Speaker 1: Hi Katherine, Hello Chelsea. Excuse me. I took some chocolate
Speaker 1: mushrooms last night and they were very strong. I actually
Speaker 1: I took them the other night to my friend gave
Speaker 1: it to We were going to someone's birthday party and
Speaker 1: we walk into the party. We get out of the car.
Speaker 1: I was with Billy, my driver. We get out of
Speaker 1: the car, walk into the party. I was like four
Speaker 1: people and somehow I got separated from them, and then
Speaker 1: the mushrooms completely hit me so hard, and I was like,
Speaker 1: where am i? And who am I with? I was like, who, who?
Speaker 1: Who did I come here with? And I'm looking around, going,
Speaker 1: oh god. And I was like, you're with someone. Just
Speaker 1: look around for a familiar face. You did not come alone.
Speaker 1: You are definitely with other people. And then I saw
Speaker 1: my friend Alison. I'm like, say, isn't you And she's
Speaker 1: like yeah. I go, oh my god, I just lost you.
Speaker 1: She goes, we just walked in. How could you lose me?
Speaker 1: I go, I don't know, but I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: fucked up. Let's go sit down. Were you also the
Speaker 1: only one on mushrooms? Who knows? But somebody? Somebody's mother
Speaker 1: the birthday boys mother cornered me for about twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: and she had three heads while she was talking to me,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, these are because she gave
Speaker 1: me a little chocolate square, my friend, which are the
Speaker 1: best mushrooms ever. I'll give them to you if you want,
Speaker 1: but you have to take half of that. Last night
Speaker 1: I took half and I had a good time too.
Speaker 1: So wow, and you can still just like relate to
Speaker 1: people and you're fine. Yeah. You know what I love
Speaker 1: about mushrooms. They just make you laugh. You know, they're
Speaker 1: up and they make you laugh. And yeah, we went
Speaker 1: last night, we said, we hung out for like four hours,
Speaker 1: just sitting around, laughing talking. Yeah. I love the dreams
Speaker 1: the dream Oh you guys, I'm performing this weekend. Tickets
Speaker 1: are still available for both shows, So bye some okay
Speaker 1: by our guest Today, she wrote and directed In a World,
Speaker 1: which is all about voice acting. Her fascination with voice
Speaker 1: goes way back, and so now she has an audiobook
Speaker 1: out called Inside Voice, which dissects your voice, how you
Speaker 1: come across, how people change their voices, and the title
Speaker 1: of the book is called Inside Voice. It's published by
Speaker 1: Malcolm Godwell's company which is called Pushkin and then she
Speaker 1: has a lot of famous people on it, Drew Barrymore,
Speaker 1: Susie Yesman, Pam Career, Jeff Goldbloom, and Malcolm Gladwell. So
Speaker 1: please welcome Lake Bell Hi, Lake, Hi, Chelsea. How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm great. I'm better now now that I'm here with
Speaker 1: you a long time. No see are you in New York?
Speaker 1: I know I am. You look beautiful, Chelsea? Oh thanks,
Speaker 1: I just had Wendy's. Maybe that's it. I'm glowing. I
Speaker 1: think it's the Wendy's grease glow. I came. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I need today? Once I found out
Speaker 1: we were recording at this studio, I'm like, I need
Speaker 1: some chicken nuggets from Wendy's. Did you really? I did?
Speaker 1: I did. I allowed myself to do that about once
Speaker 1: every three or four months. Okay, so it's Wendy's okay
Speaker 1: for me. My my guilty one is Subway. I want
Speaker 1: a Subway sandwich in a pinch. Yeah, I do. I
Speaker 1: like get I like the combo meal. I like to
Speaker 1: get a drink and you get a chip. I like
Speaker 1: anything with like a combo. You know. I'm into combos
Speaker 1: as well. I like a combo platter. I like to
Speaker 1: think that. I don't like I want to opt out
Speaker 1: of the fries because that's just like putting gasoline inside
Speaker 1: your body. But then I'm like, you know what funkin,
Speaker 1: I'm here, and I'm I'm going to enjoy myself and
Speaker 1: your privilege, my white privilege. Actually, Okay, and there we started. Okay,
Speaker 1: like I was listening to your book. Lake has a
Speaker 1: new book out, an audio book in fact, called Inside Voice,
Speaker 1: which is a great examination of all the different voices
Speaker 1: that we use in different situations. Talk to us a
Speaker 1: little bit about you. You've been fascinated by the subject
Speaker 1: for quite some time, right, Yeah, I'm pretty openly vocally obsessed.
Speaker 1: I love voices because I think they imbue so many
Speaker 1: different characteristics, but also kind of it's a roadmap of
Speaker 1: everything we've ever endured. So it's it's like your voice
Speaker 1: is in headibly recognizable, and it is. I'd be so
Speaker 1: curious to hear you at like fourteen or sixteen, you know,
Speaker 1: because you as you are right now. Chelsea's voice. I
Speaker 1: love where it's come because it has this intremendous evolution
Speaker 1: and all these tapestry markers of like, Okay, you fucking
Speaker 1: any traumas or delights or whatever. It's really kind of
Speaker 1: this thing we don't pay attention to. Sure, we look
Speaker 1: in the mirror, We're like, what kind of fucking crew
Speaker 1: neck am I gonna wear? What? You know it? Where's
Speaker 1: my part? Do I have a good lip? Is it mad?
Speaker 1: Is it glossy? Okay? But the point is our voice
Speaker 1: is the thing that connects to humans in some kind
Speaker 1: of communication. So the second you open your mouth and
Speaker 1: you're learning about somebody, sure you're gonna look at what
Speaker 1: they're wearing and how they're You're gonna make some snap
Speaker 1: judgments perhaps, But when they open their voice, that's when
Speaker 1: you really start to get to know someone, and you
Speaker 1: are going to profile, whether you want to or not,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have some preconc you notions just based off
Speaker 1: their pitch, their regional dialect perhaps, you know, do they
Speaker 1: come from a certain burrow? Are they putting on an
Speaker 1: affectation that feels inauthentic. There's a multitude of different things
Speaker 1: and cocktails that we add on, whether we're aware of
Speaker 1: it or not. Some people are so vocally self aware,
Speaker 1: like myself, that they are obsessing over it, and then
Speaker 1: other ones are like, don't play that back for me.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't, I can't. Is that me? You
Speaker 1: know there's this real self loathing and I love this disconnect.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting to me from a sociological point of view. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think people get really freaked out by their own voices,
Speaker 1: especially because everybody has a variety of different voices that
Speaker 1: they use, like you know, your phone voice versus your
Speaker 1: angry voice versus your when you're trying to be for me,
Speaker 1: when I'm trying to be soft, I always have to
Speaker 1: modulate my voice like okay, because I know I can
Speaker 1: come up across as much harsher than I mean to
Speaker 1: just by just by my you know, physicality, just because
Speaker 1: people know that I'm a bit so I But when
Speaker 1: I was a little girl, I remember doing stand up
Speaker 1: and watching hearing my voice made me cringe because it
Speaker 1: was so high and it was so unmodulated. I guess
Speaker 1: would be the the term that comes to mind quickly,
Speaker 1: and I remember always going, no, don't talk in that
Speaker 1: high voice, like you don't sound serious, you know, lower
Speaker 1: your register, lower it. And it is. It is an
Speaker 1: evolution and a lot of people aren't even aware of
Speaker 1: the sound of their voice or think about it, because
Speaker 1: I can think of a couple of people when you
Speaker 1: were just talking offhand, whose voices just made me disqualify
Speaker 1: them as people like I can't listen. There's somebody in
Speaker 1: my life that I can't listen to talk because I
Speaker 1: can't take her seriously because she talks like this and
Speaker 1: this kind of voice. Okay, so this is what this
Speaker 1: is the next step, which is like our own vocal profiling.
Speaker 1: I mean, you hit the nail on the head there,
Speaker 1: because I also have, you know, really conflicted feelings about
Speaker 1: some female voices, which it sounds you know, we talked
Speaker 1: about the sex baby voice, which is you know, like
Speaker 1: why do we have to go so high and like
Speaker 1: so much fry and up talk and it's like Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: And yes, I have had things where I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can't hire you, you know, and that can like I
Speaker 1: can't hang out. I don't even know if I can
Speaker 1: be in the same room with you, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And that for me is that's where I
Speaker 1: am in conflict because as a woman who you know
Speaker 1: loves women. I love women, I mean fucking love women.
Speaker 1: I have sisters, I have daughter, you know, I just
Speaker 1: I'm a girlfriend kind of gal and I don't want
Speaker 1: to I don't want to isolate anyone. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be that person. However, it is problematic for me
Speaker 1: because it is it is harkening back that sexy baby
Speaker 1: sand is harkening back to a time when we are
Speaker 1: little girls and it's a submissive voice. It's taking that
Speaker 1: little girls submissiveness and marrying it with bedroom talk. I'm like,
Speaker 1: say what you know? And that for me is like
Speaker 1: woes or you know what I'm saying. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. It sucks that we do profile, but
Speaker 1: we do. I mean, even with regionalism, Okay, we're all
Speaker 1: guilty of. You know, if someone talks like this and
Speaker 1: the coming from you know, you're gonna have what you
Speaker 1: might think, Okay what some people I've talked to, they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that person is from deep South, right, Like if
Speaker 1: you have a really beautiful deep South farmland accent, Okay,
Speaker 1: that accent is unforcable? Is it depends where you're sitting.
Speaker 1: But no, I mean you might say that's unfussable and
Speaker 1: then you know, it's it's interesting. It's like do you
Speaker 1: do you not want to hire that person. Are you
Speaker 1: making assumptions about that person socioeconomic or education status? You know, basically,
Speaker 1: I'm just making the assumption that I don't want to
Speaker 1: suck them, but I wouldn't. But I I hear what
Speaker 1: you're saying, and I think that it's interesting as you
Speaker 1: go through life. I mean, I don't know, does everybody
Speaker 1: have enough introspection to actually think about how they're coming
Speaker 1: across It's almost like a rarefied topic that you would
Speaker 1: you need the luxury to even discuss. But here's the
Speaker 1: deal is, like it goes across the board. So we
Speaker 1: all enjoy. We have a couple of drinks. Everyone wants
Speaker 1: to do an impression right there, like, oh, I have
Speaker 1: a great Just last night there was someone who was
Speaker 1: like I got a great Christopher walking. You know, you're
Speaker 1: just like, okay, drunk person, like go for it. And
Speaker 1: people have these like oh I've got a good Drew Barrymore,
Speaker 1: I've got it, like a great Jeff Goldblum, who are
Speaker 1: both in the book. You know, these are iconic voices.
Speaker 1: We enjoy voices, we we relish in them, we we
Speaker 1: enjoy playing with them. You know, people are they enjoy
Speaker 1: doing accents. Even if you are not a professional, you
Speaker 1: are using your voice to find love, to find connection,
Speaker 1: to work, to interact with the person down at the
Speaker 1: fucking gas station. You're always using your vocal tool, like
Speaker 1: you right now revealing that your voice is going through
Speaker 1: evolution from the younger girl who is perhaps just getting
Speaker 1: up on stage and finding her voice as a comedian.
Speaker 1: And then you made a conscious decision to try to
Speaker 1: lower it. And I bet you've now arrived at a
Speaker 1: place where this is your voice. I mean, it sounds
Speaker 1: so deeply authentic to you. It doesn't sound like you're
Speaker 1: pushing it down though we could. You know you can
Speaker 1: do vocal warm ups to kind of find it, because
Speaker 1: I used to push it down also, I did like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want you to take me seriously and take me
Speaker 1: as an authority. And now I find this is me,
Speaker 1: this is just who I am off the truck. I
Speaker 1: have a lower register than I did, and in the
Speaker 1: book I reveal where I was vocally. But I really
Speaker 1: love that pliability. I love that that has the ability
Speaker 1: to kind of like we we vocally change. You know,
Speaker 1: you you move to a certain burrow, you move out
Speaker 1: of a certain burrow, you have a partner that speaks
Speaker 1: a certain way. You smoke, you start smoking in your twenties,
Speaker 1: and you do it throughout and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you've got you know some I mean, you have
Speaker 1: a beautiful kind of text or to your voice do,
Speaker 1: but that's your history. It's also interesting to dissect how
Speaker 1: one person how we say things right, because something can
Speaker 1: come across as argumentative in a certain tone, and the
Speaker 1: same exact sentence can come cross as inviting. Or you know,
Speaker 1: if you take a sentence and you experiment with five
Speaker 1: to ten different ways of saying something, they all have
Speaker 1: a kind of different out impact and outcome. I have
Speaker 1: a very specific issue with that in my own life,
Speaker 1: where like some people have resting bitch face, I and
Speaker 1: my sister has the same problem. We have what we
Speaker 1: call resting bitch voice, where especially with like the people
Speaker 1: we love the most, like my husband or whatever, I
Speaker 1: can be just telling him a piece of information like
Speaker 1: what time is it, and my voice will go it's
Speaker 1: ten thirty, And I'm not pissed, but I sound so rude,
Speaker 1: and sometimes I have to be like, I didn't mean
Speaker 1: it like that. I just meant it's ten thirty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's intonation, right, So that's I mean, it
Speaker 1: is interesting when we start to think about performance versus voice,
Speaker 1: right so style because in the book it's very kinetic.
Speaker 1: It's not it's active, you know. It's like I want
Speaker 1: your participation as well as just like sitting on your butts.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's an active participatory experience. And trust or
Speaker 1: bust is this game we play. And I have anonymous
Speaker 1: readers of all different socio economics and from different continents
Speaker 1: read with all of their accents because even I have
Speaker 1: an accent, right, we all have accents. We have strong
Speaker 1: American accents, generalized or what have you. And then I
Speaker 1: have anonymous judges be brutally honest about whether they trust
Speaker 1: that voice or bust it. And that's not based on performance, right, tonality,
Speaker 1: curtness or whatnot. It's it's about just voice. Do you
Speaker 1: trust that voice or not? You know, it was really
Speaker 1: extraordinary because people, boy, I mean, it's all over the
Speaker 1: place and people have such strong, profiled opinions about you know,
Speaker 1: if you hear a deep South accent, or if you
Speaker 1: see if you hear a British you know, kind of
Speaker 1: like an estuary British accent, you know, and it for me,
Speaker 1: it was just like, God, this just goes on. It's
Speaker 1: like we're we're walking through life and you're going, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get a fucking Starbucks or whatever like macciato,
Speaker 1: and and the person who hands it to you, if
Speaker 1: they're like you want milk with that, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like you're immediately like, okay, where they're from. I know
Speaker 1: that they have a big family. You know, you're just
Speaker 1: making some assumptions. You could be totally wrong, but you
Speaker 1: are gaining a lot from just the voice alone. And
Speaker 1: so how do you apply this to your work because
Speaker 1: you were talking about directing specifically, right, giving people notes
Speaker 1: versus Yeah, I think I think in work, like you said,
Speaker 1: I do lower my register a bit to just wield
Speaker 1: kind of pure attention and respect. Right, I'm not trying to.
Speaker 1: It's like instead of being bitchy or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm just like I'm gonna wield a very
Speaker 1: direct authority. Sound right, and that sound you know if
Speaker 1: I was up here even without doing Sexy Baby, but
Speaker 1: I just was a bit higher, you know, if I'm
Speaker 1: up here that really, you know, would be a harder sound,
Speaker 1: I think to wield power. And so if I said, okay,
Speaker 1: everyone back to one, thank you so much, you know,
Speaker 1: versus okay, thank you, everyone back to one. Let's let's
Speaker 1: go one more time. Very different experience. And so how
Speaker 1: do you apply that with your parenting and your little
Speaker 1: girl especially? I mean both my kids. No Van Nazi,
Speaker 1: no when I'm using directing voice when I'm missed, you know.
Speaker 1: And so sometimes you know, with my kids, when I
Speaker 1: read them a book and when I talk about, hey,
Speaker 1: how was your day? That really that must have really hard. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's go back to sleep, and let's just really
Speaker 1: take some deep breaths. And then it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: we do not bite in this house, you know. You know,
Speaker 1: so it's like there's a there's a big flip. My
Speaker 1: voice is utilized. And then my kids they don't like
Speaker 1: it when I put on like accents and stuff. They
Speaker 1: you know, because I love doing that and I thought
Speaker 1: they would think that's so fun, but they're very they're
Speaker 1: very specific about it, and they don't like it because
Speaker 1: it sounds like someone else. And I realized the beauty
Speaker 1: of you know, our voices as as family members and
Speaker 1: dear loved ones is we really count on those sounds.
Speaker 1: Those sounds are more important than we realize, you know,
Speaker 1: like the voice of my my mom. Even I'm forty three,
Speaker 1: I still ah the voice of my mom. She's alive.
Speaker 1: I could cry right now. I love it so much,
Speaker 1: you know. And she's soft spoken and she you know,
Speaker 1: it's like there's just something about it. And when I
Speaker 1: asked my daughter in the book, I say, trying to
Speaker 1: get a good sound bite, I was like, nova, honey,
Speaker 1: what is my voice sound like? And you know, She's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just sounds like you mom, you know.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh God, that's sweet. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: cry now. But it's true. It's it's like the voice
Speaker 1: of my brother. It's terrific. It's just him, and it's
Speaker 1: indelible more so than sometimes these senses, you know, like
Speaker 1: a smell or something. You walk by a Wendy's and
Speaker 1: you and you smell whatever you smell, something you go
Speaker 1: that reminds me of an exact time. And I think
Speaker 1: voices for me have that same that same powerful poll. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like when you think about people who have passed on,
Speaker 1: you know, my mom, I always can remember her voice,
Speaker 1: and it was quiet. She was German, but she was
Speaker 1: not your stereotypical German women woman. She was very demure
Speaker 1: and shy and quiet, and so when I came on
Speaker 1: the scene, I remember her always going, where did you
Speaker 1: get this voice from? Where did you get this voice from?
Speaker 1: But she meant it literally and metaphorically, like where did
Speaker 1: you get your attitude? Where did you get all of it?
Speaker 1: Because it feels like a package. And when you remember
Speaker 1: people who have passed on my mom, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't remember my brother's voice, really, but I do remember
Speaker 1: my mom's voice. And when you remember, that's one of
Speaker 1: the things that never goes away in terms of your memory,
Speaker 1: your senses of smell. The other day, I was talking
Speaker 1: to somebody like and we were talking about the smell
Speaker 1: of smurfs, right, like I remember the way the smurf smelled,
Speaker 1: and I remember the way Cabbage Patch kids smelled, and
Speaker 1: I remember the way the school bus smelled and the
Speaker 1: first you know, like going to school and all those smells.
Speaker 1: And it's like voices are similar to that. You hear
Speaker 1: a voice and you're like taken. And sometimes when people
Speaker 1: sound like each other, you're like, whoa I already know
Speaker 1: this person. Yes, it does. That's a really beautiful thing
Speaker 1: you brought up, because, yeah, you you feel all of
Speaker 1: a sudden like, wow, I feel kindred with you. I
Speaker 1: just met you. But you sound just like my sister.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what to tell you or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Do you have any recordings of your mother?
Speaker 1: Do you have any of her voice? Yeah? We have
Speaker 1: some videos from Yeah, but she was you know, whenever
Speaker 1: there was a camera on or anything, is when she
Speaker 1: just kind of disappeared. So it was very hard too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to ask my sisters about that, actually talk
Speaker 1: to me about, Like so, Drew Barrymore, Susie Aspen, some
Speaker 1: of the people that you talk about in the book.
Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell, who actually published the book right with Pushkin Industries. Right,
Speaker 1: are you guys friends? You and Malcolm Gladwell. Yeah. Malcolm
Speaker 1: and I have known each other for many, many years,
Speaker 1: and he is acutely aware of my obsession, and so
Speaker 1: I would kind of talk to him a lot about
Speaker 1: you know, from coming at it from a sociological point
Speaker 1: of view, and I think that that I come at
Speaker 1: it as an academic, you know, It's like I want
Speaker 1: to learn you know. So it's like I ostensibly created
Speaker 1: a post grad course in linguistics, you know, and the
Speaker 1: sociology behind it is even a cultural conversation, like let's
Speaker 1: talk about it, Let's talk about all the like pop
Speaker 1: kind of fun stuff, and then also delve deeper into
Speaker 1: things that I don't know as much about. And with Pushkin,
Speaker 1: obviously I had access to just a tremendous amount of
Speaker 1: professors and linguists and doctors to kind of even just
Speaker 1: peel back the kind of architecture of how sounds are made,
Speaker 1: you know, and then roll into kind of people's case
Speaker 1: study stories, you know, stories that that are just moving.
Speaker 1: For instance, Pam Greers in the book, and she talks
Speaker 1: about losing her voice, actually physically losing her voice, going
Speaker 1: ostensibly mute. It's called psychogenetic dysphonia in response to trauma
Speaker 1: in her body, and that she's very moving and revealing.
Speaker 1: I'm very close with Pam, and she was very giving
Speaker 1: to kind of go there and talk about it. But
Speaker 1: it's extraordinary that the voice can imbued with so much
Speaker 1: emotion and also history, you know, yeah, and becoming self
Speaker 1: aware of it, Like Drew has had the same voice
Speaker 1: since the beginning of time, Like, she's not trying to
Speaker 1: develop any sort of differentiation. And even though she gets
Speaker 1: so many people do so many impersonations of her, she's
Speaker 1: kind of stuck with her real voice and never put
Speaker 1: on an affectation. And that's not an affectation either, that
Speaker 1: is her real voice in real life. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: really fun to talk to her because Drew she has
Speaker 1: a sense of she's quildly unaware of self aware of
Speaker 1: her voice. She she sort of is a little shocked
Speaker 1: that people are so interested in in mimicking it, and
Speaker 1: now she's in on the joke and so generous with
Speaker 1: her Her spirit is so fucking great. And she was
Speaker 1: talking about even the kind of architecture of her face
Speaker 1: and mouth and how it's framed. She speaks from one
Speaker 1: side of the mouth and that affects the sound and
Speaker 1: she said that. Actually Adam Sandler called her out on
Speaker 1: that one time, like as an improvised line in a movie.
Speaker 1: He's a I love it with that, you talk on
Speaker 1: one side of your mouth or something. She was like,
Speaker 1: I do you know? And like and it was one
Speaker 1: of those things where in the book she goes on
Speaker 1: a ride with me and we kind of like dissect
Speaker 1: and talk about all the delights that are in her
Speaker 1: very very specific, iconic sound at this point, and why
Speaker 1: people who are related sounds so much like each other.
Speaker 1: You know, sisters always sound alike, like I always can.
Speaker 1: People always fay like, oh my god, you and your
Speaker 1: sisters sound exactly alike. And you're like, well, how's that happen? Well,
Speaker 1: my mom and her best friend. Frankly, my mom's best
Speaker 1: friend can call me on the phone and I'm like,
Speaker 1: hey Mom, and she's like, no, it's Linda, And I'm
Speaker 1: like what, oh god, sorry. You know, like they sound
Speaker 1: so alike, they're like voice matches because they just spend
Speaker 1: so much damn time together. And your voice starts to
Speaker 1: it just attaches onto certain it's sponges qualities, and you
Speaker 1: do you start sounding like your sister, You start sounding
Speaker 1: like you're chosen sisters. You know. Yeah, that's interesting. It
Speaker 1: is wild. Yeah. I mean it's like, you know when
Speaker 1: somebody has a really sonorous, booming voice too, Like my
Speaker 1: dad's voice is just very uh come ending, you know,
Speaker 1: just like I could hear I mean that that's one
Speaker 1: of those voices where you're like, that's probably where I
Speaker 1: got mine too, just as a mixture. Because I looked
Speaker 1: at my mom and I looked at my dad. I
Speaker 1: think I was like, Okay, I'm gonna go with you.
Speaker 1: I'm going to take the traidle over the Mormon bush. Chelsea,
Speaker 1: where were you born? Like were you raised? Bored? Because
Speaker 1: I'm hearing I mean both of you. I mean, let's
Speaker 1: just do it. Where's everyone born and raised? Because what
Speaker 1: are you hearing? Tell us what you think? Well, I
Speaker 1: hear from you, I hear I've known you for a
Speaker 1: long time, but now we're really dissecting it. I just
Speaker 1: hear some hard d s and tease in a way
Speaker 1: that I'd never noticed before, which makes me feel like
Speaker 1: it's like New York Borough, Try State. And that was
Speaker 1: just interesting to me in this moment where you know,
Speaker 1: it's like you've got a little bit of that kind
Speaker 1: of try State area. Yeah, I'm from New Jersey. Okay,
Speaker 1: there it is, Okay, beautiful, Okay, so try State now, Catherine,
Speaker 1: your turn. Catherine would have got well. A friend of
Speaker 1: mine who was doing voice over for a while, she
Speaker 1: was like, I couldn't nail a Midwestern accent. And then
Speaker 1: she heard me say, like, I think I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: an ball, and she was like Apple, she couldn't get
Speaker 1: the ale. Yeah, but I'm from outside Chicago, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's really interesting because, yeah, so you're closer to
Speaker 1: like that quintessential generalized American accent, which it does have
Speaker 1: kind of Midwestern notes in it. But I would say
Speaker 1: I lived there for four years and I was at
Speaker 1: drama school, so it was definitely like everyone's listening to
Speaker 1: other fucking voices, and you know, when I got there,
Speaker 1: was the only American in my college, and they were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you've got to get rid of your
Speaker 1: accents so strong, you know, And I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, I was like, I'm American, so like
Speaker 1: you guys have accs at and they're like, no, we're
Speaker 1: fucking English. You've got the accent. We were here first,
Speaker 1: you know. So the whole thing was me trying they
Speaker 1: were trying to iron out my strong American accent. So
Speaker 1: that was an interesting kind of reframe, right because as
Speaker 1: Americans were like, well, we're the baseline, right, We're America
Speaker 1: and we're not. It's like there is no baseline. We
Speaker 1: all have accents, every single one of us, and they
Speaker 1: can change it any time asked Madonna. Just asked Madonna,
Speaker 1: Chase somebody who went to England and you know, had
Speaker 1: a British accent in six weeks. So there you go.
Speaker 1: But that's great. Look there it is again. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: like very pro vocal evolution. I'm also pro regionalism. I
Speaker 1: want people to lean into their like Burrows and their
Speaker 1: fucking regions and they're like real deal authentic voice. Because
Speaker 1: the authentic voice, if it is who you are. If
Speaker 1: if Madonna feels authentic in that sound, then you know, hallelujah.
Speaker 1: Albeit you know. But this is what I find so interesting.
Speaker 1: It's like, as we there are more ways to listen
Speaker 1: to different voices. Right, everyone's got a platform, they can
Speaker 1: find access to it, and that is opening our ears,
Speaker 1: thankfully to different sounds. And we're not even talking about
Speaker 1: singing and people who use their voice in that way
Speaker 1: and how they're able to change that. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's a whole other set, that's a whole another book. Yeah, yeah, speak.
Speaker 1: I think I think that people do, honestly, Jose, like,
Speaker 1: I think you're right, but I do. Singing is often
Speaker 1: talked about. You know, nobody talks about their voice because
Speaker 1: they're just like, yeah, but like a freaking boy who
Speaker 1: gives a ship, and you're like, well, the truth is
Speaker 1: is that it is the thing that you're wielding to
Speaker 1: broker love, to broker deals. It's on you at all times,
Speaker 1: and yet you're more concerned about do I like the
Speaker 1: high Rise kick pant or not, you know which I
Speaker 1: do really like. And it's also you know, when you're
Speaker 1: dating somebody and you here like, this is why I
Speaker 1: don't like FaceTime. I like talking on the phone when
Speaker 1: you're getting to know somebody. I find that to be
Speaker 1: much sexier than holding up a phone and looking at
Speaker 1: their face until you get to know each other better.
Speaker 1: I think it's nice too, because I think there's something
Speaker 1: very sexy about before you meet someone, which I don't
Speaker 1: usually make a practice of talking on the phone very
Speaker 1: much before I meet somebody if I'm being set up
Speaker 1: or whatever, But I like, I find that much more intimate. Yeah, yeah, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is like there's something very old fashioned about that,
Speaker 1: and I like that you get to know a lot
Speaker 1: about somebody when you're like just learning about them and
Speaker 1: learning their voice for the first time. I agree completely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I would just piggyback that, which is like
Speaker 1: the voice. It's kind of broadcasting how you want to
Speaker 1: be heard. And so in that intimate setting when you're
Speaker 1: meeting someone and you're able to not just like be
Speaker 1: distracted by the visual right you're even looking at yourself
Speaker 1: on the FaceTime, you're like, how do I look in them?
Speaker 1: You know? Howes he look? And yes, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: It becomes a more authentic exchange. Okay, Well, today, like,
Speaker 1: we're going to use our voices to help callers who
Speaker 1: are calling in with problems, giving them life advice. And
Speaker 1: some of the questions are specifically about voice. Some of
Speaker 1: them are about you know, how we move and operate
Speaker 1: in the world and confidence and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: But we'll take a quick break and we'll be right
Speaker 1: back with like and Chelsea, and we're back, and we're
Speaker 1: back while our first email comes from Kenny, and Kenny
Speaker 1: is a woman just off why I dear Chelsea. For
Speaker 1: as long as I can remember, I've used humor as
Speaker 1: a defense mechanism. I've always been the quote funny friend,
Speaker 1: and I've pretty much accepted that this is my role
Speaker 1: in life and generally have leaned in and been Okay,
Speaker 1: with it. Now that I'm in my thirties, however, I
Speaker 1: feel like I've come to a realization that no one
Speaker 1: actually takes me seriously. I've allowed myself to be the
Speaker 1: class clown for so long that I question if I
Speaker 1: even take myself seriously. In general, it feels like when
Speaker 1: I speak, people will glaze over my words and just
Speaker 1: laugh at whatever I say, even when I'm not at
Speaker 1: all joking or trying to be funny. I've also been
Speaker 1: told in past relationships that I have a quote tone,
Speaker 1: but I'm still bewildered about what the tone is how
Speaker 1: I can turn it off. In my current relationship, my
Speaker 1: partner has had to quote explain me to her family
Speaker 1: because they can't tell when I'm joking or seria us.
Speaker 1: I guess my question to you, Chelsea is how do
Speaker 1: I retain the best thing about myself without it also
Speaker 1: being the thing that I start to resent. I've tried
Speaker 1: talking about it in therapy, but my unfunny therapist doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to get it either. Kenny huh question? How old
Speaker 1: is Kenny? Kenny? The thirties? Okay, well, Chelsea, how would
Speaker 1: you start with this one? Because I have a couple
Speaker 1: of things that are you go ahead like and I'll
Speaker 1: piggyback on you alreat copy that I mean first and foremost.
Speaker 1: It feels like this is like an authenticity believing in
Speaker 1: yourself thing. The problem isn't being too funny. I think
Speaker 1: the problem is believing in yourself and owning it and
Speaker 1: and feeling secure and safe in a relationship and in
Speaker 1: a room when you agree. Yeah, I would say the
Speaker 1: more that you allow other people's opinions to sink into
Speaker 1: your psyche, the less grounded that you will become. So
Speaker 1: it's a slippery slope when you start taking it like
Speaker 1: there's one thing to be like, we don't know when
Speaker 1: you're kidding or not. Like I mean, I've I've experienced
Speaker 1: that of course myself too. But I think that what
Speaker 1: Lake is saying is true. There has to be a
Speaker 1: sense of ownership over who you are. And I think
Speaker 1: what's getting in your ways allowing other people's opinions to
Speaker 1: kind of sway your own opinion about yourself. You have
Speaker 1: to stick to your guns and understand that this is
Speaker 1: your personality. Maybe if you take things too far, you're
Speaker 1: constantly offending people. There's something to reevaluate. But if people
Speaker 1: are just not getting whether or not it's a joke
Speaker 1: and it's not offensive, and that is kind of a
Speaker 1: an other people's problem. Like your personality is your own
Speaker 1: and you should embrace it and you should celebrate yourself
Speaker 1: and kind of really just reject anyone's opinions about the
Speaker 1: tone of your voice, you know, unless you're screaming at
Speaker 1: people every day. Yeah, I mean, where this is a
Speaker 1: nuanced thing. We were not there, but I do you know,
Speaker 1: I want to piggy aboun you just said, which is
Speaker 1: you can only be responsible for what's on your fucking
Speaker 1: side of the street, you know what I mean, So
Speaker 1: you can only be you and and then also be
Speaker 1: kind to yourself that you're participating in your relationship with
Speaker 1: all of the people around you in the way that
Speaker 1: feels authentic to you. If you feel like that, you're
Speaker 1: kind of your plan apart or something that's on your
Speaker 1: side of the street, and you gotta fix that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you definitely don't want to be playing a role in
Speaker 1: your own life, Like, don't do that. You want to
Speaker 1: be authentic to who you are, and the people that
Speaker 1: really love you are going to get it anyway, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's really annoying to have to explain things to
Speaker 1: people all the time. I mean, a quirky personality is
Speaker 1: a quirky personality. And from what I can tell, I
Speaker 1: mean by your letter alone, which isn't much because you're
Speaker 1: not she's not on a zoom right. It's just sounds
Speaker 1: like that's your thing. Like you know what I said
Speaker 1: about yelling, Like I used to yell when I was
Speaker 1: doing stand up a lot. I was used to yell
Speaker 1: to get my point across, and I would watch That's
Speaker 1: what would make me cringe the most because it's like
Speaker 1: sometimes yelling the nudes your point, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It kind of diminishes the whole point. Here would be
Speaker 1: I would just pop in here and say, okay, so
Speaker 1: here's a perfect like you could try this, Kenny, which
Speaker 1: is slow down because the hardest thing, especially when you're
Speaker 1: like a funny person or you have funny bones, or
Speaker 1: you feel like you have to kind of entertain a
Speaker 1: little bit in a situation where you've been you've had
Speaker 1: the propensity to do that people please e you know,
Speaker 1: like hey I'm funny girl, Kenny. You know, like if
Speaker 1: you have that thing, slow the fun down, you know,
Speaker 1: like respect yourself enough to like read the room, listen
Speaker 1: to the people around you, and then participate when ready.
Speaker 1: You don't have to fill the space, fill the space
Speaker 1: with the I don't want it to be silent, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something Blacky. You know, that's a good exercise.
Speaker 1: If you are one of those people that likes to
Speaker 1: just insert yourself all the time, it's a good exercise
Speaker 1: to hang back and like if there's a lull of silence,
Speaker 1: let someone else feel that. Anyway, good luck with your voice,
Speaker 1: and thinks Kenny, good luck with your voice, Kenny, and
Speaker 1: you're a new relationship. Well. Our next question comes from Toro.
Speaker 1: She's here with us, she's twenty seven. Especially because you
Speaker 1: have had sort of a lot of different careers and
Speaker 1: you continue to have a lot of different careers, I
Speaker 1: thought this would be a good question for you and
Speaker 1: sort of like fighting your inspiration again, Toro says, Dear Chelsea,
Speaker 1: I'm writing as a longtime fan who has always admired
Speaker 1: your passion and drive for what you do. I'm a
Speaker 1: twenty seven year old woman living at n y C,
Speaker 1: and I'm feeling completely lost in life. Growing up, I
Speaker 1: always thought I wanted to be a cosmetologist. I grew
Speaker 1: up neglected in poor but put myself through beauty school.
Speaker 1: Immediately after high school, I quickly realized I was in
Speaker 1: a deadbeat job in a deadbeat town and moved here.
Speaker 1: I can't practice hair in New York because my license
Speaker 1: is in a different state, however, so I became a
Speaker 1: bartender up until just before the pandemic, when I left
Speaker 1: to become a burlesque dancer. Since the pandemic, I've tried
Speaker 1: a multitude of different jobs to attempt to make ends meet.
Speaker 1: I've failed at everything I have attempted and dug myself
Speaker 1: a deeper hole than before. I'm currently trying to continue
Speaker 1: dancing and performing, but without any formal training and without
Speaker 1: any money to take classes, and once again stuck. I
Speaker 1: now have no self confidence, no dreams, no goals, nothing
Speaker 1: inspires me, and on top of it all, I'm still unemployed.
Speaker 1: I refuse to go back to the restaurant industry because
Speaker 1: after seven years, I'm fed up. Everything I've tried that
Speaker 1: has interested me or inspired me at one point no
Speaker 1: longer does. But after months to years of putting my
Speaker 1: call into something new, I've never been able to make
Speaker 1: ends meet or come even close to being able to
Speaker 1: support myself. Because of this, I've convinced myself that I'm
Speaker 1: mediocre at everything I do and my sense of self
Speaker 1: worth is completely destroyed. So I'm looking to you for
Speaker 1: some help regaining inspiration and self worth. How do I
Speaker 1: find my passion? How do I find inspiration? And how
Speaker 1: do I find self worth and confidence after being beaten
Speaker 1: down my entire life? Thanks for your time, Toro, Toro, Hi,
Speaker 1: Hi to meet you. Toro. That's fatty Tuna, Toro, that's me.
Speaker 1: Are you poor thing? This is like Bell or special
Speaker 1: guests today And you know, of course have open to Catherine. Hi, yes, Hi, Hi?
Speaker 1: How are you? Oh honey? How you say you've got
Speaker 1: to pick yourself up? First of all, you are giving
Speaker 1: yourself a lot of negative feedback that is going to
Speaker 1: keep you in a negative like spin cycle. So first
Speaker 1: and foremost, I'm gonna give you one thing to do.
Speaker 1: And this has proven I've had I don't know, I
Speaker 1: take on a lot of patients, even though I'm not
Speaker 1: a medical doctor, a lot of people. There is a
Speaker 1: thing that you can do every morning. It takes twenty
Speaker 1: one days. You write down every morning, you get up
Speaker 1: and you spend one minute writing down all the things
Speaker 1: that you are grateful for, and you know you will
Speaker 1: find things that you're grateful for. You have to write
Speaker 1: down everything that comes to your mind. It could be
Speaker 1: your sweater, it could be your apartment, it could be materialistic,
Speaker 1: or it could be a family member or your hair.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Just do that every single day for
Speaker 1: twenty one days and you will have an energy shift.
Speaker 1: This has proven it's like data driven. I read it
Speaker 1: in a book years ago. I've employed it on myself,
Speaker 1: my sisters, my friends, and people change and they feel it.
Speaker 1: You feel an energy shift because your energy right now
Speaker 1: is is going around in a negative circle. Secondly, let's
Speaker 1: figure out what you want to do and do it.
Speaker 1: You know, can you get your license to do hair
Speaker 1: in New York City? I would have to retake the tests,
Speaker 1: but it's also been so long and because it's a
Speaker 1: different state, I have to pretty much go back to
Speaker 1: school for it. So it's something that I'm like not
Speaker 1: sure I'm interested in. When I lo have cosmetology school
Speaker 1: to go to the hair salon, it was a lot
Speaker 1: of forty hour work weeks with zero dollar paychecks because
Speaker 1: it was all strictly commission so that made it really
Speaker 1: hard on me. So when I moved to New York,
Speaker 1: I didn't even really want to go back to that.
Speaker 1: Of course, I've jruggled the thought, like in the past
Speaker 1: couple of years since I've been so like confused. But um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's such a big step to take
Speaker 1: because I'm still paying off school loans from cosmetology school.
Speaker 1: Like if I really want to add to that or
Speaker 1: I really want to like put my passion into dancing,
Speaker 1: it's just really difficult. Classes are very expensive and it
Speaker 1: takes a lot of time and training. So is dancing
Speaker 1: is dancing? The passion is that the North Star Apparrently,
Speaker 1: it's been like every like six to eight months, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm on something new. But I've been trying
Speaker 1: to do dancing that was initially where I left the
Speaker 1: restaurant industry back in twenty nine. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, you are being really hard on yourself,
Speaker 1: and there's it sounds like an extraordinary path of like
Speaker 1: you're looking at it from a negative lens, but I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at all those amazing experiences she has. I'm like,
Speaker 1: as a writer, I'm like sucking write that ship down,
Speaker 1: Like I hope you're journaling, and like every person you
Speaker 1: meet is an opportunity to just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is wild. Like I have the privilege of living.
Speaker 1: I have the privilege of like getting to be here
Speaker 1: and experience. I mean, you're a young, beautiful woman and
Speaker 1: you have you know what I mean, Like you have
Speaker 1: the act that you're dancing. I mean, dancing is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite things in the world. And it's so
Speaker 1: in body and so like that's such a privilege to
Speaker 1: move your body. And I get that, girl, Like I
Speaker 1: love that. And so if that is, even if it changes,
Speaker 1: just remember I mean, I always have to remember this too.
Speaker 1: The terms can always change. It's okay to change your
Speaker 1: mind and to try to try new things, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: who says you have to do one thing for the
Speaker 1: rest of your goddamn life. Like that's ridiculous. It's not
Speaker 1: the human experience. Yeah, it's like the you're young girl.
Speaker 1: What are you in your twenties? Yeah, okay, well listen,
Speaker 1: you have the whole world ahead of you. I wasn't
Speaker 1: I was still waitressing when I was twenty seven years old.
Speaker 1: I didn't you know, get on my feet financially until
Speaker 1: I was like twenty nine or thirty. So, like, I
Speaker 1: honestly feel like we attract great things when our vibration
Speaker 1: is high. Like when your vibration is low and you're
Speaker 1: like funck, nothing works, nothing works, then then you're just
Speaker 1: attracting negativity. Like you have to really focus on the
Speaker 1: energy that you're putting out there because then you're gonna
Speaker 1: draw things into you and people into you that are
Speaker 1: going to help you achieve what you want to achieve. Now,
Speaker 1: are you getting paid to dance at all? Yeah? So
Speaker 1: I do burlesque and like go go, and it's pretty
Speaker 1: much wherever I can book if they have an opening spot.
Speaker 1: But it's not a lot of money. It's you know,
Speaker 1: mostly tip based, so it's hit or miss on the crowds.
Speaker 1: But I want to say, like usually an average gig
Speaker 1: is like anywhere from seventy five to a hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five dollars. And can I just ask a question
Speaker 1: about the waitressing thing, because I heard you were like
Speaker 1: I'm burnt down on that. I'm just curious because I
Speaker 1: actually I didn't like I loved it because a smile
Speaker 1: can get you a great trip. You know, I just
Speaker 1: be curious why it couldn't be concurrent. I know you're like,
Speaker 1: funk this. You don't have to do it exclusively, but
Speaker 1: it is like kind of a good gig if you
Speaker 1: can get it to supplement so that you can continue
Speaker 1: to dance. Yeah. So I had a really great bartending
Speaker 1: job that it took a lot out of me to
Speaker 1: actually leave because I had like benefits and everything from it,
Speaker 1: and I was taking like a decent income. I had
Speaker 1: a savings and everything. But when I got the dancing opportunity,
Speaker 1: I said to myself, like, I have lost so many
Speaker 1: opportunities because of my bartending job because you have to
Speaker 1: work every night every weekend. So all of the dancing
Speaker 1: opportunities or the classes I wanted to take, I was
Speaker 1: not available to take those opportunities. I've thought about going
Speaker 1: back because like of how financially strapped I am, but
Speaker 1: it really was really bad for me mentally. I was
Speaker 1: like crying every day on the way home from work
Speaker 1: because it was just so stressful. I worked at a
Speaker 1: really high end like high energy lower East Side cocktail bar,
Speaker 1: and the people and the massive amount of tickets that
Speaker 1: would come in for two bartenders, and it just became
Speaker 1: too much over the years. And on top of it,
Speaker 1: I was drinking every day and just being behind the bar,
Speaker 1: being around it. I couldn't control myself not to because
Speaker 1: of the stress. It's like not a healthy decision for me.
Speaker 1: Back wasn't a healthy Okay, But I think that's one like,
Speaker 1: that's one experience like you can have you create a
Speaker 1: complete Listen, everybody is strapped for servers right now. You
Speaker 1: can easily find a part time gig. I have no
Speaker 1: doubt about that. In New York City there's understaffed and hotels,
Speaker 1: like a hotel hotels are really dying right now. That's
Speaker 1: where my last job was at hotel. And you don't
Speaker 1: have to be behind a bar. You can be a server.
Speaker 1: You don't have to put yourself in that situation. I
Speaker 1: know you probably make more money behind the bar, but
Speaker 1: there are plenty of serving opportunities. Even if you supplement
Speaker 1: what you're doing two or three times a week, you
Speaker 1: can easily get in a part time and just make
Speaker 1: that your mandate, like I'm only available three nights a
Speaker 1: week or three shifts a week or whatever it is
Speaker 1: that's going to help you financially. Sustain yourself until you
Speaker 1: can get more classes and until you can cast a
Speaker 1: wider net for the places where you can perform, find
Speaker 1: more places and actually do the legwork so you can
Speaker 1: have more shifts at different places and possibly places where
Speaker 1: you're gonna make more than seventy five dollars, you know, dancing.
Speaker 1: So I think you want to put your best foot
Speaker 1: forward and just kind of suck it up for the
Speaker 1: time being, Like, you don't have to look at serving wait,
Speaker 1: you're singer bartending as a permanent ending to your life,
Speaker 1: or like this is going to be a permanent thing.
Speaker 1: This is to help you get a leg up to
Speaker 1: get you where you need to go so that you
Speaker 1: can become a professional dancer and make plenty of money
Speaker 1: doing it. And I have no doubt you will. You
Speaker 1: kind of have to make a couple of sacrifices right now,
Speaker 1: which is totally normal for being in your twenties. That's
Speaker 1: what we always have to do. We have to do
Speaker 1: ship we don't want to do because we want to
Speaker 1: set ourselves up. Yeah, and also, like you're very clearly smart.
Speaker 1: You have a great voice. PS. I love this episode
Speaker 1: is brought to you by Lake's voice. You do this
Speaker 1: woman is beautiful and strong and has a great voice.
Speaker 1: You you, you come off very You're terrific. You know,
Speaker 1: so fun this so like you turn it around right
Speaker 1: fucking now, You're gonna write in that thing that Chelsea
Speaker 1: told you to do that every day and then it's
Speaker 1: just this is just happening to you right now, and
Speaker 1: this is the turn it just is it just I
Speaker 1: know it's weird, right, but this is what it is.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I agree with that you need
Speaker 1: a little kick in the ass, and you know, just
Speaker 1: you have to turn your whole attitude around and just
Speaker 1: move towards the goal. Don't resist everything that it takes
Speaker 1: to get towards your goal. Just move towards it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think having some sort of supplementary income will help.
Speaker 1: Like there's when you're at that age, like not to
Speaker 1: put everything back to your age, but like when you're
Speaker 1: twenty seven, you have this dichotomy of like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: need to have enough money that I'm like kind of
Speaker 1: comfortable and can afford to feed myself, but also enough
Speaker 1: time and energy to pursue these creative pursuits. And I
Speaker 1: very much identify with where you are. I you know
Speaker 1: felt the same way until a few years ago when
Speaker 1: I found podcasting. You just kind of have to like
Speaker 1: keep throwing ship at the wall and see what inspires
Speaker 1: your passion. Like I did acting, I did voice over,
Speaker 1: I did improv, I did writing. I did all these
Speaker 1: different things, and at the end of the day, it
Speaker 1: was the conglomeration of all those experiences that I had
Speaker 1: that led me to where I am now and really
Speaker 1: gave me this fabulous career that I love. Where she
Speaker 1: throws around where it's like supplementary, what the fund is
Speaker 1: that supplementary? What? No? I love it though, fucking yeah,
Speaker 1: creates some words, she hears stories, hard boiled eggs around,
Speaker 1: and a step blocked bag on planes. Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: just be clear with right now. Toro, Toro do not.
Speaker 1: I don't think, I won't think I'm not to. Is
Speaker 1: that is that short for something? Toro? Is that your
Speaker 1: full name or is that a nickname? Nope? So that's um,
Speaker 1: it's actually my stage name. But nobody in New York
Speaker 1: calls me by my legal name unless they're like blood
Speaker 1: related to me. So I don't tell people my legal
Speaker 1: name because I don't even respond to it anymore. But no,
Speaker 1: it's actually because I was a cheerleader growing up. So
Speaker 1: the mascot in the movies, the Mighty Toros, that's how
Speaker 1: I choose my name back when I was a teenager Anazing.
Speaker 1: I feel like you gotta write the stories. This is
Speaker 1: just cool, Like you have a lot of really, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like you might. You you talk
Speaker 1: like a writer. I think that you should be journaling
Speaker 1: and allowing yourself to own your stories and feel even
Speaker 1: if they go nowhere. It's a beautiful exercise to just
Speaker 1: be like you know you you say, you dance one
Speaker 1: night and there's just like some crazy you know, a
Speaker 1: couple that came in and they're just hilarious and they're
Speaker 1: from you know. You just start to catalog your experiences.
Speaker 1: They're yours, they're personal. That's special. Yeah. And additionally, have
Speaker 1: kind your conversations with yourself. You know, like you you
Speaker 1: cannot be so rough on yourself. If you feel that
Speaker 1: way about yourself, that's what you're projecting to everybody, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you have to start with
Speaker 1: that inner dialogue and change the conversation that you're having
Speaker 1: with yourself into a loving, positive one. It makes a
Speaker 1: huge difference. Yeah, thank you, Like it really all in
Speaker 1: my brain. I guess coincides with the obviously as we
Speaker 1: all have the pandemic. I think because like that's I
Speaker 1: started doing this right before the pandemic and then nightlife
Speaker 1: and everything just succeeded, and that was kind of it
Speaker 1: for me until last year. And I think it's just
Speaker 1: really hard getting back up into the industry. So I
Speaker 1: just needed a push to like get that kickstart going again.
Speaker 1: And I needed the inspiration because I was telling Katherine
Speaker 1: the other day, I've tried like a bunch of different therapists.
Speaker 1: I'm having trouble finding a really good one right now,
Speaker 1: and it's just been like really bad advice. And I
Speaker 1: just needed to hear somebody tell me you'll just do
Speaker 1: it it, just do it. It's not an advertisement for Nike, No,
Speaker 1: you got this, though. I think you should also, like
Speaker 1: you could dance and commercials and stuff, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I think you should try and also put on your
Speaker 1: list of things to attain in the next couple of years,
Speaker 1: like finding a commercial agent and like going out and
Speaker 1: using your talent to for cure money for commercials for
Speaker 1: films for whatever, you know, that's a great idea. I
Speaker 1: have a question about commercials. How do they don't they
Speaker 1: care a lot about tattoos because I do have a
Speaker 1: lot of tattoos. They love it because my hands and like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's all that's like, you're gonna get booked tomorrow
Speaker 1: because in my head it's always old. And now people
Speaker 1: are into tattoos. Okay, you should be going to like
Speaker 1: open call, you know, getting backstage West, you know, back
Speaker 1: backstage East, just like just say, you know, just try
Speaker 1: to throw some ship to the wall. And she said,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, what's this. Okay, they're like auditioning people
Speaker 1: for a fucking taco bell whatever. It doesn't matter. Just
Speaker 1: you're just you're just trying some ship. You're trying to
Speaker 1: like gain experiences, and that is a fucking privilege, you know.
Speaker 1: I was a waitress too, just f y. I loved
Speaker 1: I mean I thought it was because I love human
Speaker 1: beings and I loved voices and all this stuff. And
Speaker 1: it was just like a constant rotation of different people.
Speaker 1: I did cotail waitressing, I did hostessing. I then went
Speaker 1: back to coutail waitressing and then just classic waitress. And
Speaker 1: I also waited tables for probably seven eight years. I
Speaker 1: hated every single minute of it, and I was fired
Speaker 1: from every job that I ever had, but they were
Speaker 1: some of the best times and best friends I ever made,
Speaker 1: you know. So, like I don't love the act of serving,
Speaker 1: like I I don't like how rude people can be,
Speaker 1: but you also develop all these other relationships and I
Speaker 1: have friends that are you know, I've known now for
Speaker 1: twenty five years from waitressing. So it's not the worst
Speaker 1: thing in the world. You just have to find an
Speaker 1: environment that suits you and just start looking at everything
Speaker 1: in it, like try to just look at everything with
Speaker 1: it just a little bit more of a positivity, and
Speaker 1: I promise you it will become infectious and then opportunities
Speaker 1: will present themselves that you didn't know that we're there before. Yeah, great,
Speaker 1: thank you. And I'm definitely gonna try writing down gratitude lists.
Speaker 1: I've had people tell me to like talk to myself
Speaker 1: in the mirror doing it, but I feel like stupid
Speaker 1: doing that. So I think writing is the way to go,
Speaker 1: which I will try make sure you keep tracking of it.
Speaker 1: Twenty one days. It takes to change your energy. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah, And I think there's something very powerful
Speaker 1: that both of these women told you to start writing,
Speaker 1: you know, so there's something there. I used to journal
Speaker 1: a lot actually when I was younger, so great like us,
Speaker 1: it's a sign. Sighing girl, wonderful. Well, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for calling in Toro, Toro, thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for taking the time. I really appreciate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good luck with everything tomorrow. Keep in touch and let
Speaker 1: us know how things go. Okay, great, I will do
Speaker 1: Thank you, Bye, bye bye. I've definitely felt like that
Speaker 1: in my twenties, felt hopeless, like nothing was going to
Speaker 1: work out fucking I mean, it's it's like she's right
Speaker 1: on target, Like that's exactly at your twenties, especially when
Speaker 1: you're in your you're in the late twenties whatever, you're
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god. Yeah, you're like, what if
Speaker 1: I hit thirty and I'm still working at this like
Speaker 1: a place. Yeah, and I feel like twenties seven specifically,
Speaker 1: like you have so much stress age like that you
Speaker 1: don't even have in your thirties, but you have it
Speaker 1: in your twenties. Like if I don't get this by
Speaker 1: this certain time, everything figured out, Yeah, laur next color
Speaker 1: is Emily, She says, Dear Chelsea, my name is Emily.
Speaker 1: I'm a twenty three year old currently living in Ohio.
Speaker 1: I jumped right into law school after graduating with my
Speaker 1: BA from George Washington University in Washington, d C. I
Speaker 1: loved living on the East Coast, but the school I
Speaker 1: attend in Ohio gave me such a big scholarship that
Speaker 1: it was almost impossible to turn down. I grew up
Speaker 1: in Ohio and the majority of my family still lives here,
Speaker 1: but I have a constant worry in the back of
Speaker 1: my mind that I'm going to get stuck here. I've
Speaker 1: had it in my head that I'll move back to
Speaker 1: the East Coast once I graduate, and I'm determined to
Speaker 1: make it happen. But there's also a nagging voice in
Speaker 1: my head, keeping me up at night at least twice
Speaker 1: a week, telling me that I'll never get a job
Speaker 1: as an attorney in New York City or d C.
Speaker 1: When I go to send internship applications, oftentimes I don't
Speaker 1: even send them or apply because I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: going to get it, and I don't want to feel
Speaker 1: the rejection when it inevitably happens. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of female law students and lawyers also suffer from this
Speaker 1: sense of impostor syndrome, like I'm not intelligent enough to
Speaker 1: be a lawyer or won't be able to succeed. And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of my intrusive thoughts boiled down
Speaker 1: to that. Latically. I know I'm a very intelligent young woman.
Speaker 1: I'm a well rounded candidate, and I'm only twenty three
Speaker 1: years old with my entire career ahead of me, But
Speaker 1: right now, it's incredibly difficult for me to see all
Speaker 1: of the possibilities that will be available to me. Any
Speaker 1: advice on how to combat these feelings of imposter syndrome,
Speaker 1: or does any advice in general that you would give
Speaker 1: yourself in your twenties trying to figure out life and career.
Speaker 1: All the best, Emily, Emily, Hi, Emily, Hi, Chelsea, how
Speaker 1: are you? I'm good. This is Lake Bel she's our
Speaker 1: special guest today, and you've spoken to Catherine. We all
Speaker 1: have that voice in our head, Emily that tells us
Speaker 1: that we are not good enough, that we're not smart enough,
Speaker 1: that we're not capable enough. And that's not the real voice.
Speaker 1: You're the real voice. You got a full scholarship. You
Speaker 1: graduated or you're graduating, I have a A and then
Speaker 1: I'm almost halfway through law. Okay, yeah, you you just
Speaker 1: need to flip the script with yourself. You're just you're
Speaker 1: giving yourself an incredibly difficult time and you're not even
Speaker 1: done with a school and don't you can't not send
Speaker 1: in applications because you're scared of rejection. Then you're gonna
Speaker 1: end up exactly where you are. You have to take
Speaker 1: leaps of faith and you have to be prepared to
Speaker 1: be rejected. It's okay. The more times you get rejected,
Speaker 1: the closer you are to getting your real job. Hey man,
Speaker 1: you know what rejection is one hundred thousand percent about
Speaker 1: the human experience, Like you have to If you didn't
Speaker 1: have rejection, you wouldn't appreciate anything you I mean, you
Speaker 1: know this. Even being in school, you're like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try really hard on this and then you're gonna
Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna give you criticism, and then you're
Speaker 1: gonna learn from that fucking criticism, right, So that that
Speaker 1: is that's it. You're doing it, But you gotta apply
Speaker 1: like the idea that you're putting up roadblocks, for yourself
Speaker 1: and like creating your own like you're you're creating a
Speaker 1: false store, like a false narrative about yourself, Like you're
Speaker 1: basically out to get yourself, is what you're doing. So
Speaker 1: you need to get on your own team. You have
Speaker 1: to be your best ambassador because unless you believe in you, like,
Speaker 1: how are other people going to believe in you. You've
Speaker 1: got the skills, you're getting the education, you've got the tools.
Speaker 1: You're good looking, that's a bonus. Thank you, You're gorgeous,
Speaker 1: you're smart at hell, listen, what are can I just
Speaker 1: ask you personally, what is it about that, that idea
Speaker 1: of staying in Ohio. I'm just curious, why is that
Speaker 1: negative for you? I wouldn't say it's so much a
Speaker 1: negative obviously, because I don't want you to get like
Speaker 1: Midwest slander here. I love the mid West. I loved
Speaker 1: growing up in the Midwest. But I think after I
Speaker 1: left and went to underground in DC, I loved d C.
Speaker 1: D C was home. I think I just realized that
Speaker 1: I don't picture myself living here or working here long term,
Speaker 1: and so I guess I just kind of had it
Speaker 1: in my head that when I came back I was like,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, like I cannot, I can't get stuck here.
Speaker 1: So it's not so much a negative. And it's wonderful
Speaker 1: being close to family since I was away for four years.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when I get stressed about this, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is such a Champagne problem, Like you poor thing, You're
Speaker 1: in law school, Like, so what if you don't get
Speaker 1: a job right away where you want, You're still going
Speaker 1: to have a job and these degrees, um, So it's
Speaker 1: not so much a negative. It's just I think I'm
Speaker 1: so very type A focus and so I just I
Speaker 1: have to have a plan of where I'm going to go,
Speaker 1: and I think that uncertainty of not in undergrad I
Speaker 1: was going to law school, so that was the plan
Speaker 1: I was. I was always a plan, and so I
Speaker 1: think now it's it's just uncomfortable to kind of sit
Speaker 1: with it. I am Type A two. So I just
Speaker 1: want to speak to this really quickly. I really freaking
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. And all I can say
Speaker 1: is you don't know where you're going to end up.
Speaker 1: And I know that's a hard pill to swallow, but
Speaker 1: you could have opportunity in San Francisco. You don't know
Speaker 1: You could be in Chicago for two years. You're in
Speaker 1: school right now. All your only concentration is be great today.
Speaker 1: Do things that make you proud for the hard work
Speaker 1: that you're doing, like pat yourself on the goddamn back
Speaker 1: and apply everywhere. It might be New York, it might
Speaker 1: be d C. You know, it might be sand for
Speaker 1: I don't know if I keep saying sand Fran for you,
Speaker 1: I don't know why. But the point is you just
Speaker 1: don't know. And that's a delight. God. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. Another thing like you young people do not
Speaker 1: understand how nice it is to not have your life
Speaker 1: mapped out for you. You're on the precipice of the
Speaker 1: beginning of the rest of your life. This is exciting,
Speaker 1: and being uncertain about where that's gonna be is also exciting.
Speaker 1: I understand your type A, and that's not exciting to you.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel exciting. But when you look at it
Speaker 1: from like a thirty thousand foot perspective, everything is about
Speaker 1: to begin for you. You don't know who you're going
Speaker 1: to fall in love with, how many times you're gonna
Speaker 1: fall in love, what kind of cities you're gonna get
Speaker 1: to experience, what kind of work life you're gonna get
Speaker 1: to experience. And I mean being present like in the moment.
Speaker 1: It is a very hard skill to develop as a
Speaker 1: young person. I'm sure because I didn't develop it until
Speaker 1: a few years ago. But like, if you can just
Speaker 1: be present in the uncertainty, that's a huge gift and
Speaker 1: it will be a huge life lesson for you to understand, Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a process. While you're applying to all these things,
Speaker 1: it's okay to just give it up and give it away,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And let it happen the
Speaker 1: way it's supposed to happen, and things will come your way,
Speaker 1: and then you'll make decisions about where you're gonna go
Speaker 1: and where you're gonna live. I don't think you're gonna
Speaker 1: stay in Ohio. I don't think you have to worry
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, people, you're fine. People who stay in
Speaker 1: Ohio really want to stay in Ohio. Yeah, you you'll
Speaker 1: just go out of You're not going to be in Ohio.
Speaker 1: We're both sitting here going like, she's not gonna even
Speaker 1: be in it. You don't want to be You're not
Speaker 1: gonna So just apply everywhere else, you know, and let
Speaker 1: it and let the surf take you, let the currents
Speaker 1: take you to wherever that's gonna be. And then additionally,
Speaker 1: you did say something which was, you know, it just
Speaker 1: feels so uncomfortable and that I really relate to. Guess what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable. There are times in life where it will
Speaker 1: just be uncomfortable, and that is harder as a young person.
Speaker 1: You're like, wait, what, Like, how do I fix it?
Speaker 1: There's no, it's just that ambiguity I know is torture.
Speaker 1: But you gotta reframe and see it as promise for
Speaker 1: the unknown. It's a wonder. God damn, it's cool. You know,
Speaker 1: we're you know once again, San Francisco could be SANFC.
Speaker 1: You could live in San Francisco for San Francisco. I
Speaker 1: don't know what really selling Sanford's you should apply you
Speaker 1: should apply to. It's like you're looking down instead of
Speaker 1: looking up, you know, look up. Yeah. My best friend Liza,
Speaker 1: we always talk about it, and she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you would never tell me don't apply to that, You're
Speaker 1: not good enough. She's like, so why would you say
Speaker 1: that to yourself. She's like, that's not fair. She's like,
Speaker 1: you're kind of short. Changing yourself, which is true. Liza
Speaker 1: is correct. Where's Liza? Goddamn she's lovely. You don't even
Speaker 1: call her if you have a line in your life.
Speaker 1: Listen to Liza. A new podcast coming soon. She's like,
Speaker 1: it's Liza Menela. Actually, so two things. I think the
Speaker 1: sending out applications is this thing that feels kind of
Speaker 1: like weird and uncomfortable and squishy and weirdly embarrassing. So
Speaker 1: you think somebody's gonna be reading it, and like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, making a numbers game. You know, the person
Speaker 1: who's reading this is going through a lot of different stuff,
Speaker 1: and so they're not gonna unless it's totally egregious. They're
Speaker 1: not going to be looking at your resume or whatever
Speaker 1: and be like, oh my gosh, what a joke. So,
Speaker 1: you know, give yourself a number, make it kind of
Speaker 1: low and achievable, whether it's like two or three a week.
Speaker 1: Just be like, I'm sending out two or three a week.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonna do. And like just making a
Speaker 1: numbers game, and after you get a certain amount of reps,
Speaker 1: it just feels like, Okay, here's another one, here's another one,
Speaker 1: and that stuff goes away. The other thing, I will say,
Speaker 1: I grew up around lawyers. I know a lot of lawyers.
Speaker 1: My early career was in marketing specifically for lawyers, and
Speaker 1: I know a lot of very dumb lawyers. You are
Speaker 1: smart enough to be a lawyer. What kind of law
Speaker 1: are you practicing? So you know? The ultimate dream I
Speaker 1: think would be I made her in history and undergrad
Speaker 1: and focus on Holocaust studies, war crimes, all of that.
Speaker 1: So I think the ultimate dream would be international human
Speaker 1: rights law. Wow, even if that's something that I have
Speaker 1: to I have to work another job just to do
Speaker 1: that pro bono. That's kind of ultimately where I want
Speaker 1: to end up. Now, that's cool, that's interesting. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could do that anywhere in the world. Year Turriffic.
Speaker 1: You're fucking great. I can't wait for your career. You
Speaker 1: have to get in touch with a law Clooney and
Speaker 1: and go do it with her in London. She said,
Speaker 1: she's a human rights lawyer d C. I think you've
Speaker 1: got to get to d C. Yeah, yeah, and she
Speaker 1: was in DC and loved it. Right, let's get you
Speaker 1: to d C. Rights taken away soon anyway, So you
Speaker 1: get just go straight and work within this own country,
Speaker 1: you don't know? Yeah, perfect, But anyway, do you feel better?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you have a better outlook on
Speaker 1: this or can start to cultivate one? Yes, for sure.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why I love your podcast so much.
Speaker 1: It's just everyone's questions are valid, and so I think,
Speaker 1: of course I think worrying about that. I was again
Speaker 1: like I feel like it's a champagne problem, Like how
Speaker 1: dare I worry about that when I'm in like this now?
Speaker 1: But don't even say that stuff to yourself, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You keep a rating yourself. Why am
Speaker 1: I worrying I'm not good enough? And now I'm mad
Speaker 1: at myself for saying I'm not good enough? Just go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just have to. I know I'm saying you just
Speaker 1: have to. It's it's a process, but you have to
Speaker 1: believe in yourself. You have to know that all of
Speaker 1: these steps are going to lead to something. There's no
Speaker 1: way that they won't, right, And just every time you
Speaker 1: have that negative thought, just go uh no and say
Speaker 1: the opposite thing to yourself. You know, you are going
Speaker 1: to New York, pretend you're talking to lies, you know, like,
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't say that to fucking Liza, you know,
Speaker 1: so just be a friend to yourself. Yeah, yeah, good, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get bumper stickers for that and send it
Speaker 1: to other think like a man. Well, thank you for
Speaker 1: calling in. Yeah, thank you. I take care and keep
Speaker 1: us posted. Okay. I will thank you so much again
Speaker 1: by such a female support. Yes, okay, Well we'll take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be right back to wrap
Speaker 1: up with Chelsea and like, and we're back with lake Bell.
Speaker 1: We are concluding our episode today. Yes, Like, do you
Speaker 1: have any advice you'd like to ask for from Chelsea? Oh?
Speaker 1: My god, gosh, Chelsea, to be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: was sitting there looking at you, and I was like,
Speaker 1: some of your realizations sometimes I think come from plant
Speaker 1: medicine and your kind of openness in and around that,
Speaker 1: and I really am curious about it. And I wonder
Speaker 1: what are the prerequisites that you think one needs. I've
Speaker 1: never done and like ayahuasca, and I would be curious
Speaker 1: if you could give me some advice. Do you take
Speaker 1: mushrooms ever? I micro dose? Yeah, micro dose mushrooms. Mushrooms
Speaker 1: I think are connected. You know, all those psychedelics I
Speaker 1: think are connected. I think plant based medicine is a
Speaker 1: way to open up all sorts of things, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm about to do a five gram sit with
Speaker 1: my friend who's going to guide me of mushrooms. Because
Speaker 1: the ayahuasca is a special situation and it gives you
Speaker 1: this you kind of look at your life outside of
Speaker 1: your life. Mushrooms, I think gives you a philosophy and
Speaker 1: you're able to open up and like, get rid of judgment,
Speaker 1: get rid of ego. I'm always trying to get rid
Speaker 1: of my ego, which is very difficult to do in
Speaker 1: this industry and business. It's almost like futile, it feels.
Speaker 1: But I think ayahuasca for anyone who's open minded, as
Speaker 1: long as you're not on you know, a bunch of antidepressants.
Speaker 1: You can't do it on that stuff. I think most
Speaker 1: people have a pretty eye opening awakening experience and you
Speaker 1: walk away from it definitely different. I mean, iowaska change
Speaker 1: my relationship with my sister forever and it's never gone
Speaker 1: back to what it was. So I would always be
Speaker 1: an ambassador for anyone who thinks that they are open
Speaker 1: minded enough if you don't mind possibly vomiting, and some
Speaker 1: people ship their pants. So that's not a plus, that's
Speaker 1: a minus. But you know, I always have an advocate
Speaker 1: for anything that's going to expand your thinking. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. I just I am somewhat in all of
Speaker 1: it and excited by it and curious about it. But
Speaker 1: I'm a little scared and so I was just that
Speaker 1: was genuine. Yeah, I think scared is good. Also, you know,
Speaker 1: it's good for us to do things that scare us.
Speaker 1: It's good for us to go through that screen of
Speaker 1: fear that we all fear. Like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be safe all the time. There's a lot in our
Speaker 1: lives that are safe, and then there's a lot that
Speaker 1: are unknown, and it is good to walk through fear.
Speaker 1: I think when, especially when you are feelful of something,
Speaker 1: you get through it, you have a great experience. It
Speaker 1: makes you want to do more things, you know, it
Speaker 1: makes you want to under standing on a deeper level.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm always I would say, yes, go for it.
Speaker 1: The only person I've told not to do it is
Speaker 1: Juliana Marketles because I think she's just good as as
Speaker 1: good as she is, Like, she's just set, she doesn't
Speaker 1: need anything, Okay, all right, Well, alright, guys, I will
Speaker 1: take that glass of Ayouaska. Thank you so much. I
Speaker 1: just turned to the wall. Report back. You in the wall,
Speaker 1: report back and let us know how your journey was.
Speaker 1: Thank you though. That was very that was that was encouraging.
Speaker 1: Al Right, guys, this has been so fun. I just
Speaker 1: feel like this is like sisterhood. I know that was nice.
Speaker 1: We gave a lot of girls pep talks today. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Lake Bell. I'll see you soon, see you soon. Bye.
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