and go, goodness gracious, like those were tough. But I

682
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: had a team around me that was willing to kind

683
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: of invest, and that really got the ball rolling in

684
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: that way.

685
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: Did you have super fans that were like, hey, why

686
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: aren't you putting out music? Yeah, what's up?

687
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: At that point, we were putting out music, and I

688
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: think the band's profile, like having dance and choosing some songs,

689
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: it helped me transition into town because people are like, oh,

690
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: we've heard a green of ordinance, like we'll write with Josh,

691
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: and so that helped me and we at that time

692
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: were still putting music out, so it wasn't like we

693
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: had gone dark yet.

694
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: You mentioned a mentor earlier. Tell me who that was

695
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: again and how did he end up being your mentor?

696
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: Well, Alan Shanmlin has just been a buddy. I met

697
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: him through Robin Palmer a long time ago, and my

698
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: brother and I have just connected with him at different

699
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: points in our career and I took he took me

700
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: to coffee forever ago, and you know, he is just

701
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: he kind of embodies a little bit of what.

702
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: I kind of aspire to be as a creator.

703
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: And he moves at such a beautiful, peaceful, slow pace

704
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: because his process is so different than the song song, song,

705
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: song song thing. He's very methodical and just like patients

706
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: of creating something beautiful. And you know the songs he's written,

707
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: the House That Built Me and I Can't Make You

708
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: Love Me and Don't Laugh At Me and his story.

709
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: You know how those songs came about, and the patients

710
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: it took to get there trickle down into our process

711
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: going like you know, we want, we're we're trying to like, Okay,

712
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: we're just twenty twenty three. There's a different climate of

713
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: creating music but we can lean back and learn a

714
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: little bit from that. And so he's just been we

715
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's been a dear friend. We actually were

716
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: My bro and I were flying out to Colorado to

717
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: do a private gig and he happened to be on

718
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: our flight, and so we're like, you know, hugged him

719
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: and we sat and talked for two hours and he.

720
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: Sit there and he talked about life and the soul

721
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: of what we do.

722
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: And you know, he said this about music, and I

723
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: admire it. He said, music is spiritual, like what we do.

724
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: It's not all.

725
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: We live at the crossroads of the art and commerce.

726
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: And he carries like you can hear it in house

727
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: that built me Like here. He really tries to get

728
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: to the soul of in the heart of what needs

729
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: to be said, and he takes the time to say it.

730
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: And so he's been a person, not only personally but professionally.

731
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: I just I always go, man, I just want that

732
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: to I want to be baptized in that thought a

733
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: little bit.

734
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: Did you ever write early on when you move to

735
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: town and you're writing with whomever. For me, it was

736
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: probably when I first moved here was Miller, because I

737
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: was just like, I mean, he'd written Jamie Johnson, he

738
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: had written you know you, and I was just like,

739
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: this is crazy. And Nelly and I are friends, but

740
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: I was just like, I can't. I'm actually a little

741
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: bit intimidated. Yeah, and here I am trying to write

742
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: comedy music with a guy who's got a ton of success,

743
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: and I was I don't really know what to do.

744
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: I was a little bit I felt like over my

745
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: skis caught up. Yeah, it was all good, But who

746
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: was that for you? Whenever you moved to town and

747
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm writing with I don't know a B

748
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: or C. Or you got in a room and you

749
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: didn't know them and all of a sudden, I mean

750
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: they're throwing one hundred and three miles on our fastballs. Oh.

751
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: There was plenty of those where people are seasoned in

752
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't know what I'm doing and

753
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: you're insecure and you're going, I don't know what I'm doing.

754
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: I'm not good at this. Can I do this? You know?

755
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: I think coming into town there was just there was

756
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: just you know, people that had been doing it, you know.

757
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: And I remember sitting in the room with Josh oh

758
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: and Josh Osborn and Trevor Rosen, and they were kind

759
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: of enough. They were fans of the band and they

760
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: were friends of my bros. And we wrote and I

761
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: was just like trying to keep up, and I was

762
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: like it was they were so good and so like

763
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: on the track that I just was like, I got

764
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: a long way to go. I got some learning to do.

765
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: And so, you know, battling through insecurity and self doubt

766
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: and all the things to stick with it and see

767
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: that slow progression. But those guys and the beauty of

768
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: this town is everybody, nobody. I really haven't had a

769
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: write where somebody made me feel bad about myself, which

770
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for because I know those exist. But so

771
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: everybody was always supportive. But I always felt like, man,

772
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: I got a waste. I got some work to do.

773
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: You know who is super cool? Can't mention those two

774
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: dudes already or three? You can't mention any of those Shane, Josh,

775
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: And you can't mention maybe else you say a minute ago,

776
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: any name you've mentioned. You can't mention who is super cool?

777
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: Maybe became friends with them, Maybe he just loved being

778
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: being around them. I'll vamp while you do that for me,

779
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: it was Jim Bievers and at this point Jim and

780
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: I have written thirty comedy songs together, right, and I

781
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: was just like, this dude's funny. He's also written red

782
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: solo cup. He's also written Tim McGraw, but he's like hello,

783
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, I gotta be this guy's friends.

784
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: And then we started playing with them. We're friends more

785
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: than anything professional now, like who was super cool? The

786
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: writing room made a friendship with who?

787
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: Hmm, goodness gracious. There's so many of them. I'm trying

788
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: to think like a really good one.

789
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: Early on, there was.

790
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: A girl named Robin Lerner who wrote She's my kind

791
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: of Reign, and she was yeah, and she was masterful

792
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: at like melody in this element of like commercial and

793
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: poetic in this thing, and so early on, like being

794
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: in a room with her and watching her kind of

795
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: craft was I remember that was that was impactful on

796
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: me because I was like, oh my gosh, like I'd

797
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: never seen that was one of my most impactful early rights.

798
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: That was just she was kind and she was gracious.

799
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: And from then obviously there's people that you meet I

800
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: think you know people before, but like the lorries of

801
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: the World and the Allen of the World.

802
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: And the.

803
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: Obviously I can say Shane because I'm part of the

804
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: Shame Company. But I think those kind of people what

805
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: they did for me is they never had an ego

806
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: in the room and I think that's unique to me.

807
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: Just you kind of go and go and this person's

808
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: gonna be like they have the right to be whatever,

809
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, Like there's a graciousness to those

810
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: guys like Shane. The way he creates is so gracious

811
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: and collaborative and building up of you know, your your

812
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: co writers that I was. That has floored me to

813
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: be in the room with people like that that were like, oh, dang,

814
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: you deserve you could be whatever, but you're not.

815
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: That's funny that you mentioned that because I had done

816
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: a couple of things with Walker and he is a

817
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: confidence giver mm hm, because I know what I A'm

818
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 2: good at and walk and be like that's it, yeah,

819
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: come on, yeah, WHOA And I'm like maybe I am.

820
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: And I knew I wasn't, but I was like, maybe

821
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: I am. Okay, like that you're you're right. There was

822
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: a real confidence even that Walker would give me that

823
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: I would be like, make me better honestly because heart

824
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 2: rate we go down a little bit so you could

825
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 2: actually breathe, so you could actually whatever perform means right create.

826
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: But there is it's a superpower. Yes, some people have.

827
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: It is to instill confidence and folks actually let them

828
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: be a better yea performer. Ye.

829
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: It brings out the best in everybody. And I think

830
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: there's a I've learned that from them, and I try

831
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: to carry that. I go like, man, if you leave

832
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: the room and if someone feels small because you've been

833
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: in the room with them, I'm like, this is not

834
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: this is we haven't met our purpose here. Like being

835
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: with those guys and they build you up and they

836
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: give you confidence. You don't see yourself like that's it.

837
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: You know, when shame looks like that's it.

838
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: Go with that. You're like, you go, oh, maybe maybe

839
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: I kind of know what I'm doing. You know I belong,

840
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: Maybe I belong. That fails back to me exactly, and

841
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: so I really appreciate that.

842
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: Even to this day. Man, I go, there is a

843
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: real thing. Because we're all in secure creators. It's like, dude,

844
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: we doubt ourselves and so to have people in the

845
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: room that are speaking that life.

846
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: I think it unlocks like the songs, because.

847
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: I think if you're like insecure and you're only thinking

848
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: about yourself, you're probably not going to be creative as

849
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: creative as you could be otherwise.

850
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,959
Speaker 2: So it's like shoot freeers. That's right, you know, Tyer,

851
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: You get where you're gonna shoot and lock up, you

852
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: get the yips. Oh yeah, golf kinda dang, live the yips.

853
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: My whole life is the yips.

854
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

855
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

856
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: The most excited I've ever been an Awards show is

857
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: when by Dirt won ever And I've been to a

858
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: bunch and been part of a bunch, but I mean,

859
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: you and your brother wrote that with Jordan his brother,

860
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: and obviously Jordan and I were very close, and I

861
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: was just like, come on, come on. I couldn't believe it,

862
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 2: but not in the way of like I couldn't believe

863
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: it because it shouldn't happen. I couldn't believe it because

864
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 2: it just felt like something that I wanted and something

865
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: that was that good. Surely it's not gonna win. What

866
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: did you think about going into that when that song

867
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: was was up for the CMA.

868
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: I think you just try to protect yourself a little bit, going, man,

869
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: getting the nomination is winning, which I believed to a degree, right,

870
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: I was like, you try to pad your expectation, but

871
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: you just you kind of go in a little even

872
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: you go in going, am I really here? Is this

873
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 1: really happened? The whole process you know, of that song,

874
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: how it was born, and the guys and the relational equity,

875
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: and then going to the all of the stuff and

876
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: then the awards, it just felt like we've already won,

877
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: like not in this since we've won the award, but

878
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: I go this is this to go here with my bro,

879
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: like the journey of this my wife and our journey

880
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: in Jacob and Jordan, And so I think I was

881
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: a little bit just patting my.

882
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: Expectation, being like we already won. Man, we're good. You know,

883
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: we tell these others told each other that.

884
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: My bro and I were like, we already went, we're here,

885
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: this is the win and we just had NSAI Awards

886
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: and we're like, man, and so you know, I think

887
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: you're trying to protect yourself, but yeah, when when it happened,

888
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: you're just like I just remember being like, oh my gosh,

889
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: like what is this even I don't even.

890
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: Know what I'm feeling. What were you listening for, bah

891
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: or Joh? I think the the ba from from from

892
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: Reva Yeah bye by Oh my god, that would have

893
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: been crazy. It was, dude.

894
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: It was like you're sitting there and you're like, oh God,

895
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: stand up. You're like, you know, you can't prepare for

896
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: moments where you're you're like you have that out of

897
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: body experience where you're like you're you're trying to soak

898
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: it in.

899
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: But it's such a big thing that it all felt.

900
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: And obviously we saw you back there and it was

901
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: just like we still were like, oh my gosh, it's great.

902
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: I rushed back there. I was I was with my

903
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: wife sitting and as soon as I went, I was like,

904
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: I gotta go. Yeah, and I was God, I was

905
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: so happy for you guys. That was the coolest moment. Well, man,

906
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: I we appreciate your love on it.

907
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: Man. It was if we felt it and it was

908
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: special for us in so many ways, and even outside

909
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: of being a hit or song of the year whatever,

910
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: it's like, words are great. It was like the soul

911
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: of the song and the journey it took us on

912
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: as brothers and friends and husbands and fathers and and

913
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: people like yourself supporting it.

914
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: Were like was the sweet spot. Sometimes people say stuff

915
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: like you know, brothers in love and I don't believe them.

916
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: I believe it with you. For some reason, I feel

917
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: like that like you're I feel like you're like very

918
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: grounded and respectful of why you're hearing, what you feel

919
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: you're supposed to do and how you're supposed to do it,

920
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: Like you're like country Buddha sitting next to you.

921
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: Is what it feels like, Bro, I'm I'm trying, man.

922
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: I think as a dad, and the journey of this

923
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: thing I've thought a lot about. I've had a lot

924
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: of internal you know, the thing is successful. The thing

925
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: success will do to you is it will reveal a

926
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: little of your motive. And I've had to recorrect and

927
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: not that we have bad motives, but it taught me

928
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: a lot to go okay at this point in my career. Actually,

929
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: Ben and I had this conversation about your buddy of ours.

930
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: He and part of this wisdom to me stuck with me.

931
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: He said, we're in the service.

932
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: Industry, which Ben Rector, Oh okay, got it, and it

933
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: blew my mind to go.

934
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: Okay, So much of our world, if we're not careful,

935
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: can be about I want to have a hit, I

936
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: want to be successful, I want to get a plaque.

937
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: I want to and then it becomes egocentric, and the

938
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: Alan Shamlin voice that comes into my head or the

939
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: Shane voice or whoever, is like, hey, that is not bad.

940
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: The place that I'm just fighting to be in and

941
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: live in and plant myself in is we create music

942
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: for people. And when I'm in that posture, going hey, man,

943
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: what song would be, whether it's fun or lighthearted, it's

944
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: a service injury of me in a benevolence, going like

945
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: I want to give a song to the world that

946
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: helps people or like makes them laugh or whatever. But

947
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: when I assume that posture and I redirect, like I

948
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: don't like awards, I don't like lights, like I don't

949
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: like giving. I don't like because to me, it tangles

950
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: up my ego and makes it just it distracts me,

951
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: And so I think from those things. I felt a

952
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: little bit of like having to pull away from that.

953
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: As sweet as awards are, I was like, man, what

954
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: I enjoy way more? And you know, I remember sitting

955
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: in a room with Mark D. Sanders, and he was like,

956
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: the best, the best it ever gets is the four walls,

957
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: man inside these four walls.

958
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: And I just had I'm just.

959
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: Recorrecting back to a place of like I gotta do

960
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: this for the I gotta go to a show and

961
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: I gotta feel people. And then I got to go

962
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: back and go, what is a song that they would

963
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: want to hear? When I'm in that stream, it's like

964
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: so fun. But when I think about, Josh, you need

965
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: another hit, you got a deal coming up?

966
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: What about?

967
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do your fancy? Like, I just

968
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: want to shrivel up in the corner and be like,

969
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not that good. I'm I'm better

970
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: at if you and I you're talking about your life

971
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: and you're like pour something out and like we'll write that.

972
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm better at that than going the calculated part of it.

973
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 1: So to answer to come back to all of that, it's.

974
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: A country Buddha. Like You've been called that never, but

975
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: I will I will take that. You's word of the badge, dude,

976
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: I will create a tech a literal badge country Buddha,

977
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: Country Buddha. Has there ever been a song called pour

978
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: Something Out, but it feels like you're it's the double meaning, right,

979
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: you guys are great at it. Pour something out and

980
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: it's pour something out. It's like well lick, except it's not.

981
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: It's it's opening up. Yeah, Hey, we'll treat for me

982
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: to you. We should write it. You don't want me

983
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: writing now? You don't want me writing? Hey?

984
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 3: You no, no, Hey, Let's take a quick pause for

985
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 3: a message from our sponsor.

986
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,879
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987
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: Wasn't supposed to be a duo. What do you call it? Collaboration?

988
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: They only sing to each other. But you know, when

989
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: you guys write that song, was it a Jordan song

990
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 2: when you finished? Or did you guys all write and go,

991
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: let's just write the best song and we'll see what happens.

992
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: I think we were where we were, you know, And

993
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: truly to your point when you say people love each other.

994
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: I love those boys man, obviously, my bros, my best

995
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: I love him deeply, the dearest friend that I could

996
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: ever have, you know. And but meeting Jacob and Jordan,

997
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: and Jacob was still doing his artist thing. Jordan like,

998
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: wasn't even when we were writing with Jacob. We hadn't

999
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: even met Jordan, and then Jordan comes in and start

1000
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: doing his artist thing and just developing.

1001
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: So there was so much.

1002
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: There was a culmination of relationship that led to that

1003
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: moment we were outside of town. I remember the morning

1004
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: we were sitting outside with the coffee talking about fathers

1005
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: and husbands and some of our shortcomings and and that song.

1006
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: If we would have written that song in a national

1007
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: writing room, it not would have been what it would

1008
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: have not been what it was. It was in a way,

1009
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: it felt preserved for a moment that we were vulnerable

1010
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: about life. And then we were start talking about our

1011
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: grandpas and that song happened, and immediately it felt like

1012
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: a Jordan song.

1013
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: To me.

1014
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: It felt like, hey, this is personal to us all.

1015
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: But like I said earlier, like I don't think any

1016
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: of us were, like we knew we loved it. But

1017
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: that's I was doing the demo later, going like all

1018
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: I know is when I listen, I feel my hair

1019
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: on my arm stand up, and I go, that is

1020
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: the indicator to me that we now have to surrender

1021
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: it to the world.

1022
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: But I can't.

1023
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: I know that we've done our part because I believe

1024
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: in what we're saying, and so it always felt like

1025
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: a Jordan song to me. You know, at that point

1026
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: in his career, it was a different flavor for him

1027
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: from coming off some of the other stuff. So it

1028
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: was it was like almost broadening what he does a

1029
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: little bit. What was You're right it Okay, it's Jordan's

1030
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: gonna cut it. Then it's Jordan's cutting it.

1031
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: But Luke's what was that? How did that go? Kind

1032
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: of walk me through that. Yeah, we had written, it

1033
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: had been cut, and anybody cut it before Jordan. No,

1034
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: we didn't even pitch it. Really.

1035
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: Jordan's like, I'm cutting this and then you know, I

1036
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: had done the demo. I was like, it needs I

1037
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: need to make it sound like a single. So I

1038
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: like done it up and it you know, it does

1039
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: all the try to add energy to it. And then

1040
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: Paul di Giovanni, his producer, in a masterful way, was

1041
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: like not stripping it all back and he kept it small.

1042
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: And I remember Jordan playing us the version and being like, Okay,

1043
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: it sounds like we're laid back, and Paul's like, trust me,

1044
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: I think this will serve the song best.

1045
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: And at that point Jordan's like, I think I'm gonna

1046
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 2: send it to Luke.

1047
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: I think we may like And then he had sent it,

1048
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: and then he kind of communicated a little bit of

1049
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: the response, and I think at that point, you know,

1050
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: you go, Luke Bryan, You're like, oh my gosh, like

1051
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: this is all of us were like, holy smokes, this

1052
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: is crazy. And it was really cool to hear his

1053
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: voice on it because it felt like something, you know,

1054
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: it felt true to who he is. It wasn't like

1055
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: he was trying to be anything other than he was,

1056
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: so it was beautiful and honestly, at that point Jordan

1057
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: and Luke kind of formed a friendship that was cool

1058
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: to see.

1059
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: As well. Give me the formula which doesn't exist, but

1060
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 2: it does, of writing a hit song. I mean my formula,

1061
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: the Nashville formula to write a hit song. What's the

1062
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: Nashville formula?

1063
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, A memorable melody, I think a hook that

1064
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: is clever. Sometimes, well, it depends you can go the

1065
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: heart route. You need to find a song that is

1066
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: so such a freight train of emotion that is crafted

1067
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: in such a way that you can't that you feel

1068
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: lost in it. You forget you're listening to the house

1069
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: that built me those kind of songs, or.

1070
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: What do you have ninety minutes? You only have ninety

1071
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: minutes to write a hit song? What's that formula? Find

1072
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: a catchy hook? Whistles and claps.

1073
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: I'm going whistles and claps. I'm going, I'm going somebody

1074
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: give me a vulnerable title. If we don't have it,

1075
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: we're going whistles and claps. I'm gonna see if we

1076
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: can't find something, I call it fabric.

1077
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: I go, what you know?

1078
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: Music comes in and out. And there's an old obviously

1079
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: uh author that said this. You know you want you

1080
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: want something to have enough thing on it that you

1081
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: says it just slightly like you haven't heard it. Because

1082
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: we're so used, especially now, so much content. What's gonna

1083
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: hit you in a way? We go, Oh, I'm gonna

1084
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: listen to that.

1085
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: Is it a voice? Is it a production? Is it

1086
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: a progression? Is it a melody? Is it a hook?

1087
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: So I would go, what are where is our secret sauce?

1088
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, that's our secret sauce.

1089
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: Let's whistles and claps and and then we'll find a

1090
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: way to get to that to where you hear it

1091
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: and you go, that's the fabric on that's gonna grab

1092
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: you a little bit, because that, to me, what we

1093
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: want when people hear a song is them to go,

1094
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: I want to hear it again, And so like, what

1095
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: kind of fabric are we putting in it to grab

1096
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: a hole of you. It's like if it goes down

1097
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: so smooth, you don't remember anything about it, then, So

1098
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: I would say ninety minutes. So I would do a

1099
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: quick survey of what heart songs we have and if

1100
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: they're if you said it, I have heart like a truck,

1101
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm going we're writing that song.

1102
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: I know how to do that.

1103
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: Probably wouldn't have written it as good as they did,

1104
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: but I will try. But I know that, like you

1105
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: can weave in a little bit of the heart with

1106
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: what Nashville does, which is the metaphor, which is beautiful

1107
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: song length.

1108
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: It's a bit of an issue now they just edit

1109
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: them down. And again I'm not directly involved what radio

1110
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 2: or satellite radio does, but I know they like to

1111
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: songs to be shorts. They move on to the next one.

1112
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: You know, when we were younger, you could have a

1113
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,479
Speaker 2: four and a half minute so I know you can't

1114
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: do that anymore. If you're writing the grade and it's long,

1115
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: You're like, well, what are we going to cut out?

1116
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: Like do we need to cut the bridge in half?

1117
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: Do we need? Is that always on your mind? Like

1118
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 2: how long the song is? Or do you wait till

1119
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: it's over to make that decision?

1120
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: I kind of wait and I go to me, it's

1121
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: just like a feeling. I go, Okay, this feels appropriate.

1122
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: If they want a shorten it, they will. You know,

1123
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: we're not going to write a bridge.

1124
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: I don't need it.

1125
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: But I normally I go, how do we preserve? To

1126
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: me a song with hell? And that sounds so wacky,

1127
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: like a song will tell you. But so a lot

1128
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: of times I go, it feels complete, Like it feels

1129
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: like if we pull that out, that just feels incomplete.

1130
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: So like, let's deliver it complete.

1131
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: And if they come back and say, hey we need

1132
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: a trim it, granted, if you're making a five minute song,

1133
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: you're going like, hey, i'll make a five minute song.

1134
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: We just got to know that maybe they'll cut it,

1135
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: but maybe it'll be track seventeen whatever you know, you may,

1136
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: but I'd like even the single thing. The more I

1137
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: think about that, I go, I just don't want to

1138
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: miss a song because I'm trying to think about a

1139
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: radio song. I go, I would rather I'd rather have

1140
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: a song that feels like a five minute song that

1141
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: people go have you heard that song on the record,

1142
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: And they'd be like, well, maybe it's not a single.

1143
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: Then go like have to cut everything down. I want

1144
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: to do best and worst. The best thing about the

1145
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: music industry now and what's the most difficult, what's the

1146
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: worst thing? Hmm.

1147
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: The best thing about the music business now is I

1148
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: think it's fractured in a positive way where the structures

1149
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: of songs finding their way or artists finding their way

1150
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: has fractured in a way where I feel like there's

1151
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: a hour shift. And as a songwriter, what I want

1152
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: to see with my friends that are artists is their

1153
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: ability to get music out and have some level of

1154
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: control of that process. And you're seeing with technology obviously

1155
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: that that is. I've seen people that don't have anything

1156
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: going that are friends that connect and build an audience

1157
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: outside of a label structure. I love labels, but I go, man,

1158
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: it's nice to see that. I get excited about that

1159
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: because as a creator, I go and I can write

1160
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: with you and we can get stuff going and you

1161
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: can connect and build something and it doesn't have to

1162
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: be well I'm going to go I've got to go

1163
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,959
Speaker 1: the traditional route, and then if radio doesn't work.

1164
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: We don't have a plan.

1165
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: It's like, to me, that is beautiful and also complicated,

1166
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: because without radio, what a songwriters make money on?

1167
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: So snowballing off of that.

1168
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: It's the most optimistic I have been about seeing songs

1169
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: connect with people and people build fan bases. It's the

1170
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: most confused I've been about how do we as songwriters.

1171
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: We have fifty million streams on a song, but we're

1172
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: not making any money, and I'm seeing careers take off

1173
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: and without a radio and labels are tentative to work singles.

1174
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: You know, I have friends that are like, have songs

1175
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: that have a ton of streams that they don't get

1176
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: a single on. And so as writers are going like, man,

1177
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: I want to show up every day and do this

1178
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: because I love it.

1179
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 2: But how do we do this? You know?

1180
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: You know there's some sort of we're edging towards a

1181
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: better solution. So I would say, batter the best and worst.

1182
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: Maybe complicated at the moment.

1183
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: Where can the most growth happen? Right now?

1184
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: I think the most growth could happen if this is

1185
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: a long shot, but this is speaking as a songwriter.

1186
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: The ecosystem of music needs to I think needs to

1187
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: be recalibrated in a way where songwriters can have some

1188
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: level of benefit from songs not being on radio. And

1189
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a weird world when it's

1190
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: like a baseball reference. It's like, man, every time you

1191
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: get up to the plate, you have to at home run.

1192
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: You're like, dude, I don't know if I could do that.

1193
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: I think sometimes the idea that a writer is going

1194
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: to get and it get hits and so everything below

1195
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: that food chain is not sustainable. To me, seems like

1196
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: the whole ecosystem is suffering because of that foundation is

1197
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: not set. So I look at all my friends and

1198
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: I go, man, there's got to be a way to

1199
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: include songwriters. If it's included on the mo be awesome.

1200
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: If some big artist was like, hey, dude, you know what,

1201
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: we're going to cut a deal. We have power with

1202
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: the labels, like we're going to cut a deal and

1203
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: we're going to give a ten percent of the masters

1204
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: split between the writers. Like, to me, it's hard to

1205
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: get that because it's not a norm at the moment,

1206
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: But I go, that would be a game changer, And

1207
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: then the ecosystem all thrives because now you're writing songs,

1208
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: not trying to get a number one, but you're writing

1209
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: songs because you love them, because you and I both

1210
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: know right now a lot of songs that are working

1211
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: don't fit the traditional radio format.

1212
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: And I go, man, I want to write.

1213
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: I want to go into a room and think about

1214
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,479
Speaker 1: a five minute song and what if it gets fifty

1215
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: million streams but it's never a number one. I'm like,

1216
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: what if we had access to any sort of ownership

1217
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: on a master that the I go, then the ecosystem,

1218
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: and I honestly think the main objective that I see

1219
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: from that is not songwriters making a living. It is

1220
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: songs getting better because writers aren't writing songs trying to

1221
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: make something that fits in this space.

1222
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: And I go when that happens, I know a lot

1223
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: of my friends man right, going, well, it's not for radio? What?

1224
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: And I go, but no, what is in you? It's

1225
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: beautiful and fearless and brave.

1226
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: I want to hear that song. I like, I don't

1227
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: need to hear your three and a half minute beer song.

1228
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: That's cool, give me your song. It's like the deep cut, Like,

1229
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: that's the one I want, and I go. I think

1230
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: more than ever people have an appetite for it. Writers

1231
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: are scared to go there because they don't think they'll

1232
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: make money, and I go, okay, let's figure that out.

1233
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: So that would be a thing where I go, God,

1234
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: that would and not just as a songwriter. I think

1235
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: the ecosystem then benefits. It would set a precedent.

1236
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: If one one and a half major artists yep did it,

1237
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: it would set a precedent. YEP. Now that's a lot

1238
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: of sacrifice from everybody that owns I mean ten percents

1239
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: a lot. But it would absolutely change the game. I've

1240
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: often thought, and again this is just a cock maamy idea.

1241
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: And I'll relate it to like the podcast network that

1242
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: I have, and I've got six seven shows. And if

1243
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: this show, this show does really well, this podcast here

1244
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: does tons and tons of streams, and it makes a

1245
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: really good amount of money. But what happens is I

1246
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 2: make the money, but there's all We'll just give it

1247
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: a number. Twenty percent of that streams down to the

1248
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: other shows in the network automatically, so everybody who kills

1249
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 2: it kills it, but we root for everybody because if

1250
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: I kill it, Carolina Hobby makes a little money off

1251
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: of it, Amy makes a little if Amy kills it.

1252
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: I'm so what if you did that sort of system

1253
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: on a we'll call it a project, an EP and LP.

1254
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: So whatever song, let's just call it song number two,

1255
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: Oh blur, my favorite song back in the day. It

1256
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: crushes and gets a billion streams and gets played on

1257
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: the radio, And well, that song there should be like

1258
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 2: a you say ten percent of the masters, what about

1259
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen percent of like a profit share type

1260
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: thing for all the music on that project. So the

1261
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: artist is also picking songs that they are passionate about

1262
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: as well as songs that they think will be hits.

1263
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 2: And it gives people a reason to write wonderful songs

1264
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: and hit songs, because you can't just write all wonderful

1265
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: songs all the time, because you know what, you gotta

1266
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: pay the bills, that's right, and art is only worth

1267
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 2: anything as far as money goes as people buy it.

1268
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: If not, you're gonna be van go and die and

1269
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: then you're gonna get famous. So I always felt like

1270
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 2: there was a profit share on a project type. Man,

1271
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: that's a model, not a lot. All it takes is

1272
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: a little All it takes is just a section ten

1273
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: to fifteen percent of the profit that dribbles into everything.

1274
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 2: But everything else dribbles back up into that too. That way,

1275
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: everybody makes a little something. Man, you can have that too. Amen,

1276
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: pour something out and you can have that model. Country

1277
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 2: Buddha gonna change change the game.

1278
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm just I think I feel optimistic. I think we're

1279
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: in a place where Yeah, me too, I think we're

1280
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: headed towards growth in a lot of ways that I

1281
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: go it's going to be good for not only songwriters,

1282
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: but the whole thing.

1283
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree content just in general, songs, you don't

1284
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: you don't have to be anything to have a song

1285
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: and build an audience. You don't have to be anything. No,

1286
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 2: you don't have to be anywhere. It's great to be places,

1287
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 2: and it helps the times to be places, for sure.

1288
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: It helps to have a label, It helps to get

1289
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 2: ready to play at times, it helps to get playlisted.

1290
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 2: But if you're not that for sure doesn't mean you

1291
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: can't do it. You just have to have something that

1292
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: works it and that people that resonates with folks and

1293
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: if you can do that, it's the first time I

1294
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 2: think in my life i've seen that happen. If you're

1295
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: just good, and you're good consistently, it's it's going to exist.

1296
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: And that excites me. I'm with you, man, Even about content,

1297
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 2: it excites me because it used to be Well, if

1298
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: you don't have a major radio station or screw that,

1299
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 2: get you a microphone. It's going to be hard. It

1300
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: would be easier to be put on all these markets. Sure,

1301
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 2: but get your box record it. And if you're so compelling,

1302
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: sure you're starting from a detriment, but if it's so compelling,

1303
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: you're gonna be in the game. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah,

1304
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: I agree.

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00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: And I think even early band days, I god, well

1306
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: we didn't have Instagram until you know, a little later.

1307
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: But I go, all of the tools to get to people,

1308
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: I go. I tell my friends, now I go. You

1309
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: can't be too precious with any sort of technology. You

1310
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: just use it as a way that you get access

1311
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: to people. They may not react, but like you said,

1312
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: the ability to connect is there. You just you gotta

1313
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 1: be great and you gotta be consistent, like you said.

1314
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 2: And so I'm with you, man. I love that I

1315
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: love that.

1316
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: There's it's things can catch fire and go and then

1317
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: and I don't I love labels, but I go, I

1318
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: like that like they have to then go what we

1319
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: didn't think that. I go, that's good for the business.

1320
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: It's good that like sometimes you don't know. Sometimes Joe

1321
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: Smow from wherever that plays on a guitar in his

1322
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 1: bedroom has more streams than your artist that it's on radio,

1323
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: And I go, that's good for music.

1324
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 2: That's how music should be. It's a little bit of

1325
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: the wild West. I feel enlightened. I'm be honest with you.

1326
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: I feel country unlightened. Dud. I'm gonna carry that with me.

1327
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: He should. I'm gonna carry with me too, out of here.

1328
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 2: What's the goal? That's a very vague, broad question, purposefully,

1329
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: but what's the goal I'm chasing.

1330
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm chasing purpose amidst a business that is built on

1331
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: being commercial and successful on radio. So I'm trying to

1332
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: the goal for me at this point is looking inward

1333
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: and trying to chase the songs that I want to write.

1334
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: And they're not ones that come I know. To get

1335
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: to the songs I want to write takes a unique

1336
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: path because I want to write diddies and uptempo and

1337
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: they don't have to be slow. But this, like I said,

1338
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: mentors I have in the songs I'm trying to get to,

1339
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: I go, I'm gonna have to do a little bit

1340
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: of I can't be chasing success. So that's the next

1341
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: chapter for me, is going, Okay, we've had some we've

1342
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: got the monkey off the back, dig into your soul

1343
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: and dig into tune into the world, and go what

1344
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: needs to be said and how are you going to

1345
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: chase and pursue those ideas? That is your purpose going forward.

1346
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: It's not to go I personally to each his own.

1347
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: My objective is not I want to make a living

1348
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: doing this because I have four kids, But I go, God,

1349
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: it's better when I feel connected to the purpose and

1350
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: not just go like I want to go have a

1351
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: bunch of hits.

1352
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 2: I want to do that.

1353
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: I want to have songs that work to make money,

1354
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: to provide for my family and my life. But ultimately,

1355
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: the most satisfying thing is hopefully writing a song that

1356
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: says something and green reve ordinance. That's right, what's up,

1357
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: it's coming. We're gonna We're gonna do a reunion show.

1358
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: Another one in the in the spring, and once again

1359
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: I go, I think there was a period of our

1360
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: career that I was like, we're thinking about you're thinking

1361
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: about what do people want to hear? Versus Hey, this

1362
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: is what I want to say. We created backwards, Well

1363
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: we need to what do people want to hear? Let's

1364
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: create And I think I'm back to a place of going,

1365
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: let's just tell the truth. And so so I'm excited

1366
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: about that as a thirty eight year old going, let's

1367
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: just make some music that feels truthful to us, as

1368
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: thirty eight year olds that have been through marriages falling

1369
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: apart and valleys and mountains, and let's put some stuff

1370
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: in a thing. And just like you have said, let's

1371
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: we have the ability to connect, why wouldn't we do

1372
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: this even if there's a couple of thousand people that

1373
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: it starts a conversation with and you get that email

1374
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: and you've had it with your show and everything that

1375
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: you do. It's like when someone hits you it said, men,

1376
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: thank you for what you do, like you have helped me,

1377
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: or hey man, this song is our daughter's song, or

1378
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 1: what you said on that joke whatever. It's like those

1379
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: kind of trickle down valuable things on a soul level

1380
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: or go I want to engage in those conversations, and

1381
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: not not in an ego way, but in a way

1382
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: where I go, man, why not?

1383
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 2: I like it? I like I like you, and I'll

1384
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: end with that. It's pretty, it's pretty astute, it's pretty.

1385
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 2: I like you. I'll take it. Yeah, we have, you know,

1386
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: a lot of mutual friends. Yeah, I've been a big

1387
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 2: fan of you for a long time, but before I

1388
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: knew you, and I don't feel like I know you

1389
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 2: know you now, but I we've met, and yeah, we

1390
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: definitely have mutual friends. So I am a big fan.

1391
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: Good luck, man. I know the New Jordan's song too Soon,

1392
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: Too Late is now on the chart, and for your sake,

1393
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't become a hit. Well, I hope

1394
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: it's just an art song that people related to. Oh no,

1395
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 2: you don't want that, I know. Here's the deal we

1396
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: thread about. I said I got to make a living

1397
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: if I was getting equity.

1398
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: Shit.

1399
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 2: No, but it's that's the song that I love. And yeah,

1400
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding you know, I'm messing with you. It's

1401
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: just an easy one, easy, all right, you guys follow

1402
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: we told you at the beginning of this Josh C.

1403
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: Jenkins on Instagram Josh Jenkins music dot com A huge fan.

1404
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: Good luck and I'll see you at the next CMA's

1405
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: or wherever you're getting your awards. Thanks pretty cool, I

1406
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production