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Speaker 1: only gonna get worse here, all right, lots of topics
Speaker 1: to get to. We'll talk about why fans are not
Speaker 1: excited about the possibility of drafting Patrick's utank Patrick's Rutan
Speaker 1: at ten could be there, but a lot of people
Speaker 1: aren't into what. In my opinion, Barry, people have been
Speaker 1: trained by the Hall of Fame owner to love and
Speaker 1: concentrate on offense at all times. That's a problem in
Speaker 1: my opinion. I go, I go back to Super Bowl
Speaker 1: twenty seven when they had the triplets, okay, and the
Speaker 1: triplets being quarterback Troy Aikman, wide receiver Michael We're gonna
Speaker 1: running back Emmy Smith and those guys were fantastic and
Speaker 1: Jay Nova checks the tighten and fantastic and the offensive
Speaker 1: line was fantastic. But people forget the Dallas Cowboys had
Speaker 1: the number one defense in the National Football League. Okay,
Speaker 1: with the number one defense, the Cowboys have won five
Speaker 1: Super Bowls in their history and they have had a
Speaker 1: dog gune good defense for every single one of them.
Speaker 1: First Super Bowl the Cowboys ever won twenty four to
Speaker 1: three over the Miami Dolphins, who ended up the next
Speaker 1: season have an undefeated year, and then the next season
Speaker 1: after that one a Super Bowl and they held them
Speaker 1: without a touchdown. The Cowboys Super Bowl twelve team the
Speaker 1: second championship by Tom Landry. They recorded eight eight turnovers
Speaker 1: in Super Bowl twelve, very eight and it was broken.
Speaker 1: It was broken by nine turnovers by Jimmy Johnson's first
Speaker 1: Super Bowl team that had the number one defensive the league.
Speaker 1: They had nine against the Buffalo Bills when they be
Speaker 1: in twenty two to seventeen. So defense has always been
Speaker 1: a priority, even something that the Cowboys have excelled at.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson was a defensive football coach. Tom Landry was
Speaker 1: a defensive football coach. But for some reason, people have
Speaker 1: fall in love with offense. And I find it surprising
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, according to Chris Wartinson
Speaker 1: of ESPN, is intrigued by tight end Kyle Pitts of Florida.
Speaker 1: When you heard that, man, man, I knew this was coming.
Speaker 1: I knew it was coming, and I gotta think my
Speaker 1: boy and date Big Nate who who I do the
Speaker 1: pre and post game shows with Nate Newton, big Dog.
Speaker 1: He was like, you know, it was part of all
Speaker 1: those Super Bowl championship teams. But he told me this
Speaker 1: when I started doing this about two years ago. He
Speaker 1: told me, no matter how bad the defense is, how bad,
Speaker 1: they strong and the fans say, we need defense, we
Speaker 1: need defensive help, we need to get it, no matter
Speaker 1: how bad it is. The closer you get to the draft,
Speaker 1: the less you'll hear about defense and whoever the star
Speaker 1: offensive player is at the time, you'll hear this Cowboys
Speaker 1: nations saying we need to grab it, we need to
Speaker 1: grab him. Look to me, I understand the intrigue for
Speaker 1: this guy, I mean, cow Pitts. If what they say
Speaker 1: about him is correct, he's a once in a generation
Speaker 1: type player at the tight end wide receiver. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just call him an offensive weapon because I don't see
Speaker 1: him as an every down tight end in line tight end,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna call him an offensive weapon. But from
Speaker 1: what they say, this guy is a mismatched nightmare. He
Speaker 1: has the long wickets, he has a long arm, so
Speaker 1: his catch radius is unbelievable. He can outrun guys at
Speaker 1: the safety position, nickel position, and definitely linebacker position after
Speaker 1: we saw what he did in his forty times. So
Speaker 1: this guy, I can understand the intrigue this guy can be.
Speaker 1: You know that that Megatron type weapon to your offense,
Speaker 1: But for me, we don't have that luxury. We have
Speaker 1: and we have one of the worst defenses, not even
Speaker 1: out of the season last year, but in NFL history
Speaker 1: last year, and all we're gonna do if we don't
Speaker 1: address this and we keep kicking the can down down
Speaker 1: the field, we're gonna continue chasing teams. All teams are
Speaker 1: gonna be able to put up thirty on us, even
Speaker 1: though we may be able to put up twenty eight
Speaker 1: a game. We're gonna be chasing teams every single game.
Speaker 1: So I understand the intrigue about this guy, But to me,
Speaker 1: we need so much more help other places that we
Speaker 1: don't have the luxury of drafting a guy is the
Speaker 1: best at his position or whatever it may be. Plus
Speaker 1: we have so many offensive weapons already. I mean, look
Speaker 1: who we have on the outside. We got Cooper, we
Speaker 1: got Gala, we got Cdee Lamb, who emerged as one
Speaker 1: of the better slot receivers in the league after just
Speaker 1: his rookie campaign. And at the tight end position alone,
Speaker 1: we had Dalton Schultz, who was able to have somewhat
Speaker 1: of a breakout season with the injury of Blake Jarwin.
Speaker 1: We have him coming back from a torn acl after
Speaker 1: we paid him twenty four million. So I just don't
Speaker 1: understand the stockpiling at that position, at tight end position.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a guy that's gonna just just
Speaker 1: take over the league like I mean, I understand he
Speaker 1: has this unbelievable time, but I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: take over the league like that. And I just think
Speaker 1: we need so much more help on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball that we gotta address it. We can't
Speaker 1: kick it down the field anymore. We can address it.
Speaker 1: We can get some help for the offensive line or
Speaker 1: something like that later on in the draft, But for me,
Speaker 1: I've got to address this defense. This defense has struggled
Speaker 1: mighty league, and we need to address we can't kick
Speaker 1: the We can't kick the can down the field anymore, Newvie.
Speaker 1: We just can't. All right, I'm gonna give you some
Speaker 1: of the counterpoints to what you're saying. That Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: outside of the quarterbacks, will probably be the highest rated
Speaker 1: player offensively or defense on the board. So based on
Speaker 1: that that you're talking about taking the best potential player
Speaker 1: in the draft. Oh, by the way, is what was
Speaker 1: said about Randy Moss. Are you willing? Are you willing
Speaker 1: to pass on some on a player? So many of
Speaker 1: those who scout this game said this is the best
Speaker 1: guy here. You could potentially get the best guy at ten.
Speaker 1: Are you willing? I'm I'm willing to pass that up.
Speaker 1: If we had a average defense, if we even had
Speaker 1: the middle of the road maybe let's just say seventeen
Speaker 1: to twentieth ranked defense in the league, I would without
Speaker 1: a doubt say, you know, we can get cow pits
Speaker 1: because that defense, even though it's seventeenth or eighteen or
Speaker 1: seventeenth or twentieth in the league, it can still hold
Speaker 1: its own a little bit with that type of ranking.
Speaker 1: So I would say, you know what, let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and get Cole Pits. But the defense, we tried it
Speaker 1: out there last year, it was dead last almost I
Speaker 1: mean almost a lot of the especially the rushing categories,
Speaker 1: it was dead last. So you're gonna tell me that
Speaker 1: bringing in dan Quinn is just gonna make that team
Speaker 1: go for that that that assembly of assemble of players,
Speaker 1: you're gonna make them go from dead last in the
Speaker 1: league to a middle of the ranked team. I just
Speaker 1: don't think the acquisition of dan Quinn is that huge
Speaker 1: to this defense. I still think we need tools for
Speaker 1: him to be successful as a decordinator, and we got
Speaker 1: to get those tools in the draft. We weren't we
Speaker 1: weren't able to go out there in free agency and
Speaker 1: grab the tools we need for this defense. So to me,
Speaker 1: we got to get those tools in the draft. And
Speaker 1: to me, it starts with a number ten with thirteen,
Speaker 1: and that's just that's just my opinion on it. I
Speaker 1: understand Kyle Pitts is just, you know, could be just
Speaker 1: watching a generational player. But to me, if you can't
Speaker 1: stop the run and your teams can just pile up
Speaker 1: points on them to pick your poison against you, Cole,
Speaker 1: Pitts ain't really gonna do much work for you, all right,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna keep on just playing Devil's advocate, giving
Speaker 1: you the other side. So you're okay, You're okay, passing
Speaker 1: on from what could be potentially the highest rated player
Speaker 1: in the drafted the Cowboys, sitting at ten. This is
Speaker 1: the Player's Lodge party by hotels dot Com. You are
Speaker 1: the play You were a safety. You see what this
Speaker 1: young man, Kyle Pitts is able to do the corners.
Speaker 1: How would you have been able to guard a guy
Speaker 1: like this? Would you consider him a guy that when
Speaker 1: the game plan came out there sitting here talking, he
Speaker 1: was a sayings like Church, you better worry about Pitts.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, especially in the middle of the field. As
Speaker 1: a safety, you kind of that's where you kind of
Speaker 1: look for at the beginning of it. When you're breaking
Speaker 1: down field, you look at the guys that are gonna
Speaker 1: threaten the areas that you're in. And Kyle Pitts being
Speaker 1: that big time or big slot or big tight end,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him, he's gonna threatened the
Speaker 1: middle of the field. So for me, I personally, if
Speaker 1: I was a decording, and I'm going to get a
Speaker 1: guy that he's a mismatched nightmare like that. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: just leave one guy on him. I'm not just like, Okay, Nickel,
Speaker 1: you got him, or linebacker you got him, or safety,
Speaker 1: you got him. I'm not putting one guy on him.
Speaker 1: I'm beating him up at the line of scrimmage with
Speaker 1: one and then I'll have somebody over top trailing him.
Speaker 1: Now that you know that, that's where we need, you know,
Speaker 1: corners on the outside to be able to hold their
Speaker 1: own if you're putting that much emphasis on somebody on
Speaker 1: the inside. But yeah, that's that's the type of defense
Speaker 1: I would put on him. And I would also make
Speaker 1: him have to prove it first. I mean, we're touting
Speaker 1: this guy is the next Megatron. He's yet to play
Speaker 1: a snapp in the National Football League, So for me,
Speaker 1: I gotta let him. Let him prove it first. But
Speaker 1: if he's able to do that and his talent is
Speaker 1: that's what they say there is, then that's how I
Speaker 1: would defend him. I beat him up at the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and I would let my d line do
Speaker 1: work on that quarterback and hopefully he throws up some takeaways,
Speaker 1: but overall, I got to see him do it first.
Speaker 1: I got to see him on the field do it first,
Speaker 1: and then we'll go from there. Okay, So so I'm
Speaker 1: just just based on what you said. You're talking about
Speaker 1: potentially having two guys deal with Pitts. So if you're
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and you've got Pitts and Barry Church is
Speaker 1: sitting here having to worry about him and another player,
Speaker 1: then I've got Ceedee Lamb out in a route. I've
Speaker 1: got Amari Cooper out and a route. I've got Michael
Speaker 1: Galla out and a route, and I've got a potential
Speaker 1: of Ezekiel Ellie coming out of the backfield. How do
Speaker 1: you defend that? You got, you got, you got all
Speaker 1: those things you do. And I've never said not adding
Speaker 1: him would make this this offense even stronger, even and
Speaker 1: even have more capabilities out there. My worry is what
Speaker 1: are you gonna do with your own defense? Zeb Real.
Speaker 1: We keep talking about this, you know, this offense putting
Speaker 1: up this look at all these weapons and we get
Speaker 1: to pass the ball around all these different weapons. But
Speaker 1: then so does the offense come in again in the
Speaker 1: face our defense. They can throw the ball all over
Speaker 1: the place. They can run the ball over the place
Speaker 1: because our defense was that poors. So do you want
Speaker 1: to be in games you know, forty five to forty
Speaker 1: thirty five to thirty twos. That's the type of games
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to be in all season because that's
Speaker 1: the type of route we're going in. We're going in
Speaker 1: the greatest show on turf type route. And even though
Speaker 1: that nineteen ninety nine Saint Louis team had the greatest
Speaker 1: show on turf, they also had a top ten defense
Speaker 1: to go along with that. So for me, I just
Speaker 1: don't see the intrigue and this. I can see that all.
Speaker 1: Let me take that back. I can see the intrigue
Speaker 1: and why they want to get him, but I just
Speaker 1: don't think he can possibly help our team as much
Speaker 1: as building a defense can, because we already got weapons
Speaker 1: that are able to put up thirty points a game
Speaker 1: with the guys you just mentioned. If we add him, yes,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's an amazing plus. But to
Speaker 1: our defense, we're doing a disservice to our defense, and
Speaker 1: we're trotting them out there and they're gonna get exposed
Speaker 1: each and every day. We have got to we have
Speaker 1: got to go out there and we have got to
Speaker 1: put some type of town something with this defense to
Speaker 1: make it just the middle of the road. That way
Speaker 1: we get to get the most out of this offense.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I mean, do we want the greatest
Speaker 1: show on Turfy? Well, I know offense sales tickets, but
Speaker 1: do we want to win championships? And at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, I think that's what the defense provides.
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks and I had a Twitter I won't say debate,
Speaker 1: because we've just had different ideas and that's what it was.
Speaker 1: Different ideas. And then and Bucky has spoken about, Hey,
Speaker 1: if you're the Cowboys, why not build strength on strength?
Speaker 1: And just when I asked you, hey, how would you
Speaker 1: defend the Kyle Pitts, and you talked about using two
Speaker 1: guys and then I just kind of gave out the
Speaker 1: other blueprint. Okay, so now you got Cooper, You've got
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, You've got Gallup, You've got potential of having
Speaker 1: a Zeke Ellie come out of backfield or running in
Speaker 1: the middle. You know that you had these options. Here.
Speaker 1: I am with you, and I've been with you on
Speaker 1: this whole thing about defense. Your defense is true. I
Speaker 1: don't think people realize how bad it was last year
Speaker 1: because they were six and ten team, and because Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott got hurt, and then Mike McCarthy used a lot
Speaker 1: of the COVID his excuses and the fact that his
Speaker 1: coaches didn't get to work. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: excuses throwing out there last year. When we talked about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys being thirty first, there's only thirty two teams
Speaker 1: in the league. They were thirty first. When it comes
Speaker 1: to the run, second, second to last. The Cowboys gave
Speaker 1: up one hundred and fifty nine yards a game running
Speaker 1: the football. I don't think people have a true understanding
Speaker 1: of how bad that is. That's bad, like nui, How
Speaker 1: how can how can we get the ball back to
Speaker 1: our offense with all these weapons and all these superstars
Speaker 1: when other teams can just ride the clock all the
Speaker 1: way down running one hundred and fifty some yards per
Speaker 1: game against US. I mean, there was so many times
Speaker 1: last year where we gave up three hundred yards rushing,
Speaker 1: Like three hundred yards rushing like teams can control the clock,
Speaker 1: they can do what they want against us to where
Speaker 1: our offense we might only see, you know, four or
Speaker 1: five possessions of a game. That's how bad our run
Speaker 1: defense was, and people don't want to address it. It's
Speaker 1: to me, it's it's it's mind bottling. It's a head scratcher.
Speaker 1: So so let me just also keep running down because
Speaker 1: because we do a show every week and not everyone
Speaker 1: catches it. But so I'll just if you've heard it before,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm gonna repeat it again. The Cowboys gave
Speaker 1: a four hundred and seventy three points last year. They
Speaker 1: gave up thirty four passing touchdowns. Okay, thirty four to
Speaker 1: thirty four passing touchdowns, and that was the third most
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. And this year, just talking
Speaker 1: about some of the quarterbacks are going to face this year, Mary,
Speaker 1: they get Tom Brady in Tampa Bay, they get Kansas
Speaker 1: City and Patrick Mahomes. They get Justin Herbert, the outstanding
Speaker 1: rookie from the Chargers last year. You've got teams like Minnesota,
Speaker 1: it's Kirk Cousins, but Kirk Cousins has Adam feeling and
Speaker 1: he's got Justin Jefferson. These are some of the folks
Speaker 1: that are on the schedule. They faced Denver next year.
Speaker 1: They got two good receivers out there. You've got Washington,
Speaker 1: which is improving their football team. You've got dudes that
Speaker 1: you stood up here and say they guys problems. Um,
Speaker 1: you got Carolina, who's got Robbie Anderson. They've got that
Speaker 1: that quick kid they didn't take a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago out of Maryland. DJ what's his name? DJ Moore?
Speaker 1: You've got You've got dudes that they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: go ahead and man up against and deal with. The
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are gonna have to do it. This defense has
Speaker 1: got its problems. Um Rick Goslin, Hall of Fame writer
Speaker 1: had a call him out this week, and I sent
Speaker 1: it to you in case are folks you didn't check
Speaker 1: it out. It is open on my Twitter page at
Speaker 1: newis Scrugs. It's an w Y Scruggs's n E w
Speaker 1: Y Scruggs. But some of the highlights that Gosselon spoke about,
Speaker 1: he said, hey, look, the Cowboys get infatuated with offense.
Speaker 1: If fans want to talk about the offense, but he says,
Speaker 1: something you got to know about offense is in high
Speaker 1: scoring offenses is it does not really lead to championship success.
Speaker 1: Since two thousand, nineteen offenses Barry have scored five hundred
Speaker 1: points nineteen. Take a guess how many of the nineteen
Speaker 1: they won the Super Bowl? Maybe one? Maybe one one
Speaker 1: the two thousand and nine New Orleans Saints. Peyton Manning's
Speaker 1: greatest year of football was in twenty thirteen, when he
Speaker 1: threw a record fifty five touchdown passes. Denver scored six
Speaker 1: hundred points. That's the only team in NFL history to
Speaker 1: score six hundred points in the season. Peyton Manning and
Speaker 1: the Broncos went to the Super Bowl. I was there.
Speaker 1: It was at MetLife Stage and Bruno Mars did the
Speaker 1: halftime show with Sensation. And here was what I remember
Speaker 1: about the halftime show of that game was the game
Speaker 1: was over. I mean the game was over. They were
Speaker 1: getting blowed out. They end up losing that football game
Speaker 1: forty three to eight. Okay didn't We lost forty three
Speaker 1: to eight. And this is with Peyton Manning having the
Speaker 1: greatest football season he's ever had. I remember doing a
Speaker 1: radio show for NBC Sports that that week with Bart Scott,
Speaker 1: and Bart Scott was like, yeah, man, you gotta go.
Speaker 1: You gotta go to general Man, you gotta go a
Speaker 1: pet Manning. I was like, part man, give me the
Speaker 1: d defense, And sure enough the defense went out there
Speaker 1: and went whooping upside their head. That was Peyton Manning's
Speaker 1: greatest You how about Tom Brady's greatest year of football? UM,
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven? Were you on that? Touchdowns? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't part of that. Okay, okay, they came,
Speaker 1: they came, They came here and put on a show. Um.
Speaker 1: But that was five hundred and eighty nine points that
Speaker 1: that New England team scored that year. They went undefeated
Speaker 1: in the regular season, went undefeated all the way to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. And do you remember how many points
Speaker 1: that New England offense scored in the Super Bowl against
Speaker 1: the Giants fourteen fourteen, fourteen And and I bring these
Speaker 1: up to go back to say what you were speaking
Speaker 1: about here, which is, hey man, guess what these defenses matter?
Speaker 1: And as many points as you score, we're not seeing
Speaker 1: it ends late into championship trophies. You I don't even
Speaker 1: know if you were born. Super Bowl eighteen back in
Speaker 1: eighty three when Washington went and faced the LA Raiders
Speaker 1: and Super Bowl eighteen in Tampa Bay. So that was
Speaker 1: the year that Washington was coming off their win a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl seventeen. They had the fun Bunch and they
Speaker 1: had set then set the record for points in the
Speaker 1: National Football League, well over five hundred. They go all
Speaker 1: the way to the Super Bowl that it's heavy frame
Speaker 1: it against the Raiders and they got obliterated. I want
Speaker 1: to say it was thirty eight to nine was the final.
Speaker 1: I mean, they just got trash. And this was also
Speaker 1: a Raider team. Washington had been earlier that year at
Speaker 1: RFK Stadium, so you know it was bad. And I
Speaker 1: look at what happened with Tampa and Kansas City. You know,
Speaker 1: Tampa took on Kansas City and Kansas City blew them
Speaker 1: out in their own stadium earlier in the year. And
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, Man, it was, it was a It
Speaker 1: was a beating by Tampa Bay against camp the City
Speaker 1: and Kansas City didn't have two offensive starting tackles and
Speaker 1: showed they got blown out despite all the great offense.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying, I'm backing up. And Tony Cassins,
Speaker 1: the former great Dallas Cowboys defensive tackle part of a
Speaker 1: couple of Super Bowl teams. Tony tweeted out this week,
Speaker 1: hey man, Jerry, stop talking about this tight end. You went,
Speaker 1: you won it with defense. So that's my argument back
Speaker 1: to the fans and this whole play stuff. Hey man, look,
Speaker 1: we can go out score these people. That's not the
Speaker 1: strategy that wins championships. Now, if you want, you know,
Speaker 1: a regular season division championship or just a playoff birth,
Speaker 1: then yeah, go ahead and load up your offenses. I mean,
Speaker 1: offenses do well in the regular season, like you said,
Speaker 1: Peyton Manny had the fifty five TV passes, Tom Brady
Speaker 1: had the fifty touchdown passes that year. They do all
Speaker 1: this great stuff, But when it comes down to that
Speaker 1: butter time, when it comes down to getting things done,
Speaker 1: if you have a hillacious defense out there, it's gonna
Speaker 1: win every time. It's gonna win nine times out of ten.
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's what I think we need to
Speaker 1: get the philosophy going in this team and this and
Speaker 1: this defensility to add pieces to this defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: last time we heard about Jerry being intrigued about a player,
Speaker 1: it was Johnny Manziel when he was coming out. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm glad, I'm glad whoever talked to him. You know
Speaker 1: that draft night, you know, talked to him out of
Speaker 1: that decision, and we ended up going with Zack Martin,
Speaker 1: I believe, which would have been which was way way
Speaker 1: better deal than Johnny Manziel. But I mean, this intriguing factor,
Speaker 1: we gotta get away from it, man, we gotta get
Speaker 1: away from it. And we got a justice defense. Now
Speaker 1: later on, yeah, you know, later on, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: a year or two from now. Dude, we could get
Speaker 1: back to the offense. But when your defense is this bad,
Speaker 1: you don't add things of great value in free agency.
Speaker 1: You gotta address it in the draft. This is the
Speaker 1: portion of the Dallas Cowboys that I kind of laugh
Speaker 1: about it. And this comes from a national perspective. We're
Speaker 1: here all the time. We know what's going on here.
Speaker 1: So Chris Mortonton, who's a Hall of Fame writer, and I,
Speaker 1: while Chris didn't say Jerry told me he's intrigued. Chris
Speaker 1: has always had a fantastic relationship with him in through
Speaker 1: the years. I know there's certain media people who have
Speaker 1: a direct line to Jerry, and Chris Mortonton is one
Speaker 1: of those guys. So I believe he did get this
Speaker 1: from the source Jerry about being intrigued by college fits.
Speaker 1: But Jerry's always been intrigued by certain players. You brought
Speaker 1: up Johnny Manziel, so I kind of went back on
Speaker 1: my list of players I know through the years that
Speaker 1: he was intrigued up. He loved Willie McGinnis when he
Speaker 1: was coming out of USC. He loved Willie. He was
Speaker 1: very intrigued by Willie. Tried to trade up for Willie.
Speaker 1: I remember having Willie on my Sunday show in LA
Speaker 1: before he got drafted and ended up going in New England.
Speaker 1: Willie had said he thought the Cowboys were gonna go
Speaker 1: get him because because they were just so. Jerry was intrigued,
Speaker 1: loved Willie mcgunis. Didn't work out there. He was, like
Speaker 1: you said, he's intrigued by Johnny Manziel. He wasn't intrigued
Speaker 1: by Quincy Carter, and he ended up making a second
Speaker 1: round deal to trading again Quincy Carter when his scouts
Speaker 1: had him as a fourth rounder and some of them said,
Speaker 1: don't even do it. He's intrigued by Quincy Carter. He
Speaker 1: was intrigued by mo Clayboom, and they ended up making
Speaker 1: that draft aid deal because the Cowboys said, man's a
Speaker 1: highest rated guy. We've had since Dion Sanders. So they
Speaker 1: were sold on Mo Clayborn made that deal, didn't work
Speaker 1: out that way, And I'll give you another guy, probably
Speaker 1: the ultimate regret for Jerry of a player he was
Speaker 1: intrigued by, really wanted, which is Randy Moss. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw what happened when when Randy came down to
Speaker 1: the Dallas I think that was that Thanksgiving game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had like three catches for three tubs. I mean
Speaker 1: it was It was ridiculous. Can I say this about Randy.
Speaker 1: Let me say very very hill and I defend Jerry
Speaker 1: from this standpoint that Jerry wanted him. But at the time,
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin had his issues and the people were looking
Speaker 1: at the Cowboys. They didn't like them. Their own fan
Speaker 1: bases like, man, these these aren't good dudes. We don't
Speaker 1: like him. They had a really bad perception of the
Speaker 1: football team that they were entitled. Too many guys are
Speaker 1: getting in trouble. They didn't like what they saw. They
Speaker 1: didn't feel like this was my America's team. So that
Speaker 1: was one reason why they didn't draft Randy Moss. And
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin had said years later, I'm the reason that
Speaker 1: Randy Moss wasn't drafted because the issues I was going
Speaker 1: through and old by the way, nineteen different teams, not
Speaker 1: just the guy was but nineteen other teams pass on
Speaker 1: Randy Moss. Okay, Randy Moss two times. And one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why I think Randy Moss was so successful
Speaker 1: is because of where he went. He had a good
Speaker 1: relationship with Danny Green, the head coach. Danny Green was
Speaker 1: able to talk to Randy Moss man to man, father
Speaker 1: to father. Then when Randy got there in Minnesota, he
Speaker 1: also was under the wing and tutelage of Chris Carter.
Speaker 1: Chris Carter's okay, and then another guy who lives around
Speaker 1: here in the area, Jake Reid, a wide receiver. So
Speaker 1: when I look at Randy Moss's success, people like to
Speaker 1: conveniently forget the infrastructure he went to. And Barrty, you
Speaker 1: played in this league and you were also in Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: so you understand that when you go to a team,
Speaker 1: a culture and infrastructure matters very much to the success
Speaker 1: of the player, especially if the player has question marks,
Speaker 1: without a doubt, and especially when you first come into
Speaker 1: this league as a rookie. If you come into this
Speaker 1: league as a rookie and and you're on a younger
Speaker 1: team with not a lot of veteran presence, and guys
Speaker 1: are just kind of doing their own thing. It's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to make it, make yourself last or find
Speaker 1: a niche in this league because you're trying to learn
Speaker 1: on the fly as it is, and then when you
Speaker 1: got other guys doing that as well as kind of
Speaker 1: like the blind leading the blind. So luckily for me,
Speaker 1: I was able to come into this team and back
Speaker 1: then with in two thousand and ten to Cowgood, there
Speaker 1: were a veteran leg later team. I mean they had
Speaker 1: Romo Witting that old offensive line before they got all
Speaker 1: the young guys in there, like Tyrn Smith and stuff.
Speaker 1: And on the defensive side of the ball, we had
Speaker 1: you know, d Ware, Brady James, we had Marcus Spears.
Speaker 1: We had a lot of veteran presence out there to
Speaker 1: kind of show us the way. It kind of lead
Speaker 1: us in the right direction. And for me, that was
Speaker 1: huge from my career because it didn't have me, you know,
Speaker 1: all every free day or every free opportunity, all let
Speaker 1: me go here, let me go through this, let me
Speaker 1: go hit the streets like that. No, those guys are saying, no,
Speaker 1: you need you need to calm down, Let's let's go
Speaker 1: look at this, or let's go work on this. And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that, you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of the downfall of the young rookies or busts out
Speaker 1: there is where they go to a situation where they
Speaker 1: don't have great leadership, they don't have guys that are
Speaker 1: had their best interests at hard And you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: these guys coming out of this rookie draft land in
Speaker 1: the right situation. But like you said that, that's a
Speaker 1: huge thing to be able to have a great relationship,
Speaker 1: especially coming into the league as a rookie. It's much
Speaker 1: needed to further your progression as a player. And Randy
Speaker 1: Moss needed Chris Carter. He didn't need Michael. He didn't
Speaker 1: need Michael Irvin when you talk about at that time
Speaker 1: where he was, because this was never about Moss's talent.
Speaker 1: That's why tell people all the time, Man, you keep going,
Speaker 1: Jerry should have done, you should have done the town. Nah,
Speaker 1: you're not looking at the whole picture of what was
Speaker 1: going on. You're just looking at the Oh, this talent,
Speaker 1: we plug him in here, Nah, Man, the organization and
Speaker 1: where they were going at the time and why they
Speaker 1: took Greg. They took Greg Ellis because one, they had
Speaker 1: a defensive need, but also they also needed a dude
Speaker 1: who had a good reputation, and that was one of
Speaker 1: the things that worked in Greg's favorite that Greg was
Speaker 1: a good, clean, wholesome guy. They were looking for that
Speaker 1: and they were looking for defensive help. So that's the
Speaker 1: thing that people, Yeah, it makes me mad because you're
Speaker 1: not looking at the whole thing of what was. You're
Speaker 1: looking now in hindsight, because everybody could look in hindsight
Speaker 1: about why we could all all these teams can look
Speaker 1: back and say, man, we probably should have taken at
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and not let him slide all the way
Speaker 1: down into the twenties. I mean a lot of folks
Speaker 1: listening around here to say this now. But at that time, man,
Speaker 1: there was a reason why nineteen teams passed on this
Speaker 1: dude two times in Tennessee ended up passing on Randy
Speaker 1: Moss two times, and they taken Kevin Dyson the wide
Speaker 1: received from Utah. Randy Moss had some issues and concerns
Speaker 1: from people. Man, they had those issues. And Lawrence Phillips
Speaker 1: was another guy who went the year before, and Lawrence
Speaker 1: Phillips's off field issues became a deal where it was like, man,
Speaker 1: when I take him, didn't for Meal came out said, man,
Speaker 1: we were not drafting Randy Moss because they were part
Speaker 1: of drawing drafting Lawrence Phillips, and that stuff matters come
Speaker 1: draft time here, man, And that's why I said, and
Speaker 1: I wish we would have done it, And we kind
Speaker 1: of did where we went and kind of got a
Speaker 1: veteran free agent presence um in that secondary with with
Speaker 1: with Demante Kezy back there because I don't really because
Speaker 1: Neil He's gonna beat the linebackers and so I don't
Speaker 1: really consider Neil as a part of the secondary right now.
Speaker 1: But we kind of addressed it with the Kezy getting
Speaker 1: that veteran presence. But but you know, he really doesn't
Speaker 1: have enough. He had some experience, but not as I
Speaker 1: wish we could have. I wish we could have got
Speaker 1: one of those more maybe maybe six seven, eight year
Speaker 1: in the league type veteran safeties who had a plenty,
Speaker 1: plenty of experience because they could have showed those those
Speaker 1: young guys because we got a young secondary. If you
Speaker 1: look at it, we got a super young secondary. We
Speaker 1: got Wilson, who's well, I think he's in his third year,
Speaker 1: but only really second year of kind of playing. And
Speaker 1: then we got you know, Diggs, who had a good
Speaker 1: up and down rookie season, but he has potential coming
Speaker 1: back from an injury. And then we might potentially have
Speaker 1: another corner in this draft, whether it be Certained Farley
Speaker 1: or Horned the kid from South Carolina. We might have
Speaker 1: another guy in this secondary. So we have an extremely
Speaker 1: young secondary. And that's why to the point, I wish
Speaker 1: we would have went in free agency and got kind
Speaker 1: of a Tayshaun Gibson or got a trade boss or
Speaker 1: somebody like that who's had miles and miles of experience
Speaker 1: in this league and can kind of show these guys
Speaker 1: the ropes and get the most out of their production.
Speaker 1: But hopefully Kazy can't be that guy for his team.
Speaker 1: I'll push back on Kaz because I'm gonna stay consistent
Speaker 1: with what I've said before, even when I was hoping
Speaker 1: they would sign him. The benefit he'll bring is that
Speaker 1: he can at least explain the guys what dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator and Joe with the secondary coach want
Speaker 1: hey is trying up here do that. And if he
Speaker 1: can get on the field and line some guys up
Speaker 1: in the right place here, that's a benefit to me
Speaker 1: and versus a guy coming in here who's still trying
Speaker 1: to learn what it is they want. That to me
Speaker 1: is why you paid for the player and you brought
Speaker 1: him in here. Is this experience that they got here.
Speaker 1: All right, we got to take our first break? Can
Speaker 1: this be a bounce back here for Ezekiel Elliott? And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I want you to think about this question
Speaker 1: during the break, Church and want you to think about it.
Speaker 1: And I want to Honor say, do the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: any blue chip player on their defense? All right? Gonna
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Speaker 1: love talking football, but we are we are fans of
Speaker 1: music and movies and we just got the news at
Speaker 1: DMX the Rappers fifty years old. His family conferred it
Speaker 1: he had been hospitalized since April six after suffering a
Speaker 1: heart attack. Man, man, you hate to see it. Man,
Speaker 1: you hate to see it, because I meant DMX is
Speaker 1: that's that's, that's the guy that I grew up on.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I was finally able to listen to
Speaker 1: the to the CDs that had the little uh parental
Speaker 1: advisory at the bottom level explicit, yeah, explicit, I was
Speaker 1: finally eight, My parents finally said Okay, you can listen
Speaker 1: to stuff. Man. DMX was one of the first guys
Speaker 1: I threw on the track. Man, his music is iconic.
Speaker 1: I mean it goes all the way back to that
Speaker 1: ninety nine world. I think it was Woodstock at ninety
Speaker 1: nine when he performed in front of I'm talking about millions.
Speaker 1: If if you haven't seen it, if someone hasn't seen
Speaker 1: it looking up on YouTube, I think it's a nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine Woodstock DMX performance. He had the whole world
Speaker 1: singing his anthems. Man, this guy er er rough riders
Speaker 1: anthem he was. He used and you just hate to
Speaker 1: see you know what what what what drugs and different
Speaker 1: type of things can do to you. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was an icon out there and you just hate to
Speaker 1: see passing of an icon like this. So definitely condulged
Speaker 1: is to hit him and his family. But man, I
Speaker 1: mean that you hate to see it because this guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just this is who I grew up on.
Speaker 1: This is who I grew up on a lot of
Speaker 1: people grew up on. And like I said, man, you
Speaker 1: hate to see it. Yeah, Man, it's gonna make a
Speaker 1: watch of that film Belly that he did. He acting. Oh,
Speaker 1: but it's sick. You know. He was with the Rough
Speaker 1: Riders in his first album nineteen ninety eight. Uh, it's hard,
Speaker 1: It's dark and dark and hell is hot. Um it
Speaker 1: was number one man on the on the Billboard two
Speaker 1: hundred chart. And I just go back to some of
Speaker 1: those great tunes that he's had, Um, yeah, where the
Speaker 1: hood at that? That was, you know one of those
Speaker 1: classic ones you you rocked all the time. Um, I
Speaker 1: mean everybody knows that. You know, the stop dropped open
Speaker 1: up shot. I mean, just man, everybody knows it. And
Speaker 1: then the one who did the cisco you know, um
Speaker 1: what these what these blank from? Yes, that was because
Speaker 1: that was you know, he was named Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: man had two story I had two kills, Alicia, I
Speaker 1: mean had You know, Luis was unique. It was a
Speaker 1: great storyteller. If you listen to his songs, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: told stories to pretty much every single one of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was, he was a man. He was.
Speaker 1: He reminded me of Biggie Smalls in that regardless to
Speaker 1: where he was a great storyteller. And I mean it's man,
Speaker 1: his music is classic, and I'm gonna have to bump
Speaker 1: me some DMX today, man, but I have to bump
Speaker 1: me some today. The DMX. You know, here we go again.
Speaker 1: When you talk about a great storytelling, that's a really
Speaker 1: great storytelling on that tune. Here we go again. When
Speaker 1: I when I take my spin classes, I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: like the music that comes through my comes through the
Speaker 1: speakers at the gym, so I bring my own headphones.
Speaker 1: So I bring my own headphones. The DMX probably gets
Speaker 1: me through. DNX two is probably get me through about
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of class because I'm Abel was just turnings
Speaker 1: on then, man, and didn't just go and and and
Speaker 1: it's and he's got you going, man, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: But fifty years old, Earl Simmons, that's his real name.
Speaker 1: Earl Simmons has passed away at fifty years old and said,
Speaker 1: I know this is a football show, but you know
Speaker 1: guys like Barry, you know, football players love rappers and
Speaker 1: rappers love football players. You know that dout thing. It's
Speaker 1: a thing. And you know that's the dude's my age. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's when he's young. Okay when you talk about life, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you talk about life, fifty years old is extremely young, man.
Speaker 1: And when you talk about music and sports. I mean
Speaker 1: they're anonymous, they're one and the same. I mean, how
Speaker 1: many how many times do you see guys on the
Speaker 1: front on the warm up field before a game, they
Speaker 1: got their headphones on, their jam and because music gets
Speaker 1: you in that, it gets you adrenaline pump, and it
Speaker 1: gets you ready for battle to go out there, and nobody,
Speaker 1: I don't know who was better. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there was a better artist to get you prepared for battle.
Speaker 1: The DMX. I mean he definitely was all my rotation
Speaker 1: getting ready for the games. I mean, he gets you hype, man,
Speaker 1: he gets you hype. And it's just man, it's just
Speaker 1: it's he just feel bad that you know he's gone
Speaker 1: so early, man, because like you said, fifty fifty years
Speaker 1: and this life that that's still relatively young. So I mean,
Speaker 1: you just, man, you just hate to see it. You
Speaker 1: hate to see it. San Francisco Giants manager Gay Kapler
Speaker 1: when he was with the Texas Rangers. Uh, What's my Name?
Speaker 1: Used to be his walk up song, and I just
Speaker 1: want to that's probably my best one. You know, it's
Speaker 1: not game game and then he just gets going, dude, yes,
Speaker 1: now now you do that now you're going to you know,
Speaker 1: say you're going to spin class who cycling on a
Speaker 1: bike because the fun fun? You know, stop talking, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just look at you go away right the way
Speaker 1: he came off. And especially for you being a safety. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're about to hit somebody, you know, wash you know
Speaker 1: he's just you hit just you got you gotta be
Speaker 1: sweating now, dude, you got you know blood, he's now
Speaker 1: sweat right now. Man. Wow. And that's the impact he had.
Speaker 1: That's the impact he had on everybody. Man. He got
Speaker 1: the he just he just got you in and ready
Speaker 1: for battle. Man, it's man like I said, you hate
Speaker 1: to see it. He was. He was an icon out
Speaker 1: here man. But he won't be forgotten. Man that do
Speaker 1: made some He made some classic tunes, man classic tunes.
Speaker 1: So DMX, will you know, Black Twitter is going to
Speaker 1: have some amazing tributes to him. And look, Dmax has
Speaker 1: been very public about his drug addiction. Said he even
Speaker 1: got addicted to crack cocaine at fourteen years old and
Speaker 1: he battled it and I here he is a passing
Speaker 1: away of a drug overdose. And I think all of
Speaker 1: us can pretty much say we know someone in our
Speaker 1: lives who's had an addiction and the addictions don't stop.
Speaker 1: People at times can get some help, but you hope
Speaker 1: that they can come through. Unfortunately he didn't come through.
Speaker 1: But I just look here and celebrate what a great
Speaker 1: rapper he was and the effect the rap game changed.
Speaker 1: That's that's for me. That's when I start to look
Speaker 1: at just athletes and entertainment. Did you change the game?
Speaker 1: Nobody else was rapping like him the way he can't be.
Speaker 1: Oh okay me, that was that thing about you. And
Speaker 1: there's just certain guys that come along and be like,
Speaker 1: all right, man, that guy's different right there. Uh. The
Speaker 1: DC was one of my favorite because when the came
Speaker 1: out and and he was within in wa but then
Speaker 1: that all right, man, hey, look, Dre's got this one
Speaker 1: guy right here and it's the DC, and he came
Speaker 1: out of a whole different level. Um the one song
Speaker 1: getting funky, it's just so different, like, oh man, okay,
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard this, And I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know about the deal. I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: about the DC, But do you know what DLC stands for?
Speaker 1: Barry No, what's the staying for? Dallas O Cliff he's
Speaker 1: from here, man, I would have never thought that. Yes,
Speaker 1: the DC has thought he was, you know, a West
Speaker 1: Coast guy, right, and yeah, that's something doing. So he
Speaker 1: he wrote a lot of their music, you know, he
Speaker 1: helped he and he and Dre they wrote it and
Speaker 1: and Q they wrote a lot of their music and lyrics.
Speaker 1: And so he came out and did his own album.
Speaker 1: And then he got in that car accident. And I
Speaker 1: tell people all the time, we probably don't ever hear
Speaker 1: of Snoop Dogg if the DC doesn't get in that accident. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he like loses voice or something like that. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: his tray key. It was definitely it was definitely messed
Speaker 1: up and just and so you know, Dre kept on
Speaker 1: making music and so his little brother Warren g is,
Speaker 1: hey man, you check out my boy Snoop. And and
Speaker 1: then Snoop becomes, you know, the legend that he is.
Speaker 1: But I tell people all time, as great as Snoop is,
Speaker 1: the DC was at that level too. But that's what happens. Man,
Speaker 1: were just thinking about it. But when when I bring
Speaker 1: that all tied back to DMX who's passed away today,
Speaker 1: which is, hey man, there's these certain guys that come
Speaker 1: along and you just said, hey man, that guy's different.
Speaker 1: And it's the same when we look at athletics, like,
Speaker 1: hey man, that that guy's different right here, and he's
Speaker 1: and he's pretty special. That's what That's what they're saying
Speaker 1: about Kyle Pits Right now, let's say different. We're thinking alight,
Speaker 1: now we're thinking alt guys. He's different. But but and
Speaker 1: now this is great because it comes back to the
Speaker 1: thing I was gonna ask you before. Name me a
Speaker 1: blue chip football player on the defensive side for the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Blue chips now to me, to me, a
Speaker 1: blue chipper is a guy that he's he's there every day,
Speaker 1: down in and down. Now you can count on him.
Speaker 1: His play doesn't drop off at all, and he's your
Speaker 1: he's your he's your backbone. To me, for the Cowboys defensively,
Speaker 1: I have to look at last year. I mean maybe
Speaker 1: maybe one just man, and he has to get back
Speaker 1: to his form. And I think that's what that's what
Speaker 1: the seclude him from being a blue chipper is. I
Speaker 1: would say d Law. But last season he was a
Speaker 1: part of that historically bad defense and he didn't play
Speaker 1: as great as a lot of us thought. He could play,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't. He's the only one I might consider
Speaker 1: for blue chip. But other than that, I don't see
Speaker 1: anybody else. I don't see anybody else because LV he
Speaker 1: possibly could have could have been in that blue chip situation,
Speaker 1: but he has injuries, I mean, and who knows what's
Speaker 1: going to happen going forward with him. So to me,
Speaker 1: you know, d law maybe, but that's a that's it,
Speaker 1: that's a maybe for me. And that's the only one
Speaker 1: I could I could I could think of right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: they don't have any righty, right now? There are blue
Speaker 1: chip players scouts, you know, when they start to blue
Speaker 1: ship play, they're elite players. The Cowboys you're not have
Speaker 1: an elite player on their defense. And I went and
Speaker 1: talked to Chris Landry about it. Chris Landry used to
Speaker 1: run the scouting combine. He also used to draft for
Speaker 1: for the Tennessee Titans, and he drafted a George so
Speaker 1: and he has his own football service, Landry football dot Com.
Speaker 1: So I asked Chris, because I want to bring this
Speaker 1: to the show, I said, Chris, um give me your
Speaker 1: opinion about Tank Lawrence, because that's the closest of anyone
Speaker 1: who we could have because I had a debate. I
Speaker 1: had a debate with my guy, Pat Don'ty over at
Speaker 1: ABC five, and Pat don't he say, hey, take is
Speaker 1: a blue chip? I said, the cowbsn't have any blue
Speaker 1: ship guys. He's just take Lawrence is I said, I
Speaker 1: don't think he is. So I asked Chris. Chris said, quote,
Speaker 1: he graded out high red grade and some in the
Speaker 1: blue area, which is the highest grade level in league personnel.
Speaker 1: So what he's red which means he's a good football player,
Speaker 1: but he's not elite. When I think about you know,
Speaker 1: God right, when I think about blue chip, you know,
Speaker 1: Eric Aaron Donald's a blue chip football player. T J. Watt, Yes,
Speaker 1: you see, you get it. They're elite players, and the
Speaker 1: Cowbirs are have an elite player. And I take this
Speaker 1: back into what we're talking about in the draft. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys are sitting here at ten, and if things go
Speaker 1: the way we believe, there'll be a whole lot of
Speaker 1: offensive guys going, they could have the first shot at
Speaker 1: a defensive player at ten, which could be Patrick Certain
Speaker 1: of the University of Alabama, the reigning SEC Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year, part of the national champions. Here's a
Speaker 1: kid who walked onto the campus of the University of
Speaker 1: Alabama at eighteen and got a starting job in the backfield.
Speaker 1: Nick Saban, his whole NFL and his whole defensive philosophy
Speaker 1: started as a defensive back, played defensive back at Kent
Speaker 1: State for Don James. That's his deal. He still will
Speaker 1: coach defensive backs to this day. That's his thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's where you can woo him. So for Certain to
Speaker 1: come in there as a freshman and start their three
Speaker 1: straight years, to me, that special. We look at Treyvon
Speaker 1: Diggs last year and we look at him and we said,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a future building block for the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we know this. He was the number two corner
Speaker 1: at Alabama to Certain. So to me, if you can
Speaker 1: get two good corners and I can get a blue
Speaker 1: chip player, to me this one, you need a cover
Speaker 1: corner in this league. You were on that Jacksonville team,
Speaker 1: You guys had a blue chip corner there. You had
Speaker 1: Jalen Rams, and you had several blue chip players, but
Speaker 1: you definitely had one there. There's not a blue defensive
Speaker 1: player up front. To me, there's not a D lineman
Speaker 1: or edge guy at ten, there's a blue chip guy,
Speaker 1: but you got a defensive back. Then you do got
Speaker 1: a defensive back. And maybe I'm thinking a tad bitch
Speaker 1: selfishly because me as a safety, if you know you
Speaker 1: got those guys at the edge, if you know you
Speaker 1: got a Ramsey and at the time I had a
Speaker 1: boy ye on the other side, it makes your job
Speaker 1: so much easier because you could sit there, you could
Speaker 1: just say, all right, you got that dude. Even though
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to help you a little bit, I know
Speaker 1: you got that dude, lockdown, and it could free you
Speaker 1: up to make so many more plays. So that's why
Speaker 1: I think I have the whole We need to get
Speaker 1: this guy. We need to get this guy at the corner,
Speaker 1: because it would make the safety's job that much easier.
Speaker 1: So maybe I'm being a little selfish in that regard,
Speaker 1: But if there was a high ranking defensive lineman, if
Speaker 1: there was someone along that defensive line in this draft
Speaker 1: that could be that blue chip prospect, I'd be all
Speaker 1: four because even though those corners on the outside make
Speaker 1: a safety's job that much easier, the front seven makes
Speaker 1: the whole entire defense that much better. And I would
Speaker 1: lean that way, But there's not that guy right there,
Speaker 1: So you you have an opportunity to have a blue
Speaker 1: chip corner in certain and match him up with another
Speaker 1: building block, possibil ability and Trey Von Days on the outside.
Speaker 1: I think it's a no brainer. I think it's a
Speaker 1: no brainer because if you have those two out there
Speaker 1: who can play zone, they can play man, they have
Speaker 1: the abilities to go out there and guard the number
Speaker 1: one and guard the number twos and pretty much make
Speaker 1: them the relevant. If they can do that out there
Speaker 1: on a every down basis for this Cowboys team, I mean,
Speaker 1: it'll be night and day. But once again, they gotta
Speaker 1: put the work on the field to be able to
Speaker 1: do that. But to me, you can't pass up on
Speaker 1: a blue chipper like Certain, a guy that you said,
Speaker 1: he's a three year starter in Alabama. He's gone against
Speaker 1: the best talent because, like you said, he was a
Speaker 1: number one corner, not train one things. He was a
Speaker 1: number one corner. So he was going against the SEC's best.
Speaker 1: And we know as a conference the SEC is heads
Speaker 1: and tails above any other conference in the college football
Speaker 1: right now, So he's going against the best talent out there.
Speaker 1: I think you gotta go ahead and go ahead and
Speaker 1: get this guy you need to as shore that side
Speaker 1: of your defense. And I know it seems like a
Speaker 1: broken record because I've been saying certain since we started
Speaker 1: talking about the draft. But for me, it's a no brainer.
Speaker 1: We gotta get this guy to help shore up the
Speaker 1: back end. Since they don't have any blue chip prospects
Speaker 1: to shore up our front end. I think we gotta
Speaker 1: go certain there. But that's just your boy thinking. Well,
Speaker 1: I just think if you're trying to talking about winning
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl and some of the five building blocks
Speaker 1: that you need. You need a quarterback, You need a
Speaker 1: left tackle, you need a defensive run stuff and guy,
Speaker 1: you need it edge guy. Um, you need a corner.
Speaker 1: You know you need a corner. You need a wide receiver. Um,
Speaker 1: you know you need These are the kind of things
Speaker 1: that you need here. And I think Curtain can help
Speaker 1: them out in this book here but by Bill Walls
Speaker 1: called the score takes care of itself. When Bill Walls
Speaker 1: started his rebuild and they started to win a championship
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty one, he decided to go heavy at
Speaker 1: the quarterback position because the forty nine ers were not
Speaker 1: they were where they were not where Bill wanted to be.
Speaker 1: And obviously the guy who was the kingpin was a corner.
Speaker 1: He took in the top ten and Ronnie a Lot.
Speaker 1: And one of the things in reading about this book
Speaker 1: he spoke about, Ronny says, when you bring a Ronnie
Speaker 1: a Lot in your organization, you're actually bringing several Ronney
Speaker 1: Lots aboard because they create others in their own image.
Speaker 1: And when I think about a guy like Sir Tan
Speaker 1: coming to a legendary program like Alabama's and starting from
Speaker 1: day one, that guy had different traits. Okay, you know
Speaker 1: because they you think about this now, Alvin Kamara transferred
Speaker 1: out Alabama because he couldn't get No, they were stacking.
Speaker 1: Yet they were staged. They had a lot of back
Speaker 1: there for sure. Right. So so this is a program
Speaker 1: and it's it's tough to compete here. I mean, mac
Speaker 1: Jones could end up being the third overall pick in
Speaker 1: this draft. This guy was sitting behind Jalen Hurts and
Speaker 1: two them. Okay, this guy was sitting in the back
Speaker 1: and they had two other guys who ended up transfer
Speaker 1: them during that time. The Jalen Hurts. So when I
Speaker 1: bring this and said, it's tough to play at Alabama
Speaker 1: and you just don't walk in here to a defensive
Speaker 1: position that Nick Saban knows left and right and start
Speaker 1: from day one, become a championship player, become the SEC
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year, finished second in the in
Speaker 1: the UM the Defensive Back of the Year award. Kids
Speaker 1: from TCU more than one it. But this is to
Speaker 1: me when I look at this is a guy who's
Speaker 1: got a resume that says, yeah, I want that, give
Speaker 1: me some of that, and fans aren't excited. In Church,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to understand how could you, How could
Speaker 1: you not be excited to improve your football team? And no,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna fix everything, but at least start. The
Speaker 1: Chinese got to say, Church, when's the best time to
Speaker 1: plany a treat ten years ago? When's the next best time?
Speaker 1: So start working your defense today? He and I understand.
Speaker 1: I understand what people aren't excited because, like we said
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, man offense, you know that sales ticket
Speaker 1: that gets the people excited, that gets people wanting to
Speaker 1: come see him. When you got a high powered offense,
Speaker 1: you got the greatest show on to her. That's why
Speaker 1: cats aren't really really excited about out certain out there
Speaker 1: because he's a defensive guy. He's a corner, very solid corner.
Speaker 1: But that's not the thrill secret that they that they
Speaker 1: want that they want on this on this Cowboys team.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's a it's an we gotta get
Speaker 1: this guy. I mean, I just there's there's no one
Speaker 1: throwth prospect to me. I mean, unless you want to
Speaker 1: trade back and kind of get a lot of depth pieces,
Speaker 1: then that could be an option. But to me, you
Speaker 1: gotta go on the defensive side of the ball. And
Speaker 1: furthermore about him, when you go to Alabama and you're
Speaker 1: coached up by a guy like Nick Saban, it makes
Speaker 1: you very coach a bull when you come to the league.
Speaker 1: And that's a big thing that rookies don't seem to
Speaker 1: mind when they come into the league. They think they
Speaker 1: know everything. I mean, they think they always we understand
Speaker 1: that I just covered three. That's easy. But what are
Speaker 1: you talking? I could do this and with my eyes closed.
Speaker 1: And they go out there and they get exposed. But
Speaker 1: you rarely see that from Alabama players coming in. They're
Speaker 1: very culturable and they they they're able to pick up
Speaker 1: schemes very fast. So for me, this guy's a no brainer.
Speaker 1: He has all the tools you need. He's smart, he's physical,
Speaker 1: and he can go out there and make plays. And
Speaker 1: that's what this defense needs badly, is playmakers out there
Speaker 1: instead of guys running guys and letting guys run for
Speaker 1: three hundred yards on us. We need playmakers out there.
Speaker 1: And this guy's there at number ten. A couple of
Speaker 1: folks here, um just just reading some of the comments
Speaker 1: were against his knew he completely against the offensive player,
Speaker 1: laugh out loud says that's why I like Horn. He's
Speaker 1: a total dog. But that's me peace. Another persons has
Speaker 1: that type of attitude as well. And there to my
Speaker 1: jac Horn the corner from South Carolina, here's my thing
Speaker 1: on that. And you can speak to this better than
Speaker 1: me because you understand this concept even more. Horn to me,
Speaker 1: looks like a guy. You put him out there on
Speaker 1: the eye and let him do his thing. You're not
Speaker 1: trying to have him sit up here and playing a
Speaker 1: bunch of zones and thinking just hey man, you know,
Speaker 1: go over here to your side, take care of the business,
Speaker 1: which you know will make him a great three or
Speaker 1: four player. But dan Quinn is playing that that that
Speaker 1: Seattle defense and they're using a lot of his own.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I would draft a guy
Speaker 1: like Horn and put him in his zone. You've spoken
Speaker 1: before about mulclayborne, you and did Danny m craize saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys felt it. Here's a man guy. They trying
Speaker 1: to start having him play zone and it didn't fit
Speaker 1: with the skills. Patrick Chutan is a guy that you know,
Speaker 1: can do a whole lot of things. That's that's the
Speaker 1: ability of me is he's such a technician and he
Speaker 1: can do different things, and he can play the run
Speaker 1: very well. I don't think people are talking about that enough.
Speaker 1: You know, jac Horne's a good corner. I'm not saying,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't play the run the way a guy
Speaker 1: like Shurtan plays the run. And I think that's going
Speaker 1: to be important to a guy like Dan Quinn and
Speaker 1: his king And you just mentioned it earlier. I mean
Speaker 1: we saw a perfect example of that. And not saying
Speaker 1: that j. C. Horn can't play his own or anything
Speaker 1: like that, but when you got a guy that's a
Speaker 1: shut down corner and mentality, he's like, oh who I
Speaker 1: got this guy? Got the best guy? I guarantee you
Speaker 1: just guy, I won't catch anything. When you got that
Speaker 1: mentality kind of kind of similar to what Mo Claiborne
Speaker 1: had when he came in there. He was that Thorpeal
Speaker 1: War winner LS. You had him go out there and
Speaker 1: just shut down the main guy. Just go out there
Speaker 1: and do what you do best. That's play man the man.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of communicating. There wasn't a lot
Speaker 1: of oh, I got this guy. If he goes under shallow,
Speaker 1: let me alert you, and all that other stuff. Where
Speaker 1: you're a man the man quarter, that's who you got.
Speaker 1: And that's what hurt Mo when he came here because
Speaker 1: we were more of a zone team, especially at cover
Speaker 1: two zone team, where you just had to get hands
Speaker 1: on him and you had to see more. You had
Speaker 1: to see more out there. You weren't just focused on
Speaker 1: one guy. And that what kind of scares me in
Speaker 1: with this JC Horn guy is he's a great man
Speaker 1: the man guy. He can lock guys up. But if
Speaker 1: we're in that zone scheme, we're gonna bring that lesion
Speaker 1: of Boom type defense down here where they were more
Speaker 1: zone and a lot of communicating, is he gonna be
Speaker 1: able to do that is he gonna be able to see. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got a slot receiver right here. I need to
Speaker 1: play two to one because if that slot goes deep,
Speaker 1: but this number one, say shallow, I gotta alert my
Speaker 1: linebacker to get shallow, and I gotta go ahead and
Speaker 1: cover this number two. There's a lot of think when
Speaker 1: you come when you get involved with a primarily zone team.
Speaker 1: So that's just what I would think about that. I
Speaker 1: know certain has the pedigree, he has that technique to
Speaker 1: be able to do both. That's why I leaned towards him.
Speaker 1: Nothing against JC Horn, but this guy, this guy certa,
Speaker 1: he could do the best. He's the best of both worlds.
Speaker 1: And that's why I say you gotta get him. He's
Speaker 1: what you call the clean player. Yeah, you know, the
Speaker 1: tape tells you this is a good football player. He
Speaker 1: can contribute, and just so many check marks are there.
Speaker 1: There's no there's not a lot of downside. There's not
Speaker 1: a lot of gambles here. And I just don't think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys came back here gambling. This is what you want.
Speaker 1: A guy who's played at the highest level, who's won
Speaker 1: a championship, who's been a guy who's been starting since
Speaker 1: day one, who clearly can play for one of the
Speaker 1: toughest coaches in all of college football, who understands what
Speaker 1: that kind of complex defense is there. So boom, love
Speaker 1: that guy. Church. You brought up another topic here, and
Speaker 1: I want to make sure we get to it. Can
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott have a bounce back season? Go ah? I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope, and I pray for the sake of this
Speaker 1: football team that Ezekiel Eliet can bounce back and have
Speaker 1: some type of form that he used to have. I
Speaker 1: don't think we'll ever get back to that twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott because he was the main focus of the team.
Speaker 1: He was the guy that was getting the ball down,
Speaker 1: in and down. Now he was the engine that kept
Speaker 1: this offense going over the years, we kind of transition
Speaker 1: to now Dak is basically the offense and the engine
Speaker 1: that keeps it going, and Zeke is kind of a
Speaker 1: just you know, all right, let's run the ball, is
Speaker 1: keep the defense on this type role. So even though
Speaker 1: I would love for him to get back to his
Speaker 1: old form, and I think that would get the most
Speaker 1: out of this offense and out of this team, we're
Speaker 1: able to control the clock through the run game. I
Speaker 1: just don't see it happening because we have an offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator and we have an offense with a head coach
Speaker 1: that is he's very, very dominant when it comes to
Speaker 1: throwing the ball. When we've seen it the last year.
Speaker 1: I think, like you mentioned earlier in our group, chet,
Speaker 1: I think what was it Zeke was sixteenth and Russian
Speaker 1: attempts in the National Football League. The cowboy guy as
Speaker 1: a team a Cowboys a team, okay, but he's not
Speaker 1: getting the carries that we think a guy that's getting
Speaker 1: paid whatever he got ninety millions should get. And then
Speaker 1: you got guys thinking about adding another offensive weapon and
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts another guy that's gonna take the ball away
Speaker 1: from execular Ellen when we already have Ceedee Lamb, Michael
Speaker 1: Gallop Cooper, that's gonna spread the ball around. When we
Speaker 1: add another offensive threat like that, the balls getting spread
Speaker 1: too thin. And I don't think, well, he'll be able
Speaker 1: to get the touches necessary for him to be off
Speaker 1: there and be the best back he can get because
Speaker 1: I think the running back position, you gotta have that
Speaker 1: rhythm going. You can't just you know, let me hand
Speaker 1: it off to you once every couple of downs, and
Speaker 1: I want to see you make a big play. You
Speaker 1: gotta gotta get that rhythm, you gotta get kind of
Speaker 1: wear that defense down. And with the offense or the
Speaker 1: offense we have, the passing heavy offense we have, and
Speaker 1: especially if we add another Kyle Pits to the situation,
Speaker 1: I just don't see the ball being able to get
Speaker 1: to execute the Elliot. It'll be spread too thin and
Speaker 1: he might have an alright season, but it won't be
Speaker 1: what we're used to or what we were used to
Speaker 1: back when he was in his first couple of years
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Brother, I'm sitting here in
Speaker 1: my as WB SEE virtual home studio saying to myself, Yeah, Church,
Speaker 1: you're right when you when you first came up and
Speaker 1: had the question, I said to myself immediately, he won't
Speaker 1: get the chance. He won't get the chance that to
Speaker 1: bounce back you. And the unfortunate thing for me is
Speaker 1: fans want to beat up Ezekiel Elliott for his contract now.
Speaker 1: And here's where I will defend Ezekiel Elliott. They signed
Speaker 1: him to be a bell cat running back. Who's why
Speaker 1: he got ninety million dollars and you know, set the market.
Speaker 1: Then you hired a football coach who's never done that
Speaker 1: as a head coach with this football teams in Greenback,
Speaker 1: they never featured a running back. And all we have
Speaker 1: to do, if you're a cowboy fan is go back
Speaker 1: to win. Was Emmett Smith doing the bulk of his damage.
Speaker 1: It's in the fourth quarter because it was a consistent thing.
Speaker 1: It's like boxing Ja ja champion, next fam he knockout
Speaker 1: puts and that's what it was able to do. It's
Speaker 1: a continual thing. It's watching, it's watching the greatness of
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry Tennessee runs the football and so by the
Speaker 1: time the fourth quarter, all those body blows, all those
Speaker 1: jabs got you, and there's kid comes to the knockout punch.
Speaker 1: Zeque Elli's not going to get that opportunity here. Even
Speaker 1: though Mike McCarthy at his press conference spoke about, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to be more balanced, but I'm sorry, how can
Speaker 1: you be more balanced when you got the dog on
Speaker 1: owners saying he's intrigued with Kyle Pitts. You're not. You're
Speaker 1: not intrigued by you're running back. You're intrigued by throwing
Speaker 1: the ball over the place and getting Dak Prescott um
Speaker 1: more weapons. And I just I just think that poor
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott is not going to ever lead the league
Speaker 1: in rushing again. I think we could say that Church.
Speaker 1: I don't see him leading league the league and rushing again.
Speaker 1: I don't see it because they're not committed to it.
Speaker 1: Your offensive coordinator is a former quarterback. He wants to
Speaker 1: throw the ball. You know it's third and one or
Speaker 1: third and two. They sitting there hit throwing a route
Speaker 1: to a rookie. You know, they don't believe, they don't
Speaker 1: believe in it. Um. He's got to fix his funneling
Speaker 1: problems for last year too. Almost. I want to make
Speaker 1: sure I put that out there that he's got to improve.
Speaker 1: But and I know you thought that he wasn't in
Speaker 1: shape the way he needed to be and he battled
Speaker 1: COVID last year. It was definitely a down here for Ezekielli.
Speaker 1: But when you talk about balance back, I think the
Speaker 1: first thing has to start. There has to be a
Speaker 1: commitment to run in the ball, and there's not axa
Speaker 1: to running the ball from this head coach. It has
Speaker 1: to be and I think the biggest wall or the
Speaker 1: biggest defender. Zeke's gonna have to overcome. It's gonna have
Speaker 1: to be as offensive coordinator. I mean, like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: I mean there were so many times last year where
Speaker 1: we're like, wait, what are you doing? You got a
Speaker 1: ninety million dollars running back. Fourth and one we're throwing
Speaker 1: a five yard hitch to Cde Lamb. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just it's just head scratching moments like that's where you're like, wait,
Speaker 1: what's going on? And I know I joke a lot
Speaker 1: about him being a fullback and all this other stuff,
Speaker 1: but there was instances last year where he lined up
Speaker 1: as a fullback and I'm like, wait, what you're You're
Speaker 1: using him as a fullback to fake him the ball
Speaker 1: and then pitch to Tony Pollo somewhere. A look, I
Speaker 1: don't understand that you got this guy. He's ninety million dollars.
Speaker 1: He he is one of he I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: he is one a top five back because not after
Speaker 1: last year. But he still has some talent in the
Speaker 1: tank to be able to do damage. I just don't
Speaker 1: think he gets the reps he needs to get to
Speaker 1: be able to wear down a defense and get get
Speaker 1: back to those game breaking plays that he was able
Speaker 1: to do. And like you said, dude, I don't know
Speaker 1: if we'll ever get back to that moment. But for him,
Speaker 1: I think he needs as far as his career is gonna,
Speaker 1: I think he needs a bounce back year this year.
Speaker 1: But I just I'm not sure how it's gonna happen
Speaker 1: with all those offensive weapons and spreading the ball. There's
Speaker 1: only one ball. There's only one ball out there, and
Speaker 1: with all these options, somebody's gonna be unhappy. I'm just
Speaker 1: surprised that it's the ninety million dollars man that's gonna
Speaker 1: end up being the one left out. You know. That's
Speaker 1: that's a head scratcher to me. It's going to turn
Speaker 1: out at the way they're going, Okay, the way they're going,
Speaker 1: it's going to turn out that you're going to look
Speaker 1: at the money you spent on Zeka Elliott and say
Speaker 1: that was You're not getting the return on investment. That's
Speaker 1: what's going to happen, and people are gonna want to
Speaker 1: blame the play, and that's what I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: cautioning against. For the cowboy fans that are checking us
Speaker 1: out here on the Players Lounge, brought to you by
Speaker 1: hotels dot Com. This isn't all on the player. He
Speaker 1: can't give himself the football. He's not getting the type
Speaker 1: of work that a Dalvin Cook is getting in Minnesota
Speaker 1: or or even Derrick Henry in Tennessee. Those coaches are
Speaker 1: those head coaches are about running the ball. They're also
Speaker 1: defensive guys too. They're defense is shocked. The defensive guys
Speaker 1: are about running the football. And you've got an offensive
Speaker 1: head coach who's never done it. I mean, he had
Speaker 1: Brett Farve, he had Aaron Rodgers, he's had Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: These guys have been chucking it. It's what they do.
Speaker 1: And so that ninety million dollars, I don't think Jerry's
Speaker 1: going to see a full return on that investment. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of a shame because you and I know
Speaker 1: how it goes. It goes back to the play. People
Speaker 1: get mad at the player with he got this big deal.
Speaker 1: Look he just got his money and quit, and that's,
Speaker 1: like you said, that's completely unfair. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of examples out there. Hopefully this offensive line will
Speaker 1: be able to be able to withstand this long season,
Speaker 1: They'll be able to stay healthy. That should be able
Speaker 1: to help him out. But like you said, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're gonna pile on him just because his contract was
Speaker 1: so high, and they're gonna expect him to be able
Speaker 1: to do this and that each and every down. But
Speaker 1: when you don't get the opportunities and at the end
Speaker 1: of the year you're only rushing for eight hundred and
Speaker 1: seven hundred yards, people are gonna dog you out for it.
Speaker 1: And then they're gonna come around, Oh, he needs to
Speaker 1: get a paid cut or just that, and the third
Speaker 1: needs to happen. It's just the way the game, I guess.
Speaker 1: And also, and I don't know how you feel, but
Speaker 1: I feel that Kellen Moore gets away from the run
Speaker 1: game too quickly. The one time where I felt he
Speaker 1: didn't get away from the run quickly and they ended
Speaker 1: up coming back and you saw winning the game was Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Now they were down in the game, but he kept
Speaker 1: running the ball, and that, to me is something I
Speaker 1: would like to see him as as an offensive play
Speaker 1: caller improve upon, which, hey, man, down ten doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you have to give up on the run. Down fourteen
Speaker 1: does not mean you just have to give up on
Speaker 1: the run. If you've got a special running back. And
Speaker 1: I do think Ezekiel it's a special play. Ye don't
Speaker 1: just give up on him. They need to start to
Speaker 1: utilize the special player more in my opinion, because if
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott is providing you the ability that you know
Speaker 1: you can hit him in the past game and he
Speaker 1: can hit up the middle, then you truly can get
Speaker 1: something more out of your offensive weapons on the outside.
Speaker 1: And it's and it was a headscrash to me that
Speaker 1: you would think after Dak went down with his gruesome
Speaker 1: injury that we would lean we would lean on Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott to kind of beat that bell cow get us
Speaker 1: back in contention. And with Andy Dalton there, I mean
Speaker 1: we still slaying that thing. We were still throwing that
Speaker 1: thing all over the yard. And it just goes to
Speaker 1: show you that, you know, that's what the philosophy is
Speaker 1: of this offensive coordinator. It's look, I'm here to chuck
Speaker 1: this ball. I'm here to sling this ball all over
Speaker 1: the place. This is maddened. This is maddened for him.
Speaker 1: And hopefully he learned and he'll get back to more
Speaker 1: of a balanced structure. But I don't see it happen.
Speaker 1: I see him still chucking that thing, especially when he
Speaker 1: gets Dak back. He's look at look at my guys back.
Speaker 1: Let me show you what he can do. And I
Speaker 1: can see us throwing the ball forty to fifty times
Speaker 1: a game. I can see what happening in him. And
Speaker 1: what I'll be interested to see is will Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: step up and say something. We saw that happen in
Speaker 1: Ohio State his last season. They ended up losing the
Speaker 1: football game and he's basically came out and called out
Speaker 1: the coaches. I didn't get the ball enough. He took
Speaker 1: criticism from Buckeye Nation. But the next game they gave
Speaker 1: him the ball and you know what they did. Won.
Speaker 1: And with the bowl game, you know what they did,
Speaker 1: they won. You know, they got the coaches once again.
Speaker 1: They I thought themselves, they didn't think they mean at
Speaker 1: the time Ohio State was fifteen. They weren't giving fifteen
Speaker 1: the ball. Give fifteen to ball and you can win
Speaker 1: some games. And that's what they did. Didn't lose another game.
Speaker 1: So that, to me, I'm just kind of waiting to
Speaker 1: see because if you're Ezekiel Ellett, you know too, if
Speaker 1: you're not getting the ball, then you're not able to
Speaker 1: put up the numbers. You can't get to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: You can't. You know, you can't get to where you
Speaker 1: want to get to if you want to have this really,
Speaker 1: really legendary career without that ball. So let's see if
Speaker 1: Ezekiel doesn't get to that point where he says, you're
Speaker 1: not feeding zeke. This isn't right. And because the way
Speaker 1: its contracts set, it's not like you can get rid
Speaker 1: of them. Pay train. You can't. You can't. Zeke Eli's
Speaker 1: gonna be here another two three years, two to three
Speaker 1: years minim because of the way the deal set up.
Speaker 1: So they've got to find some peace and harmony to
Speaker 1: make this thing work. Man. They got to if we
Speaker 1: want to be the team that we think we can be,
Speaker 1: if we want to be that team that can win
Speaker 1: a division, go far in the playoffs, and do that
Speaker 1: set in the third, we need to be that balanced.
Speaker 1: I mean we've spoken about the time and time and
Speaker 1: get on the show. The balanced teams they take it
Speaker 1: to the next level. The teams that are one dimensional,
Speaker 1: there's always that opposing team out there that'll figure it
Speaker 1: out and they'll shut that one thing you do well down.
Speaker 1: You have to have a backup plan. And right now,
Speaker 1: we passed the ball all over the yard and we're
Speaker 1: not able to run it. The teams once they shut
Speaker 1: down that pass. We've seen teams kind of just piled
Speaker 1: on us. So we got to get back to that
Speaker 1: more balanced approach. And hopefully that's what Kellen Moore and
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy are brewing up in the lab, because I'm
Speaker 1: telling you right now, the one in forty to fifty
Speaker 1: times a game, they're just gonna get you in a
Speaker 1: long deficit. And we're gonna be doing a lot of
Speaker 1: empty calories and the empty stats, and that's gonna relate
Speaker 1: to seven and nine because there ain't no more what
Speaker 1: there's no no, you can't be seventy nine anymore. Seven
Speaker 1: and was it seven and ten or something like that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I don't I don't see it happening.
Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see what happens. I know seven
Speaker 1: and ten means we'll be talking about who's gonna be
Speaker 1: the head coach. Can't get away with let's go six
Speaker 1: and ten and seven. Seven, you don't get you're not
Speaker 1: gonna see year three? Many running back? They no running
Speaker 1: back after that? Yeah? Right, Hey man, this is this,
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Speaker 1: for handling everything and keeping this going straight. Um all right, hey,
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