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Speaker 1: The interception, the latest news and notes from the insiders

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Speaker 1: who cover the team.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown Kyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was nasty right there?

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Speaker 2: Rights slam the ground by Budda Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 4: I scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 4: All right, maybe we'll start with the show of hands.

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Speaker 4: At this late stage of the holiday season, who still

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Speaker 4: has to start their shopping start?

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Speaker 3: Wow, you haven't done anything. What's what's really sad, Paul

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Speaker 3: is I'll be honest, my kids are both grown, so

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Speaker 3: you shrink considerably what and how much you give them.

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Speaker 3: And we we've done some, but like there's still a

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Speaker 3: little bit left, and that's a problem for me in

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Speaker 3: terms of getting it done. But we at least started.

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Speaker 4: I'll take any and all value added suggestions at this point.

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Speaker 4: You know it's bad when during the TV time out

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Speaker 4: on Sunday and Carolina, I'm asking Jen Hale, Fox sideline reporter, Hey, Jen,

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Speaker 4: any suggestions for the wife?

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean, anyway, I was wondering where you

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Speaker 3: were going with any prost Jen Hale, something.

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Speaker 4: Like champagne problems around here. So let's see here, Danny,

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Speaker 4: a little assessment. Your weekend, I'm guessing was more notable

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Speaker 4: in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my weekend was was pretty great.

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Speaker 4: Let's just say it might have said thirty seven degrees

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Speaker 4: or whatever it was in the box score. Unlike Santa Clara,

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Speaker 4: it actually didn't feel that bad until the sun went down,

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Speaker 4: so then it was most definitely thirty seven degrees when

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Speaker 3: I was in the press box pot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so there you go. I'm just avoiding the real topic.

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Speaker 4: And that was a loss that ended up knocking the

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Speaker 4: Cardinals out of the playoffs. And if I'm seeing it correctly,

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Speaker 4: Saturday night in La the Rams can clinch a playoff spot.

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Speaker 3: They can Yeah, they can't clinch. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: they need any help.

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Speaker 4: From what I see, they do not because the tiebreakers

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Speaker 4: or strength of schedule, they win and they're in based

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Speaker 4: on their comparison now to Seattle.

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Speaker 3: So they clinched the division then, correct, Okay, that's what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. I would have paid closer attention had it.

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Speaker 3: You know, forget l another team, they clinch.

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Speaker 5: It even if Seattle beat Chicago.

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Speaker 4: Supposedly based on the tiebreaker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, see, the tie breakers are going to be.

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Speaker 4: Whatever. Forget about Seattle. And oh, by the way, the

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Speaker 4: Seahawks went three and six at home this year, just saying.

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Speaker 3: See that's what that was so crushing. It was close.

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Speaker 3: But the Vikings did exactly what everybody around here had hoped,

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Speaker 4: In fact, could you say, if there's one moment that

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Speaker 4: you want back from this season for the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 4: would it not be forget Carolina, how about nineteen six

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Speaker 4: you led at Minnesota late third quarter? To me, now

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Speaker 4: one moment, one stretch of one game that you regret

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Speaker 4: bring it home in the fourth quarter, right, Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 5: Well, the game at home the following week to the

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Speaker 3: Although unfortunately with that Seahawks game, it never really felt

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Speaker 4: And you know what, for everything that didn't happen in Carolina.

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Speaker 4: Even down twenty to three, you're thinking, all right, you

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Speaker 4: All of a sudden, it's twenty to seventeen at the

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Speaker 4: the moment in the game where I got seriously concerned

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Speaker 4: Until then, there's no question whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: If James Connor doesn't get hurt, Cardinals win, right. I

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Speaker 3: agree on that, I'll be honest, I've still felt when

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Speaker 3: they went for it on fourth and two at their

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Speaker 3: I Gannon said this after the game out how he felt.

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Speaker 3: I felt the exact same way. As soon as I

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Speaker 3: they're gonna go right down and get the field goal. Now.

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Speaker 3: That was the that's the ball game right there, that

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Speaker 3: Panthers couldn't stop them, had the ball first and overtime,

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Speaker 3: They got no chance.

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Speaker 4: Now, But I guess that's probably where I diverge from you.

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Speaker 4: What told you or what in your guts said, you

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Speaker 4: know what, they're going to finish this drive? What told

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Speaker 4: you they could sustain a drive at that point? Why

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Speaker 3: Because all they needed was a field goal. They had

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Speaker 3: They just had a what could have been a soul

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Speaker 3: but go kick the field goal. I just I felt

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Speaker 3: like the Panthers had blown it. Did you see Did

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Speaker 3: Chad Ryland's field goal and then the TV he's caught

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Speaker 3: Oh? Bryce Young looked defeated when Ryland's field goal went

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Speaker 3: one of those games where you you think you could lose.

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Speaker 3: Connor goes out. Should have been over, should have been

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Speaker 3: over after the interception. Yep.

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Speaker 4: Look in terms of you know that locker room in

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Speaker 4: tried to explain what didn't happen to start the game.

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Speaker 4: I still don't have an explanation.

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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody does.

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Speaker 4: And I mean, for everything that was hard to swallow

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Speaker 4: the game. To me, that's hard to figure. It's hard

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Speaker 3: Well, especially when you hear Marvin Harrison say, usually I

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Speaker 3: get a warning if I'm offside, and I checked with

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Speaker 3: go back and look, it's like was he offside? And

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Speaker 3: then the roughing the passer on Xavier Thomas give and take. Now,

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Speaker 3: I will say this, there were some other stuff they

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Speaker 3: I mean they were doing. They just were like it

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Speaker 3: was like they're not paying attention. You can't have a

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Speaker 3: deep and more importantly, like really big picture with everything.

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Speaker 3: And I know at some point we'll talk about Kyler

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Speaker 3: wants to talk about. The defense up thirty six points

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Speaker 3: in two hundred and what sixty yards rushing or whatever

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Speaker 3: it was. You can't your offense for all the things

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Speaker 3: we might want to pick at score thirty points.

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Speaker 4: And Danny, we talked about this going into the game

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Speaker 4: last week. Did we know would say, Okay, there's the

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Speaker 4: risk of looking at three win Carolina much like you

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Speaker 4: looked at three win New England. But the big difference

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Speaker 4: is that Carolina offensive line. New England's offensive line was

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Speaker 4: a disaster with a bunch of rookies and backups. Carolina's

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Speaker 4: offensive line, especially the interior offensive line, is legit, with

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Speaker 4: a guard by the name of Rob Hunt who they

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Speaker 4: kept running behind the right guard who's getting paid twenty

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Speaker 4: and he's had a really good season.

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Speaker 5: It was sloppy. I was not in Carolina with you both.

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Speaker 5: I did not make the trip this week, but rewatching

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Speaker 5: the game was sloppy and mentally they did not seem

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Speaker 5: on the same page. And that's frustrating me because we

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Speaker 5: had the same conversation when the team's mode of play

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Speaker 5: was called out after a turning point game against Seattle

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Speaker 5: that the Cardinals lost. You were fighting for your life.

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Speaker 5: They knew going into that game. If you lose, you

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Speaker 5: are eliminated from the playoffs. The offense had a ton

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Speaker 5: of miscommunication with its quarterback and its wide receiver. You

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Speaker 5: had the missed handoff. There were penalties on offense, multiple

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Speaker 5: penalties on special teams, overtime, there was a delay of

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Speaker 5: was clean. Quarterback Kyler Murray looked very stressed under duress.

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Speaker 5: And there's more times than not when he is under

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Speaker 5: making smart decisions. I did not think he was making

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Speaker 5: good decisions when he was under pressure. And you look

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Speaker 5: and it wasn't anything fancy.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: The running backs for Carolina were not making these big moves.

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Speaker 5: They weren't going outside the tackles. They were just running

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Speaker 5: right through the gut of this Cardinals defense, which for

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Speaker 5: the most part has been good against the run. They

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Speaker 5: could not do anything to to stop Carolina's rushing attack.

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Speaker 4: For everything about that very first flag of the game

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Speaker 4: on the flea flicker right, and Marvin Arrison Junior supposedly

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Speaker 4: Kyler Sindy wasn't even off sides, you know, all told

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Speaker 4: the thing. There were seven more flags right after it, Yes,

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Speaker 4: by early second quarter, so something was the.

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Speaker 3: First play of the second quarter, So first quarter plus

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Speaker 3: one play and you had eight penalties.

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Speaker 4: So here's my theory. Half serious, half jack assery. But

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Speaker 3: Please clip that.

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Speaker 4: Did the players sit around and watch the college football

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Speaker 4: playoffs on Saturday and see how non competitive SMU was

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Speaker 4: Dame and think, oh, yeah, it's going to be the

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Speaker 4: same thing when we play three win Carolina. Because that

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Speaker 4: ain't the way it works in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Everybody has insisted before and after the game that's not

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Speaker 4: All right, I take that back then, I just I mean.

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Speaker 3: I again, I can only take them for their word.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we haven't had this in a long time.

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Speaker 3: But was it the was it the late the early start?

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Speaker 4: So once again we get back to the downfield passing attack, right,

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Speaker 4: You have to make that defense pay.

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Speaker 5: The math would tell you that would make sense, Paul,

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Speaker 5: When Murray scrambles, it seems like nobody knows where to go,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I get it when when Christian Gonzalz breaks

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Speaker 4: You can't rep that in practice, right, You're not going

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if there's one thing, one box to check over

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Speaker 5: Chemistry getting close to that. He had eight targets in

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Speaker 3: whether it's money or draft picks or loss of this

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Speaker 4: Well, here's theilling you can't do. You can't replicate a

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Speaker 5: To a certain extent. I do still believe big picture

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Speaker 5: It's taking longer than expected for a fourth overall pick

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Speaker 5: it was early on in the season.

438
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Speaker 3: People getting get mad over what his rookie season's been

439
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Speaker 3: or what it could have been or whatever. Just don't

440
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Speaker 3: miss me with the bust stuff like you want to

441
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Speaker 3: talk to me in a couple of years. We could

442
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Speaker 3: talk in a couple of years, but come on, like,

443
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Speaker 3: please stop.

444
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Speaker 4: Bust is like John Ross getting taken seventh overall and

445
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Speaker 4: John that's bust territory.

446
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Speaker 3: Yes, but we knew that. To me, we knew that

447
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Speaker 3: after the fact. You might have had some hints early,

448
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Speaker 3: but if you would have told me John Ross was

449
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Speaker 3: a bust before his rookie season was over, I would

450
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Speaker 3: have been like, miss me with that, Like, I don't

451
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 3: want to hear it now. Everybody's gonna parade around if

452
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 3: it turned out that way, and this happens with any player.

453
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Speaker 3: Oh I told you early on? Yeah, okay, what about

454
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Speaker 3: the times when you told me this and you didn't

455
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 3: come back and bring that up again when you were wrong?

456
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Speaker 3: You know.

457
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Speaker 4: And beyond all that, I think John Ross didn't even

458
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 4: have seven touchdown catches his entire NFL career, Yeah, much

459
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 4: less as rookie season. All Right, here's something intriguing. Jay

460
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 4: Feely has said on air more than once with the

461
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Speaker 4: Cardinals need to unlock Marvin Harrison Junior is a speed receiver,

462
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 4: is someone to take the top off. If the Cardinals could,

463
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Speaker 4: you know, go into the cold tub time machine back

464
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Speaker 4: to when they drafted John Brown in the third round,

465
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Speaker 4: mister four two eight and put that kind of receiver

466
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Speaker 4: out there. Do you think, because Marvin's not a burner

467
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Speaker 4: and maybe need some more room to operate underneath on

468
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 4: the first and second levels, do you get a guy

469
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Speaker 4: who can really stretch a defense to the third level.

470
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Speaker 4: I don't know, just speculation. How much? How far do

471
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Speaker 4: you think that would have gone this year if you

472
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Speaker 4: had that guy?

473
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Speaker 5: I love that idea. You have similar body types and

474
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Speaker 5: Harrison and Michael Wilson right now, I like I would

475
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Speaker 5: like to see Harrison get some more work across the middle.

476
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Speaker 5: You've got you've got a small receiver who's fast in

477
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Speaker 5: Greg Dort. However, he's not going to be your outside

478
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Speaker 5: deep threat. I love that idea of getting a speedy

479
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 5: receiver if it had worked out health wise and what

480
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Speaker 5: this team wanted, somebody like a Hollywood Brown you were

481
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Speaker 5: expecting when that trade was made to bring Brown to Arizona.

482
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Speaker 3: I like the idea of a speed receiver. I think

483
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Speaker 3: to even frame and it would help, It would help

484
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Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison, it would help Michael Wilson to frame it

485
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Speaker 3: anywhere close to that was that's what would unlock him.

486
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Speaker 3: I have an issue with it. I think there's some

487
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Speaker 3: of the things that need to improve.

488
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Speaker 4: I agree it would help, but I think it would

489
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Speaker 4: be like third or fourth on the list of what

490
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Speaker 4: is needed right here, right now.

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Speaker 3: And I would also say, do I think there's a

492
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Speaker 3: chance they would look for that speed receiver very much?

493
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Speaker 3: So there's a chance I would say that even if

494
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Speaker 3: they didn't find that guy for next year, there's still

495
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Speaker 3: a good chance Marvin Harrison can improve to the point

496
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Speaker 3: where you're like, oh, this guy is pretty damn good.

497
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Speaker 5: With reason, we're talking a lot on Harrison. However, the

498
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 5: struggles offensively, not just in Carolina a big picture this season.

499
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Speaker 5: They fall more than just on your rookie receiver and

500
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Speaker 5: even just on your quarterback. Just this offense as a

501
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 5: whole hasn't been consistent on a week to week basis.

502
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Speaker 5: Whether that's the run game, well, that's not true. The

503
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Speaker 5: run game has been consistent when you've had Connor. The

504
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 5: passing game hasn't been consistent. You haven't had games where

505
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Speaker 5: you were having great passing and rushing attacks at the

506
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Speaker 5: same time. Ball security has also been a surprise problem,

507
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 5: because that hasn't really lately yet. No, do you know

508
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 5: that there has not been a single game this season

509
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 5: in which the Cardinals haven't had an interception or a fumble. Now,

510
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 5: there's been three games where on a fumble they didn't

511
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 5: lose possession and they recovered it. There has not been

512
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Speaker 5: a single game the Cardinals have not put the ball

513
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Speaker 5: at risk at very least and at most turned the

514
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Speaker 5: ball over.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting. I did not quite realize that.

516
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the knowledge.

517
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Speaker 4: By the way, John Brown for extra points and wise

518
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 4: guy his alma mater? Where did John Brown go to college?

519
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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh?

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Speaker 5: Isn't it doesn't count. I didn't ask the question.

521
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 4: Paul Darren hasn't quite finished his answer.

522
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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh State.

523
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 4: Ah, there you go. How about that?

524
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Speaker 5: That's a college?

525
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

526
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kansas, Kansas.

527
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 5: The applause caught me off guard.

528
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: You know why it was nickname smoke? Right?

529
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Speaker 4: Didn't have to do with a speed, no.

530
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Speaker 3: Which I thought it did. And that went up one

531
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Speaker 3: day and I said, hey, John, I I said, I

532
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 3: think I know the answer, but I'm like, how did

533
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: you get the nickname smoke? He said, when I was

534
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: born and my grandmother said about a skin color, he

535
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 3: looks like smoke. I never knew that it literally no,

536
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: his own family gave it to him. But like I thought,

537
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: it had to do a speed and no.

538
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Speaker 4: Well, as long as we have some useless trivia knowledge,

539
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Speaker 4: I guess.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't one of the questions today, was it omo? Yeah,

541
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 3: just checking.

542
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 4: There's a finite amount of correct answers in Darren. So

543
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 4: that's our segue into wise Guy Trivia.

544
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: It's time for the wise Guy the world's bestest Growing

545
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: Cardinals quiz Show. The stakes are low, the winner gets

546
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. Here's your hostess with the mostess. Danny's a right.

547
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 5: Darren is up thirteen to two on Paul this season.

548
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 5: So Paul, let's end on a high note. Let's not

549
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 5: talk to start to build momentum.

550
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 4: You keep going the ghost of Christmas past. I'm all

551
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 4: about the ghost of Christmas present. Let's go well.

552
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: Speaking of the moment note, Danny picked up another game

553
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 3: on you, Paul and the Picks. She's now now just

554
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 3: six games behind you with two weeks to go. It's

555
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: closing in.

556
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 4: But in the BA and the BA humbug, here we go.

557
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: Let's let's start games I had of Paul.

558
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 5: Right now, Darren, would you like to I'm.

559
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 3: Gonna I'm gonna take the first question. I'm going one.

560
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: I'm going right out of the box. Number one. Here

561
00:27:59,359 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 3: we go.

562
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 5: This Cardinals draft picks start start for the Rams and

563
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 5: they're nineteen ninety nine NFC championship win over the Buccaneers.

564
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, what does Darren get to pick first?

565
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 4: By the way, is it because winners? Is that what

566
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 4: it is?

567
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: Well?

568
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 5: Is this your first week playing wise guy?

569
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 4: I mean, does this pick up basketball?

570
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 5: He's won thirteen times. Between thirteen times he has decided

571
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 5: to answer first, or give you the first question.

572
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: I will give you this, Paul.

573
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 4: I'm trying to distract. If this is trying to distract it, you're.

574
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: Really good because it sounds like you don't.

575
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 4: Try to throw. I'm trying to throw them off his game.

576
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 4: It's like a batter start. I'm stepping out of the

577
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: batter spots.

578
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 5: A little bit. I gotta trill you both back.

579
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 4: Here we go, let's go.

580
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: That's true hosts with the most This.

581
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 5: Cardinals draft pick start for the Rams and they're nineteen

582
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 5: ninety nine NFC Championship win over the Buccaneers. He had

583
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 5: six catches for one hundred yards, including the game winning

584
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 5: touchdown with four forty four to play.

585
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: Would that be Ricky Ticky Tavvy Proll?

586
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 5: That sure would be nineteen ninety third round pick out

587
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 5: of wake Forest.

588
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: Speaking of guys who could run, speaking to third round

589
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: receivers who could run, Ricky Poll he could, he could run, okay.

590
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: And then also his son made it into like the

591
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: early finals of American Idol. I just thought i'd mentioned

592
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: that because we thought that my wife and I were

593
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 3: watching it.

594
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 4: Paul Pick questions, There better not be any questions about

595
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: reality TV or I'm walking. I'm just telling you that

596
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: right now. Number two.

597
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I want to see that happen.

598
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 5: Okay, So it's not a sitcom.

599
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 4: You think you've seen, Paul protest, watch me walk out

600
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 4: that door.

601
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 5: But here we go, similar similar pace. Here. In nineteen

602
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 5: eighty five, the Chicago Bears dropped their hit song, the

603
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 5: Super Bowl Shuffle. Shortly thereafter, several Los Angeles Rams players,

604
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 5: including Eric Dickerson and Jackie Slater, countered with this cringe

605
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 5: worthy music video of their own.

606
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: Okay. This has been played on the pregame show for

607
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 4: many years because it Almo loves it, although not recently

608
00:29:59,160 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 4: ram it.

609
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 5: That is correct, It's excellent, excellent.

610
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 4: We're hanging in. We're hanging in. At halftime. One at halftime,

611
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: we're deadlocked. Here we go, Uh, what do we got?

612
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: Two and four?

613
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 5: Got three and four?

614
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: Three and four? We'll just go in order here.

615
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 5: The Rams currently play at SOFI Stadium. Name the four

616
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 5: previous venues they called home, dating back to nineteen ninety four,

617
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 5: the final year of their first hint in Los Angeles.

618
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 5: Hint the Rams used two venues in Saint Louis.

619
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Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna go with the Coliseum. In LA, We're

620
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Speaker 3: gonna go with the Edward Jones Dome, and then I

621
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: guess I'm gonna cross my fingers and go with Bush Stadium.

622
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Speaker 5: That's three you need four?

623
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Speaker 3: Oh, that's true, Uh Colisseum, Bush Stadium, Edward Jones Dome,

624
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: and uh.

625
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 5: Paul, the opportunity to steal the opportunity of a lifetime.

626
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: What else is actually in LA? I'm going to go

627
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 4: with that soccer stadium the Chargers played in for a

628
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 4: couple of years.

629
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Speaker 5: I don't know what that would have been called. The

630
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 5: answer you were both looking for is Anaheim Stadium.

631
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 4: Big, Oh my good damn it.

632
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 5: Well, here's the good news, Paul.

633
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're on the precipice.

634
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 4: Okay, here we go, you're on the press win. Here

635
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: we go. See if I can be like Chad Ryland

636
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 4: in the clutch come through. Here we go.

637
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 3: By the way, what might be tough for you that

638
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: fifty eight? I mean when I watched the replay, he

639
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: looked like he barely hit it, Like it took no

640
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 3: effort from him to drill it. That would have been

641
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: gone good from like sixty yards.

642
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 4: By the way, Kyler's pick was towards the same end zone, right,

643
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 4: there's a reason Kyler's ball fluttered into the air in

644
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 4: addition to trying to throw an absurd amount of length

645
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: while you're running straight out of bounds. I mean, that

646
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 4: was but then there was also wind coming out for him.

647
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 4: I'm standing outside, I'm like, Chad, I love you. But

648
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 4: there's oh my goodness, he made it because the wind

649
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: was coming in from that shot as well.

650
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: Big props to Chad. Sorry didn't mean to. I didn't

651
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: want to break your concentration. Paul.

652
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 5: Here we go, Paul, We're all rooting for you. Paul,

653
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 5: are you are you locked in? Are you ready?

654
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 4: No pressure, no presh In this moment, my two and

655
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: thirteen record just came to mind. So it's probably not

656
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: a good signal, but let's go. Let's go persevere.

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Speaker 5: On September fourteenth of this year, Sofi Stadium hosted a

658
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Speaker 5: concert featuring bands fronted by musicians Billy Joe Armstrong and

659
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 5: Billy Corgan. Name each front man's band. What does this

660
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 5: have to do with Internet Stadium.

661
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: Concert lit Snow? Oh my goodness, well one is Smashing Pumpkins.

662
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 4: What were the two names again, Billy Corgan.

663
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 5: And Billy Joe Armstrong.

664
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: Billy Joe Armstrong, Okay, sounds like a NASCAR driver. Let's

665
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 4: see here. Uh. Since I hate them with a passion

666
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 4: and I refuse to learn their names, the Red Hot

667
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 4: Chili Peppers because I know they're LA.

668
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: Not a bad guess, we're gonna go with Smashing Pumpkins

669
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: and Green Day.

670
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 5: Correct? But how do you know that?

671
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: How do I know what?

672
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 5: I would not know that?

673
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: I actually have a handful of Smashing Pumpkins and Green

674
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: Day songs on my phone right now?

675
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 5: How about that? Yeah, let's give them, let's give them

676
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 5: all a little a little grace here since we play

677
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 5: the Rams twice, so when getting creative for these questions,

678
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 5: I'm looking at Sofi Stadium.

679
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: I didn't get the Ram. Why do we get a tiebreaker.

680
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 5: Because you stole?

681
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: So he got the point, I got to right, and

682
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: he got one right, and there was.

683
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 5: Oh, you're right, Yep, you're right. Okay, Darren wins.

684
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 4: It's not Darren's role to make corrections on the fly

685
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 4: when there's when.

686
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 5: There's a maybe this is the weekend KND convince daring

687
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 5: to do a winner take all tiebreak when.

688
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: There's a mathematical error at the end that's going to

689
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: benefit my opponent.

690
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 5: To me, I am always rooting for you. I'm always

691
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 5: on the side.

692
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: Let's still winner take all tiebreak or what the hell?

693
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 4: Yeah?

694
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 5: Wow, all right, Darren's in the giving come true, Paul,

695
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 5: We marry Christmas? Everyone, here we go. Wow. I'm nervous

696
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 5: for this and his career. Kurt Warner was seven and

697
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 5: two against the Rams. How many touchdown passes did Warner

698
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 5: throw in those nine games?

699
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: Okay? Nine games touchdown passes? All right, here we go.

700
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 5: Hang on, Darren is still writing. Okay, he showed me

701
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 5: his answer, Paul, So what what's your guess?

702
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: Okay, and I have a little theorem here based on

703
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 4: how bad the RAMS defense was over those years and

704
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 4: how twenty four.

705
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 5: Twenty one, the correct answer is fifteen. So Darre, it was.

706
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: Fifteen.

707
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 3: It's funny. I was gonna say fifteen, and I'm like

708
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: that's too low, right?

709
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 4: What was so? Was he running the triple option? What

710
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 4: was to me?

711
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 5: Should we look maybe we should have a discussion where

712
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 5: next year, instead of winner gets absolutely nothing, we get

713
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 5: a trophy like the Pop Tart Bowl trophy.

714
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 4: You know that.

715
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 5: You know that that bowl went absolutely crazy and viral

716
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 5: last year with the pop Tart mascot and then you know,

717
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 5: he went, he disappeared and essentially was eaten. Did you

718
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 5: see the trophy for this year's Pop Tart Bowl. It

719
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 5: is a legitimate toaster in the trophy. It's incredible, So

720
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 5: you can pop a pop tart in the trophy.

721
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: See, this is this is what We have a boss,

722
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 3: his name is Surf, who's always talking about if you're

723
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: not always trying to improve, you're just getting worse. The

724
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: Pop Tart Bowl is all about always getting better. I mean,

725
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: I didn't think they could top what they did last year,

726
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: and now they're adding a toaster in there. By the way,

727
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 3: pop tarts are horribly underrated, and yet I know I

728
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 3: can't eat them very often.

729
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 5: What's your favorite flavor?

730
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: I would probably be either a frosted blueberry or brown

731
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: sugar cinnamon.

732
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 5: Oh, those are good. What about the strawberry? That's a classic.

733
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: It's classic, and certainly I wouldn't turn it down. But

734
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: I bet your Paul has never eaten a pop tart thing.

735
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 5: He's definitely never toasted one either.

736
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 4: First off, there is no next year of wise Guy Trivia,

737
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 4: just to let you know. And I'm coming all the

738
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 4: way back to the beginning. And and number two, this

739
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 4: should set off a craze of innovative trophies given out

740
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 4: in sports, like you know, that would be good, like

741
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 4: a like a trophy that doubles as a blender, you know,

742
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 4: I mean they are a different things. Makes sense, Like

743
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: how would a blender, I don't know, the Jack Daniels

744
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 4: Bowl or something like that. Right, there's some of these liquor.

745
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 5: Brands like an ice Loos or something.

746
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have like a mixed drink type deal.

747
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 5: You know, we need to stop giving the suggestions on

748
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 5: air because well, because someone could listen.

749
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: I mean, I will I embrace the pop Tar Bowl

750
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: because I like the pop Tarts. I can't handle the

751
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: Duke's Male Bowl because we don't need to talk about

752
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 3: exactly what happens there.

753
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 4: I think that's the downfall of Will Levice, would be

754
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 4: the whole Mayo.

755
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 5: Thing, right, Yeah, yeah, I guess if there were some

756
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 5: sort of smoothie bowl, the blender would work.

757
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 4: Sure, there you go, absolutely. I mean, years ago my

758
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 4: alma mater had the pleasure and privilege a plane in

759
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: the cheese It Bowl here locally downtown, so you know,

760
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 4: there's got just a I think the trophy was a

761
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 4: massive cheese it if I'm not sure, and very possible

762
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 4: could have been.

763
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, Now we could talk for a long time about

764
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 5: cheese at flavors that we liked.

765
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: I used to compare Larry Fitzgerald used to have a

766
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 4: diamond earring square. I used to compare to the size

767
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 4: of a cheetah to say to Larry, what's big? You

768
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 4: mean she's it? I mean, yeah, what was it bigger?

769
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 4: Was it that cheese it or that diamond ear ring?

770
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 4: That square? Diamond ears it?

771
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: Will because I've told them Mari stottameyer story on this.

772
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 4: It was real and it was spectacular, Darren.

773
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 3: I can't imagine Larry being so ostentatious.

774
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 4: Anyway. Okay, uh, let's see here. Any final thoughts on

775
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 4: We're going to get a thought on Buddha Baker speaking

776
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 4: of being able to afford diamond earrings.

777
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: That's how I said, we're disappointed that he decided to

778
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 3: agree to his contract like literally like three hours after

779
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 3: we finished taping last week.

780
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 4: It's true. Yeah, so all right, give me some thoughts,

781
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 4: give me some reaction.

782
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: I like the fact that this team is I mean,

783
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: when you looked at all the and they still have

784
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 3: a bunch of guys who contracts are up. But I

785
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: like how they was Davin Collins and yelled a Froholdt

786
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: and James Connor and Buddha Baker. They settled down some

787
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: very key decisions that they were going to have to

788
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: make going into the offseason, and and you have a

789
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: little bit more of a balance going into the offseason

790
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 3: in terms of what it's going to look like.

791
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 5: I love that you've got the foundation for consistency, the

792
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 5: heart and soul of the offense, and James Connor the

793
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 5: heart and soul of the defense and Buddha Baker have

794
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 5: now been locked up for the next few years. That

795
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 5: says that this front office likes the foundation that has

796
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 5: been set by those players and how it branches out

797
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 5: to those around them. I also like that this front

798
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 5: office is saying, if we think you're a key player

799
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 5: and you're going to have an important role in the

800
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 5: future of this team and helping us win, and you

801
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 5: don't have to test free agency because we know you

802
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 5: want you, We know that we want you here, They're

803
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 5: not going to let them test free agency now. On

804
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 5: the other side, that does say a lot about what

805
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 5: really is going on behind closed doors in the locker

806
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 5: room for Connor and Baker to not even want to

807
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 5: go and see what they could get in the market.

808
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 5: Now the agents they're working and they have an idea

809
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 5: to know that they're getting something comparable. The fact that

810
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 5: two of your star players knew they wanted to stay

811
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 5: here before the season ends says a lot about well,

812
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 5: the culture and what is really going on and the

813
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 5: fact that those players feel like they have a chance

814
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 5: to win here in Arizona.

815
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 4: The only thing I would add would be, and that's

816
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 4: all accurate, what you guys just said. But in addition

817
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: to that, it's what they do that most fans never see.

818
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 4: It's the impact they have in the locker room, impact

819
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: they have off the field, impact they have in particular

820
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: with young guys. As evidence over the last month, month

821
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 4: and a half, just another big red rage the way

822
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 4: guys rave about Buddha Baker. We've had Starling Thomas, We've

823
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 4: had Max Melt, We've had Rabbit Darius Robinson last week,

824
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 4: Darius Robinson on his own just talking about Buddha Baker

825
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 4: building in that comment maybe the best defensive player I've

826
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 4: ever seen, right, and how it's just so remarkable he does.

827
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 4: And he said, what people don't realize is Darius building

828
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: on it with more. Maybe he's going to be a

829
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 4: future analyst when he's done, I don't know. So what

830
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: people don't realize is how hard it is to bring

831
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 4: ball carriers down in the NFL, and he makes it

832
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: look so easy. Not only does he have all those tackles,

833
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 4: he does have very many miss Now he did have

834
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 4: one in Carolina, but that he was coming at at

835
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 4: a strange angle from a very distant place on the field.

836
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 4: He just Darius talks about how difficult is, especially when

837
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 4: he's far from the biggest guy on the field and

838
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 4: he's he's able to bring down these two hundred and

839
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: thirty pounds running backs like it's nothing.

840
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: I would also, you know, and I don't want to

841
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 3: go third rail here on this topic or on this subject,

842
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: especially of Buddha, but it is kind of amazing. I mean,

843
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: this dude asked for a trade last year. Now again,

844
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: they got that fixed up pretty well, and they got

845
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 3: it figured out with a new regime and all that stuff.

846
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: But the way he he he asked for a trade,

847
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: and yet it got worked out, and he never it

848
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: didn't get worked out the way he wanted it to

849
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: at the time, and yet he played at an incredibly

850
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: high level until they got to this contract. I look

851
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: back and look, Patrick Peterson had a fantastic career in Arizona,

852
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: but he asked for a trade and it never was

853
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: the same. It didn't feel like after that happened.

854
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 5: This shows that high level impact can be rewarded and

855
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 5: it has the possibility to have a trickle down effect

856
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 5: to a lot of other players. A lot of young

857
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 5: players in that locker room of being comfortable signing before

858
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 5: hitting free agency and testing the market if you feel

859
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 5: like this is the place for you when you are

860
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 5: feeling valued. And I think that this when you're looking

861
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 5: at Connor and Baker specifically getting contract extensions before this

862
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 5: season even ends, it has the real possibility to have

863
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 5: a really positive trickle down effective players wanting to play

864
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 5: hard in those contract years, wanting to play hard if,

865
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 5: for example, they had previously asked for a trade, and

866
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 5: that if you go out there and you really do

867
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 5: make an impact, you can get rewarded here.

868
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 4: When you have a top five youngest roster in the NFL,

869
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 4: all those guys are following James Connor and Buddha Baker,

870
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: it just enhances their value so far beyond the box

871
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 4: score that people don't quite realize just this significant impact

872
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 4: they're having in the entire locker roun.

873
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: And on a quick footnote with that, when we go

874
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: into this offseason and everybody speculating over what free agents

875
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: they might sign, especially if it's a high dollar free agent,

876
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: if that happens, we're not gonna know because we don't

877
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: know these guys, especially the ones that aren't here. But

878
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: you need to keep in mind, and we say it,

879
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 3: We've said it, a bunch of times, the player might

880
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: be really really good, and he might have really really

881
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: good statistics, and it might in a name feel like

882
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 3: that guy's perfect for what they're looking for, But you

883
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 3: don't know, and they're going to be doing their due diligence.

884
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: If they're going to spend money, they want it on

885
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: guys like Buddha Baker and James Connor. And if they

886
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: get some kind of intel somewhere along the way that

887
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: that guy that we're talking about, whoever it might be,

888
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: isn't that guy, they're not going to sign them. And

889
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: there might be times when the fans are left scratching

890
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: their heads like, why won't why aren't they chasing player X.

891
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: We're not gonna know for sure, but I would consider that.

892
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: And you know what, is that a possibility of why

893
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: they're not.

894
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: To reinforce and bolster that point go back to the

895
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 4: end of the preseason. There's a lot of speculation, you know,

896
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 4: all the Cardinals need to add a pass rusher. There

897
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 4: are some guys out there. Don't think the Cardinals didn't

898
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 4: do their homework. Yeah, there's a reason they didn't sign

899
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 4: the guys that are on the market, and there's a

900
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 4: reason those guys are on the market and a lot

901
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 4: of other teams didn't sign those guys. So to Darren's point,

902
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 4: and it is amazing we all know this. Interviewing all

903
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 4: these guys on different platforms, different shows, you can start

904
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 4: to see the similarities in mindset and the player and

905
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 4: the sort of person that they're targeting. Forget the player,

906
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 4: the sort of person they're targeting. And by the way,

907
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 4: you noticed during Buddhabaker's press conference he mentioned on Mike

908
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: that after he'd asked for the trade would have been

909
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 4: the timeline or so he'd never use the word trade,

910
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 4: but he said he went out to lunch with JG

911
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 4: and Manias and Fort and so that sounds like it

912
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 4: was instrumental. He wanted to know, Okay, what's the plan?

913
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 4: You know, he wanted to know, can I believe in

914
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 4: these guys? Do they have the abilities? On his fourth

915
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 4: coaching staff, of course, he might be a little skeptical,

916
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 4: right like, Okay, well, what exactly who exactly am I

917
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 4: going to be playing for and working for? So I

918
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 4: get it, sort of like the La Rams last question

919
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 4: week two till now do you even watch the film

920
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 4: from week two against that La Rams team. Is it

921
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 4: even the same team, Does it have any meaning or

922
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 4: application to this matchup whatsoever.

923
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 5: You're gonna go back and you're gonna watch it, but

924
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 5: you're gonna want to look and see what this Rams

925
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 5: team looks like now, because that's very different than Week two.

926
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 5: They're a lot more healthy, they're moving the chains a

927
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 5: lot better, they are more efficient. It seems. I can't

928
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 5: imagine that the dominating performance the Cardinals had against LA

929
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 5: and week two, and the things that worked against LA

930
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 5: both off defensively and defensively, are going to be the

931
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 5: exact same game plan to face them now in week seventeen.

932
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 4: For example, whatever coverage plan they used to against Marvin

933
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 4: Harrison Junior in Week two, I'm guessing they don't duplicate that.

934
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 4: This week.

935
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 5: The Rams were without Puka Akua. Cooper Cup left before half,

936
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 5: so the offensive line was pretty banged up. For LA,

937
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 5: things are going to look.

938
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 4: Different, no doubt, so a lot different.

939
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 5: Okay, did you guys see on on Instagram? Because I

940
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 5: doubt you did. It appears that defensive lineman that was

941
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 5: I don't know that it was Astray, I was, I was.

942
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 5: It was pretty clear where I was aiming.

943
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, that was it was a direct hit.

944
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 4: It wasn't astray.

945
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 5: That was okay, So Tommy, if I'm right or wrong,

946
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 5: did you guys see that on Instagram? It appeared that

947
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 5: defensive lineman Justin Jones gifted the Big D lineman some

948
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 5: customized louton luggage.

949
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 4: Did not see that.

950
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 5: I just didn't know. If you guys needed inspiration for my.

951
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 4: Gift next week, I see, that would be.

952
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 5: Fine with me. I'm really not picky.

953
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: That's uh yeah, well we're really not that rich.

954
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 4: Well, the Justin Jones d one D lineman, I mean, like,

955
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 4: what was the motivation or what compelled him to gift

956
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 4: all the other d Maybe he's just a good dude. Okay,

957
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 4: it was funny.

958
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: I was thinking about Justin Jones and Balald Nichols this morning,

959
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 3: and I'm like, when we talk about what this team

960
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: is going to look like, and we we're gonna forget

961
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 3: about these two veteran defensive linemen that'll be back next year,

962
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: that like have basically disappeared from our thought process because

963
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: there never we don't see him anymore.

964
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 4: They were only your starting defensive tackles coming out of camp.

965
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 4: I know, think about that okay, all right, Uh, I

966
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 4: guess that'll do it. I wish I had some sort

967
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 4: of poignant, you know, holiday wishes of some sort. You know.

968
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 4: So it's sort of like when it comes around to

969
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 4: saying grace at the Christmas dinner table. You know, you

970
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 4: got to figure it out. You can't just be caught

971
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 4: in the moment.

972
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: How old are your kids though?

973
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 5: What is Cheeto getting?

974
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 4: That's oh my goodness, that is yeah, you know what,

975
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 4: you hit a source spot. You know, I think Cheeto

976
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 4: my dog has more shopping done right now than yours truly,

977
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 4: So we're gonna have to do something about that. Exit

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