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Speaker 1: up listeners? Yeah, a little emergency episode, episode number sixty three.

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Speaker 1: Originally me and James maybe thought sixty two point five. No,

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Speaker 1: we're going with episode number sixty three. Mets have made

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Speaker 1: three big moves on the precipice of making maybe a

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Speaker 1: fourth splash on the market. A lot of big stuff

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Speaker 1: going on here at Wardo Escobar, Starling, Marte, Mark Hanna

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Speaker 1: are New York Mets and for all relatively affordable contracts.

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Speaker 1: Jeter had no range. Let's bring in James here. Hees

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Speaker 1: had a little bit of a tough day. It's not

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Speaker 2: No, it hasn't. As I'm sure some of you guys

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm also genuinely just said I'm actively ruthing

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Speaker 1: I was just about to say a little behind the

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Speaker 1: But we're at that level tonight, So.

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Speaker 1: I have a good feeling that a lot of those

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Speaker 2: And pitching development system, There's no doubt about that. But

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll say this because I've said about other

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna lose us games by any means. No,

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Speaker 2: There's almost no risk. He's only two years, thirteen million

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Speaker 2: You never heally hear large people call pests. You know. No,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was super interesting to talk about too.

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Speaker 1: Like you just mentioned, like he has an edge. Edward

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Speaker 2: jump on another outfielder, especially when they have like this

430
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Speaker 2: outfield depth that they've had the last few years, possibly

431
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Speaker 2: with a couple of guys. But I think he's the

432
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Speaker 2: most athletic player the Mets have had literally since Jose Reyis.

433
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Speaker 1: Which is crazy to say bringing in a thirty three

434
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Speaker 1: year old, but I saw like a really fun comparison.

435
00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,520
Speaker 1: They're not really the same player like at all, but

436
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Speaker 1: I like the idea of it. Someone's comparing him to

437
00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,920
Speaker 1: win the Mets. Broun in Granderson a few years back.

438
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Speaker 1: He was like in his mid thirties as well, coming

439
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Speaker 1: off of like being a different player, and he kind

440
00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,439
Speaker 1: of changed his game a little bit. I think Storling

441
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Speaker 1: Marte is completely different shape than Curtis Granderson is going

442
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Speaker 1: to probably like live his peak a little bit longer

443
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Speaker 1: than Granderson did with the Mets. But I just I

444
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Speaker 1: like Storling Marte all around. He plays really good defense.

445
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Speaker 1: If you like average, he hits for a high average.

446
00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,960
Speaker 1: He still gets on base. He stole forty seven freaking

447
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Speaker 1: basses last year, which was almost as much as the

448
00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,440
Speaker 1: entire Mets did, which is a funny stat to just

449
00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,440
Speaker 1: throw out there. And he's got some pop in that back.

450
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Speaker 1: We've seen him play in Miami, we've seen him play

451
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Speaker 1: in Pittsburg. He can hold down that center field real

452
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Speaker 1: well for at least two more years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I do think the Kuris Granderson comp is

454
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Speaker 2: a very good one because while Grandison did get on

455
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Speaker 2: base more and that kind of helped his floor a

456
00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,879
Speaker 2: little bit with the Mets, you're just getting like a

457
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Speaker 2: guy who's used athleticism as like one of their main

458
00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,640
Speaker 2: calling cards in a time in their life when athleticism

459
00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,639
Speaker 2: could go away rather quickly and it wouldn't really be surprising,

460
00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,760
Speaker 2: Like Starling Martine could pull a hamstring any day now,

461
00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,480
Speaker 2: it's very possible, and that especially as the New York Met.

462
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Speaker 2: Absolutely the New York Mets pull tons of hamstrings and

463
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Speaker 2: just and while Grandison played a little bit of center

464
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Speaker 2: field for the Mets, he kind of fell off like

465
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Speaker 2: rather quickly there and he never really was the type

466
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Speaker 2: of guy who you wanted to see out there. Was

467
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Speaker 2: more of like a necessity thing to gets bat in

468
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Speaker 2: the lineup, but keep the line up stronger to have

469
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Speaker 2: him out there. And Grandson did have four good seasons

470
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Speaker 2: with the Mets. Like he was always above league average

471
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Speaker 2: as a bat, he was almost above league average as

472
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Speaker 2: defender a few times, only really once. And he actually

473
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Speaker 2: turned in a five win season with the Mets, which

474
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Speaker 2: the inc that Mets gave Curtis Granerson having a five

475
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,400
Speaker 2: win season was well above what they expected. It probably

476
00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:05,760
Speaker 2: makes the whole thing worth it. I think that's kind

477
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Speaker 2: of the same deal with Starling Marte. I think the

478
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,520
Speaker 2: Mets are really more concerned with these first two years

479
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Speaker 2: of Starling Marte than the last two, which is okay,

480
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Speaker 2: because the way the Nimo has been playing center field

481
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Speaker 2: the last year and a half, I'm confident that he

482
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Speaker 2: can play it in the future and not be bad

483
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Speaker 2: at it. So to just save Starling's legs a little

484
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Speaker 2: bit like it's be fine to even just like platune

485
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,119
Speaker 2: him and Nemo and center, even though they both are

486
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Speaker 2: in the lineup for one hundred and fifty plus games.

487
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Speaker 2: The question now is that whether the Mets will change

488
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Speaker 2: their tone philosophically and actually steal more bases because you're

489
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Speaker 2: losing a ton of Starling Marte's value if he cannot do.

490
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Speaker 1: That, and I think you have to. You have to

491
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Speaker 1: let him run. You have to let him run. That's

492
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Speaker 1: something that has like you said, that's a big part

493
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Speaker 1: of his value. Stealing forty seven bases a team that's

494
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Speaker 1: forty seven walks or singles that turned into doubles. That's massive.

495
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Speaker 1: Those extra bases something that the Mets struggled with last year.

496
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Speaker 1: Getting those extra bases. He adds that to your lineup.

497
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Speaker 1: You gotta let this dude run free. I mean, like

498
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about with lineup construction and stuff, but if

499
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Speaker 1: he gets on base and there's it's empty, I mean,

500
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Speaker 1: you gotta give him the green light.

501
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:06,719
Speaker 2: You have to.

502
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Speaker 1: And that's a big philosophical change, like you said, for

503
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Speaker 1: the Mets, because we just haven't run since Jose Reyes.

504
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Speaker 2: Definitely, and we're becoming it seems like a very analytic,

505
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 2: analytically based front office. If you look at all three

506
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,399
Speaker 2: of these guys, there were favorites of most of the

507
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,399
Speaker 2: projection systems heading into last season, especially ATC, which is

508
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 2: designed by Ariel Cohen, one of the favorites of fangrafs.

509
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 2: He's very consistently one of the sharpest fantasy baseball players around.

510
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,440
Speaker 2: And similarly to how some NFL teams have really jumped

511
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 2: into the PFF analysis, like you're gonna see a lot

512
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,119
Speaker 2: of the MLB teams, while they have their own internal projections,

513
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,879
Speaker 2: probably pull a lot from these other systems. And the

514
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 2: fact that the Mets are really pulling from that makes

515
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Speaker 2: me think that that's kind of a way they're moving.

516
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Speaker 2: And you talk about a lot about getting Starling Marteta's

517
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Speaker 2: second base now it's a big part of his game.

518
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,199
Speaker 2: And we all know the stat that last year the

519
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Speaker 2: Mets were the only team in baseball to have runners

520
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Speaker 2: score from second base less than fifty percent of singles.

521
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Speaker 2: Those dead last to the Major League Baseball one of

522
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Speaker 2: the lowest percentages we've seen in literal years. This is

523
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Speaker 2: stat courtesy of Jacob Resna who we've talked about a

524
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Speaker 2: few times in this podcast, but Starling Martey when he

525
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 2: reached second base score then seventy nine percent of singles

526
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Speaker 2: eighty five percent overall since the year twenty nineteen. That's

527
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Speaker 2: a massive, massive deal. The guy's incredible acceleration. He's an

528
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 2: amazing athlete. He just really gets a good jump because

529
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Speaker 2: he gets a good read. He knows how to fucking

530
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Speaker 2: play baseball. It's just whether the Mets have this philosophical

531
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Speaker 2: mindset to get him to that base. And that's gonna

532
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Speaker 2: be a real fascinating aspect of this team that I'm

533
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Speaker 2: moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think like even a guy like Canna, I

535
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Speaker 1: know he's not Starling Martey's speed, but Canna was like

536
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Speaker 1: in the sixty eighth percentile and sprint speed. He stole

537
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Speaker 1: twelve bases last year, which would put him as like

538
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Speaker 1: probably one of the highest guys on the Mets were

539
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Speaker 1: stolen bases. Not that he's this speed demon, but he's

540
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Speaker 1: another guy who definitely takes advantage on the bass path.

541
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Speaker 1: And that's something that the Mets a bad base running team.

542
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Speaker 1: That's that right there that you just said proves they

543
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Speaker 1: are a bad Unathletic base running team. We talked about

544
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Speaker 1: how great Lindor was on the basis and how great

545
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 1: Hobby was on the basis. Nobody and Nimo, nobody else.

546
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Speaker 1: Though outside of those guys, a lot of guys would

547
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: clogging up. I mean, didn't help McNeil had the hamstring.

548
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: Didn't help that Florid Oh had the hamstring. But then

549
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 1: he got guys like Dom Smith, Pete Alonzo, j D.

550
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: Davis who basically run with a piano on their back.

551
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and all of these guys, especially Starling Marte, were

552
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: kind of studs and fangraffs. His base running metric, Marte

553
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 2: led the league Canaho was above league average. And I'm

554
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Speaker 2: actually I'm gonna wait for Escobars. Yes, that's sload right now.

555
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Speaker 1: I was looking up his sprint speed too. I can't

556
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Speaker 1: imagine it's very high. He's gotta be like twentieth percentile

557
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: and water West Sportes actually fifty ninth percentile. That's above average.

558
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: That's above Average's pretty good.

559
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: That's shocking to me.

560
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: It's a good spot to be.

561
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Speaker 1: And for a little perspective, wait, hold on what percentile

562
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Speaker 1: was Jonathan vr in sprint speed last year?

563
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 2: Sixty fifty seventh.

564
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: Below at Wardo Escobar. I never in my life would

565
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Speaker 1: have guessed that.

566
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Speaker 2: And there you go. And Escobar was above league average

567
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Speaker 2: and the base running metric and not very well above that,

568
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Speaker 2: and he's going meander around. That was probably just standard deviation.

569
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Speaker 2: But these are at least, like we said, these are

570
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Speaker 2: at least just baseball players. We said last year the

571
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Speaker 2: Mets needed baseball players, they lacked actual baseball players. And

572
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 2: all three of these guys are legit baseball players. And again,

573
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Speaker 2: I don't really think any of these guys will probably

574
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Speaker 2: have no PS over eight hundred if I'm being honest

575
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: with you. If I had to bet, can Heal definitely

576
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: go under. Escobar will probably go under, and Marte hoped

577
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 2: on that, but there's a good chance into the field

578
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: he will go under. Like that's just the way the

579
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: mess world works. But the end of the day, they

580
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: just got They got three baseball players for affordable rates

581
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Speaker 2: for not that many years. Except for Marte, that's a

582
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: good thing. Yeah, no, yeah, I like it a lot.

583
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Speaker 1: And having these guys now who are gonna slot in

584
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Speaker 1: as everyday players most likely builds the depth to because

585
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Speaker 1: now you have a guy like McNeil, who's gonna kind

586
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: of turn into that role that we thought g Jormy

587
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: was gonna play last year. And now he's probably gonna

588
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: play four hundred at bats, playing second, third, left, right,

589
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna jump around the field, giving guys days off.

590
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Speaker 1: He's still gonna get his at bats. We're probably keeping

591
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Speaker 1: one of jd or Dom and they now come off

592
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Speaker 1: the bench. They're not gonna be playing every day, or

593
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Speaker 1: they get to be in the DH roll where we

594
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Speaker 1: don't have to worry about their absolutely atrocious fielding. Yes,

595
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Speaker 1: I like that this team is getting deeper, building a

596
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Speaker 1: more complete roster. We still need to address the pitching

597
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: big time. That is the biggest issue right now. It's glaring.

598
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: But the offense is looking a lot strong. And when

599
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: we think about this lineup that we're gonna try to

600
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: build out right now, it's pretty deep one through six,

601
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: one through sevens. It's pretty tough.

602
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: None to doubt. And I think that the contracts given

603
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: to Escubar in Canada actually give the Mets mobility to

604
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: sign guys to play over them. Like and like we

605
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 2: did make fun of people saying that Markanaha wouldn't be

606
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: a regular, but he is regular right now given the

607
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 2: roster construction, but there's still a possibility he is not

608
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Speaker 2: depending on what happens. And that's kind of brought like

609
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 2: vague and broad, and that's kind of weird, but like,

610
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: there is a world where the Mets do still sign

611
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: Chris Bryan or the Mets do still sign Javier Bias,

612
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: and that pushes Jeff McNeil to a firm outfield role,

613
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Speaker 2: and that suddenly puts Kanaha, Escobar and McNeil in everyday

614
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: competition for these at bats, and there's a there's a

615
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: world of Jeff McNeil. It's better than either of those guys,

616
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Speaker 2: it's not both of them. And that's a fair place

617
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: to be for all three. Yeah.

618
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Speaker 1: I mean, Jeff Minia could come into spring training and

619
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Speaker 1: look right back to normal and he could be playing

620
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Speaker 1: third base over Atwardo Escobar. It's very possible that those guys'

621
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Speaker 1: positions could be switching, especially if they get Hobby at

622
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Speaker 1: second base. That's huge.

623
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Speaker 2: I keep forgeting about Hobby at second base, but let's

624
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Speaker 2: let's jump into that out because I think that's the

625
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: next thing looming over the Mets. Besides for this Gausman

626
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: Stroman decision. Do you think that Hobby Buys is gonna

627
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: be a Met after this flurry of moves? It's bizarre.

628
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: It seems like the Mets he's the one guy. And

629
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Speaker 1: I know where we talked about Stroman a little bit too,

630
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: but it seems like Javier Bias is the one guy

631
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: that they're not willing to get too aggressive with the

632
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: money on because it looks like Hobby's asking for a lot.

633
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the number that seems beginning thrown around six

634
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: two hundred million, and that's just simply way too much money.

635
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: That's like twice as much money as I would even

636
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: consider giving him. And I think that Hovey tried to

637
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: pull a fast one on the Mets. The report came

638
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: out on Wednesday morning that having the Tigers were gaining

639
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 2: momentum towards the deal, and this came directly on the

640
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Speaker 2: heels of the Steve Cohen outburst about Steven Mattz. It's

641
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 2: kind of crazy. We haven't even recorded an episode since then,

642
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: so I guess we should touch on that. Maybe we

643
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 2: kind of did. I don't even care. It doesn't matter

644
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: where Steven mats is irrelevant. Who gives a fuck. Yeah,

645
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: the Mets. The Mets world moves way too quickly for

646
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: us to give two fucks about Steven mass signing a

647
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: four year, ten million dollar deal with the fucking Cardinals.

648
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: Whatever.

649
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: He'll be good there, I know, will be good. There's

650
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: been great. Oh yeah, he'll have a four point oh

651
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: four next year's no doubt about it. Yeah. Yeah, But

652
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: it felt like that the Mets reeling, and that Javey's agency,

653
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: Wasserman Sports, is very aware of the public pressure being

654
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: put on the Mets and just the fact that they

655
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: actually care about that, and they kind of wanted to

656
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 2: leak some bullshit to see if the Mets.

657
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: That was a planned leak.

658
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, see if the Mets would jump and they keep

659
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: dropping these six for two hundred things, And the Mets

660
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: did not, because they know no one in baseball would

661
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: actual value a Haavy Bias like that. And now seems

662
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 2: like they pivoted off Hovey Baya is like, possibly for

663
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: half of a personal reason, which would not shock me

664
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: at all. It's Steve Cohen, Billy Yeppler and the rest

665
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: of the boys club would pivot off of a player

666
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: like javieror Baias because they thought they were getting bamboozled.

667
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Cohen was not happy when that Steven Matts

668
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: thing happened.

669
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: He was pissed.

670
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: I really do think he took that personally as like, oh, yeah,

671
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: you're not gonna give me the richest man in baseball

672
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 1: the chance to give your fucking pitcher the final offer.

673
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: Well guess what, fuck you, we're getting everybody else. Now

674
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: we're getting the guys I want. If I want you,

675
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: you're gonna be here. I'm gonna make it that you

676
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: are here. So yeah, I think if the Mets wanted Hobby,

677
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: they would really be more aggressive. I think they have

678
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: their number that they would take Javier Bias back for,

679
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: and if Hobby Bias decides to accept it, they will

680
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: take them with open arms. But if Hobby's looking for

681
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: that six to two hundred million, you can't do that.

682
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: You can't. No, definitely, there's no there's no galaxy or

683
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: Javier Buyas is really worth that. And I don't even

684
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: know how much he raises this team's like level. If

685
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: he is signed for that much money.

686
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: There is inherent risk with bringing Hoavier Bias back on

687
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: any contract a six year one for two hundred million,

688
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: where he's one of the highest paid players in baseball.

689
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: No way, I shit myself Hobby buys at a six

690
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: year contract. I really would, And I just I want

691
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: to give some credit to the Mets for not folding

692
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: to the public pressure to sign Hobby Bias. Just the

693
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: fact that while the Mets Twether brigade is ravenous and

694
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: unfair and just a little bit downright misinformed and mean

695
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: at times, like just the fact that they can still

696
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 2: maintain their level of value is okay. Like Sam, I

697
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: think with Steven Mets, there's no galaxy with Steven Matts

698
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: should be getting more than twelve thirty million dollars a year.

699
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: The Mets had their number. They know there's fifteen other

700
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: pitchers on the market who could fill a similar role,

701
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 2: and they said, no, thank you, We'll move on to

702
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: the next one. Like the Steven Mass situation happened in

703
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: January February, I'd be like, yeah, this is bad, and

704
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: maybe they should have showed out two extra million dollars.

705
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: Same thing with Cindergard, but it didn't. It's fucking November

706
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving with three days ago, We're about to have a

707
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: lockout in four days. Like things are different and at the.

708
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: End of the day, it's Steven fucking Matts. We're talking

709
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: about a five starter in our rotation. Like, we can't

710
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: lose sleep over this guy. You can't go back to

711
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: your ex girlfriend and be upset.

712
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: You just can't.

713
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: If you don't want to come back, you don't want

714
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: to come back, see you later, move on.

715
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: Also, like if the Mets did shell out the money

716
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: to sign Steven Mattz and shit like didn't go well

717
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: at first and he had a four year contract, Dude,

718
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: you know he would suck.

719
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: If he came back here. He's a mental dwarf. He

720
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: just can't possibly, he can't possibly pitch well in New York.

721
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: There's no way. Just like, even if that second start

722
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: of the year in Atlanta he gave up six runs

723
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: and four innings, it would be a catastrophe. All the

724
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: asshole in w F A N would lose their goddamn minds.

725
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: Joe from Staten Island would bust a fucking cap. If

726
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: this guy can't pitchure in New York, what is Steve

727
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: Cohen doing? Why would you bring it back? Did you

728
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,239
Speaker 2: not see it? We all saw it. I would never

729
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: have signed Stephen Mattz.

730
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: How could you yeah, like it was.

731
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: It was a disaster.

732
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: I like the idea that they, like you said, they

733
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: had their price, they went over, they didn't get it.

734
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: Okay, see you later next time. John Gray's right there,

735
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: Alex cop is right there.

736
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: So the best, the best thing that's happened for it

737
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: is that Steve Cohen is on a war path. He's

738
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: on a war path.

739
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: I want to kind of give you a a would

740
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: you rather? I want to give you a would you rather?

741
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: As we wrap up with some shortened emergency episode Eve,

742
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: though it's not gonna be short because we cannot talk

743
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: shortly about the Mets right now as the Mets roster

744
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: currently stands, would you rather have how the year Bias

745
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: or Chris Bryant on the team?

746
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: Chris Bryant?

747
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah? So you firmly trust the combination of a

748
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: while the wescl bar and Jeff Mneil plays second base

749
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: for the foreseeable future. I do I do with Chris

750
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 2: Bryant in that lineup?

751
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: I think that Chris gives you a way way higher

752
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: floor than Hobby Byas because we've seen Hobby Baye as

753
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: bad and Hobby Baya is bad is pretty useless Chris

754
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: brian bad is still pretty good.

755
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, because Chris Brian's bad is just like

756
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: not really fun or exciting, but okay, Chris Brian's bad

757
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: is kind of just like an waterbar is good. Yeah,

758
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: And while Hove bias as bad as bad, it's like

759
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: only bad for a little bit of time, but like

760
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: over the large sample, like I believe it always will

761
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: be good.

762
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: Here here's the thing. I'm completely like. I want Hobby back.

763
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: I'll take him back again for the right deal. I'm

764
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: always down. I'm not anti. I'm I'm not anti Hobby

765
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: by any means. I want this guy on the team.

766
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: But if you're giving me the same contract, the same money,

767
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: Chris Brian Hobby byas I think I'm going Chris Brian,

768
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Chris Brian to me, I've done it myself.

769
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes just like he because he is

770
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: he is so boring. We were talking about this earlier,

771
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: said Todd Frazier's milk at Wardo Escobar's rum. Chris Brian

772
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: is just tap water. He is so boring. There's no spice,

773
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: there's no flavor. He's got to be the most boring

774
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: per in baseball more than Mike Trout. At least Mike

775
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: Trout likes the weather in planes. Chris Bryan's got nothing.

776
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you anything about him.

777
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: He's probably a Mormon, right, there's a chance. I don't know.

778
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't care, honestly, But even so you want to know.

779
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't care because he's not interesting at all. But

780
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: he does play good baseball pretty much every year.

781
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: Not wrong about that. You know, it's a good question.

782
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: I asked you that question without even having an answer myself.

783
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: I would just playing Devil's after for a second. I

784
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: just really don't know. I just truly don't know.

785
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: I think there's no wrong answer with that one, though.

786
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: I really don't think there's wrong in it might even

787
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: be a right one that there's definitely not a right one.

788
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: By no means is there a right one, and by

789
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: no means is it coming from me.

790
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: If the choice is like Kevin Goussman and either Javier

791
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: Bias or Chris Bryant, I would rather have Kevin Gousman

792
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: and Marcus Stroman than either Javier Bias or Chris Bryant.

793
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: Agreed. I agreed, I would much rather go all in

794
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: on the pitching right now than to get another big bat.

795
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I think that's a good chance that next

796
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: year we see there we see either one of Mark

797
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: Viento's Bred Baye or Khalia Lee, if not more than one,

798
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: come up and play at least about league average, play

799
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: with a bat in their hands.

800
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: That's what it's gonna bring up too. It was like,

801
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: I know, it's never a problem to have too many

802
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: good players. And I make funny Yankee fans for this too,

803
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: because they're like, why we signed Korea and we have

804
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: Anthony Volpi and Oswaldo Parraza and it's like, well, because

805
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: he's freaking Carlos Korea. So you can never have too

806
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: many good players.

807
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: But I do.

808
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: I fell in love with Brett Baidy as a player.

809
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: I did. I want to see that guy playing third

810
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: base at some point in the future. Getting a guy

811
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: like Chris Bryant, I know he could play the outfield,

812
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: but feels like it kind of locks down a.

813
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: Position for him. Yeah, that's true. But based on the

814
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: way the Mets signed these three guys, it's kind of

815
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: clear that they really want to win the next two years.

816
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. I mean, they blew through the

817
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: luxuries asks.

818
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, even keeps talking about a nineteen million dollars if

819
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: you're not trying to win all division title next season,

820
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, all three of these guys at at

821
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: least thirty two years old, which gives them a little

822
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: bit of an hero and risk more so than a

823
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 2: lot of the guys that we thought the Mets were

824
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: going to sign this offseason. And this is exactly what

825
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: we talked about, like the wather, the Mets were gonna

826
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 2: make moves and signal a direction. This is a direction

827
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: spend money and win right now.

828
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: And we did say that like the first moves that

829
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: they were gonna make, we're gonna tell the entire offseason.

830
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: While they didn't get some garden loop, they got the

831
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: guys that do make this team better and this is

832
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: them line up. Let's talk about this because we haven't

833
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: talked about it.

834
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: Now. What is the lineup gonna look like?

835
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: Because I have one in my head and I don't

836
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: necessarily know if we're on the same page here, but

837
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: let's start off.

838
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: Who's leading off? I still think is Brand Emo.

839
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: It has to be Brand Nemo.

840
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: Right, I think?

841
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't just me so like the weird thing.

842
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: And I know this will be an argument on Twitter.

843
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna have this argument. I don't think it's right,

844
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: but they're gonna be like, how can Starling Martes steel bases?

845
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: Then if Nemo's on base in front of him, that's

846
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: gonna be an argument from somebody. And does that takeaway

847
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: Starling Marte's run game?

848
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: Was he exclusively off that LAS year with the A's?

849
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: Did he hit behind Marcana? Not sure?

850
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: Not sure what he did it with the A's. To

851
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: be honest, it was like thirty five games. I don't

852
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: watch a lot of Oaklanday's baseball on TV, but I

853
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: mean I do like Marte in the two hole. I

854
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: do like him there too.

855
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: I think that was gonna be my guy in the

856
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: two hole for sure. Also, brand Nemo, he can't still

857
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: bas with Brandon was on base ahead of him. Brandon

858
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: was on base what forty two percent of the time. Yeah,

859
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: that's okay. I'm sure there's all offset on occasion.

860
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure Starling Marte will get on base

861
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: forty five times or Brandon Nemo is.

862
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: Not on base minimum minimum, that's a soft estimate. I

863
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: think that's really Okay, I don't think you can think

864
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: about I don't think you can think about these lineup

865
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: developments in like a pinhole, like this is a large

866
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: stamp of the lineup. We're taking one hundred and sixty games,

867
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: five hundred play the appearances to these guys, Like that's

868
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: how you gy to think about it. At the end

869
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 2: of the day, I kind of just want those two

870
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: guys in my top two, which I do think kills

871
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: a little bit of Mark Kanna has value. I do

872
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: think it's kind of weird now that the Mets have

873
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: these three actual Mark he leadoff hitters after going years

874
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: without having even one.

875
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: So, like you said, like that might kill Mark Canna's value,

876
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: because he definitely did have some value. He let off

877
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of games in Oakland. But even then, among

878
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: outfielders has played appearances since twenty was his twenty eighteen,

879
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: he's like twenty eighth, So it's not like he's super

880
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: towards the top and like just getting around the order

881
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: a bunch, you know what I'm saying. So I don't know,

882
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: I think like as much as he did have value

883
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 1: hitting leadoff, I think he will be fine. And let's

884
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: say the five hole, which I think is a spot

885
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: where he could he could land.

886
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: I want to keep talking about this, but the first

887
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: ballot just dropped. Oh my god, Hall of Fame hysterical,

888
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: Jimmy Rollins No, and Ryan Howard, Oh is he from Philly?

889
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: Who dropped this? Who? I'm sure he's from Philly. Jack McCaffrey,

890
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: that's just I mean, that's criminal. He voted for Chris

891
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: Shilling last year and did not vote for him this

892
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: year and added the vote for Omar Viskell.

893
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: How does Omarin Vaskel get any vote?

894
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: Omar vas SkELL will be unquestionably the worst baseball player

895
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. It's not even close.

896
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: Here's a little we're leaving this in and this is

897
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: a tanker I think you guys will enjoy. But Omar

898
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: Bskell wouldn't even be my first choice for my ninth

899
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: hitter if you gave me an option, wouldn't even my

900
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: first number one nine hitter the greatest nine hitters of

901
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: all time, because that's what he is, He's a nine hitter.

902
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: I don't think omarvis SkELL was ever one of the

903
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: five best shortstops in baseball. I don't think he was

904
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: ever one of the best ten. But I will actually

905
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: say this. I was talking about this again the same

906
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: uncles at Thanksgiving Shatow, Uncle Lou, Uncle Frankie. But the

907
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: shortstop position is actually a position that was very weak

908
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: from all of history. Ever, who were your five best

909
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: shortops of all time?

910
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: As thought exercise, They're all modern Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter. Yeah,

911
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Derek Jeter, don't care, uh tough.

912
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: You're missing one very obvious one.

913
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm missing, Oh, Ernie Banks. There we go. Who's

914
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: the really obvious one that I'm missing? Because now you

915
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: put me on the spot. Cal Ripkin, Oh, Cal Ripkin. Yeah, definitely,

916
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: very obviously, very obvious. I forget you ask me for

917
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: the entire nay of the history of baseball here and

918
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: give me Wander Franco top five time.

919
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Honus Wagner's is similar.

920
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, suret steps a weak position, but he

921
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: still stinks. So he's still a bad player. Like we

922
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: had this argument remember with our friend Ernest though, who's

923
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: been on here. I'm like, I would take injured Detroit

924
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: Tulowitski over healthy Olmarviscal any.

925
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: Day of the week. Oh absolutely, I think Marcus Semyon.

926
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take Francisco Indoor. I'll take uh, Luis Ki,

927
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: armes O, marvisqual if you played in the nineties.

928
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: Oh, if you played on hundred sixty two games, for sure,

929
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: no doubt.

930
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: So we're really gonna make an argument for Luiski or

931
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: maybe in the Hall of Famer.

932
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure Luis is much nicer to his

933
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: wife slash girlfriend.

934
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely doesn't have the outstanding bad record outside of

935
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, baseball by any means.

936
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 2: But wow, that's this is a bad ballot. Holy crap,

937
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: bad ballot. You see it? Yeah, he put a Bobby

938
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: a Bray You too. I don't like that either. He

939
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: actually deleted it, and I'd be rather a screenshot of this.

940
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: So thank god for Ryan, Ryan Tibadell, Jack McCaffrey. My god.

941
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: All right, let's go back to the line up. Let's

942
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: go back to the lineup. So we had the first

943
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: two three, Who are you going within the three hole?

944
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: Lindor easy for me, yep.

945
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: The first four I think we got unlocked. There's really

946
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: no discussion there. Here's where you can get a little

947
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: interesting here, five, six, seven, because that's it's McCann. It's

948
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: McCann was catching. They deserve the least amount of bad pats.

949
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: We know that. Or nine. Technically the DHX year probably true.

950
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: Let's we don't have the DHS so we was just

951
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: assumed picture. But five six seven, what's your five six seven?

952
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: Looking like? I'm I would probably go McNeil Canha.

953
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: Escobar interesting, I would go Canna McNeil Escobar can.

954
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: I can see that just like he's beginning on base,

955
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: might as well get on in front of guys. Yeah,

956
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say something crazy. There's a good chance that

957
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: on opening day there's a guy whose name Ryan's but

958
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: Bobinson Bono who's hitting fifth.

959
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: Especially if there's the dh there's a very good chance

960
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: Robinson Cano is hitting fifth.

961
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: Could you imagine how people on Twitter are gonna feel

962
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 2: if Robinson is playing second base but ahead Jeff McNeil

963
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: a opening day man.

964
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna drive me crazy. It's gonna drive

965
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: really all the old heads just absolutely nuts.

966
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: And that's also if McNeil's still on the team. I

967
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: think now we're in a world where McNeil, Davis and

968
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: Smith are massive trade pieces.

969
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: I think McNeil. There's no chancey trader right now.

970
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 2: No chance.

971
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: I think there's a zero percent chance McNeil gets traded.

972
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: Billy Eppler, the guys that he got, they're all somewhat

973
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: versatile in that they do play multiple positions. I think

974
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: the Mets are taking that approach now, where you want

975
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: to have guys that can play multiple McNeil being able

976
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: to play second, third, and the corner outfield spots is

977
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: immensely valuable and whether you want to believe it or not,

978
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: it will he does have value on this team. That

979
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: does help them all right.

980
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: Two points about that one number one, you could have

981
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: rocks in your head and believe that is true. That

982
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: is more valuable to have guys who play multiple positions.

983
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: And two, based on the fact that all the teams

984
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: of baseball one guy's play multiple positions, A guy like

985
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil is actually the only guy out of that

986
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: glood that has any trade value whatsoever.

987
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: But his value is low right now.

988
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: It's low in terms of how we think about baseball.

989
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 2: I think the way these executives think about baseball is

990
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: one hundred percent projection, you know what I mean. And

991
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: the fact that a lot of these projections still look

992
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: upon McNeil favorably, means that he probably still has some value.

993
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: He probably doesn't have the value that he had in

994
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, but I think that we didn't even realize

995
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: how low his value was then.

996
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: You know, but don't you think that then gives the

997
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: Mets even more reason why they should hold on to

998
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: McNeil's that all the indicators are telling you he'll bounce back,

999
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: and then that's even better for this lineup. That Jeff

1000
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: McNeil's hidden, that's huge.

1001
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you a wood trade Jeff McNeil, but

1002
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: I think that him showing an ability to very well

1003
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: play the corner outfield, it's more valuable than him hitting

1004
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: three twenty twenty eighteen. Okay, that's fair, that's right to me.

1005
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: Out of those three guys that you named in Dom McNeil, JD,

1006
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: I think Dom is played his last game as a

1007
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: New York Met.

1008
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: I don't think Dom's back, But who the fuck are

1009
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: you getting for Dom? Smith?

1010
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: Crazy thought Dom might be a non tender.

1011
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: I know I said that a couple months ago.

1012
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: I know I think he might be a non tender.

1013
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna try and trade him. If they can't,

1014
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: they'll non tender him. I really do. There's just we

1015
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: love Dom. He's a good guy, he's a great dude.

1016
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: But find the way he played last year, there's just

1017
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: simply not a single spot on this roster for him.

1018
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: He just he'd be a pinch hitter. He'd be a

1019
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: pinch hitter who plays every five days, that's about it.

1020
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: And he'd be playing first base or dh to which

1021
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: Cannuck can play first base, Alonzaka play first base. There's

1022
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: guys on the free agent market that are basically free

1023
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: that could play first base. I mean it's not he's

1024
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: unfortunately plays a position that has a little to no

1025
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: value when you have no bat.

1026
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 2: Definitely, and that's only with the stipulation they actually has

1027
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: no bat. He might have no bat. He might have

1028
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: a bat, but it seems like there's a good chance

1029
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: he has at least a blow league average bat. And

1030
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: if as as a backup first base and the blow

1031
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: league average bat, you're looking at the poor man's James Loney,

1032
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: which I really don't need to be on this roster.

1033
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: I'd rather teach JD. Davis how to play first base

1034
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: than see Dom Smith swinging below average bad at least

1035
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: shady Davis. We know he will hit. He will hit.

1036
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: That's at he'll still hit.

1037
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: And for a guy who's on the bench, that's kind

1038
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: of what I want. I want guys who will hit.

1039
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: I don't want Albert al Moras. I want guys who

1040
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: will hit. And Tom Smith is a defensive first baseman right.

1041
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: Now, definitely is. But I think it's a good spot

1042
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: to close this out. I think that's a perfect spot. Yeah, we're,

1043
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: of course at our baseline of forty minutes. That's a

1044
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: good spot. Yeah, that's a good spot.

1045
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,480
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1046
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: of the mets Up Podcast, the Emergency Episode.

1047
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,480
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1048
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1049
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1050
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1058
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1059
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: We'll see it next time to talk more abouts baseball,

1060
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: hopefully Kevin Gosman peace out.

1061
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: Peace out. I see you next time.