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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about some military experiences coming up, but

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Speaker 2: first let's talk to Lewis Manolo and Matt Patak. Welcome

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Speaker 3: Thanks awesome, awesome to be here.

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Speaker 2: Man, Thanks, and I just want to mention that you

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Speaker 2: also want to mention that you're both veterans of the military.

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Speaker 3: Correct, that's correct, That's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've also we've also both worked in video games

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Speaker 4: on a lot of popular games, like especially Tom Clancy

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Speaker 2: So right, like, okay, let's just crack that open, right,

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Speaker 2: Like Ghost Recon Okay, I remember playing Ghost Recon on

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Speaker 2: coming out. You know, and my buddy's like, hey, let's

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Speaker 2: talking about airsoft war games. Yeah, okay, all right at

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Speaker 2: the same time. Right, So, Ghost Recon, I mean it

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Speaker 2: into air Off. How all these loadouts that come out

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Speaker 2: they just replicate it to the to the t. How

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Speaker 2: They're like, this is my new loadout, dude, this is

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Speaker 2: See and what I do here in Utah, Matt, you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like, what's up, let's go right, still fits,

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Speaker 2: Louis you come from what the eighty second Airborne? I

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Speaker 4: just like, well, that would be like six months. You'd

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Speaker 4: That's what I That's what I was. And so I

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Speaker 2: Seventeen year old buddies that are next to you, Like, bloh,

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: What about you, Matt, How old were you when you enlisted?

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Speaker 5: I was just turned I just suit to be nineteen

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Speaker 3: It doesn't it doesn't know it's it's a tracked vehicle.

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Speaker 5: It's tracked twenty five millimeter toe toe launcher.

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Speaker 5: Wow you can Yeah, it holds, uh holds. I think

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe I'm thinking like very command and conquer here,

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Speaker 5: the lab, the lab twenty five, I think is what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm also probably thinking striker in my head

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but still mechanized nonetheless, right, Yeah, you're a mechanized

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Speaker 2: So don't they call the third I D the fuzzy

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Speaker 2: TV screen?

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Speaker 3: It is?

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Speaker 5: Yes, you're right, yeah, the static across the Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, you do. Yeah, see over my shoulder, you

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Speaker 2: have my father's SF. My father was a Green Beret. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's the way a long time ago twenty thirteen is beret.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so you guys go in the military. You

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Speaker 2: A water bottle and a heater right exactly, But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: If you remember two thousand and three, there's like massive

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Speaker 3: I was like, all right, dope, like we felt like

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Speaker 5: But what happened in Iraq, I'm glad I never got

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was racking. Sound that'll get your.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. How crazy would that be.

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Speaker 3: Wait? Wait, you don't really care? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: That's on YouTube. If you want to go find it.

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Speaker 4: few years, I'd found myself producing independent documentaries down in

435
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Speaker 4: South America. Didn't spend a lot of time in the

436
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Speaker 4: Amazon actually I saw that, yes, yeah, and then but

437
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,600
Speaker 4: I was still writing at the time. So I had

438
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Speaker 4: a reading of a play I wrote about a bunch

439
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Speaker 4: of soldiers who were stranded on a mountaintop in Afghanistan,

440
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Speaker 4: and an old friend of mine came and saw it,

441
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Speaker 4: and a few months later he asked me to He

442
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,480
Speaker 4: called me up and he's like, yeah, you know, I'm

443
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Speaker 4: writing for this video game about these the special operators

444
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,439
Speaker 4: who were like having their own like drug war in

445
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 4: Bolivia or something. It's called ghost freakon Wildlands, which you

446
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,919
Speaker 4: like to come write for it. So again, so it

447
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 4: didn't really come from you know, my background is mostly

448
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 4: as a writer. I worked with special operations guys in

449
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Speaker 4: Afghanistan a lot, as like engineer support, and then I

450
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 4: knew South America. Okay, so at the time, Ubisoft really

451
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 4: wanted some kind of authenticity in their games, so I

452
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 4: was brought in to kind of bring some of that,

453
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Speaker 4: and then I had a blast working on wild Lands,

454
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Speaker 4: and then I was asked to I've done well enough,

455
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Speaker 4: I guess that they asked me to come on as

456
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Speaker 4: lead writer when the opportunity came on for Ghostrycome Breakpoint.

457
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Speaker 2: So cool.

458
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I just I just kind of stayed

459
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Speaker 4: in the industry since that's.

460
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Speaker 2: Very cool, very cool. What about you, Matt, What was

461
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Speaker 2: your segue?

462
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've always kind of known that I wanted, Like

463
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 5: I said, before even joining, I was at school for multimedia.

464
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Speaker 5: It was like the most generic scoring degree ever, but

465
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Speaker 5: I knew I wanted to do something with computers. And

466
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Speaker 5: I've always I've always been a gamer, like for my

467
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Speaker 5: whole life, Like I even got bullied for it.

468
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Speaker 3: Middle you know, sonicat I had a big head and

469
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 3: I played Sonic a lot. So yeah, so yeah, it's

470
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 3: like I've always been a gamer. Like It's like it's

471
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 3: always been with me.

472
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Speaker 5: So I when I was getting ready to transition, like again,

473
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Speaker 5: I was at that the training battalion, helping the new kids,

474
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 5: like coming in kind of being that big brother figure.

475
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 5: You're in more of a more of an admin role,

476
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 5: and I knew that's not what I wanted. I always

477
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 5: love ftx's field train exercises were my jam or.

478
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Speaker 3: I loved it.

479
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 5: I was a combat life saver, like I'd even pulled

480
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Speaker 5: some medic duty, like you know, I'd just be kind

481
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Speaker 5: of jack of all trades out there. But being back

482
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Speaker 5: in the admint role just it just killed me. I

483
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 5: just couldn't do it, so I knew, like I wouldn't

484
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 5: want to make this a career. So let's like you

485
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Speaker 5: said before, like having that the guys that couldn't join,

486
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Speaker 5: I always like wondered, like, you know, the guys that

487
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 5: can't be you know, pilots, but they could play Microsoft

488
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Speaker 5: Flight Simulator, the guys that wanted to be you know,

489
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 5: NASCAR drivers as they play you know, you know, ey

490
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Speaker 5: racing or something like this, Like it's that living that

491
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Speaker 5: experience and how do we do that? And so for me,

492
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Speaker 5: it's like I could take my military career make some

493
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 5: type of software or some games and stuff where like

494
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Speaker 5: I was even thinking like movies too, like special like

495
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Speaker 5: special effects with like saving Private Ryan or you know,

496
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 5: black Hawk Down or anything like this that needed effects

497
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Speaker 5: to make it more authentic.

498
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Speaker 3: So that just drove me into.

499
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Speaker 5: Like, okay, games like I could just create a game

500
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Speaker 5: in the future that would make you feel like you're

501
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Speaker 5: in a you know, in a battalion, in a platoon,

502
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Speaker 5: in a squad, like make you feel what you never

503
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 5: could because you just didn't get that opportunity. People have lives, right,

504
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Speaker 5: And so for me, it's just like it was just

505
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Speaker 5: it was a it was it was.

506
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Speaker 3: A long time coming.

507
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Speaker 5: So I made the push to go for school for

508
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Speaker 5: game design and made that transition and found out that

509
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Speaker 5: I'm really good at making three D worlds, and so

510
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Speaker 5: I got a job as a level designer at cry

511
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Speaker 5: Tech and been doing that for the last almost sixteen years.

512
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Speaker 2: Did you use your GI bill to accomplish that goal?

513
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Speaker 3: Fifty to fifty? So here's the deal with the GI bill.

514
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Speaker 5: So it's a physical time right, So it's like I did,

515
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Speaker 5: like like Lewises was saying, I was like behind the curve.

516
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 5: I felt like I was just I needed to go

517
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Speaker 5: because all my friends were like out pacing me. So

518
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 5: I was like, I needed the accelerated program. So I

519
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 5: did a two and a half year school program to

520
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 5: get my four year degree, like I did, no breaks.

521
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Speaker 3: Just let's just power through. Let's go straight up.

522
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 5: But because of that less time length, they pay you

523
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Speaker 5: once you're done with school, well, we don't need to

524
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 5: give you GI bill anymore. So it's like, okay, so

525
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 5: I still have, you know, half the bill to pay.

526
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, I know, tell me about it. But

527
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 5: we're all covered now with our student loan debts and

528
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Speaker 5: we're good. But I was left with the half of it,

529
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Speaker 5: but yes, there was there was a part of it

530
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Speaker 5: that they did cover for sure.

531
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Speaker 2: Right, And I just wanted to bring that up because

532
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Speaker 2: you know, some of our listeners are you you know

533
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Speaker 2: that might be thinking, how do I just go straight

534
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Speaker 2: to college, I'll just leave my GI bill or like,

535
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Speaker 2: is there other types of schooling that can take my

536
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Speaker 2: GI bill to help? Yeah, in the in multimedia, you know,

537
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 2: you know, things like that. So I just like to

538
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Speaker 2: hear we'd like to hear that and thank yeah, sharing

539
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Speaker 2: that absolutely. Did you did you expound on your college

540
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Speaker 2: degree Lewis? Have you moved any more towards it? Are

541
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: you pretty good? Where you're not? Well?

542
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Speaker 4: I actually had, like I said, I was older, I'd

543
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: already graduated, so I was like working so right, But

544
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 4: then I did actually use the GI but when I

545
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Speaker 4: got out there just to take some more business because.

546
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Speaker 2: It's not doctor Lewis today, m D M d ye

547
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Speaker 2: Doctor wild Lands. Yes, I love it. No, it's like

548
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 2: so that's very cool. So there's there's hope for a

549
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 2: veteran out there to transition from the military back into

550
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 2: what we call civilian life. Yeah, and and move forward

551
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: to be successful and you guys are kind of living

552
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Speaker 2: that that dream that is out there. Right someone who's

553
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Speaker 2: listening to this might still be just closing out their

554
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Speaker 2: D two fourteen and going to get all the signatures

555
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Speaker 2: from everybody with matter on the outside. It's like, we

556
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Speaker 2: get all these signatures, but I'm gonna be something.

557
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Speaker 5: To hold on to that document. Yeah, it's that thing comes.

558
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Speaker 2: In you'll need it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll get

559
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: You'll get discounts at the dispensaries. You get discounts at EGO. Yeah,

560
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: we'll just leave it there.

561
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Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, we know.

562
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Speaker 2: Oh that's so funny. If the recruiter only told you

563
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: up front list you can't do it right now. But

564
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: when you get out, you're going to have discounts here.

565
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: You're gonna have discounts there. You're gonna get fifteen percent

566
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: off at the dispensaries over there. Yeah, you'll be good.

567
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 2: You know, go hit the VIA up. Do you guys

568
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: use the VA for anything or you guys currently for

569
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: home loans?

570
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Speaker 4: This is I kind of a this keeps coming up,

571
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Speaker 4: and this keeps coming up. I'm sorry, so when I

572
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Speaker 4: ets in two thousand and four, you know, yes for

573
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Speaker 4: my listener. Sorry, so that's basically when you when an

574
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Speaker 4: enlisted person gets out of the military, it's a process

575
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Speaker 4: known as EATS.

576
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Speaker 6: I can't remember exit terms of service right or some

577
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 6: yeah something, Yeah, okay, So but for the when I

578
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 6: got out, there was a period of like just several

579
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Speaker 6: months during two thousand and four.

580
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Speaker 4: When basically the basically the VA was just overrun by

581
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 4: all these wounded soldiers coming back from Iraq. They're just like,

582
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 4: if you don't have any medical needs, if you're like

583
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Speaker 4: your disability, you're not going to get any VA medical benefits, right,

584
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 4: And so that's the window that I managed to exit, right, So,

585
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Speaker 4: like I don't have any VIA medical benefits. I've gone

586
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Speaker 4: back to check like over the years and now it's

587
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 4: been like over twenty years.

588
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, you have a health provider. So it's like, you.

589
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 4: Know, it's like, yeah, but that's the thing, like especially

590
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 4: when you when I first got out, though, you know,

591
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Speaker 4: like it would have been probably nice to have health

592
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Speaker 4: insurance those first couple of years.

593
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Speaker 2: It really would have been, and we should we should

594
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Speaker 2: be mad about that.

595
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's still kind of annoyed. But but you

596
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Speaker 4: see that said though, like the the in service medical

597
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Speaker 4: care I've always been like very ambivalent about let's say, so,

598
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Speaker 4: so one thing that they had in the eighty second Airborne,

599
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Speaker 4: I'm like talking.

600
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Speaker 2: Shit now, so spare with me.

601
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 4: But uh, the dentists there had a quota on the

602
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: number of fillings that gave per month. That's because to

603
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 4: be like jump ready, your your dental needs to be

604
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 4: in order or something. So because you know, like you

605
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 4: got to be anywhere in eighteen hours or something as

606
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 4: like in the eighty second, so you don't want to

607
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: show up in that after your soldiers to be like

608
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 4: full of cavities. I guess I don't know, but either way, So,

609
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 4: like I went in for to the dentist on my

610
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 4: last dental visit and like I had probably had like

611
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Speaker 4: just needed a cleaning, or maybe I had one cavity,

612
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Speaker 4: but I ended up leaving with like three or fillings.

613
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Speaker 3: So did they make them for you?

614
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, they just gave it.

615
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 4: They were just like, oh, yeah, that that'll be a cavity,

616
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Speaker 4: So we're just gonna go ahead and drill it out

617
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Speaker 4: a little more and put a filling.

618
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Speaker 2: And you're like, but you're an e three right right?

619
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Speaker 3: Right?

620
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Speaker 2: Is the thing? Right? You're like, what about you over here, bro,

621
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: and spit and spit and yeah, spit right, you know.

622
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Speaker 4: So that's why I've never really pushed too hard to

623
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 4: try to get via medical benefits.

624
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you, I got you. But I just

625
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 2: want to say, you know, come on now, let's make

626
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: sure that everybody that gets them deserves them, gets them.

627
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Speaker 3: Yeah. It blows in my mind that he doesn't have them.

628
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Speaker 3: I couldn't.

629
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Speaker 5: I couldn't comprehend that part. But yeah, I've used my

630
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 5: via medical benefits and the V loan I bought purchased

631
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Speaker 5: his house with using.

632
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Speaker 2: That, so I wouldn't have my I'd be renting today

633
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: if I didn't have a VA Home loan. Yeah. Yeah.

634
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: The Homeland thing is is great, incredible. So I mean, like, like,

635
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Speaker 2: let's just say I am. I am cashing in on

636
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Speaker 2: my VA Home loan from nine I got in during

637
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Speaker 2: the Obama buy a house, we give you money. Yeah, okay,

638
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: Holy yeah, dude. They gave us eight thousand dollars when

639
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: we bought our house in two thousand and nine from

640
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: the government. It was a grant and then the seller

641
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Speaker 2: put a new roof on for us. It was a

642
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: short sale. They paid all closing costs and I think

643
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: I got something else out of the deal. No PM

644
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: I uh you know, my my lenders like, I feel

645
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: like you're stealing this, and I'm like, hey man.

646
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Speaker 3: It's yeah, just taking the player.

647
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah I did. He's the house locked in and uh,

648
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: you know, here we are twenty twenty five. Fireplace is

649
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: still going. So I do give credit to the home

650
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: loan and the VA home loan there. But I fancy

651
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: I went to physical therapy after I got out because

652
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: I got injured, and uh, they put me in a

653
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: pool for pool therapy, and it was just a bunch

654
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: of old salty seals that were just really barrel rolling

655
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: each other in the water and I'm holding over the edge,

656
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: just like trying to like do my you know, stretches

657
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: with my legs and whatnot, and they're just like coming

658
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: up for air, You're good, back down into the water

659
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: fighting each other. Dude. I'm like, all right, that's I'm

660
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: taking my dath through a VA all my life, you know,

661
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: to try to get his health and wheelchairs, long hallways,

662
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: my steam mom pushing him her feet.

663
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: You know, what was your dead service? If you don't

664
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: mind me asking what was your dead service?

665
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: He was with the nineteen Special Forces Group out here

666
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: at Special Forces Airborne, but never really like he always

667
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: wore jeans and plaid shirts. You never really you know why,

668
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: that's how they are. You know, we'd go hiking into

669
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: the mountains and his whole team would out of Layton, Utah.

670
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: We'd all go for hikes and you would never know that.

671
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: It was just like a whole a team of dads,

672
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: you know, hiking training with their kids or you know,

673
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: us little kids. They never asked, Hey, why is your

674
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: ten year old son tagging along on all these like

675
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: maneuvers with us, which I didn't realize we're maneuvers until

676
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: now that I'm older. Right out, Dad's like, you're going

677
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: up on the mountain with us today, And I was like, yeah,

678
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: going up the mountain with with dad, you know and

679
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: his guys, all the buddies. So always brought in like

680
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: a moguli to that. I was brought into that culture

681
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: at such a young age. You know. They would star

682
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: drill into a big boulder on top of a waterfall

683
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: up this canyon, and they put rebar in that boulder

684
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: and they bent it into a hook into the other side.

685
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: And so now we just had an immediate d ring

686
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: click and then we would just enbolay down this like

687
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: forty five foot wall fall. Oh that sounds yeah, So

688
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: we just make Swiss seats out of little green ropes,

689
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: you know, and it's from those, bro imagine eleven twelve

690
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: year old little me and my nuts are just right up.

691
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: Dads and guys are like just pulling on the ropes

692
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: and just you know, and they just stunded. I think

693
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: I think Jerry, one of my dad's guys, Jerry Calwell,

694
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: he had a figure eight. It was new. It was

695
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: like the latest thing, you know, and so they were

696
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: like working with figure eights at that point, but it

697
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: was usually just d rings, Swiss seats, and leather gloves.

698
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: Due one guy, his gloves hit through the gloves. His

699
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: hands turned green from the burn from the rope because

700
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: he just did one lead. Yeah, but that's how I

701
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: grow up. And now today flash forward and I'm still

702
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: hunting my friends in the mountains of Utah with you know,

703
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: replica style airsoft guns fully kitted out and you know,

704
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: face paint and night war games. We have tracer rounds,

705
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: so we have suppressors that go on the end of

706
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: our Airsoft rifles. Yeah, and then they have they have

707
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: an infrared sensor that every time the bb goes through it,

708
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: Strobe lights it and so the glow on the dark bbies.

709
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

710
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: That's kind of good.

711
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: Oh, that's cool.

712
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: Find it. You can find it on YouTube. Just look

713
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: up Utah Airsoft Night Games. But we have guys with

714
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: PVS fourteen's white phosphor thermals. Holy no, Joe. It's like

715
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: it's like the US is just like, what's your choice

716
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: of gun? You say, oh, ak, here you go, here's

717
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: an akh M fourteen, Here's an M fourteen. Yeah, and

718
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: then you just get to work with it.

719
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: That's funny, that's all what we're doing it.

720
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: It's so cool and that's and it's like the video

721
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: game comes to life for uh those you were talking

722
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: about who's driving that I that I Force car or

723
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: who DA's car, who's driving the simulators? In fact, I

724
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: have a young man fifteen years old is when I

725
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: met him, joined the Utah Air National Guard as a PFC,

726
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: turning his wafflet packet, became an Apache pilot, has the

727
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: full total full system in his front room to fly.

728
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: Like yeah, DC combat simulator, the whole thing crazy.

729
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah he is, and he still loves Airsoft. Right, it's

730
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: just all video game blending in with you know, real

731
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: life and now, and he's gone and done it.

732
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: Yep.

733
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: So what we see here at Soft Rep is like

734
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: today's air Softer might be tomorrow's Lewis or tomorrow's Matt

735
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: or tomorrow's you know, Navy Steel Sniper Total or maybe

736
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: the kid has asthma and he can't join, but he

737
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: gets to you know, at least pala around and get

738
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: into a pillbox.

739
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: That's awesome. Love that, that's cool.

740
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like a video game, right, just go

741
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: go crawl, you know, get into a pill box. Now.

742
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: I'll tell you something about Rainbow six that's tough for me,

743
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: is the teamwork. I'm too loud, I run.

744
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: I'm just like like Siege the News.

745
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: Six sis. Yeah. Yeah, the guys were playing it. I

746
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: kind of moved away from playing it so much because

747
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: you know, when you're playing these other first person shooter

748
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: games that are out there, there's just really no rhyme

749
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: or reason and you're not like exactly, there's no alert

750
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: like a dog's like you know, you're like, oh, I

751
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: just alerted a century. I'm gonna keep running. No, I'm

752
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: learning all the centuries, and then I go squat by

753
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: my guys. They're like, yo, Rad, you're getting us killed,

754
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: you know, And I'm like, I hope you know what

755
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: I'm talking about here, Ok.

756
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: Yes, totally, but it's like, yes, that's honestly though, that

757
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: kind of play is one of the things that we're

758
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 4: trying to address with the game designing that we're working on.

759
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 4: Victory's Grave outflank, so where it's straight up you know,

760
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: five versus five at this point, you know, maybe maybe

761
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 4: you explain it.

762
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, So we're starting starting as as lean of a

763
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 5: production as we can with like when it comes to

764
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 5: the scope of what we're trying to make, it's just

765
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 5: like something that will be achievable. Like again, your Rainbow

766
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 5: Succeedge is five y five. We can always scale up

767
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 5: from here. But yeah, the idea is to get guys

768
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 5: like you or you know, the other air softre is

769
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 5: to kind of like be able to like implement their

770
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 5: tactics that they've you know done in the like in

771
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 5: US Airsoft session, but in you know, in a virtual world,

772
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 5: and then also come together, Yeah, come together and play

773
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 5: against other teams as well that are kind.

774
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 3: Of outset to do the same thing.

775
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 5: So we're trying to like exaggerate the realism of what

776
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 5: it's like to be, you know, having rounds fired back

777
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 5: at you. With most most games, like your Call of Duties,

778
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 5: your Battlefields, if you really look at how it's played,

779
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 5: even Rainbow succeede.

780
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 3: They model the guns on like what.

781
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 5: It's like to shoot at a range, right, you know,

782
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 5: it's just like okay, cool, Like it's here's how the

783
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 5: site's aligned, this is how the recoil is no problem.

784
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 5: But no one really really does the what rounds do

785
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 5: to you coming back at you?

786
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: And like I think you know you you you.

787
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 5: Kind of probably feel this with airsoft, Like you know,

788
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 5: you're not necessarily gonna die, so you can take more

789
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 5: riskier moves, right, so you can kind of like do.

790
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 3: Some of these things.

791
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 5: But in reality, you want to run across this open field,

792
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 5: you know, just you know Leroy Jenkins that you're probably

793
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: gonna in real quay.

794
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah you're gonna still real quick.

795
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 5: But if you know, Lewis is providing some see fire

796
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 5: and covered me and we can bound up together like

797
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 5: literally the correct bound in maneuver like, yeah, it's it's

798
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 5: applied in it it works.

799
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally so.

800
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what a lot of us gravitate to.

801
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: I remember some of the games like so Calm Navy

802
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: Seals bro obsessed with that game. You know. It's like, yes,

803
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: I'm under the ladder, got the guy, you know, totally

804
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: like that. And you know, we really build our community

805
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: here off of Counterstrike, and so in the beginning, we

806
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: all were like Beata players here in Salt Lake, and

807
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 2: then we went to like the new version and then

808
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: the CS and all that stuff, But it was always

809
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: with Mike's we always and what's funny is our team

810
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: was based off of those guys in the game. They

811
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: started creating a little forum for Airsoft on our website,

812
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: and it would always be like the top threads. When

813
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: they'd come in to see what was going on with

814
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: counter Strike, it was always like Airsoft and they're like, hey,

815
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: are you guys playing this outside? Are you guys going

816
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: outside from the video game and playing this in real life?

817
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: We're like yeah, it's like are you guys geared up

818
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: and gear? Are these folk? And pretty soon we went

819
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: from like a little section for a form of Airsoft

820
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: to like half of it was the Airsoft and the

821
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: other half was video games. So we know very well

822
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: that it blends and not only bland with Airsoft, but

823
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 2: with like usurrect. You know, United States Army Recruiting Command

824
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 2: loves video games. Oh yeah, they're like, hey, you guys

825
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: have this video server, can we advertise in it?

826
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 5: And yeah, shit, I played America's Army. You remember America's Army.

827
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 5: The first person shooter is a recruiting.

828
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: Tool, so good, yes, yeah, I.

829
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 5: Learned like sports, the slap pole releases, observed like tap,

830
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 5: like the whole thing, Like how did like do Weaponman?

831
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 5: And then even like I heard this story about a

832
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 5: kid in Arizona, I think when I was going to

833
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 5: school there. He was able to provide medical attention to

834
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 5: someone on the side of the road that got into

835
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 5: a car crash because of America's Army told him like

836
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 5: did the little basic training medical like this is how

837
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 5: you apply a turn to kit x Y and Z.

838
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 5: There's an open wound, a sucking chest wound, x Y

839
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 5: and Z. It's like right, he didn't like you wouldn't

840
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 5: know this unless he did it, but he played it,

841
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 5: and it just kind of like, oh, I remember this,

842
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 5: and I could apply in real life.

843
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: Crazy need to apply. You need to know what you

844
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: guys need to do. You need to subliminally not subliminally,

845
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: you need to put into the game homework.

846
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: Okay.

847
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: I think they're just like saying right now is like,

848
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: if you do it enough and you repetitive enough on

849
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: the process, all of a sudden he's like, Oh, there's

850
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: a car as in it sucking chest wound. Why is

851
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: America's army theme song playing while I'm doing it?

852
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

853
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: Totally that it is totally Yeah, And like you said,

854
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: if someone's doing the race par stimulator and then they

855
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: get into a.

856
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 5: Race car, it applies the basics into your head and

857
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 5: they just become second nature. Like you just kind of like, oh, okay,

858
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 5: I know that I know how to trail break. I

859
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 5: know I you know, like to feather the throttle, like

860
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 5: to short shift or whatever. Like you can learn these

861
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 5: terms and you learn how like these different I guess

862
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 5: techniques behind the simulator. Then when you get behind the car,

863
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 5: obviously the g forces and you know, the feedback and

864
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 5: the sounds and the smells, that's something you have to learn.

865
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 5: But the basics are there. You understand like how to

866
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 5: enter a corner, how to hit your apexes and like

867
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 5: fly as well, like to whatever it is.

868
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 2: Like, you know, we say, the safety with Airsoft, nothing

869
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: replaces the smell or the real thing.

870
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

871
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, nothing's going to replace the the violence

872
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: of a gun, okay, which is what it is. But

873
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: in Airsoft, you know, the only bad habit we have

874
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: is we're, you know, intending to shoot each other all

875
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: the time. Ye Peo were like, you got a bad

876
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: habit and Airsoft and I'm like tell me the bad habit,

877
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you the bad habit, and the bad

878
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: habit is. No, everybody's really disciplined. No one's really like

879
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: flagging outside of the game, right, It's like everybody's like

880
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: weapons down, the bags are out, safeties are on, all

881
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: that kind of flares, you know, don't shoot yourself kind

882
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: of thing. But yeah, once the game is on, dude,

883
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: we're like we intend, you know. So it's quite interesting

884
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: these games. I just I love it so much. You know,

885
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: we have players from Call of Duo that come out

886
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: and play Airsoft with us here in Utah, full on

887
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: load outs from the game that they how do they

888
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: do they did great. It was the dude with the

889
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: sliced eye. Oh, what's his name? He's the actor, he

890
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: lives here and he came and played really yeah, yeah,

891
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: I want to say his name was Stitch. But he's

892
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: got the wide eyes from Call of Duty Modern or

893
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: from a World at War.

894
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: And he's one of the main I haven't played that one.

895
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: Well yeah, no, and I don't mean to bring up

896
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: other games, but.

897
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's working.

898
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: Did you bring up did you guys work at Valve ever?

899
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: Did you guys work at No?

900
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: Not no, I didn't know.

901
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: Tell me who you guys work with right now? Can

902
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: we hear the engines?

903
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lewis go for it.

904
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 4: Yeah no, So so what we're working with right now

905
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 4: in terms of our stuff, So we're working in Unreal

906
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 4: engine right now.

907
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: Unreal Yeah and the.

908
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so again, Matt's been building a lot of stuff

909
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 4: in there.

910
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: We're right now.

911
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 4: We have like the first playable prototype done, like we

912
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: shipped that like last August, which is just well like

913
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 4: the internal first build of it right just to see, Okay,

914
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 4: is this a game?

915
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: And is this fun?

916
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 4: So luckily it was a game, and it was a

917
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: hell a lot of fun. So now we're working towards

918
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 4: the vertical slice, which is just like making like one

919
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 4: slice of the pie of the whole game, you know.

920
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: So like, well, we will be working towards creating one

921
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: like full level one, full full battlefield basically and with

922
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: all the features that we can that we intend to

923
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 4: have for when we launched.

924
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: So you know, we're.

925
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 4: Working towards that and a lot of that work now on.

926
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 4: Matt's working on the features and stuff. But we still

927
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 4: need to get like art into the game so that

928
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 4: it doesn't just look like generic you know, Unreal Engine

929
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 4: five town. Yeah, you know, we want to get like better,

930
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 4: you know. So we're also setting our our game and

931
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 4: like an alternate version of the eighties, so like we

932
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 4: want to also get like like eighties text love it.

933
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, yes, yeah, we'll put you in the game, man,

934
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: We'll put you in the.

935
00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: Okay, here I am, here, I am Holy dude. Well hey,

936
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: you know, we.

937
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 5: Gotta get you one of those motion suits and the

938
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 5: t pots like yeah.

939
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: You guys, guys, Okay, you can sleep over already. It's okay,

940
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: all right, right, yeah dude, it's totally fine. You kick

941
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: it in front of the Fireplaceny we'll put on Nintendo

942
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: sixty four. We'll go for it some Bond.

943
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna wreck you in some Bond.

944
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: Man.

945
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 5: I used to do this all the time, gold night Man,

946
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 5: You're you're, You're through. No odd jobs, no odd jobs.

947
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: No, we'll do paintball mode.

948
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yes, yeah, what was it? What one hit? Kick? Dude?

949
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 5: All the time. I've done so many midnight sessions with

950
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 5: my buddies. Is back in high school with that ship so.

951
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, dude, it's so great, dude, I love that.

952
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 2: I still to this day. Yeah, song popping up. I've

953
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: got like four Nintendo sixty fours downstairs.

954
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 5: That gong sound gong like whatever. That's in my brain forever.

955
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: The other game I love so much is Twisted Metal.

956
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: Oh my, I just Twisted Metal is the one that

957
00:42:59,080 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 2: I fuck. Yeah.

958
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: That's incredible.

959
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is like Warthog all day. I'll ram into

960
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: you and fire my special Yeah.

961
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: Sweet tooth, baby, sweet tooth.

962
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, your little specter car thrown. It's a little hyper Yeah,

963
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: freaking thermal missiles that means shipped through the walls.

964
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 5: Incredible. Did you ever play Vigilante Eights? It was like

965
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 5: the competitor to V eight, The Vigilante eight.

966
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: No I have not played.

967
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was actually like it gave me.

968
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 5: Like a lot of inspiration because this was like Nintendo

969
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 5: sixty four era exact same style. Like it was this

970
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 5: you know Battle Royale type game where's with a bunch.

971
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 3: Of cars, but I remember specifically this map.

972
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 5: You could shoot like uh, some type of aqueduct type thing,

973
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 5: but it would cause like a massive wave to go

974
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 5: down the level and it'd like push the cars that

975
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 5: were inside the city, like inside the the drain and

976
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 5: flip them upside down, so you could use the environment

977
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 5: to kind of fuck with people and stuff. For me,

978
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 5: oh yeah, this has always been an inspiration for me

979
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 5: everything I designed. I want the environment to kind of

980
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 5: tell more stories than one, right.

981
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Like it actually like you know,

982
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: you lay on the grass, the grass moves, yes.

983
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: More than that.

984
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 5: Like it literally you can like have gameplay implications like

985
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 5: you know, the water level rises, now your car you

986
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 5: can't or your player can't cross the river right because

987
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 5: the environment's changed, like or you can.

988
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: See footprints in the grass.

989
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: Yes, and like oh they're around the corner.

990
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, exactly. But the Golden Eyes started all of this.

991
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 5: It started all of this, like this this work in

992
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 5: my head, like, oh my god, this is so cool.

993
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 3: Could you imagine?

994
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: You know. And the other game that really, you know,

995
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 2: since we're all gamers in here, was Red Alert.

996
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 3: Yes, so totally conquered Red Alert.

997
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't tell you how many times we

998
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: to play, you know, late night sessions of getting Tiberium

999
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: and like you got it, I'm on it. Mission accomplished,

1000
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: no problem, get it moving forward.

1001
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: We'll get you in the sound to voice.

1002
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: Again again again talking like Stefan over here.

1003
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: And then.

1004
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: By the way, oh that's awesome. Now, now the latest

1005
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: game that you guys are working on, tell me the

1006
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: title of that again.

1007
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 4: Victory's Grave Outflank. Yeah, it's not out yet. Again, we're

1008
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 4: still still pre alpha right now, but yeah, you can

1009
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 4: wish list it on Steam if any of you guys

1010
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 4: are shopping there. But yeah, so we're like right now,

1011
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 4: you know, we're there. We're doing our equity crowdfund. But

1012
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 4: if things go well, we'll hopefully be releasing like the

1013
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: early access version of that, you know, which will be

1014
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 4: still be pretty polished, but you know, we still want

1015
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 4: to be able to get input from from players. We're

1016
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 4: hoping to release that within a year.

1017
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: What if what if? What if a veteran is a player,

1018
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: how would they be able to be a part of

1019
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 2: you guys, maybe you know, testing it on them, you know,

1020
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: maybe somebody.

1021
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 4: Has Yeah, we've already been taking steps towards that, you know,

1022
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 4: like right now, we're still our tests are still pretty small,

1023
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 4: you know, but we're talking with like discords like Regiment,

1024
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 4: you know, and we're also you know, we're.

1025
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: We're talking with a lot of different groups.

1026
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 4: Like we're also even talking with like the West Points

1027
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 4: esports teams, trying and get some of their input and stuff.

1028
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: You know. So yeah, like definitely, if there's a high

1029
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: school team that does esports, can they reach out to absolutely?

1030
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, even if you're on Regiment, like reach

1031
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 5: out to join our discord.

1032
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: Just yeah, ask questions.

1033
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and all this, all this stuff, it's all gonna

1034
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 4: be on our website, you know, links to all that on.

1035
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 4: So it's old Glory Studios dot us.

1036
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna I have that right here written

1037
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: down Old Glory Studios. I hold this pencil like David Letterman.

1038
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 2: So you think I'm writing things down. But at the

1039
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 2: end of the day, yeah, I'm writing things down. Bro's

1040
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: we got the pencil, throw it at the camera, yeah,

1041
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: and about it. So, so we should be seeing it

1042
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: on Steam maybe around the holidays, within the year, about

1043
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 2: a year.

1044
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 4: Well again, like so it's listed on Steam so you

1045
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 4: can wish list it. But yeah, we're really again, we're

1046
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 4: really hoping in about a year. So hopefully before March

1047
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 4: of next year we'll have early access release so people

1048
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 4: can really get their hands on it. But again, we're

1049
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 4: gonna be testing the heck out of.

1050
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: It even before.

1051
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 5: Testing is huge, Like the more we can test, the

1052
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 5: more we'll know where to fix, what to improve, like

1053
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 5: how the features work, like if we're on the right

1054
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 5: track or not, and we can make adjustment exactly. You

1055
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 5: gotta test all the time.

1056
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: One hundred you know, like when we do counter Strike

1057
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: back of the day, Yeah, you know, it's like yeah,

1058
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: it's like it's like you can shoot through walls. It's

1059
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: like is that a good thing?

1060
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: Correct?

1061
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1062
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: We have issues?

1063
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so that like that that's basically the same

1064
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 4: as like an early access release now or ye, you

1065
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: know exactly so but yeah, and honestly, though, like one

1066
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 4: thing though that we are we're really trying to figure

1067
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 4: out like how to do it, like in a really

1068
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 4: in a good way, in the way that's easy for

1069
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 4: the players. Is we really want the game to be

1070
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 4: free for veterans and active service members just because you know,

1071
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 4: like it's one of the like one of our missions

1072
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 4: as a studio is to honor you know, veterans, just

1073
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 4: to honor service.

1074
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: You know.

1075
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 4: So because honestly, like again, like Matt and I we

1076
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 4: both come from like these big Triple A like Tom

1077
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 4: Clancy games and stuff. But it's we've gotten to a

1078
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 4: place where the the authenticity that we used to have

1079
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: in these games, all these games you know that we're

1080
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 4: talking about, it's it's really gone.

1081
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: Now.

1082
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 4: You play Call of Duty, you can play as a

1083
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 4: Ninja Turtle, you can play.

1084
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 5: My favorite CARDI B is jam Fortnite zero, you know

1085
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 5: what exactly.

1086
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's towards that Fortnite kind of thing.

1087
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a problem.

1088
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1089
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 4: But then like there are things that are you know,

1090
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 4: more hardcore, Like I'm sure a lot of your airsopts

1091
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 4: guys and stuff are playing Arma, you know what I mean.

1092
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 3: See the squad Squad.

1093
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, sand Box, these are these are much more

1094
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 4: like like they're great games, but again like they're they're

1095
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 4: not accessible as accessible absolutely, you know, these games like

1096
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 4: Ghost three, kind of wild Lands or like the Division one.

1097
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, like Call of Duty ten years ago

1098
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 4: or something. You know, So we want to have that.

1099
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 4: We wanted to feel authentic but still be really accessible,

1100
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 4: and I don't know, like the authenticity is like in

1101
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 4: my experience has always been a struggle, you know what

1102
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 4: I mean, like the whole time, like from almost day one,

1103
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 4: you know, there's been like, uh, it's always been like

1104
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 4: a French or Canadian developer trying to tell me this

1105
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 4: is how I'm not going speck ups be you know,

1106
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 4: just like nobody calls them specups man.

1107
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: You know.

1108
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 4: So so that's the thing. And I think you know,

1109
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 4: players can kind of they can see if they can

1110
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 4: feel it, you know, when it's not real. And I

1111
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 4: think that's a lot of that is also why the

1112
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 4: developers are no longer trying to even make it like

1113
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 4: seem real. You know, they're like, oh, it's easier we

1114
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 4: can make and it'll be easier cash in. We're just

1115
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 4: throwing the terminator into the game, and you know, and

1116
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 4: it works.

1117
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are.

1118
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: Plenty of people who love playing it.

1119
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 3: It doesn't work, that's the problem.

1120
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 4: But there's this there's this big gap though, there's this

1121
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 4: all there are a whole bunch of people who want

1122
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 4: this kind of authentic feeling but accessible game that just

1123
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 4: isn't there anymore.

1124
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: So, right, It's kind of why people don't want to

1125
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: see a lit body when it gets shot, but they

1126
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: want to see it turned into like little pixels.

1127
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah that is me the finals, man. You

1128
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: see them.

1129
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 5: They can turn into coins, right, it's like, yeah, that's right, Yeah,

1130
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 5: they turn into money.

1131
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1132
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a gun on cod that it's old school,

1133
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: but the skin is it turns you into little pixel blocks.

1134
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 3: Okay, just kind of material.

1135
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: Exist in saying, dude, somebody shot me once with it

1136
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: and I was like so mad that my body was gone,

1137
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: and I was like these little blocks. I was like,

1138
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: I was like, I have to have that gun, dude,

1139
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: And so I went and got the skin. I rarely

1140
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 2: pay for things on these things, but I paid for it.

1141
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: I also have a roadblocks. Accounts don't don't fault me.

1142
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, what you gotta do a lot?

1143
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I got stock in the place I was like,

1144
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: well why.

1145
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: You go, I mean that makes sense then you know.

1146
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: That's yeah, well what a platform.

1147
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's what we're trying to look at. Is

1148
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 5: this another take on how we handle that sort of stuff.

1149
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 5: Like again, this whole like you could be play as

1150
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 5: Nicki Minaj or Ninja Turtle, Like this is for the

1151
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 5: individual person, like, yeah, you want that gun, no problem.

1152
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: Our take is is team based. It's team bound.

1153
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 5: If you think like the eighty second Airborne third i D.

1154
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 5: One hundred and first will have our individual identities within

1155
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 5: the military and like your your airsop squad. I'm sure

1156
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 5: you guys have your little cultures too that you're bound to.

1157
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 3: Absolutely. So this is like the focus that we're looking

1158
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 3: for is instead of like focusing strictly and solely on

1159
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: individuals and trying to you know, get a dollar from

1160
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: each person, Well, it's cool, like you will if you

1161
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 3: want to set up a team, will start to you know,

1162
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 3: revolve the structure around teams and how like they collect

1163
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 3: and you know, maintain and progress their characters. So like

1164
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 3: if you're on this team, like the eighty second Airborn,

1165
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: you get this helmet, this glove, this, you know, top

1166
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 3: vest this and so then if you're off the team,

1167
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 3: like sorry, you either retire, we kick you out, like

1168
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: your you'r's not good enough. Will you lose those benefits?

1169
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 5: You lose those perks for being on that team, And

1170
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 5: like they can have their own internal culture, and that's

1171
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 5: what we want to kind of create, and.

1172
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: Within that internal culture and within that specific unit and

1173
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: within that specific individual wearing the gear. If you had

1174
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 2: a way that we could take the controller ye in

1175
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: the buildout of the character before we go fight, it's like, oh, hey,

1176
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 2: by the way, you can push the button and it

1177
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: takes you to the shop that has the helmet that

1178
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: you can buy like a bump helmet, and I correct it,

1179
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: buy that bump helmet.

1180
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 3: But you buy it for your whole team.

1181
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 2: With the whole team Yeah, but no, but for but

1182
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: for real having oh.

1183
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, real life there you go.

1184
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so your character you're sitting there playing around,

1185
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, yeah, you already like that kit you've

1186
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 2: dressed person up with like the full on Like yesil,

1187
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 2: It's like.

1188
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 4: I definitely think that there there is towards that. Yeah,

1189
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 4: you know, like especially if you watch like a lot

1190
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 4: of Amazon shows, you know what I mean, Like Amazon,

1191
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 4: like Fashion Hills will be like, well this dress won

1192
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 4: this week, now you can.

1193
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: Go buy it right right right like it.

1194
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 4: It was kind of a it's kind of the next

1195
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 4: logical step, I think.

1196
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 3: So yeah, T Store or whatever.

1197
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, oh, hey, the watch

1198
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 2: just dropped. You can get over the one hour, thirty

1199
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: seven minutes and season three.

1200
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 3: Special or something.

1201
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, Like you know, if people would buy

1202
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 2: that orange watch from Wildlands, that's Wildlands has that watch.

1203
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 3: That's the Divisions division. That's what division.

1204
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: That's me yeah right right yeah that watch right yep, yeah,

1205
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: my smart smart watch. I got that as like the

1206
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: the screen, right, I mean, like, how do I buy that?

1207
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: It's like, oh right here it's for sale, you know,

1208
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: and you can get your character to have it.

1209
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 5: Well, it's just another way that we're looking at just

1210
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 5: to approach from instead of looking at like individuals. It's just,

1211
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 5: you know, I feel like it's it's just it's kind

1212
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 5: of uh rude to look at players as just you know,

1213
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 5: basic cash cows. But again, if you want to play

1214
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 5: for these teams, they can customize and build their own

1215
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 5: teams and you're not charging the individuals. Like if I

1216
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 5: want to own a team, I can be the team

1217
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 5: owner and I can buy whatever gear like I can

1218
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 5: buy everything. I'll purchase all right, and then my team

1219
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 5: has access to everything. If you play with me or

1220
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 5: you know, I can like but I you know, if

1221
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 5: you're gonna play on my team on a charge at

1222
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 5: twenty bucks a month per player to play for me individually,

1223
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 5: that's not us as a studio doing that. That's the

1224
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 5: team owner and specific. But if you're you know, you're

1225
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 5: like a you just hit the lottery or whatever. You

1226
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 5: just want to own a team, and you know, just

1227
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 5: come play for me. You can play for free. Like

1228
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 5: a kid you know that's just has up and coming

1229
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 5: talent he but doesn't have the funds to play.

1230
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: He could totally play.

1231
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, just he's that gets recruited in

1232
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 5: the NBA or the NFL or something.

1233
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 3: It's it's that sort of situation.

1234
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 5: But if I wanted to play in the NBA, they're

1235
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 5: gonna charge my ass to like, you know, you're gonna

1236
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 5: pay us to play.

1237
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think about that aspect. Thing about it

1238
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 2: pay to play, bro like, but the teams decide the team.

1239
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: I thought it would be a draft almost kind of

1240
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: like hey dude, you're.

1241
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, totally, yes, yeah, absolutely, there's they totally be

1242
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 5: season stats, like you can make yourself a free agent

1243
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 5: become like but you have to like subscribe to a

1244
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 5: team for one season, right.

1245
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: I guess that, but I mean like to pay to

1246
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: play because the guy. But then there's a sponsor. I mean,

1247
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: a sponsor should be taking care of you.

1248
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 3: Well that's the whole point. This is where we go.

1249
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 5: As for us as developers, we're getting like it's like

1250
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 5: the NFL. The NFL gets paid whether there's thirty two

1251
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 5: teams in the league or not. Right, the teams are

1252
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 5: paying the league fee. But then the teams can pay

1253
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 5: to have players, Like the teams can be sponsored by

1254
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 5: you know, Red Bull or whatever, and like, okay, we're

1255
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 5: gonna pay this kid, you know, ten grand to play

1256
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 5: for us for one season.

1257
00:55:58,560 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 3: Like they can do that, no problem.

1258
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 2: Esports work.

1259
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 3: That's totally how esports work. That's exolutely.

1260
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 4: But one of our differentiators at that is that we're

1261
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 4: really trying to like we're actually talking with a lot

1262
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 4: of people in the esports world right now because we're

1263
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 4: really trying to make sure the game can launch with

1264
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 4: those kind of team based stretchers that a lot of

1265
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 4: people playing esports are like they need to get some

1266
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 4: other software added on, or.

1267
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 5: It's designed from the ground up. It's designed to have

1268
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 5: that implemented from the beginning.

1269
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 4: And if you don't play, even if you're not thinking

1270
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 4: about being a competitive esports thing, it's just more it's

1271
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 4: just easier to get your friends together, you know what

1272
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 4: I mean.

1273
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: Team manager.

1274
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 5: You're not like you just you're not very good player,

1275
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 5: but you like like fantasy football types of just manage

1276
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 5: your team and like sit their schedules and hey, hey,

1277
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 5: lewis you got you got a game Friday night at

1278
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 5: three or whatever.

1279
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, cool.

1280
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: Right, because you're yeah, exactly, you could. Yeah, you really

1281
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 2: can't take it from that yes process of like a

1282
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 2: fantasy football and bring.

1283
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 3: It into one hundred percent.

1284
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 5: I just want to manage a team, you know, and

1285
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 5: I'm gonna set the lineup, like we have ten players,

1286
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 5: but it's a five y five, so I have to,

1287
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 5: you know, pick my five starters.

1288
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 3: Right.

1289
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: Jeez, dude, I can see my friend Marjan doing at all.

1290
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 5: Yes, there's a there's there's an end for everybody. We're

1291
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 5: not just looking at the sweat, you know, the kids

1292
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 5: and mom's basement just you know, sweating behind their computer screen.

1293
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 5: This is stuff for like guys with like kids in

1294
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 5: the schedule, Like you don't have time to play twenty

1295
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 5: four hours a day, you can still contribute and you

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00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 5: can still have fun. You can still actually be a

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Speaker 5: big part of the process.

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Speaker 2: Because all of our kids are just playing and constantly, right,

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Speaker 2: I'm constantly I'm a forty computer No, and my twenty

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Speaker 2: two year old daughter, my sixteen year old son, those two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah on the games, locked in, like.

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00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: Really good at it. Yeah, locked in. And so they're

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00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 2: gonna be stoked that I had this conversation first of

1304
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 2: all with you guys, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, I talk

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00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: to these guys all the time. It's no big deal.

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Speaker 4: One thing too, that that that were that was pointed

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00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 4: out to me, like recently said like it's for younger people,

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00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 4: Like it doesn't make sense to say, oh.

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00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: I'm a gamer.

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00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 4: That's like makes every much sense of saying is I'm

1311
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 4: a TV watcher?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 4: Everybody does it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's not a flex anymore.

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00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, when kids at meet they're not like they're not

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00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 4: like do you play video games? No, it's what game

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00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 4: do you play?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Or it's like you play roadblocks?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? What type of gamer are you not? If you

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 3: are one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the question in the Airsoft shop when I

1322
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: ask a kid that comes in, I'm trying to like

1323
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: drill down on what they're looking at on the gun wall.

1324
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: So what game are you playing? And they're like, oh, Siege.

1325
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, do you want the EVO scorpion that

1326
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: Ella uses? Right? You want that? It's like, what what

1327
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: do you like?

1328
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: You know? Do you want that?

1329
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: Wife right in here? Well, I'm doing we're blending right now,

1330
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: we're blending, and we're blending. Okay, nice, Yes, And you

1331
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: know I love this conversation and I want to welcome

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Speaker 2: you guys back to soft rep at any time when

1333
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 2: you have an update or any type of a mentor

1334
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Speaker 2: you create another offshoot of esports going on, whatever it is,

1335
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: if you guys have something to say, you guys are

1336
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: always welcome to come on a soft rep and let

1337
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 2: our listener viewers know all about it and appreciate. I

1338
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: loved going down this road and thanks for talking talking

1339
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 2: about some of your military history and I know that

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00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 2: is what you were and who you are today is

1341
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: who you are today. So you know, matter respect you

1342
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 2: and airborne up here and mechanized down here. So you know,

1343
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Speaker 2: if you had something to say to anybody that listen

1344
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: what they get from this, you know, I'll give you

1345
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 2: like a little bit of a closing thing. What would

1346
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: you say, Hey, thanks for listening. This is what we

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00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 2: want you to hear.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'd say, yeah, thanks for listening. You know,

1349
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 4: if if somebody who's in or somebody's transitioning or is

1350
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 4: coming out like you know, like it, it may take

1351
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 4: time to find your way, but you know, just stay

1352
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 4: open and keep trucking. You're gonna find a good spot.

1353
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 4: And if anybody wants to find out more about Old

1354
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 4: Glory Studios, about our game, about our equity crowdfund right now,

1355
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 4: just go to Old Glory Studios dot us. There's also

1356
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 4: links to our discord there, so please join our discord.

1357
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: You know, regiment right No, no.

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00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 3: No, that's our own discord, Our own discord.

1359
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 4: Oh, our links to our own discorder in there on

1360
00:59:59,560 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 4: that websit.

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Speaker 5: Regiments like the veteran Yeah, it's a totally different one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I got you, I got you. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, just just join our discord and then

1364
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 4: you know, like like everyone there, that's where the news

1365
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 4: we release, any news of our stuff comes out first.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And you know, like if you're interested in joining a

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01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 4: play test down the road and probably just a few months,

1369
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 2: That's the best way, that's the best place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Shoot, is a message for sure, absolutely, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: For sure. I'm gonna go take my two thousand and

1373
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: six uh Steam account. There you go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a few updates to do.

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01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. My son's like that, Oh you're good, You're good.

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01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my son's like, Dad, your account. You know,

1378
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: it's like, wow, two thousand and six. Yeah, dude, I

1379
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 2: don't know if that's good or bad. But relatives there

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Speaker 2: bredon jack On.

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Speaker 3: Yeh all day mg a church bro.

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Speaker 5: Yeah go ahead, feeling like the guy and yeah the

1383
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 5: Sniper the Tower of Saving Private Oh yeah, bro.

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01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 3: That's me.

1385
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: Put me within one mile of Hitler, Bro, it'll war

1386
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 2: be over boys, that's what's up. Oh see, you guys

1387
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: are always welcome back. Great vibes, great positive energy. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to close us out by saying thank you to Matt,

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01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 2: thank you to Lewis, thank you to Old Glory Studios

1390
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: dot US for coming on the show and talking to

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01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: us about all their cool uh uh Tom Clancy division,

1392
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 2: you know, all of these different Wildlands games that they're

1393
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 2: doing and just making moves in the industry of esports

1394
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: and games. Man, it's so cool to talk to you guys.

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01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: So on behalf of myself Brandon Webb, the owner of

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01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 2: softwarep dot com and and my listener. I want to

1397
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 2: say thanks so much for being here.

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01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 4: Guys, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm with that. I'm saying peace.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to self red Lady h