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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Hammer Territory podcast, and we are thrilled,

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Speaker 1: thrilled to say that we have three individuals here and

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Speaker 1: that is the sign when it comes to Hammer Territory

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Speaker 1: that a very good thing has happened.

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Speaker 2: I believe that the ratio of singular or emergency podcast

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Speaker 2: so far this offseason is five to zero talking about

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Speaker 2: people that have left the Braves. But we finally get

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Speaker 2: to do one on somebody coming to Atlanta here with

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Speaker 2: Steven Tolbert and Scott Coleman, and Scott will get started

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Speaker 2: with you. There is a reason we're all gathered here

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Speaker 2: to talk about an off season move. Let's get the

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Speaker 2: immediate details and react action from one Scott Coleman on

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Speaker 2: the newest Atlanta Brave.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and the long national nightmare is finally over. Boys.

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Speaker 3: We have done it about what three months into the

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Speaker 3: off season. We finally have a transaction. If for somehow

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Speaker 3: this is the very first time you are hearing about it,

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Speaker 3: and I would be shocked. Jerkson Profar has signed with

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Speaker 3: the Atlanta Braves three year deal forty two million dollars.

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Speaker 3: And I gotta say, guys, I don't want to speak

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Speaker 3: for you both and We have plenty to talk about

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Speaker 3: on the show tonight, but I'm really excited for this

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Speaker 3: deal and and I mean I think it's a home

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Speaker 3: run addition for the Braves.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm you know, the Braves needed outfield help.

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Speaker 4: It was I mean, we We've said it a million

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Speaker 4: times this offseason. The Braves needed outfield help. They had

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Speaker 4: Michael Harris, couldn't you come back from injury? Jared Keelnick.

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Speaker 4: We didn't know what he was going to do, didn't

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Speaker 4: is Brian Day La Cruz. They needed an outfielder. And

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Speaker 4: you know, I've been screaming for the Mountaintops for like

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Speaker 4: three years now that I wanted more left handed slash

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Speaker 4: switch hitters in the lineup, more balance in the lineup,

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Speaker 4: not so right handed. This serves that purpose. The contract,

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Speaker 4: which we'll get to in detail, is a very strong

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Speaker 4: number for the team. So you know, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if it's a home run ten out of ten move,

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Speaker 4: but like I think it's at least like an eight

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Speaker 4: match contract, when you match fit with player. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I have nothing but good things to say about this

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Speaker 4: move and what we'll get into the details, But yeah,

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Speaker 4: thirty thousand feet, I think it's a fantastic move.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a great edition as well. In one player.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he all of a sudden is

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Speaker 2: the type of player that you know, propels us to

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Speaker 2: we would make a move for. But he's someone who

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Speaker 2: checks a lot of boxes in the Maybe we don't

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Speaker 2: consider these things important enough, categories that we talked about

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Speaker 2: last year, especially with him as a hitter. But let's

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Speaker 2: get the general details out of the way first. A

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Speaker 2: three year, forty two million dollar year for Jerks and

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Speaker 2: Profar twelve million in twenty and twenty five, with fifteen

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Speaker 2: resident payroll experts Steven Tolbert talk about that a little

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Speaker 2: many know the name Jerkson Profar, but what about him

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Speaker 2: stands out just when you start looking at him throughout

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Speaker 2: his career, Just some details about you know, why he

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Speaker 2: he seems to be a really good fit multiple ways.

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Speaker 3: So Jerkson Profar has had a fascinating career. He's going

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Speaker 3: to turn thirty two next month. And once upon a

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Speaker 3: Profar was like the prospect in baseball. He was the

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Speaker 4: So he went to San Diego and a and a

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Speaker 4: He cares about batted ball profiles. You know, when Marcela

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Speaker 3: It's so much easier.

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Speaker 4: To bet on it. The Braves were not the only

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Speaker 4: actual real data behind it is what gives me confidence

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Speaker 4: have a very different tone about, you know, giving this

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Speaker 4: and you know, the proof will being the pudding, but

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Speaker 4: So I like it. I like the move. I think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, the lineup versatility is no small thing.

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Speaker 3: And we're pretty certain at this point that the Braves

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Speaker 3: I mean he had a three to eighty on base

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Speaker 3: And I mean there's a lot of layers to this signing,

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Speaker 4: It was Loreano and left Michael Harrison center and horayzelerin right.

431
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Speaker 4: So he lost his job last year. He pretty much

432
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 4: just lost his job again. I mean, he's gonna play

433
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 4: until a Kunyon gets back. But once a Kunya comes back,

434
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 4: the Braves have three outfielders locked up for at least

435
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Speaker 4: three years now. I mean all three of these guys

436
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 4: now have I mean his first time in a while.

437
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 4: The Braves have a left fielder that has real money,

438
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 4: real years of control in front of them. So my

439
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 4: question is, do we think Kelnick is gonna stick? Do

440
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 4: we like I think there's a world where they trade Kelnick?

441
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 4: I really do, And I know he's the backup center

442
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 4: fielder right now, but you can always put Eli White

443
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 4: on the roster and have a backup center fielder. You know,

444
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 4: with Harris being left handed, with Profar being a switch hitter,

445
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 4: you don't necessarily have to have another left handed guy

446
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 4: like Kelnick like you did before when you had a

447
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 4: lot of right handed outfielders. I'm just curious, and I'm

448
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 4: I'm also curious how Kelnick is gonna respond to basically

449
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 4: having his job taken away. Yeah. Do you guys think

450
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 4: Kelnick sticks around or do you think Alex might look

451
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 4: to move him in a trade maybe this winner or

452
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 4: is he too valuable as maybe a backup center field

453
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Speaker 4: or even a right fielder Whilelacuna is out.

454
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my immediate feeling is this is that I feel

455
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: like that the value of kell Nick still certainly remains

456
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 2: because he can fit as a fourth outfielder. Kellennick offers

457
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 2: a lot of value in my opinion. He can play centerfield, obviously,

458
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 2: he is that left field bat. He can play pretty

459
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 2: decent deepense. I mean, I think there's no question he's

460
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: our second best defender in the outfield. If Michael Harris

461
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Speaker 2: were to go out for a month or so if

462
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 2: you don't have Kellennick where you really I know, Eli

463
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Speaker 2: White is there, but do you want him starting for

464
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: a month? And I also think that there is you

465
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: know still, you know, some potential upside, you know, especially

466
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Speaker 2: with a new hitting coach, maybe a new voice in

467
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,719
Speaker 2: the clubhouse could get him going. And finally, I know

468
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,239
Speaker 2: that he potentially could be a trade piece, But how

469
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Speaker 2: much trade value is there now when outside of the

470
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Speaker 2: first two months of twenty twenty three, you've really got

471
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Speaker 2: multiple years of you know, is he in a replacement

472
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: level type player? So to me, I think that the

473
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: value that he adds defensively be in the left handed

474
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: bat being able hihimself to stay healthy and play every day.

475
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 2: I think in the right deal he could be traded,

476
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Speaker 2: But I think as a fourtan to outfielder, Jared Kelnick

477
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 2: offers plenty of value and is also a good potential

478
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: option off the bench as a pin chittering scenarios as well.

479
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess my answer, Steven would depend

480
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 3: on what the teams think of Jared Kelnick. You know,

481
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: if he's going to be the third piece and a deal,

482
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: I think it probably Behooves the Braves to hang on

483
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 3: to him and just throw in a minor leaguer because

484
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: the likelihood of getting one hundred and sixty two out

485
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: of Harris and Profar and Ronald for however many games.

486
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Speaker 3: You know, maybe we're all snake bitting after last year,

487
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: but I think last year was a real lesson in

488
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 3: having depth. And you know, I think Kelnick has shown

489
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 3: me at least just enough. But I just don't want

490
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: to give up just yet. You're right though, that if

491
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Speaker 3: everyone's healthy, he's ever gonna play so.

492
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Speaker 4: Just and I just wonder, like how he feels like

493
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 4: he had some club he had some clubhouse problems in

494
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 4: Seattle when he wasn't playing. I just wonder now that

495
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 4: he's not gonna play a lot, like if that's something

496
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 4: they're they're concerned about. I know Alex is gonna talk

497
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 4: to the media. Bowman sent out tweet on AX earlier

498
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 4: that that was kind of like the first question he

499
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 4: was gonna ask is basically like what does this mean

500
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Speaker 4: for Jared Keelnick. And I'm sure Alex is gonna give

501
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 4: a very very gm answer and essentially not answer the question.

502
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 4: But I am wondering now that he knows his playing

503
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 4: time has just been cut by a ton where's his

504
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 4: head at? You know, is he gonna be okay with

505
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,959
Speaker 4: this role? I don't know. I you know, it might

506
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 4: not be anything, but it's It's one of the first

507
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 4: things I thought.

508
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: Of, Yeah, it's valid. And you know, at the risk

509
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 3: of trying to pretend like I know what's going through

510
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 3: Jared Keelnick's head tonight, I mean, we don't know. But

511
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: I would hope that if he's a member of the

512
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: team on a winning organization, a team that obviously gave

513
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 3: him a real chance to be every single day's starter

514
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: just a year ago. You know, I would hope that

515
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 3: he's mature and professional enough to not pout in the

516
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 3: corner if he's not playing. And I would think he'd

517
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: also realize he's behind two All Stars and Harris and Akunya,

518
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 3: and then a player who was one of the best

519
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 3: outfielders in the game just a year ago. You know,

520
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: we've talked about this offseason. Kelnick does things that are valuable.

521
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: You know, he showed in June just how good he

522
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 3: can be when everything clicks hit for power, he was walking,

523
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 3: he was driving the baseball, and then it kind of

524
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 3: went away, and we just don't know. I think I'm

525
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 3: inclined unless a team is over the moon for Kelnick

526
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 3: in a trade like say the Padres are over the

527
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 3: moon for Jared Kelnick for some reason and they're trying

528
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 3: to trade one of their starting pitchers. You know, seea Jared,

529
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 3: I'll take you to the airport. Yeah, I be. But

530
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 3: if there's no real market, I don't think I'm necessarily

531
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 3: like actively looking to get rid of Kelnick unless he,

532
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 3: you know, explicitly says to Brian Stetger or in thought Bliss,

533
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 3: you know, play me, or I'm going to be a

534
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 3: total pain in the ass.

535
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: You know.

536
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: I would hope that this will work out and he'll

537
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: be able to be a fourth outfielder and get a

538
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 3: chance to play pretty much every day until Ronald is

539
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: ready to go.

540
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: And I think the other thing that stands out about

541
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: this move is that, you know, when we talk about,

542
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: you know, what are the Braids going to do? What

543
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: are the Brad's going to do? One of the Bray's

544
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: going to do? You know, we got the Jeff Hoffman,

545
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: you know, almost steel that was out there. I think

546
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: that there was rumbling step before Garrett Crochet was traded

547
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 2: to the Boston Red Sox. The Braves I think were

548
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: a finalist or there was indications that they were in

549
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: the talks for that. So it seems that they've consistently

550
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: done their work on arms. Well, now that we've kind

551
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: of done the heavy lifting, when it comes to our

552
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: first big move of the off season, being a bat

553
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: and a versatile one who could you know, kind of

554
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: feel multiple needs as one person, it really seems like

555
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: the spotlight shifts in terms of what neck what is

556
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: next to the arms, And I think that's important to

557
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: discuss because you still have multiple needs out there. When

558
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: it comes to an arm, you've got an open relief

559
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 2: spot a pretty valuable one as well that you can feel.

560
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 2: And we could obviously use another starting pitcher as well.

561
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: So now that the Braves have made their move to

562
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: add a long term piece when it comes to a

563
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: position player, I feel like it may be the opportunity

564
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: for Alex and Thoppless to get a bit creative and

565
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: see what he could do to add an armor to

566
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: to really fill out the rest of this offseason.

567
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's I mean, that's next for me, boys,

568
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: you know, like get get a starting pitcher I think

569
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 3: if we can paint a rosy picture that if Strider

570
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 3: is healthy, and if Sale and Schwellenbach and Lopez all

571
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: stay healthy, and if Grant Holmes can show he can start,

572
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 3: or maybe Ian Anderson is healthy, or maybe Smith Shover,

573
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 3: maybe Waldrip, maybe Bryce Elder. If you know there, you

574
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: can tell yourself a story where it all works out

575
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: in the rotation. But that's a risk, man. I just

576
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: me personally, and if we believe there's money to be spent,

577
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 3: and it sounds like there is based on what they

578
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: just gave Profar today and what Steven has talked about

579
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: with both the luxury tax and the CA payroll, starting

580
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: Pitcher is like the big project for me moving forward

581
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: for this team.

582
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, we knew we should say. Bowman reported today, I

583
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 4: think in his newsletter that he had heard from sources

584
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 4: the Braves had about thirty three million to spend for

585
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 4: the offseason. Obviously, they just spent twelve million of that

586
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: on Profar, so that would tell you they have about

587
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 4: twenty million to spend. They can spend twenty million, and

588
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 4: that would put them right around where their cash was

589
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 4: last year at the end of last year when they

590
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 4: when they added so Laer and Luke Jackson. They took

591
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 4: on money to get both of those guys, and from

592
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: what I've been able to figure, they ended last year

593
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 4: right around two hundred and thirty five million cash payroll,

594
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 4: and right now they're right around like two ten. So

595
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 4: they can add I mean, make that like his number

596
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 4: thirty three. That makes sense to me. And obviously they

597
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 4: just spent twelve of it, so they tell you they

598
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 4: should have about twenty million left, and they can do

599
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 4: that in the luxury tax well as well. We talked

600
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: about last night. I really don't think they care about

601
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: the tax. I think they're fine going over it, and

602
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 4: so I agree I think starting Pitcher, I do think

603
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 4: they probably want another reliever at some point. You know,

604
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 4: they do have a lot of interesting guys on the

605
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 4: forty man that can potentially be useful relievers. And that's

606
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: how relievers come up a lot of times is no names,

607
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 4: and then you know, have amazing years. And I understand

608
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 4: that logic, like you know, trying to when you're trying

609
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 4: to figure out which relievers are going to be good

610
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 4: in any given year, it's kind of like catching lightning

611
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 4: in a bottle. It's very difficult. You're sometimes you're just

612
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: better off throwing a bunch of names at it seeing

613
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 4: what happens.

614
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: So that might be what they do.

615
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: But I agree with Scott, I think starting pitching I

616
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 4: think you need one more guy. There's still a couple

617
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 4: of names on the free agent market that I would

618
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: be interested in, at least as some death pieces, you know,

619
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 4: Andrew Haney probably being the biggest one at this point.

620
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 4: I know, uh Pavetta. I think Paveta is still out

621
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 4: there as well. I know he's got a qualifying offer

622
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 4: attached to him, which is which complicates that situation. But

623
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 4: I said this earlier. Sometimes you get actually get some

624
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 4: value out of that because it suppresses a guy's market

625
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 4: so much so, but yeah, I agree, I think starting

626
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: pitching is is definitely where they go tow.

627
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: And the final point that I'll make that also stands

628
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: out about this, guys, is that you know, Alex Andhopolis,

629
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know if it does it again is

630
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: the way to put it. But this is very much

631
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: an Alex and Thopolis type move. He is not a

632
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: reactive decision maker. All these different contenders are making all

633
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: these different moves, all these different you know, as you

634
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: mentioned Scott, it's getting late quickly when it comes to

635
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: the off season with all these different free agents and

636
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: trade candidates going to the wayside. Me and Stephen talked

637
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: about it last night. Though so many people had speculated

638
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: that there were money restrictions and things like that, I

639
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: had said, what I think that it just is is

640
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: that Alex is someone who has consistently shown when he

641
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: goes after a player, he's got the years, he's got

642
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: the number in place. If it goes above that, he's

643
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: not going to outbid himself or go above that. He

644
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: was waiting for the type of players that would fall

645
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: into the wheelhouse and where he was comfortable and lo

646
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: and behold, we get a player who meets many of

647
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: the needs that we needed offensively. So I think that

648
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: this just goes as show once again Alex and Thopless.

649
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: When it comes to making the moves, he may not

650
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: necessarily make it at the time that we're waiting for

651
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: it to be made, he may not necessarily make it

652
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: when others are making it, but he'll make the right

653
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 2: move when it needs to be made. And he did

654
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: it once again.

655
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And you know three years, forty two million,

656
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: that's I mean, that seems to me like a very

657
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: fair deal. I think Brad and I talked on the

658
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: show maybe a month ago when we kind of did

659
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: a reset of the free agent market and we talked

660
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: about Profar for five or ten minutes, and the fact was,

661
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: if this was a guy who'd been doing it at

662
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: a high, high level for multiple seasons, probably would have

663
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: gotten five years in one hundred million bucks. Similarly, if

664
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: he was a great defender, you could probably add at

665
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: least another year and another ten or fifteen million dollars

666
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: on the contract. So it's not as if Profar is

667
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: a guarantee. There are questions for sure. Interestingly enough, one

668
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: of the big questions that we had on the podcast

669
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: a month ago was what do front offices think of

670
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: Jerkson Profar? And was last year real? And obviously the

671
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: Braves think it is. In front of the show. Grant

672
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: McCauley is on the media call with Nthopless right now,

673
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: and Nthopoulis said that they believe that the swing changes

674
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: that Profar made in his career Best twenty twenty four

675
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: were legitimate, and they believe in the changes that Profar

676
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: made and feel like that's going to be sustainable and

677
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: more of who he is moving forward. Obviously, it's just

678
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: one opinion. I would love to have a survey of

679
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: like all thirty front offices to get an idea of

680
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: what they feel like is real and what might be

681
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: smoke with Profar. But again I tweeted it out maybe

682
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: an hour or two ago as of recording this. You know,

683
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: you look at a video from Profar in twenty twenty

684
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: three and a Profar video in twenty twenty four, and

685
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: his swing did change significantly. He was much more vertical,

686
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: he had a more pronounced leg kick, and just the

687
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: swing as a whole, especially on the left side, just

688
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: looked much more natural, more fluid, more violent. I would imagine.

689
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: I didn't look it up, and I would I bet

690
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: money that his swing rate and bat speed were significantly

691
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: increased as well based on the exit velocity. So yeah,

692
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: it is a bit of a gamble from the Braves.

693
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: But for three years and forty two million, sure, there's

694
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: always risk with a multi year contract for a guy

695
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: in his thirties, but this is very much an alex

696
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: Coded move and now for the next three years we

697
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: get to find out if last season was a sign

698
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: of things to come or if it was. If it

699
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: was a fluke, then you know, then obviously it's a problem.

700
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I was actually wondered, and as we speak,

701
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 4: Alex is talking to the media, so I'm kind of

702
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 4: cat trying to catch up. But I was actually wondering

703
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 4: in my head and Brad just put it in our chat.

704
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: Thank you, Brad Roland, because last year Pro four had

705
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 4: he had struggles with his range in the outfield. Defensively,

706
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 4: I think everybody who's looked it up kind of sees

707
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 4: that it was not a great range. Guy in the

708
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 4: outfield had a decent arm, and so I was actually

709
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 4: sitting here thinking, I wonder if they put him in

710
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: right field since it's smaller and truest, and let Kelnick

711
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 4: play left field since he's got more range. But we

712
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 4: just see that Alex just answered that question that it's

713
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 4: that Profile is gonna play left and that Kelnick and

714
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 4: De la Cruz are gonna split right field until a

715
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: Conyon comes back. So we have that answer, you know,

716
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 4: matching skill set to the size of the outfield. I

717
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 4: was thinking if if maybe they would consider putting profar

718
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 4: and right until a Cuny came back. But that's not

719
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: gonna be the case. He's gonna be in left. I'm

720
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 4: sure they just want him to get comfortable and left

721
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 4: and not switch him around a bunch so that, you know,

722
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 4: the defense is gonna be a question. He was not

723
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 4: a good defender last year. There's no getting around that.

724
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 4: He's not a natural outfielder. He came up when Scott

725
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 4: was talking about he was the number one prospected baseball.

726
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 4: He was actually a shortstop back then, which is typically

727
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 4: you know, the number one prospected baseball is typically a

728
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 4: short stop. So he's not a natural outfielder. Does have

729
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 4: a decent arm, range, is not as strength. There's probably

730
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 4: gonna be some adventures at times in the outfield. We're

731
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: just got to live with it, you know. Brace fans

732
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: are used to that with Jorre Hilaire and Eddie Rosario

733
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: and the likes that have roamed the Braves outfield the

734
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 4: last few years. But it is notable that he will

735
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 4: be left in Kelnick and de la Cruz will be

736
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: in right until Acuna comes back.

737
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: And of course, just as we're talking about, you know,

738
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: potentially what could be the next move. You know, as

739
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: AA is speaking, it doesn't as if is that he

740
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: you know, did allude to the fact that the Braves

741
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: at this moment are not close to anything else. They've

742
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: explored starter and reliever opportunities, and we'll stay engaged now.

743
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: Of course, when AA says something like that, that means

744
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 2: that we'll likely be doing another emergency podcast within twenty

745
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: four hours. And if that's the case, that is perfectly fine.

746
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: Scott Stephen, It's been a ton of fun. Always love

747
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: doing these with both of y'all. Again, I will back

748
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: this up anytime that I have the chance to do

749
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: the best when it comes to covering the Braves and

750
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: just just always fun getting your perspective. Anything else was

751
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 2: when we wrap up this emergency podcast edition of Jerks

752
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: and be in the newest Atlanta Break Yeah.

753
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 3: You know, boys, I'm a little sad as we wrap

754
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: up this episode because I think this pretty much guarantees

755
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 3: that we are not going to do our infamous Scream

756
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: into the Void at the end of the off season episode.

757
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 3: I think, like daily I was getting tweets from people saying,

758
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: you know, can we do it now? Can you do

759
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: the episode now? I need the therapy. I need to

760
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: hear you guys. Let it out. You know, there was

761
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: a reason that we kept saying, as painful as it was,

762
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: you have to give them until mid February before we

763
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: crucify them for not doing anything. A lot of players

764
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 3: out there, and there still are a lot of players

765
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: out there. I know Alex said they're not close, but

766
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 3: the guy is the king of GM speak and who

767
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: knows when the next move will come. But at least

768
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: for now, it seems like we won't do that episode

769
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: screaming into the void, and I'm pumped for the move.

770
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: I really like Profar. As the off season has progressed,

771
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: it just felt like it was more and more possile

772
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: that there would be a reunion. And now we'll see.

773
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: It is a bit of a calculated gamble by the

774
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: Braves that what Profar did last year as an All

775
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: Star is something that he can come close to doing

776
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: the next couple of seasons. But I'm really excited. If

777
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: you had to ask me today, I'd say I'm pumped

778
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: for the move. It's a contract I would do every

779
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: single day of the week, and finally we have an

780
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: exciting move. And in addition, to talk about this offseason,

781
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: rather than saying goodbye to a whole bunch of folks.

782
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's a reason, Like Scott just said,

783
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how many times I said

784
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: it on a podcast this Winner. But you know, wait

785
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 4: till the end of the off season to judge the

786
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 4: off season, like people were just prematurely judging everything. I

787
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 4: didn't think it was fair. I mean, at the very least,

788
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 4: you have to give the team, you know, the full

789
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 4: offseason to make their moves. You don't get any bonus

790
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 4: points for having moves done in November versus January. I mean,

791
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: it's the same. So big shout out to Alex for

792
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: doing this today after we did a show where you know,

793
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: we talked about you know, I said it multiple times.

794
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 4: I thought that I still believe they were gonna make moves.

795
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 4: I thought they had money to spend. You know, Bowman

796
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: had that report today they had money to spend. So

797
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 4: shout out to Alex for you know, the next day

798
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: making you know, one of their biggest move, one of

799
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 4: the biggest move. I mean, you know, you look at

800
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: free agency. Alex doesn't do a lot in free agency.

801
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 4: Typically he does a lot in terms of extending his

802
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 4: own players, but like forty five, our forty two million

803
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: is you know, one of his bigger free agent contracts. Actually,

804
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: so that's a significant move. And I don't think they're

805
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 4: done by you know, the same way I didn't think

806
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: they were not. I didn't think they were gonna do

807
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 4: absolutely nothing. I don't think they're done. I think they're

808
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 4: going to add a starter. They still have room and payroll,

809
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 4: both cash and luxury tax. I think that's one hundred

810
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 4: percent going to be the next move. I wouldn't be

811
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 4: surprised as at a reliever either, But I think they're

812
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 4: gonna get another starter at some point. And my guess

813
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 4: is we're going to be doing another one of these

814
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 4: sometime before you know, we get to opening Day.

815
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: Just to add context, this is I think the first

816
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: multiple year deal for an offensive player, for a position

817
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: player that Alex and Thopless has done at least notable.

818
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 4: He gave four years.

819
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he gave him the one year deal first

820
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 2: in the extendity, right.

821
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a free agent cut. He Azuna got

822
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 4: to free agency after the one year deal, and then

823
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 4: he gave him a four year two yeah.

824
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so yeah, just in terms of yeah, but

825
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: same different Yeah, but to your point, you know, we

826
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: we haven't had much reason to add a hitter, you know,

827
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: to the level of a Profar. But kudostlek is for

828
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: finding the right deal, and you know, continuing, you know,

829
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 2: sometimes the best move is continuing to strengthen a strength,

830
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: especially when you see some faults in what you had

831
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: perceived to be a clear strength. Now they've got that

832
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: versatility and we should be.

833
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: Good to go. But hopefully I would say, I'm sorry,

834
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 3: I think Braves fans are really gonna like Profar.

835
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

836
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: I had some Padres fans tweet me today saying take

837
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: care of him. We loved him. Similarly, Dodgers fans absolutely

838
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: hate this guy. He was the one who kind of

839
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: instigated a whole ordeal in the playoffs where fans were

840
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: throwing things at Profar and left field. He robbed a

841
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 3: home run at the fence and trolled the fans in

842
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 3: the first row, and that started World War three in La. So, yeah,

843
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: I think this is a guy who's gonna quickly kind

844
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 3: of I don't know, Braves fans are gonna quickly come

845
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 3: to really like this guy, because he does play with

846
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: a swagger in an attitude that I think you need

847
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 3: over one hundred and sixty two games and just the

848
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: monotony of day in and day out of baseball for

849
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: six months. You know, you need guys who are going

850
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 3: to bring a spark and bring some energy, and that

851
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: seems like, at least from Afar what Profar is going

852
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: to bring.

853
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: Well, guys, it's been a pleasure. I look forward to

854
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 2: hopefully doing this maybe three or four more times before

855
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: spring trading. Not kid, maybe at least one more time,

856
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: but for Steven Tower to be underscore outliers Scott Coleman

857
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: and Scott Coleman fifty five. If you're not already following them,

858
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Follow these guys their opinions are

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Speaker 2: some of the best things to follow when it comes

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Speaker 2: to Braves baseball. My name is Sean Comanet stats sac

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Speaker 2: on x slash, Twitter as well at hammer Territory across

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Speaker 2: all forms of social media as well as part of

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Speaker 2: the foul Territory family of podcasts. And a thank you

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Speaker 2: you man. Wish you were here, but glad you're here

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Speaker 2: in spirit. We know that you enjoy the signing just

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Speaker 2: as much as we do, so we're gonna.

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Speaker 4: Do We're gonna do a four men show at some point.

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Speaker 4: I don't know when. I don't know what the I

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Speaker 4: point we will do a four manch People have asked

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Speaker 4: never done a four men show. It will happen at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, World series seems like a good reason to do it,

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Speaker 2: but you know, maybe something on a bit smaller scale.

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Speaker 2: But until next time, Go braves, We'll talk to you

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Speaker 2: again soon. In one final note, a move has finally

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Speaker 2: been made. Go brave, We'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Here on the Hammer Territory podcast