1 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: What's up, guys. Welcome into a brand new episode of 2 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: Chargers Weekly, as always, joined by Matt Bunny Smith Bunny 3 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: mid July. We're two weeks from training camp. I feel 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: like it's going a little slower. I think maybe just 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: because we need football. Well, look, I think the good 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: thing is is I feel like we have some football. 7 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: Is a Chargers football, No, But you know, with the 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: Big Twelve meeting, obviously, with the USC UCLA departure to 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: the Big Ten, we've got the Lamar Jackson Bernard Pollard feud. 10 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: We of course had Baker getting traded to the Panthers. 11 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: We're awaiting the outcome that does directly affect the Chargers 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: of the Deshaun Watson suspension. What will that number look like? 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: What quarterback or the Charger's going to be playing in 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: Week five. So the good news is, I believe for 15 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: all you football freaks, and by freaks, I mean those 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: of you that are visiting you know, Chargers dot Com 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: and football websites between now in the next three weeks, 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: when every other player is in Europe or Hawaii like 19 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: Chris was last week, or somewhere, I feel like we 20 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: got a little something for you. You know that the 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: football world has given us enough to quench that thirst. Wait, 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: give me up to speed on Lamar Jackson, Bernard Pollard. 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: So Pollard, I just I guess, you know, unsolicited decided 24 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: to post a tweet or did something on social media. 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: I don't know where it was, if it was Twitter 26 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: or something, but he basically said, look, you know, Lamar's great, 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: but receivers aren't going to play for him. And then 28 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: I think what really kind of got Lamar was at 29 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: the end He's like, he just doesn't throw it that well, 30 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: Like that's where I think it kind of took that 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: nasty turn. So then you know, Lamar goes back, who 32 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: the hell are you? I've never even heard of you. Oh, 33 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,279 Speaker 1: you never heard of me. I got a Super Bowl 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: you can call me champ and whatever. I looked it up. 35 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: You had to play two tackles way to go or 36 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: those game changing tackles kind of doesn't matter. I win 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: playoff game, you know. So it's that four and that 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: of course, then then brings up the Lamar Jackson contract. 39 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you saw, but I did. 40 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: I think we did. We bring us up last week. 41 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: I don't remember if we did or not the ESPN 42 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: Quarterback Poll. Maybe we didn't because I think it might 43 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: have just posted so Jeremy Fowler, Yeah, this is going 44 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: to go ahead. Honestly, I wanted to go through some 45 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: of these positions that the Jeremy Fowler. So, Jeremy Fowler 46 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: is basically doing this this top ten at each position group, right, 47 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: And it's not his it's not his right. That's what 48 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: people aren't understanding. It's like, listen, it says it right 49 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: there in the headline. It is. It's it's executive coaches 50 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: play a players, right is yes, executives coaches players. There 51 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: are fifty of them. All he did was send out 52 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: a fill in your top ten and then I will 53 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: do the aggregate. I will tell you what the numbers are, 54 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: and I will post some of the problems for Jeremy Fowler. Dude, 55 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: he's probably loves it, Kidney, He's loving it. He's like, 56 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: this is great, you know, because anybody that comes super hard, 57 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: he can just say, you're you're barking up the wrong tree. Meanwhile, 58 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: everybody wants to know Jerryman followers and follow him and 59 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: because he's done the legwork, you know, to put this 60 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: thing together to Khalat and aggregate, and we got ourselves 61 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: top tens. But obviously Lamar Jackson the hot button topic 62 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: there because he wasn't in the top ten, you know, 63 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: and for Charger fans Keenan Allen. But there's a reason 64 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: why he was regularly cited as the most underrated receiver 65 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: in the NFL because again outside of the top ten, 66 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: despite the numbers converting catches for first downs, the third 67 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: down receptions, all of that, you know, for whatever reason 68 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: just isn't quite translating. But again, these are players, executives 69 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: and coaches. These are guys that no football. So I 70 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: do think it is their opinions are worthy. The one 71 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: thing that I do find interesting and I had I 72 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: had a Heisman Trophy voter, tell me this who is 73 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: in college football? And he said, I don't, like, I 74 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: don't really know why I've got to vote. He's like, 75 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't watch football. I'm playing football. I'm 76 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: studying tape. Like I am not watching all of these candidates. 77 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: But you know, you can't say no when they come 78 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: to you. So I said, yes, She's like, but so 79 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: that's the interesting thing about the executives, coaches and players 80 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: is It's like, how much are they really watching of 81 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: all thirty two thirty one other teams in the league 82 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: weekend and week out to compile these lists. Justin Herbert 83 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: was number seven on that list. Let me see the 84 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: guys ahead of him. Matthew Stafford six, Borrow five, Brady 85 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: for Allan three, Mahomes two, Rogers one. I mean, can't 86 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: have much beef with that now, Yeah, I mean I 87 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: think I think the big one is I think the 88 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: big two in there are probably Stafford and Burrow. You 89 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: know how much of that is recency bias? Is it? 90 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: Because you know, Matthew Stafford was with the Rams, went 91 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl and he had that you know, 92 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: incredible throw on a busted coverage to Cooper Cup. He 93 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: had the no look and the Super Bowl. You know 94 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: that got a lot of attention. Joe Burrow, of course, 95 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: you know, get sacked nine times against Tennessee and yet 96 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: still has the toughness to get out of that game. 97 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: So those are like the two that I circle. I mean, 98 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: like he can't argue. You know, if coaches and executives 99 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: and players want to go into into a game with 100 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, fine, you know I get 101 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: and obviously Patrick Mahomes and what Josh Allen has now 102 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: done is he's built upon his successes every single year 103 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: and gotten better. I get that as well. So I 104 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: think the more interesting I think the more interesting question 105 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: would be who do you want? You know, who do 106 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: you want for this season? And I don't quite know 107 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: if that's how it was phrased. Hey, who are the 108 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: top ten quarterbacks? And you know, I think if you 109 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: wrote who do you want to quarterback your team in 110 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, I think that list would be a 111 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: little bit different. Yeah, agreed. And if the Chargers would 112 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: have beaten the Raiders and gotten into the postseason, I 113 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: think Justin would have been probably the top three, four 114 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: or five, right, And you know what, like that's and 115 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: it's funny, Chris, like that's what If you go to 116 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: the see if I can pull up the list there, 117 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: if you go to the comment on Herbert it, you know, 118 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: it basically says, you know, it's yeah, it says like 119 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't have that playoff win, and it's like, Okay, 120 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: I get that, but it's a top five offense. He's 121 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: a top three quarterback. The defense was a bottom five defense. 122 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: It certainly let the offense down. I don't think there's 123 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: any two ways to look at it, you know. So, yes, 124 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: I know they did not get into the playoffs, but 125 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: they lost. Of their eight losses, I think, I want 126 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: to say, four of them where when they scored over 127 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: twenty five points. So it's like, okay, I get that 128 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: narrative at the same because that's what a lot of 129 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: people were saying about Lamar, like how you gonna how 130 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: are you gonna put a guy like Justin Herbert and 131 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: not it's never been to the playoffs when Lamar has 132 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: won an MVP, has won a playoff game, and it's like, well, 133 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: he's played on a team that's had, in the conversation, 134 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: the best defense in the league, or at least the 135 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: top five defense in the league, year in and year out. 136 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: So da man, look, that's what those that's what That's 137 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: why it's being posted the second week of July so 138 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: we can have these conversations and charger Fins and everybody 139 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: that likes football can get all fired up and freak 140 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: out on social media about what the list look like. 141 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: How about the safety list like this one? I was 142 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: if you're gonna put Dorwood at number four because of injury. Yeah, 143 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: that's fine, and I think that's probably what it was. 144 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: That's what it was, I think. But listen, Justin Simmons 145 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: is a really good player. Makea Fitzpatrick is a really 146 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: good player, and he's made an impact on that defense. 147 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: He turns the ball over. Kevin Bayer has been doing 148 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: it for a long time, but you can't tell. Drwin 149 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: is the most impactful player. I think when he's out there, 150 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: like he can change a game. And I see him 151 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: at number four, I'm like, dude, like, maybe just wait 152 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: this year. He's got all this talent around him. I 153 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: think he he'll show what he did in twenty eighteen 154 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: is the first team All pros a rookie was a 155 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: big reason why they went twelve and four that year. 156 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: So it's funny, like just hearing you say it, and 157 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: it's and look, I think it's a natural response, you know, 158 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: when you got your guy and you want to take 159 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: up for your guy. It's like, guys, there's sixty four 160 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: starting safeties and he's I know what you mean though, 161 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: but it's funny, like how because I thought the same thing. 162 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't take any of those guys over Durwin. 163 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: But that's because I'm biased, you know, But I totally 164 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: understand making the case for Justin Simmons and meeting Fitzpatrick 165 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: and Kevin Byrd. I get it, you know. I totally 166 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: can see why the people in Tennessee are upset that 167 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: Buyer's not number one in Pittsburgh that Meeko Fitzpatrick is 168 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: at number one. So I can totally understand that. But again, 169 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: these are these are players, coaches and executives, and maybe 170 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: they don't get to see every snap or watch every 171 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: minute of tape. But it's nice to see the Chargers 172 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: even though Keenan Allen and Austin Ekeler were in the 173 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: honorable mention and just outside looked like they were eleven 174 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: in both of those categories, which I think is especially 175 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: for Eckler, you know, criminally low. To me, the idea 176 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: that you would take Najy Harris nothing against him over 177 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: Eckler is just crazy to me. I mean, it was 178 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: it was all volume last year, and he's I do 179 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: believe he's going to be a really good runner. But 180 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: it's like, you can't tell me that that one season 181 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: of Harris was better than what Austin Ekeler is put 182 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: together in his career twenty total touchdowns. Yeah, man, I mean, 183 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: come on, like there's a difference between like fantasy impact 184 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: and in game impact, and I get that, but like 185 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: Austin really did change the offense for Herbert too. He 186 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: and I think they said, like he's such an asset 187 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: to Justine Herbert. One of the executives said, it's so true. 188 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: The Keenan thing is, you know, he just consistently does 189 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: what he does. It's happened his whole career. Yeah, it's 190 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: just to me, like the Keenan. Mike Williams though, was 191 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: in that honorable mention though I think I saw him 192 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: in US. Mike Williams was in the Honorable And look, 193 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: there's like the thing with the you can go through 194 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: them all, you know, you can have an issue with 195 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: where they have Joey, but then you kind of see 196 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: like that's the thing to me when I when I 197 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: was looking at it, like here, I'll pull up the 198 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: top ten safeties right now when you go to Derwin 199 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: highest ranking two. So it's like, Okay, there's people that 200 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: are like I put him at one, but but maybe 201 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: the injuries, you know, have kind of left it. So 202 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: that's like, okay, so you've got people that are putting 203 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: Derwin it two. Now, then you also see people that 204 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: like not in the top ten, and you wonder what 205 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: the heck they're thinking. But you look at like quarterbacks, 206 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: and when you go to Herbert, even though he's at 207 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: number seven, and you see highest ranking five, you know, 208 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: and lowest ranking of the top ten, who's putting ten 209 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: quarterbacks against you know, over Herbert, that's just crazy. So 210 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: that's that gives you an idea of kind of what 211 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: what you're looking at in these lists. Edge Rushers stood 212 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: out to me because four of them are from the 213 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: AFC West, right in two teams, right, the Raiders in 214 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: the Chargers, and then you know, you get Chubb and Gregory. 215 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: Was Chubb and Gregory They weren't in the top ten, right, 216 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: I don't think, no, no, neither of them were there. 217 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: Or was Randy Gregory in there? He might have been, 218 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: I don't remember, but honorable mention, let me pull it out. 219 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: I think they're already. I just saw a report they're 220 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: having issues with him health wise already, and obviously that 221 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: was the big issue with him in Dallas. They were 222 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: being a little bit coy about whether or not just 223 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: gonna be ready for training camp. Yeah no, Randy Gregory, 224 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: he didn't even make honorable mention. So yeah, so neither 225 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: of the Broncos rushers. And yet you got the Raiders 226 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: and Chargers with four of them in that list. The 227 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: bridge between Keenan and Mike, it's gotten smaller. I almost 228 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: feel like Mike, maybe if we're talking fantasy like, he 229 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: may be the better play in terms of touchdown production 230 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: and the way that Justin looked to him, especially towards 231 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: the back half of last year. I wish like this 232 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: could be the year that that Mike puts himself in 233 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: that kind of one A category with Keenan. Yeah, I think, 234 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: you know, I just had this conversation. It's funny. I 235 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: had this conversation yesterday with a ten with a nine 236 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: year old. My buddy's a friend of mine that I 237 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: served with his two sons who just kind of it's 238 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: an interesting conversation too, And I had never thought about 239 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: it because we're all, you know, so much of this 240 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: is anecdotal, and you know, we all live in our 241 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: own little bubble. But you know, my kids are older 242 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: and his kids are younger, and his mom was saying, 243 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: because of the pandemic, you know, there were no use sports. 244 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: She's like, you know, my sons are six and four 245 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: at the time, and we're just getting ready to put 246 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: him in a little league or flag football, and there's nothing, 247 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: like there's there's nothing we can do. There's no organized sports. 248 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: So it almost kind of like stunted their passion for 249 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: the sports because they didn't play them yet. And so 250 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, we'd watch football or something, but 251 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: they just would they weren't as invested. And so like 252 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: in the last year, as they've now started playing flag football, 253 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: they've become football obsessed, these two little boys. And it 254 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: was just funny, and they had kind of prepared these 255 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: these little sheets that they were reading to me because like, oh, 256 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: did you know that Keenan Allen last year had over 257 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: a thousand yards and over one hundred cat just cute 258 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: little things like that. And then they his brother would 259 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: come up with and Mike Williams had the most receiving 260 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: yards in his career, and they said, which one do 261 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: you like more? And I said, well, I like them 262 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: both the same, and I The interesting thing though about 263 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: football is, you know, and this is the old Daniel 264 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: Jeremiahs and I can't remember who he credited with coming 265 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: up with it. I said, but you guys play basketball too, 266 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: and wide receiver cores or like basketball teams, you want 267 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: to have a center, someone who's big and can rebound 268 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: and you know, and and and catch those contested balls 269 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: in the end zone and you know, or on the sideline. 270 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: And then you want to have that point guard who's 271 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: got the vision to see things before they happen. And 272 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: that's kind of keen in and and as we wise, 273 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: I said, what do you guys think, like, which guy 274 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: would you rather have? The big, strong, you know, he's 275 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: gonna box you out and rebound, or the guy that's 276 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: got the great vision. And it was funny each of 277 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: them picked the other one. Oh, I like I like dribbling, 278 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: I like seeing the floor and they're they're like, no, 279 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: I like beating people up. And I said, well, that's 280 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: what the Chargers have, and that's what makes a great 281 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: wide receiver corpse. You kind of have to have each 282 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: of those buckets, you know, And that's there. And I 283 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: think that's a big reason why. And I know it 284 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: was written. I think it was written in that piece too, 285 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: Chris Um. I think that's a big reason why it 286 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: was so important for them to bring Mike backs. Those 287 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: two just compliment each other so well. Um, you know, 288 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: the way they play the position and what you know, 289 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: what their talents are and what has asked of them 290 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: and what they provide, you know, weekend week out. It 291 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: really plays well off of one another. You're having very 292 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: nuanced conversations with Night. It's probably a better conversation than 293 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: with me. Money. Maybe we kids, Maybe we get these 294 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: kids on the on the pod before we get to camp. Though. 295 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: I think halfway through that explanation they were like already 296 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: cutting their pancakes and putting a little bit of all right, man, 297 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: I just okay whatever uh that was. It was. It 298 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: was fun though, And I think that's but look, that's 299 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: I think speaks to that's what's you know, Okay, who's 300 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: your favorite wide who's the best wide receiver? And they 301 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: they all do things that are so different, you know, 302 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: and and you know, like Davante Adams and Mike Evans 303 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: are two completely different receivers, you know, as is Stefan Diggs, 304 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: as is DeAndre Hopkins. Like each of those names on 305 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: that list. You know, they they offer something very different 306 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: from one another. You know, I'll tease this. We we 307 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: did this, uh this serious crossfire with Dame Brugler that's 308 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: going to come out here over the next month or so. 309 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: And we had Steve Weish talk in training camp battles, 310 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: Greg Kaseell talk in AFC West, and Nate Tice talking 311 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: just general NFL previews. But one of the topics, I 312 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: forget what it was. It was like which player is 313 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: going to take the biggest leap in twenty twenty two? 314 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: And I think Joshua Palmer is a guy for me 315 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: that if he takes that leap, And I'm relating it 316 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: back to fantasy too, It's like Justin for me is 317 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: like a top two, top three fantasy quarterback. Mike Keenan, Gerald, 318 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: Austin Eckler, Joshua Palmer, all these guys. He's gonna throw 319 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: the ball too. I don't know if I necessarily want 320 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: Mike or Keenan as my wide receiver, like I feel 321 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: good about, like maybe a low end wide receiver two 322 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: for one of those guys from like a fantasy perspective, 323 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: because Justin's gonna spread the ball around like Gerald Evert 324 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: is another guy that his name came up is you know, 325 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: Lobardi loves the tight end. Evertt's career has gotten better 326 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: each and every year. He's got the best quarterback he's 327 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: ever had. So like, I look at this this Chargers offense, 328 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: and I look at Justin as that one constant like 329 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: in fantasy like, that's the guy you want, and then 330 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: all these other complimentary pieces are like, uh, you know, 331 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: wide receiver two like like for me, like I love 332 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: Austin Ekeler. I've seen Austins as high as like a 333 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: running back two, running back three, But I think I'd 334 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: prefer to have him as my second running back, which 335 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: means I probably won't get him because I think Isaiah 336 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: Spiller is going to cut into some of that touchdown 337 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: production that he had last season. Yeah, I think the 338 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: thing with Austin and why, Like I'd be fine taking 339 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: Austin in the top five of fantasy drafts. It's especially 340 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: because everything's PPR now and he's just he is so good, 341 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: if not the best, you know, legitimate runner, Like he's 342 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: gonna get you rushing yards. He's gonna sniff a thousand 343 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: rushing yards and probably you know eight to ten rushing touchdowns, 344 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: but man, he catches it so well. And I think, 345 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, I think the thing with Justin is there's 346 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: so much of those there and and I'm gonna and 347 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: I think, you know, we'll get into this in a minute. 348 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: It's something that I kind of just found so interesting 349 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: over the last week that I've consumed and I wanted 350 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: to share with the people that are listening. Repurposing other 351 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: people's hard work and content. I'm very good at that. 352 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: It's what July is all about, exactly. But I like, 353 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: I won't be surprised if, as crazy as it sounds, 354 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: with twenty total touchdowns, Like, I will not be surprised 355 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: if if Austin has as good, if not a better 356 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: year because of really because yes, I think because he's 357 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: if there is a legitimate spell back for him to 358 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: take a series off, to take some plays off, I 359 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: think he's going to be more effective. I just I 360 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: believe that to be the case. I think just last year, 361 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately Josh Kelly and Larry Rountree, they just 362 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: weren't able to do it. And I think he was 363 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: forced to probably do too much and in turn get 364 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: a little banged up. You know and miss some time 365 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: and miss some serie series, whereas I think it's one 366 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: of those less is more, you know, when you're gonna 367 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: use him less, he's going to have more chuse and 368 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: that's gonna mean bigger plays, and that's gonna mean deeper routes, 369 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: and that's gonna mean, you know, more valuable touches. You know. 370 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: Let let Spiller, you know, deal with it between the 371 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: twenties and you know Austin and how strong he is 372 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: and how he never goes down on first contact. Bring 373 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: him in when it's first in goal instead of a 374 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: rookie because you feel a little bit better about that 375 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: veteran presence and kind of knowing, hey, things change, you know, Okay, 376 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: now we're inside, now we're goal to go. Things change. 377 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: I think about Josh Kelly stretching that ball out from 378 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: the three yard lane. Yeah, that's not that that's not 379 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: going to work, you know, And I think that's where 380 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: you could still see a lot of production from Austin. 381 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: Spiller is so fascinating. I think in my mind, and 382 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: maybe it's the incorrect way to look at it, is 383 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: that like I just in my mind, I feel like 384 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: he's going to take the rain. Then he's gonna have 385 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: a really good season and there's gonna be series where 386 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: they say, you know what, Austin take like you said, 387 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: take the series off. Isaiah's going to carry the load. 388 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: And and I'm I guess maybe I'm just hopeful. I'm 389 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: hopefully they get to a point where maybe both of 390 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: them are on the field at the same time, right, 391 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: and Austin is used as a wide receiver more with 392 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: Isaiah in the backfield, and there's just another added dimension 393 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: to the offense that really kind of takes it over 394 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: the top. So I don't know if it's just being hopeful, 395 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: and I mean, look at it, there's another wrong with that. 396 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it is being hopeful. You know, it's rookie. 397 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: We were hopeful with Larry Roundtree, who did it in 398 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: the SEC. And I can remember having these conversations a 399 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: year ago, you know, like, hey, man, here's a guy 400 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: to put a fifteen hundred yards in the SEC, you know, 401 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: on Missouri and he's got to do it in the 402 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: SEC West against Alabama and Texas A and M and LSU. 403 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: When he was able to do it, and we got excited, 404 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: and it just so I guess that's where you know, 405 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're glass half full, I'm glass half empty. 406 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: By no means my glass half empty. I'm just it's 407 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: now been two years in a row where I had 408 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: a chance to you know, we had a chance to watch, 409 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, Josh Kelly humiliate USC, I mean humiliate them, 410 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: and the most important game of the season for both 411 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: of those teams, and he throws up two hundred and 412 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: fifty yards and is just running over those guys, and 413 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm geeked to the Nimes that he's going to be 414 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: a charger and then it just unfortunately did not work 415 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: out as well as as we had hoped. So I 416 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: guess for me, I'm just a little more cautious with 417 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: the runners. I will not be surprised in the least 418 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: if Isaiah Spiller is able to do it. He's got 419 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: that shiftiness, the explosion, the strong base, it's all there. 420 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: It's it's all there, and I'm I'm hopeful that, like 421 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: you are, that it is going to translate. It's just 422 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: been two years in a row now where I've sort of, 423 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: I don't want to say fallen into the trap, but 424 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, fallen in love with a rookie runner before 425 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: he ever took a snap and for whatever reason, just 426 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, didn't quite work out. Yeah, so what were 427 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: you consuming this July? So it's so it's funny. You know, 428 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: I was thinking back to be an inside Sofi Stadium 429 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: and that crazy dance team and the you know the 430 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: club that the DJ on the ones and twos with 431 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: the violin and the thumping music and Snoop Dogg and 432 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: thirty thousand people inside so Far for the draft party 433 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: and hey, we're gonna hang out and we're on the 434 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: stage and this is great and you know, what do 435 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: you think? And how about this? And who are they 436 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: gonna take? And then the pick comes and you know, 437 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what people were hopeful of. I mean, 438 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: we talked about all the different names, right and Jamison 439 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: Williams might he be there? And you know, could it 440 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: be you know, do you take a do you take 441 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: a running back that high as hall? Like, would you 442 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: do that that high? And people get excited about skill 443 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: position players and they took Zion Johnson, the number one 444 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: guard in the draft. Um and you know now that 445 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: we've had the you know, the chance to see Zion 446 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: in person, and just what a mammoth human being he is, 447 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: and how he's, how he's built, and how strong he looks. 448 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: I never really thought. I didn't think too much about it. 449 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: I thought about our conversations that we had on the 450 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: pod about well, you know, this is a kind of 451 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: sweet spot of where usually the first interior lineman can 452 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: go off the board and it's the top rated player 453 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: at his position. So Zach Keefer of The Athletic did 454 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: a podcast series called Luck that's all about Andrew Luck 455 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: and it starts from Stanford and it goes through his 456 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: retirement and how is it? And you know, I was fortunate, 457 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: And when I say fortunate, I mean fortunate, like I 458 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: was Fortune's fool. Where I happened to sign on with 459 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: this company, Compass Media Networks called football games and they 460 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: had a ton of Stanford games. I must have called 461 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: four or five Stanford games a year, and it coincided 462 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: with Andrew Luck's arrival, so I got I got to 463 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: see it firsthand, and it's to this. It's the He's 464 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: the greatest college football player I've ever seen in my life. 465 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: And I can remember weekend and week out watching him 466 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: going this is incredible. This is you know, and I 467 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: called the games with Curtis Conway, who was a teammate 468 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaughs, And so I was fortunate to be on 469 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: the field when Seaway and jam are talking and just 470 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: chopping it up about what he's doing with Stanford and 471 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: Toby Gerhardt and how he's rebaking this team and flipping 472 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: guys from offense to defense and defense to offense and 473 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,479 Speaker 1: try to get some toughness on, you know, or some 474 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: skill here or there. And man, just listening to the 475 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: way he would talk about Andrew Luck and then David Shaw, 476 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: because then I was calling games with with Tony Hill, 477 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: who was friends with David's dad, Um. And so now 478 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm back on the field and I'm listening to David 479 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: Shaw talk about Andrew Luck and and all of it 480 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: is now being you know, all those conversations and those 481 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: memories I have of just feeling so blessed to be 482 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: in this this window of time to watch this player. 483 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: It's all rehashed in this podcast. How's the pot? Have 484 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: you finished? It's incredible. I can't I can't recommend it enough. 485 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: But again, I've got this investment in it, you know 486 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I'm invested in Andrew Luck because 487 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: I felt Luck. Oh I know about Andrew Luck. You 488 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: use you do not know because it's Stanford football and 489 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: you couldn't possibly know what I know. You know, It's like, 490 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: could you find a band before anybody else does and 491 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: they've become popular and you become resentful of those people 492 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: that found him later or something like that. That's kind 493 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: of how I was with Andrew Luck when he started 494 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: getting that big or when people started catching onto it. 495 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: But Tom, you know, Tom was part of that team, 496 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: and you know, he was part of that team in 497 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,239 Speaker 1: Indianapolis that had to make that decision. We are we 498 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: are going to cut someone an individual that is tied 499 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: to a franchise and means as much to a franchise 500 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: as any player in the history of the NFL has 501 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: meant to his franchise. We are going to cut Peyton 502 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: Manning and draft Andrew Luck. And they go through that decision, 503 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: and Tom was part of that. Tom was the veep 504 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: of a player personnel in Indianapolis in twenty twelve when 505 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: they made that decision. But here's how I'll tie it 506 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: all back to to the to the Chargers that that year. 507 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: If people remember Andrew Lux, you know, rookie year. It 508 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: was incredible. One eleven games won a playoff game. I 509 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: think they started they start they started like one in 510 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: three or something like that, and then they just went 511 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: on this incredible run. And it was you know, and 512 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: and I was calling NFL games, and I got to 513 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: call some of these Andrew Luck games. Now in the NFL, 514 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: by that time I had started calling NFL games. I 515 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: called that was that was the year RG three, one 516 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: of the NFC East Russell Wilson got to the playoffs. 517 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: It was like that exactly. Rookie class was awesome exactly. 518 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: And uh, and I got to call that uh Colts 519 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: Lions game that became like his signature game where they 520 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: were down like seventeen points with four minutes to go 521 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: or something, and uh, he ends up winning the game. Um. 522 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: So what I'm getting at is that rookie year. He 523 00:26:54,119 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: took a pounding, freaking pounding forty one sacks, he taken 524 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: on linebackers, He's crushing safeties, he won't slide. And I'm 525 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: thinking about Justin Herbert's rookie year, and we now know 526 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: how it ended for Luck. You know, it's sad it 527 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: is and Tom left, by the way, after that year. 528 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: So Tom's there in twenty twelve, he gets hired by 529 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: the Chargers in twenty thirteen. They never invest in the 530 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: offensive line. They keep drafting skill players. And Andrew luck 531 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: gets the absolute crap kicked out of him. Torn cartilage 532 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: in his ribs, lacerated kidney, split abdominal muscle, multiple concussions, 533 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: destroys his throwing shoulder. And that's why I walked away 534 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: at twenty nine, and that's why I missed two and 535 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: a half years or two years of football games essentially 536 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: in the middle of it all. But I think that 537 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: had a profound effect on Tom because I think he 538 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: stayed connected to Andrew his entire career, because he was 539 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: part of the team that made that decision to move 540 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: on from Peyton Manny, We're going to cut one of 541 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: the most important players in the history of the NFL, 542 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: arguably the greatest quarterback in the history of the NFL, 543 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: to draft this kid. And I think he always kept 544 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: one eye on Andrew, that he always had that relationship 545 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: with him, And by all accounts, anybody that's ever been 546 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: around Andrew talks about what an incredible person he is 547 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: and the connections he makes and how important other people 548 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: are to him. So I'm sure Tom was part of 549 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: that with him, and so I think that has a 550 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: lot to do with what he was committed to doing 551 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: after Justin's rookie year, after watching him, who was it? 552 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: Who is the Chiefs player? He took on the linebacker? 553 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: M oh it was a week two, it was the 554 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: it was the week his first start, his first start? 555 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: Was it? I can't remember? Was it Hitchins? But yeah, 556 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: not the snot out of him. So that reminds me 557 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: of the I think it was Sharise Wright. I was. 558 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: I called that game against USC that it's one of 559 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 1: the it's the greatest, It's it's the greatest college football 560 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: tackle I've ever seen. Ball was fumbled. Freaking Andrew Luck like, 561 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 1: I'm missile, destroys this corner. I mean, decle sends him 562 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: into the first row. And I thought about that hit 563 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: on the linebacker, and I'm making and now I'm putting 564 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: this all together. I'm like, dude, I guarantee Tom to LESCo, 565 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: this is what happened. And that is why after he 566 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: was the most pressured quarterback in the NFL his rookie year, 567 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: after he refused to get out of bounds, and he 568 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: would routinely take on safeties and linebackers, and he was 569 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: fine taking these hits. And he pop back up and 570 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: DJ and I are in the booth and you're talking 571 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: about it. It charges dot Com or on CBS like, Oh, 572 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: this guy's so tough, he takes on hits, he won't 573 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: go down. I totally think that's why Tom said, listen, 574 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: whatever your plans are for the twenty twenty one offseason, 575 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: scrap him. We are spending every cent on the offensive line. 576 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: We are drafting offensive line, and by all accounts, Slater slipped, 577 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: but I've heard that it was another offensive lineman they 578 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: were going to draft if Slater was gone. There was 579 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: someone that was still available that was taken a little 580 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: bit later. I don't want to share state secrets here, 581 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: but that it was going to be offensive line. They 582 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: signed Matt Feiler, they make Corey Lindsay the highest paid 583 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: Paige center in the league, and then this year we're 584 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: not done. That right side was leaky. I don't like 585 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 1: what I saw against the Raiders Zion Johnson. That's and 586 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: so when you hear when I heard that podcast, all 587 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: six episodes in the last two episodes are Gostar cheerless 588 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: La Raven Clark. They drafted this guy in of Ohio 589 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: State that busted out in this you know, in the 590 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: second round. This third round pick didn't work, and that's 591 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: why Andrew Luck is no longer playing football a big 592 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: part of it. So I think that one season and 593 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: that investment and that career defining decision that he was 594 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: part of to take Luck has led to and then 595 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: hearing all the executives and all the coaches talk about 596 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: why Andrew retired at essentially twenty eight twenty nine, I 597 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: think Tom said, this will not happen. That will not happen. 598 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: We have got the golden ticket. Justin Herbert is a 599 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: golden ticket and priority number one is making sure that 600 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: he does not. And I thought back to that, I 601 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: know I'm going on forever here, so please just jump 602 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: in as I'm going here. No, I appreciate, I I 603 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: like you're going with this and um, and I thought 604 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: back to the brilliant uh Instagram and tweet that that 605 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: Meghan put up with Rashaan Slater after he was drafted, 606 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: the parody of that's my baby, and ain't nobody finna 607 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: put her hands on him? Yeah, that's what it is. 608 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: It is this is our baby, and ain't nobody finna 609 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: put their hands on him. And that's that's the way 610 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: this is gonna move going forward. I won't be surprised 611 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: if they draft the right tackle in the first round 612 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: next year and another guard. And I just think, to me, 613 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: that's the lesson that was learned by Tom from Andrew 614 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: and he will not he will not sway from from 615 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: what he saw there. And just the matter of a year, right, 616 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: his rookie year was incredible. He was running for his life, 617 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: but he was still making plays to get Slater, to 618 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: get Filer, to get Lindsley all in the same season, 619 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: to add Zion Johnson. And you know right now, you 620 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: know Tray Hipkins. We've talked a lot about Trey and 621 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: maybe he can make that that lead. But I would 622 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: not be surprised, you know. And there's depth too that 623 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,719 Speaker 1: I think could come to the surface this year too, 624 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: where you know they've drafted guys last year and this 625 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: year that could develop. Um I was I liked it too, 626 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: Like remember when the Cowboys they had Tyrant Smith, then 627 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,959 Speaker 1: they got um Zach Martin, Mack Martin, then they got 628 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: Travis Frederick. It was like, why you get why you 629 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: get a set in the first round just to because 630 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: the offensive line is our bread and butter. And I 631 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: think that's what the Chargers a kind of replicating. And Buddy, 632 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: I you know what, I thought you were going in 633 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: a different direction with Tom and Peyton and Luck. It 634 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: just it's it's funny to me that you know, Tom 635 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: was a part of that conversation right where Peyton leaves 636 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: and Andrew luck comes in. And the parallels between Philip 637 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: Rivers moving on who wasn't ready to retire yet, yeah, 638 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: and and moving on to another team and then being 639 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: able to get Justin Herbert the very next year, just 640 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: like you did in Indianapolis with Andrew luck Um to 641 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: hit on two franchise guys to have that, you know, 642 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: And Philip mentioned it in that that interview that we 643 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: talked about last week. Yeah, you go from you go 644 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: from far Off to Rodgers, you know, as opposed to 645 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: like the Browns where you have thirty quarterbacks in twenty 646 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: five years. You go from Rivers to Herbert Um. You 647 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: have to protect that investment. And I love what you're saying, 648 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: and I think it's so important for Justin especially over 649 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: the next ten years, like he's gonna be growing with 650 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 1: Rashawn Slater. They came up together, Zion Johnson, they came 651 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: up together, Lindsley still in his prime. You know, Filer's 652 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: doing his thing. And I think you're right, like it 653 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: starts up front. Um, it's cliche, but it's true. And 654 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: I think they've done a great job. And like you said, 655 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: maybe maybe fans were wanting someone like Jamison Williams or 656 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: some of those wide receivers that we talked about, but um, 657 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: the guy who's gonna bear the most fruit. I think 658 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: that they've gotten out of jobs. Yeah, And just to 659 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: kind of to speak to that, you know, to the 660 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: drafting of Zion, you know, like the tipping point when 661 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: you know all these people just lost their minds was 662 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: you know, Andrew gets crap kicked out of him in 663 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: whatever year it was twenty fifteen or something, and they 664 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 1: with their first round trip pick draft Philip door Set 665 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: and everyone's like, what are you doing that this guy 666 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: does not need? And it was an interesting point. I 667 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: don't remember who made it, might have been Bill Polian 668 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: and of course Tom, you know, worked for Bill his 669 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 1: entire life before he got his joy and he worked 670 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: from Carolina, worked for him in Indianapolis. He was essentially 671 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,479 Speaker 1: a Bill Polian product proteject and Bill, you know, Bill 672 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: made it. I think it was Bill that made the point. 673 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: He's like Andrew Luck will make pedestrian wide receivers good. 674 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: He will make good wide receivers great. You don't need 675 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: to invest in wide receivers. You need to protect him. 676 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: That's what you have to And that's what I think 677 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: about with Justin right he does not here what the 678 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: name on the back of the jersey is, Jalen Guyden. 679 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: You're getting touchdown throws. You're getting throws on fourth down 680 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: when it heard it, we're off the field. I don't 681 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: care if you're open, I'm gonna throw it to you 682 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna expect you to catch it. T Billy? 683 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: How could we let T Billy go? Kind never got 684 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: on the field last year because Justin Herbert made him 685 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: T Billy, you know, and when he didn't have Justin 686 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: he's a practice squad player and is floating from team 687 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: to team like that's and it was an interesting point. 688 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 1: It's like, you don't, you know, think about Mike Williams's career. 689 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: You know prior to Justin, do do you think Mike 690 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 1: Williams just all of a sudden figured it out, because 691 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: it certainly seemed like he had it figured out. At 692 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: Clemson he was the best wide receiver in college football, 693 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: or at least in the conversation, is the best way? 694 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: And then there's a little bit of a lull, and 695 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: then Justin takes over and Mike takes off. That's not 696 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: that's not. You know, we can play the correlation causation game, 697 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 1: yet I can tell you which one it is. And 698 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: so I think it's like to me. And here's the 699 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: other thing that came up, too, and it's so like 700 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: to me, the parallels. And I'm not saying that like Andrew. 701 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: Like I said, it's the best college football player I've 702 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: ever seen. If he does not get hurt, I think 703 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: he finds himself in the conversation. Is the best NFL 704 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: quarterback that's ever played. He's that good, Like he was 705 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: that freaking incredible. I don't think people realize how good 706 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,479 Speaker 1: he was and how good he could be. But man, 707 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: Justin reminds me so much of him, he really does. 708 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: And like one of the other things that came up 709 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: was David Shaw was talking about how he's like, you know, 710 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: and it's like even their personalities are the same. He's like, 711 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: the guy was so humbled, he would never complain about anything. 712 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: He's like. And finally I'm like, Andrew, listen, what do 713 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: you need. You have got to go into the front 714 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: office because it's clear, you know, he's trying to say, 715 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: I know you like your offensive linement, but man, they're 716 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: getting you killed back there. You've got to demand better, 717 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: spend money in best draft capital. They will listen to you. 718 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: And he said, well, it's hard to run play action 719 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: when nobody's honor in the run, you know, because they 720 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: remember they traded a first for Trent Richardson in the 721 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: average like two and a half yard per Kerry. Well, 722 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: they never had a legit runner. And I think that's 723 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: a big reason why every single year Thomas invested since 724 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: we've had Herbert in our running back Josh Kelly, Larry Roundtree, 725 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 1: Isaiah Spiller, I think that connection is still there, Like, Hey, 726 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: in order to really maximize what Herbert does, and that's 727 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: seven step drops, let the play develop. I can throw 728 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: it farther than you can run, and my guys can 729 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: get under it, and we can score touchdowns. And there's 730 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: maybe three guys in the NFL that can do it 731 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: like he can. So you gotta get the play action 732 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: game right, which is why you're going to keep investing 733 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: draft picks and running backs. As this conversation unfolds, money, 734 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: I go back to the draft. It makes me feel 735 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: foolish that we even thought a wide receiver in the 736 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: first round was in the conversation, right, because Justin You're right, 737 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: T Billy had some splash plays because of Justin Herbert, 738 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,760 Speaker 1: Jalen Guyton, the tight ends, Jared Cook, Hunter, Henry Donald Parham. 739 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who it is, Joshua Palmer who came 740 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: on at the end of last year. Uh, the fact 741 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: that Justin is so humble and he will defend like 742 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: he defended those offensive linemen in twenty twenty every single game, right, 743 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: And that's and they were terrible. Yeah, they were terrible. 744 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: I mean I hate this, you know, I know I 745 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: didn't say it when they were here, but the interior 746 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: was brutal. I mean, the interior line was Turnstiles. And 747 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: I said, I'm stoked that Michael Schofield came back last 748 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: year and played really well. Because man, the year before 749 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: he played really bad um, you know, and that that 750 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: that interior tandem with with Phoene and who is I 751 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: can't even forced Lamp Forced Lamp brutal. I mean it 752 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: was brutal. There's a reason why none of those guys 753 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,760 Speaker 1: are starting in the NFL anymore. So you know, look 754 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: and it happens. You take your swings, and you know, 755 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not putting it on on the front office 756 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: for it happens. Look for as Lamp had a huge 757 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: Singer Bowl every single you know list that you looked at, 758 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: he was the number one interior offensive line on that list. 759 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 1: You take him and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. 760 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: And Steel he was a Steel exactly. He was supposed 761 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: to be a first rounder. Yeah, so I think that's 762 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,439 Speaker 1: and that's where the credit comes. It's like you don't 763 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,919 Speaker 1: just say, well he'll get it, You just wait, he'll 764 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: get it. We know we evaluate no cut bait, find 765 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: someone new, protect your guy. And that's what Tom and 766 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: his staff and have done. And man, I'm so excited, 767 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: Like I got really geek listening. I was like, you know, 768 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: and you know this came up too, So I don't 769 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: want to pretend like it's my own thought. But they 770 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: brought up like, look what the Chiefs did. You know, 771 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes got obliterated in that Super Bowl because his 772 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: offensive line was a hurt, be old and c ineffective. 773 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: What do the Chiefs do? They draft Creed Humphrey, they 774 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: draft Trey Smith, they signed Joe Thuney, they trade for 775 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: Orlando Brown. They're like, that ain't gonna happen. This is 776 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: the golden ticket. We are drafting, we are signing, we 777 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: are trading, and we are completely remaking our offensive line 778 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: with four new starters. And it's exactly what the Chargers 779 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 1: did last year. That ain't happening again. Sign the center, 780 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: signed the guard, draft the left tackle, you know, and 781 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: signed the right guard like they did the exact same 782 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: thing the Chiefs did, because they know that this team 783 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: could be could win a Super Bowl with Justin Herbert. 784 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 1: If he's not on the field because he's getting hit 785 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: too many times, we're not having it. We're not having 786 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: that conversation. You know, Justin deserves all the credit in 787 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: the world for what he did last year, But I 788 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,479 Speaker 1: tell you, I don't know if we give him enough credit. 789 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: Maybe we do Corey Linsley. When you have a guy 790 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: who is as smart and savvy as Corey Linsley and 791 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: you pair him with someone who is intelligent as Justin Herbert, 792 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna have success, right, you cannot not have success. 793 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,439 Speaker 1: So those guys in year two, I think that's what 794 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: excites me most about Justin Herbert taking this leap in 795 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: Joe Lobardi's office. It is because he has a guy 796 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: in Corey Lindsley that he can rely upon every single 797 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: game to put him in the best spots to be successful. Yeah. Well, 798 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: and by the way, you know, just to continue to 799 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 1: make the parallel what was said about Andrew Luck one 800 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: of the smartest people I've ever met. That's another that 801 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: that this is a guy that's reading books on architecture 802 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: and concrete and has a book club, and you know, 803 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: and on and on and on. What do we hear 804 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: about justin academic All American biology major. He's one of 805 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: the smartest guys. You'll go. I can't believe how quickly 806 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: he it's all the same. It's incredible to me, Like 807 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: it is incredible to me had Justin Herbert been in 808 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: a different program Van Oregon where Mario Christo ball was 809 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 1: committed to offensive line, run the ball under no circumstances, 810 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: turn it over. Ain't no way. He's sitting there at six. 811 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: Ain't no way. He's being talked about as the next 812 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,720 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck with what we're seeing now, the way he's built, 813 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: the athleticism, the arm, strength, the brain, the humility, the 814 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: great teammate, like it's it's uncanny. I can't. I can't 815 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: say it like it's again, it's just my opinion and 816 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: I'm an idiot, But man, it was like I was 817 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: listening to a story about Justin Herbert, the way it 818 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: was being described both packs twelve guys too. I just 819 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: hope that the Justin Herbert podcast, can we do that 820 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,959 Speaker 1: in twenty years instead of like said, That's what jumped 821 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: out of me is this is you know, one of 822 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: the main reasons why one was Andrew Luck. You know, 823 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: our our friend DJ is on it. He's part of 824 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: it because he's talking about his scouting and you know 825 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: what he wrote up and what he remembers and that, 826 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,280 Speaker 1: and and he made a great point in the final episode. 827 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: He said, uh, he said, I think there's a difference 828 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: between a great football player and a great quarterback. You know, 829 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 1: he said, Andrew Luck was so committed to being a 830 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: football player to be in one of the guys like, hey, 831 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: if I throw a pick, I'm making a tackle. I 832 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: don't care what you say, coach, because that's my fault. 833 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: I let my team down. That Hey, these guys are 834 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: trying their hardest to block for me, and those wide 835 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: receivers are trying their hardest to run those routes, and 836 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,879 Speaker 1: it's a it is incumbent upon me to stand in here, 837 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: take the hit, and deliver the ball. And that's what 838 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: a football player is supposed to do, but not what 839 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: a quarterback is supposed to do, because because they're just 840 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: too valuable, because you can't do that. You can't take 841 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: these hits when you're unprotected and your back is turned 842 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: to a weak side rush and you freaking get the 843 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: two screws in the middle of your spine repeatedly, over 844 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,359 Speaker 1: and over and over again. And so it was Andrew Luck, 845 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: the football player that let Andrew Luck the quarterback down. 846 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: And there's a reason why you run out of bounds, 847 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: and there's a reason why you slide, and there's a 848 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: reason why you get rid of the ball because you 849 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,839 Speaker 1: just you can't take the punishment your body. Even if 850 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: built like an Adonis, like a Greek god like Andrew Luck, 851 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: was still gonna get you. It's too violent of a game. 852 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: The players too fast, too strong, too violent. So I 853 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: think that's I think that's certainly in the calculus of 854 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,439 Speaker 1: the Chargers because Tom knows, hey, man, you might get 855 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 1: to draft one of these in your career, you know, 856 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: And he's been fortunate enough to draft too. And I'm 857 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: sure he's looking at it like a no way, what 858 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: happened to Andrew Luck's career has happening into this guy, 859 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 1: you know, Justin doesn't make the same mistake twice too. 860 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: I think he's gotten so good at knowing when to slide, 861 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: knowing when to get out of bounds, knowing when to 862 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 1: run the ball. You mentioned that that first start where 863 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: he knocks over the Chiefs linebacker, But I think I 864 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 1: think since that he is really he just has a 865 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: good knack for it, and guys just don't, like, you know, 866 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: keep it. In twenty twelve, I watched a lot of 867 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: Washington football RG three. He did not know how to slide, 868 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,240 Speaker 1: he did not know when to get out of bounds, 869 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: getting absolutely pummeled. He was so fast and so dynamic, 870 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: but he did not have a clue how to slide, 871 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: how to get out of bounce, and he didn't I 872 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: guess he didn't have that neck. And he got hurt 873 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: and he got beat up, and his career was over 874 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 1: before it started because of a lot of those things. 875 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: And I think Justin has such a I remember, you 876 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,280 Speaker 1: know the Pittsburgh game where he was just running everywhere, 877 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: but he knew when to stop, he knew when to 878 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: slide right. It's it's the little things like that that 879 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: can prolong a career or shorten a career. Look, it's 880 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, you know, it's it's a dozen. Danny the 881 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: guy never it's like Floyd Mayweather. He never takes a 882 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: direct hits, puts himself in harm's way, Yet when it's 883 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: time for that hit to be made, it's like it's 884 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 1: a glancing blow. It's incredible how he's able to do it, 885 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 1: and certainly and it helped me out. Do you think 886 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: it was Damian Wilson or was it Anthony Hitchins? Which 887 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: are those two lines? I've just pulled it up on 888 00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 1: their depth chart from twenty twenty. Try to remember if 889 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: it was Hitchins or Wilson. I feel like it might 890 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: have been Wilson. Um anyway, it's it was an incredible, 891 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,800 Speaker 1: an incredible collision, and Herbert popped up and Wilson or 892 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,720 Speaker 1: Hitchens stayed on the ground for two minutes. And certainly 893 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,879 Speaker 1: I'm sure the Chargers on that in that moment said 894 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,520 Speaker 1: don't ever do that again. And I think it was 895 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 1: Damian Wilson. I think it was too. Yeah, I think 896 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: it was too now that I'm thinking back to it 897 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,880 Speaker 1: and looking at the depth, I'm looking at the headline 898 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,320 Speaker 1: Chargers rookie quarterback Justin Herbert Knox, Chiefs linebacker Damien Wilson. 899 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: Artist there it is. That's it. That's it. That's it, 900 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 1: and that's h and that's a teaching lesson and uh 901 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 1: and it's funny in that in that podcast for Ba 902 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: is on there, you know who was his OC and 903 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: his head coach, because Chuck mcgonald had lukenia and he said, uh, 904 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 1: he made this tackle after thrown interception. And you know 905 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 1: Ba's always got the colorful language and he's like, man, 906 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: I don't don't you ever een do that again? And 907 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 1: he looked right at me, goes you my ass, I'm 908 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: gonna do it. That's my fault. And I was like, right, 909 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: that's just the way this is gonna go. And sorry, 910 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,800 Speaker 1: it was a really funny momentum. We could gush about 911 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: Justine Herbert all day long and do it regularly. Right, 912 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: but we can circle back to that. Jeremy Fowler list 913 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 1: three AFC West quarterbacks from the top ten. Derek Carr 914 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,919 Speaker 1: is the number one honorable mention. Right, So as good 915 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: as Justin is, you are still going through a gauntlet 916 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 1: in the AFC West and nothing is guaranteed. Nothing's guaranteed. No, no, 917 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: that's why you just enjoy the ride. And it's uh 918 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: and it's again, it's a it's it's the reality of football. 919 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: You know, there's a reason why the any given Sunday 920 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,359 Speaker 1: monologue from Al Pacino resonates because it is a game 921 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: of inches, and it is a game of possessions and 922 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,239 Speaker 1: one possession or or you know, one misstep can be 923 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: the difference between you getting into the tournament and not. 924 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,839 Speaker 1: And if you get in, as the Bengals proved last year, 925 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: who knows what could happen. Or the Rams, you know, 926 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: seemingly with their backs against the wall in Tampa after 927 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: blowing that lead and go into overtime and feeling like, 928 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's slipped away, and yet here it is. 929 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: It's one play. It's a zero blitz that not everybody 930 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,880 Speaker 1: knew was a zero blitz. And there's your completion, and 931 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: there's your field goal and game over and that's you know, 932 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: and that's that's football. That's just that's what happens when 933 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: you have twenty two moving parts on every single play, 934 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, all it takes us one of those parts 935 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,440 Speaker 1: to break down and it changes dramatically the outcome of 936 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: that particular possession or play or you know, or contest 937 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 1: how it all works out. We always get tom on 938 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,359 Speaker 1: at the beginning of training camp each year. This has 939 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: to be one of the topics. Man, this this one 940 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: percent Herbert parallel, because I'm sure and I know exactly what. 941 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 1: I know exactly what he's gonna say. I can, I 942 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,239 Speaker 1: can already see it. I'm gonna be like, yeah, you know, 943 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,800 Speaker 1: I figured this and then I was thinking about that, 944 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: and he's like, huh, I never thought about that. That's 945 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 1: that's exactly what's gonna happen. Yeah, I know, maybe I guess, 946 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: I guess I guess that's possible. That's exactly how that's 947 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,080 Speaker 1: gonna go. And I'm gonna feel like a complete idiot, 948 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: but whatever, I am an idiot because it's not like 949 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,239 Speaker 1: he's gonna be like, hey, Matt, you hit it on 950 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: the head way to go, you figured it out. No, 951 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,839 Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. Yeah, Yeah, that's interesting. That's what 952 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get. We should do like a we should 953 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: like a mashup of of what you just did, and guarantee, guarantee, 954 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: that's how it goes. All right, So there you go. 955 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: Money just gave you a great podcast listen to before 956 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,319 Speaker 1: before training. Care. Sorry I got a little long winded there. No, 957 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 1: it's I think it's especially if a Charger fan knows 958 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,919 Speaker 1: that they have Justin Herbert for the next ten fifteen years, right, 959 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,359 Speaker 1: So like this, I always think it's fascinating these comparisons 960 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,719 Speaker 1: throughout like the course of NFL history, And this one's 961 00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,840 Speaker 1: pretty recent too, right, you know, for twenty twelve to 962 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,799 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Now, this is just ten years ago 963 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 1: that that luck was drafted. And I remember when when 964 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: Schefter broke that news that he was retiring. It was 965 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: like in the middle of a Chargers preseason game. Do 966 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,359 Speaker 1: you remember that? Yeah, we were. It was because it 967 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,920 Speaker 1: was in the middle of their preseason game, so it 968 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,319 Speaker 1: was in the middle of our game and I and 969 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,560 Speaker 1: I can remember looking at DJ and and we're like 970 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,080 Speaker 1: are you And I think we both had the same reaction, 971 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 1: like it was just you know, and a lot of 972 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 1: people say this on the pot and I felt the 973 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 1: same way. I was just sad. I was like, no, 974 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,000 Speaker 1: not him, not that guy. Man. I love that guy. 975 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,719 Speaker 1: And remember we played the Chargers played the Colts in 976 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,799 Speaker 1: Week one, which a Kobe Brisset and so it's like 977 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: that was the next game. It was gonna be the 978 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 1: Colts that kicked off the season. And I can just 979 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 1: remember seeing that news, going are you kidding me? Like, 980 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,400 Speaker 1: there's no freaking way this is happening. Um, the game 981 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:58,480 Speaker 1: went to overtime, right, Yeah, it was awesome time they did. Yeah. Yeah, no, 982 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,319 Speaker 1: it went to overtime. Chargers won, and that was that. 983 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,759 Speaker 1: It's yeah, no, I was geeked. I was super geek 984 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,359 Speaker 1: to watch you know, Andrew luck into at Dignity Health 985 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 1: like that, that's how much I love watching that guy 986 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,120 Speaker 1: play football. And I was like, yeah, it's gonna be 987 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: great looking forward to calling another Andrew Luck game. It's 988 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,759 Speaker 1: been years since I have, and I ended up calling 989 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 1: quite a few of his games in India as well 990 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 1: as Big Bummer Man, Real big bummer, but a you know, 991 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 1: a cautionary tale, and I I will I know he 992 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 1: won't acknowledge it, but I will hold firm. I do 993 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,320 Speaker 1: think that it was one that taught Tom to LESCo 994 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,360 Speaker 1: a very valuable lesson about having a golden ticket at 995 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,399 Speaker 1: quarterback and how incredibly important it is to not take 996 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,919 Speaker 1: it for not take it for granted. And he didn't. 997 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,800 Speaker 1: He was again, he was gone. He drafted him his 998 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,240 Speaker 1: rookie year and then he was hired by the Chargers 999 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:49,719 Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, so he was out of there after 1000 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,760 Speaker 1: his first year. And I'm one hundred percent certain that 1001 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 1: that had had an effect on on the way this 1002 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 1: has played out these last two years, since Herbert has 1003 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,000 Speaker 1: emerged as one of the best quarterbacks in the league 1004 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 1: and is on a track to have a historic career 1005 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 1: If this holds. And final thing, it shows you how 1006 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 1: hard it is to identify the franchise quarterback because the 1007 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 1: cults have not recovered since he left him to go 1008 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 1: from Brissette to fill Up to Carson to now Matt Ryan. 1009 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: They're just trying to find that stop gap before you 1010 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 1: find the long term answer. And they've they've gone the 1011 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 1: veteran route to try to make it happen. It hasn't 1012 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,959 Speaker 1: necessarily worked out. It's tough. There's a reason why people 1013 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 1: say it's the hardest position in all of sports to play, 1014 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 1: you know, and and why it's so darned hard to 1015 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 1: find thirty two of them, thirty two, you know, out 1016 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 1: of seven and a half or eight billion people, whatever 1017 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,360 Speaker 1: it is. Now you're looking for thirty two of these guys, 1018 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 1: and it's hard. It's incredible. There's so much excitement around 1019 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,400 Speaker 1: this Chargers team with Mac and j C. Jackson, all 1020 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,840 Speaker 1: these off season editions, but it's just it starts with 1021 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,160 Speaker 1: Justin and one percent and what he's going to do 1022 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,839 Speaker 1: potentially in year three. So all right, man, let's let's 1023 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,480 Speaker 1: get to camp to We got one more episode next week. 1024 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,359 Speaker 1: What do you want to talk about next week? I'll 1025 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 1: find something that somebody else has done that I can steal, 1026 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,719 Speaker 1: make it sound like it's my own. Don't worry, I 1027 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:20,200 Speaker 1: got this covered there perfect. Sorry, Zach go listen to 1028 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,280 Speaker 1: Zach Keacher's podcast on Andrew. Sorry Zach, Sorry, Zach. Zach's 1029 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,239 Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of a lot of downloads because 1030 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:27,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, I kind of told the whole story. 1031 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 1: Now I maybe gave up too many secrets. It's still 1032 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,319 Speaker 1: a great listen. Go check it out. Shout out to Zach. 1033 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,759 Speaker 1: All Right, guys, this has been Chargers Weekly. We'll see 1034 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: you next week. Camp just a couple weeks away.