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Speaker 1: The volume What is going on Everybody? John Middlecock Three

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Speaker 1: and Out Podcast. Hopefully everyone had a fantastic Fourth of July.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna call it a week.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you worked, but always a little

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Speaker 1: weird when the holiday falls in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: work week. Don't blame anyone for checking out before and

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Speaker 1: definitely after Fourth of July festivities. But hopefully you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: him in the sun by a pool with a bruski

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Speaker 1: in hand, a hot dog, a burger, family and friends,

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Speaker 1: because that's what you do on Fourth of July. So

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Speaker 1: hopefully everyone had a good time. And uh, back to

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Speaker 1: talking about football. And here's what we will do today.

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Speaker 1: We will have on t Bob Abar. He is the

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Speaker 1: co host with Aaron Murray of Snaps here on the Volume.

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Speaker 1: He's a uni personality. I stumbled upon him last year

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Speaker 1: when Snapped the Volumes sec podcast. It's like, who is

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Speaker 1: this guy? He is a madman and he's very entertaining.

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Speaker 1: He's one of those guys who's just a natural fit

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Speaker 1: for the medium. I mean, he's perfect. He hosts a

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Speaker 1: big radio show with Jacob Hester in New Orleans. His

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Speaker 1: dad Bobby a bear longtime quarterback. He played football for

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Speaker 1: a team that went to a national championship, lost Alabama,

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Speaker 1: and another one that won it. I think he talks

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Speaker 1: about on the podcast. He was a retchert freshman on

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Speaker 1: that team. He is embedded in SEC land Knows All Things,

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Speaker 1: SEC Loves Football, Loves LSU. We talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about his time when he was an undrafted free agent.

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Speaker 2: He's just good. He's just he's a natural. He's a

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Speaker 2: natural talker.

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Speaker 1: Some of us just got it, you know, and it

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Speaker 1: just he's definitely one of those. So we will dive

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Speaker 1: into the interview. Subscribe to their podcast if you like

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Speaker 1: college football snaps him and Aaron Murr It really is

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Speaker 1: it really entertaining. I'm not just saying that, I legitimately

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Speaker 1: listen because the big part is T Bops. He's he's

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Speaker 1: a one of a kind and you'll hear him coming up.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, the plan we will have a podcast

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Speaker 1: coming out tomorrow. It'll be more football. I'm probably gonna

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Speaker 1: do a golf podcast midweek, even though it's kind of

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Speaker 1: slowing down. There's been a lot of moving parts in

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Speaker 1: the golf world over the last couple of weeks. Since

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Speaker 1: the last time we talked, and other than that, we'll

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Speaker 1: just keep rocking and rolling. We're probably three weeks away

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Speaker 1: from the Vets reporting to NFL training camps, probably a

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Speaker 1: month away in college football for that really to get going.

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Speaker 1: But let's buckle up. Football's right around the corner and

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Speaker 1: can't wait. Baby, I love that smell of grass, Pad's popping. Tackling, Well,

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Speaker 1: there's no tackling in August, because no one actually does

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Speaker 1: anything in training camp anymore.

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Speaker 2: But that's a whole nother conversation.

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Speaker 1: But we will have a lot of dialogue and and

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Speaker 1: thoughts on football, just moving forward because it's football season,

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Speaker 1: well not quite yet, but right around the corner. But

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Speaker 2: Okay. Honored to have one of the Kings of Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking this morning before I press record that

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Speaker 1: when you think New Orleans, you think the Mannings, and

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Speaker 1: you think Bobby and t Bob Abart.

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Speaker 2: What is going on? T Bob? How are we doing job?

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Speaker 2: If you can't tell we're doing good today? Okay.

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Speaker 4: I'm fresh off of ak in which I watched the

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Speaker 4: LSU Tigers battle on the College World Series. Don't know

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Speaker 4: exactly when this is gonna air, but about twelve hours

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Speaker 4: ago I was in an Atlanta airport lounge with a

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Speaker 4: bunch of LSU fans flying back to New Orleans, watching

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Speaker 4: Tommy Tanks hit a walk off and send the Tigers

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Speaker 2: So life is good now.

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Speaker 4: I got home about two thirty am, rolled into my

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Speaker 2: We're on fire.

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Speaker 4: We are not running on fumes, We're running on adrenaline

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Speaker 4: gonna talk so football. So about me, dude, life does

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Speaker 4: not get better. John, very happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to introduce you a little bit for those

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Speaker 1: who don't know your dad, Bobby Time and NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 2: But you yourself, four year starter for the LSU Tigers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, so okay, so yes, I I well,

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Speaker 4: four year letterman, three year starter. My freshman year, I

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Speaker 4: So sophomore year I started at center, The next year

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Speaker 4: two time Jeff Boss Unsung Hero Award, which again that's

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Speaker 4: like a team ward, right, but that's like the ultimate Like, again,

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Speaker 4: you were pretty good, but like great, like you're not

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Speaker 4: I Look, I wasn't gonna you weren't gonna keep me

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Speaker 1: Okay, no one ever looked at you like, you know,

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Speaker 4: In high school I maybe had a little bit of that, dude,

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Speaker 2: So I mean, rivals, good, good on you.

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Speaker 4: But no, but no, yes, I was not Tired Math

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Speaker 4: there because I'll never forget watching Tire Math. That's this

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Speaker 4: and it's beginning of camp. We're just like watching film

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Speaker 2: Pick and we're like, who is this? Like who is

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Speaker 4: He was like a two or three star time, Like

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Speaker 4: nobody knew who tire Matthew not that big. No, he's tiny, dude,

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Speaker 4: He's tiny. But when I tell you that man exerts

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Speaker 4: you see this in all the alpha alphas, guys like

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Speaker 4: Joe I always call it a reality distortion field, right.

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Speaker 4: Tom Brady where like all of a sudden you have

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Speaker 4: And now they're always talented and skilled enough two step

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Speaker 4: through that door once opportunity does produce itself. But Tyer

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Speaker 4: Matthew was unlike anybody I ever shared a locker room with.

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Speaker 4: So no, I was on on those levels though, for sure.

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Speaker 4: But a two time Unsung Hero Award winner. Don't forget

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Speaker 4: it there, John.

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Speaker 1: But you know, in ten and eleven, I was looking

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of people listening right now. They're

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Speaker 1: you know, twenties, thirties. You know, business majors just went

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Speaker 1: to school. They just have always thought, like, what's it

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Speaker 1: you guys would just fucking throttle Tennessee or whoever night

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Speaker 2: Man? I mean, what's it like? It's what people want

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Speaker 4: So it's it's it's interesting, man, because I really ran

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Speaker 2: Because my married man, you got kids now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, no, no, for sure. And actually, look, me

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Speaker 4: But I saw it all because my freshman year we

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Speaker 2: But then the next year we went eight and five.

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Speaker 4: And the same way that you get all the glory

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Speaker 2: You got the meat.

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Speaker 4: You're just spending every single day answering these harsh questions

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Speaker 2: The town just seems generally.

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Speaker 1: Piss But but eight and five at LSU might as

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Speaker 1: well just be like two and ten, right, yeah, And

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Speaker 1: it was like three and five in the SEC and

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Speaker 4: It was easily the worst year in a long time, right,

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Speaker 4: But then we started to climb back, and like you said,

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Speaker 4: the greater the expectations. Yes there are great consequences, but

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Speaker 4: the greater rewards. So when you do do well, it's

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Speaker 4: unlike any feeling you've ever experienced. You go around town

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Speaker 4: you start to feel like like some sort of gladiatorial

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Speaker 4: I was playing, uh, left guard senior year, I believe.

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Speaker 4: Coach Oh, that's my boy. I played for coach Miles.

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Speaker 4: Right, that's a lot of money. But college football is fascinating.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about this.

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Speaker 4: On Snaps a lot, John and and and I'm not

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Speaker 4: a lawyer, and and so and and and so.

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Speaker 4: It's fantastic, Yes, absolutely, and so I'm not a lawyer,

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Speaker 4: right and so maybe there are some angles that I'm

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Speaker 4: missing here, But everybody wants to reform in il reform,

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Speaker 4: and al I don't see how it's possible, and they

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Speaker 4: say things like, oh, we'll do a salary cap, right, Okay,

445
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Speaker 4: that that that sounds good on the surface, But a

446
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Speaker 4: salary cap comes from the school. Pat Mahomes may have

447
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Speaker 4: a contract under a salary cap, but that doesn't stop

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Speaker 4: I don't even know, like State Farm from paying him

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Speaker 4: one hundreds of millions of dollars. Who yeah, exactly. So

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Speaker 4: it's it's like, Okay, you can maybe cap what the

451
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Speaker 4: school or the conference could provide, but how do you

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Speaker 4: ever stop your local business owner who owns the big

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Speaker 4: roofing company and wants the five star quarterback from saying, no,

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Speaker 4: I'll pay him a million dollars a year, and all

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Speaker 4: I need to do is to Instagram posts.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's the exposure that I want. So it's

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Speaker 4: like it is a definite to me toothpaste out of

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Speaker 4: the tube situation when it comes in hel, I don't

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Speaker 4: think that there's any great roadback. I don't see how

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Speaker 4: you regulate it when you look at Justice Kavanaugh's letter

462
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Speaker 4: about any about the NCAA basically being immune to andy

463
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Speaker 4: trust laws for so many years or they never should

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Speaker 4: have been. And so I guess I'm saying this all

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Speaker 4: because we're talking about the SEC, right, and how you

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Speaker 4: mentioned that you've already had this economic trickle down effect,

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Speaker 4: this buy in that's to a concentration of power in

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Speaker 4: college sports. I don't see that momentum stopping, only see

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Speaker 4: that momentum hyper accelerating. But there are going to be

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Speaker 4: other winners as well, right, USC is one because while

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Speaker 4: USC may not have the ratio of buy in from

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Speaker 4: the population, they have way more money.

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Speaker 1: But the Tea Bob, they went to the SEC light

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Speaker 1: in the Big ten, so they yes, they gravitated. They

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Speaker 1: would have not been left behind, but they would have

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Speaker 1: been at a disadvantage. The PAC twelve had major uphill

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Speaker 1: battles that they could never overcome the Big Ten, and

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Speaker 1: the SEC have laughed them right, So I give them credit.

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Speaker 1: They fucking bounced and now they are if Lincoln does

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Speaker 1: it right and he's landing some of these transfers from

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Speaker 1: the SEC. The reason pete one big defense, defense, defense.

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Speaker 1: We know Lincoln coach offense. Then they I'm with you

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Speaker 1: that they will be a foe like Ohio State dude, Right.

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Speaker 4: Lincolnt Riley's a fucking beast, Like this is one of

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Speaker 4: those annoying things that I feel like I have to

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Speaker 4: deal with talking college football, and well, you cruss venables

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Speaker 4: and I.

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Speaker 2: Love it because at last year wasn't it was the air.

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Speaker 4: Look, that's inexcusable for Oklahoma to go sixty seven with

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Speaker 4: that roster going against other big twelve teams like it. Now,

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Speaker 4: now he's done a great job recruiting whatever I mean,

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Speaker 4: But like, I'm not gonna give him the ben of

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Speaker 4: the doubt, right, He's gonna have to make me look

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Speaker 4: like an asshole before I give him credit.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, and exactly right.

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Speaker 4: If that didn't speak the Lincoln Riley's acumen, Look what

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Speaker 4: happened the year after he left to Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: But to me, there's this bit of Southern.

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Speaker 4: Overconfidence, pride, whatever you want to call it, where they

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Speaker 4: just feel like us, he is a finished product. They're like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 4: whatever is a cute year, but they still can't play defense.

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Speaker 2: Guys. It was year fucking one, okay.

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Speaker 4: And when you're looking at Lincoln Riley, he is not

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Speaker 4: Clay Helton. He is not Lane Kiffen at like twenty

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Speaker 4: seven years old or whatever he was. Lincoln Riley is

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Speaker 4: multiple orders of magnitude better than these guys Lincoln. Right,

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Speaker 4: if you had a scale where it's like Clay Helton here,

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Speaker 4: Pete Carroll here, Lincoln Riley is so much closer to

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Speaker 4: the Pete Carroll end of the spectrum than he is

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Speaker 4: the Clay hell when it's not even close. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's won multiple Big Twelve championships, He's now produced three

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Speaker 4: Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks. So nobody can handle the most

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Speaker 4: important position in football like Lincoln Riley can like to

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Speaker 4: act like he's never going to figure it out defensively,

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Speaker 4: I think is absurd, especially now that he's at USC.

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Speaker 4: He has the resource and Hollywood loves a star, right,

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Speaker 4: and Lincoln Riley is that guy. You see them getting

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Speaker 4: guys like Bear Alexander to transfer over from Georgia. They

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Speaker 4: brought in a ton of all conference defenders. Like, I'm

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Speaker 4: not saying that Dephen's gonna be great this year, and

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Speaker 4: it's still a long climb, but I just really want

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Speaker 4: to fight against this narrative or this notion that like,

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Speaker 4: just because US sucked defensively last year, they've always sucked

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Speaker 4: her because Lincoln Riley's never been the best defensively, He's

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Speaker 4: always going to I don't believe that at all.

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Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 4: I think the long term potential of USC is top

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Speaker 4: in the country. I think it's with any of the

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Speaker 4: other major powers that you traditionally think of.

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Speaker 1: I've gotten to this argument, and I don't. I've never

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Speaker 1: lived there, like you haven't. I think you're a perfect

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Speaker 1: guy asked because you know you've lived in one of

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Speaker 1: these towns. Your dad played in the other town in Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: and you know Atlanta. Just the SEC championship game is

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Speaker 1: so big? Is it would probably only be the two teams,

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Speaker 1: the Falcons and the Saints, if LSU, Georgia or just

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Speaker 1: you could even do the Florida teams too. Is there

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Speaker 1: any NFL team can may be bigger than an SEC

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Speaker 1: foot Like?

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Speaker 2: What is more important?

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Speaker 1: SEC football team like LSU and the Saints, Georgia, the Falcons, right,

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Speaker 1: obviously Florida teams like the Bucks and I'm sorry, maybe

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: You're good, but I don't know. They haven't been good

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Speaker 2: in so long.

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Speaker 4: No, for the vast majority of the SEC foot print,

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Speaker 4: what's bigger in New Orleans? Is it the or just

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Speaker 4: Louisiana as a Saints in New Orleans, it is probably

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Speaker 4: gonna be the Saints. The Saints have one of the there.

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Speaker 4: They kind of remind me of kind of your your

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Speaker 4: Northeast fan bases a little bit, where you know it

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Speaker 4: is the end.

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Speaker 2: All be all for a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: For Louisiana as a whole, I'm probably gonna say LSU

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Speaker 4: I think of the Southeast as a whole because a

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Speaker 4: lot of police don't have NFL teams.

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Speaker 2: It is all about the college program.

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Speaker 4: And then what you'll see is like, especially with the

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Speaker 4: team like the Saints, that one of the funny quirks

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Speaker 4: there is that is a time when fan bases that

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Speaker 4: hate each other on Saturday, we'll kind of unite on Sunday,

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Speaker 4: right because they're kind of the Bay Area team. So

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Speaker 4: Alabama crypt and Tide fans are also New Orleans Saints

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Speaker 4: fans Gosha. But if you ask a lot of these guys, okay,

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Speaker 4: you can get another Saint super Bowl or you get

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Speaker 4: another college national championship. I mean, I feel like if

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Speaker 4: you were to ask that to the Southeast, you know,

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Speaker 4: do you want your favorite NFL team win a championship

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Speaker 4: or college football? I feel like the majority of the

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Speaker 4: Southeast would answer college football.

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Speaker 2: And again we live in.

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Speaker 4: An area now where emotional investment becomes economic investment, and

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Speaker 4: like everything else in life, if you have money, it's

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Speaker 4: easier to do things, and it's easier to try to

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Speaker 4: accomplish goals. And so yeah, it's it's and that's actually

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Speaker 4: something that Collach football needs to fight against, like the

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Speaker 4: Big Ten needs to They're they're doing it. Kevin Moore

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Speaker 4: got a great contract, they have all the buy in

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Speaker 4: there as well.

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Speaker 2: But like.

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Speaker 4: It's it's in danger of becoming a bit too regionalized

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, And so.

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Speaker 2: You need the Big Ten to get frisky.

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Speaker 4: You need USC to have success in that conference, like

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Speaker 4: you still need representation from these other portions of the country,

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Speaker 4: though I don't think we're ever going to get it

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Speaker 4: from the Northeast.

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Speaker 1: I think the game of the year just because you know, anyone,

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Speaker 1: I would say, you know, I'm a couple of years

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Speaker 1: older than you. But we've seen you win. We've seen

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Speaker 1: Bama win now forever, we've seen Auburn win, Georgia win.

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Speaker 1: But Tennessee's kind of been down for a while. And

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Speaker 1: last year that night win and then all the viral videos,

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Speaker 1: it was like this is the shit, Like that's incredible.

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Speaker 2: I don't care who you root for. Whatever.

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Speaker 1: That to me was probably none like the National Championship

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Speaker 1: or whatever, which was a dud, but even the Final

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Speaker 1: Four like that was probably the night of the year

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Speaker 1: for college football.

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Speaker 2: That was yeah, absolutely absolutely well And and you guys

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Speaker 2: beat Bama's pretty sweet too, I guess. But on a

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Speaker 2: walk off.

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Speaker 4: There is something yeah, exactly, but but but say the

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Speaker 4: same thing though. It was the same thing though, walk

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Speaker 4: off and walk off, right. But at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day, like one thing that the NFL doesn't have

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Speaker 4: that college football does is it's a more wealthy crowd,

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Speaker 4: a bit of a more corporate crowd.

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Speaker 2: You got to make sure that your fans a little

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Speaker 2: more comfortable.

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Speaker 4: So you ended up with like seventy thousand seat stadiums

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Speaker 4: around there. There's a difference when you got one hundred

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Speaker 4: k in there and they all got the emotional buy

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Speaker 4: in of oh, I chose to go to school here,

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Speaker 4: I gave my tuition dollars here. Maybe I grew up

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Speaker 4: and my parents had me die hard from the beginning,

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Speaker 4: Like there's just a you could I mean, there were

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Speaker 4: there were, there were they were like these volunteers fans

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Speaker 4: were literally spilling tear. It was what you felt in

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Speaker 4: that Tennessee Alabama game was over a decade of anguish

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Speaker 4: finally broken.

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Speaker 2: And I've seen it.

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Speaker 4: That's what you felt at LSU in twenty nineteen when

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Speaker 4: they beat Alabama after struggling for like eight years in

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Speaker 4: a row.

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Speaker 2: Like I'll never forget it. It was.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't just winning a football game. It was this cultural,

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Speaker 4: communal experience. I mean it was in Alabama that year

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Speaker 4: twenty eight team where I'm watching with my neighbors. Everybody's

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Speaker 4: got the kids running around, Everybody boiled crawfish, We're taking

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Speaker 4: jello shots every turnover, every touchdown, just delicious foods everywhere.

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Speaker 4: And as the game ends, it's not just our pocket

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Speaker 4: in the neighborhood celebrity. You could hear just honking and

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Speaker 4: yelling and fireworks all throughout the city.

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Speaker 2: And and you do get that. I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 4: You don't get that in professional sports, but I mean

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Speaker 4: you definitely get it in the SEC. And you saw

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Speaker 4: it in Tennessee last year. You saw it in LSU,

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Speaker 4: and it's just it's it's you feel man playing in

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Speaker 4: the SEC too, when you're in one hundred thousand seat stadium.

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Speaker 4: It's just the closest thing that I can imagine what

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Speaker 4: it felt like to to like be a gladiator back

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Speaker 4: in the day. And that's how I used to approach it.

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Speaker 4: Like to me, when I would get my mind right

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Speaker 4: before the game, I'd just be like humping led Zeppelin

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Speaker 4: in my ears, and putting on the pads is like

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Speaker 4: putting on a suit of armor, and the final piece

648
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 4: was painting the face, and then it was just time

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Speaker 4: to go fucking fight. And when you scored, like next

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Speaker 4: to the student section or something, and you heard that

651
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Speaker 4: crowd and you basically hold up your arms and you

652
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Speaker 4: feel like Russell Crowe, like are you not entertained? It's

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Speaker 4: just it's it's it is a feeling that I have

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Speaker 4: not been able to replicate in any portion.

655
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Speaker 2: Of my of my life.

656
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: And it's the best feeling, right Because I have three kids.

657
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: I love them. I cry at the drop of the

658
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: hat with anything that they do because I'm just you know,

659
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 4: I'm softy. But it's just a different feeling and adrenaline

660
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 4: rush that I can't I'll forever be chasing. Well.

661
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 2: I think you're a good example. You know.

662
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: I have a love hate relationship like social media slash

663
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: the internet. Obviously it's good for our business and you know,

664
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: much needed, but you're also able to find Like you're

665
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: in Louisiana, I am on the West coast. I would

666
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: never beside of knowing, you know, working in football, knowing

667
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: your name, Like I couldn't just watch or listen to

668
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: your shows twenty years ago, right if you know, this

669
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: was nineteen ninety seven, But I'm able to like, obviously

670
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: we're both on the volume, so I snapped, But I

671
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: could listen to.

672
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: Your radio show if I was a big LSU fan.

673
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: And yes, in Sacramento or Seattle or wherever you know,

674
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: you are just you're fucking born for this. But I

675
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: think historically a lot of people like to get a

676
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: job and to be big, you know, in sports. As

677
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: a former player, it's like you gotta have a big name,

678
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: you gotta have a big name. And to me that's

679
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: always been the most like you're either entertaining or not right.

680
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: And so you know, is this something that you when

681
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: you were a player, like I'm gonna be a personality

682
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: or is this something that just organically happened because you

683
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: clearly you're pretty natural at it.

684
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: Oh John, dude, you're making me buss due. It's a

685
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: bit of it. It's a bit of a.

686
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: Mixed bag here where when I was playing the player,

687
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 4: media relationship is very interesting, right because it is inherently

688
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 4: antagonistic a lot of times, even if both parties kind

689
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: of like each other at the end of the day,

690
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: it's always got a little bit of enough versus them feeling.

691
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 4: Now the greats they can work in and they can

692
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 4: kind of manage these relationships. Especially I'm always really impressed

693
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 4: like the beat writers who can do that, who can

694
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 4: keep it on as for the fans, but also like

695
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 4: still not have the players like fuck you, I saw what.

696
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: You wrote about me, blah blah blah.

697
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: So when I first LSU, you guys are covered like

698
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: an NFL T I mean, how how many media members

699
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: showing up to.

700
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, dude, it's it's it's it's you know.

701
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 4: Uh, Tuesday was the day for local media where you

702
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 4: would just do like thirty minutes a team, thirty minutes

703
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 4: of paper. Then you do national things throughout the year. Yeah,

704
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 4: like it's multiple beat right, you know, yes, it is.

705
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: It is every single day, right, And so when I

706
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: first got out of it. I was like, I don't

707
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: do this and don't do this, even though my old

708
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 4: man was doing radio at the time. And this is

709
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 4: where I kind of come back to I don't know, No,

710
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

711
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 2: I did not take.

712
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 4: School as seriously as I should have in college and

713
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 4: he was kind of in the backbarder. So I was like,

714
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 4: I just need agree. So I just did general studies

715
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: or whatever. So I get done with football, I get cut.

716
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 4: I'm kind of looking around like, fuck man, I don't

717
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 4: know shit about shit. Like I'm like, I don't know,

718
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: like what am I gonna if I go back to school.

719
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 4: I don't really want to do that, Like I'm gonna

720
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: find some way to make money. And I'd always had friends,

721
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: and you know, I I in college, i'd become somebody

722
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 4: that they could rely on, being like, you know, send

723
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: tibab out there who won't say anything fucked up. He'll

724
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: get him some good like whatever, Like he's not gonna

725
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 4: get balding bore material. So I got to go to

726
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 4: like SEC media days off, so I knew I kind

727
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 4: of enjoyed it and everything, and then so.

728
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: I was engaged.

729
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 4: I needed to get a job, and I just hit

730
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 4: up one of the local radio stations here and they

731
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 4: were like, okay, look, we'll have you do sales and

732
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 4: then you can do like, you know, Monday and Thursday nights.

733
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 4: And I was shit at sales. I don't have that

734
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 4: grind bone.

735
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 2: I just don't. I'm not good at it.

736
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 4: I would lie and be like, oh, yeah, you know,

737
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 4: I'm out here at Busy's business, and I'd just be

738
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 4: like smoking weed and playing basketball. It just it was

739
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: just it was I was just allflat. But I loved

740
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: the radio portion. So later I was like, Okay, I'm

741
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: gonna try to go in all in on this thing.

742
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 4: And this is where I just gotta be honest. I'm

743
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 4: a huge beneficiary of nepotism. You mentioned my father, former

744
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 4: NFL great love that man. He's a legend in New

745
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 4: Orleans radio. After he retired, he ended up doing all

746
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 4: the Saints pregame, post game and everything. And when I

747
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 4: got done, I sat looking around for jobs, and at

748
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 4: the station that he was working at, they were opening

749
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: up like kind of a smaller assister station and they

750
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 4: wanted to do a morning sports talk show. And thus,

751
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 4: at twenty three years old, I was gifted an opportunity

752
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: that I absolutely did not deserve.

753
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: And I don't tell you obviously you have a last name,

754
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: but you were a several year starter on a team

755
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: that was in the national championship at LSU.

756
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: It's not like you played at McNee State or something.

757
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, like no, I just mean that.

758
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: I just mean in terms of, like you know the players,

759
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: you have, the connections to the coaches.

760
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: I mean, you got an inn with some part though.

761
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 4: I've seen I had to buddy and I kind of

762
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 4: and and and I got jumped to the front of

763
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 4: the line in a lot of ways. And I've always

764
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 4: tried to keep it in front of my mind, not

765
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 4: as a negative thing, and not to try to debase myself,

766
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 4: but more to kind of remind myself to be thankful

767
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 4: for that opportunity and to try to continue to make

768
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 4: the most of that opportunity. And I want to be

769
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 4: honest with others because sometimes people are like, man, how'd

770
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 4: you get in and how'd you do it? And It's

771
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 4: like I had an easier path the most and I'm

772
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 4: trying to make the most of it. And like dude,

773
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 4: getting here on the volume and getting new snaps there

774
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 4: and has been one of the biggest breaks in my

775
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 4: professional career, and I absolutely love it. It's like the most

776
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 4: fun thing that I do every single day. But but no,

777
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 4: but but to be honest, yeah, so that was kind

778
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 4: of how I got my foot in the door. And

779
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 4: then through that, I started doing the night show on

780
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 4: the big station in New Orleans at WWL eight to midnight, which.

781
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: That's a great fucking way to learn to do radio. Dude,

782
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: eight to midnight. I mean, you probably got some callers

783
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: in New Orleans.

784
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 4: I mean, just dealing with some insane hammered people. And

785
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: it was also part political. So I'm a young mid twenties.

786
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: Abortions.

787
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 4: Well, well, like I would say that my politics definitely

788
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: fall on the the the more left side of the issues,

789
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: which did you know, which did not always play well

790
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 4: with the audience.

791
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: So I'm out here, ain't ti men, And I just

792
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: fucking cutting.

793
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 4: My teeth, grind and arguing with drunk callers about sports

794
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 4: and about politics. And so it was just an invaluable experience.

795
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: But but that that night shift is it's just a

796
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: weird existence. And then I was really really lucky where

797
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: coach Joe got the job at l s U and

798
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 4: one of the morning show hosts randomly went with him

799
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 4: to be his like chief of staff essentially.

800
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: So the job opened up here I met that yeah, yeah,

801
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: because Amy guy.

802
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: So funnily enough, Pananski's actually who I went to right

803
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: when I got out of college to get at that

804
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 4: that sales job at one O four five. So it's

805
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 4: funny how the world works. And then so that job

806
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 4: opens up and I jumped at it. Man, I knew

807
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: I wanted a family in the morning schedules.

808
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

809
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's better than night. And uh and

810
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: so here we are now. Man, I've been doing this

811
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 4: morning chore for like six years. Now we're doing the

812
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 4: volume in the afternoon and it's it's it's.

813
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: Just a lot of fun. And I think you hit

814
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: on something important real quick. John. I'm sorry. I know

815
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 2: I'm getting wordy, but fucking the podcast.

816
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 4: But you mentioned being entertaining, okay, and I want to

817
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 4: be paying to clear about this. I am not a journalist,

818
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 4: didn't I go to journalism school. And I think a

819
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 4: lot of people are always like, how's that guy on TV?

820
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 4: Not talking about me? But like you know, they see

821
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 4: like a Kendrick Perkins on TV. What do you I

822
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: can't believe he said this. He was so wrong. You're like, yeah,

823
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 4: but you gotta understand. He's fucking funny and he's entertaining.

824
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 4: He's good to listen to. Like, this job is not

825
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 4: necessarily about being right, like you have to have vacuum

826
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying you can just be some sort

827
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 4: of complete slappy like like your your takes have to

828
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 4: have belief or truth in them. But ultimately, I view

829
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 4: myself as an entertainer, and if you're listen to my

830
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 4: morning show or you're listening to Snaps, I want you

831
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 4: to have fun because the world can be very graating

832
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 4: a lot of times, right, and we all need an escape,

833
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 4: and so I just want you to have some fun,

834
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 4: to have some laughs, and everybody.

835
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: To just go home being like, you know what, I

836
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: was happy. I just listened to that.

837
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: Well, I think, and you know, I've been listening to

838
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: you guys since you started, and what I noticed about

839
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: you is that I think a lot of people push

840
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: back against this modern like people just making up takes

841
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: to like say a take, and if you are, I

842
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: can't tell like there's an authenticity behind it. But you know,

843
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: a lot of especially like former player won't talk some shit.

844
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: And I don't mean just talk shit to talk shit.

845
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't think Brent Vinnables is worth

846
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 1: a salt, say sucks like I think sucks. The most

847
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: overrated coach I've ever seen. Doesn't mean he's a bad

848
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: guy or whatever, but he sticks.

849
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: He's never want to.

850
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: Games, he's never won take games, and I listen, I

851
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: have no problem holding back on coach like Brandon Staley

852
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: with the charters, like get the fuck out of here,

853
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: you know, but like whenever I hear you talking like

854
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: you will blastom people. But it's just like I truly

855
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: believe you believe it when you're saying it. You're not

856
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: just saying it to say it. And that's no, that's

857
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: what what I enjoyed about you.

858
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: That is true.

859
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 4: No, that is true because you can you can, you

860
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 4: can you can sniff out a rat and you can

861
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 4: try to be a hot take guy. But again, there

862
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 4: has to be some modicum of belief. Now, I will

863
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 4: say this, there are situations where I've almost started out

864
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 4: satirically believing a thing, but then I start to like,

865
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 4: like wait a second, actually, like like with Anthony Richardson

866
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 4: right all of a sudden. You know, at first I

867
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 4: kind of fuck with Aaron because he's like, oh, you

868
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 4: should be drafted. I'm like, I don't know, dude, he's physical.

869
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 4: But then I'm like, but I wait, wait, hold on

870
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 4: a second. Now, how many good quarterbacks with great stats

871
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 4: have been drafted that fucking suck? Now, well, draft I

872
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 4: might as well draft the fucking bad one that's more

873
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 4: physically better, Like, if the good ones are gonna suck, like,

874
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 4: I might as well take a shot on the guy

875
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 4: who can throw it eighty yards to a backflip, and

876
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 4: it's way more physically talented. And so sometimes even it's

877
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 4: it's just interesting to me how when you start to

878
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 4: break things down, and our job really, to me is

879
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 4: just thinking critically about something. It's taking an information, filtering

880
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 4: it through your brain and trying to come out with

881
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 4: how do I feel about this? Maybe what are the

882
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 4: interesting angles in this? And I actually, like legitimately believe

883
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: in Anthony Richardson being drafted fourth overall and Shane Steiken

884
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts, I'm like, this is gonna work, bro Steichen.

885
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 4: I mean, he's really it's exactly sticking about psyche it

886
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 4: like who has a more proven recent resume with making

887
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 4: young quarterbacks great right now? But and even justin Herbert,

888
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 4: people were not high on Herbert, or people were high.

889
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 4: I was a hater on Herbert coming out, like I

890
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: was one of those guys that crew. Look what Steichen did.

891
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 4: And it's funny. I was talking to someone who hung

892
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 4: out with Chane out that long ago and he was

893
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 4: saying that, look, Stichen gets it.

894
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: Sich was like, let's be painfully clear.

895
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 4: I know that my job relies on making Anthony Richardson good.

896
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 4: So it's not like anybody's avoiding the elephant in the room.

897
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 4: Like he knows that he has to make this work.

898
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: And shit, man, I don't know how quick it will work,

899
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 4: but I think it has a good chances and he

900
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 4: is working out. And here's my other deal on that.

901
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 4: It's like, stop telling him not to play football. What's

902
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 4: this idea of, Like, well, I think he needs a

903
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: year to get ready. No guys like fucking football. Okay,

904
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 4: that's the way he's gonna get ready. Let him take

905
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 4: his lumps, let him get out there, make mistakes. Is

906
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 4: it gonna stuck? Is it gonna hurt?

907
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: In year? One.

908
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 4: Yes, but we've seen it work out in the past.

909
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: I mean Peyton's obviously the most extreme example of that,

910
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 4: where he threw about one thousand picks his first like

911
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 4: year and a half, maybe two years, and then he

912
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 4: became Peyton Manning.

913
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: But no, I hate this idea. Well, no, you're gonna

914
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: red shirt Anthony Richard.

915
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 4: No, no, let's he's playing. Let's just play him. Yeah, exactly

916
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 4: too much resources play him. Be a good coach, customize

917
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 4: your plans to want to highlight his strengths and mask

918
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 4: his weakness. Says you can't be so married to whatever

919
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 4: system you have to run that you don't customize. And

920
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 4: of these NFL coaches, don't you like they know that

921
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 4: nowadays obviously. But yeah, man, I'm I'm I'm I'm fascinating

922
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 4: to where it goes. But that was a take that

923
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 4: I wasn't always sure on, and then the more I

924
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 4: talked it out and thought about it, I'm like, wait

925
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 4: a second, this is so crazy. It actually makes sense.

926
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: But it's not even create. The Dow went four overall,

927
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: so it's like, what are we arguing? Like the market

928
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: showed is your radio station? Do you guys have LSU football?

929
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we are the flagship.

930
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: Well I was, uh my, I worked in radio for

931
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: about four years and did we had the Raiders and

932
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: I did the post game and they were terrible and

933
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: Mark Davis the Raiders got very mad at me, and ultimately.

934
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: I talked to me.

935
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: I got fired because they hated just my takes and

936
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: I was told don't hold back. And then a boss

937
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: changed and I was you know, just is that hard

938
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: for you? You like, is that an issue because you're

939
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: close with the coaches, but like if they lose the

940
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: fans the same the Raider fans leaving. They just saw

941
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: the team get blasted. It's not like they don't want rainbows,

942
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: you know. So is that what you need? You just

943
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: let them.

944
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: To calm down.

945
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 4: I mean, I've I've gotten, I've gotten, I've gotten slept

946
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 4: in the hand for I've I've gotten into it before.

947
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: Uh you think you got more leash because of who,

948
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: like if it was me not a form of player

949
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. Do you feel a little more secure given

950
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: that your status with the program.

951
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: That could potentially that could potentially be true.

952
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 4: I I feel look he so here so like probably

953
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 4: the toughest needle that I've had to thread was coach

954
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 4: O is my old man's old college roommate. They they

955
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 4: grew up together. They're they're you know, everybody down to

956
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: the Bay's cousins. But they played high school football together.

957
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: You won your entire life.

958
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 4: Hey, yes, they won uh state together in high school.

959
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 4: They roomed together in college at Knack Adition in Northwestern State.

960
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 4: So yeah, this was like a family friend being hired

961
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 4: as a head coach. And it was fucking awesome at first,

962
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 4: you know, it's fucking great, and then I could objectively know,

963
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 4: celebrate everything.

964
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 2: But then the nineteen happens, You're like, this is done

965
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: any better? I mean it was like.

966
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 4: Luck, Yes, it's like but but then you had twenty

967
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 4: twenty one where we basically five hundred two years in

968
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 4: a row, and it was tough. And I'd be lying

969
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 4: if I said that me and O himself didn't have

970
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 4: some tough conversations where cause you know, he he never

971
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 4: did this for anybody. He would come in our show

972
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 4: weekly and I had to ask him very tough questions

973
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 4: like did you think like you like lost the locker

974
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 4: room when you went on Fox, like you know some

975
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: some so like and even he you know, we had

976
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 4: some kind of like what the fuck moments, and I

977
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 4: said to be like, look, man, I you know I.

978
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: I have to ask. I hate that I do. I

979
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 2: have to ask this stuff. It just is what it is.

980
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 4: And I find that if you if if you're really trying,

981
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 4: like if if you're really trying to just keep your job,

982
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 4: I'll take got three kids. So that is an actual concern.

983
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 2: You.

984
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 4: You just keep it fact based, right, Like if I'm

985
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 4: not out here saying like always a shitty fucking person

986
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 4: like this is that like like the fact is Kentucky

987
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 4: just kicked your fucking teeth in. You can't get your

988
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 4: teeth kicked in by Kentucky if you're l s U football. Like,

989
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 4: at a certain point, the facts take over for themselves,

990
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 4: and it's like I can tell that story, Okay, I

991
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 4: can tell that story because it's it's everyone everyone saw

992
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 4: like like what are you gonna what are you gonna

993
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 4: come back? And me like and and and That's the

994
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 4: thing about football is coaches, players, you want to be

995
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 4: pissed at the media.

996
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: Football is one of those.

997
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 4: Rare instances in life in which we have an actual meritocracy.

998
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 4: You control how people will talk about you. If you win,

999
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 4: you are beloved. If you lose, you get fucked. It

1000
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 4: is that simple. It is black and white. And so

1001
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 4: it's like you can be mad at me for saying

1002
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 4: you're doing bad, but like it's still it's on you

1003
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 4: at the end of the day. If you're winning, I'm

1004
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 4: not gonna shit on you because I can't because I'm

1005
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 4: going to talk about the facts, which again, or is

1006
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 4: that you're doing really well. So like whenever I see

1007
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 4: coaches getting frustrated with the media and everything, I'm like,

1008
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 4: you're wasting your energy, Like what are you doing, Like

1009
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 4: how about you.

1010
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: Just shut the fuck up and win the game? And look,

1011
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: and I get it.

1012
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: It's natural. Again, like I said, I went through it.

1013
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 4: I think it's a bit of an antagonistic relationship.

1014
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 2: And I too have been.

1015
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: Pissed at the media, but I always was cognizant of

1016
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 4: the fact that, okay, you know what, the way to

1017
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 4: get them on your side.

1018
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 2: Is is to just win.

1019
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 4: I mean, I remember in twenty nineteen, me and like

1020
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 4: some of the I used to do a podcast my

1021
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 4: guy Brody Miller from The Athletic, whom I loved yearly.

1022
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 4: But he's like a real ass journalist and he was

1023
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 4: really struggling with like, I can't find anything bad to

1024
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 4: talk about here, not that you go circuit for somebody's

1025
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 4: Like I feel like I'm a homer writing for a

1026
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 4: fan site just because everything is so good right now.

1027
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 4: But but again you have to just follow, like wherever

1028
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 4: the facts go, and that's what you build it upon.

1029
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 4: So there is a needle thread. Absolutely, I'm not gonna

1030
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 4: lie in to you.

1031
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: There isn't. But I have found that.

1032
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 4: The only times I've gotten into trouble is maybe when

1033
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 4: I've gone a bit too far, you know, maybe saying

1034
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 4: like with with with with stuff that's not happening on

1035
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 4: the field. Like one day I did a whole like

1036
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 4: bit they like when it led media into practice, and

1037
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 4: so I start I made like some like Russian propaganda

1038
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 4: bit and do not team is great, so everything is good,

1039
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 4: do not do not, do not yes to trust us,

1040
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 4: And it's just so some step that maybe.

1041
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: Got handed with the coach o thing right.

1042
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: The big story was the women off the field, and

1043
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: then I met him at the volume party. I think

1044
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: he's actually married to this woman now, but it was

1045
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: like damn, I mean she was just way younger, dying

1046
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: piece so I was like, is all that stuff true?

1047
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that was a major talking point. And

1048
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, the athletic apartment. If they're gonna get mad,

1049
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: they're leaking the stories.

1050
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 4: Yes, so here's the deal on that. And that was

1051
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 4: that was pretty delicate. I've talk around as well.

1052
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: But for those that don't know listening to this that

1053
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: aren't Coacho wasn't like working. It was he like not

1054
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: working as hard. After he won the national championship, he

1055
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: got a divorced women coming to practice, unnamed players saying

1056
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: it was crazy, correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean players

1057
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: were like, what's going on here?

1058
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 4: No, no, there there was a change. There was like

1059
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 4: a jage. Would I find funny?

1060
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:49,479
Speaker 3: Though?

1061
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 4: People are like, how could this happen? And I'm like, okay, guys,

1062
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 4: let's you know, let's just take a step back. Let's

1063
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: look at the facts here. This is a man who

1064
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 4: was a d lineman his entire life, right during his

1065
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 4: younger years, right, not exactly the sexiest of positions. When

1066
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 4: he started his coaching career, he was sleeping on a

1067
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 4: cot in the Arkansas weight room as like a ga.

1068
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 4: Now he has a new contract that pays nine million

1069
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 4: dollars a year, he put together maybe the greatest college

1070
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 4: football team of all time, went fifteen to zero, won

1071
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 4: a national championship, completed the ultimate turnaround story after leaving

1072
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 4: Old miss and disgrace. Like you said, he's suddenly single,

1073
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 4: he has the millions of dollars, he has a celebrity,

1074
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 4: and everybody wants to sleep with him. Guys, a lot

1075
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 4: of people would have fallen into the trap. What are

1076
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 4: we talking about? Like, like it's it's literally the in

1077
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 4: remind the old South Park episode where Tiger Woods is,

1078
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 4: Like you have all these people staying at the podiums

1079
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 4: in there talking about like I can't believe Tiger would

1080
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 4: want to have sex with young women that are attractive.

1081
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 4: They are kind of like side eyeing their wife their

1082
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 4: entire time, Like there was a lot of posturing like

1083
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 4: I can't believe.

1084
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: That he would do this when like, well, a lot

1085
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 2: of you would.

1086
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 4: And and that's what makes guys like Saban and others

1087
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 4: so obsessively great is that when you when you achieve

1088
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 4: that ultimate success, I think we're all under the disillusion

1089
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 4: that your problems go away. But Saban's been very clear

1090
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 4: about this success does not mean an elimination of problems.

1091
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 2: It just gives you a whole.

1092
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 4: New set of problems, and one that is even arguably,

1093
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 4: arguably even harder and more complex to deal with, because

1094
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 4: it's not just oh, we need to go out and

1095
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 4: win the games now all of a sudden. You have

1096
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 4: to keep players motivated because you've already won the national championship, right.

1097
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: You have to make sure that.

1098
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 4: It's it's success is not an into your problems. It's

1099
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 4: just a transformation into new ones. And I don't think

1100
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 4: that oh, handle that transition well, but it doesn't matter

1101
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 4: because I don't think a lot of us would. And

1102
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 4: he got paid seventeen mil. And my guy's living life now,

1103
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 4: he's getting to be a dad. He's great. I talked

1104
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 4: to him on the phone the other day. It's he

1105
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 4: is the happiest I've ever heard him.

1106
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: Coach is about to be a dad again. No no, no, no, no,

1107
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: he has he has two older kids. But he like

1108
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: but he talked about it. He knew like damn coaching.

1109
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, he's got like three kids. But what

1110
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 4: he's saying is like, you know, he's like it's just his.

1111
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: You know.

1112
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 4: And and and he was even talking very kindly about

1113
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 4: his ex wife, saying, like lude she raised the kids.

1114
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 4: I was never there the demands of coaching or such.

1115
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 2: Is that. I was just constantly busy. I was on

1116
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: on the road.

1117
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 4: You know about his relentless recruiting, We know about his

1118
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 4: relentless work ethic, and so now for the first time

1119
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 4: in his life, he's getting to go in I think

1120
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 4: one of his sons is ga and at Miami. I

1121
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 4: know a couple others are flowing around in football as well,

1122
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 4: and he got to go to their games. He's he

1123
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 4: he's getting to go like hang out with them, visit

1124
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 4: them in just ways they never had previously.

1125
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 2: And it's funny.

1126
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 4: I remember when it all went down, the fire and everything.

1127
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 4: My old man called him and he was like, oh, dude,

1128
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 4: if you had to, if you would have told us

1129
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,479
Speaker 4: when we were in the dorm room in Northwestern State

1130
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 4: in naket Ish, Louisiana, that you were going to go

1131
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 4: fifteen to zero, win national championship, greatest team ever, and

1132
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 4: then get paid seventeen million dollars not to work.

1133
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 2: You don't think we would have taken that.

1134
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, you know what you're You're not I mean,

1135
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 4: you're not wrong, You're I think anybody would take that deal.

1136
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: What's a relationship like where you live with coach Saban

1137
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: just because he coached LSU won a national championship, he's

1138
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: with your rival and like you said, for a long

1139
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: period of time up until nineteen beating your ass and

1140
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: not just not just beating you, but then going on just.

1141
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: Natty, natty, natty nat.

1142
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: It's like John Wood into college football. Is it like

1143
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: a true hatred or is there like little respect because

1144
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: the fans watched him what he did for LSU and

1145
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: even I think Nick, I don't know if he's publicly

1146
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: said this, I think I read it somewhere. He always regrets,

1147
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, the obviously the Miami situation, he could have

1148
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: just stated at LSU and LSU just would have been Alabama.

1149
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: But who knows. You know, that's another thing you'll savage.

1150
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 4: There's a lot of he has a lot of quotes

1151
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 4: out there kind of along along those lines.

1152
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he doesn't have hatred for LSU the program.

1153
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: Besides there in his rival. Now you know, you understands.

1154
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 4: And there's always been urban miss I don't know the

1155
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 4: veracity of this, but there's always been urban miss around

1156
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 4: here that like he wanted to come back to LSU

1157
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 4: after Miami, but LSU was a bit burned at the time,

1158
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 4: and they just hired Miles and they didn't really know.

1159
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 4: Like if you think back to him at post Miami,

1160
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 4: we knew Saban was good. We did not know he

1161
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 4: was the greatest of all time good yet, and so

1162
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 4: basically there wasn't enough moment to make I don't know

1163
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 4: that's true or not, but I've always heard the story

1164
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 4: that then, like you know, they're like, no, you know what,

1165
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 4: you can't go back here, and then he goes to Alabama.

1166
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: Look what happened. I think that LSU fans, I think

1167
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: the what'd your take on him?

1168
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: As a player that played against him but also coached

1169
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: your program, Sure you've met a moment.

1170
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: Man.

1171
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 4: I have a grudging respect for him, because on one hand,

1172
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 4: he ruined the thing that I worked with for my

1173
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 4: entire life, right that national championship, which I won one

1174
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 4: as a freshman, but I was red shirted right scout team.

1175
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 4: It was nice, but it's not like being like a

1176
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 4: you know, a main player on the team. So senior

1177
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 4: year were undefeated, we end up losing twenty one nothing

1178
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 4: in the natty, which everyone wants to ask, like, how

1179
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 4: that happened. There's all these rumors about scandal. You know

1180
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 4: what happened. I think it's clear now Nick Saban versus

1181
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 4: Less Miles. Okay, Like that's not that hard to understand

1182
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 4: as we've gotten distanced.

1183
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: Was there was there was there any ounce of your

1184
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: being walking out on that field, like before the first

1185
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: snap that you were winning that game?

1186
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes there was, but it quickly became apparent that no,

1187
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 4: Like I was in full belief.

1188
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 2: I want to be clear by that this was not

1189
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: a This was not a oh where fuck it was?

1190
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 4: This is an overre fucked with the benefit of hindsight,

1191
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 4: because all we did was practice different versions of the

1192
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 4: option for like two weeks when that's the only play

1193
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 4: we had success with Game one.

1194
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: It's just it.

1195
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 4: But I was I was bought in, I was bought

1196
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: in pregame, and then it quickly became apparent, Oh shit,

1197
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 4: you know exactly what we are doing.

1198
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: We are in trouble.

1199
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 4: But so on one hand, you know, he's like this

1200
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 4: guy that has spent my entire life climbing out this

1201
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 4: mountaintop and it's about to Summit, he kicks me in

1202
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 4: the chest and just ruins my dreams. But on the

1203
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 4: other hand, as you get to be an adult and

1204
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 4: you gain perspective, the golden age of LSU does not

1205
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 4: happen without him. LSU in the nineties had lost its way.

1206
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: It was a joke.

1207
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 4: He was the one that had to come and prove

1208
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 4: the potential of what LSU could be. The old You

1209
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 4: always hear the cliche about the sleeping giant, right and

1210
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 4: every pro every coach when he takes over a heralded

1211
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 4: program that's falling a bad times like it's a sleeping giant. Well,

1212
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 4: Nick Saban proved that, and without him you don't have

1213
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 4: the last three LSU football coaches all taking home national championships.

1214
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 4: And look at the beginning of the Miles era. Yes,

1215
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 4: Miles was just winning with Saban's players, but Miles kept

1216
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 4: it going. Miles sound his way back to Natty on

1217
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 4: his own right Now, eventually he's stagnated and lost it.

1218
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 4: But like Nick Saban, ultimately I think the more level

1219
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 4: headed LSU fans, although there will always be a frustration

1220
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 4: allwys behave, but the level headed ones can accept that

1221
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 4: he showed you the potential of who you can be

1222
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 4: and that has had a huge lasting impact, even as

1223
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 4: he's gone to Tuscaloos and kicked your teeth.

1224
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: In from time to time. Well, I'll get you out

1225
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: here on this. I know you. I know you've had

1226
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: a long day.

1227
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: I got a question recently on a mail bag, and

1228
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: I think you fall under this category. What constitutes being

1229
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: able to say that you played in the NFL basically

1230
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: starting from like making a training camp all the way

1231
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: to making a fifty three man roster. I claimed if

1232
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: you were drafted or an undrafted free agent, and I've

1233
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: been when I worked with the Eagles East training camp.

1234
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: I think if you're at a training camp and playing

1235
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: in the preseason games, you can act like you played

1236
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: in the NFL, not like you had an NFL career,

1237
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: like when you you never made a past camp correct, correct?

1238
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I had.

1239
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: Are you allowed to tell someone that you your dad

1240
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: played in the NFL for a long time?

1241
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 2: Did you play in the NFL? Do you believe that?

1242
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 2: Or I I do not.

1243
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 4: I'm I was always a you have to make peace

1244
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 4: squad for one year squad cameras for sure, because you

1245
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 4: play a season. Yes, exactly, if you can stick around

1246
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 4: for one year, then I think you made it. I

1247
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 4: think I had. I would say this about trying to

1248
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 4: make the NFL. I was an undrafted free agent of

1249
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 4: the Rams, and I could not have landed in a

1250
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 4: better spot, like I got every opportunity the Yeah, Jeff Fisher.

1251
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 4: They just signed this Scott Wells from Green Bay who

1252
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 4: was really good and just an excellent teacher and kind

1253
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 4: of mentor. He was also hurt though during camp, so

1254
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 4: I basically got to take all the twos reps I

1255
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 4: got to I got to play a ton of snaps

1256
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 4: uh during the preseason. It was one of the coolest

1257
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 4: experiences of my entire life. I felt like I learned

1258
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 4: more football in those four months, five months, however long

1259
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 4: it was, that I did in five years in college,

1260
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 4: like it gave me a real appreciation of the depth

1261
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 4: of football and just and the only longing I have

1262
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 4: is I wish I could have continued to see just

1263
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 4: how deep that craft went and tried to master it.

1264
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 4: But ultimately, are you good enough? And I fucked up

1265
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 4: that fourth preseason game. Man had just an awful one,

1266
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 4: and me and this other guy, Tim Bargerineck and Neck,

1267
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 4: who are they going to keep and that ends up

1268
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 4: being the difference right there.

1269
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 2: And so.

1270
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 4: I I think I do not count myself as an

1271
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 4: NFL player, But I also think that it was one

1272
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 4: of the coolest and most invaluable experiences of my entire life. Now,

1273
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 4: it was also incredibly anxiety ridden, where every single day,

1274
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 4: every single play of every practice, you're like, fuck, like

1275
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 4: if I fucked this up, like I may be out

1276
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 4: here tomorrow. So I don't miss that aspect, but I

1277
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 4: do miss the skill level of the guys that I

1278
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 4: was going against. I loved just how mentally complex it

1279
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 4: had become and how much I was missing from. It's

1280
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 4: almost like I wish I could take those four months

1281
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 4: of knowledge and retroactively apply them to my college, where

1282
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 4: I was always viewed as like, oh, one of the

1283
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 4: smart guys you know make yeah, exactly, but like but like,

1284
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 4: it wasn't even close what we were asked to do

1285
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 4: in college or suddenly what Fisher and them had us doing.

1286
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 4: And I loved it, and I loved it, but I

1287
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 4: kind of knew too. I think I think, I think

1288
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 4: I think two things. I think for me personally, I think,

1289
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 4: if I'm being completely honest with myself. I think I

1290
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 4: maybe could have stuck around in a roster for a

1291
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 4: couple of years, right, But everybody reaches a point where

1292
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 4: you're like, okay, you know, you're just you're just outclassed.

1293
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 4: And I was starting to get there, and then I think, secondly, man,

1294
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 4: I don't think I wanted it with every fiber of

1295
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 4: my beam. I think I'm ultra competitive. I think I

1296
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Speaker 4: really wanted it. But I saw guys like Tyron Matthew

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Speaker 4: where failure was not an option, Like it was never

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Speaker 4: going to be on the table for me. Failure was devastating.

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Speaker 4: It sucked, but I was going to be okay. I

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Speaker 4: have safety nets, you know, I have, Like I was

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Speaker 4: going to be okay. I see guys out there who

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Speaker 4: their drive just comes from something deeper, more intrinsic, more

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Speaker 4: built into their DNA, And I think if I had

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Speaker 4: had that, yeah, maybe I could have stuck around a

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Speaker 4: bit longer. But I think, frankly, I did not. You'll

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Speaker 4: appreciate this, John. My favorite thing to say about my

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Speaker 4: time in the NFL is that I think I lost

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Speaker 4: money trying to make it. I got a I got

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Speaker 4: a five hundred dollars signing bonus, so after taxes, it

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Speaker 4: was like three oh eight, three hundred and eight dollars.

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Speaker 4: And then like one of the first nights we all

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Speaker 4: get there with the rookies, you go all out to eat.

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Speaker 4: You know, you get paid as an undrafted free agent.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, three hundred eight, No, three hundred and eight dollars. Yeah,

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01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 4: now a thousand, five hundred, five hundred dollars shot by

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Speaker 4: five three three benjamins a Lincoln and three wah and

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Speaker 4: three hundred and eight dollars after taxes was my signing bonus, right,

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Speaker 4: and then guys are getting cut. They got like fifty

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars signing bonuses like left and.

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Speaker 2: Right and so.

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Speaker 4: But I remember like thinking like okay, but like we're

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Speaker 4: in the NFL. I like we're gonna get some sort

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Speaker 4: of big checks.

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Speaker 2: This shit will be nice.

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Speaker 4: So one of the first night we went out, I

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01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 4: think I spent like fucking like three hundred dollars out

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Speaker 4: of Hooters or something. We were watching like a Timothy

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Speaker 4: Bradley fight. And so next thing you know, I'm like, oh, wait, shit,

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Speaker 4: there's no more money coming in. Like I think we

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Speaker 4: got a camp per diem or something, But you don't

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Speaker 4: actually get paid.

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Speaker 2: Until after final cut.

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Speaker 4: So yes, I'm probably one of the rare people who

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Speaker 4: can claim that I lost money trying to make the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I was in the red.

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Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, I got one more nerdy football quays. You're

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Speaker 1: playing Alabama, you played some of those good Florida teams.

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Speaker 1: You know clearly if they have an individual who's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a top five pick. But just on the whole,

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Speaker 1: is that more difficult or the preseason game in the

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Speaker 1: third or fourth quarter playing the backups because everyone's like,

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Speaker 1: well everyone's a pro. Well yeah, Florida or Alabama in

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Speaker 1: there heyday, like like Georgia right now, or like the

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Speaker 1: LSU will be soon again?

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Speaker 2: Right? Who is harder? As a player?

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Speaker 1: I separating the anxiety and the pressure of trying to

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Speaker 1: make the team.

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Speaker 2: It's different in college, right you're on the team. But

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Speaker 2: just which is crazy?

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Speaker 4: Which is crazy because right on one hand, you're talking

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Speaker 4: about playing in front of one hundred thousand people.

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, you talk about playing in.

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Speaker 4: Front of a few thousand, and you believe because you're

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01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 4: because your career is on the line, the few thousand

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01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 4: actually feels like like more anxiety inducing. But I would

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Speaker 4: in terms of being harder on the football field. It's

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Speaker 4: still the preseason game, you know, and maybe not well

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01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 4: maybe not every game because you know, like the third

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01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 4: game you're kind of matching up with other guys who

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Speaker 4: probably aren't gonna make it. But I did feel like

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Speaker 4: like during the practice these NFL practices, while they weren't

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Speaker 4: as physically demanding at a college practice where less Miles

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01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 4: would have, was like three hours, full pads, like repeat

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Speaker 4: it just like places, place place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 4: The worst guy on the NFL roster was still that

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Speaker 4: guy in college that you were like game planning for.

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Speaker 2: Like the guy that you were highlighting.

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Speaker 4: You're like, okay, we got to be ready to deal

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Speaker 4: with him this week, right, And so just the overall

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Speaker 4: talent level, and make no mistake, coming from the SEC

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Speaker 4: to the NFL was not an overwhelming jump. Going from

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Speaker 4: to a private white boy high school ball in Georgia

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Speaker 4: to LSU was a jump when I'm all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: I'll never getting the first day of practice, I show

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01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 4: up LSU, I got Glenn fucking Dorsey and Ricky Jean

1377
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 4: Francois locking me out like the second the ball is time.

1378
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 4: I got these short little arms are floating around the air.

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Speaker 4: I actually went in the bathroom and cried after the

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Speaker 4: first practice.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm done, dude, Like, why I can't do this?

1382
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 2: Did you call your dad and go I don't know, man,

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01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: I did not. I did not call my old man.

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Speaker 4: But I shout out my old coach, Bradley Dale Piveta,

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01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 4: because I remember I did talk to him and he

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01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 4: kind of helped me ease to it. But I'll never

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01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 4: get that was a shock when I got to the NFL.

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01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 4: It was not a jump like that, but all of

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01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 4: a sudden, everybody was like, you know, that best guy

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Speaker 4: that you win against each week. So so yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: still it's still harder in the league, even though playing

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Speaker 4: against those Floridas and those Alabamas are great, and you're

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Speaker 4: still running into guys like Marcel Darius or Hot Tower,

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Speaker 4: any of these guys.

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Speaker 2: You played Ree McDonald the Florida I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I played. I don't want some pretty

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Speaker 2: good defensive lineman when you were.

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Speaker 4: Ship, I mean from Florida. Dude, Brandon Spikes was a bully.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, Brandon Spikes was a dog back then.

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Speaker 4: I remember one time I went to cut him and

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Speaker 4: I thought I nailed him, and it was like I

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Speaker 4: like hit his thigh and I just slid down like

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Speaker 4: he didn't.

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Speaker 2: He didn't move.

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01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 4: I just hit it like a cartoon and then just

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Speaker 4: slid in my belly hit the ground.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I remember doing a point of attack

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Speaker 1: tape in the NFL. I was like a you know,

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Speaker 1: lowest level intern slash personnel guy you put together and

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Speaker 1: you're like, is this what it looks?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god? That guy just would mally wop people

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Speaker 2: coming down those teams.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to watch this swamp Kings documentary because

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Speaker 4: Urban had it going. Had at Florida that time. An

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Speaker 4: eclectic bunch, to say the least.

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Speaker 1: It's like Pablo Escobar meets you know, Jimmy Johnson well

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Speaker 1: and you know what's.

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Speaker 2: Wild to me?

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Speaker 4: I was shocked and I learned, and that's why I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna be interested how Florida does in Napier. When Urban

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Speaker 4: Meyer was winning these natties, I think he's.

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Speaker 1: In trouble would be my tickin I think he is too.

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Speaker 4: I think he is too, but he at least has

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01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 4: Florida starting to pay. I was just flabbergasted when I

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Speaker 4: read the other day that in the Urban Meyer era,

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Speaker 4: the only major construction project they did was building an

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Speaker 4: entrance to uh the coach's office in the stadiums where

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Speaker 4: they could basically welcome recruits. They didn't have a football ops.

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01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 4: When Urban Meyer showed up there the coach's office, they

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Speaker 4: entered through like a fucking like service gate and went

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01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 4: up the series. They had nowhere to show off anything

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Speaker 4: to recruits. And the one thing they built was they

1433
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 4: ended up building a little entrance way to the stadium

1434
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Speaker 4: where here they had the trophy did glow people in.

1435
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Speaker 4: But I mean Nick Saban built a football ops at

1436
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Speaker 4: LSU back in like two thousand and three.

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Speaker 2: Or oh two.

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Speaker 4: It was like one of the like Spurrier set the

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01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 4: tone there a Florida where we don't need all this scrap,

1440
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 4: where it's gonna win because they're better than you, blah

1441
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. And it took a long time for

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01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 4: them to kind of get out of that mindset. And

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01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 4: if nothing else now they're out of that mindset. We

1444
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 4: I mean, Nenaghbor's not being handed any favors by this h.

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Speaker 2: This schedule just gonna be brutal.

1446
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: So well, okay, well t Bob, you got a big,

1447
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 1: big summer plans. I'm sure enjoy the fam where snaps

1448
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: You guys got your own YouTube channel.

1449
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 2: Find you on podcasts anywhere they listen. Let it let

1450
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 2: it rip where we so check it out.

1451
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 4: So uh snaps here on the Volume, which I love

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Speaker 4: so much. If you just Google Snaps podcasts, you can

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Speaker 4: find the link for like Apple, Spotify or whatever. We're

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Speaker 4: really trying to grow to YouTube, YouTube dot com, slash

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Speaker 4: at Volume snaps like subscribe.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: They do such a great job of like putting out

1458
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Speaker 4: shorts and everything else. And like I said, man, I

1459
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Speaker 4: think it's a ton of fun, like like like y'all

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Speaker 4: show John.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Man, this is this is

1462
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 2: this is really really fun for real. Yeah, you're the best, bro.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to do it again. Talk some college football

1464
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 2: once eas and gets close.

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Speaker 4: Take it easy for time, man, all right, y'all, take

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Speaker 4: it easy. The Volume