WEBVTT - 83: Dickinson Theories 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:08.000 Welcome to Nightcall, a production of My Heart Radio. It's 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:34.559 eleven PM in Amherst, Massachusetts, and you're listening Tonightcall. Hello, 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.520 and welcome Tonight Call, a podcast for your strange days 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.520 and lonely nights. My name is Emily Oshida. I am 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:42.960 here in Los Angeles, and with me as always are 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:48.519 Molly Lambert and tes Lynch. Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello. There 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.040 are so many mysteries right now on the Internet. I 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:53.760 feel like I feel like this episode is going to 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:58.920 be conspiracy heavy. Is a mystery heavy episode mystery podcast theater. 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.080 I have been so like puzzled, and I like, I 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:05.479 don't even I wanted to come to today's episode like 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.319 with all the answers about this particular case and like 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.280 ready to just like explain it all. But the deeper 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.000 I go into it, the less sense it makes. So 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.440 under the Silver Lake, I was under the Silver Lake. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:23.360 I was under the Crazy Lake, Crazy days, the days 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:28.560 and lakes. Um so a couple of weeks ago, yeah 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:33.840 it was October tenth or yeah, um I don't know. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:35.880 We we we talked about crazy days and nights a lot 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.520 on this podcast. But the Blind Item webs Blind Item Website, 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:44.160 it's super shanky, uh we too to maybe out of 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.560 few of us love it. Um, I don't know. I 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.280 feel like it's just been like a staple of mine 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.120 for a long time. A bunch of things from it 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.520 came true, it turned out to be true. It became 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:57.440 freshly relevant within the last couple of years, particularly around um, 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.640 some stories about Harvey Weinstein and now some Epstein stories. Um, 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:06.720 so you know it's uh yeah, it's a resource, but 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.480 unverifiable resource. I hate it so much. I want to 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.640 bite my tongue and just let you guys have fun. 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.760 But it has the tone of this website is very 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.560 difficult for me. It's run by a man. Well, formerly 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.519 we thought it was run by a man. We took 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.760 him at his word that his name was empty and 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:30.359 entertainment lawyer. How many divorces for he has like this 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.800 very kind of cheeky sort of mythology. Or was like 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.240 I weigh three hundred pounds and I've had four wives, 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.000 and I eat bacon all day and I live in 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.120 a basement. Yeah, I live in my parents. I thought 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.919 that was like mocking what people must think of him, 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.240 But then there there have been profiles of him that 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.239 are like and he is Yeah, Like I mean, I 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.320 I feel like it's not even verified though that he 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:55.280 lives in Los Angeles, right, Okay, So that's so, so 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.520 we have to go we have to go back first 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:02.160 to have him him mythology. So and he has a 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.359 source um or like a group of sources called known 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.240 as him with four MS, and they are a group 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:14.639 supposedly of four men um three of whom are like 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.280 celebrities whose names you would recognize, apparently who are friends. 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.760 And they started off as commenters on the website and 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.480 a lot of people thought when they thought it was 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.920 one person, they thought it was Robert Downey Jr. And 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.960 this was like a kind of and this is kind 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.000 of keeps being a thing like people like when when 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:34.280 I think there was one him blind item about like 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.960 an Avenger's star dropping out and he's like, oh good 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.280 for you, Alreadie J. Like I mean, there's just there's 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.880 that continues to be like a um. This person presents 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.360 himself as somebody who's like a Hollywood insider who like 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.520 is raised in Los Angeles, has been around for a 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.880 while for a long time, knows everybody from like not 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.760 only the current generation, but like knows old Hollywood concept 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.440 as well passed on through the ages, and I guess 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.760 like it does sort of. I mean, if you could 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.200 think of a star of that age range and profile, 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.080 I guess like Robert Downey Jr. Is easier to imagine 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:10.240 than most people like indulging, and like indulgence people's fantasy 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:15.080 that he would be very smart, right, So yeah, I 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.200 think he's I don't know if anyone asked him directly. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.640 They have and he like kind of was coy about it, 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:21.159 but I think I don't think he also seems like 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.039 somebody who would be coy about it, and he was 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.760 enjoying the fact that people thought it was him. Um anyway, 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:31.120 so that started like in him him came onto the 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:36.040 sea dance scene. Um. And then this this past month, uh, 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:40.960 and he announced that one of the hymns had committed suicide. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.400 And apparently it was the one who was like not famous, 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:48.040 but the one who wrote most of the blinds, like 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.960 the one who was kind of the direct contact and 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:55.039 so people were, you know, uh, pouring one out for 0:04:55.200 --> 0:05:00.200 him number four and etcetera. And then this guy who 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:06.120 goes by John Doe, UM, not John Doe from x UM, 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.640 just a John doe with a series of numbers. Who 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.240 I guess it's just like an anti fanboy started to 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:18.320 like do some digging and had a theory that the 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.880 hymns were all made up and that they were not 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:28.240 ever vetted by Anti or Anti willingly and knowingly just 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.480 like let them tell these bullshit stories online, um and 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.760 and pretend like basically that it was a group fan 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.039 fiction effort or no, that there wasn't even a group, Shepherd, 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.520 it was one guy the whole time who was just 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.599 like making like playing the role of this Hollywood insider 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:49.320 I knew dirt somewhere else, like, uh oh wait, I 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.680 have to find this guy. By the way, it bears mentioning. 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.160 Even though it probably is obvious that there have been 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.440 a number of things that Crazy Days and Nights has 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.480 predicted correctly, I would argue there have been more that 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:04.839 have been not proven. People say it is a mixture 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.400 of the true and the untrue in order to like 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.240 not get sued. Sure, that makes lots of sense. I 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.839 don't think so at all. I mean this is it's 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.440 clearly I read blind item sites a lot, and uh, 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.320 it's the same with all of them. They will predict 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.920 things that don't happen, And um, it's actually if we 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.720 ran a blind item site, I guarantee that we could 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:31.840 accurately predict several scandalous things like astrology. It's a mixture 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:37.039 of astrology. Yeah, but also there. I mean to me, 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.520 the purpose of blind item sites and things like that 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:44.200 is to like air out gossip that would not be 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.520 able to be vetted into a real magazine. And if 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.080 you like, if you're saying like, oh, but like the 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.240 real news are report on it anyway, Like look at 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.440 how the Harvey Weinstein story did play out, because he 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.080 just paid off every newspaper and magazine and crushed every 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.359 story about it, like made it so that if it 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.200 doesn't happen in print, it didn't happen, which is how 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.880 a lot of abusive things work. There are also ones 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:11.320 that haven't come to light. For instance, Um, a Nickelodeon 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.800 personality who yeah, who's been talked about for years in 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.480 blind that's just like an open secret. It isn't open. 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.800 I mean, that's that's I think the best certain Even 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.080 Nickelodeon when they fired him, they said it was for 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.320 something else exactly. They said it was like, oh, we're 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.200 just having a new creative regime, so you know, until 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.400 somebody accuses this person my name, which I think some 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:36.080 people have. Uh. That's the thing is, it's like what 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.520 if they sue you for falsely, you know, claiming something 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.760 you can't prove. And if you're curious what we're talking about, 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.280 you can go ahead and search Nickelodeon feet and then 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.040 you can immediately know exactly what we are talking about. 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.800 So some people think that this means that anti themselves 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:54.120 are scam and not actually knowledgeable, maybe not even in 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:58.000 l A. Well, this guy John Doe, who like kind 0:07:58.000 --> 0:07:59.920 of went on this Twitter tear and like started to 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.960 line up the evidence for why him was a lie, uh, 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.640 then deleted all of his posts and it's like now 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.920 having a meltdown on Twitter, and he's like, I'm not 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.800 being threatened by by crazy days and nights. And there's 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.120 another thing too, which is like I don't know how 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.880 far this person specifically went into Q and on, but 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:22.400 they were kind of like facing the limit, like they 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.440 you know, the pedophile ring stuff and the like sexual 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.360 abuse stuff ring that is true, but then there's also 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.040 things that aren't true, like people wear red shoes to 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.840 show that they're a pedophile, and so all these people thought, 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.160 like Christy Teagan was a pedophile because she wore red 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.760 shoes on a show, and that like gets circulated. It's 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.160 just like, well, I don't know how much that him 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.600 stuff was getting into like The Q and on, Like, 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.720 I feel like that was kind of the John Doe 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.480 gu I was definitely like on that edge, I think, 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.160 and a lot of his followers were sort of more 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.600 of like the Q and on Variety. I would say, um, 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.560 and I think that I think the reason he started 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.120 to get a lot of backlash and like delete at 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.760 everything is just like when you are looking into somebody, 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.240 like I mean, I think this guy actually did commute suicide. 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.520 Whoever this was, I think people like figured out who 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.960 it was. I mean, I you can find his I 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.559 continue the link to his obituary, and he lived in Virginia, 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.280 and he appeared to just he had like one IMDb credit, 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.360 So he worked in Hollywood for some short amount of 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.720 time in the nineties and apparently didn't have any involvement 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.679 in show business anymore. Um, and I'm not sure if 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.240 it's like a kind of thing where he like kind 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.240 of always had this itch and still wanted to like 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.599 play the role of an insider or like, but it 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.120 goes back to an old thing, which is like, don't 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.360 take people on the internet at face value, yeah, or 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.800 like you know, and like because somebody has an avatar 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.360 that it's like a picture of that person, and there 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.600 are needs of like smart talented people who are good 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.040 at writing and telling stories, who are unemployed in that realm, 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.200 men who can pretend to be whoever they want on 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.920 the internet. Pretty well, my question is this as someone 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.520 who doesn't know that I know the big A six, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:05.079 you know the foundational information. But so basically, do you 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:09.680 guys think that Empty is a singular person with inside knowledge? 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:14.520 Do you think that Anty was him? Also? Do you 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.640 think that him that all of the hymns were one guy? 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.040 I think my current theory and I have nothing to 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:23.800 back this is just the sense that I get is 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:27.280 that Empty is not actually an entertainment lawyer, but he 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.599 probably has some connections to the industry and is like 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:34.240 an aggregator of gossip. That's what I think too. I 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.720 think that people send blind items and tips to Empty 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.360 because they've established themselves is like the place where you 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.040 can get those kinds of blind items and tips run. 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.240 So I think people do say like, hey, this person 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.880 did this, and then he like frames it as a 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.720 blind item. Um. A lot of them are true. A 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.920 lot of the old Hollywood ones are. If they were 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.760 fan fiction, it would be sort of like tediously written 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.600 and overly specific. Guy is one of those that you're 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:06.360 referring to. Is that James Dean the last year, Well, 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.000 one of the him I think it was a him. 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:12.200 One that was the Natalie would one that was like 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.240 a couple of years. I don't remember what was that one? 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:19.640 Um that was that that she fell off the boat 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.760 and like there was a chance to rescue her and 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.800 nobody did, like like this whole like altercation that broke 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.480 out and everything. It was just like a narrative of 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.440 what happened to that. We'll never know that one. Yeah, 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.120 and it's one of these. It's also one of these 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:34.680 things that it's like, well, there's no way to prove 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.040 that now, probably like Christopher walking still a lot. No, Yeah, 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.280 that's that's what he was asleep, according to him. But 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.440 he said that that's a story that he started talking. 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.000 He started talking, apparently that's that's that's part of the 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:51.240 blind item. Yeah, I mean I read him also wrote 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.400 in sort of a different style from empty they write 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:57.280 in this really I hate the hymn. I almost don't 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.000 ever need the him I ran, They ran a really 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:05.160 really good like extended one after uh, Peter Fonda died 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.559 that claimed that, um, that Peter Fonda had told him 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.040 this story. And I do think that there are like 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.800 stories that guys like that have told everybody that like, 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.360 now that they're dead, you can publish them. Um. This 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.080 story was that they like arranged for all the bikes 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.400 to be stolen during Easy Riders so that they could 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:25.000 get the insurance money to finish making Easy Writer, which 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.120 job the bikes were stolen from Easy Riders, So I 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.280 do believe that that's what happened. Um. And then there 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:32.920 was like a second part of that story that involved 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.320 Michelle Phillips going to Howard Hughes and asking for a 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.880 loan to help her friends finish their movie. And then 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.160 she said, yes, I also believe Michelle Phillips could get 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:47.280 anything out of anything, So um, yeah, I mean interesting 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.960 that And again you're just like, it feels it could 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.960 be all made up, who knows, but it does feel specific, 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.320 and uh, it just feels like a tour ducan of 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.400 like bule faking, like it is like insider knowledge. It's 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.679 just because it's like a commentator on a blog that 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.160 might not even be real. Like, it's just it's very um, 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.760 it's a it's a real rabbit hole. Yeah, first let's 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.680 take a break, and then when we come back, let's 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:20.440 take a Nicall this sounds good, Welcome back to Nightcall. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:24.560 We have a nightcall that we wanted to take about 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.839 horror movies because it's still a spooky season. Spooky season 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:34.600 has just started. It's always spooky season now, she said, disdainfully. 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:38.800 We have always been here. Hey, I am a fan 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.560 of the show, and I posted a question in the 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:47.360 Night Colors group that I wanted to ask you, folks, um, 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.680 do you have any recommendations for easing into horror movies. 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:56.680 My background is I was raised in a pretty restrictive 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.920 religious environment where we were told that if we watched 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:05.320 movies with any kind of demonic or the ratistic element 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.400 in them, then we had a good chance of getting 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.720 attacked by demons. And so in that environment, I really 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:18.719 didn't get any exposure to horror movies beyond like the Birds. Um. 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.000 Later on, I started watching some zombie movies when I 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:26.000 kind of got out of that religious environment. But I'm 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.120 still really scared of horror, and I still kind of 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.080 have this visceral like fear reaction where I can't bring 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:36.280 myself to even look at the screen. So, um, I've 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.600 got really good recommendations, but um, it was suggested to 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:45.720 call into the show to also get everybody's take on, um, 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.600 maybe what movies I could start with to start to 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.680 get more comfortable with seeing horror on screen. So I 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.520 would love to hear anything you might recommend, and I 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.160 will add it to my homework. Thank you, Thank you 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:02.360 so much for the call. Um do you guys? I 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.320 mean I'm the bed. I'm a bad personally. I have 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.320 one idea, but I want to hear yours because I'm 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.760 such the wrong person to answer this question. I like 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:14.600 gentle horror, the gentle, the gentle horror. I've been watching 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.440 a lot of like thirties and forties horror, which I 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.760 think is a good place to start. Squeamish. Yeah, like 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.760 universal monster movie. Universal monster movies are all really good. 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.240 It's like Dracula. I'm just going to name a bunch 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.680 of monsters. I was going to suggest the Francis for 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:34.640 Coppola Dracula because it's just more of like a gothic 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.120 spook fest, but it's just like, yeah, it's it's super goth. 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:42.720 It's like it's scary, but it's more just like gushing 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.760 rivers of blood type scary. Like it's not like, but 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.840 if rivers of blood or not your thing? Are they not? 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:54.120 Who's who's whose thing? Isn't rivers of blood nude to horror? Well, 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:55.760 but I just don't think that that's scary in the 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:59.200 same way that like The Exorcist is scary in the 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.120 facebook she has for exposure therapy. And I actually was like, 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.880 maybe you could just jump in with the Exorcist and 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.520 then you know, everything else would be easy. But I 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:13.000 said Poltergeist and Rosemary's Baby because they both have so 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.520 much so much plot. Like poulter Geist, for instance, is 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.640 great because it's just funny at parts and like and 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.440 it's it's making fun of yuppies. The yuppies are like 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.920 the real bad people when you kind of think about it, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.920 so then it's like, if you're scared of yuppies, you 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.560 get to think about that. Um. But I thought Poulter 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.120 Guys was like a good entree. Yeah, pulter Geist is 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.240 a good pick, and Rosemary's Baby I just love because 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.400 it's funny. But I also obviously it's a tricky one 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.560 to recommend. Yeah, the demonic thing. It's like Rosemary's Baby 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.880 and Exorcist or two, like first just perfect movies outside 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.880 of genre, and then but they also are very much 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:52.480 like like if you have grown up like actually believing 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.960 in demons of Satan and stuff like that, then like 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.840 that might not be the best, but in a way, 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:02.200 in a way to jump into the deep end. I 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.639 also said It Follows because It Follows has such a 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.199 great texture, and I think like something about It Follows 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:14.439 is very seductive. I'm trying to think of movies that 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.919 like wouldn't give you nightmares, but then but you're watching horror. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.359 She's trying to get over the fear. I think that 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.000 the monster stuff is. I think vampire movies are like 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:30.040 the least scary monster, like hot um Business a sexy scary. 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.120 I thought the scariest movie to recommend would be pet Cemetery. 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.000 For some reason, why are we just picking the scariest. 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.000 I think I didn't recommend pet Semetary because in my 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.560 mind I was like, not pet cemetery. Not all of 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.600 tests recommendations it should be it should be stated, are 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:53.160 like the baptism by fire. Yeah you want to styles um, Yeah, 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.119 I mean I think like a good old like goold 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.399 fashion ghost story, even something like I don't know, like 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.919 like even a Becca or something like that. It's just 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.439 like a spooky tale about a spooky house, like you know, 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.439 it's very gentle, kind of horrid. Do you want I 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.560 guess that's the question. Well, she likes zombies. She did 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.960 like zombies, but she's you know, it was like hard. 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.159 But she should watch Night of the Living Dad, if 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.000 she hasn't yet. I think she's wanting to expand, to 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:24.159 broaden her horizons after the zombies. Zombies do feel a 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.199 little bit of like a zombies don't really get me 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.480 going in the way a lot of things. It feels 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.800 like a little bit of there's a big zombie boom. Yeah, 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:36.000 but whoa what about like an anthology like what like 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:40.280 I mean, like from the crypt Tales from the Dark Side, 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.720 something like that. I mean, you could also do something 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.000 where you if you haven't. I don't know if Twilight 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.800 Zone would have been considered demonic, but like something like 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:53.240 Twilight Zone is a great suggestion that the TV show 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.400 the movie is genuinely terrifying. Well, the movie for many reasons. 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.280 It's cursed and it's arry and yeah, and I still 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.600 watch it sometimes really feel so off brand, and that's 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.879 part of what makes it so creepy. Why they do 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.520 it and they kill people. Um, I think it's interesting 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.159 none of us have suggested like slasher movies. Well, I 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.040 was about to say, like, actually what I would do. 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:17.800 And I was always really afraid of especially effects heavy 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.600 horror movies. So if that's your particular poison, super afraid 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:23.960 of Freddy way too afraid to ever see any of 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.679 those movies. So then like a few years ago, I 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:30.080 did them all, and I totally recommend that because it's 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.440 also just like a fun run. The Freddie movies are 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.920 fun just because they're like goofy, Well the first one, 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.440 the first one is genuinely scary, the second one is 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:43.880 really homo erotic, the third fourth, like then they get 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:48.720 weird and star Patricia Arquette as like a haunted child. Um, 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.680 and then they get self aware and then they turned 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:55.840 into New Nightmare, which is like an amazing meta horror movie. 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.560 About the l a earthquake and the effect being in 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.760 the Freddy Serious has had on all the actors who 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.159 play the characters. It's like a dry run for Scream. 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.960 It's great. Yeah, and we'll also recommend Scream. Oh, Scream 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.719 is great. Well, there's something supernatural about the Nightmares movies, 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:14.800 which is, like I think puts it in more of 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.680 a fun realm than just like like just Halloween or 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:21.560 just like any kind of wouldn't I would not, I 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.879 actually would like not. I get more bad vibes. And 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.280 I also I grew up religiously as well, like and 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.720 I get more bad vibes from like teenage girls getting 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:34.080 slashed than anything having to do with Satan or demons 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.840 or anything like that. Like that stuff feels actually kind 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.840 of doesn't get slashed. She saves everyone else. Yeah, but 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.960 a lot of other people do. I love Halloween because 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:46.720 they're like cool girls who like smoke pot in their car, 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:48.440 and then they also have to deal with this guy 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:52.200 who's talking them. And then the Craft may be good 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.040 if you haven't seen The Crab, because it deals kind 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.120 of head on with like, you know, adolescent girls who 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:02.560 are harnessing their powers rebelling craft is a good Yeah, 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:06.399 what are If you have any starter horror recommendations, horror 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.840 movie starter pack, please call in and let us know 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.280 at to four oh four six night give us a 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.000 Nightcall with your favorite night watches. You can also give 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:18.280 us an email at Night Call Podcast at gmail dot com. 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.560 So when we come back, we are going to welcome 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:40.160 our guest this week onto the show. Welcome back to Nightcall. 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:44.480 We are now joined by our guest and friend of 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:48.959 the show, Elana Smith. She is the creator of Dickinson, 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.560 which is now availble to watch on Apple TV plus. 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:58.000 Um hey, hey, ter New York. So this is like 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:01.920 we're back to Nightcall, like o G Nightcall where we're 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.480 talking to the other coast. Yeah, and this is this 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.560 is really special for me because I've been doing a 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:11.639 lot of press and interviews for Dickinson, but this is 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.399 the only press where the people that I'm talking to 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:17.920 have known me since before I started working on Dad 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:21.800 and well, they're the whole time. I wanted to look 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.520 up just for reference because you were one of our 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:29.919 first guests on Girls and Hoodies back in the day. Um, 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:33.920 you came on around the tween Hobo days and I 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:35.960 had to look up. I looked it up. I googled it. 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:38.160 And the way I can tell this is a long 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.680 ass time ago is there's a picture of Justin Bieber 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.560 and he's just got like the very beginning of the 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.760 whispy mustache, which would become the nightmare that we know today. 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:51.280 So were it really was back, I know, and tweet 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.520 Hobo was defined tween Hobo was defined by her love 0:22:54.560 --> 0:23:00.399