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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. She's brilliant, she's beautiful, she's

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Speaker 1: a mom, beautiful, home the works. She goes missing. In

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Speaker 1: the last hours, we learn about a bombshell's statement from

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Speaker 1: the husband of missing mom, Suzanne Morphew. But what if anything,

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Speaker 1: does it mean? I Meancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and Sirius XM one eleven. We all recall when this

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Speaker 1: mom just precious, she's about that big, goes out biking,

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Speaker 1: or so we're told on Mother's Day. Now, you know

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Speaker 1: what if my husband did give me a card or something,

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Speaker 1: just bring me a cup of hot tea anything that

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Speaker 1: would actually hurt my feelings, but hey, that's just me anyway.

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Speaker 1: According to sources, she's out all by herself while her

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Speaker 1: When they try to call her, she doesn't answer. That's

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Speaker 1: not like mom. So let's take it from the top

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Speaker 1: before we get to the new Bombshelle. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to this our friends at CBS four and she went

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Speaker 1: biking on Sunday. They're in the mountains about twenty miles

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Speaker 1: from her. Tell us what you do know, Alan, I'm

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Speaker 1: willing to confirm that the bike was found on Sunday evening.

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Speaker 1: The bike was found on Suda Sunday evening, the night

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Speaker 1: that she disappears, and for more information on the bike.

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Speaker 1: For his condition, I would encourage you and everyone else

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Speaker 1: to be disconcerting to know the bike has found. Sheriff

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Speaker 1: be aware that there is a potential den Trevor that

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Speaker 1: she might be somewhere well out of the county for

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Speaker 1: all we know, which is why we need to make

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Speaker 1: sure that we're aware of the situation. Okay, let me

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Speaker 1: introduce my panel, because the first person I want to

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Speaker 1: go to is Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case

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Speaker 1: Research Institute and crime scene expert. In that we had

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Speaker 1: us today. Cheryl McCollum, I don't get it. I'm not

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Speaker 1: knocking the nephew since he's the only one really speaking

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Speaker 1: he says, Uh, I'm willing to confirm her bike was found.

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Speaker 1: Why so close to the vest? Why are we playing

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Speaker 1: a high and seek with the evidence. Give me some

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Speaker 1: evidence so I can help in the search. What's the deal? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and Nancy, here's the thing they keep mentioning animals. Most

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Speaker 1: people that live in a mountainous area like Colorado or

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Speaker 1: they know that that carcass, for lack of a better word,

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Speaker 1: So if this had been an animal attack, she would

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Speaker 1: have been near that bicycle and that must be where

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Speaker 1: the sheriff was saying at the get go, I don't

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Speaker 1: think this is an animal attack. In the last hours,

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Speaker 1: a bombshell occurrence, a bombshell statement from the husband. But

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Speaker 1: let me introduce my guests. Attorney joining me out of

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Speaker 1: la Doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatri's chief Psychiatry, Memorial Regional

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Speaker 1: Healthcare and Professor Yale University School of Medicine. You can

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Speaker 1: find them on Insta, doctor Daniel Bober, Cheryl McCullum. As

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Speaker 1: you know well, Laurence Sharf joining me. They're on the

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Speaker 1: scene Fox twenty one, Colorado Springs. She spoke with the

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Speaker 1: why we need Dan Ribecoff, polygraph expert and author of

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Speaker 1: I Spy, How to Be Your Own Investigator. I love

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Speaker 1: this book I Spy. I just hope my children don't

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Speaker 1: get ahold of it at www dot Dan Ribecoff dot com.

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Speaker 1: And Tyson Draper from the Draper Brothers YouTube channel, who

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Speaker 1: secretly recorded Barry Moorephew at the location where Suzanne's more

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Speaker 1: she's beloved member of her family and the sweetest person

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Speaker 1: back to what Cheryl McCollum was saying earlier that an

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Speaker 1: the few he's speaking out? Where's the husband? Well, if

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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney telling him don't talk. His wife is missing,

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Speaker 1: there's not a trace anywhere of that happening. He provided

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Speaker 1: that as a plausible, factual scenario, Nancy. But he knows

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Speaker 1: that based on lots of similar cases like this, the

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Speaker 1: him that thirty He gave thirty hours of testimony to

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Speaker 1: And you know what, doctor Daniel Biber, you know what

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Speaker 1: if my husband went missing, and yes we got you know,

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Speaker 1: search for forty nine year olds Shusanne Morphew, the Chiefee

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Speaker 1: with promising news. We've brought on a lot of extra

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Speaker 1: know He told me that there's not one ounce of

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Speaker 1: what he had to say is there's no evidence against me.

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Speaker 1: You can't prove it. What about where is my wife?

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Speaker 1: I mean living hell, Well, what about that? Was there

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Speaker 1: like that. Now, that means absolutely nothing because he passed

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Speaker 1: Dan Ribicoff, A certainly unusual affect can be a sign

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Speaker 1: security camera sign, we would stop and we would kind

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Speaker 1: of investigate. And there's one that's probably about fifty yards

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Speaker 1: from where the bike was discovered, but it's you can't

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Speaker 1: see it because you come around this hairpin turn on

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Speaker 1: that bridge. There's a little bridge there and you come

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Speaker 1: around and so it's just the first area where some

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Speaker 1: of it would dump a bike that is just outside

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Speaker 1: of security surveillance. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about the disappearance of Suzanne Moorephew, and we're learning

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Speaker 1: in a bombshell reveal from the husband more information. So

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Speaker 1: was there video surveillance to either Laurence Sharf or Tyson

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Speaker 1: Draper of her going on a bike ride at all?

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Speaker 1: That day, Lauren, Nancy, no one has said that or

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Speaker 1: saw that she was on a bike ride, and that

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Speaker 1: we have not seen any surveillance videos. So, Tyson Draper,

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Speaker 1: how can that be if this is surveilled by let

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Speaker 1: me just say, home security cameras that catch people going

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Speaker 1: by on the road. Let's just go with that is

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Speaker 1: a surveillance video. You're saying that this turn where a

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Speaker 1: bike was found was the first spot where there was

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Speaker 1: no video surveillance, So that means there should have been

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Speaker 1: video surveillance of her going on the bike ride, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what I questioned the first time I went

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Speaker 1: out there. I've been out there a couple of different

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Speaker 1: times now, Nancy. But the first time I was there,

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Speaker 1: it was three weeks after Mother's Day, and so it

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Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't that long there. A lot of time

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Speaker 1: hadn't gone by, and so I was wondering about the

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Speaker 1: security cameras that were by the morph home because they

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Speaker 1: had blocked off I don't know if it was Barry

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Speaker 1: or the CBI or who had blocked off poom A

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Speaker 1: path with barricades and they wouldn't let you through there

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Speaker 1: to Barry's house and so there was a backway that

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Speaker 1: went that somebody just made with the tractor or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and right there by this homemade road there was there

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Speaker 1: was signs that said do not enter. You know, security surveillance,

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Speaker 1: this and that, and everything that I've been able to

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Speaker 1: uncover so far about the more fus video surveillance is

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Speaker 1: that they had it on the house. They have it

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Speaker 1: on the property, but it was off or down or

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Speaker 1: something that day on Mother's Day, that day only Tyson.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was told, and I can't I can't

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Speaker 1: verify that one hundred percent. But I have talked to

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Speaker 1: people that were very close to the situation and they

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Speaker 1: said that they were wondering what happened to the footage,

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Speaker 1: and they said that the cameras were down that day

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason. To ur Sharf has his location, the

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Speaker 1: husband's been confirmed. Barry told me he was actually at

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Speaker 1: a job site for his lawn care company for his

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Speaker 1: construction company, and I asked him if there was anyone

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Speaker 1: with him, and he said no, they were coming at

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Speaker 1: the date afterwards. Why did he have to go on

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Speaker 1: Mother's Day? Good question? Why did you have to spend

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Speaker 1: the night? Good question? Okay, I want to point out

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Speaker 1: in Troy Slayton, you can back me up on this.

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Speaker 1: This guy, Barry Mooreph, you the husband. He's not a suspect.

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Speaker 1: He's not been named a person of interest. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at him because statistically, you always look at lover, boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: husband x always, that's where you start, because statistically they're

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Speaker 1: more likely to have a reason or a desire to

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Speaker 1: get rid of a spouse. That doesn't mean Barry Mooreph,

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Speaker 1: you had anything to do with this, that's true, but

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Speaker 1: you don't have to be named publicly a suspect. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to be named publicly a person of interest.

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Speaker 1: But he absolutely is. You know, Nancy and Cheryl McCallum,

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Speaker 1: the forensic expert knows that they're looking at everything forensically

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Speaker 1: relating to him. And you can understand why he's so

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Speaker 1: suspicious of the investigators in this case because his friend

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Speaker 1: was there when they were discovering the bike, and he

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Speaker 1: feels that the law enforcement, that the Sheriff's department, completely

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Speaker 1: botched the investigation by obliterating some of the evidence. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about what Barry Moorephew is saying, as Troy Slayton

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Speaker 1: is accurately pointing out, no, he hasn't been named a suspect,

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Speaker 1: but he probably feels like a suspect because of course

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Speaker 1: cops are looking at him, because that's spaced interoperating for sature.

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Speaker 1: Here's the reality. Let's say somebody kidnapped her. How lucky

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Speaker 1: is that person that the day they choose to kidnap

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Speaker 1: this woman his Mother's day, and her two adult children

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Speaker 1: aren't there, and her husband, as loving as he is,

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Speaker 1: is not there, and the cameras where she chooses to

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Speaker 1: go ride are not working, and he is. The husband's

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Speaker 1: not calling her, not saying hey, honey, what do you

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Speaker 1: want to do on Mother's Day? I'm coming home as

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Speaker 1: quick as I can. No, he first says he's at

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Speaker 1: a training, then he changes that he's not at a

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Speaker 1: firefighter training in Denver, He's at a job site. So

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Speaker 1: he's changing it so for somebody that knows law enforcement

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Speaker 1: is probably going to be looking at him. He has

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Speaker 1: done everything to make himself more and more suspicious. He

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Speaker 1: can take a private polygraph, He can say, hey, you

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Speaker 1: know what, come, you don't even have to get a warrant.

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Speaker 1: Come and look at my house, Take my truck, take

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Speaker 1: my bobcat I did not hurt her. He hasn't done that.

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Speaker 1: Here he's saying police have botched it. They've obliterated stuff,

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Speaker 1: a cat drugger up a hill. He's told us everything

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Speaker 1: that makes him more and more suspicious. Dan Ribbecoff, polygraph expert,

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Speaker 1: author of I Spy How to Be Your Own Investigator

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Speaker 1: at Dan Ribbekoff dot com. Dan, how hard is it

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Speaker 1: to get a private polly? I bet you do one. Sure,

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I'd be glad to polygraph him. Very easy

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Speaker 1: to get a polygraph. He may have taken a polygraph

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Speaker 1: test with his attorney and the results may not have

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Speaker 1: been what they wanted him to be. He may have failed,

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Speaker 1: or he may have gotten an inconclusive and they may

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Speaker 1: not turn that over because that would be privileged with

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Speaker 1: his attorney. But you know, what's being said here leads

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Speaker 1: me to say that a person who is innocent would

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Speaker 1: generally be very cooperative. Here, you have blamed shift. He's

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Speaker 1: blaming the police for botching it. He's blaming an animal

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Speaker 1: for kidnapping his wife. And incredibility assessments we say, if

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense, it's generally not true. And that's

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Speaker 1: what's adding up here. What Barry is doing is certainly

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Speaker 1: making him a suspect. What is a critical analysis test?

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Speaker 1: Dan Rabicoff. Critical analysis test can have several meanings, depends

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Speaker 1: on what the agency is utilizing, but usually it would

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Speaker 1: be a forensic type of interview where they would conduct

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Speaker 1: a structured interview with the subject and score it like

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Speaker 1: a polygraph. We use a method called FAINT, which is

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Speaker 1: Forensic Assessment Interview test where I would interview you, ask

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Speaker 1: you questions, and then score it plus minus plus one

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Speaker 1: plus two zero and that's almost like a polygraph. With

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Speaker 1: my eyes and ears, Tyson Draper or the Draper Brothers

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel, I understand that your recorder interaction with the husband,

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Speaker 1: Barry Morphew during that moreph you notice that you are

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Speaker 1: recording him with a GoPro and asked him to ask

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Speaker 1: you to stop. Why did he not want to be recorded? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's a million dollar question right there. That's the one

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Speaker 1: that I can I cannot answer, Nancy. I um, he

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Speaker 1: did mention that, he said, would you mind turning that off?

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Speaker 1: Because we've we've been troubled and we've been bothered by

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Speaker 1: the media, and we don't want we don't want any

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Speaker 1: media whatsoever. And so that was that was coming from

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Speaker 1: right directly from Barry Tyson. Dry for any evidence he's

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Speaker 1: got a girlfriend, um that I don't know. I've just

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00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: heard rumors, um and I don't I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: would not be the best person to ask on that.

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Speaker 1: Does he have a girlfriend? Nancy? He told me he's

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Speaker 1: never dated anyone else besides Suzanne, you know, and they've

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Speaker 1: been together for thirty two years. I still don't know

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Speaker 1: why he had to have a hotel room on a

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Speaker 1: Mother's day to to look at a job site. It's

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Speaker 1: is it an hour and a half away to Denver

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Speaker 1: from there? Lauren? No, it's more it's more like, uh

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Speaker 1: close to three hours or three hours same, you know,

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Speaker 1: six to one half dozen the other I would still

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Speaker 1: get home for Father's Day, you darn right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: but that's me. Maybe it was okay with him, Maybe

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Speaker 1: they were going to get together that night and celebrate.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's a lot of reasons he wasn't there during

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Speaker 1: the day. One last question to Tyson. Draper again explained

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Speaker 1: to me his demeanor and if you could tell me

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Speaker 1: um our mountain lions prevalent in the area. Um, well,

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Speaker 1: his demeanor was I said it the night the night

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Speaker 1: after it happened. I said it, and I'll say it forever.

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Speaker 1: He was very nervous, and there was a there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of red flags. There were just things that

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Speaker 1: weren't sitting right with me, um, you know. And that's

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Speaker 1: that's where I'm at with it. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: red flags. You can go back and watch the video

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Speaker 1: and pick it apart, um, but his demeanor was very nervous,

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Speaker 1: like he was hiding something. And you look at her brother,

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Speaker 1: Andy Morman. He's coming out and he's saying, I don't

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Speaker 1: care about anything else other than finding my little sister.

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Speaker 1: And that's, in my opinion, that's the way Barry should

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Speaker 1: be acting like, no matter what it takes, let's just

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Speaker 1: find Susanne. I don't care if media is here, I

589
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: don't care about X, Y and Z. Let's just find

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Speaker 1: my wife. And I just don't see that same attitude

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Speaker 1: with Barry did I do with her brother. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go through and watch the entire her brother's YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel video of morphew. But yes, you said that there

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Speaker 1: were red flags, Yes, please do. The day I was there,

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Speaker 1: it was three weeks after Mother's Day, and he told

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Speaker 1: me that day that he was up there preparing a

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Speaker 1: job site, that he was getting his workers all put together.

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Speaker 1: There was something that they had that went wrong with

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Speaker 1: a job and they were up there to fix it.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't normally work on Sundays, especially on Mother's Day,

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Speaker 1: but this was a special case where they had to

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Speaker 1: go fix this job or something again. Is the tipline

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Speaker 1: seven one nine three one two seven five three zero,

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Speaker 1: Please help find Susanne Morphew Nancy Grace Crimes story, signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,