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Speaker 1: and welcome to the No Dunk's podcast on the Athletic Network.

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Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, June ninth. Appreciate you guys joining us today.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jay Skeets along with the Bearded One, Tray Kirby

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Speaker 1: and our super producer JD. And we have a very

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Speaker 1: special guest today He is the co founder of True Hoop,

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Speaker 1: a legendary NBA website, which now operates as a subscription

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Speaker 1: based newsletter. He hosts his own podcast called Bring It

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Speaker 1: in All Caps Locks and he truly is the NBA

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Speaker 1: blog father. Okay, that title goes to this man. It's

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Speaker 1: Henry Abbott. Henry, how you doing man?

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's great to hear your voice. It's been a

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Speaker 2: long time.

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking that when was the last time

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Speaker 1: was trying to think of a spot. Was it a

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Speaker 2: moment you arrived at the LA All Star Game after

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Speaker 2: no go on such a great like you had messed

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Speaker 2: You were going for twenty four hours or whatever just

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Speaker 2: Anyone remember this? Anyone else go on? And uh so look,

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Speaker 2: I think JD you were last, is that right? So

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Speaker 2: the approach. It's different now, right, Adam is a consensus

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Speaker 2: shuts down until every contact of the chain has been

430
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,479
Speaker 2: traced and tested and once you know everybody else who

431
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 2: might have it, like you don't play right, and you know,

432
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: and our Caroline who's expert in the stuff. Again he

433
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 2: forbody that makes the test. He's like, look, you're never

434
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,719
Speaker 2: gonna have one positive, Like it's basically impossible. Right. If

435
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 2: you have one, you're gonna have they got from someone

436
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 2: else in the bubble, right, and on and on. So

437
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 2: the other person who hasn't yet failed the test, like

438
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 2: you want to know who they are before and while

439
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 2: before you play or not right right, that kind of stuff.

440
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 2: So to me, like, I'm worried that this is not No,

441
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 2: it might be fine, it might be fine. The buondueslig

442
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 2: has been fine, right, but if if there is a

443
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: terrible thing, if if somebody dies, heaven't forbid, Like, are

444
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 2: we gonna look back and say we had a good

445
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 2: process here? Like I hope, So what do you say?

446
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 1: Because I think there are people maybe that have read this.

447
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 1: I'm always sharing it seeing some tweets that are like, oh, Henry,

448
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 1: come on, like, like you just said they're doing this

449
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: in Germany. The soccer league is going on.

450
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 2: Now.

451
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: I know that's different sports, indoors, outdoors all that. I'm

452
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of different things how they're handling

453
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: it and all their protocols and stuff. But people go on, Henry,

454
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 1: you're being a defeatist, you know, like you're just you're

455
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: just you're being so pessimistic about this, Like, have some

456
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: faith in the league. You know, they they're doing daily tests.

457
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 1: They've created a bubble. I mean, if people are having

458
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: to go to the restaurant to sell fish, well the

459
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: MBA with all the money they've got, then they can

460
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: make this as safe as humanly possible. Like sort of,

461
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: what what do you say to that? I mean, maybe

462
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: you've got You've seen that, I'm sure a little bit

463
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: as well in what you've been reporting.

464
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 2: Look, I'm down. I mean in our personal lives, like

465
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 2: I have also a personal litership point of being fed

466
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: up being at home, and like I have some friends

467
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: who are super like super science driven and like you know,

468
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 2: like I know a guy who's super mad that a

469
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: month ago his wife hugged somebody, right, like, like, we've

470
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: recently like went to a friend's house and swim in

471
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: their pool. Like we didn't do it because I think

472
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 2: the science is now like check, we're safe. We did

473
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: it because we're sped up, right, We're like, you got

474
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: to do a little more than we've all been doing. Right.

475
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 2: If the NBA were taking that approach, if the players

476
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 2: were taking that, which everyone was just like, look, we're

477
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 2: just we want to play the game we love. We

478
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: want to make some money. We just don't want to

479
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: be in our apartments anymore. Then like who can argue

480
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: with that?

481
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: Right?

482
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 2: And if somebody dies under those terms, then they died

483
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: with the full knowledge they're doing something they loved. Right Like, right, fine, fine,

484
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: who cann it's any arguable, maybe a little grotesque if

485
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 2: you actually think people will die for basketball, but whatever. However,

486
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 2: that's not the position the league has taken. Right. The

487
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 2: league says that, no, we're here because we're gonna use

488
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: the data, not the date. Right. That worries me because

489
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: now I'm like, you know, if your kids want to

490
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: go play pick up basketball right now, you say no, no,

491
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: it's shut down. It's not safe right once it's on

492
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: TV live every day, like isn't every kid in America

493
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 2: who wants to play basketball going to play basketball? Like

494
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: and on and on, like you know, or honestly, my

495
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 2: wife's on the school board and they're having like do

496
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: you know how much work they're putting into is it

497
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: safe to reopen in September? Like it's you know, how

498
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: many kids can get on a bus? Does this school

499
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: have enough airflow compared to that school? And we need

500
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: to get new machinery in there, Like these questions are

501
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: really rigorously study with giant steaks. Or you know how

502
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 2: many seniors in the community have kids in their same

503
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: home where the senior might be vulnerable because the kid

504
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 2: got exposed at school? And no, and on, right, what

505
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: about this teacher? What about that one? And no and on?

506
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: All these questions have to be answered, right. What they

507
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: haven't done is to trust us, right. What they said is,

508
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: you know, we'll find We're going to decide later when

509
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: we're going to reopen once we know if the science

510
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: is safe. Right, And so to me, like, I yeah,

511
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: those people who say I'm being a pain in the ass,

512
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: I think science is a pain in the ass, as

513
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: do we all right, Like those people also probably don't

514
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: like global climate change. You know what a pain in

515
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: the ass that we just talk about that. Yeah, alas

516
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: here we are, you know. So, Yeah, I want to

517
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: live in reality, and I don't mind. I don't mind

518
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 2: if people just want to play. I do mind the

519
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: idea that like they checked it all out and they're

520
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: all data driven and it wasn't about the money, and

521
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: you know, this is just perfectly safe now because they

522
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: have a lot of tests. Like I, scientists that I've

523
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 2: talked to don't agree with that.

524
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. To me, Adam Silver kind of opened himself up

525
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: to these questions by having that press conference where he

526
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 3: was talking a lot about the science of being able

527
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: to reopen. But then as soon as we finally get

528
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 3: word of what's going to happen with resuming the season,

529
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: there are six teams who really don't need to be there.

530
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: They could have easily gone straight to the playoffs, right,

531
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Speaker 3: And so then once you're bringing an extra three hundred

532
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 3: five hundred people, whatever it's gonna be, you gotta have

533
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: answers for that.

534
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: And I mean, this is a really stupid question, But

535
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: so one of the questions them is are you gonna

536
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: play outside? And everybody just scoffs right, and Bay basketball

537
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: outside and you know, and then they're like, all in Florida,

538
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: you can't. Like I'm like, okay, fine, First of all,

539
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: you picked Florida. You could have picked anywhere. This whole

540
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 2: thing could be happening in Toronto, right, they could play

541
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: it on the moon. But but the fact is, like there,

542
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: I think of all of the hotspots in global pandemic

543
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: coronavirus history, only one of them was outside. Like it

544
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: almost never happens, like indoors is the vast majority of

545
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: where the super spreader events happened. They just played the

546
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: games outside. I mean, if you were doing what he

547
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: said they were doing, which was putting health first, you

548
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: would absolutely play outside. Like so not, well, what are

549
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: the criteria that are most important? If you know what

550
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just playing indoors is a one hundred

551
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: percent taking a giant concession in health and safety. For

552
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: I think it's literally like better TV lighting or it

553
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: seems more like the NBA game used to be on

554
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: and on. Right, Fine, I get it, but like it's

555
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: not like it's not it's not putting health first. It's

556
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: simply not if you're in the ust, you're absolutely playing outside.

557
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: And the fact that I don't even think it's the

558
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: advent seriously considered, you know, well we should at least

559
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: discuss that, right.

560
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: Right, right, all right, We've got lots more still to discuss,

561
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: but first a quick break. Some days can be too much.

562
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: The bad news piles up. You're stressed from work.

563
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Speaker 1: I think one thing, and again we're waiting and maybe

584
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: we'll find out later this week. This idea of I'm

585
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: fascinated by this idea of like what if someone does

586
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: just want to leave or they do leave and they,

587
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote are breaking the rules? Is monitoring

588
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: all of this? Isn't that? Like I'm like, is it

589
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: the team? As if like you're a you know, a

590
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: high school basketball team and you're on the road and

591
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: you're staying in a hotel and it's like, okay, guys,

592
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: curfeuse ten o'clock, you know, and checks ain't no sneaking

593
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: out exactly? Like is that? Is it based on the

594
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: team and that they could, you know, penalize that player

595
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: if they snuck out, and like hopefully nobody would do that,

596
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: but I guess it's possible or is it the league

597
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: monitoring that. I know you don't probably have an answer

598
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: to that, Henry, but like that's a question that keeps

599
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: popping up of mind, and I'm sure there's other like

600
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: little weird ones like that, am I am? I?

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh, that's a great question, and they don't want

602
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: to talk about that for real, right, yeah, So like

603
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: one of the like, so Brandon Greer, do you know

604
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: Brandon gres No, he's a wonderful dude. He's an NBA agent.

605
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: His his first and foremost client is his great friend

606
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: at a Udo and they both went to Baylor together

607
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: at b who's a great guy. Right, I'm sure you've

608
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: talked many times. Okay, So Eppie's been playing in China

609
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: and you know, not too long ago, flew back to

610
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Speaker 2: China and you's told he'd have to be quarantine for

611
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: fourteen days. No big surprise there, but the quarantine was

612
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: he's in like a dorm room and there's a camera

613
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: on the door and if he leaves, like he can't leave.

614
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: He's literally can't leave, like he's just stuck in there.

615
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: Now that's a quarantine, right, but it's also prison. Right.

616
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: So now Brandon's anishing character in this because Brandon had

617
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Speaker 2: the coronavirus and had it terribly, like worried he was

618
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Speaker 2: gonna die. He's a guy, he's AT's h So he's

619
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Speaker 2: like in his thirties, young black man. I he fits

620
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: the rough criteria healthwise of an NBA player, right. So

621
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: Brandon is a full on believer that like, this is

622
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: deadly serious, and brand is not. You know, I don't

623
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: actually want to quick for him, but like people who

624
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: have it as bad as Brandon did are often reporting

625
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: that they still have symptoms or feel a little diminished

626
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: months later, and who knows what years is like, right,

627
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: So this is the risk and the fix is what

628
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 2: EPI went through, which is to put young black men

629
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: in prison, right, which in this case is billionaire white

630
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: men putting young black men in prison, right, And they're

631
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: just not going to do it right. This has been

632
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: a lot of the discussion, like privately has been like

633
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: we can't do that, we cannot do that. So and frankly,

634
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: the Union's been on the side of freedom of movement

635
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: in the reporting that we've seen and the Whisper Network

636
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: or whatever. So he was like, no, we gotta get

637
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: able to golf, we got to a go to restaurants,

638
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: set outside, got to be able to work out in

639
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: the gym, et cetera. All understandable, but like, it just

640
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: means that the scientists.

641
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Speaker 4: Are there's there's one more flaw on the set up here, right,

642
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 4: which is like not really going to quarantine, right, and

643
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 4: they're going to sign new players in the middle of

644
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 4: the playoffs too, right.

645
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: And bring them in and families are going to visit.

646
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: It just gets to your question, Skeets is like, I

647
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: don't think they're gonna I don't think there's any way

648
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: they can rigorously monitor it because unless they're gonna like

649
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: throw up a fence or arrest someone for sneaking in

650
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: or out, then there's gonna be sneaking in or out.

651
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: What do you make of I guess it was Silver's

652
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: comments last week on TNT when he was talking about

653
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: you know this, the idea of older coaches might not

654
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: be able to be on the bend due to the

655
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: coronavirus concerns, because I feel like this like really like

656
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: a little kicked up, a little dust storm here where

657
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 1: people are like whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, And then

658
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: we had the coaches commenting and everyone's like, well, there's

659
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: some walking back and like, oh what age like this actually,

660
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: I think speaks to a lot of the stuff you've

661
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: been asking, like, Okay, you've decided we're going to do this,

662
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: We've got the dates, all right, everybody's excited for basketball,

663
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: but what what about these little questions here? And then

664
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: we it felt like we almost were flying by the

665
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: seat of our pants, like the league was like with

666
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't know actually what we're doing with coaches you

667
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: know over the age of sixty or sixty like you

668
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: had like you said, Ari and I listened to that

669
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: podcast on bringing in he was like he thought, you know,

670
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: coaches over sixty sixty five, right, they shouldn't even be

671
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: in the bubble, and we'd have coaches in the league.

672
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: There's Pop, there's Gentry, there's Dan Toni. It's crazy right

673
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: like that one's like did somebody forget that that could

674
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: we had old coaches in the league. I mean, I'm

675
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: serious here.

676
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: So Thorpe joked about David fifty five and asked Ari, like,

677
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully fifty five or older, and Ari took

678
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: it seriously. It was like, no, fifty five would be

679
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: the safe that would be right, And then every increment

680
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: you go up, it's exponentially more risk of death. So

681
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: you know, I think the problem is that, like what

682
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: we're seeing Adam Silver doing to me is how a

683
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: bill becomes a lot. You go down and you try

684
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: to get enough votes. Right, he has to get signed

685
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: off from a certain number of players, certain number of gms,

686
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: certain number of agents, certain number of coach and on

687
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: and on, right, And that's a good way to handle

688
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: a lot of things, but not the introduction of science, right, Like,

689
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: so so if we're gonna listen to what coaches want,

690
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: we already heard like warn La Garry, uh, you know,

691
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: agent for a lot of coaches and gms, was basically like,

692
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: it's an outrage if my older clients are left out.

693
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: It's basically his position, like nobody like science doesn't make

694
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: money for anybody, there's nobody who's gonna fight for it, right, So,

695
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: I mean I always joke about this, like if you

696
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: have a like there's big people promoting the health benefits

697
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: of Gatorade, which are actually very hard to prove. There's

698
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 2: nobody reporting of broccoli because it doesn't.

699
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 4: Write very much money for anybody, right, like the science.

700
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: I wish Lee was on this call so much. He

701
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: always had a stake in broccoli before he makes a

702
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: big decision. So I feel like he's big broccoli. I

703
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: guess is what I.

704
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, nobody's broccoli here, right, everybody's everybody's gatorade. Everybody's

705
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: got you know, like Greg Popovich. I don't know does

706
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 2: Greg have an agent? I don't even know if he does.

707
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: But but but Mike D'Antoni has an agent named Warl Garry,

708
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: and they all want their money. Yeah, right, Like this

709
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: is another huge question, is okay, so if somebody has

710
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 2: a reason they they're not playing or coaching or working.

711
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: This also goes for like, you know, the junior PR

712
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: person in the league, if there's a reason they can't go.

713
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: Are they getting paid? Are they getting benefits? Right? If not?

714
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: If yes, then this is a big expense, right if

715
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: which I don't know, if you know, if the league

716
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 2: and the billionaires are that generous, if they are not

717
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: getting paid, now you're putting and you know, I think

718
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: we've the way that there's but it's pretty hard on

719
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: players that they have to to to play to get money.

720
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: Then you're absolutely coursing someone into this potentially risky bubble. Right. Wait,

721
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: one more creepy thing. This is This is where people

722
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: will definitely say, Henry, you're just imagining terrible things and

723
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: you should stop. And they're probably right. But but what

724
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: let's say a bunch of these tests come back positive.

725
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: Let's say there's a moment where, you know, the Four

726
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 2: Seasons Orlando, it has you know, eighty people quarantining in

727
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: their rooms, or ninety or one hundred, right or two

728
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: hundred at least some of them are really sick. And

729
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 2: then then I see you, I'm heaven forbid. I hope

730
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: it doesn't have Okay, now I feel like politically this

731
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: I'm making up the Four Seasons. I don't know for

732
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: sure that's going to be where anyone's staying, but that

733
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: hotel is politically similar to one of these cruise ships

734
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: with lots of positive tests, right, like can you shut

735
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: it down? Can anyone go home from there? Like? Can

736
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: you get on a plane from that hotel and just

737
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: fly back to New York if you want? To like, like,

738
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: if it goes badly, I have a feeling they might

739
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: be stuck there, like those people who are so they

740
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 2: still cruise circling on their cruise ships like they were

741
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: gone forever.

742
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: Like gone for a long time. But I hope they're

743
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: off by now.

744
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: Me too. Or or Thorpe's big point is like it's

745
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: Hurricane See and hurricane season of Florida. It's inland a

746
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 2: little bit, but they still they have evacuated the Orlando

747
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: area in recent years for hurricanes. Okay, so what if

748
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: we have what if we have two dozen people quarantining

749
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: their rooms and a number of you know, positive tests,

750
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and there's a hurricane I have to evacuate.

751
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 2: What the hell are we gonna do?

752
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: Then?

753
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna put that. I'm gonna put my tinfoil

754
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: hat down. But if you're the person in charge of planning,

755
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: I think you know, you don't have to explain all

756
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: of this in public. I think, but you have to

757
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: have they have to have thought of this right, right,

758
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: And I have to admit, like in the conversation I'm

759
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: having so far, I've had a lot of like, hmmm,

760
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: I didn't think of that. I'm like, you didn't. I'm like, yeah,

761
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: that's a little wresome.

762
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: Do you do you sympathize with this difficult decision, especially

763
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: Silver's you know, got on his plate here?

764
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, yeah no, it's a what a nightmare? Right,

765
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: I feel super lucky. Look, we all have jobs that

766
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: we can do from our living rooms or addicts or whatever.

767
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: Right if we didn't, I have you Like again, our

768
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: friends with the restaurant, and they they've reinvented their business

769
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: like every three days for the last few months. Right,

770
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: it's been different, different, different, Like now a big line

771
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: of work for them is so like we get take

772
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: out there every Friday, and then we'll tack on like

773
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: two meals for the hospital. Right. And they had businesses

774
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: something about like a thousand meals or whatever, and so

775
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: they have these on their Instagram. You can see that

776
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: lay out a million. This is part of how they're

777
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: keeping people employed. They'd invent a whole new thing. Right,

778
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: that's what the NBA has to do too, Right, So

779
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: what with the takeout version of the NBA? Right, Like

780
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: so hard? I don't know, Yeah, it's super hard to do.

781
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: I do think though, we're in a comparatively small interim

782
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: phase before real treatment, before a vaccine, before antivirals, before

783
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: any of the medical solutions have really come online. So

784
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: to me, like, for sure, the NBA will reopen in

785
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: Earnest when they're real medical solutions, which will come not

786
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: this year, right, So to me, like, as much as

787
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: we talk about the crisis of you know, Adam silver

788
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: Soul and what he's analyzing here, like he's analyzing it

789
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: for this experimental short period, right, it's even in their

790
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: big proposal, it's only a thing that happens for a

791
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: couple months, right, So to me, like, we're not really

792
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 2: talking about the feature of the NBA. We're talking about

793
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: do you also reopen during this time? And it's not

794
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: quite as heavy a question, and you know, to me,

795
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: like it's pretty bold. Even in April. In April when

796
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: he was telling us that there was no path he

797
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: could imagine to reopening and this bubble thing that we're

798
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: listening to it, but it sounded be kind of koky

799
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: and on and on. Even then in that twenty two

800
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: minute conference call he said that it his the owners

801
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: you know, who are his bosses, felt this like Earnest

802
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: need to be like requirement or duty to be leaders

803
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: in the reopening of America, right, And I was like,

804
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: that's a little weird, Like really, yeah, one of the

805
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: least essential businesses and on the planet. That's also what

806
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: you might say if you just want to make some money.

807
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 3: Right, So do you think, Henry, now that we have

808
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 3: this tentative start date, just like everybody, I was excited

809
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: to see a date and then I looked at the

810
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: date on my phone. I was like, Oh, that's still

811
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 3: two months from now. A lot can happen in two months.

812
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 3: Does having a date out there mean that that date's

813
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: going to happen, that we're going to definitely be opening

814
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: on that date? Or is there do you think perhaps

815
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: you know a date between now and then where if

816
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: numbers in Florida continued to rise or if they don't fall,

817
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 3: or whatever they're basing their science on, that the League

818
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: could actually say, sorry, we were going to do July

819
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 3: thirty first, it's not happening now.

820
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm speculating here. To me, like Adams was

821
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 2: a very careful guy, and we don't learn this date

822
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: until it's all all the ducks were in a row, right.

823
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: To me, the biggest wild card here is not well. Look, maybe,

824
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: like I don't know, if you saw the Texas new

825
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: cases like skyrocketed after their phase reopening. Conceivably, if more

826
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: of America, including Florida, were like that, local officials might

827
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: weigh in. Maybe that would change it. The one thing

828
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 2: that I see that could really change it is the protests,

829
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 2: and by that I mean specifically if the Black Lives

830
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: Matter movement galvanized players in a way to stand up

831
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: to the league or billionaires. Right if something went a

832
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: little off like so usually what happens is everybody kind

833
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: of votes with their own economic self interest eventually, right

834
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: this year, there's one higher holy calling out there, right, like,

835
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: if somehow it ends up seeming like the league's being

836
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 2: a little callous, or the billionaires just want their money,

837
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 2: or someone Fortita says the wrong thing, or Mickey Erson

838
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: says the wrong thing, or or heaven forbid, the crazy

839
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: Devas family, which features multiple people close to Trump who've

840
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: said insane things and supported far right causes for a

841
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: very long time and are now the NBA's hosts. If

842
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: one of those things I could see could could galvanize

843
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: players to sit it out or have some kind of

844
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: group of them not want to play or not feel

845
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: safe enough for all in all, I think those, you know,

846
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: that's the that's the issue to keep your eye on.

847
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 2: I think in terms of could something delay the date

848
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: sort of that, I think it's alid game. It's you know,

849
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: the network's not going to say no, Disney's not going

850
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: to say no, the league's not gonna say now. It's

851
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: only the players who might say Now.

852
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: It might be Henry from the info we do know.

853
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: Right now, what do you think the NBA is getting right?

854
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: Is there is there at least like something you've read

855
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: or seen you're like, Okay, that's that's good. Like, is

856
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: it maybe you know the maximum amount of people they're

857
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: saying can be on campus, which I think was a

858
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: lot lower maybe than some thought. I think it's like

859
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred sixteen hundred as a maximum. Is there something

860
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: else that you're like, Okay, good? That puts me at ease.

861
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: From all these scientists that I've talked to and stuff

862
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: like that, it feels like they're getting that right.

863
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, you know, testing, testing, testing, right,

864
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: there was a period where they were telling their teams

865
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: not to test because they didn't want to get bad

866
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: PR from jumping in line for scarce tests, right, Yeah,

867
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: So they waited till there are lots of tests available,

868
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: and now they're like more and more and better tests

869
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: and I don't think we yet know really which test

870
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: they'll be using, but you know, it seems like with

871
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: enough testing you can do almost anything. The caveat, though,

872
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: is the people who advocate that seem to always advocate,

873
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 2: you know, not not having another mass event until you've

874
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: completed your testing from the Latin. But you know what

875
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: I mean. So yeah, but yeah, so it's like it's

876
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: a giant you know. So, yes, they're only inviting a verse.

877
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: It was leaked like thirty five hundred and I think

878
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 2: it's down under two thousand now people in the box,

879
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: is that right? So that's obviously a big improvement in safety.

880
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: But but it's a you know, think about your life

881
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 2: and you know, so we went and hung out with

882
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: four people outside and feel pretty risky about it. This

883
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: is a These are routine, like thirty person cocktail parties

884
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: with no masks, in close contact, again and again and again,

885
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: day after day after day. You're not going to get

886
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: anybody saying that that's great, right, It's just maybe a

887
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: little less risk. Another thing that's interesting was one expert

888
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: I talked to was like, look, this is callous math,

889
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 2: but like everything everybody said about it being like the flu,

890
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 2: like you know, is monstrably not true in the death rate.

891
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: He's like, but it is pretty much true for people

892
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: who are like I forget the agency said basically like

893
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: people of the ages of NBA players, right right. The

894
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: health risk in that population is equivalent to the flu,

895
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: which is still serious. You know, tens of thousands died

896
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: every year. But but the so like, if they just

897
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: did nothing and just had NBA players only play each other,

898
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: He's like, it would you know, it would be roughly

899
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: the risk of people dying of the regular flu, right right.

900
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: And this was a guy who's like a total like

901
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: marinating and all the data, high level expert. So you know,

902
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: chances are Labron's gonna be fine, right, So you know

903
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 2: that this is where Actually so the stingiest person out

904
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: there on this, by the way, is not me. It's

905
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: Jane McManus. Jane McManus is a National Treasure, wonderful sports writer,

906
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 2: and she just sticks it to everybody who doesn't want

907
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: these science on this, and she's like amazing at it.

908
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: You should definitely talk to Jane. She's gonna be way

909
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: tougher than I am. But but but yeah, she quoted

910
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: me to me, which was really weird. I guess I

911
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 2: said to her basically, I said, like, maybe it'll be fine.

912
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: I forget even saying this, but I'm kind of like,

913
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: maybe they's fine. Can maybe let's luck into without good science,

914
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: maybe it'll be fine, right, right, And and she that's

915
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: basically what she's hanging her hat on now. It's like,

916
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully we just luck into a good outcome, right,

917
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: which is quite possibly what's gonna happen. Like maybe they'll

918
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: have bad science and it's to be fine. Like I've

919
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 2: been asleep so far and other leagues too, maybe that's

920
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: what it's gonna go.

921
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: Well, Uh, we can end with this because I'm fascinated. Henry.

922
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: We've made you NBA Commissioner Silver you're out, Henry, you're

923
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: the commissioner. What would be your plans or non plans

924
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: to restart this season? Would you just say nope? You know,

925
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable with any of this and from what

926
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 1: I know, and let's just worry it's done. I'm sorry

927
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: there's no Champion Bucks Lakers. That would have been great,

928
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: but we'll look ahead to next year and we need

929
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: more time to even know what this virus does. Like

930
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: what what do you do? What does Commissioner Abbott do?

931
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 4: Oh?

932
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: I defer my commissionership to Erica van Stone of the

933
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: Women's Flat Track Derby Associations. Thank you Erica. Whatever she

934
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: says goes, you know, but I do think like legit,

935
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: like like you know, your kids rec league, et cetera.

936
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: Everyone can apply the science that's in the roller Derby plan, right,

937
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: it is applicable. It's just basically we're closed until we

938
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: find a time and a place where we can check

939
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 2: these boxes, right, like what is local infection rate? How

940
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: many tests do we have? On and on? Right? So basically,

941
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: we were just looking for the moment that it's safe,

942
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: the time and place that it's safe, right, And it

943
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: probably exists. It's probably not Florida's probably not Disney, it's

944
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: probably not now, but you know, there's probably a way

945
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: to do it, right and uh, once the you know,

946
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: I actually, to be honest, I think it'd be I

947
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: think it's really cool to publish the rules in advance

948
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 2: and then look for the data to be like, oh,

949
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: look we passed the test. Now we're saying that's what

950
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: schools should be doing, right, that's what our workplaces should

951
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: be doing. That's a restaurants should be doing so and

952
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: that's pretty it's pretty bad ass. So it's kind of

953
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: a baller move to just layer lay it out there.

954
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: But that's what that's what I like, that's what that

955
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 2: would make me so happy?

956
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: Will I'm going to guess the answers note, well, Henry Abbot,

957
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: will True who be going down to Disney World for

958
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: the restarting of the NBA.

959
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't like would I sure like I

960
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: don't actually think it's you know, like I know that

961
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to wash my hands. I know I'm not

962
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: gonna touch my face, right. I dare them to invite me.

963
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: I bet, I bet you a million dollars to day. Won't.

964
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: When Adam Silver had his conference call the other day, like,

965
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: I didn't get the invite. I had to see Howard

966
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: Beck tweeting about it and then email PR and they're like, oh, yeah,

967
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: we forgot right, Like so I was on for like

968
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: the last fifteen minutes or whatever. But so yeah, you know,

969
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: I I'm a little bit on the outs. I don't

970
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: think that if they're inviting a short list of people,

971
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: I don't think I would make that list, and I

972
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: would probably go. The only other caveat I would say

973
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: is most of the last ten years, I've been noticing that,

974
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 2: like the official media access, like the moment postgame Rates

975
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: had a microphone, is never the source of the good story, right,

976
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: like literally never, Like everything that matters is on your

977
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: phone anyway. So to me, like, if I want to

978
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: know whatever the juicy story is going to be from

979
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 2: in the bubble, it's not going to be from walking

980
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: over and talking to the player, right right, It's going

981
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: to be from like, you know, oh myn his agent

982
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: said this, and I'll like an, I'm a no on,

983
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: so that can happen from New Jersey. So I don't know.

984
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: I see, I would sort of enjoy going just to

985
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: sort of it's such a novel moment of NBA history. Yeah,

986
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't think that I was going to die

987
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: if I went, you know. But uh, but I'm not

988
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 2: going to like fight my way in there because I

989
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 2: don't think it's that valuable to true fair.

990
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: Enough, t K you got any other questions, Rnnick.

991
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: The biggest question for me is is there a plan

992
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 3: in place to keep the Lopez brothers out of Disney World.

993
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: That seems impossible. They're going to be there for two

994
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: months the other day.

995
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: Just rubbing it in their faces.

996
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: It's so true, that's so true. Actually, honestly, one dude

997
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: told me, I don't know if he knows what he

998
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: was talking about, but one guy who works a long

999
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: time in the NBA says that his understanding of like

1000
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: what Disney gets out of this, is there going to

1001
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: be like effectively the Disney World. It's safe enough for Lebron,

1002
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: so bring your family down right, right? So then with

1003
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: that in mind, I asked the league, like, will players

1004
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: be allowed to go to the park, dear the Disney parks?

1005
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: Like I think Disney would really like to have video

1006
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: of the Lopez brothers of the park course, right. I

1007
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: don't know how the answer that is, but I'm interested

1008
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: to know.

1009
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: I feel like the answer to that is no, from

1010
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: what I've seen, yes, that they can't go just to

1011
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: these other parks, because aren't these other parks they're going

1012
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: to be opening up too?

1013
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 4: Right?

1014
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: In some waves of some sort. And I mean I

1015
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: haven't I haven't been to Disney World, but I know

1016
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: enough that it's like these are different sort of sections,

1017
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: right that you have to like drive or take a

1018
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: mono rail to get to them.

1019
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: It's so it's one hundred and fifty million acres as

1020
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: far as I can tell. Yeah, yeah, so it's yeah.

1021
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: So but they opened. So the main like phase reopening

1022
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: of Disney begins in the middle of July. So perfect

1023
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: timing with this. But wow, but they already have had

1024
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: the first step of their like thing was they opened

1025
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: some stores, like some retail stores at Disney, I don't know,

1026
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: ten days ago whatever, and there were like giant crowds

1027
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: with huge lines and I'm like, oh, no, like, I mean,

1028
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: good for Disney, but it looks like I don't know.

1029
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: My my thought was that this has the potential to

1030
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 2: be a super spreader type of lookut it just does.

1031
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: I hope I'm wrong, but you know, the look, the

1032
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: dream here is that the NBA gets to be like

1033
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: the South Korea of you know, where we're just like

1034
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: there is one place in America where we screwed up everything,

1035
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: and we just there's one place where we did it right, right, right, right, Like,

1036
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: it would be so nice if we could show that

1037
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: Americans can wear their masks and wash their hands and

1038
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: not spread the coronavirus, right Like, I don't know if

1039
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 2: it's I hope it's. I hope that's the way it goes.

1040
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: I hope we all do.

1041
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: I hope.

1042
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1043
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: Look, I hope we didn't bum a lot of you

1044
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: out there listening to this. I really was excited to

1045
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: have you on, Henry, because I think these are again

1046
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: the work you're doing, the questions you're asking, even if

1047
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: you're not getting answers to them, I think it is important.

1048
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: And I am like like you and like everybody I

1049
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: think probably listen to this. I'm excited that we do

1050
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: have a date. I want to see basketball. I just

1051
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 1: hope to God everybody is safe and they have thought

1052
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: all of this through, and it would just be nice

1053
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: to sort of see their reasoning with the science if

1054
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: possible that like, hey guys, yeah, hey skeats, Henry Tray,

1055
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: everybody freaking relaxed. We've got this. We've got a pretty

1056
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: good understanding of how this is gonna go. And look,

1057
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: if anyone does I think sort of deserve the benefit

1058
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: of the doubt it maybe it is Commissioner Silver and

1059
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: sort of at least his approach of talking to as

1060
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: many people as possible and getting their input. So I

1061
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: hope that is the case. So guys, follow Henry's great

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Speaker 1: work on Twitter at true Hoop. Make sure you subscribe

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Speaker 1: to the newsletter. Go to true hoop dot com. Anything else.

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Speaker 1: We got to let the people know Henry the free.

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Speaker 2: Subscription for thirty days if you go to my Twitter

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Speaker 2: bio right now clicking a little late there get all

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Speaker 2: this stuff. I mean, thank you. Thanks so great to

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Speaker 2: talk to you guys. And I hope why I didn't

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Speaker 2: thumb everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, of course not, of course not. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Look, hey, maybe we'll run into each other down and

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Speaker 1: walt Disney World. I know that's not happening, but we'll

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Speaker 1: all go to the bar together. Yeah, we go with

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Speaker 1: the team. We go with the team. All right, Clipper bros.

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Speaker 1: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up,

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Speaker 1: Love you guys, awesome, Embrace the day. People.

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Speaker 2: You could stay every day. My dad be happy every minute.

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Speaker 2: It's been so long that your the onna wait for

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Speaker 2: it's happened already. It's gonna be goody,