WEBVTT - Ep. 89: Bear Grease [Render] - Tecumseh, the Black Bear Bonanza, & Misty's First Duck Hunt

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay and Nucleman. This is a production

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<v Speaker 1>of the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render

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<v Speaker 1>where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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<v Speaker 1>HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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<v Speaker 1>that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your favorite type of bonanza? Mine's when it's like

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<v Speaker 1>all yellow, no brown spots, no greens either. The favorite bonanza. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what that means, like the type

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<v Speaker 1>of fruit. It sounds like he's describing fruit. Oh, that

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<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, because bananza and banana are spelled close together.

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<v Speaker 1>Joke as much as just like a bad joke, like

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<v Speaker 1>a bad maybe dad jokeing. I think it's a dead joke. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get category. I eat a lot of brown

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<v Speaker 1>bananas because because it takes two seconds. I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>who'd rather eat a brown one that's like about to

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<v Speaker 1>be you know, look like turned out a banana. What

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<v Speaker 1>we call real love, a real made it an ethical

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<v Speaker 1>and moral you know statement inside of our house eat

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<v Speaker 1>brown bananas. Well, so that's where it started for me,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm not going to throw away bananas, but I

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<v Speaker 1>would prefer a yellow one. You know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>he would prefer I mean or did it like did

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<v Speaker 1>it just shift that way because of the moral stand

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm saying if he went to Walmart and there

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<v Speaker 1>was like brown ones there, he'd pick those up and

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<v Speaker 1>by the time we got home him, he would have

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<v Speaker 1>told us you're gonna eat those brown ones and you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna love it, because not everybody gets something for free

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<v Speaker 1>in life, right Gary, So play it's all about the

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<v Speaker 1>money man. My question though, is would he eat a

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<v Speaker 1>black bear bonanza? Yeah? Exactly where we're starting. We have

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<v Speaker 1>one Well, we have many many special guests today. One

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<v Speaker 1>of our special guest today James Brandenberg. James, this is

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<v Speaker 1>your first time on the Bear Grease is render Now

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<v Speaker 1>you're a longtime bear Grease scoring throwing a devote. So

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<v Speaker 1>James would have been on the Bear Grease podcast, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>last year that the black Bear Black Bears black Banza.

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<v Speaker 1>So the reason part of the reason James here, well

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<v Speaker 1>that's not why is here. He's here because he's James

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<v Speaker 1>Brannenberg and he's just here because he's jas and he's

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<v Speaker 1>got a cool truck. Got a good truck. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>a chivy A simmit, what is it? Thing? That's a

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<v Speaker 1>g m C a T four. It looks good. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got some I've got a GMC, but it's not quite

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<v Speaker 1>that new and fancy, James. It's got some nice flavor

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the campershell. Yep, we've got a pebble

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<v Speaker 1>mine stickers, a b H A sticker. It's got tires,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got the wheels. I mean, it's got the stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. You walked right past his truck, then walked

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<v Speaker 1>right past mine. What do you think of mine? I

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<v Speaker 1>thought your truck looked real good, totally functional, Silverado work truck,

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<v Speaker 1>edition to commercials, been to Montana pool and mules like

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<v Speaker 1>four times, New Mexico, Colorado, been all over the country

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<v Speaker 1>General Motors. And every time I think about that, that's

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<v Speaker 1>every time I think about that truck and you hauling

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<v Speaker 1>that mule trailer with two mules in it, with a

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<v Speaker 1>V six in there, I'm always impressed. Oh me too.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that. Everybody I passed and my impressing.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know I drove it the V six

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<v Speaker 1>in there, so with mules on the back and so

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you know, that kind of gives it

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<v Speaker 1>an extra layer of credibility because it was going about

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<v Speaker 1>twenty miles faster than went Drum all the way to Montampa.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have to have a souped up new GMC

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<v Speaker 1>to attend the black Bear Mananza? I hope not? Or

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<v Speaker 1>are all vehicles welcome? All vehicles welcome? Okay, the teacher

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<v Speaker 1>and me is wanting to put some structure to the

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<v Speaker 1>black Bear Bonanza. And what we're talking about. You tell

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<v Speaker 1>us about the black Bear Bonanza. Alright, alright, black Bear Bonanza.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a educational fundraising event. Um. It's put on by

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<v Speaker 1>Arkansas b h A. It'll be March four at the

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<v Speaker 1>Benton County Quail Barn in Bentonville, Arkansas. Starts fourth is

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<v Speaker 1>a Saturday. It is a Saturday. Let me start this over.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, this is a fundraiser event. People don't like

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<v Speaker 1>stop down, good time about Arkansas black Bears and a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of cool people in a podcast. And yeah, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be it'll be so much fun when people get there

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<v Speaker 1>that they won't even know it's fundraiser, fundraiser, educational event. Fundraisers.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard they were going to have a live Black

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<v Speaker 1>Bear just roaming loose in the event, dancing black Don't

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<v Speaker 1>let that secret get out. We need to keep that

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<v Speaker 1>in the what are we doing? What are we doing

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<v Speaker 1>at Black Bear? But okay, so we're gonna do we'll

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<v Speaker 1>have some cooking demos. Um, we're gonna do a Bear

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<v Speaker 1>Grease Render podcast. So we'll all be there, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean there will be. I mean, I'm pretty confident everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in this room will be there. Okay, I confident that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in this room will be there. I mean, I'll goot,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta talk to see if he'll come. I'll go

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<v Speaker 1>with you. I really want to you'll go. If Josh goes, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we gottas will be there. Yep. Brent's gonna he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>m see the ol Hoot contest this year. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to judge it this year. So last year Clay m

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<v Speaker 1>seed and this year we're gonna put his judging skills

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<v Speaker 1>to the test. That's what you need to do. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be the greatest Alhoot judge that ever walked this continent.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no doubt. That means you can't compete exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a food I'm not saying I'm the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>al hooter, No, I know that, but I'm saying you

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<v Speaker 1>can't compete. But he would be like if like the

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<v Speaker 1>scary food critic came to your restaurant and was like

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<v Speaker 1>picking apart every single thing he did when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to al he's the Gordon was lacking a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me hear your laugh. Hey, you know what I

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<v Speaker 1>want to see with this this al hooting contest. I'd like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to see the best guys in the world

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<v Speaker 1>come in here. Who is the guy who's the guy

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<v Speaker 1>on the front porch of that old house. He's just

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<v Speaker 1>a dude from Missouri. A lot of good Missouri man,

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<v Speaker 1>it is. And see what I want to do is

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<v Speaker 1>I want to start bringing in these guys and like

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<v Speaker 1>they would become you know how, like like a guy

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<v Speaker 1>would have a racehorse and he would be like, I

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<v Speaker 1>want that racehorse and he's up in the stands watching.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna pay for this guy to come down here,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's gonna be like a ring you know my guy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm imagining like twenty years in the future this is

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<v Speaker 1>turned into like the bass fishing Circuit where they have

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<v Speaker 1>logos all over their and they pull in in the

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<v Speaker 1>big trucks completely lowsed up, just to make an out.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have, if you, if you are listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this contiguous United States, Um, you should come to Bentonville,

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<v Speaker 1>Arkansas for our hot contest. And when is it? And

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<v Speaker 1>I think even it's March fourth. Even people from Alaska

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<v Speaker 1>and Hawaiia welcome Clay. There's no barred owls over there.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't know who I would think people in Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you're setting up a real underdog story

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<v Speaker 1>for any or in Alaska. Yeah, I just shared half

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<v Speaker 1>of Alaska, lot of or someone from the Caribbean. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we could have a true cool Runnings kind of thing country.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be honest. I'm just gonna be Okay. So now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm imagining Josh Spillmaker, who is in the room and

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<v Speaker 1>a part of the Render today, as a real sort

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<v Speaker 1>of John Candy esque X who moves to Jamaica and Antiga, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kicked out of the Render and you went

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<v Speaker 1>down there, yeah with my team, Yeah, come back in here.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this is a big high quality bear

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<v Speaker 1>Grease intellectual property. The Disney move where Okay, alright, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>so okay, we got heac hashtag. Isaac quit interrupted, Mike

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<v Speaker 1>scited about the answer. Wait, let Misty talk, don't interrupt. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we got a contest, alhot contest. We're gonna Myron

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<v Speaker 1>Means from the Game and Fish Commission, Large carnivoreologist. He

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<v Speaker 1>will do another Q and A session for us how

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<v Speaker 1>big it will be wearing a pair of overalls John Dear.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a question, asked how big he is?

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<v Speaker 1>Clay did a video with him on a bear Den

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<v Speaker 1>study that's available somewhere. Knew how big. Yeah, it's all

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<v Speaker 1>about scale video. It is scale. Um. The newer things

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<v Speaker 1>that we're adding to it this year will be we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do a butchering demo. Part of this is a deer,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully a dear if we can get one. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's not that, we'll get a a pig or

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<v Speaker 1>a goat or something like that. It's generally the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we're trying to do is introduce people to

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that we go outside. Yeah we can hike,

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<v Speaker 1>we can bike, but we can also a hunting fish.

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<v Speaker 1>These things are very normal activities that that we engage

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<v Speaker 1>in and and we have a lot of people moving

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<v Speaker 1>into the area who maybe don't do that but are

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<v Speaker 1>interested in learning. How We're gonna try to break down

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<v Speaker 1>the barriers to that so that they have a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more confidence. We're introducing them to b h as

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<v Speaker 1>A as an avenue to gain those skills. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the fundraising piece of it. Um, We've got a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of things that we're going to uh raffle off. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna pass this around so metaphorically and

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<v Speaker 1>physically it is. It's a very large knife. And and

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<v Speaker 1>this knife was made by Garrett Polk. This knife, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not one you just want to go trapes in

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<v Speaker 1>through the woods on your hip. We'll see. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is what Garrett told me yesterday. This is what he

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<v Speaker 1>told me about it yesterday. It's a beautiful knife. The

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<v Speaker 1>handle is made with a femur bone from Batman. That

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<v Speaker 1>handlebone it looks like lp ivory. It is not. It

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<v Speaker 1>is the beaver bone from the largest black bear I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever killed. True story. We'll get some good pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>this up on the Instagram, But um steel is probably

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<v Speaker 1>four and a half five inch blade. I got the

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<v Speaker 1>particulars And what Garrett told me is this knife is

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<v Speaker 1>made to be used. He said, that's what they all said.

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<v Speaker 1>He yeah, they all want them to be taken out

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<v Speaker 1>into the field and used. And then he made the

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<v Speaker 1>sheath for it, and it's got a beaver tail inlay

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<v Speaker 1>on the sheath. That beaver was trapped on public land

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<v Speaker 1>here in Arkansas by one of our board members, Brad Green.

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<v Speaker 1>So we will so we're this knife will be in

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<v Speaker 1>the special ticket and then put it in a bucket.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah that's great man. I really like that beare bone. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>it for real looks like looks like ivory. Um. Can

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about Josh this thing? Yeah? Your hat? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, the sticks are high for the alhookm. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So the winner, the winner of the Alhoot contest Clay

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<v Speaker 1>is going to get handmade coon skin cap. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal. Yeah, made by Josh bu Winker. There's only

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of those on this great planet. Yeah. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>so last year we had people from all over the

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<v Speaker 1>country come. We did. We had from Pennsylvania to Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>We had from the Dakotas all the way to South Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, from across major Last year I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how many people were there. We had about and that

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<v Speaker 1>was our first year and we didn't It is the

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<v Speaker 1>first year we did it. It's a good event and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be there all day just hanging out. It's family friendly,

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<v Speaker 1>bring your kids. Everybody twelve and under gets in free

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<v Speaker 1>this year. Tickets are super easy. It's ten bucks for

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<v Speaker 1>adults to get in the door that you know, have

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<v Speaker 1>a good time all day. Game and Fish Commission is

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<v Speaker 1>going to support us as well, so they'll have some

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<v Speaker 1>some educational booths and stuff like that. And then, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't do all of this without sponsors. So far,

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<v Speaker 1>are big sponsors are um Rex, the airgun company. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>people listen to this podcast would have heard their ads.

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<v Speaker 1>Vortex has has just they were like, sign us up,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to help out. And Numerax was the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>They reached out to us. They're like, hey, when's that

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<v Speaker 1>going on? We want to be a part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So good and we're gonna do a live beargrease render there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure who's gonna be on it yet, so

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<v Speaker 1>all of you in this room just be on your

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<v Speaker 1>best behavior. Maybe you get picked, maybe you won't. This

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<v Speaker 1>is our audition. Can we plead our case or is

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<v Speaker 1>it a drawing? Well? Yeah, first tis well, that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's March the fourth, Benton County Quail Barn in

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<v Speaker 1>Bentonville in Bentonville, Arkansas, doors open in nine. We'll go

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<v Speaker 1>from nine to five. There will be things going on

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<v Speaker 1>all day. Come for the whole day, have a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll have a website up so it's the easiest way

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<v Speaker 1>to find it is go to Backcountry hunters dot org,

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<v Speaker 1>look for the events page and look for black Bear

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<v Speaker 1>Bonanza and by the time this podcast comes out, that

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<v Speaker 1>page will be up and people can buy tickets, and folks,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're coming, buy tickets and let us know you're coming.

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<v Speaker 1>So we make sure and have enough of everything there

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Corn dogs, enough corn dogs, water, and porta John's. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the three things. I'm gonna have corn dogs stand there. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not clay dogs. Well, great, fantastic. Mr Nukem had

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<v Speaker 1>a big day yesterday. She killed her first duck. Congratulate

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<v Speaker 1>everything you hoped it would be. I have things to say.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm not the big hunter in our family.

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<v Speaker 1>The hunting that I've done done pretty much in the

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<v Speaker 1>last twenty years. Yeah, it's it's actually Clay. You may

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<v Speaker 1>be surprised, um, but the last twenty years I've gone hunting.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the time, I'm a chaperone. I'm sitting or

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<v Speaker 1>like just coming along to hang out with Clay. I

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<v Speaker 1>could get into duck hunting, like I could. I could

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<v Speaker 1>be a duck hunter. And I believe that's Huntress, Huntress.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. We I really didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>to expect. I really like, I've seen pictures of people

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<v Speaker 1>duck hunting and it kind of looks really different. And

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<v Speaker 1>I knew waiters were involved, so I figured, Okay, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be cold, wet early. This doesn't sound like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun. But going to take one for the team.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, Amory, just as kind of a continuation

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<v Speaker 1>from last from Amory Dramas, who was on the last podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>gave me some tips that she learned from Kaylee that

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<v Speaker 1>that she also learned and both were on the last

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<v Speaker 1>part shooting tips. And so we went out the first

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<v Speaker 1>day that evening we got there, and we also want

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you I am right handed and left eye

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<v Speaker 1>dominant as well. You're not the only one. Well, and

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't even matter, it turns out when you're shooting ducks,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're looking at the target, not at the not

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<v Speaker 1>down the barrel. And so that was a game changer.

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<v Speaker 1>So she gave me a few tips and really, I

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<v Speaker 1>I I couldn't believe what a difference it made in

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of seconds, not hours, and not lots of practice.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was able to shoot those skeat and that

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<v Speaker 1>was fun, super fun. I mean not a percent, but

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<v Speaker 1>still better than zero percent um. And then the next

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<v Speaker 1>morning we woke up and I really didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>to expect. The dog situation in duck hunting is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>amazing because the dogs just like it's super fun to

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<v Speaker 1>watch a dog that's been bred to do something that

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<v Speaker 1>has a function. It's really amazing to watch them. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the dog was like antsy and he was sitting.

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<v Speaker 1>They had this chair hooked up to a tree, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was just really enjoyable to watch him. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we would we would talk and have which is like

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<v Speaker 1>thing too, So thing one the dog, that's that's and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll come back to the thing two in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, you can actually talking duck hunting. And but

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<v Speaker 1>the dog was no nonsense he was just like sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there and he was alert and watching and he if

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<v Speaker 1>you watch the dog, you could see, Okay, here's where

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<v Speaker 1>the ducks are coming in from. And so they were

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<v Speaker 1>really everybody was so so nice, Brittain Clay especially, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we were with Amory Dramas, me and Brandt and then

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<v Speaker 1>Luke Naylor who is the waterfowl biologist, no, the director chief,

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<v Speaker 1>the chief and the wildlife the chief of the Wildlife

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<v Speaker 1>Wildlife Division. Yeah, and they were so so nice. So

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<v Speaker 1>when it's the first little the first thing of ducks

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<v Speaker 1>came in, what do you call him? There? Well, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you call? What do you call? Is it? So

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<v Speaker 1>the first flock of ducks came in, they just let

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<v Speaker 1>me shoot. No one else shot. And the first one

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<v Speaker 1>came in, it was like, I don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's my god? You know, I mean like it takes

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<v Speaker 1>a minute to like get in position. You don't see

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<v Speaker 1>him coming in. Yeah, I mean like you're just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of you're kind of hide and trying to be steel,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just like all of a sudden, and so

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<v Speaker 1>like I thought I would be prepared, but it took

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<v Speaker 1>a second to get the gun up and I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I think I shot that first time but definitely didn't

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<v Speaker 1>hit anything. But then the second one that came in

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<v Speaker 1>they did again. They just let me shoot and it

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<v Speaker 1>was a group of a flock of teal, which apparently

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<v Speaker 1>is a real fast little bird. And I shot and

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<v Speaker 1>I got I got one, and it was super exciting,

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<v Speaker 1>like super exciting. There's no film of it because we

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<v Speaker 1>were just uh, you know, it was all hands on

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<v Speaker 1>deck to get me. Yeah. And and then so what

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<v Speaker 1>was Then they released the dog and the dog just

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<v Speaker 1>jumps up and it looks like it's you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>was this is what its purpose in life is and

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<v Speaker 1>got to fulfill it. And it was so I love

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<v Speaker 1>the dog. I mean, yeah, Baron, I'm probably probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to. So then we weren't working many mallards. We

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<v Speaker 1>were sitting on the edge of a overgrown field that

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<v Speaker 1>had just kind of been and had not been planted

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<v Speaker 1>or tilled that year, and it kind of butted up

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<v Speaker 1>against the slow and it had flooded. And so basically

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<v Speaker 1>it was a flooded field that didn't have crops in it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it had coffee bean and a lot of just

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<v Speaker 1>like not actual weeds and vegetation in it, and they

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<v Speaker 1>had they had seen some mallards right there the day before.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were sitting there, but the mallards weren't working much,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'd have Teal come bombing in. And so after

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<v Speaker 1>Misty Kill, Misty Kill went on the second group of

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<v Speaker 1>duck ducks that came in, and so we were like, sweet,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a duck. And so she was getting some confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the next time I were working a group

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<v Speaker 1>of like seven or eight Teal and they're about to

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<v Speaker 1>light and I say, Misty, just start pulling the trigger

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<v Speaker 1>and don't stop. You know, I just got a plug

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<v Speaker 1>in there, and I said shoot three downs and she

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<v Speaker 1>just looked at me, just like, oh, we can do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it wasn't bam bam bam. Well there we go,

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<v Speaker 1>there we go. So thing that I like about duck

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<v Speaker 1>hunting dogs thing too. You get to talk to people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's real social. It's a lot more and and we

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<v Speaker 1>were with great people. They were a lot of fun

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody was I mean they were across the board

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<v Speaker 1>just fantastic hosts. And I learned a whole lot about

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<v Speaker 1>about ducks and and just it's just fun to be

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<v Speaker 1>with people and it's a lot and then think three,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just the intensity of it, like it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>you know when you go to deer hunt for five

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<v Speaker 1>weeks and and I remember going to Clay one time

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<v Speaker 1>describing our ship when he was taking ship hunting, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said it was like being in a sleeping bag

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<v Speaker 1>with a coyote, just like just like you're restless. And

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of felt like ship and all those deer hunts,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, I've just gotta sit here, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's just not as it's rewarding at the end. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's different than than duck hunting. Um, Whereas duck hunting,

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<v Speaker 1>like they come in and it's like it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah, you like the dog work

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<v Speaker 1>I did, Yeah, that was pretty amazing to watch. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got the perfect breed of dog that you guys, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you get the perfect dog for me. I do Boykin Spaniel.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it doing great? You're talking about Yeah, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the and the dogs sitting there like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we went. We went this past Sunday and we had

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<v Speaker 1>some geese come in and they landed too far out

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<v Speaker 1>where we we had no shot at him, but he

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<v Speaker 1>could see them. And I was sitting right next to him.

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<v Speaker 1>We were on the on the bank of this strip

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<v Speaker 1>pit pond, and he was vibrating like literally he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>me to let him go so bad, you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have to hold onto him, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>just in case. It's the I mean that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of good things in duck hunting, but that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>the best part of it for me, is just watching

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<v Speaker 1>that dog gets so excited to go out and catch

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that it was made to do. And boys

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<v Speaker 1>are boykins are great family dogs, they're great pets like ours.

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<v Speaker 1>Just you know, he'll just lay around the house and

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<v Speaker 1>be snugly and everything, and then when it's time to go,

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<v Speaker 1>he's at the door winding ready to go. How big

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<v Speaker 1>is he? He's thirty five pounds, he's about ya tall.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what is that eighteen at the shoulder? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty small, smaller, much smaller than a than a lab. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've been deck hunting quite a bit. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>where you've been? I can't tell you tell me, you're

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<v Speaker 1>tell me every single spot you've been. I've been in

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<v Speaker 1>the Delta in Arkansas, a lot and then just uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know west central Missouri quite a bit. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of scratching out no no lights out days up

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<v Speaker 1>in Missouri, and I managed time and so that, uh

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<v Speaker 1>I was my time down in Arkansas last week was

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<v Speaker 1>book ended by two really great days on either side.

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<v Speaker 1>A limit, A limit for mallards. Yeah so yourself. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I I've got a buddy down there, and no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>they were limiting the day. The two days before I

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<v Speaker 1>showed up, you weren't even there. I scratched out a

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<v Speaker 1>few ducks and then they started killing them again once

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<v Speaker 1>we left. So it feels good, got you, man. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing that I have yet to well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting I'm starting to understand it. Just the more you're

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to utting, the more you understand the the draw

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<v Speaker 1>to it. And if you understand the draw to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not the best way to describe it, but

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<v Speaker 1>the more that you can get through the hard part

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<v Speaker 1>of um. Like, for instance, we took some people coon

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<v Speaker 1>hunting the other night for the first time, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to understand their position inside this coon hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>We just went out in the dark and turned this

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<v Speaker 1>dog loose that they have no connection to, nor do

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<v Speaker 1>they probably really have any value for a coon. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like most people would see a con dead on the

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<v Speaker 1>side of the road ode or truck ham pictures, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not this like highly valued animal. And you

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<v Speaker 1>hear a lot of negative press about coons being overpopulated

0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:12.399
<v Speaker 1>and all this stuff nest predators. To me, when I

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<v Speaker 1>hear a dog bark just as faint as you could

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<v Speaker 1>hear one, and you walk to it and you get

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<v Speaker 1>like a hundred yards from the tree, and you see

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<v Speaker 1>glowing orange eyes and you hear your dog underneath it,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that is a incredible like feeling. And when you

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<v Speaker 1>walk up and you see a ringtail hanging off the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of that tree, and you don't get that just

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment. You get that over a lifetime of

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to love something and and and kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>it represents. So to me, a treed coon is just

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<v Speaker 1>like wow. But somebody else, somebody just be like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I see coons every day on side the road dead.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm starting to learn about what that is for duck hunting,

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<v Speaker 1>because duck hunting is a ton of work. Yes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>you wake up extremely early, and more times than not

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:05.919
<v Speaker 1>you don't do very good. Yeah, and and this is

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing about big game hunting is that you

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 1>can go have a bad streak of deer hunting, but

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the season, you know maybe you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get your buck, and the payoff is so big

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<v Speaker 1>that it makes all that suffering worth it. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I hiked. We hiked. We calculated about seven miles on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday at the place that we went duck hunting. Duck

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<v Speaker 1>hunting and so in hiking, in carrying decoys, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we did a little bit of just walking around, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>jump shooting if we could find any and we couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>find any. We didn't fire our guns on Sunday, hiked

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<v Speaker 1>seven miles and even if we had, I mean, the

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>most we would have brought home is six ducks, which

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:51.920
<v Speaker 1>is not nearly as much stuff as what you get

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:56.719
<v Speaker 1>off of one deer. Right, So it's but but the

0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:59.640
<v Speaker 1>experience of being out there, you're out early, you get

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:02.119
<v Speaker 1>to see everything. It's exciting. You're talking about where are

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>you gonna go, You're calling. That's the that's the fun part, right,

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:08.959
<v Speaker 1>is talking to the ducks and trying to get that

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 1>figured out. Um, I don't think you can underestimate the

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 1>like aspect of like the foolishness of it, and like

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:19.159
<v Speaker 1>so that goes hand in hand with like the talking

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:22.320
<v Speaker 1>like camaraderie right where you're all up in the middle

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 1>of the night in the dark, standing in water hopefully

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 1>it's really cold, like that's like the best case scenario. Yeah, yeah,

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and you're like doing this all together with your friends

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, why are we doing why are we

0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:36.200
<v Speaker 1>doing this? Yeah, exactly because I can't not and and then'

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:39.440
<v Speaker 1>and no, it's not like you get a trophy duck,

0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. It's like, you know, I

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:48.200
<v Speaker 1>used to think that, but there there are so first

0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 1>of all abandoned if that's a trophy. But we went

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>on a guided hunt in Nebraska last year and we

0:26:55.760 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 1>shot some widgeon that were we'd never even seen a

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 1>region before. I'm not a very season duck hunter, but

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 1>we shot a region that everybody else in the blind

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my gosh, that's beautiful. And then when

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:12.359
<v Speaker 1>you start looking at it, you're like, oh, I understand

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:16.640
<v Speaker 1>why this is. It's really nuanced, I guess, but it's

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 1>completely luck I mean it's duck on a trail camp

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:24.680
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna go hunt it. But but it's not

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that would Uh. I don't know that that's

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the best way to say it, Josh, but it is true,

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 1>like you're not targeting a specific duck. You're not like

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:38.159
<v Speaker 1>I hope, I hope the other day we had that

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 1>thing on trail camp for a week. I've got a

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 1>serious question mile away. He wasn't daylighting. And then all

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, that's someone that's new too. I I

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 1>picked up that bandits were banded ducks were really valuable.

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 1>What's the Is it just that it's cool, It's just

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just that it's one and it's rare. But I

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:59.199
<v Speaker 1>don't know how many ducks literally are banded. I mean,

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:02.879
<v Speaker 1>let's say, in five thousand ducks. I don't know. It's

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:04.919
<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of neat that you can plug in

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.120
<v Speaker 1>the information on the band see where it was banded.

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>It's like life cycle. That's that's a neat, little new

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 1>And there is a lot of little neat things about

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:16.399
<v Speaker 1>duck hunting, and one of them is the diversity of ducks.

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 1>Like when we go out here squirrel hunting, like we

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>could kill fox squirrel or gray squirrel. And you go

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:23.720
<v Speaker 1>deer hunting, you know you're gonna kill a deer. When

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>you go duck hunting, you all the different ducks are

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>are there's different value added to how many different ducks

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>can you kill in Arkansas? Oh? There there are forty

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>one in North America. I don't know how many are specific.

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I would guess about fifteen to seventeen species just off

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the top of my You're probably in anyone given SI

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>only gonna kill like two or three varieties. But the

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 1>guys here in Arkansas at least want to kill mallards.

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>They care less about most other ducks. Um, that's just

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>what except for teal missing our big teal pieple. I'm

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>a huge teal fan and they're really cool. Now, what

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask about the teal is how are

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:07.719
<v Speaker 1>you going to cook the teal? So I'm okay, So

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I have one, right, I mean I have a teal okay,

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 1>And it's not bay Way. Wait, you just have one.

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>So you shot at all the other ones and you

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>guys didn't bring any more back. We Yeah, there was

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 1>one other teal keeled okay, it was a two bird

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 1>morning okay, and I I really want to mount mine.

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 1>It is a really pretty birth and so um. And

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I was having a hard time deciding whether to mount

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.080
<v Speaker 1>it or to cook it, because the whole reason I

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>went was I wanted to cook it back and anyway

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I got and the and the other one was donated

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 1>to meat to cook. So um. But I think we

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 1>had a gumbo, a duck gumbo, and I thought that

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>would be super like it was you you would call

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 1>it demo. That's a good idea. Um, I thought that

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 1>would I want to do something where it's either pressure

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>cooked or you know, low and slow. We tried some duck,

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 1>but we try to cook duck last year. We're not

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 1>rare meat people, and that I think makes a huge

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:10.720
<v Speaker 1>difference in whether you like duck or not. I think, yeah,

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>And so since that's not who we are, we're gonna

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>have to find another way than just like you know,

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>smoking are grilling it up. Look up teal in a jar.

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 1>That's a that's a way to do it, and you

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, put all the ingredients into a jar and

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>cook it low and slow. Um, I've heard that's pretty good.

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I think I think I might have tried it once.

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>But I can't remember for sure Brad that we were

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 1>talking about earlier with the beaver tail. Okay, they did

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 1>it once and he's not a big duck hunter. They

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 1>thought it was okay. So it's really funny because I

0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 1>have this one teal and in the past two days

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>everyone's given me a recipe, and it's like, well, guys,

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I've got this one deal a bunch of friends, yea

0:30:52.440 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>for my plate. On my plate of deal, I'd like

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 1>to talk about a man named Is that why we're here? Okay? Okay?

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.479
<v Speaker 1>I like I like the way they say his name

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to Comsy. Okay, well, there is a way, Robert Morgan said,

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 1>is that the way you wanted to say it to

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>t Comsa? I've always been it to comes a guy?

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 1>What did you what? We started off to come see

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 1>and then you and then you were code switching on me. Yeah,

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 1>you'd be saying to come see, and then I say

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>to Comsa, and then you'd switch over to Kamsa and

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 1>then somebody. Then he goes back, yeah, well and it's

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 1>neither one of them. To man on the way here,

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I said his brother's name like two hundred times so

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 1>I could remember it. And now I forgot again ten squattawa,

0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>I said it different ways one tanks. Because this is

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 1>what I want to start off on talking about comfort,

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 1>is that I have never Isaac can vouch for this.

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>We've I've never researched something so long. This was well

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 1>over a year ago that I started researching two KOMPSA

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>and as I, as I learned more and more, pronounced

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>the names different and as I kind of nailed it down.

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 1>But this was probably the most well, for sure, the

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 1>most research that ever did. You went to New York, Maryland.

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I went to Wahoma. I went to New York to

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>meet with Robert Morgan. To meet with New York Times

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>bestselling author Robert Morgan. If I'm if I'm ever a

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>New York Times best selling author, I want yall. You're

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 1>just gonna have everything away. You're gonna have your friend

0:32:54.440 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>New York Times bestselling author Morgan name. That's the way

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I want to introduce him. It's like you did this

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>my man Maryland was bestselling author Stephen Ronella. Well he

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>is for sure, yeah, multiple so the so Robert Morgan,

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I went to his house to talk to him, and

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>UH also interviewed him about another topic that we haven't

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 1>even done. Um. Then I went to I went to

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Maryland for Peter Cousins. Went to d C Washington, d C, Yeah,

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:33.479
<v Speaker 1>Maryland essentially, um to meet with Peter Cousins, who is

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the author of the book Two Comes in the Profit,

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 1>which is I mean, I'm not really authorized to say

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>what is the seminal work on two Comes to because

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of books on two Comes To

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of stuff, but I've not found one

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>that is that I liked as much as this one,

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 1>and I looked at several of them. So this is

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 1>a great book. Two Comes in the Profit. It's it's

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>a it's a read, man, I mean, it's it's a read.

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:02.719
<v Speaker 1>It's not it's no joke. Um. So we went up there. Now,

0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 1>I went to Dallas, Texas to meet Dr Dave Edmonds,

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 1>who basically has spent his life as a historical researcher

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>of Native American history, but he's also very involved in

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 1>with multiple tribes and and and stood before, been been

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>involved in court cases and different things that have to

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:28.399
<v Speaker 1>do with tribal history. There's a lot of there, there's

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:32.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff going on right now that I

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.840
<v Speaker 1>mean that has always gone on with the tribes and

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>the US government and land and treaty stuff. They're still

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's pretty wild. And so Dave Edmund's very

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:48.799
<v Speaker 1>very very knowledgeable guy. And uh Daves like eighty one

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 1>years old. He was, Yes, he was a new guy.

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 1>And then um Miami, Oklahoma and met with Chief Ben

0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Barn which was a really I thought about that Miama, Oklahoma. Yeah,

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 1>and you went to well, we went to Ohio watched

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 1>the two Come Suh outdoor drama. Yeah, me and Isaac

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.520
<v Speaker 1>drove to drove to Ohio to watch There is an

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 1>outdoor drama in Chillicothe, Ohio that's been going on for

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:26.279
<v Speaker 1>fifty years. I mean a major outdoor production with like

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:31.879
<v Speaker 1>a hundred cast members and outdoor stadium gunshots that they

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 1>don't prepare you for gunshots. Two hour long outdoor play.

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 1>We got live horses, Indian battles, hang out with the

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:47.120
<v Speaker 1>guy who produces it and the pyrotechnics guy who have

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 1>both been there for a long time. Yeah. So there's

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot on two Come So. And the best part

0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 1>of it is is that I didn't know anything about

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:01.800
<v Speaker 1>to Come So a year and a half ago. Nothing

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I I'll tell you how I got interested in him

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 1>as I was reading another book, a book by Alan

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:12.839
<v Speaker 1>Eckhart called The Frontiersman, which I didn't ball boy, I'm

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna make some enemies. I didn't like the book. I

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 1>actually couldn't finish it. It was written in a it's

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>a very famous book. It's it's, it's he wrote very

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 1>well known, a well known biography of two Come sat

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 1>And he also wrote the Outdoor Drama, didn't he And

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:29.479
<v Speaker 1>he's you know, he's art at heart. Yeah, he's he's

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:35.919
<v Speaker 1>passed away, but he, uh, his his books, especially The Frontiersman,

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:39.880
<v Speaker 1>were done. They're they're written what do they call it,

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:46.319
<v Speaker 1>like a historical narrative, historical fiction. Yeah, Basically they take

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 1>real stuff that they know happened and kind of dramatize

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.760
<v Speaker 1>it inside of telling in the story form. So it's

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 1>it's it's very informative and that you you probably get

0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a really good picture of what happened. But they're totally

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:03.400
<v Speaker 1>just guessing about like you know, they would put words

0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 1>into comes his mouth about him talking to it would

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 1>be a story that is informed by the historical figures

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:12.319
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of research, but factually it's like, yeah,

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:15.280
<v Speaker 1>I had a hard time. Yeah, my wife loves books

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:20.279
<v Speaker 1>like that. She loves a historical fiction. So but I

0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 1>was telling you, I was telling you why I was

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.280
<v Speaker 1>reading that book, and it was talking about two compsa

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:28.879
<v Speaker 1>because he's in the book and it and it talked

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 1>about how his name meant panther crossing the sky. That's

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:40.760
<v Speaker 1>pretty They knew how to name yea and I mean Sylla.

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 1>That's a good one. Yeah, it's so complex though, Tin

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:47.319
<v Speaker 1>Squaddo his name wasn't Tin Squatta until after he had

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the visions. His name was. I still think it's a

0:37:55.520 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 1>It's a better name than Josh. Sorry, man, great, so

0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 1>so moms you need to work a little harder in

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:08.120
<v Speaker 1>their own way. The other thing that I wished I

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 1>had known, which I declared on the podcast, was that

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I wish I had known about the burying a white

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 1>tail antler with a Nambo's big chance. Did y'all do

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:21.400
<v Speaker 1>that with me? Dad? No, we did. You got that

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>umbilical cord floating around anywhere? Is it too late to

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 1>bury it? There another body part you could use. It's

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 1>a cut off the finger. Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe. Well, um, misty,

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 1>what do you think of the podcast? I thought it

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.400
<v Speaker 1>was really good. I thought, yeah, you're you're taking a

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>pretty complex topic and you're just trying to look at it. Yeah,

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:46.759
<v Speaker 1>shoot it straight, get get the get the facts, and

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 1>none of the other stuff around it. And you know,

0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:52.280
<v Speaker 1>you acknowledged the podcast that this kind of stuff, for

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 1>no good reason, can be difficult to talk about because

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:59.879
<v Speaker 1>people get so um, I don't know, people get so

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.960
<v Speaker 1>easily offended and and and don't necessarily want to look

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 1>at things just yeah, there there are people want to

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:11.840
<v Speaker 1>make a lot of a lot of qualifying statements around everything.

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 1>And I thought you did a good job of just

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 1>like saying this is this is what happened. This is

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 1>a story. It's a very intriguing story. I mean, there's

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 1>so many different aspects of this particular story. As as

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:25.120
<v Speaker 1>you're going through it almost felt like it almost felt unreal.

0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like the brother what did he I I

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 1>remember your phrase? Do you think he called that down?

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:35.279
<v Speaker 1>What was what was told William Henry Harrison that he

0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:37.400
<v Speaker 1>was going to go back to Detroit and stomp his

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>foot and it was gonna earth was gonna shake his

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 1>house down. Okay, yeah, and the yeah right right, so

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the earthquakes and but there are just several aspects of

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:48.319
<v Speaker 1>it that were, yeah, almost unbelievable. And I'm not saying

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:50.279
<v Speaker 1>that I don't believe these things happened, Like I I

0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:52.759
<v Speaker 1>do believe these things happen. But I just thought it

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:55.399
<v Speaker 1>was a great It's a very intriguing tale. I'm looking

0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:59.040
<v Speaker 1>forward to hearing the other two. I think there's it's

0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 1>a sad tale. I mean it's it's on a lot

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 1>of different levels personal, like what happened to his people?

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 1>If I put myself and I think that's what you

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 1>did really well in this. You you made to come

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 1>to come to a person, you know, you made him

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 1>a person that you could relate to and not like

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:20.839
<v Speaker 1>this heroic figure what she was, but or or you

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 1>took someone whose life had a whole lot of dynamics

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 1>in it that that seemed too big to be real,

0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 1>and you could kind of feel like, well, if I

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 1>was in his bow, if I was in his shoes,

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:33.560
<v Speaker 1>this is how I would. Uh. Yeah, I can understand.

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I can understand that. Yeah, I love love being an Indian. Yeah,

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:43.400
<v Speaker 1>he loved living the way that they wanted to live. Yeah,

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 1>And it's you know, I think it also gives a

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:50.799
<v Speaker 1>level of well, I'll let someone else. I'll let someone

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 1>else talking. If you don't think what was you can

0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 1>give an overarching statement, but like, what is one thing?

0:40:58.040 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 1>I can think of one thing that if I were

0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 1>to talking to you, I would get excited about and

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I would say, man, you wouldn't believe this. I thought

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:07.520
<v Speaker 1>it was fascinating to overlap with Daniel Boone. Yeah, I

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 1>mean that was Yeah, that was that. That kind of

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.880
<v Speaker 1>came out of nowhere. Like I didn't. I didn't quite

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, I listened today to the podcast and I

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:20.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't quite catch all the timelines. And then when you

0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 1>started talking about that, I'm like, oh, man, this is

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 1>like two huge figures in American history just piling around,

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:30.840
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I think it's pretty incredible

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:35.320
<v Speaker 1>at the very least, and more of uh uh Daniel

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Boone's biographies it would come up. Oh and by the

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:44.400
<v Speaker 1>way he had these interactions with this probably the most prolific. Yeah,

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Daniel Boone wouldn't have even eventually he would

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 1>have known who I mean, surely too Compson would have

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:53.240
<v Speaker 1>known who Daniel Boone was, at least at the very least.

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I thought that was pretty fascinating. Yeah, yeah,

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 1>but we do. There is no record right of the

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 1>mac fully, No, they were just they were contemporaries all

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:07.200
<v Speaker 1>that stuff back there. It's so there is a lot

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 1>of folklore around all those guys. Yeah, folklore meaning just

0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>we're not exactly sure how to dial it in. Possibly

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 1>exaggerated Taylor, but that is not folklore. I mean like

0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Tecumsa was was with black Fish, who was his adopted father,

0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:29.440
<v Speaker 1>and it was the same black Fish that adopted Boone,

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 1>and they would have absolutely overlapped. So, I mean, there's

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 1>no question about that. The speculation is was was two

0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:40.279
<v Speaker 1>comes one of the kids that Boone gave candy too.

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't the statement I made. I made too just

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:49.719
<v Speaker 1>interesting statements that I remember. I remember Boone telling his

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:53.320
<v Speaker 1>son Nathan that Blackfish would suck on a sugar cube

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 1>and give it to him. Man, when you think about uh,

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 1>like a way to like caw sure a moment in history.

0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Boone knew how to do that, and it showed so

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 1>much of what Blackfish wanted from Boone and who he was.

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 1>But the way I said it in the podcast, it

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:19.320
<v Speaker 1>made it sound like Blackfish was given candy to the kids.

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Boone was the one who also told Nathan, his son

0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 1>that hey, I would give candy. I guess he got

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>sugarcubes from somewhere to the little kids in Chili coffee

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 1>or they weren't Chili Coothee at that time. Uh well

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 1>yeah they were. He could have given a sugar cube

0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 1>to two come that speculation. We don't know that. So

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was really fascinating. I also, um, you know,

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 1>we've talked a little bit about Chief Ben Barnes. Fascinating

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.560
<v Speaker 1>guy to here speak. I mean just he seems very

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.759
<v Speaker 1>articulate and knowledgeable, and I'm hoping we're going to get

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 1>to hear from him for sure. It was it was

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of I kind of hated it that he didn't

0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 1>show up more on this first episode. He just did.

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:05.360
<v Speaker 1>We didn't talk as much with him about the chronology

0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 1>of it comes to his life. So he weighs in

0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:11.800
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot more in later episodes. And we're gonna

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:16.239
<v Speaker 1>hear about the Shawny Nation today. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah,

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 1>but Dad, what do you think? It's always very very good? Um,

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 1>really deep. I mean, it was just like I just

0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 1>couldn't believe all the action in that thing. Um an

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:36.680
<v Speaker 1>amazing guy. You know, I read about Quanta Parker years ago.

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:40.360
<v Speaker 1>The two guys remind me of each other, umpire of

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:43.839
<v Speaker 1>the Summer Moon. And I'd never dreamed there'd be an

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Indian more popular and bigger significance than Quantum. I mean

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:54.799
<v Speaker 1>he entertained presidents and uh m hmm. But this guy

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:57.280
<v Speaker 1>was amazing. I mean I liked it when they said

0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 1>you have a personnelit on the arise. They didn't say

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:05.279
<v Speaker 1>a generation or every other generation, but you see it

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 1>in sports. You know, you go, this is a generational athlete.

0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 1>But he was one in a many, many, many people

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:20.920
<v Speaker 1>that had the ability to lead. Uh just a natural ability.

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 1>And you know his looks that was enter interesting, you know.

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean he had everything you would want in a leader.

0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 1>He even had a limp where people could tell who

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.920
<v Speaker 1>he was from a distance. I mean, he was a

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:38.759
<v Speaker 1>beautiful guy. He was built well, he was strong, he

0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:42.320
<v Speaker 1>was his voice. I mean everything about him was said,

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:48.280
<v Speaker 1>I am the guy follow me. Now. I'm not sure. Uh,

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.479
<v Speaker 1>I assume he took the nation down the right path.

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:53.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that. I mean, you know, he

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:57.960
<v Speaker 1>cost a lot of lives by taking that direction. But uh,

0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 1>it's also intriguing to me that it was just oh,

0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 1>how Wisconsin, Indiana, you know, Illinois, just a mid America. Yeah,

0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's sounds like a pretty good plan to me.

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Let's go for that. Yeah, that's that's and that's so deep.

0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:17.759
<v Speaker 1>It's it's hard to get everything right. But that's the

0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:21.319
<v Speaker 1>simplest way to say it is that it comes to

0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:25.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't think that the whole continent of North America was

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:28.839
<v Speaker 1>going to be given back to the Native Americans. They

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:32.279
<v Speaker 1>just wanted an Indian nation, and that, when you think

0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 1>about it, is really doesn't sound that wild. I mean,

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 1>think about Europe. Think about Europe. Europe is full of

0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:44.360
<v Speaker 1>different countries. I mean there's i mean a country like

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.880
<v Speaker 1>the U. S That has this much geographic land of

0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:53.360
<v Speaker 1>of contiguous you know, geographic areas in the same jurisdiction

0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 1>of government. Is pretty wild. And you know, if there

0:46:56.760 --> 0:47:00.920
<v Speaker 1>was a there was a country inside of this, we

0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't just be like yeah, that's it would have worked.

0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:07.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean we would have combined forces together and been

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:08.919
<v Speaker 1>like one country. I mean, who knows where it would

0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 1>have gone. But pretty crazy. Yeah, well, and that's the

0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.719
<v Speaker 1>thing about it comes to that so intriguing, and we

0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 1>really haven't even got into These things are so hard

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:24.120
<v Speaker 1>to put together because we haven't even got into really

0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:27.680
<v Speaker 1>what he did. We described We spent a lot of

0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 1>time on his childhood, which I thought that's always one

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:33.960
<v Speaker 1>of the most interesting parts to me of these guys lives.

0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Who made them and why are they the way they are?

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.240
<v Speaker 1>And when you see the crisis into comes to his life,

0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, we can't. Now there are people on

0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 1>planet Earth today that can identify with living in a

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:50.560
<v Speaker 1>war zone and having people killed. I mean, this is

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:55.680
<v Speaker 1>not something that is unusual to human race. Yeah, for

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:59.879
<v Speaker 1>for us here in North America. Yeah, but I mean

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:04.680
<v Speaker 1>three major figures, like every father he ever had died

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:07.400
<v Speaker 1>by the time he was fourteen years old. His his

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:11.840
<v Speaker 1>older brother, who then was tasked to raise him dies.

0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Chess Aqua says, I don't want to be buried like

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 1>these You're not supposed to say that word anymore, squaw.

0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:24.480
<v Speaker 1>They don't say that anymore. They don't, ye, so, but

0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 1>that's what that's what they said. Did He said, I

0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:30.719
<v Speaker 1>I want the fouls of the air to pick my butt.

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Love that man. I just thought that was awesome. I'm thinking,

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.600
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of the way I want to go make

0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:38.440
<v Speaker 1>that happen. That had to get renamed because it was

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 1>called an old squaw. Yeah it's a long tail now, Yep.

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm for it, Yep, I just want it recorded. When

0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:46.879
<v Speaker 1>I heard that, I immediately lived at Clay and said, hey,

0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:54.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel the same way for those the Native Americans.

0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 1>And this goes back to what's so intriguing to me

0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:01.840
<v Speaker 1>from a language and kind of folks each like, where

0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:05.880
<v Speaker 1>did where did the kind of the American dialect come from?

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:12.799
<v Speaker 1>Is that the Native American orators were powerful. You go

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:16.160
<v Speaker 1>back and listen to the very first introduction of the podcast.

0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I start off with a quote from Takompsa where he's

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.560
<v Speaker 1>talking to who would eventually become a US president, William

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Henry Harrison. Just listen to the way he spoke, and

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:30.160
<v Speaker 1>there are hundreds of two Compsa quotes where I mean,

0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:32.520
<v Speaker 1>those guys, man, that's all they had. They didn't have

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:37.160
<v Speaker 1>written language, they didn't have they didn't have books to

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:40.440
<v Speaker 1>write stuff in. I mean, in most of their history,

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:44.760
<v Speaker 1>what they had was spoken language, and they were masters

0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:47.399
<v Speaker 1>of it. And then when these Europeans came over here

0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 1>with the English language. They heard these guys talk and

0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:56.239
<v Speaker 1>we're like wow. And and you know, Robert Morgan is

0:49:56.239 --> 0:50:00.040
<v Speaker 1>the one who told me that. Well, I said of

0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:04.239
<v Speaker 1>that to say, what chis Aqua said was that's just

0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:06.719
<v Speaker 1>the way they spoke. They were just dramatic in the

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:09.439
<v Speaker 1>way that they spoke. You know, they said, I want

0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:11.239
<v Speaker 1>the fouls of the air to pick my bones. I

0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be buried back at camp. But that

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:19.200
<v Speaker 1>would have really impacted Ta Kompsa and the I'm picking

0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:21.840
<v Speaker 1>on two things here, the fog of death over his life,

0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:26.880
<v Speaker 1>but then that translated into him being this leader, visionary

0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:31.600
<v Speaker 1>with with what he believed was in the best interest

0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 1>for his people, and then him being this great orator

0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:38.439
<v Speaker 1>and leader. Incredible stuff, Isaac, What was your favorite part?

0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:43.040
<v Speaker 1>I got three big ones. Okay, One the idea that

0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:45.399
<v Speaker 1>he like stood up on on that the First War

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Party outing fifteen years old against Like, if I was

0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:53.120
<v Speaker 1>in that position, I'd be like, Yep, we torture people.

0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:55.680
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm into now, Like because I had just

0:50:56.120 --> 0:51:00.600
<v Speaker 1>no like personal authority or you know, identity. Yeah, to

0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:03.200
<v Speaker 1>be able to be like, hey, guys, even if I

0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:04.960
<v Speaker 1>felt that way, you know, and I'm not. I'm not

0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:07.919
<v Speaker 1>trying to map my my current understanding of the world

0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:11.000
<v Speaker 1>onto these people. But to see someone do that is

0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:15.799
<v Speaker 1>truly remarkable to me. Yeah, to stand stand against a

0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:20.719
<v Speaker 1>trend because you could not. But as a not as

0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:23.320
<v Speaker 1>a full grown man, as a fifteen I mean to

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.279
<v Speaker 1>some degree he was, but like as a fifteen year

0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:29.719
<v Speaker 1>old boy, I was, you know, lightening bottle rockets with

0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:32.879
<v Speaker 1>my buddies and getting up to no good. He's like, hey,

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:38.080
<v Speaker 1>let's let's reconsider this tradition. Yeah too, I've been back

0:51:38.080 --> 0:51:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and forth, so like, hey, let me stop you. I

0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:43.759
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about that, because that was a definer

0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:47.600
<v Speaker 1>of comes his life. That was what got back to

0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:55.279
<v Speaker 1>the American people, that made them love to compsa was

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that that was that was part of what got back.

0:51:58.360 --> 0:52:04.040
<v Speaker 1>And um, I had asked Peter Cozens, I said, where

0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:05.960
<v Speaker 1>did where did that come from? And and in the

0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:08.279
<v Speaker 1>section we used on the podcast, it was kind of

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:10.480
<v Speaker 1>like we don't know where he got that, Like how

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:13.600
<v Speaker 1>did that come What wasn't on the podcast because I

0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:16.440
<v Speaker 1>just had to chop it was he He told me

0:52:16.520 --> 0:52:20.160
<v Speaker 1>that there were some other chiefs, like way back, like

0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:23.399
<v Speaker 1>a random chief every now and then would be like, hey,

0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:27.640
<v Speaker 1>this is bad, we shouldn't do this. So he he

0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:31.160
<v Speaker 1>he probably had that in his in the historic lineage

0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:35.120
<v Speaker 1>at some point, but he still had to stand up vehemently.

0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:38.240
<v Speaker 1>And we just told this time when he was fifteen,

0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:39.920
<v Speaker 1>when he did that, that was the first time he

0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:42.680
<v Speaker 1>made a stink about it. But all through his life,

0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 1>even to his deathbed, he was going in and like

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:53.120
<v Speaker 1>scolding guys for for torturing prisoners, which was extremely calm

0:52:53.360 --> 0:53:00.680
<v Speaker 1>whole life. And to bring it back to uh Daniel Boone, Uh,

0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.080
<v Speaker 1>it makes me wonder he was ten years old when

0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Bunde was captured. Only five years later he's standing

0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:08.560
<v Speaker 1>up to a war party saying, like, let's reconsider how

0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:11.000
<v Speaker 1>we operate here. So it wouldn't surprise me if he

0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:14.600
<v Speaker 1>stood out as a child in this circumstance, you know

0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:17.120
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like ten years to fifteen years old

0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:19.840
<v Speaker 1>is not that big of a difference. Number two, I

0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:24.280
<v Speaker 1>like my background. I maybe considered more of a bleeding

0:53:24.320 --> 0:53:25.960
<v Speaker 1>heart or I don't know what you would want to

0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:28.200
<v Speaker 1>call it, but like I empathize with the plight of

0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:31.799
<v Speaker 1>Native Americans, and I feel kind of bad about the

0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:35.400
<v Speaker 1>way that they have been treated historically speaking, And I

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:37.839
<v Speaker 1>was listening to a podcast recently that deals with a

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:43.760
<v Speaker 1>modern struggle of native rights against uh, the established government,

0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:46.520
<v Speaker 1>and I got to thinking, like, in any other circumstance,

0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:50.239
<v Speaker 1>a conquered people like it doesn't matter what they feel like.

0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:53.120
<v Speaker 1>The history of people is that we conquer other people's

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:55.680
<v Speaker 1>and then it's like, too bad, you lose. And so

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like, is my feeling correct about this? But

0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 1>one of the things things that made me swing back

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:04.120
<v Speaker 1>to my original position on this is the idea that

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:08.279
<v Speaker 1>what is at stake here is not a conquered people

0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:12.680
<v Speaker 1>versus a conqueror, but it is a powerful entity that

0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:17.399
<v Speaker 1>operates in bad faith, giving treaties and then going back

0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 1>on their word, saying here's how we're going to deal

0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:22.439
<v Speaker 1>with you, and then discovering that that was a lie

0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:26.080
<v Speaker 1>or a ruse to whatever. And so ultimately what we're

0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:28.839
<v Speaker 1>saying is not only is this a people who has

0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:32.239
<v Speaker 1>treated poorly in terms of they had the bad luck

0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:35.200
<v Speaker 1>to be overran by people who had better technology and

0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:38.319
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of disease, but then those people who were

0:54:38.320 --> 0:54:41.400
<v Speaker 1>operating in power dealt in bad faith with them and

0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:43.840
<v Speaker 1>have continued to and so that's a lot of the

0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:46.840
<v Speaker 1>issue that we're dealing with today, not this abstract comp

0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:51.239
<v Speaker 1>concept of this people was treated poorly back then, but

0:54:51.920 --> 0:54:55.120
<v Speaker 1>our government said, here's how we'll operate with you. Here

0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:57.840
<v Speaker 1>is a legal document that says these are your rights,

0:54:57.880 --> 0:55:02.040
<v Speaker 1>this is your place that cont annually was treated like garbage.

0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:05.120
<v Speaker 1>And so I think that that is an interesting thing

0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:08.799
<v Speaker 1>to view this through, because not only is there this

0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:11.319
<v Speaker 1>moral question of what's right and wrong, but there's this

0:55:11.440 --> 0:55:15.440
<v Speaker 1>legal question of we they are probably owed something to

0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:19.399
<v Speaker 1>some degree, and and through that lens the idea of hey,

0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I'd just like to set up this Indian country. That

0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:27.920
<v Speaker 1>seems like a very valid and very small ask, especially

0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:31.080
<v Speaker 1>because that was guaranteed to them by the way our

0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:34.160
<v Speaker 1>government operated. And so I think that's an interesting concept.

0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:37.120
<v Speaker 1>You touched on it in the podcast, but we didn't

0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:40.640
<v Speaker 1>go in super deep. Yeah, which leads to my third point,

0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:44.480
<v Speaker 1>which is it's he's so interesting and this is kind

0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 1>of what Gary was talking about in this like great

0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:53.240
<v Speaker 1>like confluence of all of these personality and physical traits

0:55:53.800 --> 0:55:58.040
<v Speaker 1>the oration. So much of the story of Native Americans

0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:00.920
<v Speaker 1>is our government dealing with them a way that they

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:04.359
<v Speaker 1>don't understand like the idea of private landownership and so

0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:06.880
<v Speaker 1>like to treat with them in that way is kind

0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:09.640
<v Speaker 1>of dirty pool. And then here we have somebody like

0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:14.000
<v Speaker 1>two Comes who understands the concept, is well versed in

0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:16.799
<v Speaker 1>the way of the American people, but then also has

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:19.600
<v Speaker 1>the backbone to stand up and go I reject that.

0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:22.600
<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to lead my people with this understanding

0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:27.040
<v Speaker 1>into a way that could potentially um bring success. And

0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I think that's another just really fascinating aspect of his

0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:46.799
<v Speaker 1>unique personhood. Yeah, James, what do you think, Well, there

0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:49.120
<v Speaker 1>are a couple aspects of it that jumped out to me.

0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:53.200
<v Speaker 1>The first part of it that I was really struck by.

0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:58.319
<v Speaker 1>I think if you if you took the names off

0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:01.959
<v Speaker 1>of all the different parties in it and just told

0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 1>the story from from the standpoint of UM, a charismatic

0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:14.440
<v Speaker 1>leader and oppressed people, or you could say it from

0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:17.919
<v Speaker 1>an oppressed people, or you could even say it from

0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:20.320
<v Speaker 1>the standpoint of people who are who felt like they

0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:27.360
<v Speaker 1>were being treated badly maybe or they weren't, because history

0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:32.000
<v Speaker 1>is full of UM these figures, and you touched on

0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:35.960
<v Speaker 1>it this once in a lifetime or once in a generation,

0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:38.960
<v Speaker 1>these people who come along, who can inspire a revolution? Right,

0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:43.760
<v Speaker 1>So good revolutions and bad revolutions have have happened throughout history.

0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:47.920
<v Speaker 1>So that was the first thing that kind of struck

0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:51.920
<v Speaker 1>me is that this is one of those kind of

0:57:51.960 --> 0:57:59.120
<v Speaker 1>stories that just didn't result in the kind of happy

0:57:59.240 --> 0:58:03.240
<v Speaker 1>ending or um. You know, if it was if it

0:58:03.320 --> 0:58:07.320
<v Speaker 1>was put Churchill in there or put Gandhi in there

0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:13.960
<v Speaker 1>as two coomsa okay, and they were victorious, we would

0:58:13.960 --> 0:58:19.120
<v Speaker 1>remember the history differently. But he wasn't victorious, right, and

0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:26.880
<v Speaker 1>so ultimately what he doesn't win. Hear Ben Barnes comment

0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:30.560
<v Speaker 1>on that. Love it? Sorry, go ahead, Yeah, it's up

0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:35.600
<v Speaker 1>for debate. Okay, So so you I understand your point.

0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:38.720
<v Speaker 1>I was making a joy It's a great point. But

0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:42.200
<v Speaker 1>you that's the thing that struck me was how it's

0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:48.440
<v Speaker 1>a charismatic it's a charismatic leader who in The second

0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:51.400
<v Speaker 1>thing that that I kind of saw was you had

0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:56.640
<v Speaker 1>said that you had this religious movement started as a

0:58:56.680 --> 0:59:00.680
<v Speaker 1>religious movement and then you know, with his brother, and

0:59:00.720 --> 0:59:04.560
<v Speaker 1>then he came along and added the political and military

0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:10.360
<v Speaker 1>component to it. Okay, how often has that happened, even

0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:15.080
<v Speaker 1>fairly recently? You know, So history has this way of

0:59:15.120 --> 0:59:19.520
<v Speaker 1>repeating itself and then and then thinking about how you

0:59:19.520 --> 0:59:24.800
<v Speaker 1>were You had mentioned that they back to the the

0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:27.800
<v Speaker 1>storytelling in the way that they spoke, and how that

0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:32.720
<v Speaker 1>was basically borrowed. Here you had people on essentially two

0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:37.640
<v Speaker 1>opposite sides, right, So the Europeans who were moving in

0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:43.080
<v Speaker 1>wanted to conquer, and there and their leadership and their

0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:47.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, the religious leaders, their political leaders were looking

0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:52.880
<v Speaker 1>at their opposition and copying what they admired that their

0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:56.880
<v Speaker 1>opposition was able to do. I mean that still happens

0:59:56.920 --> 1:00:01.320
<v Speaker 1>to every day. Um. You know, one side gets a

1:00:01.360 --> 1:00:03.560
<v Speaker 1>little bit ahead, and then the other side copies their

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<v Speaker 1>tactics and they get a little bit ahead or so.

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<v Speaker 1>So the overarching thing there for me is that I

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<v Speaker 1>was struck by how easily you could you could take

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<v Speaker 1>this story and place it in so many other times

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<v Speaker 1>in history. You just took the punchline from from episode two,

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<v Speaker 1>James get the memo. That's a great observation because that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I talked about it with Dave Edmonds, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>so interesting to hear him describe it, and that when

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<v Speaker 1>you turn a bunch of people loose in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the same place and there's there's border conflicts and cultural

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<v Speaker 1>conflicts like the Native Americans and the the Americans. Basically

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<v Speaker 1>all the same stuff like always happens different different players,

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<v Speaker 1>different characters, different little different scenarios, but some it's really similar.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's a that's a good that's a good observation.

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<v Speaker 1>I also thought it was really interesting how the reaction was, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to get rid of this modern stuff that's

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<v Speaker 1>coming in here and go back to our simpler way

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<v Speaker 1>of life. And that interesting. I mean, so much of

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<v Speaker 1>history is that conflict between progress and and our roots.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like we feel it personally, we feel it generationally,

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<v Speaker 1>we feel it as a country. And and that's always

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<v Speaker 1>the political tension pretty much anywhere, it's the political tension

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<v Speaker 1>in this country. Yep. Is that Well, you know, who

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<v Speaker 1>was the America from fifty years ago? We're not that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And and it's and it's an idealized way also can be.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we remember the good things from the past

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<v Speaker 1>and we forget the whatever, you know, we forget the

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<v Speaker 1>uh childhood poverty or you know, birth rates or you

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<v Speaker 1>know whatever it is that we that we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>gloss over from the past that wasn't as good. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think, Dad, I didn't have a thought. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well I've had a several, but forget them pretty quickly. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the point you just made about going back

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<v Speaker 1>the way we used to be. You know, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was really critical. You see it all through our

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<v Speaker 1>society today. I want to go back the way we

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<v Speaker 1>were twenty years ago. I mean, uh, how we teach

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<v Speaker 1>our kids all this stuff? They had the same issues.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you go back to the Civil War, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you go, I mean, it's we we fight the

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<v Speaker 1>same demons. And when they when his brother received this

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<v Speaker 1>vision or whatever it was his dream, he uh, he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't run the country is an evangelist, And they said

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the early evangel were Indians like Paul Roberts. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That's a that overlap was really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw it coming in the book before they

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<v Speaker 1>actually said it. So in the way the book structured,

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<v Speaker 1>it talks about Tin Squentawa's Tin Squaws, his vision and

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<v Speaker 1>the components of the doctrine. And I'm as I'm reading it,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, this is a lot there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>overlap with Christian preacher. Yeah, you know, you got you

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<v Speaker 1>got the serpent's and you got to master whatever they

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<v Speaker 1>call it. So you got God in safe and and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of and you know, we couldn't get into

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<v Speaker 1>like all the doctrine just because it's just there's only

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<v Speaker 1>so much. I tried to give people just what they

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<v Speaker 1>need to understand. But the whole thing was about gaining

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<v Speaker 1>access back to the Great Spirit, which is essentially the

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<v Speaker 1>story of Christianity, access to God, you know, And and

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<v Speaker 1>so that it was the same thing. It was. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a similar story. And it was so interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to hear go ahead, go ahead before I forget it. Yeah, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he said. The brother said that I've already forgotten it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the point that I'm driving it. I've talked to Indians,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people that I know today, and they say,

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<v Speaker 1>one great thing that came from all this was Christianity.

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<v Speaker 1>And um, so there were some good that came. I

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<v Speaker 1>raised my hand again. I'm getting too old to be

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<v Speaker 1>on the river. Hey, hey, here you here's here's the point.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a point. Now, this isn't it? This is better? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>even better when I think about the render, the brotherhood,

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<v Speaker 1>the bond that we have here we eat out of

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<v Speaker 1>the same bowl, we eat out of the same with

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<v Speaker 1>the same spoon, same stuff. Yeah, there you go. Some

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<v Speaker 1>want the sugar cube, passed the sugar cube. That's all

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna start doing now. I thought, I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>was super interesting that the at the time of the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Awakening in this country and there were all there

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<v Speaker 1>was this frontier Christian revival same same time this was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Super interesting and um yeah, the the the miracles were

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting eclips. So when you read it, there's some

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<v Speaker 1>guys that just straight up say Tin Squattawa knew there

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<v Speaker 1>was an eclipse coming and it just it just Dom

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Harrison just like you know, threw him a softball,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a slow pitch and just let him knock

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<v Speaker 1>it out of the park. But I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how how fast does word travel about a solar eclipse?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean today, even with Instagram, I only know him

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<v Speaker 1>about a few days before they happened. And he was

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<v Speaker 1>he said it fifty days before. Um, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then but no one can predict an earthquake. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you do you think do you think to come so

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<v Speaker 1>it was like it happened or do you think he

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<v Speaker 1>was like lucked out on that one shot. I asked

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Morgan, Yeah, he said New York Times. Hey, he

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<v Speaker 1>blamed a lot of the problems not own the white man,

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<v Speaker 1>but on the way they were living. I mean, that

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<v Speaker 1>was that was pretty insane. I mean, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they will we do the same thing today, We talked

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<v Speaker 1>the same way today a lot of times. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>said that it was a it was a punishment for

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<v Speaker 1>they believe that what was happening to their culture was

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<v Speaker 1>was a punishment for them assimilating. Yeah. And the other

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<v Speaker 1>part of this story, the more I learned about these

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<v Speaker 1>things is that this all didn't happen real quick like

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<v Speaker 1>right now, when we tell the story, we say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they were there, was as civil as they here, and

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<v Speaker 1>then that civilization was basically moved and removed. This thing

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<v Speaker 1>took place over the course of several hundred years. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I was really, I mean almost disappointed in a

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<v Speaker 1>way when I learned that a lot of the Shawnees rejected.

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<v Speaker 1>Two comes to and his brother and he just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like it really ship j C. Man, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>too sure, but I mean he was the one who

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<v Speaker 1>said a prophet was being set in his hometown. What

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<v Speaker 1>what what? It's interesting to think about the timeline. So

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<v Speaker 1>they accepted European settlement four two, Right, took a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of goes to start. If you want to look at

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<v Speaker 1>the Vikings settling sooner, that's a different thing. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you just go with fourteen and two, we've not been

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<v Speaker 1>the United States of America longer than we have, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so like it seems like this very short, compressed thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But like that's almost three hundred years before it comes

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<v Speaker 1>it comes along. Yeah, that's a that's a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of time, especially in that they were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Christopher Columbus the same way we are. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the difference free three five years. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, yeah, it's a complicated history and and

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<v Speaker 1>it it is intimidating to do a series like this because, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not trying to say that this is

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<v Speaker 1>at all inclusive, that this podcast is going to cover

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<v Speaker 1>everything about which comes to life. That'd be impossible, but man,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to have as much as it it can

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense of the time, and to me, like

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<v Speaker 1>the revelations that I have about these things as I

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<v Speaker 1>study them is what I put on the podcast, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a powerful metaphor the soccer game.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great. It would be like trying to describe what

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<v Speaker 1>it would be like for the Native Americans and and

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<v Speaker 1>with an understanding of their understand ending of of private landownership,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm fascinated with. I own piece of land that's

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<v Speaker 1>not here, small piece of land, and when I go there,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not where I live, another little property. When I

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<v Speaker 1>go there, can you drop me a pen? Negative? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't own this place. This is ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is a joke. I don't own this place. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got the right to be here, nobody else does.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't own this place for real. Feel like that.

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<v Speaker 1>When I'm standing there, I'm like, this is not this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is a very abstract, weird feeling. Identify with

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<v Speaker 1>those guys, But okay, soccer game. When you understand that

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<v Speaker 1>a the Native American a lot of the tribes, that

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<v Speaker 1>their connection to their gods and the spiritual world is

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<v Speaker 1>very site specific, super good, intel understand their culture, and

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<v Speaker 1>then for a group to come in that had private

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<v Speaker 1>land ownership worldview and understanding, it would be like a

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<v Speaker 1>soccer game forming in your yard around you, and the

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<v Speaker 1>rules of the game violate your worldview. You don't understand them,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know them, but you're in them. You find

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<v Speaker 1>yourself in the middle of the game, and whoever wins

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<v Speaker 1>gets the land. Just like flesh this out a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit further on my point number two, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>the rules of the game are additionally convoluted by the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the opponent is telling you the rules, changing them.

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<v Speaker 1>You can pick up the ball. Whistle number two is

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<v Speaker 1>just way too long. And she just said that we'd

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<v Speaker 1>all got it, and then they cheated at the soccer game.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know what you meant. Additionally, you're not really

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<v Speaker 1>aware that you're going to lose your house at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the game. It just slowly unfolds that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>hold up and we're just gonna play for fun. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>just moved to back. They're going to give you somewhere else,

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<v Speaker 1>but you gotta walk there. The most amazing thing to

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<v Speaker 1>me is what James said, We've got a hero that

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<v Speaker 1>lost that's just uncalled for and doesn't happen. It doesn't happen,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but I bet, But I think history is

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<v Speaker 1>probably full of that. Oh that's the thing is history

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<v Speaker 1>is literate with these people that have done amazing things,

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<v Speaker 1>but they just didn't win. And whoever one gets to

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<v Speaker 1>write the history right absolutely and and the yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>just don't always win. I mean they don't they don't win. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought the other thing if I was if I

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<v Speaker 1>had been asked, why don't you ask me? Did you

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<v Speaker 1>got to make the podcast? What you asked me? What

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<v Speaker 1>did you think? What did you what was your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>part with thanks for asking? That's great to me. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the most interesting parts was about the influence of

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<v Speaker 1>Native American culture on early American identity. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>way underrated. And I'll walk you even more through what

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<v Speaker 1>I said on the podcast, so the the and I

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<v Speaker 1>hope it made sense. I think the difference between Europeans today,

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<v Speaker 1>like you just go get a random sampling of a

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<v Speaker 1>guy from Europe and you put him with a random

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<v Speaker 1>guy from I don't know, just a state in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would help if that guy was somehow connected

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<v Speaker 1>to the land in a way, not somebody from urban America.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the difference between those guys, which would be

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<v Speaker 1>a vast difference if you could really trace it back

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<v Speaker 1>if you could do a ancestry and me dot com

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<v Speaker 1>with culture and figure out kind of where they came from.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the difference is the Native American influence that

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<v Speaker 1>impacts us to this day. Because when you think, because

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<v Speaker 1>the Daniel Boone was the first real American non governmental hero,

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<v Speaker 1>America's first heroes were like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson

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<v Speaker 1>and these kind of guys. The only guy's written more

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<v Speaker 1>about than Boone are those two in American history, American literature,

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<v Speaker 1>the only two guys written more about and boot So

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<v Speaker 1>Boone in a philosophical level, taught us how to be

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<v Speaker 1>an American. He was an archetype. And Daniel Boone was

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<v Speaker 1>tried for treason Josh because they thought he was an Indian.

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<v Speaker 1>He he he went and lived with them, became adopted

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<v Speaker 1>with them, new new um, the Shawnee language, knew how

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<v Speaker 1>to trade. He would come back and they wouldn't trust him, like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't trust that guy. He's been with, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these domestic terrorists. And he was so influenced by the

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<v Speaker 1>Native American and all these frontiersmen were I mean, they

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<v Speaker 1>taught us how to live in this place. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's fascinating. I thought racin and uh uh point of

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<v Speaker 1>order real quick. Uh my dad, who is wonderful and

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<v Speaker 1>listens to the podcast religiously. Chris Neil called on the

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<v Speaker 1>way down here and said, Chris, he said, is Clay

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<v Speaker 1>sure that all of his descendants are quite Europeans? I said,

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<v Speaker 1>most of them? You're a descendants. You did say that.

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<v Speaker 1>I paid attention. Yeah, to be very sure about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually you should be extremely sure. I didn't get it

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<v Speaker 1>the first time he said it. He caught it. I

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<v Speaker 1>caught it. I don't. Are you sure all of your

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<v Speaker 1>miscendants are all your descendants? I listened to the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>twice yesterday, missed it and missed it when he first said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. It's like being on LinkedIn. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you're on LinkedIn you make a grammatical air your hammer

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram, they'll let it slide. Instagram doesn't even let

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<v Speaker 1>you edit some of your things to fix those grammatical

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<v Speaker 1>or tell Chris, I'm sorry I did. I was listen

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<v Speaker 1>the Meat Eater podcast with what they do the game

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<v Speaker 1>the Game show one, and Spencer new Heart said pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 1>He did, Oh, no, it's viral. It's spreading yesterday pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 1>He did. He did. He said it in the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and when I was listening to it, I paused and said,

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<v Speaker 1>is that how do you say that? Surely that can't

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<v Speaker 1>be right, your total influencer. Well, well, so what's coming

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<v Speaker 1>up on episode number two? Clay second half of it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to his life Okay, second half of his life.

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<v Speaker 1>So we really haven't even got into the to what

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<v Speaker 1>he he did, which is he was highly involved in

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<v Speaker 1>the War of eighteen twelve, sided with the British. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's totally totally in with the British. So now

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<v Speaker 1>a fascinating guy. And uh, we didn't even talk about

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<v Speaker 1>him being a hunter. That was the main thing he

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<v Speaker 1>was known as as a young man, was a great hunter.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, none of us picked up on that forty deer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny, that's the part that Clay really questioned the

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<v Speaker 1>whole story. I know something about hunting, but it's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, when I'm reading all these things, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>there's a guy that far back, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>questions I have for some of these historians, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>learned a lot from Robert Morrigan and from some of

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<v Speaker 1>these other guys, it's like, how do we know that?

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<v Speaker 1>How do we know he did that? Because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I I hope he did that, but I want to

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<v Speaker 1>know how. And a lot of them when they come

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<v Speaker 1>from multiple verses, that's good. But some things are just

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<v Speaker 1>like you trace it back and you'd be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody wrote that in their journal and they never even

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<v Speaker 1>met the guy. Yeah. And I think that that even

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<v Speaker 1>if it was half that, if it was a tenth

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<v Speaker 1>of that, you would be a great hunter. Like if

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<v Speaker 1>I killed four days four deer in three days, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>would be like, dude, that Isaac guy knows how to

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<v Speaker 1>he's getting it done. Yeah, So I think the point stands. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was. He was known as a great hunter

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the Shawnee Nation, and that was a

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<v Speaker 1>major deal for them. That was like that was being

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<v Speaker 1>that was like being a NBA athlete. Speaking of hunting,

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<v Speaker 1>What's coming up on March four, Black Bear Bonanza nine

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<v Speaker 1>am to five pm at the Benton County Quail Barn

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<v Speaker 1>in Bentonville, Arkansas. YEP. Get your tickets ten dollars each.

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<v Speaker 1>The website back Country hunters dot org. Go to the

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<v Speaker 1>events page if you have if you have a protest

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<v Speaker 1>you want to launch, you might try that. An audio

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<v Speaker 1>based protest. You might try that during the Bear Grease

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<v Speaker 1>render recording. What do you mean. I'm just I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to incentivize some people to come out that might

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<v Speaker 1>not Oh, I think they might start like chanting, could

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<v Speaker 1>be talk. I was thinking, if you have an olhood,

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<v Speaker 1>you should be practicing, and it doesn't matter where you're

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're going to get to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have to have like qualifying role. We

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<v Speaker 1>might because it would be if it was like an

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<v Speaker 1>hour and a half of people getting up there now hooting,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd get tired of it. But you have to have

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<v Speaker 1>how many competitors did you have last year? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like probably forty. I think I think we had about

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<v Speaker 1>forty people. It was a lot in Arkansas. We're good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna say that. I'm not saying they were

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<v Speaker 1>all from Arkansas, but we've been to other places. But

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<v Speaker 1>you do get that, you do get the guys that

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<v Speaker 1>probably have never out hooded much. They just want to

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<v Speaker 1>get up there and have a fun time, which is cool. Ye,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the chances of me doing all right with

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<v Speaker 1>a trench coat and a real owl. Man, if I

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<v Speaker 1>get up there with an owl under your trench coat

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<v Speaker 1>and make it hoot, I say, let him go. Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>That's yeah. Bonus points, bonus points for execution, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>will be there, so just where. That's what you bar

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<v Speaker 1>dowl y. I wish I had a bar dol. I

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<v Speaker 1>know you do, I know you do. Well, Hey, this

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<v Speaker 1>has been great, this has been great. This is uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a long this is a long time coming

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<v Speaker 1>for me. I've been planning this for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's come, so it's true. Yeah, yeah, all right, good