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Speaker 1: My name is Clay and Nucleman. This is a production

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Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite type of bonanza? Mine's when it's like

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Speaker 1: all yellow, no brown spots, no greens either. The favorite bonanza. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means, like the type

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Speaker 1: of fruit. It sounds like he's describing fruit. Oh, that

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, because bananza and banana are spelled close together.

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Speaker 1: Joke as much as just like a bad joke, like

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Speaker 1: a bad maybe dad jokeing. I think it's a dead joke. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't get category. I eat a lot of brown

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Speaker 1: bananas because because it takes two seconds. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: who'd rather eat a brown one that's like about to

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Speaker 1: be you know, look like turned out a banana. What

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Speaker 1: we call real love, a real made it an ethical

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Speaker 1: and moral you know statement inside of our house eat

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Speaker 1: brown bananas. Well, so that's where it started for me,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to throw away bananas, but I

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Speaker 1: would prefer a yellow one. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: he would prefer I mean or did it like did

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Speaker 1: it just shift that way because of the moral stand

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying if he went to Walmart and there

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Speaker 1: was like brown ones there, he'd pick those up and

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Speaker 1: told us you're gonna eat those brown ones and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna love it, because not everybody gets something for free

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Speaker 1: in life, right Gary, So play it's all about the

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Speaker 1: money man. My question though, is would he eat a

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Speaker 1: black bear bonanza? Yeah? Exactly where we're starting. We have

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Speaker 1: one Well, we have many many special guests today. One

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Speaker 1: of our special guest today James Brandenberg. James, this is

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Speaker 1: your first time on the Bear Grease is render Now

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Speaker 1: you're a longtime bear Grease scoring throwing a devote. So

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Speaker 1: James would have been on the Bear Grease podcast, didn't

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Speaker 1: last year that the black Bear Black Bears black Banza.

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Speaker 1: So the reason part of the reason James here, well

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Speaker 1: that's not why is here. He's here because he's James

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Speaker 1: Brannenberg and he's just here because he's jas and he's

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Speaker 1: got a cool truck. Got a good truck. He's got

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Speaker 1: a chivy A simmit, what is it? Thing? That's a

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Speaker 1: g m C a T four. It looks good. It's

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Speaker 1: got some I've got a GMC, but it's not quite

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Speaker 1: that new and fancy, James. It's got some nice flavor

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Speaker 1: on the on the campershell. Yep, we've got a pebble

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Speaker 1: it's got the wheels. I mean, it's got the stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know. You walked right past his truck, then walked

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Speaker 1: right past mine. What do you think of mine? I

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Speaker 1: thought your truck looked real good, totally functional, Silverado work truck,

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Speaker 1: edition to commercials, been to Montana pool and mules like

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Speaker 1: four times, New Mexico, Colorado, been all over the country

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Speaker 1: General Motors. And every time I think about that, that's

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Speaker 1: every time I think about that truck and you hauling

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Speaker 1: that mule trailer with two mules in it, with a

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that. Everybody I passed and my impressing.

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Speaker 1: I want to know I drove it the V six

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, that kind of gives it

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Speaker 1: an extra layer of credibility because it was going about

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Speaker 1: twenty miles faster than went Drum all the way to Montampa.

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Speaker 1: Do you have to have a souped up new GMC

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Speaker 1: to attend the black Bear Mananza? I hope not? Or

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Speaker 1: are all vehicles welcome? All vehicles welcome? Okay, the teacher

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Speaker 1: and me is wanting to put some structure to the

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Speaker 1: black Bear Bonanza. And what we're talking about. You tell

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Speaker 1: us about the black Bear Bonanza. Alright, alright, black Bear Bonanza.

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Speaker 1: It's a educational fundraising event. Um. It's put on by

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Speaker 1: Arkansas b h A. It'll be March four at the

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Speaker 1: Benton County Quail Barn in Bentonville, Arkansas. Starts fourth is

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Speaker 1: a Saturday. It is a Saturday. Let me start this over.

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Speaker 1: He said, this is a fundraiser event. People don't like

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Speaker 1: I heard they were going to have a live Black

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Speaker 1: Bear just roaming loose in the event, dancing black Don't

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Speaker 1: at Black Bear? But okay, so we're gonna do we'll

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Speaker 1: have some cooking demos. Um, we're gonna do a Bear

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Speaker 1: we gottas will be there. Yep. Brent's gonna he's gonna

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Speaker 1: m see the ol Hoot contest this year. You're going

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Speaker 1: to judge it this year. So last year Clay m

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Speaker 1: be the greatest Alhoot judge that ever walked this continent.

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Speaker 1: I have no doubt. That means you can't compete exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's like a food I'm not saying I'm the greatest

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Speaker 1: can't compete. But he would be like if like the

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Speaker 1: picking apart every single thing he did when it comes

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Speaker 1: to al he's the Gordon was lacking a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Let me hear your laugh. Hey, you know what I

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Speaker 1: want to see with this this al hooting contest. I'd like,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see the best guys in the world

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Speaker 1: a dude from Missouri. A lot of good Missouri man,

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Speaker 1: they would become you know how, like like a guy

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay for this guy to come down here,

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna be like a ring you know my guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: If you have, if you, if you are listening to

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Speaker 1: this contiguous United States, Um, you should come to Bentonville,

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Speaker 1: Arkansas for our hot contest. And when is it? And

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Speaker 1: I think even it's March fourth. Even people from Alaska

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Speaker 1: and Hawaiia welcome Clay. There's no barred owls over there.

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Speaker 1: I'm imagining Josh Spillmaker, who is in the room and

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Speaker 1: a part of the Render today, as a real sort

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Speaker 1: of John Candy esque X who moves to Jamaica and Antiga, okay,

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is a big high quality bear

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Speaker 1: Grease intellectual property. The Disney move where Okay, alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: so okay, we got heac hashtag. Isaac quit interrupted, Mike

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Speaker 1: so we got a contest, alhot contest. We're gonna Myron

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Speaker 1: Means from the Game and Fish Commission, Large carnivoreologist. He

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Speaker 1: will do another Q and A session for us how

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Speaker 1: big it will be wearing a pair of overalls John Dear.

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Speaker 1: If you have a question, asked how big he is?

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Speaker 1: Clay did a video with him on a bear Den

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Speaker 1: about scale video. It is scale. Um. The newer things

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Speaker 1: But what we're trying to do is introduce people to

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Speaker 1: this knife was made by Garrett Polk. This knife, this

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Speaker 1: told me about it yesterday. It's a beautiful knife. The

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Speaker 1: So we will so we're this knife will be in

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Speaker 1: And yeah that's great man. I really like that beare bone. Man,

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Speaker 1: it for real looks like looks like ivory. Um. Can

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Speaker 1: we talk about Josh this thing? Yeah? Your hat? Oh

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, the sticks are high for the alhookm. Yes.

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Speaker 1: So the winner, the winner of the Alhoot contest Clay

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Speaker 1: is going to get handmade coon skin cap. That's a

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Speaker 1: I'll be there all day just hanging out. It's family friendly,

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Speaker 1: this year. Tickets are super easy. It's ten bucks for

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Speaker 1: bottom of that tree, and you don't get that just

424
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: in a moment. You get that over a lifetime of

425
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: wanting to love something and and and kind of what

426
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: it represents. So to me, a treed coon is just

427
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: like wow. But somebody else, somebody just be like, dude,

428
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: I see coons every day on side the road dead.

429
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm starting to learn about what that is for duck hunting,

430
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: because duck hunting is a ton of work. Yes, it's

431
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: you wake up extremely early, and more times than not

432
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: you don't do very good. Yeah, and and this is

433
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: the one thing about big game hunting is that you

434
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: can go have a bad streak of deer hunting, but

435
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, you know maybe you're

436
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: gonna get your buck, and the payoff is so big

437
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: that it makes all that suffering worth it. And so

438
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: I hiked. We hiked. We calculated about seven miles on

439
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: Sunday at the place that we went duck hunting. Duck

440
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: hunting and so in hiking, in carrying decoys, and then

441
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: we did a little bit of just walking around, maybe

442
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: jump shooting if we could find any and we couldn't

443
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: find any. We didn't fire our guns on Sunday, hiked

444
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: seven miles and even if we had, I mean, the

445
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: most we would have brought home is six ducks, which

446
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: is not nearly as much stuff as what you get

447
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,719
Speaker 1: off of one deer. Right, So it's but but the

448
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: experience of being out there, you're out early, you get

449
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: to see everything. It's exciting. You're talking about where are

450
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: you gonna go, You're calling. That's the that's the fun part, right,

451
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,959
Speaker 1: is talking to the ducks and trying to get that

452
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: figured out. Um, I don't think you can underestimate the

453
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: like aspect of like the foolishness of it, and like

454
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: so that goes hand in hand with like the talking

455
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: like camaraderie right where you're all up in the middle

456
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: of the night in the dark, standing in water hopefully

457
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: it's really cold, like that's like the best case scenario. Yeah, yeah,

458
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: and you're like doing this all together with your friends

459
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: and you're like, why are we doing why are we

460
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: doing this? Yeah, exactly because I can't not and and then'

461
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: and no, it's not like you get a trophy duck,

462
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like, you know, I

463
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: used to think that, but there there are so first

464
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: of all abandoned if that's a trophy. But we went

465
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: on a guided hunt in Nebraska last year and we

466
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: shot some widgeon that were we'd never even seen a

467
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: region before. I'm not a very season duck hunter, but

468
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: we shot a region that everybody else in the blind

469
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, that's beautiful. And then when

470
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: you start looking at it, you're like, oh, I understand

471
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: why this is. It's really nuanced, I guess, but it's

472
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: completely luck I mean it's duck on a trail camp

473
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go hunt it. But but it's not

474
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: I think that would Uh. I don't know that that's

475
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: the best way to say it, Josh, but it is true,

476
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: like you're not targeting a specific duck. You're not like

477
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope the other day we had that

478
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: thing on trail camp for a week. I've got a

479
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: serious question mile away. He wasn't daylighting. And then all

480
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: of a sudden, that's someone that's new too. I I

481
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: picked up that bandits were banded ducks were really valuable.

482
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: What's the Is it just that it's cool, It's just

483
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: it's just that it's one and it's rare. But I

484
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: don't know how many ducks literally are banded. I mean,

485
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: let's say, in five thousand ducks. I don't know. It's

486
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: and it's kind of neat that you can plug in

487
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: the information on the band see where it was banded.

488
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: It's like life cycle. That's that's a neat, little new

489
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: And there is a lot of little neat things about

490
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: duck hunting, and one of them is the diversity of ducks.

491
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: Like when we go out here squirrel hunting, like we

492
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: could kill fox squirrel or gray squirrel. And you go

493
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: deer hunting, you know you're gonna kill a deer. When

494
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: you go duck hunting, you all the different ducks are

495
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: are there's different value added to how many different ducks

496
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: can you kill in Arkansas? Oh? There there are forty

497
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: one in North America. I don't know how many are specific.

498
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: I would guess about fifteen to seventeen species just off

499
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: the top of my You're probably in anyone given SI

500
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: only gonna kill like two or three varieties. But the

501
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: guys here in Arkansas at least want to kill mallards.

502
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: They care less about most other ducks. Um, that's just

503
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: what except for teal missing our big teal pieple. I'm

504
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: a huge teal fan and they're really cool. Now, what

505
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask about the teal is how are

506
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 1: you going to cook the teal? So I'm okay, So

507
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: I have one, right, I mean I have a teal okay,

508
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: And it's not bay Way. Wait, you just have one.

509
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: So you shot at all the other ones and you

510
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: guys didn't bring any more back. We Yeah, there was

511
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: one other teal keeled okay, it was a two bird

512
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: morning okay, and I I really want to mount mine.

513
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: It is a really pretty birth and so um. And

514
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: I was having a hard time deciding whether to mount

515
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: it or to cook it, because the whole reason I

516
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: went was I wanted to cook it back and anyway

517
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: I got and the and the other one was donated

518
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: to meat to cook. So um. But I think we

519
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: had a gumbo, a duck gumbo, and I thought that

520
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: would be super like it was you you would call

521
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: it demo. That's a good idea. Um, I thought that

522
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: would I want to do something where it's either pressure

523
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: cooked or you know, low and slow. We tried some duck,

524
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: but we try to cook duck last year. We're not

525
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: rare meat people, and that I think makes a huge

526
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: difference in whether you like duck or not. I think, yeah,

527
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: And so since that's not who we are, we're gonna

528
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: have to find another way than just like you know,

529
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: smoking are grilling it up. Look up teal in a jar.

530
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: That's a that's a way to do it, and you

531
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, put all the ingredients into a jar and

532
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: cook it low and slow. Um, I've heard that's pretty good.

533
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: I think I think I might have tried it once.

534
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: But I can't remember for sure Brad that we were

535
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: talking about earlier with the beaver tail. Okay, they did

536
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: it once and he's not a big duck hunter. They

537
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: thought it was okay. So it's really funny because I

538
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: have this one teal and in the past two days

539
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: everyone's given me a recipe, and it's like, well, guys,

540
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: I've got this one deal a bunch of friends, yea

541
00:30:52,440 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: for my plate. On my plate of deal, I'd like

542
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: to talk about a man named Is that why we're here? Okay? Okay?

543
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 1: I like I like the way they say his name

544
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: to Comsy. Okay, well, there is a way, Robert Morgan said,

545
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: is that the way you wanted to say it to

546
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: t Comsa? I've always been it to comes a guy?

547
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: What did you what? We started off to come see

548
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: and then you and then you were code switching on me. Yeah,

549
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: you'd be saying to come see, and then I say

550
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: to Comsa, and then you'd switch over to Kamsa and

551
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: then somebody. Then he goes back, yeah, well and it's

552
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: neither one of them. To man on the way here,

553
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: I said his brother's name like two hundred times so

554
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: I could remember it. And now I forgot again ten squattawa,

555
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: I said it different ways one tanks. Because this is

556
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: what I want to start off on talking about comfort,

557
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: is that I have never Isaac can vouch for this.

558
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: We've I've never researched something so long. This was well

559
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: over a year ago that I started researching two KOMPSA

560
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: and as I, as I learned more and more, pronounced

561
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: the names different and as I kind of nailed it down.

562
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: But this was probably the most well, for sure, the

563
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: most research that ever did. You went to New York, Maryland.

564
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: I went to Wahoma. I went to New York to

565
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: meet with Robert Morgan. To meet with New York Times

566
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: bestselling author Robert Morgan. If I'm if I'm ever a

567
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: New York Times best selling author, I want yall. You're

568
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: just gonna have everything away. You're gonna have your friend

569
00:32:54,440 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: New York Times bestselling author Morgan name. That's the way

570
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: I want to introduce him. It's like you did this

571
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: my man Maryland was bestselling author Stephen Ronella. Well he

572
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: is for sure, yeah, multiple so the so Robert Morgan,

573
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: I went to his house to talk to him, and

574
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: UH also interviewed him about another topic that we haven't

575
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: even done. Um. Then I went to I went to

576
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: Maryland for Peter Cousins. Went to d C Washington, d C, Yeah,

577
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 1: Maryland essentially, um to meet with Peter Cousins, who is

578
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: the author of the book Two Comes in the Profit,

579
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: which is I mean, I'm not really authorized to say

580
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: what is the seminal work on two Comes to because

581
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: there are a lot of books on two Comes To

582
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of stuff, but I've not found one

583
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: that is that I liked as much as this one,

584
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: and I looked at several of them. So this is

585
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: a great book. Two Comes in the Profit. It's it's

586
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: a it's a read, man, I mean, it's it's a read.

587
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 1: It's not it's no joke. Um. So we went up there. Now,

588
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: I went to Dallas, Texas to meet Dr Dave Edmonds,

589
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: who basically has spent his life as a historical researcher

590
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: of Native American history, but he's also very involved in

591
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: with multiple tribes and and and stood before, been been

592
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: involved in court cases and different things that have to

593
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: do with tribal history. There's a lot of there, there's

594
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff going on right now that I

595
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: mean that has always gone on with the tribes and

596
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: the US government and land and treaty stuff. They're still

597
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty wild. And so Dave Edmund's very

598
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: very very knowledgeable guy. And uh Daves like eighty one

599
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: years old. He was, Yes, he was a new guy.

600
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: And then um Miami, Oklahoma and met with Chief Ben

601
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: Barn which was a really I thought about that Miama, Oklahoma. Yeah,

602
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: and you went to well, we went to Ohio watched

603
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: the two Come Suh outdoor drama. Yeah, me and Isaac

604
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: drove to drove to Ohio to watch There is an

605
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: outdoor drama in Chillicothe, Ohio that's been going on for

606
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: fifty years. I mean a major outdoor production with like

607
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: a hundred cast members and outdoor stadium gunshots that they

608
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: don't prepare you for gunshots. Two hour long outdoor play.

609
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: We got live horses, Indian battles, hang out with the

610
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: guy who produces it and the pyrotechnics guy who have

611
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: both been there for a long time. Yeah. So there's

612
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: a lot on two Come So. And the best part

613
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: of it is is that I didn't know anything about

614
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: to Come So a year and a half ago. Nothing

615
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: I I'll tell you how I got interested in him

616
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: as I was reading another book, a book by Alan

617
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: Eckhart called The Frontiersman, which I didn't ball boy, I'm

618
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: gonna make some enemies. I didn't like the book. I

619
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: actually couldn't finish it. It was written in a it's

620
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: a very famous book. It's it's, it's he wrote very

621
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: well known, a well known biography of two Come sat

622
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: And he also wrote the Outdoor Drama, didn't he And

623
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's art at heart. Yeah, he's he's

624
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 1: passed away, but he, uh, his his books, especially The Frontiersman,

625
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: were done. They're they're written what do they call it,

626
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: like a historical narrative, historical fiction. Yeah, Basically they take

627
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: real stuff that they know happened and kind of dramatize

628
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: it inside of telling in the story form. So it's

629
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: it's it's very informative and that you you probably get

630
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: a really good picture of what happened. But they're totally

631
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: just guessing about like you know, they would put words

632
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: into comes his mouth about him talking to it would

633
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: be a story that is informed by the historical figures

634
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: and a lot of research, but factually it's like, yeah,

635
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: I had a hard time. Yeah, my wife loves books

636
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: like that. She loves a historical fiction. So but I

637
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: was telling you, I was telling you why I was

638
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: reading that book, and it was talking about two compsa

639
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: because he's in the book and it and it talked

640
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: about how his name meant panther crossing the sky. That's

641
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: pretty They knew how to name yea and I mean Sylla.

642
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Yeah, it's so complex though, Tin

643
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: Squaddo his name wasn't Tin Squatta until after he had

644
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: the visions. His name was. I still think it's a

645
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: It's a better name than Josh. Sorry, man, great, so

646
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: so moms you need to work a little harder in

647
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: their own way. The other thing that I wished I

648
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: had known, which I declared on the podcast, was that

649
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: I wish I had known about the burying a white

650
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: tail antler with a Nambo's big chance. Did y'all do

651
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: that with me? Dad? No, we did. You got that

652
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: umbilical cord floating around anywhere? Is it too late to

653
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: bury it? There another body part you could use. It's

654
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: a cut off the finger. Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe. Well, um, misty,

655
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: what do you think of the podcast? I thought it

656
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: was really good. I thought, yeah, you're you're taking a

657
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: pretty complex topic and you're just trying to look at it. Yeah,

658
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: shoot it straight, get get the get the facts, and

659
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: none of the other stuff around it. And you know,

660
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: you acknowledged the podcast that this kind of stuff, for

661
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: no good reason, can be difficult to talk about because

662
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: people get so um, I don't know, people get so

663
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: easily offended and and and don't necessarily want to look

664
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: at things just yeah, there there are people want to

665
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: make a lot of a lot of qualifying statements around everything.

666
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: And I thought you did a good job of just

667
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: like saying this is this is what happened. This is

668
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: a story. It's a very intriguing story. I mean, there's

669
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: so many different aspects of this particular story. As as

670
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: you're going through it almost felt like it almost felt unreal.

671
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like the brother what did he I I

672
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: remember your phrase? Do you think he called that down?

673
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: What was what was told William Henry Harrison that he

674
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: was going to go back to Detroit and stomp his

675
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: foot and it was gonna earth was gonna shake his

676
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: house down. Okay, yeah, and the yeah right right, so

677
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: the earthquakes and but there are just several aspects of

678
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: it that were, yeah, almost unbelievable. And I'm not saying

679
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: that I don't believe these things happened, Like I I

680
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: do believe these things happen. But I just thought it

681
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: was a great It's a very intriguing tale. I'm looking

682
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: forward to hearing the other two. I think there's it's

683
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: a sad tale. I mean it's it's on a lot

684
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: of different levels personal, like what happened to his people?

685
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: If I put myself and I think that's what you

686
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: did really well in this. You you made to come

687
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: to come to a person, you know, you made him

688
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: a person that you could relate to and not like

689
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: this heroic figure what she was, but or or you

690
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: took someone whose life had a whole lot of dynamics

691
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: in it that that seemed too big to be real,

692
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: and you could kind of feel like, well, if I

693
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: was in his bow, if I was in his shoes,

694
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: this is how I would. Uh. Yeah, I can understand.

695
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: I can understand that. Yeah, I love love being an Indian. Yeah,

696
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: he loved living the way that they wanted to live. Yeah,

697
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: And it's you know, I think it also gives a

698
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: level of well, I'll let someone else. I'll let someone

699
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: else talking. If you don't think what was you can

700
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: give an overarching statement, but like, what is one thing?

701
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: I can think of one thing that if I were

702
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: to talking to you, I would get excited about and

703
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: I would say, man, you wouldn't believe this. I thought

704
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: it was fascinating to overlap with Daniel Boone. Yeah, I

705
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: mean that was Yeah, that was that. That kind of

706
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. Like I didn't. I didn't quite

707
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, I listened today to the podcast and I

708
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: didn't quite catch all the timelines. And then when you

709
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: started talking about that, I'm like, oh, man, this is

710
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: like two huge figures in American history just piling around,

711
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think it's pretty incredible

712
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: at the very least, and more of uh uh Daniel

713
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: Boone's biographies it would come up. Oh and by the

714
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: way he had these interactions with this probably the most prolific. Yeah,

715
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Daniel Boone wouldn't have even eventually he would

716
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: have known who I mean, surely too Compson would have

717
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 1: known who Daniel Boone was, at least at the very least.

718
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, I thought that was pretty fascinating. Yeah, yeah,

719
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: but we do. There is no record right of the

720
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: mac fully, No, they were just they were contemporaries all

721
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: that stuff back there. It's so there is a lot

722
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: of folklore around all those guys. Yeah, folklore meaning just

723
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: we're not exactly sure how to dial it in. Possibly

724
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: exaggerated Taylor, but that is not folklore. I mean like

725
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: Tecumsa was was with black Fish, who was his adopted father,

726
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: and it was the same black Fish that adopted Boone,

727
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: and they would have absolutely overlapped. So, I mean, there's

728
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: no question about that. The speculation is was was two

729
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: comes one of the kids that Boone gave candy too.

730
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: I didn't the statement I made. I made too just

731
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: interesting statements that I remember. I remember Boone telling his

732
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: son Nathan that Blackfish would suck on a sugar cube

733
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: and give it to him. Man, when you think about uh,

734
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: like a way to like caw sure a moment in history.

735
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: Boone knew how to do that, and it showed so

736
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: much of what Blackfish wanted from Boone and who he was.

737
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: But the way I said it in the podcast, it

738
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: made it sound like Blackfish was given candy to the kids.

739
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: Boone was the one who also told Nathan, his son

740
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: that hey, I would give candy. I guess he got

741
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: sugarcubes from somewhere to the little kids in Chili coffee

742
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: or they weren't Chili Coothee at that time. Uh well

743
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: yeah they were. He could have given a sugar cube

744
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: to two come that speculation. We don't know that. So

745
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: I thought that was really fascinating. I also, um, you know,

746
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: we've talked a little bit about Chief Ben Barnes. Fascinating

747
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: guy to here speak. I mean just he seems very

748
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: articulate and knowledgeable, and I'm hoping we're going to get

749
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: to hear from him for sure. It was it was

750
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: kind of I kind of hated it that he didn't

751
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: show up more on this first episode. He just did.

752
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: We didn't talk as much with him about the chronology

753
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: of it comes to his life. So he weighs in

754
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: a whole lot more in later episodes. And we're gonna

755
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: hear about the Shawny Nation today. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah,

756
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: but Dad, what do you think? It's always very very good? Um,

757
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: really deep. I mean, it was just like I just

758
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: couldn't believe all the action in that thing. Um an

759
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: amazing guy. You know, I read about Quanta Parker years ago.

760
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: The two guys remind me of each other, umpire of

761
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: the Summer Moon. And I'd never dreamed there'd be an

762
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: Indian more popular and bigger significance than Quantum. I mean

763
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: he entertained presidents and uh m hmm. But this guy

764
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: was amazing. I mean I liked it when they said

765
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: you have a personnelit on the arise. They didn't say

766
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: a generation or every other generation, but you see it

767
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: in sports. You know, you go, this is a generational athlete.

768
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: But he was one in a many, many, many people

769
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: that had the ability to lead. Uh just a natural ability.

770
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: And you know his looks that was enter interesting, you know.

771
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean he had everything you would want in a leader.

772
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: He even had a limp where people could tell who

773
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: he was from a distance. I mean, he was a

774
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: beautiful guy. He was built well, he was strong, he

775
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: was his voice. I mean everything about him was said,

776
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: I am the guy follow me. Now. I'm not sure. Uh,

777
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,479
Speaker 1: I assume he took the nation down the right path.

778
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I mean, you know, he

779
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: cost a lot of lives by taking that direction. But uh,

780
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: it's also intriguing to me that it was just oh,

781
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: how Wisconsin, Indiana, you know, Illinois, just a mid America. Yeah,

782
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's sounds like a pretty good plan to me.

783
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: Let's go for that. Yeah, that's that's and that's so deep.

784
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: It's it's hard to get everything right. But that's the

785
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: simplest way to say it is that it comes to

786
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: didn't think that the whole continent of North America was

787
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: going to be given back to the Native Americans. They

788
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: just wanted an Indian nation, and that, when you think

789
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: about it, is really doesn't sound that wild. I mean,

790
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: think about Europe. Think about Europe. Europe is full of

791
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: different countries. I mean there's i mean a country like

792
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: the U. S That has this much geographic land of

793
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: of contiguous you know, geographic areas in the same jurisdiction

794
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: of government. Is pretty wild. And you know, if there

795
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: was a there was a country inside of this, we

796
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: we wouldn't just be like yeah, that's it would have worked.

797
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean we would have combined forces together and been

798
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 1: like one country. I mean, who knows where it would

799
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: have gone. But pretty crazy. Yeah, well, and that's the

800
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: thing about it comes to that so intriguing, and we

801
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: really haven't even got into These things are so hard

802
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: to put together because we haven't even got into really

803
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: what he did. We described We spent a lot of

804
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: time on his childhood, which I thought that's always one

805
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: of the most interesting parts to me of these guys lives.

806
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: Who made them and why are they the way they are?

807
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: And when you see the crisis into comes to his life,

808
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we can't. Now there are people on

809
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: planet Earth today that can identify with living in a

810
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: war zone and having people killed. I mean, this is

811
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: not something that is unusual to human race. Yeah, for

812
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: for us here in North America. Yeah, but I mean

813
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: three major figures, like every father he ever had died

814
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: by the time he was fourteen years old. His his

815
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: older brother, who then was tasked to raise him dies.

816
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: Chess Aqua says, I don't want to be buried like

817
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: these You're not supposed to say that word anymore, squaw.

818
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: They don't say that anymore. They don't, ye, so, but

819
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: that's what that's what they said. Did He said, I

820
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: I want the fouls of the air to pick my butt.

821
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: Love that man. I just thought that was awesome. I'm thinking,

822
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of the way I want to go make

823
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: that happen. That had to get renamed because it was

824
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: called an old squaw. Yeah it's a long tail now, Yep.

825
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm for it, Yep, I just want it recorded. When

826
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: I heard that, I immediately lived at Clay and said, hey,

827
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't feel the same way for those the Native Americans.

828
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: And this goes back to what's so intriguing to me

829
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: from a language and kind of folks each like, where

830
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: did where did the kind of the American dialect come from?

831
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: Is that the Native American orators were powerful. You go

832
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: back and listen to the very first introduction of the podcast.

833
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: I start off with a quote from Takompsa where he's

834
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: talking to who would eventually become a US president, William

835
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: Henry Harrison. Just listen to the way he spoke, and

836
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: there are hundreds of two Compsa quotes where I mean,

837
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: those guys, man, that's all they had. They didn't have

838
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: written language, they didn't have they didn't have books to

839
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: write stuff in. I mean, in most of their history,

840
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: what they had was spoken language, and they were masters

841
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: of it. And then when these Europeans came over here

842
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: with the English language. They heard these guys talk and

843
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: we're like wow. And and you know, Robert Morgan is

844
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: the one who told me that. Well, I said of

845
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: that to say, what chis Aqua said was that's just

846
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: the way they spoke. They were just dramatic in the

847
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: way that they spoke. You know, they said, I want

848
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: the fouls of the air to pick my bones. I

849
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: don't want to be buried back at camp. But that

850
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: would have really impacted Ta Kompsa and the I'm picking

851
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: on two things here, the fog of death over his life,

852
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: but then that translated into him being this leader, visionary

853
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: with with what he believed was in the best interest

854
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: for his people, and then him being this great orator

855
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 1: and leader. Incredible stuff, Isaac, What was your favorite part?

856
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: I got three big ones. Okay, One the idea that

857
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 1: he like stood up on on that the First War

858
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: Party outing fifteen years old against Like, if I was

859
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: in that position, I'd be like, Yep, we torture people.

860
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: That's what I'm into now, Like because I had just

861
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: no like personal authority or you know, identity. Yeah, to

862
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: be able to be like, hey, guys, even if I

863
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: felt that way, you know, and I'm not. I'm not

864
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 1: trying to map my my current understanding of the world

865
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: onto these people. But to see someone do that is

866
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: truly remarkable to me. Yeah, to stand stand against a

867
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: trend because you could not. But as a not as

868
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: a full grown man, as a fifteen I mean to

869
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: some degree he was, but like as a fifteen year

870
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: old boy, I was, you know, lightening bottle rockets with

871
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: my buddies and getting up to no good. He's like, hey,

872
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: let's let's reconsider this tradition. Yeah too, I've been back

873
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: and forth, so like, hey, let me stop you. I

874
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: want to talk about that, because that was a definer

875
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: of comes his life. That was what got back to

876
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: the American people, that made them love to compsa was

877
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: that that was that was part of what got back.

878
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: And um, I had asked Peter Cozens, I said, where

879
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: did where did that come from? And and in the

880
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: section we used on the podcast, it was kind of

881
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: like we don't know where he got that, Like how

882
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: did that come What wasn't on the podcast because I

883
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: just had to chop it was he He told me

884
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: that there were some other chiefs, like way back, like

885
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: a random chief every now and then would be like, hey,

886
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: this is bad, we shouldn't do this. So he he

887
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: he probably had that in his in the historic lineage

888
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: at some point, but he still had to stand up vehemently.

889
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 1: And we just told this time when he was fifteen,

890
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: when he did that, that was the first time he

891
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: made a stink about it. But all through his life,

892
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: even to his deathbed, he was going in and like

893
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: scolding guys for for torturing prisoners, which was extremely calm

894
00:52:53,360 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: whole life. And to bring it back to uh Daniel Boone, Uh,

895
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: it makes me wonder he was ten years old when

896
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: Daniel Bunde was captured. Only five years later he's standing

897
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: up to a war party saying, like, let's reconsider how

898
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: we operate here. So it wouldn't surprise me if he

899
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: stood out as a child in this circumstance, you know

900
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like ten years to fifteen years old

901
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: is not that big of a difference. Number two, I

902
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: like my background. I maybe considered more of a bleeding

903
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: heart or I don't know what you would want to

904
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: call it, but like I empathize with the plight of

905
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: Native Americans, and I feel kind of bad about the

906
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: way that they have been treated historically speaking, And I

907
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: was listening to a podcast recently that deals with a

908
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 1: modern struggle of native rights against uh, the established government,

909
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: and I got to thinking, like, in any other circumstance,

910
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: a conquered people like it doesn't matter what they feel like.

911
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: The history of people is that we conquer other people's

912
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: and then it's like, too bad, you lose. And so

913
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: I was like, is my feeling correct about this? But

914
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: one of the things things that made me swing back

915
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: to my original position on this is the idea that

916
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: what is at stake here is not a conquered people

917
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: versus a conqueror, but it is a powerful entity that

918
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: operates in bad faith, giving treaties and then going back

919
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: on their word, saying here's how we're going to deal

920
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: with you, and then discovering that that was a lie

921
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: or a ruse to whatever. And so ultimately what we're

922
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: saying is not only is this a people who has

923
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: treated poorly in terms of they had the bad luck

924
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: to be overran by people who had better technology and

925
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: a bunch of disease, but then those people who were

926
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: operating in power dealt in bad faith with them and

927
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: have continued to and so that's a lot of the

928
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: issue that we're dealing with today, not this abstract comp

929
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: concept of this people was treated poorly back then, but

930
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: our government said, here's how we'll operate with you. Here

931
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: is a legal document that says these are your rights,

932
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: this is your place that cont annually was treated like garbage.

933
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: And so I think that that is an interesting thing

934
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: to view this through, because not only is there this

935
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: moral question of what's right and wrong, but there's this

936
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: legal question of we they are probably owed something to

937
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: some degree, and and through that lens the idea of hey,

938
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: I'd just like to set up this Indian country. That

939
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: seems like a very valid and very small ask, especially

940
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: because that was guaranteed to them by the way our

941
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: government operated. And so I think that's an interesting concept.

942
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: You touched on it in the podcast, but we didn't

943
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: go in super deep. Yeah, which leads to my third point,

944
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: which is it's he's so interesting and this is kind

945
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: of what Gary was talking about in this like great

946
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 1: like confluence of all of these personality and physical traits

947
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: the oration. So much of the story of Native Americans

948
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: is our government dealing with them a way that they

949
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: don't understand like the idea of private landownership and so

950
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: like to treat with them in that way is kind

951
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: of dirty pool. And then here we have somebody like

952
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: two Comes who understands the concept, is well versed in

953
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: the way of the American people, but then also has

954
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: the backbone to stand up and go I reject that.

955
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: So I'm going to lead my people with this understanding

956
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: into a way that could potentially um bring success. And

957
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: I think that's another just really fascinating aspect of his

958
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: unique personhood. Yeah, James, what do you think, Well, there

959
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: are a couple aspects of it that jumped out to me.

960
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: The first part of it that I was really struck by.

961
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: I think if you if you took the names off

962
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,959
Speaker 1: of all the different parties in it and just told

963
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: the story from from the standpoint of UM, a charismatic

964
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: leader and oppressed people, or you could say it from

965
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 1: an oppressed people, or you could even say it from

966
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: the standpoint of people who are who felt like they

967
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: were being treated badly maybe or they weren't, because history

968
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: is full of UM these figures, and you touched on

969
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: it this once in a lifetime or once in a generation,

970
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: these people who come along, who can inspire a revolution? Right,

971
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: So good revolutions and bad revolutions have have happened throughout history.

972
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: So that was the first thing that kind of struck

973
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: me is that this is one of those kind of

974
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: stories that just didn't result in the kind of happy

975
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: ending or um. You know, if it was if it

976
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: was put Churchill in there or put Gandhi in there

977
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: as two coomsa okay, and they were victorious, we would

978
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: remember the history differently. But he wasn't victorious, right, and

979
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: so ultimately what he doesn't win. Hear Ben Barnes comment

980
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: on that. Love it? Sorry, go ahead, Yeah, it's up

981
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: for debate. Okay, So so you I understand your point.

982
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: I was making a joy It's a great point. But

983
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: you that's the thing that struck me was how it's

984
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: a charismatic it's a charismatic leader who in The second

985
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: thing that that I kind of saw was you had

986
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: said that you had this religious movement started as a

987
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: religious movement and then you know, with his brother, and

988
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: then he came along and added the political and military

989
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: component to it. Okay, how often has that happened, even

990
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: fairly recently? You know, So history has this way of

991
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: repeating itself and then and then thinking about how you

992
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: were You had mentioned that they back to the the

993
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: storytelling in the way that they spoke, and how that

994
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: was basically borrowed. Here you had people on essentially two

995
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: opposite sides, right, So the Europeans who were moving in

996
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: wanted to conquer, and there and their leadership and their

997
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, the religious leaders, their political leaders were looking

998
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: at their opposition and copying what they admired that their

999
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: opposition was able to do. I mean that still happens

1000
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: to every day. Um. You know, one side gets a

1001
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: little bit ahead, and then the other side copies their

1002
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: tactics and they get a little bit ahead or so.

1003
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: So the overarching thing there for me is that I

1004
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: was struck by how easily you could you could take

1005
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: this story and place it in so many other times

1006
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: in history. You just took the punchline from from episode two,

1007
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: James get the memo. That's a great observation because that's

1008
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: what I talked about it with Dave Edmonds, and it's

1009
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: so interesting to hear him describe it, and that when

1010
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: you turn a bunch of people loose in the in

1011
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: the same place and there's there's border conflicts and cultural

1012
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: conflicts like the Native Americans and the the Americans. Basically

1013
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: all the same stuff like always happens different different players,

1014
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: different characters, different little different scenarios, but some it's really similar.

1015
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a that's a good that's a good observation.

1016
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: I also thought it was really interesting how the reaction was, Hey,

1017
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: we got to get rid of this modern stuff that's

1018
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: coming in here and go back to our simpler way

1019
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: of life. And that interesting. I mean, so much of

1020
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: history is that conflict between progress and and our roots.

1021
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: It's like we feel it personally, we feel it generationally,

1022
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: we feel it as a country. And and that's always

1023
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: the political tension pretty much anywhere, it's the political tension

1024
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: in this country. Yep. Is that Well, you know, who

1025
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: was the America from fifty years ago? We're not that anymore.

1026
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: And and it's and it's an idealized way also can be.

1027
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: You know, we remember the good things from the past

1028
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: and we forget the whatever, you know, we forget the

1029
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: uh childhood poverty or you know, birth rates or you

1030
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: know whatever it is that we that we kind of

1031
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: gloss over from the past that wasn't as good. What

1032
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: do you think, Dad, I didn't have a thought. Yeah,

1033
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: well I've had a several, but forget them pretty quickly. Remember,

1034
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: you know the point you just made about going back

1035
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: the way we used to be. You know, I thought

1036
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: that was really critical. You see it all through our

1037
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: society today. I want to go back the way we

1038
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: were twenty years ago. I mean, uh, how we teach

1039
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: our kids all this stuff? They had the same issues.

1040
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: And if you go back to the Civil War, you know,

1041
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: wherever you go, I mean, it's we we fight the

1042
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: same demons. And when they when his brother received this

1043
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: vision or whatever it was his dream, he uh, he

1044
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't run the country is an evangelist, And they said

1045
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: a lot of the early evangel were Indians like Paul Roberts. Uh.

1046
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a that overlap was really interesting

1047
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: and I saw it coming in the book before they

1048
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: actually said it. So in the way the book structured,

1049
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: it talks about Tin Squentawa's Tin Squaws, his vision and

1050
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: the components of the doctrine. And I'm as I'm reading it,

1051
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, this is a lot there's a lot of

1052
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: overlap with Christian preacher. Yeah, you know, you got you

1053
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: got the serpent's and you got to master whatever they

1054
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: call it. So you got God in safe and and

1055
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: a lot of and you know, we couldn't get into

1056
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: like all the doctrine just because it's just there's only

1057
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: so much. I tried to give people just what they

1058
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: need to understand. But the whole thing was about gaining

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01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: access back to the Great Spirit, which is essentially the

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01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: story of Christianity, access to God, you know, And and

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01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: so that it was the same thing. It was. It was.

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01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: It was a similar story. And it was so interesting

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01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: to hear go ahead, go ahead before I forget it. Yeah, uh,

1064
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: he said. The brother said that I've already forgotten it.

1065
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: But the point that I'm driving it. I've talked to Indians,

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01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, people that I know today, and they say,

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01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: one great thing that came from all this was Christianity.

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01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: And um, so there were some good that came. I

1069
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: raised my hand again. I'm getting too old to be

1070
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: on the river. Hey, hey, here you here's here's the point.

1071
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: Here's a point. Now, this isn't it? This is better? Okay,

1072
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: even better when I think about the render, the brotherhood,

1073
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: the bond that we have here we eat out of

1074
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: the same bowl, we eat out of the same with

1075
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: the same spoon, same stuff. Yeah, there you go. Some

1076
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: want the sugar cube, passed the sugar cube. That's all

1077
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna start doing now. I thought, I thought that

1078
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: was super interesting that the at the time of the

1079
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: Great Awakening in this country and there were all there

1080
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: was this frontier Christian revival same same time this was happening.

1081
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: Super interesting and um yeah, the the the miracles were

1082
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: very interesting eclips. So when you read it, there's some

1083
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: guys that just straight up say Tin Squattawa knew there

1084
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: was an eclipse coming and it just it just Dom

1085
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: Henry Harrison just like you know, threw him a softball,

1086
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: you know, a slow pitch and just let him knock

1087
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: it out of the park. But I mean, I don't

1088
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: know how how fast does word travel about a solar eclipse?

1089
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: I mean today, even with Instagram, I only know him

1090
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: about a few days before they happened. And he was

1091
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: he said it fifty days before. Um, I don't know.

1092
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: And then but no one can predict an earthquake. No, no,

1093
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: you do you think do you think to come so

1094
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: it was like it happened or do you think he

1095
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: was like lucked out on that one shot. I asked

1096
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: Robert Morgan, Yeah, he said New York Times. Hey, he

1097
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:21,479
Speaker 1: blamed a lot of the problems not own the white man,

1098
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: but on the way they were living. I mean, that

1099
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: was that was pretty insane. I mean, you know, I mean,

1100
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: they will we do the same thing today, We talked

1101
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: the same way today a lot of times. Yeah, they

1102
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: said that it was a it was a punishment for

1103
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: they believe that what was happening to their culture was

1104
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: was a punishment for them assimilating. Yeah. And the other

1105
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: part of this story, the more I learned about these

1106
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: things is that this all didn't happen real quick like

1107
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 1: right now, when we tell the story, we say, yeah,

1108
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: they were there, was as civil as they here, and

1109
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: then that civilization was basically moved and removed. This thing

1110
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: took place over the course of several hundred years. And

1111
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: so I was really, I mean almost disappointed in a

1112
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: way when I learned that a lot of the Shawnees rejected.

1113
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: Two comes to and his brother and he just kind

1114
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: of like it really ship j C. Man, I'm not

1115
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: too sure, but I mean he was the one who

1116
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: said a prophet was being set in his hometown. What

1117
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: what what? It's interesting to think about the timeline. So

1118
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: they accepted European settlement four two, Right, took a couple

1119
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: of goes to start. If you want to look at

1120
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: the Vikings settling sooner, that's a different thing. But if

1121
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: you just go with fourteen and two, we've not been

1122
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: the United States of America longer than we have, right,

1123
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: and so like it seems like this very short, compressed thing.

1124
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:59,439
Speaker 1: But like that's almost three hundred years before it comes

1125
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: it comes along. Yeah, that's a that's a lot of time.

1126
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: That's a lot of time, especially in that they were

1127
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: talking about Christopher Columbus the same way we are. Yeah,

1128
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean the difference free three five years. I mean

1129
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, yeah, it's a complicated history and and

1130
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: it it is intimidating to do a series like this because, um,

1131
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to say that this is

1132
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: at all inclusive, that this podcast is going to cover

1133
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 1: everything about which comes to life. That'd be impossible, but man,

1134
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to have as much as it it can

1135
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: that makes sense of the time, and to me, like

1136
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: the revelations that I have about these things as I

1137
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 1: study them is what I put on the podcast, and

1138
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: I thought it was a powerful metaphor the soccer game.

1139
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: It's great. It would be like trying to describe what

1140
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: it would be like for the Native Americans and and

1141
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: with an understanding of their understand ending of of private landownership,

1142
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: which I'm fascinated with. I own piece of land that's

1143
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: not here, small piece of land, and when I go there,

1144
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: that's not where I live, another little property. When I

1145
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 1: go there, can you drop me a pen? Negative? I'm

1146
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't own this place. This is ridiculous,

1147
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: this is this is a joke. I don't own this place. Yeah,

1148
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: I've got the right to be here, nobody else does.

1149
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 1: I don't own this place for real. Feel like that.

1150
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: When I'm standing there, I'm like, this is not this

1151
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: is this is a very abstract, weird feeling. Identify with

1152
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: those guys, But okay, soccer game. When you understand that

1153
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: a the Native American a lot of the tribes, that

1154
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: their connection to their gods and the spiritual world is

1155
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: very site specific, super good, intel understand their culture, and

1156
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: then for a group to come in that had private

1157
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: land ownership worldview and understanding, it would be like a

1158
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: soccer game forming in your yard around you, and the

1159
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: rules of the game violate your worldview. You don't understand them,

1160
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,759
Speaker 1: you don't know them, but you're in them. You find

1161
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: yourself in the middle of the game, and whoever wins

1162
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: gets the land. Just like flesh this out a little

1163
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: bit further on my point number two, I feel like

1164
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: the rules of the game are additionally convoluted by the

1165
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: fact that the opponent is telling you the rules, changing them.

1166
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: You can pick up the ball. Whistle number two is

1167
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: just way too long. And she just said that we'd

1168
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: all got it, and then they cheated at the soccer game.

1169
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: We all know what you meant. Additionally, you're not really

1170
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: aware that you're going to lose your house at the

1171
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: beginning of the game. It just slowly unfolds that, like,

1172
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: hold up and we're just gonna play for fun. Somebody

1173
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: just moved to back. They're going to give you somewhere else,

1174
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: but you gotta walk there. The most amazing thing to

1175
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: me is what James said, We've got a hero that

1176
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: lost that's just uncalled for and doesn't happen. It doesn't happen,

1177
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean, but I bet, But I think history is

1178
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: probably full of that. Oh that's the thing is history

1179
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: is literate with these people that have done amazing things,

1180
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: but they just didn't win. And whoever one gets to

1181
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: write the history right absolutely and and the yeah, the

1182
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: just don't always win. I mean they don't they don't win. Um.

1183
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: I thought the other thing if I was if I

1184
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: had been asked, why don't you ask me? Did you

1185
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: got to make the podcast? What you asked me? What

1186
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: did you think? What did you what was your favorite

1187
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: part with thanks for asking? That's great to me. One

1188
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 1: of the most interesting parts was about the influence of

1189
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:07,719
Speaker 1: Native American culture on early American identity. I think that's

1190
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: way underrated. And I'll walk you even more through what

1191
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: I said on the podcast, so the the and I

1192
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:20,719
Speaker 1: hope it made sense. I think the difference between Europeans today,

1193
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: like you just go get a random sampling of a

1194
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: guy from Europe and you put him with a random

1195
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: guy from I don't know, just a state in this country,

1196
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,799
Speaker 1: and it would help if that guy was somehow connected

1197
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: to the land in a way, not somebody from urban America.

1198
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: I think the difference between those guys, which would be

1199
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: a vast difference if you could really trace it back

1200
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: if you could do a ancestry and me dot com

1201
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: with culture and figure out kind of where they came from.

1202
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: I think the difference is the Native American influence that

1203
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: impacts us to this day. Because when you think, because

1204
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 1: the Daniel Boone was the first real American non governmental hero,

1205
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: America's first heroes were like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson

1206
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: and these kind of guys. The only guy's written more

1207
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: about than Boone are those two in American history, American literature,

1208
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: the only two guys written more about and boot So

1209
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: Boone in a philosophical level, taught us how to be

1210
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 1: an American. He was an archetype. And Daniel Boone was

1211
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: tried for treason Josh because they thought he was an Indian.

1212
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,799
Speaker 1: He he he went and lived with them, became adopted

1213
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: with them, new new um, the Shawnee language, knew how

1214
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: to trade. He would come back and they wouldn't trust him, like, dude,

1215
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: you can't trust that guy. He's been with, you know,

1216
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: these domestic terrorists. And he was so influenced by the

1217
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: Native American and all these frontiersmen were I mean, they

1218
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: taught us how to live in this place. I think

1219
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: that's fascinating. I thought racin and uh uh point of

1220
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 1: order real quick. Uh my dad, who is wonderful and

1221
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: listens to the podcast religiously. Chris Neil called on the

1222
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: way down here and said, Chris, he said, is Clay

1223
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: sure that all of his descendants are quite Europeans? I said,

1224
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: most of them? You're a descendants. You did say that.

1225
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 1: I paid attention. Yeah, to be very sure about this.

1226
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: Actually you should be extremely sure. I didn't get it

1227
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: the first time he said it. He caught it. I

1228
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: caught it. I don't. Are you sure all of your

1229
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: miscendants are all your descendants? I listened to the podcast

1230
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 1: twice yesterday, missed it and missed it when he first said, yeah,

1231
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: I love it. It's like being on LinkedIn. But when

1232
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: you're on LinkedIn you make a grammatical air your hammer

1233
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: on Instagram, they'll let it slide. Instagram doesn't even let

1234
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 1: you edit some of your things to fix those grammatical

1235
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: or tell Chris, I'm sorry I did. I was listen

1236
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: the Meat Eater podcast with what they do the game

1237
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: the Game show one, and Spencer new Heart said pronunciation.

1238
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: He did, Oh, no, it's viral. It's spreading yesterday pronunciation.

1239
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: He did. He did. He said it in the podcast,

1240
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: and when I was listening to it, I paused and said,

1241
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: is that how do you say that? Surely that can't

1242
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: be right, your total influencer. Well, well, so what's coming

1243
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: up on episode number two? Clay second half of it

1244
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: comes to his life Okay, second half of his life.

1245
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 1: So we really haven't even got into the to what

1246
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: he he did, which is he was highly involved in

1247
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: the War of eighteen twelve, sided with the British. Okay,

1248
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: so he's totally totally in with the British. So now

1249
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: a fascinating guy. And uh, we didn't even talk about

1250
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: him being a hunter. That was the main thing he

1251
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: was known as as a young man, was a great hunter.

1252
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, none of us picked up on that forty deer.

1253
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: It's funny, that's the part that Clay really questioned the

1254
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: whole story. I know something about hunting, but it's possible.

1255
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: But no, when I'm reading all these things, especially when

1256
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: there's a guy that far back, a lot of the

1257
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: questions I have for some of these historians, and I've

1258
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: learned a lot from Robert Morrigan and from some of

1259
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: these other guys, it's like, how do we know that?

1260
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: How do we know he did that? Because I mean,

1261
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 1: I I hope he did that, but I want to

1262
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: know how. And a lot of them when they come

1263
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: from multiple verses, that's good. But some things are just

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01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: like you trace it back and you'd be like, yeah,

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01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,679
Speaker 1: somebody wrote that in their journal and they never even

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01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: met the guy. Yeah. And I think that that even

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01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 1: if it was half that, if it was a tenth

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01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: of that, you would be a great hunter. Like if

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01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: I killed four days four deer in three days, somebody

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01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: would be like, dude, that Isaac guy knows how to

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01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: he's getting it done. Yeah, So I think the point stands. Yeah,

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01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: and he was. He was known as a great hunter

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01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 1: in the in the Shawnee Nation, and that was a

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01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: major deal for them. That was like that was being

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01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 1: that was like being a NBA athlete. Speaking of hunting,

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01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: What's coming up on March four, Black Bear Bonanza nine

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01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: am to five pm at the Benton County Quail Barn

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01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: in Bentonville, Arkansas. YEP. Get your tickets ten dollars each.

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Speaker 1: The website back Country hunters dot org. Go to the

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01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: events page if you have if you have a protest

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01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,879
Speaker 1: you want to launch, you might try that. An audio

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01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 1: based protest. You might try that during the Bear Grease

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01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: render recording. What do you mean. I'm just I'm just

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01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: trying to incentivize some people to come out that might

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01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 1: not Oh, I think they might start like chanting, could

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01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:21,839
Speaker 1: be talk. I was thinking, if you have an olhood,

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01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: you should be practicing, and it doesn't matter where you're

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01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: I think we're going to get to the point where

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01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 1: we're going to have to have like qualifying role. We

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01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: might because it would be if it was like an

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01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 1: hour and a half of people getting up there now hooting,

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01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: you'd get tired of it. But you have to have

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01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: how many competitors did you have last year? I mean,

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01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 1: like probably forty. I think I think we had about

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01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: forty people. It was a lot in Arkansas. We're good.

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01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that. I'm not saying they were

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01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: all from Arkansas, but we've been to other places. But

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01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: you do get that, you do get the guys that

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01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 1: probably have never out hooded much. They just want to

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01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 1: get up there and have a fun time, which is cool. Ye,

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01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: what are the chances of me doing all right with

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01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 1: a trench coat and a real owl. Man, if I

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01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: get up there with an owl under your trench coat

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01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: and make it hoot, I say, let him go. Mm hmm.

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01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: That's yeah. Bonus points, bonus points for execution, right, yeah,

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01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: will be there, so just where. That's what you bar

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01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: dowl y. I wish I had a bar dol. I

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01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: know you do, I know you do. Well, Hey, this

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01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: has been great, this has been great. This is uh,

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01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: this is a long this is a long time coming

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01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: for me. I've been planning this for a long time.

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Speaker 1: It's come, so it's true. Yeah, yeah, all right, good