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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind?

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Speaker 1: From how Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, welcome to Stuff

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Speaker 1: to Blow your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and

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Speaker 1: I'm Julie Douglas. We are recording this just before Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: and you will get to listen to it sometime after Thanksgivings.

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Speaker 1: So for those of you who engage in this holiday

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Speaker 1: of culinary excess, then you will you'll probably be stuffed

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Speaker 1: a bit, You'll be kind of filled with food. So

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Speaker 1: this podcast is for you to to to maybe help

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Speaker 1: with your digestion, to maybe make you think, well, maybe

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Speaker 1: I don't have it that bad after all, it could

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Speaker 1: have been worse, or or maybe you may end up

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Speaker 1: thinking I could have had a little more help eating

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Speaker 1: that food than I actually had, because you probably had

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Speaker 1: to do most of the chewing and swallowing and manipulating

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Speaker 1: of the food in your mouth all by your lonesome.

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Speaker 1: That's right. So we're going to bring you a little

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Speaker 1: topic today. That's think of it as a palate cleanser,

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Speaker 1: or as you say, an aid uh. In your next

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Speaker 1: foray into culinary indulgence. We are talking specifically about a

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Speaker 1: tongue eating parasite, yes, sigh motha exegua, which we will

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Speaker 1: now refer to as the I pod. Yes, the I pod.

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Speaker 1: This is a fantastic creature. If you have not seen

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Speaker 1: a picture of this, go to the blog post that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna put out to go along with this episode.

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Speaker 1: You'll see some photos or some links to some photos

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Speaker 1: some of that video to to reacquaint yourself with this

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Speaker 1: parasite that essentially, spoiler takes the place of a fish's tongue.

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Speaker 1: It is actually when there's things that's like truth is

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Speaker 1: stranger than fiction because it's very hard to I think,

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Speaker 1: don't to my knowledge, no one had dreamed this one

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Speaker 1: up before. Um, you know we everyone loves a good

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Speaker 1: parasite in a horror movie. Stuff busting out of chess,

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Speaker 1: living in people's blood, I mean, you name it, they've

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Speaker 1: done it. Like, but this sounds something like the only

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Speaker 1: sounds like something that they would have made up for

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Speaker 1: Invader Zim. Like it's that level of just twisted, but

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Speaker 1: also like it's it's gross and dark, but also kind

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Speaker 1: of silly in a way. Oh yes, it's very silly. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's get into the meat of it, as it were

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Speaker 1: in topic, Yeah, the tongue meat of it. Let's describe

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Speaker 1: what this, this pod crustacean is, all right, Well, outside

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Speaker 1: of its eventual home inside of a fish's face, it's

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Speaker 1: a one inch long isopod, which is like a crustacean,

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Speaker 1: all right, it's kin. It's close at kin that most

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Speaker 1: little thing called a pillbug, or we always call them

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Speaker 1: roly polis, those little little segmented because they're they're segmented,

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Speaker 1: kind of like a little armored dudes, right, much like

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Speaker 1: the roly poli, the pillbug that when you poke it

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Speaker 1: with your finger when you find it outside, it rolls

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Speaker 1: up into a ball. So it's kin to that. And

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Speaker 1: it looks a lot like that, except it's pale, one

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Speaker 1: inch long, lives in the water, shell covered, leggy, segmented,

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Speaker 1: and on its underside it has dozens of sharp, cruel

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Speaker 1: You don't think of your tongue is a creature, but

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Speaker 1: So if an isopod was actually replacing the human tongue,

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Speaker 1: It actually helps pass food back to the to its host.

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Speaker 1: that level of just it's crazy like nature. Again. Nature

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Speaker 1: first time someone was like, what is in that fish is? Now?

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Speaker 1: So it's there's nothing new about it, but it is

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