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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Welcome to the program. It's hour two on

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Speaker 1: this Friday, Dan and The Dane's Dan Patrick Show. Glad

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Speaker 1: to have you on board. We have golf coming up

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Speaker 1: this weekend. It's Tiger Woods, Peyton Manning, Phil Mickelson, Tom Brady. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is what I was wondering when they set these

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Speaker 1: teams together. Wouldn't you rather have Brady and Tiger versus

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Speaker 1: Phil and Peyton because Tiger winning all these titles that

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Speaker 1: Phil probably would have won a few of those if

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Speaker 1: Tiger wasn't around, Tom Brady winning all these titles, and

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Speaker 1: you know Peyton had to compete with Tom Brady, I'd

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Speaker 1: rather have the underdogs here, if you want to call it,

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Speaker 1: that of Peyton and Phil against Tiger and Tom. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they did this by golf ability,

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Speaker 1: because I think Peyton is a little better golfer than Brady.

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Speaker 1: But Brady hasn't played much golf. I don't. His handicap

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Speaker 1: as probably close to a nine maybe, and Peyton's probably

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Speaker 1: around a six. And then you have Tiger and then

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Speaker 1: you have Phil, who will cancel each other out. But

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Speaker 1: if I was going to do it, I would have

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Speaker 1: the underdogs. So called underdogs. Phil Mickelson teamed up with

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Speaker 1: Peyton to get back at Brady and Tiger in this

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Speaker 1: made for TV evm Mickelson on the Callaway Golf podcast

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Speaker 1: talked about Tiger. He has the advantage, a home course advantage,

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Speaker 1: but Phil is going to use that to his benefit. Well,

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Speaker 1: to me, it's funny because we wanted to hold this

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Speaker 1: at another site, but Tiger insisted that we go to

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Speaker 1: his home course. And I understand why he didn't like that.

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Speaker 1: I beat him the first time and he wants every

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Speaker 1: advantage possible. He takes the lower handicap, Peyton Manning who's

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Speaker 1: a four, gives me the one that's at eight, and

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Speaker 1: he goes to insists that we go to his home

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Speaker 1: course over anyone else. And now I love that about him.

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Speaker 1: I respect that about him that he's looking for every

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Speaker 1: little edge. But from my point of view, I'm the

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Speaker 1: defending champ of the match and I have the belt

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Speaker 1: to prove it. I'm going to go down to his

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Speaker 1: home course and I have nothing to lose now because

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Speaker 1: even though I'm defending, I'm going to his place. Everybody

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Speaker 1: expects him to come back and win. He has a

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Speaker 1: better supposedly a better partner for golf game wise. But

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Speaker 1: I think Tom and I are going to go down

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Speaker 1: there with nothing to lose, free will it, play well

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Speaker 1: and have the ability to give him a bad memory

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Speaker 1: at his home course. That's the Callaway Golf Podcast with

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Speaker 1: Phil Mickolson. If I told you a year ago, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what We're going to spend our Memorial Day

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Speaker 1: watching Tiger Woods, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Phil Micholson

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Speaker 1: play golf. You'd probably say why because you know, if

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Speaker 1: Tiger and Phil would already be in season, and you

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Speaker 1: would think that Brady and Peyton would have other things

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Speaker 1: to do. Certainly Brady with his new team, well, we

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Speaker 1: would have thought he was still with New England a

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Speaker 1: year ago if I ask you this question. But here

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Speaker 1: we are for the more competitive people you ever see,

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Speaker 1: and each one of them probably remembers every bad swing

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Speaker 1: or bad throw or bad loss that they've encountered. I'm

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Speaker 1: curious the dialogue that'll go on here because they're all

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Speaker 1: sneaky trash talkers. I think out of the group, Peyton

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Speaker 1: Manning's the best trash talker in there. Mickelson can hold

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Speaker 1: his own. You know, Tiger always can go scoreboard, and

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Speaker 1: so can Brady. If you want to, you just go

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Speaker 1: scoreboard because Phil Mickelson will say things to Tiger like

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Speaker 1: Pebble Beach, And then Tiger go yeah, but in the

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Speaker 1: big picture, and then that's it. Then the conversation is over.

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Speaker 1: But that's coming up this weekend. Between those two, here's

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning talking about roasting Tom Brady Ernie the course.

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Speaker 1: You know, the tournament had to be in Florida, you know,

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Speaker 1: after Tom's be any arrest, you know, with monetary, couldn't

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Speaker 1: Tiger and I talked to the sheriff in Tampa. He's

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I've never played Tom very well on

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Speaker 1: Ernie Johnson was promoting the Champions for Charity event on TNT.

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Speaker 1: That's a courtesy of TNT. So a little back and

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Speaker 1: little bit. And that's what I want here. The last

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Speaker 1: would be fun, and I think Peyton Manning will do it.

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Speaker 1: Since Peyton's not playing football anymore. I think he's you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: you just turn up the volume. I'm good, I'm unplugged.

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Speaker 1: I can say whatever I want here, and I think

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Speaker 1: Phil will jump into He's not afraid to get a

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Speaker 1: couple of stabs in there as well. Eight seven seven

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Speaker 1: talked about the military quite often on this show. Very

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Speaker 1: proud to be the son of a Marine, and I

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Speaker 1: have a couple members of my family that were in

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Speaker 1: the Navy, well represented in the military. And this Memorial

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Speaker 1: Day weekend, you know, it always seems like it passes by,

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Speaker 1: and then we forget why we're really celebrating Memorial Day.

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Speaker 1: And if you get that opportunity and if you see

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Speaker 1: somebody in service or has been in service there, acknowledge

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Speaker 1: it's forgotten. And I always go back to the Vietnam

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Speaker 1: Vets because I just remember my brother was so close

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Speaker 1: go fight in a war that you can't win. We

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Speaker 1: they came back and it wasn't their fault that they

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Speaker 1: the military, please do because we forget, and even now

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Speaker 1: got an email today. This is from the chaplain Andy Madison.

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Speaker 1: He said, I just want to say thank you for

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Speaker 1: that email. All right, we'll come up with a poll question.

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Speaker 1: I believe we have a poll question. Is that right? McLevin.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about the NFL rule changes there and

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Speaker 1: been having this debate whose career would you want? Tom

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Speaker 1: from this, he's pretty clean with everything about him. You know,

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Speaker 1: Tiger has things attached to him. Am I just getting? Like?

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Speaker 1: What am I getting here? If I say Tiger? Am

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Speaker 1: am I reading too much into it? McLevin? I think

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Speaker 1: He's regional where Tiger is worldwide. I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: just he was doing things that hadn't been done in

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Speaker 1: football is still the sport, whereas golf is not. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Tiger was going to make it more fun, sexier. It's

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Speaker 1: still he's the goat. Tiger's not the goat. He might be.

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Speaker 1: Tom's the goat. I guess I would go Brady, Yeah, poem,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of Ironnie a Tom Brady football player almost unscathed.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have any permanent injuries. He had one year

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Speaker 1: Pollard hit. Tiger Woods is almost debilitated because of golf.

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Speaker 1: Football really took a stroll on him. Yeah, I McLevin.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, when you're in high school,

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Speaker 1: everybody wants to date the high school quarterback. Nobody wants

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Speaker 1: it was a football golf debate for me. Oh, I

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Speaker 1: with him every time he stepped on the court. It

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Speaker 1: really refrained him in a way that I'd never thought

427
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Speaker 1: about before. And it was as simple as me going

428
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Speaker 1: and finding his ancestors and seeing where his dad grew

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Speaker 1: up and lived in the cemetery at the country church

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Speaker 1: where his dad's buried, and literally just putting those little

431
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Speaker 1: stars on Google Maps and looking at me like this

432
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Speaker 1: is all in the same place. And I mean, was

433
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Speaker 1: no more complicated than that. At first. Why did Jordan

434
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Speaker 1: do this documentary? That's a really good question. I have

435
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: thought about that endlessly. Now. I never asked him because

436
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: I hadn't talked to him since it came out, But like,

437
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, the producer came to pitch

438
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Speaker 1: him on the morning of one of Lebron's championship and

439
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, like I might have been born at night,

440
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Speaker 1: but it wasn't last night. I feel that. I feel

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Speaker 1: like one of the most interesting things about it to

442
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Speaker 1: me is that it exists and that you know, it's

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Speaker 1: important to Michael that after you know, you saw it

444
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Speaker 1: was at the end of episode seven when he started

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Speaker 1: crying thinking about how he treated people and all that

446
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Speaker 1: this it cost. I mean, I felt like it's important

447
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Speaker 1: to him that people remember because he sacrificed a lot

448
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Speaker 1: for it, and it felt to me that it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, an attempt to remind people, Hey, this is

450
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Speaker 1: what it was like, this is who I was. You know,

451
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Speaker 1: we if you are Tiger Woods talking about how his

452
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Speaker 1: kids thought he was a YouTube golfer. You know, Michael

453
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Speaker 1: Jordan has six year old twins, which my I mean

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Speaker 1: I have, I have a two year old toddler, and

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm just getting crushed. I don't know how he's

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Speaker 1: doing with it. I bet, I bet he's got more

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Speaker 1: staff than I'm gonna I'm gonna gether. But but you know,

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Speaker 1: right there was part of me that felt sorry for

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Speaker 1: Jordan that documentary because this he we can look at

460
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Speaker 1: him and say this made him great. I don't think

461
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Speaker 1: he can turn that off. I just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It was a weird feeling I had, and you spent

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Speaker 1: time with him, Does that make any sense? To you.

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Speaker 1: I have long felt like Michael Jordan is actively engaged

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Speaker 1: in what to do with all what to do with

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Speaker 1: all of the trade that he's so carefully nurtured in himself.

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Speaker 1: And I think that he has thought about that since

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Speaker 1: he retired. And I mean, I think that's what the

469
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Speaker 1: Wizards was. I think that's what the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: speech was. I think he is actively engaged in dealing

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Speaker 1: with the idea and the cost of having been Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 1: I also we're talking to right Thompson, ESPN senior writer.

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Speaker 1: He's got a book out on Bourbon. Well, it's not

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Speaker 1: just about Bourbon, it's about family. It's about Bourbon, Pappy

475
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: van Winkle and the inheritance that matters the most. So

476
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: he also has his most recent story, The History of Flight,

477
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: tracing Michael Jordan's family relationship in rural North Carolina. You

478
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Speaker 1: hung out with Tiger Woods like the similarities between Tiger

479
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Speaker 1: and Michael. What is that? Well common thread? Well, I mean, well,

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Speaker 1: come things one. I mean, I've written about Tiger, I've

481
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Speaker 1: you know, I haven't spent a lot of time around Tiger.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that's interesting to me is that you know,

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Speaker 1: they were both Tiger Tiger patterned after Michael, like his

484
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Speaker 1: public life. And I think the thing that's so interesting

485
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Speaker 1: that we forget is these aren't widgets just to be replaced,

486
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Speaker 1: you know, Like Michael Jordan is an extreme extrovert and

487
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Speaker 1: Tiger Woods is an extreme introvert. And so there was

488
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Speaker 1: a little bit of sort of lack of understanding of

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Speaker 1: the person they were dealing with when they constructed his

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Speaker 1: public persona. And so I mean, I think the way

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Speaker 1: that you know, Jordan handled his better than Tiger handled

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Speaker 1: his because it was it fit him in a way

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Speaker 1: that being in public didn't fit Tiger. I mean, Jordan

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Speaker 1: is the alpha in the room, you know, and it

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Speaker 1: so air Jordan isn't that different from him. And I

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Speaker 1: feel like the public version of Tiger is very different

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Speaker 1: than Tiger. I also wondered about this with Jordan. Let's

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Speaker 1: say Jordan went four and two in NBA finals, we

499
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Speaker 1: would be critiquing him by saying, you know what, if

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Speaker 1: he spent more time dedicated and didn't go out gambling

501
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Speaker 1: and smoking cigars and playing golf. The fact that he

502
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Speaker 1: went six and oh, you know that just adds to

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Speaker 1: the mythology of Michael Georgian. Well, it's like, what did

504
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Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln say about General Grant when somebody was saying, like,

505
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: you know, he's drinking too much? And Lincoln was like, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to send to all my generals a kate whatever.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that, you know, maybe George had the right idea.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of drinking, Can you talk about this book that

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Speaker 1: you've written on Pappy van Winkle. I mean it, we're

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00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: still finishing it, so not a lot except that, uh

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00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: it is you know, it's a story about the history

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Speaker 1: of Pappy van Winkle bourbon wrapped in with I guess

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Speaker 1: my own story. It's a story about a man who

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Speaker 1: makes whiskey and about a man who drinks it. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I had all these grand literary ambitions because

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Speaker 1: it's sort of it's really John Rabending and I'm really

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Speaker 1: proud of that part of it. And then somebody read

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00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, let's eat prey love for Men.

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00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: So it's sort of like I was like, yeah, I

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00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: guess it's that too. I did want to like, uh,

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Speaker 1: let your you know, do something cool for your huge

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Speaker 1: and sprawling audience of listeners. So it's a it's available

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Speaker 1: for presale now. It's called pappy Land. Anybody that goes

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Speaker 1: out and can tweet out a like a screenshot that

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Speaker 1: says you bought it, you pre ordered it, and hashtag

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Speaker 1: at pappy Land so I can find it and then

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Speaker 1: write a sentence or two about who you want to

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Speaker 1: drink a bottle of this with and why, because ultimately

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Speaker 1: what the book is about is the community of bourbon.

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Speaker 1: And this thing comes out November tenth, and so just

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Speaker 1: keep these things coming and I'm gonna look at all

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Speaker 1: of them and whichever one moves me the most personally,

533
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna send somebody a free bottle of pappy. So,

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Speaker 1: like you know, uh, pre order the book, write about

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Speaker 1: who you want to share a bottle with and why,

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00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: tweet it hashtag pappy Land, and I'm gonna send somebody

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Speaker 1: a bottle because that's what this is really about. It's

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Speaker 1: not about hoarding. It's about sharing, and it's about sharing

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Speaker 1: it with someone who matters a lot to you. And

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Speaker 1: the rarity in the price tag on the bourbon is

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Speaker 1: a way in which you tell that person you're drinking

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Speaker 1: with that you care about them and you love them.

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00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: And to me, that's what it's really about. And this

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00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: audience responded, the last book you had out when you

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Speaker 1: came into the studio, right, dude. I walked in there

546
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Speaker 1: like thirty seven thousand on Amazon, and I walked out

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Speaker 1: of there at number eleven or something. Yeah, like like

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Speaker 1: believed me. Like when Wallace goes to college, I'm gonna

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00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: be like, now, thank Uncle Dan. Because I told people,

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Speaker 1: if you want the perfect gift, this is a beautiful

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00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: gift that you can give to anybody. The stories that

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00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: you had, and I said to look, our audience is

553
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: going to gobble this up. And I think you were like, yeah, right,

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00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: And this is where I'm going to co sign on

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00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: this again. If you want to get your father or

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Speaker 1: grandfather a gift this Christmas, Pappy Land will be that book.

557
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: And it's it's not about bourbon, but it is. It's

558
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: not about relationships, but it is like it's it's one

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00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: of those where you're reading it and you think you're

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00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: you're talking your knee deep in bourbon, and then next

561
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: thing you know, you're talking about visiting your father's grave site.

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00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: Like it's but it's all intertwined. And I think it'll

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00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: be beautifully written because it's by you, but the audience

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Speaker 1: this November. Look for pappy Land, but order it now,

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00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: and then do the hashtag pappy Land, and then let

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Speaker 1: write see why who you would share that pappy with?

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00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: And then he's going to pick out one and send

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00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: somebody a bottle. I'm looking at the prices here. Pappy's

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Speaker 1: not expensive, right, The secondary market on Pappy is really expensive.

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Speaker 1: So let like these are crazy numbers. A ten year

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Speaker 1: bottle is fifty one dollars on the secondary market. Six

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00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: eighty five. Here's a thirteen year rise eighty six dollars.

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00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: It's too grand on the secondary market. Oh but wait,

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00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: there's more. The Pappy twenty five year old is thirteen

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Speaker 1: fifty for the bottle. It's twenty thousand dollars on this

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00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: secondary market. There, Duke twenty grand. I could buy one

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00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: of these centered console fishing boats that just drove five

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Speaker 1: I mean, like you know, I mean, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: you know, talking about drinking a bottle with people I

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Speaker 1: care about. When the book comes out on opening day,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna fly up there. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do this in person like it's supposed to be done.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go deep on the whole thing and wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: what do you mean deep on the whole thing? Yeah,

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00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna sit there yet, deep on the bottle of

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00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: whistle of the bottle. Okay, okay, So you're gonna bring

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Speaker 1: in a pappy and we'll drink it on the show

588
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: while I do the interview. Yes, what year are we drinking?

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00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to sound oh whoa, no, No,

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00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I just wanted to know, like what fifteen?

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00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: All right, that's that's my favorite. I had the twelve

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Speaker 1: the other night. I sent you a picture, though I did.

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Speaker 1: I like that. The twelve is great. Uh. I will

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Speaker 1: bring a bottle of pappy fifteen nice, nice, and we're

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00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna get into it. Might even give Todd

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Speaker 1: some I don't know, Fritzie. Mate, Well that's not a

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00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 1: pretty picture. Hey, enjoy the beach once again. The book

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Speaker 1: is pappy Land. Also the article on ESPN History of

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Speaker 1: Flight about Michael Jordan's family with the relationship with rural

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, and look for pappy Land. Pre order it,

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00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: hashtag pappy Land and right will read what you say

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00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: as far as who you would want to share that

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Speaker 1: bottle of bourbon with? Great great to talk to you, buddy.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're hope you're healthy. Thank you. Thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Thompson. If he writes it, I read it.

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Speaker 1: That's how good I think he is. We'll take a

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Speaker 1: break here. Phone calls coming up, and speaking of writers,

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Speaker 1: Sam Smith, who wrote The Jordan Rules, joins his top

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Speaker 1: of the hour here on The Dan Patrick Show. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure

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Speaker 1: eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and

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Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show sad to report Jerry Sloan, former

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Speaker 1: Utah Jazz head coach, has passed away. Asked away this

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Speaker 1: morning due to complications from Parkinson's and dementia. He was

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Speaker 1: seventy eight years of age. I'm so old. I saw

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Speaker 1: Jerry Sloan play in the NBA with the Chicago Bowls,

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Speaker 1: and then of course to be around him. I didn't

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Speaker 1: get to know him during the NBA finals, but he

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Speaker 1: was there there a long time. And you know it's

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Speaker 1: synonymous when you say Stockton and Malone that you should

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Speaker 1: say Jerry Sloane as well, because he pretty much epitomized

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Speaker 1: that organization. But Hall of Fame basketball coach Jerry Sloan

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Speaker 1: passing away at the age of seventy eight. We have

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Speaker 1: our Discover moment of the week and we take you

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Speaker 1: back to the first hour of the show when Chris

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Speaker 1: Webber told a great story about Michael Jordan. I really

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Speaker 1: feel I'm a really good teammate because I was always

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Speaker 1: about my teammates. That was my goal to get you

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Speaker 1: the ball, to make sure because they do so much

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Speaker 1: for you. And this is the one day I wasn't

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Speaker 1: a good friend or a teammate. We get We put

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Speaker 1: into the Bays Arena right up under there where you're

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Speaker 1: parking you can see little restaurants and everything. And getting

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Speaker 1: off with my suit in my bag, you know, in

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Speaker 1: game mode, and Jawan is in front of me walking

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Speaker 1: off the bus. I'm talking junk to him, whispering in

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Speaker 1: his ear, and we get off the bus and directly

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Speaker 1: across like a cartoon, like a like a movie like Shaft. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was like Shaft, like Jordan was sitting back on

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Speaker 1: the Ferrari slogan a cigar before the game, and in

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Speaker 1: this series, I think they we played them three games

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Speaker 1: and they only beat us by seven points total. So

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Speaker 1: we thought, you know, we thought we were have stuff.

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Speaker 1: And we get off and he goes, hey, Webb, who's

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Speaker 1: checking me? And I looked at Juwan and we both

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Speaker 1: looked back at Calvert Chaney. It did like this. That

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Speaker 1: was so whack of us Man. I was so wrong

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Speaker 1: with us Man. And I think he gave us fifty

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Speaker 1: three fifty five or something or something like that. It

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Speaker 1: was so crazy. I remember telling Jawan when Jean was

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Speaker 1: on the free throw line, I was like, he saw

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Speaker 1: his soul, He saw his soul to the devil to

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Speaker 1: be good in basketball. He looked at me like maybe

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Speaker 1: I did. Maybe I didn't. That's great and maybe there

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Speaker 1: is some truth there. Did he sell his soul to

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Speaker 1: Would he have for me today? Yeah? I watched the

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Speaker 1: last Nance documentary. We've talked a lot about and kind

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Speaker 1: of criticized some of the things Jordan does. But the

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Speaker 1: one thing we haven't criticized, and I think Seton will

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Speaker 1: have my back on this is his taste in music.

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Speaker 1: Kenny Lattimore, I mean, I don't I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he's in my top five artists named Kenny. There's Kenny

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Speaker 1: g and Kenny Loggins, Kenny Rogers. I think there's an

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Speaker 1: Almond brother named Kenny too, so I put him in there.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you, Dale, I didn't really think

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Speaker 1: of that. With Michael's music taste, Yeah, Seton, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna back him on that, just because you know, R

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Speaker 1: and B soul gospel music isn't necessarily my wheelhouse, so

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Speaker 1: I'm not nearly educated up. But it is another one

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Speaker 1: of those fascinating things that's revealed by Michael Jordan that

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Speaker 1: even in that moment, he's Michael Jordan. Okay, he's the

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Speaker 1: absolute king of the sports world, and he's still like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got this album not even out yet, you know,

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Speaker 1: and he still feels like I'm special. He's a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine, he gave it to me. Album's not even

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Speaker 1: out yet. Marvin in Iowa. Hi, Marvin, what do you

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Speaker 1: have for me? Hey? DP By ten two twenty, the

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Speaker 1: Governor of Iowa and the governing boards of the Iowa

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Speaker 1: High School Association just granted within the last couple of

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Speaker 1: days for summer high school baseball to start in Iowa

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Speaker 1: practice June first, in games June fifteenth, with times being

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Speaker 1: are of the r Do you think people would tune

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Speaker 1: in and watch that if somebody chose to broadcast it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably so in Iowa. But thanks for the phone call. Look,

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Speaker 1: we're watching Korean baseball. I'd watch it. Yeah, I'm fine

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Speaker 1: with it. Weber was right. Jordan scored fifty five points

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Speaker 1: in Game two at Chicago and the average margin of

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Speaker 1: victory was six points per game. Yeah. These guys, they

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Speaker 1: all have those memories where you go, yep, that's not

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Speaker 1: leaving my memory bank anytime soon. Denny in Ohio, Hi, Denny,

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Speaker 1: what do you have for me today? Good morning Dan

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Speaker 1: from the old listener of w VUD six two About

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Speaker 1: two tan Now, the wife wanted me to call you,

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Speaker 1: and I need to call you. I need your help.

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Speaker 1: We were out of things to watch and you haven't.

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Speaker 1: We caught on to Bosch, went through it went through

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Speaker 1: Ozark and now we're just I mean, we're on EASTTV

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Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. I need help. Well, Danny, I

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Speaker 1: hate to break it to you, but you might have

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Speaker 1: to break down and talk to your wife and like

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Speaker 1: have like a grown up discussion or something, get to

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Speaker 1: know her. Well. I try to do that, but I

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Speaker 1: need your help because because because she loved Bosh and

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Speaker 1: she loved Ozark. So what about better call Saw, better

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Speaker 1: call Saul. Yeah that'll work. Yeah, you got all your

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Speaker 1: next week? Yeah, you got you got four seasons. A

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Speaker 1: better call Saul and call me next week. Denny. If

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Speaker 1: you're still married, everything's good, you call me. If not,

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Speaker 1: then don't call me. Okay, thank you? All right, Denny,

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Speaker 1: there you go. Yes, I hate to break it to

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Speaker 1: Denny too, but most of the shows we're gonna recommend

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Speaker 1: or some type of home renovation show anyway. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be on one of the other jail. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: building off the grid right to the main cabin masters,

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Speaker 1: you know, Chipping Joanna. I've although they're on their own

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Speaker 1: network like Magnolia or something like that. Yes, bo if

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Speaker 1: real men are building something in a remote state. We're watching, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: alrighty coming up, we'll talk to Sam Smith, he wrote

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Speaker 1: The Jordan Rules. I want to know how he reacted

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Speaker 1: when he heard Jordan talk about Horace Grant being the snitch.

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Speaker 1: The source for Sam Smith's book The Jordan Rules. Two

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Speaker 1: hours in the Books, One More to Go. Seen Paulie

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Speaker 1: Fritzie mccleven years truly here on The Dan Patrick Show