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Speaker 1: picture and three D and then on the fly the

426
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: operators can integrate, you know, with the heads up display

427
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: and basically just hit a target with with the entire

428
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: staying completely map. I mean, they know the whole thing

429
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: in in real time. It's the tech. It's very very

430
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: very robotic centric. Drones are the drones are the new

431
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: hotness are you seeing any uh, you know, forward thinking

432
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: or any advancement as far as you know what back

433
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: in the nineties, they I think they called the land

434
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: Warrior system, and then there's a bunch of like future

435
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: soldier programs to integrate like a heads up display into

436
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: the infantry or special operations you know, ground troop um.

437
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: And then there's also you know, all these issues with them,

438
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: like they keep coming up with these like weird proprietary

439
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: tablets and stuff like that. So I was wondering if

440
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: you've seen them um kind of coming up with some

441
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: better solutions to bring that information to the actual soldier

442
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: on the ground, anything that actually looks viable. Actually, I

443
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: remember the land Warrior project. That was a giant mechanism.

444
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: I remember how heavy that that those devices look. There

445
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: were several several iterations of it too. As you know,

446
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: twenty years well, I think I think what I could

447
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: tell you right now is that some of the widgets

448
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: that I played with, all of that stuff is now handheld.

449
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: Think of think of your average smartphone. That's the new

450
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: technology that's coming through. Like for instance, I sat within

451
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: Devin Robotics with the with the unmanned ground vehicles, everything

452
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: is integrated with a touch pad. Because you have to

453
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: understand that we're objeck. We really are old. I mean,

454
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: I love technology, but the new operators that are coming through,

455
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: they can literally, you know, for for someone like you

456
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: and I that would take let's say an Android based

457
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: smartphone and try to track a target with that, it

458
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: would probably take us five minutes to get a weapon

459
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: system that's that's integrated with this, this, this, Yeah, we

460
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: grew up with walkman's and these kids they grew up

461
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: with tablets. This, these these I mean, I'm talking like

462
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: these guys. They had a guy, a kid there. I

463
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: shouldn't comm a kid, he's probably like thirty, but a

464
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: kid there that could that could point, click, put, squeeze,

465
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: expand everything within seconds and acquire a target and adjudicate

466
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: it all off of a handheld. We're already if you've

467
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: seen those pictures of the Kurds in northern Syria and

468
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: they're using tablets to designate targets for US air strikes,

469
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: and that is exactly what I thought likely. These these

470
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: tablets are inside an internal what we call a mesh network,

471
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: which is basically an internal if you will, a g

472
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: S m or at first, it's like yeah, it's like

473
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: a it's like a Wi Fi land network that is

474
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: encrypted sort of six bit encryption, which is amazing that

475
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: the digital handshake is robust, and it's two factor authentic,

476
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: authentic centification, and it's it's basically proprietary to that land network.

477
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: At these these war fighters can can literally be in

478
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: real time speaking with one other and controlling robotic robots,

479
00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: drones and robotic weapons systems and an instantaneous lee just

480
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: with a with a point and click, a finger touch

481
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: and the drone moves to a predesignated I'll give you

482
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: an example, and Devil Rod Box has a has a

483
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: what I call the Johnny five looking robot. What's interesting

484
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: about this thing is that the the operator can use

485
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: a swarm bot if you will, to map three d

486
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: virtually retally, virtually map the target and three in three dimensions,

487
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: find the targets, fix the targets, upload the targets of

488
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: the Johnny five. Johnny five takes off, find cover and

489
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: concealment itself and then pops up to adjudicate up to

490
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: six targets with three five three five second bursts from

491
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: a two forty to fifty caliber so on point, on target,

492
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: and all the operator does it just hit execute. So

493
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: it's basically for the host older generation, it's basically it's

494
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: basically like commanding conquer. We're getting to the point where

495
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: there's gonna be autonomously androids that do our door breaching

496
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: and room clearing for us. Well, that was sort of

497
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: the concept of what the u g vs are. We're

498
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: kind of pushing towards these these cat like robots that

499
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: can go in and be able to maneuver in through

500
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: a through a very high threat environment, to be able

501
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: to absorb rounds for the for the human element that's

502
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: behind them. And yes, so you're basically not so much autonomous.

503
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: I mean that is that that is the future is

504
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: the is the just advanced the AI robots that you

505
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: give a command to. And not only that, but I

506
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: also saw there was another company there that had a

507
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: U a V that could actually control on the ground

508
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: ground drones and aerial drones as an autonomous you know,

509
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: robotic command and control center. The human being, let's say

510
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: back in the States, gives this giant robe, the big brain,

511
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: if you will, the big brain robot brain, the task

512
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: conditions that standard the WARNO and then this big brain

513
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: robot subtests it out to his little minions and they

514
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: can basically run through like you know, terminator and do

515
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: what they need to do. Is long, but there's still

516
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: as a human element involved, there's still as an operator involved.

517
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: There still is a when I say operator, I know

518
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: that sounds like soft, but there's a human brain behind.

519
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: There's a human brain to that, and we're also starting

520
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: to push towards them. There was another interesting, uh kind

521
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: of a conference that General Thomas. It's so the commander

522
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: game was that the new the new warfighters. They're looking

523
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: at the latest, the generation that hasn't graduated from high

524
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: school and college yet that are wanting to go into

525
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: special operations. These these young kids that have been completely

526
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: integrated with every tech that you can possibly think, and

527
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: they're they're able to program on the fly. So you're

528
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: basically looking at operators that are gonna be able to

529
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: not only advance themselves in cyber offensive cyber operations, but

530
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: also kinetic operations and commingle those with the robots, with

531
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: the robot pals. So I mean we might even be

532
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: getting rid of the you know, the do you think

533
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: that that's something? Um? I guess you could say, do

534
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: you think that's a realistic goal something that a unwieldly

535
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: bureaucracy like um, you know, the Pentagon and to a

536
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: lesser extent, you know so Calm, which is like seventy

537
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: people at this point, do you think they're actually going

538
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: to be able to accomplish this? Well, okay, so I

539
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: sat in the brief Let's okay, let's let's talk about

540
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: bureaucracy for a second. In technology when it comes to

541
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: worth fighting. I sat into I sat in the Talos briefing.

542
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: Very no pictures were allowed and you couldn't record. It

543
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: was it's a secretive program, the Talis, the Tactical Operators suit,

544
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: the Iron Man suit. And I sat into that and

545
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: I basically listened to it. Now that thing is five

546
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: D six hundred pounds, the steps of giant system. It's

547
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 1: a huge system. And basically the the essence of this

548
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: is that the briefing that we were getting from Colonel

549
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: Miller was they the main focus of the Talents suit

550
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: is to put it's to put special operations, special special

551
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: operators who are adept at direct action. So now you

552
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: know we're talking about the Tier one units that they

553
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: need to have a suit that they're able to nimbly

554
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: move through a CQB environment at close quarters combat. And

555
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: me coming from a direct action background, I'm looking at

556
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: this giant suit and i have no clue how anyone's

557
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: going to be able to move nimbly. But the five

558
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: and this this the system is the system, And he

559
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: was very forthright, this this is still this still isn't

560
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: concept phase. Every new advent that they come up with

561
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: the Talo system, they have to re engineer the entire

562
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: suit around this new widget that's been plugged into into

563
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: the system or hypothesized into the system, so they have

564
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: working functional portions of the tallow suit. So back to

565
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: the bureaucracy is what we're looking at. Is is he

566
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: was very honest. He said we were probably not going

567
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: to field the Taalos system and for another fifteen years.

568
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: So we're looking at before we have before we actually

569
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: have a direct action team of the Chier one team

570
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: who has been completely outfitted with the Talo system. They're

571
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: not even looking at having a fully functional, fully operational

572
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: one suit. One fully operational suit with a blade of

573
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: armor titanium plating all of the all of the the

574
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: the e MG software that the electromagnetic gradients, the sensor software.

575
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: It's a completely integrated system. They're not looking to have

576
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: anything like that fully operational till until late August, and

577
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: that's even tentative because technology keeps out out pacing what

578
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: the TALO system tries to implement a very fluid system.

579
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: So then you start to think of the bureaucracy. This

580
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: is mcraven's child, This is mcraven's idea. The Iron Man suit,

581
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: the exoskeleton suits, exoskeleton outfitted suits were actually another major

582
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: draw so Fick as well. There's other companies like lockeed

583
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: Martin has a very very as already has a functional

584
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: exos looking suit that's been tested. Uh, it's been tested

585
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: by some of the outer echelon Socom, some operational guys,

586
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: and they absolutely love it. For instance, I was able

587
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: to sit with Lockheed Marton and the director of the

588
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: program basically said he put this on a he put

589
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: this on an operator than they were doing a briefing

590
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: and while he was while lockeed Martin was actually talking

591
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: to this operator's commander. Within five minutes, this guy was

592
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: doing pile jumps. And now I said, Tito jumps at

593
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: that crossfitting you jump up to a higher level. This

594
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: guy did from this from standing doing absolutely nothing. He

595
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: just jumped up from the floor to the top of

596
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: a table and he turned around. He goes, I want one.

597
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: So that where you see Lockheed Martin and the Talos

598
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: systems taking the operator's input directly as each evolution comes through,

599
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: and it looks like it looks like the Talos system

600
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: is is a giant sandwich to eat, whereas lockeed Martin

601
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: has found something that they can actually use. It's functional,

602
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: and it's already in the it's already in the phase

603
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: for Testingly, big got operators running through sewer systems and

604
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: you know, going up six nine degree gradients without they're key,

605
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: without even loss of energy. Now I'm saying energy, I'm

606
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: talking about the human factor. They want they want to maximize.

607
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: They want to maximize the metabolic efficiency and output of

608
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: the of the person wearing the exoskeletons. Uh, you know, mechanism.

609
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: And a lot of this is being pushed, if you

610
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: remember Jack, A lot of this, this technology that started

611
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: as war fighter technology is being pushed towards paraplegics and

612
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: veterans that have you know, lost limbs can no longer

613
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: can walk. And that was another thing I really liked

614
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: about Lockheed Martin was we want to take care of

615
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: the warfighter with the exo suit from their time in

616
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: the service, all the way out if they do get injured,

617
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: all the way to the aftercare for the veterans. And

618
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: it's like it kind of is it's thank you. That's

619
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: kind of like where we're going. It was very ghost

620
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: in the shell, like are you like we have the technology,

621
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: we can't we can we can't perfect you. It was

622
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: like a million dollar man for us older, older, older folks,

623
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, the six million dollar man. Excuse me, that

624
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: was more expensive. What I what I was told about

625
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: the Tallows suit was that it's basically a boon doggle

626
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen, but that's so common. Is

627
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: hoping hoping that they'll be able to develop associated technologies

628
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: within that program, Like I've told about things like a

629
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: grenade that causes seizures for instance. Like there's all sorts

630
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: of different things that are plugged into Tallos that they're hoping,

631
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's like earmarks or something like that that

632
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: they're hoping to get out of the program. Even if

633
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: the suit itself doesn't ever mature. Well, my opinion as

634
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: the suit will mature. And here's why, because that's another

635
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: thing that they also spoke onto is that, Yeah, let's

636
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: go back to the times of Big Fat Man and

637
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: Little Boy. When we were developing the atomic weapon. The

638
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: government went and decided to start asking these you know,

639
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: colleges and universities, m I T, you know, academia, how

640
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: to how can you help us develop these types of weapons.

641
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: And we've been kind of pushed away from that during

642
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: the g WAT and for for several years we just

643
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: kind of we you know, we have DARFA. We try

644
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: to do we try to keep everything in the house

645
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: and try to bring the scientists into the into the

646
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: government employ And what I've noticed is that you're actually

647
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: right the mark to mark three, A, D and C.

648
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: That was the BOONM doggle portion, that was that was

649
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: the pie in the sky. Hey let's put some cool

650
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: guy kids on folks. Until they realized that a blade

651
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: of armor when you start to make, you know, making

652
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: armor is easy when it's when it's just a square.

653
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: When you try to make try to round it and

654
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: curve it out, that becomes more expensive, and it also

655
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: becomes more heavier. This suit right now, at five and

656
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: six d pounds is the lightest has ever been. Now

657
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: wrap your head around that. So what's so common is doing?

658
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: And I think what the Pentagon is doing is they're

659
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: going back to that old World War two, post post

660
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: war kind of model where they reach out and incentivize

661
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: the STEM programs in universities to say, hey, here's a challenge,

662
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: what can you do. That's why they're trying to snuggle

663
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: up to Silicon Valley in the last couple of months

664
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: and see all this stuff in the press very much.

665
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: So I think that's a good idea. I think I

666
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: think that I think we I have an opinion about

667
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: Russia and China and Chinese. Russian and Chinese technology it's

668
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: being at least tend to twenty years ahead of us.

669
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: And what those those two countries do is that they

670
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 1: lean heavily on the academia side and incentivize these universities.

671
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: And there's there's also for them, there's no separation between

672
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: church and states so to speak. So I mean in China,

673
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: like what is private industry, it's nominally under the control

674
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: of the Communist Party, So there's no there's no difference

675
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: between the two. When I found interesting about what this

676
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: how how SOCOM was breaking the talent suit is that

677
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: they are actually that's how they've they've changed the mold

678
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: sort of just and they're inviting industry in with the

679
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: caveat that the war fighter portion of what you're creating

680
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: we would like to be proprietary obviously secret to the

681
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: Special Operations Command. But the third, the second and third

682
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: and fourth order effects of the technology, that's that the

683
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: government's paying these in the academia to kind of develop,

684
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: kind of giving them a blank check, if you will,

685
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: to kind of figure out new tech to kind of

686
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: glean and edge is they're saying that you can take that,

687
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: you can take that technology, you can take what you

688
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: proprietize and create civilian application. A lot of industry was

689
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: there to kind of glean that stuff. You know, this

690
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: exo suit is an amazing, amazing advancement because think about it.

691
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: They use an example of central Africa where you can't

692
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: get forklifts or or heavy heavy equipment to to develop

693
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: and build, you know, build out some spots and let

694
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: their new dish use Africa for example. He said, you

695
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: know Bald Industries or Locky Martin Industries, or even General

696
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: Dynamics that they wanted to get into the exo suit game.

697
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: They could develop this for civilian applications where they could

698
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: get this these engineers into these exo suits where they

699
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: could clear out and build and lift you know, tonnage

700
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: of equipment without having to put a you know, a

701
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: diesel footprint, environmental footprint anywhere other than the exo suit. Well,

702
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the exo suit doesn't gonna run on some

703
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: sort of like gasoline battery powered hybrid engine or something

704
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: like this. Okay, so that's where, Okay, that's where my

705
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: question started coming from my standpoint of having to clear root.

706
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: You and I've been through rooms, Jack, we understand that

707
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: the majority of the operators you're you're laden with about

708
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: what two pounds of the man themselves. Then you add armor,

709
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: which is fifty eight pounds pluses can't plus double double

710
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: load animal, you're looking at about three hundred pounds operator

711
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: trying to nimbly move through a room quickly, rapidly in

712
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: adjudicate targets. I know that for for from my perspective

713
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: and the way that they were selling the Tallows suit

714
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: was this was the you know, a a direct action

715
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: augmented six plated armored suit with a lot of bells

716
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: and whistles and heads up displays and I s R feeds,

717
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: live feeds, all these other things. And then a question

718
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: came from an Australian press guy. I don't in his

719
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: name escapes me, but it was a great question. He

720
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: he asked, what would happen if if if these gentlemen

721
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: were hitting a target. Let's say these the suits are

722
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: doing and they get hit with an e MP, what

723
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: happens then? And that was a fantastic question because how

724
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: the hell do you get out of this suit? Because

725
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 1: what I what I was looking at was a plated

726
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, first of all the operators in this full

727
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: body like resuit. Full body that's another that's another question.

728
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: So these are all the questions that were being asked.

729
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: So then the Talos team kind of positive the question

730
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: back because there was there was STEM industry folks in

731
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: that room, and they basically said, the question goes back

732
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: to you guys, how can we And my question follow

733
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: up question was to the e MP was how fast

734
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: can these guys get out of the suit? Because I

735
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: know if the suit dies up. Murphy's law. All right,

736
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: you you slap around twenty six plates of armor around someone,

737
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: there's still low percentage soft areas of of where you know,

738
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: tissue and flesh could still be penetrated by something. Plus

739
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: Murphy's law. Will you know that's gonna happen? So how

740
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: does the operator effectively get out of the suit If

741
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: it's six hundred pounds, he's falling up, He's he's a

742
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: he's a buick sitting sitting in the middle of a

743
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: combat zone. He's just a dead stick. So now he

744
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: said that, you know, the briefing was, well, we want

745
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: to be able to rapidly get get the operator out

746
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: of the suit if there's a fatal fatal you know,

747
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: catastrophic air work where the suit stops working. All right, well,

748
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: now you gotta see. Now you have an operator in

749
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: a combat zone running around in a full body like resuit.

750
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: He has nothing him but a black ninja suit and

751
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: his weapons system that's integrated into the TALLI system. It's

752
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: not integrated, I mean's still it's still a rifle and

753
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: a a our styles weapon or whatever they're gonna be using.

754
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 1: How do we protect that guy? What happen is there

755
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: and it goes back to the power pack. Now, the

756
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: power pack, it was interesting that he didn't really touch

757
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: along on the fuel portion. I was more interested in

758
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: how are you going to recharge the twelve giant batteries?

759
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: That are these giant many they look like motorcycle batteries.

760
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: There's twelve of an apect in a row in this

761
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: power pack on top of the brain which is a

762
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: E c M computer suite your hydraulics, and then below

763
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: that is the compressed is A is A is a compressor,

764
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: very a miniaturized compressor that pushes fluid through the body

765
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: suit to cool or heat to the operator. That's a

766
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: lot of moving parts. That thing also weighs about a

767
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds. So I'm starting to think, Okay,

768
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: what's the operating what's the max operating time for this

769
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: and that? Right now they have it up to an

770
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: hour an hour, So snap t s t s are

771
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: not an option for the tallow suit. This has to

772
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: be a deliberate assault and it also has to meet.

773
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: You have to land on the X and you have

774
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: to be out of there in an hour, because then

775
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: what happens and you have a bunch of dudes who

776
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: just start powering down and this is this is this

777
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: six hundred pounds is not including ammunition, equipment, medical gear,

778
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: engineer stuff. You know who's the breacher is this is

779
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: the breacher tallow suit larger so he can donkey kick

780
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: the ship out of side of the walls. Yeah, the

781
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: last the last I knew there was a breacher model

782
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: and an assaulter model. That may have changed though. And

783
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: then another guy brought up the and and he was

784
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: this was an industry guy. He brought up he's like

785
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: with the advent of women in special operations, which it was.

786
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: There was a collective groan through the room because there

787
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: was there's that one guy. There's you know, there's there's

788
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: boobies in special ops. How do we so they get

789
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: they can't wear the plus suit? Right? Seriously he brought up.

790
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: He basically said, well, the advent of women coming to

791
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: special operations, how do you see them? How do you

792
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: see the tallow suits fitting them? And you know there's

793
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: somewhat of the smallest slight collective grow into the room.

794
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: But the Talos team answered it very eloquently, said, right now,

795
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: these Talos systems are for the top e league. Now

796
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: we're talking about tier one guys. Okay, these guys have

797
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: made it to the top of the top guys. Are

798
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. We don't know what special operation is gonna

799
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: look like. We don't we have no idea who's going

800
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: to be in it. So he basically said that there

801
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: is no issue mail or female. There's no issue with

802
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: the TALO system because each TALO system will be at

803
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: social I mean, there's social these are these things will

804
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: be assigned to these operators that the entire system will

805
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: be developed around them. They will go into a three

806
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: D you know, imaging where that their entire body is

807
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: three rendered and the entire suit is built around them. Now,

808
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how much that's gonna cost per operator.

809
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: So it doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter if

810
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: it's the male or female. And that was the question

811
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: was interesting. I wanted to bring it up on the

812
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: radio because I just thought, well, I mean, what are

813
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: you really worried about? You know, I don't understand what

814
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: you'd be worried about. Why would you care if for

815
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: females where if if if a female operator is at

816
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: a position where she's being outfitted with the tallow suit.

817
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: I think she's made her bones. I think she I

818
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: think she's earned the tallow suit. So it was an

819
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: interesting question, but it didn't have They had the mock

820
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: ups there, they didn't have anything other than just the

821
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: engineer staff. I could see this having an application and

822
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: conventional warfare, but for counter terrorism, I just I don't

823
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: see it. Man, a five pounds suit and you're going

824
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: to use that for surgical raids, hostage rescues, and it

825
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me. Like I said, to

826
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: see that, that's what the that's what the current brief.

827
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: He said that the end state is to have this

828
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: suit as nimbly as move as nimbly as the operator,

829
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: and that comes down to the e G, e MG sensors.

830
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: Those sensors will the sensors are completely integrated into this

831
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: body suit. And what they do is they is they

832
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: pick up on the electrical electrical connectivity of the muscles. Yeah,

833
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: but it's bullshit because I mean, if you're a pound

834
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: suit plus the two pound dude, I mean it's gonna

835
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: go through the floor and a lot of these third

836
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: world countries, I mean literally, Yeah, I didn't even think

837
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: of that. Like second you'd be landsliding yourself all the

838
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: way through this. Yeah, you won't even be able to

839
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: make it up the stairs. I mean, I don't know.

840
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: And like I said, man, it's it's a concept. It's

841
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: a concept. It's it's they're gonna push it through. And

842
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: I honestly believe here's the here's the positive I see

843
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: about the Talos system is that the technology that's going

844
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: to be pumped into not to try to make this work,

845
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: it's gonna we're gonna see a lot of advances in

846
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: technology in the industry, law enforcement, any even the conventional side. Now,

847
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: one of the one of the other attendees that the

848
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: Talos briefing kind of brought this up there, like, well,

849
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: is this like a is this like a one size

850
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: fits all kind of thing? And you know TALIS team

851
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: kind of laughing, is that you will not see this

852
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: system in a I t' You won't go to your

853
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, you won't see a conventional soldier finished a

854
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: I T with you know, with in six weeks of

855
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: the talent you know, being trained and using the Talos

856
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: and then getting an issue to him in the eighty

857
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: two you know, like you get like a gun like

858
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: here here you go. It's you know, like you're just

859
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: getting a used Talos system where you've got to learn

860
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: it and and and augment it. Because the Talos engineer

861
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: I spoke with said that these things are everything is

862
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: mapped down to the to the millimeter of the of

863
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: the body structure of the operator. So he said he

864
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: was he put another guy's suit on because they had

865
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: the test subject with six of that days. He was

866
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: somewhat of the same size. He said the suit didn't

867
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: operate as efficiently because there was the connection points throughout

868
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: the suit weren't the same as as the as the

869
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: test subject. So there's that probably this is would be

870
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: very difficult to feel this now. Blockeed Martin's exo exoskeleton, Uh,

871
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: you know metabolic aptemizer that their lower portion, the leg

872
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: portion that they that they developed. I could I could

873
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: see that by seven being a fully feelable, conventional use

874
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: uh system. I could see that more than the Talus.

875
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: The Talus is more of the Yeah it's cool, you've

876
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: got bionic legs, but I've got this five pound Iron

877
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: Man suit and I'm bad as fun. So, like I said,

878
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: this is this is well well well down down the

879
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: spectrum down to the scope. But the drone software, the

880
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: drone technology, swarm box, everything, it was amazing. It was

881
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: like playing call it. It was like a like being

882
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: a call of duty. Advanced warfare. There was It's just

883
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: there was it. And these were functional. These were these

884
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: weren't just like mock up models. These these things were

885
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: flying around the convention hall. They mean the clicks and

886
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: words that I that I'm telling you that was. Everything

887
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: was robotic, everything was high tech. Everything was you know,

888
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: a soft English voice like your GPS would tell you

889
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: turn right. This was you know, shoot that guy in

890
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: the face. I mean, it's just very pleasant, very very integrative.

891
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: It's it's the new, the new, the new warfighter is

892
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of bells and whistles that he's

893
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: got to be plugging into his you know, his his

894
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: op score. So there's a trainable And that's what I

895
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: kept asking guys, how what's the trainability of this? Because

896
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: Joe is inherently dumb and he's going to break everything.

897
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: Even the smartest of door kickers, he's gonna they're gonna

898
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: break it because it's not theirs. It's like when we're

899
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: over in Iraq, Jack, they gave us some the f

900
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: one fifties. They're not ours trash him. You know, it's

901
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: it's it's unfortunately, it's it's it's what they do. And

902
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: what I was at the answer back was at every evolution,

903
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: every step, even the tiniest of steps, they take that

904
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: new step, they take that new evolution, and they go

905
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: right to their operator tests. Ben, like, what do you

906
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: think in these guys they'll say, no, that's bullshit, or yeah,

907
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: that's that's that's actually cool. And what I what I

908
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: heard from versus the Talos versus the luckied Martin was luckied.

909
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: Martin's EXO skeleton is getting a lot of thumbs up,

910
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: whereas the Talos is everyone's kind of like good concepts.

911
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: I like what I'm seeing in video. It's really cool looking.

912
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: How heavy is it? Lost five hundred pounds? The first

913
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: thing I thought was, well, that thing's gonna die on me.

914
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: How do I get out of it? And I'm running

915
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: around in It's like the land Warrior system, like it's

916
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: going to have to go through several generations, several different

917
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: iterations of the same program before they get something that's workable. Yeah,

918
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: and alockeed Martin exoskeleton suit that they I think next month.

919
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: What he told me was they haven't jumped it yet,

920
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: satic line. Its time now. He was telling me he's

921
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: got that. You know, he's he was a fifty two.

922
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: I think I shouldn't say that. I I mean, he's an

923
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: older guys on my age. We all have bad needs.

924
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 1: And he said he took this, he took the latest

925
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: system home and he decided to jump off of his

926
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: staircase down to the floor just from top second floor

927
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: to the first floor. Not an issue. I didn't even

928
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: feel it. And he was able to just leap around

929
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: the room. And this is this is something that's already

930
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: able to be used. And they're they're using a proprietary

931
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: battery source which is kind of the same size as

932
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: r C car batteries, you know, and and they're able

933
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: to because of the kinetic energy, the kinetic movement of

934
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: the exoskeleton suits. It maximizes in it, it becomes efficient,

935
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: that the energy used becomes efficient, so they get a lot,

936
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 1: they get a longer use out of it, and hot

937
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 1: swapping batteries. It's simple, it's it's easy. It's like those

938
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: you know, cordless drills. You know that battery runs out,

939
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: you just hot swap into another way. It's kind of

940
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: a similar I'm I'm simplifying it. Obviously it's more technological

941
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: than that, but it's as from an operators standpoint, carrying around,

942
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: you know, twelve extra motorcycle batteries to throw into the

943
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: Tallos when I go down in an hour versus a

944
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: six to twelve hour operating schedule on on a four

945
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: battery pack where I can just switch those battery packs out. Yeah,

946
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 1: there's weight there, but the exo suit, the exoskeleton suit

947
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: from Lockheed Martin, augments that and creates an easier environment

948
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: for them to carry a heavier load. Interesting, it's pretty interesting.

949
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: And I've I've been invite there in Florida, and I'm

950
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: gonna gonna tell you this first. I've been invited, uh

951
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: next month ago to the Lackey Martin's Tests Center and

952
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna let me run through the excel suit. That's

953
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: a jumping on stuff, kicking doors in and running around.

954
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 1: So I'll be I'll definitely be doing a report report

955
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: on that. That's pretty blessed to kind of be invited

956
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: that do that. So Tallos not so much there's like

957
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: here's a here's a pamphlet. It's really needs colored all right, man, Well,

958
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: thank you for the update on the SOFA conference Derek.

959
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: It's been pretty good. I wanted to. I learned a

960
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: lot too. It's interesting to hear what all the latest

961
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: and greatest is over there. Thanks for coming on, man,

962
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: appreciate it. It's a great update on on this conference

963
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: and everything. Um. You guys know Derek. I mean you

964
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: read his articles, but I always like to make sure

965
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: that people are familiar if their new listeners and all

966
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: that stuff. Um, and you can follow Derek on Twitter

967
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: at Mike six but spelled of course M one K

968
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: three five one X. Do I have that right? That

969
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: is absolutely correct off the top of my head. Killed it, um,

970
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: because you've been having to repeat that for years. Yeah,

971
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: any anything else that you're promoting before we get out

972
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: of here. No, it's it's been a really interesting time

973
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: of SOFIC. I'm you know, I'm nording out so pretty

974
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: much all that cool text stuff that's not right. I'm

975
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: glad you guys can make it down there this year. Yeah.

976
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,479
Speaker 1: Thanks for sending me absolutely Thanks man, talk to you soon,

977
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: all right, take care of joining us on the show

978
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: for the first time is Nick Kaufman. Nick's been a

979
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: writer for the site for a while and it has

980
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: actually contributed to the show in ways that, uh, some

981
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: of you might not even know. Um. He got us

982
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: the hook up with Marine Corps Major Fred Galvin for

983
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: the episodes that we did talking about his uh, his

984
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: issues with supposed war crimes and getting into the real

985
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: story of what happened. And you did some really in

986
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: depth articles about that. You can check out those episodes

987
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: in the archive episodes two oh six if you haven't. Uh.

988
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: Nick served five years as a Marine Corps network operator,

989
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: serving with the eighth Marine Regiment and later with mar Forecom,

990
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: and he now actually holds a master's degree in I T. Management. Uh.

991
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: You have a book out from a few months back

992
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: called The Other Marines, God's Plan and Provision for two Marines.

993
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: So it's great to have you on, man. Yeah, thanks, guys,

994
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: it's good to finally be on. You know. I know

995
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: it fell through a few times, and the only disappointment

996
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: for me is, uh, I had this master plan to

997
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: have b K crash the show with me and not

998
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: tell you. So you've since had him on as a guest,

999
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: but it's uh, it's good to finally be here. Yeah. No,

1000
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: b K is great and it's always good to have

1001
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: him on. Yeah, we'll have him back on soon. Uh. So,

1002
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: I guess before we even get into the book itself,

1003
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: you you said you didn't mind talking about this, so

1004
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: your book. The publisher of your book, the other Marines

1005
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: just recently got into some hot water. I guess you

1006
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: could say, yeah, you could say that, Um, so that

1007
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: the company is that is that a business? Um, I'll leave.

1008
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: I mean it's not hard to find. If you do, uh,

1009
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: do a search for the book, you'll see the publisher is.

1010
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: But just to keep myself at hot water, I won't

1011
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: say their name, but basically the president and then the

1012
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: CEO who is the son to the president. Um there,

1013
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: I think it was eight felony counts that they are

1014
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 1: brought against them. Um it's like embezzlement, fraud, and uh

1015
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: several others. But they're gonna be in jail for a

1016
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: long time, I'm pretty sure. So so so as a result,

1017
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be plugging the book. UM, happy to

1018
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: I'm happy to talk about it. But uh, basically, yeah,

1019
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: I mean it was something that Uh, I started off,

1020
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of putting my thoughts down as

1021
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: I was getting close at the end of mine listening,

1022
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: and uh, I thought it would be kind of cool

1023
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: to have something like that for for my kids and

1024
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, just you know, family and things like that,

1025
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: and um, it's a as Jack would know. Uh, the

1026
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: book gig is a tough one to get into, and

1027
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: my options are pretty limited. So I knew from the

1028
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: start that the publisher was a little shady and they

1029
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: had a reputation for not being uh too honest with

1030
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: their authors. But basically the president who I talked to

1031
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: at a certain point, he he's a former marine and uh,

1032
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure his sun was too for that matter,

1033
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: but he basically instead of paying thousands of dollars to

1034
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: to publish my book, um it was like a few

1035
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,479
Speaker 1: hundred basically, So I figured I didn't have anything to lose,

1036
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: even though they had a bad reputation and and you know, frankly,

1037
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: at this point, with the company out of business and

1038
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: um my my book basically no longer on the market. UM,

1039
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: I made the few bucks back that I put into it,

1040
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: and I'm glad I'm not those guys because they're gonna

1041
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: be in They're gonna be uh in prison for quite

1042
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: a while. Well, I mean, if we want to, you know,

1043
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: be honest here about publishing books, is you've self published Jack.

1044
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: Before we started the interview, Jack and I were just

1045
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: kind of talking about this, and you were basically saying

1046
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 1: Nick could just put out his own book through Amazon

1047
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: the way you did and and there would be no issues. Yeah.

1048
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: I mean what I'd say to to you, Nick and

1049
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: anybody else really who's thinking about publishing. It's just like ethically,

1050
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: money is supposed to flow to the writer. The writer

1051
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: isn't supposed to pay a publisher to publish their book

1052
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: like that, like right away that should like, please don't

1053
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, they're looking back on it. So the

1054
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: book actually didn't get released until a few months after

1055
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: I started writing for you all, but I didn't even

1056
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't even on with you guys yet when the

1057
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: book deals was already done. So timing wise, it would

1058
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: have been nice if I could talk to you guys,

1059
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, before I signed the deal. But it all

1060
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: kind of worked out in the end because it's had

1061
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: a literary agent explained to me, like, if you're not

1062
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: famous infamous or have some crazy story that needs to

1063
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: be told, then your chances of getting it published or

1064
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: are slender none. So so yeah, I would agree with that,

1065
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: um from my own experience, if I ever decided to

1066
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: do another book, it's to be going that route. And uh,

1067
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, well, now now that's publisher. Now that the

1068
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: publishers out of business, I mean, did the book rights

1069
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: pervert back to you? So that's it's funny because even

1070
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: after they were out of business, and you know, the

1071
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: the attorney general for the state that they're in had

1072
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: gone after him. Even after all that, they basically set

1073
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: up a They sent out an email to all of

1074
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: the writers that said, hey, send us a check fifty

1075
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: bucks and sign this agreement and we'll send you a

1076
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: copy of your you know, like um, basically we'll send

1077
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: you all of your materials and it will be years

1078
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: to keep that. And and what they actually found was

1079
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: that they were actually taking that at the fifty dollars times.

1080
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: However many I would imagine thousands of writers did that.

1081
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: They actually took that fifty bucks and went straight into

1082
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: their personal account, not even like the company account, So

1083
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: that even that was a scam. So oh yeah, big time.

1084
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: So my philosophy at this point is if uh, you know,

1085
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: if I decided that I want to publish my book,

1086
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: uh you know through uh like Amazon or something like that,

1087
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: they can come after me if they want. But I

1088
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be tough to do that from jail.

1089
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: So I think you should do I think you should

1090
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: do it just if you have the rights to the book, man,

1091
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: you just could do it yourself. And from what you're saying,

1092
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: Jack is someone who's done it yourself with your deckcard novels.

1093
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't even need to put any money up front.

1094
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: The book is is done, they'll press it for you

1095
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: and if people want to buy it, you'll get the

1096
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: profits from that. Yeah. I've already said that Nick I

1097
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: will help him out with his audio book man. Yeah, yeah,

1098
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: that's it never comes to that. I'll let you know, Man,

1099
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate that too. Yeah, no problem. How

1100
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: do you feel though about you know, this isn't just

1101
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,479
Speaker 1: a book publisher, like it's got to be kind of weird,

1102
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: a marine screwing over a fellow marine. Yeah, So that

1103
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: that's actually kind of leading into something that is pretty

1104
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: important to me as far as my work with software,

1105
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: which is at this point, I mean it's not exclusive

1106
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: to Marines, but a lot of the articles that I've

1107
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: been working on, especially recently, or related to me just

1108
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: looking out for other Marines. And uh, even even when

1109
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: I was in, but especially since I'm out now, I've

1110
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: never really bought into the whole simpler fi I always

1111
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: faithful thing, Like I hate when guys say that to me,

1112
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: and I don't ever say it either. Um. Basically, I

1113
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: saw enough when I was in the Marines to know

1114
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: that you know, your brothers are you know, they're always

1115
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: gonna be there for you. But um, as far as

1116
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: everybody else, I mean, they don't really care about you.

1117
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: Like I guess in combat, I think that would still apply, Like,

1118
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: you know, you're not just gonna leave somebody there if

1119
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: they need, you know, if they if they can help you,

1120
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: they will. But as far as just man demand personal

1121
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: life and stuff like that, it's, uh, it's a dog

1122
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: eat dog world. And um, I'm not really surprised that

1123
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: these scumbag publishers did, but they did. Um, and again

1124
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really hold it against them because

1125
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: I kind of got the last laugh. I mean, there

1126
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: I feel bad for some of the publishers or some

1127
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: of the authors that spent like thirty grand I think

1128
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: in some cases on the rights for their book and

1129
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: then actual books, and then they didn't get a single book,

1130
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: um let alone, you know, a dollar from sales. I mean,

1131
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: they didn't get anything. So I think I made out

1132
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: pretty well. I mean, so this was like, this was

1133
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: like a fairly large publisher. I mean you're talking about

1134
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: a good number of authors. Yeah, I mean it was.

1135
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: It was not a small small publisher in the sense

1136
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: of of their their client base. I mean they had

1137
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: they had a lot of work. So it's all kind

1138
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: of like a Ponzi scheme. It sounds like, yeah, it

1139
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: really does. Um. You know, like I said, I'm I'm fortunate,

1140
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: Like I feel bad for a lot of these authors

1141
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: that are out big money, but for me, UM, I

1142
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: got the upper hand on the deal. So I'm not

1143
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna try to go after him for anything. Um.

1144
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm content just to move on from it.

1145
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: But it is kind of a barmer because the reason

1146
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: I wrote the book, um again, other than just kind

1147
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: of having something from my kids to read one day,

1148
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: is um just a different side of the Marine Corps.

1149
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: So I was I was an infantry support in my MS.

1150
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: It was a network operator like you said, and um,

1151
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a different world from you know,

1152
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: I was with an infantry unit. But um, obviously our

1153
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: our roles are much different and uh, you know, our

1154
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: our little world within the Marine Corps is is a

1155
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: lot different too, So I just wanted to kind of

1156
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: shed some light on that. And then then I talked

1157
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: to a few of my other friends that were in

1158
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, whether it was an MP or an EOD

1159
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: technician or whatever it is, and you know, I kind

1160
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: of wanted to get their story out there too, because

1161
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: there's not a lot, I mean, especially from Marine Cory

1162
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: O D. I don't think there's a single book out there.

1163
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: So um, I basically the book is about my time

1164
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: in the military obviously. And and then a good friend

1165
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: of mine his named Seawan, the EOD tech, really good guy,

1166
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: and um, you know it's it's I thought it was interesting,

1167
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: um and uh, you know, if anybody's interest that at

1168
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: this point and taking a look, you know, feel free

1169
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: to reach out to me on Twitter and or you

1170
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: can email me if you can find all my contact

1171
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: infot on soft wrep and I'll be happy to share

1172
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: it with you because at this point I'm not I'm

1173
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: not in it for the money, that's for sure. Well,

1174
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: what's what's the book actually about? So, uh, it's basically

1175
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: the Seawan and I. We we met whenever I was

1176
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: He's probably ten years older than me, I think, but

1177
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: I remember him from my hometown. Uh kind of growing up.

1178
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: We knew each other through church and some mutual friends.

1179
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: But when I got stationed at Campbell June UM in

1180
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: North Carolina, hit him and his wife were actually living

1181
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: out there and he was stationed there too, so um,

1182
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: they kind of became like a second family and uh,

1183
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, would cook me meals and take care of

1184
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: me and just check in from time to time, and uh,

1185
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, he his time in the in the military

1186
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: started off slightly. It was just before nine eleven. He

1187
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: was actually an aviation ordinanceman, so he was taking care

1188
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: of helicopters and um. He while he was deployed to

1189
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: Afghanistan right after nine eleven, he met a couple of

1190
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, the guys that I think they were basically

1191
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: talking about a chicken that they had captured and how

1192
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: they were like being m R. E s and they

1193
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: were going to like fat it up to make some

1194
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: like stew or something like that. And these dudes were

1195
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: just crazy, and he was like, I want to know

1196
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: more about these guys, Like, you know, it's not just

1197
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: the fact that they're crazy, but it sounds like your

1198
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: job is pretty cool too. So he switched from being

1199
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: an air wing guy to an EOD technician after a

1200
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: few years, and I went on a lot of deployments. Um,

1201
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, saw a lot of things. And in the book,

1202
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: it basically just talks about the selection process for that,

1203
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: the school that he had to go through, and then

1204
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: some of the deployments that he went on. So just

1205
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: to stop you, is this book more about his story

1206
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: than yours or just your story? It's pretty evenly split.

1207
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: So so obviously the book hasn't really been at the

1208
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: front of my mind recently, obviously, but to set it

1209
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: up a little bit more, it's it's basically evenly split

1210
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: between our decisions that led us to join the military,

1211
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: and then like our past throughout and then how they

1212
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: kind of crossed for a little bit, and then as

1213
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,959
Speaker 1: we transitioned out, um, and then again the the goal

1214
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: is to show a different side of the marine corps. Um.

1215
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of recon books and regular infantry,

1216
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: your tankers and things like that, but to my knowledge,

1217
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything else like it on the market.

1218
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: So well, I'm wondering, what's what's the main um point

1219
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: that you tried to get out in this book and

1220
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: what separates it from other books of former marines like yourself. Yeah. So,

1221
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's not, um, I mean, it's definitely got

1222
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: a religious undertone to it because that's a big part

1223
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: of who I am and shown too. But it's not preachy,

1224
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: and it's not you know, it's not trying to convert anybody.

1225
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: But it's basically just sharing our stories and showing how, um,

1226
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, our our faith in God kind of let

1227
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: it each each step that we took in the military

1228
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: to uh to bring us to where we ended up

1229
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: with our families and everything like that. Um. So it's

1230
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: it's it's basically just kind of a testimony to show, um,

1231
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, how how God let us through some of

1232
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: these crazy decisions that we made in situations we were in.

1233
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: And then, um, you know, the second point is for

1234
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: it to just get a little insight into the side

1235
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: of the marine where that most people don't know about.

1236
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: I think that's cool, man. I mean there's been authors

1237
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: on the show who faith is a big part of

1238
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: their life, guys like Respianto and other guys who don't

1239
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: have faith is a part of their wife. Does your

1240
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: faith get shaken when once you see combat as marine?

1241
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: Well so for Sean definitely, uh he uh he was

1242
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: in I was never really any any hairy situations. Um.

1243
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: When I deployed in two thousand nine, it was it

1244
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: was pretty slow over there. Like I remember my last

1245
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: the last conboy that I went on was with an

1246
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: infantry battalion that they were trying to get a lot

1247
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: of their boots combat action ribbons. So they basically, you know,

1248
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: as far as the setup of the convoy and how

1249
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: we did things, they changed a lot, basically making us

1250
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: a target, trying to pull the bad guys out, and uh,

1251
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, no matter how are we tried, it just

1252
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: seem like it was you know, I think I have

1253
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: three d guys and are in my regiment. There were

1254
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: like there's one purple heart and like a handful of

1255
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: of combat action ribbon. So um to sum it up

1256
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: pretty slow deployment for me. But for Sean, Yeah, I

1257
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: mean he he had He's literally been standing on pressure

1258
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: plate i e. D s before that didn't go off. Um,

1259
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, things like that, just this crazy situations and um,

1260
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of that that's outlined in

1261
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: the book. So it's really interesting to me how combat

1262
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: has like these diametrically opposed impact on people, especially people

1263
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: who their faith is really important to them. It seems

1264
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: like it either drives them further towards their faith or

1265
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: completely separates them away from it. I've seen it go

1266
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: in both directions. Yeah, that's it's a good point. And

1267
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: uh you know I know that, uh like from just

1268
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: kind of speaking on Shawn's behalf again in his story.

1269
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he's in his line of work, he worked

1270
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: with a lot of guys that weren't overly religious until

1271
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: they were overseas, and then it ranched out pretty quick

1272
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 1: when you're in those situations. Yeah, it's funny how it

1273
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,440
Speaker 1: affects different people, you know, in different ways. I interviewed

1274
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 1: um Paul Redgate, who served in Fourth Ranger Company in

1275
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: the Korean War, and he was in the article series

1276
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,839
Speaker 1: I wrote about Special Forces Detachment Korea, and his account

1277
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: is uh is in the beginning of that article. Um,

1278
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,839
Speaker 1: him in the Korean War and they assaulted a damn

1279
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: and his best friend, one of his best friends, and

1280
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: his squad was killed and the guy basically you know,

1281
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: died in his arms and uh, and he said that

1282
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: was the day I became a Christian. His his his

1283
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: friend's last words were, I believe it was for his grace. Yeah, yeah,

1284
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 1: that'll that'll do it. I mean, I can't imagine being

1285
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: in that situation. But it's no surprise when you hear

1286
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: you hear stories like that that guys. You know, I've

1287
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: served with a lot of guys that were pretty openly

1288
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: um you know, whether they're atheist or whatever it was,

1289
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I don't know what they went through,

1290
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,600
Speaker 1: um in their personal opinions of their own. But I

1291
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: was fortunate that nobody ever gave me in grief about

1292
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: my own personal beliefs or anything like that. And uh,

1293
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: it never caused any problems overseas, so that that was

1294
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: always nice to not have to deal with that. But yeah,

1295
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel I can look, I'm the civilian here,

1296
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: but of the guys that met. There's a pretty good

1297
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: mix of guys who are religious. Faith is a part

1298
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: of their wife. And there's plenty of guys I've met

1299
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: who are atheists. You included Jack who are Yeah. I

1300
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: was in the back of my mind as I was

1301
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: saying that, and it's all good. Um, so I'm wondering,

1302
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: is it is Sean still with us or is that

1303
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: did you write this book kind of on his behalf? No? Yeah,

1304
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: so he still with us? He Uh, I think he

1305
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: had a thirteen year It was to over thirteen years

1306
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: that he wrapped up, if I'm not mistaken. Um, but

1307
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: he's he actually lives in the same time as I

1308
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: do with his family, and he's still got an awesome job.

1309
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: He's still basically he's doing E O D at A

1310
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: at a base I you know, won't go into it,

1311
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: but he's he's got a job blowing stuff up, still

1312
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: under much better circuit you know, circumstances and surrounding. So well,

1313
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: what did what did you think of you telling the

1314
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: story of of both you guys. I mean, honestly, it

1315
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: was it was just more therapeutic for him than anything, because, uh,

1316
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, when I when I first met him as

1317
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 1: a Marine. You know, he I showed up at Campbell

1318
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: June while he was deployed two I think he was

1319
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: in Romandi at the time, and uh, you know, things

1320
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: were hopping and UM when he came back, I just

1321
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: I just remember thinking, you know, this guy seems a

1322
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: little high strung, and you know, it's pretty pretty private guys.

1323
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, even though I'm around him, I'm

1324
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 1: gonna give him some space. And it wasn't as we

1325
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: started working on a book that I found out all

1326
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: the stuff he was dealing with, you know, losing losing teammates,

1327
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,839
Speaker 1: or just the general stress that he was under. Um,

1328
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: I had no idea until years later. So for him,

1329
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, he hadn't told his wife a lot of it. Um,

1330
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: the majority of it. He definitely hadn't told his parents

1331
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: or his brother or anything like that. It was it

1332
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: was all pretty fresh for him. So UM, in his case,

1333
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: it was it was helpful. UM. He was actually really

1334
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: like by the time we've wrapped up the process, he

1335
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 1: felt like a new person. You know. That makes me

1336
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,839
Speaker 1: wonder like, if there's anyone whoever asks him, like, hey,

1337
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: what type of stuff did you do in the military,

1338
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: is he able to just give them what you wrote

1339
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: and say like, hey, read this book. It tells my story.

1340
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 1: I know what's happened in a In a few cases

1341
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: since the book came out, but generally speaking, I think

1342
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 1: he pretty much just says E O D. And they

1343
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: don't know what he's talking about, but they nod their

1344
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: heads okay, or they think about the heart locker or

1345
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: something like that. Um, you know, he's I don't think

1346
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: he ever really gets tuned too much. Um, he's pretty

1347
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: quiet about it in the first place. So like most

1348
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: most marines that I know, like they'll tell you their

1349
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: marine like you don't have to, you don't have to

1350
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: find out, it'll tell you. But he's something here about

1351
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: steals more than marine. I haven't much about marine. Marines

1352
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: can give him a run for their money. I mean

1353
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: when I meet people, you know, who I don't know

1354
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: anything about, and they asked me they found out I

1355
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 1: was in the military, they asked what I did in

1356
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: the in the military, I just told him I was

1357
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: in the infantry and leave it at that. It's like,

1358
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if you are, I don't want to

1359
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: talk about it with you. Yeah. I usually just say like,

1360
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody cares that I was in the air

1361
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: co operator and technically mine always changed a few times

1362
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: when I was in Like I'm not even sure why

1363
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: it just did. It just showed up in our system.

1364
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: Is something else even though I did the same job.

1365
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: But um, basically I just have to say I was

1366
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: a calm guy. You know, most people know what that means.

1367
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 1: They just you know, instead of they're trying having to

1368
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: explain everything, they just as seem when I was like

1369
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: a radio operator or something like that. It's good enough

1370
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: for me. But you're a guy who made a pretty

1371
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,879
Speaker 1: successful transition to from doing that to holding a master's

1372
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 1: degree in I T management. I think that's pretty awesome. Yeah,

1373
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Um, I mean it's it definitely was.

1374
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't easy, but I mean I think it was

1375
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: is like the situation I found myself in was was optimal. Um.

1376
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: I had a lot of like my job before I

1377
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: got out was lined up I think eight months prior

1378
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: to my e s um. So, I mean just a

1379
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: lot of the things that guys have to deal with

1380
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: after they get out, we're already in place before I

1381
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:38,959
Speaker 1: even left. So, um, again, you know, just really fortunate

1382
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: that my my skills translated into the profession I'm in now. UM.

1383
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:48,480
Speaker 1: You know, I have a lot of personal regrets about um,

1384
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 1: you know, having served in an infantry regiment and known

1385
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 1: a lot of grunts, and you know, I always wanted

1386
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: to do that, but I never did, so I don't know.

1387
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes I kind of I regret it, but at the

1388
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,560
Speaker 1: end of the day, I'm thankful for the path that

1389
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 1: I took because because it's set me up for where

1390
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm at now. So I try not to try, try

1391
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: not to worry about it too much. But right on

1392
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: man um, A lot of people really dug the interviews

1393
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: that we did with Marine Corps Major Fred Galvin. As

1394
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: I said, you wrote multiple parts series on his trial

1395
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: and the allegations against him. So how did you get

1396
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: poked up with Fred? So? I think it was Desiree

1397
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 1: who was like, Hey, there's some guy that says he,

1398
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: you know, remembers you from working at mar four Colm

1399
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: or something like that. He's got this story and he'd

1400
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: really like to talk to somebody. I think he'd be,

1401
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, probably the best option to take the story.

1402
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,799
Speaker 1: And so we we talked at first, and I remember

1403
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: him kind of laughing because I was under the impression

1404
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: like I knew the general story because Military Times had

1405
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 1: covered it um prior, and I kind of thought, yeah,

1406
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: well we'll do We'll do an article and you know,

1407
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 1: no big deal. And he's like, I don't think you

1408
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: really understand how how heavy, how much? Yeah, I mean,

1409
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: it's it's very complicated. And um. One of the great

1410
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: things I like about being with soft WAP is that,

1411
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, Jack and Brandon have never once said now

1412
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: you better not you know, go there, be careful with

1413
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: this or that. I mean, you know, if there's material

1414
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: that we can use in an article, um, you know,

1415
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 1: I've always gotten a green light, and some of the

1416
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: other like Military Times not you know, they did a

1417
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: great job with their series, but they didn't touch, you know,

1418
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: but a fraction of some of the unclassified materials that

1419
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: had just been released. So it's uh, you know, there's

1420
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: the case of the three Green Berets who are killed

1421
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: in Jordan's and you know, I wrote a bunch of

1422
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: articles about that, and uh. And then what happened was

1423
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: the fifteen six got released and the families came out

1424
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: and held a press conference, and there's a there's a

1425
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: real scandal out what happened there, that these three Green

1426
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: Berets were murdered, and I was shocked, absolutely shocked by

1427
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: the mainstream media headline, and this is almost verbatim. It

1428
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:13,520
Speaker 1: was like green Beret murdered. Green Beret is not responsible

1429
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 1: for their own deaths. And I was like, that's what

1430
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:19,520
Speaker 1: you took away from all of that? Really, Yeah, it's

1431
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 1: pretty bizarre. Like I've had just enough interaction with a

1432
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: few major news outlets and some of their big editors

1433
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: and things like that, you know, to where in talking

1434
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: to them, I'm just I'm blown away by how selective

1435
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: they are about what they care about and often oblivious. Yeah,

1436
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: either they're they're oblivious or they just don't care because

1437
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 1: they don't see what it can do for them, Like

1438
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,560
Speaker 1: why should we cover this if it's not going to

1439
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: help us out, or you know, it's it's totally backwards

1440
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: from the way software operates. And I really appreciate that.

1441
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,799
Speaker 1: I really did enjoy and I thought it was important

1442
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: our interviews with UH with Fred Gavin because I was

1443
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: one of those guys who I heard sort of the

1444
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,759
Speaker 1: room and about that Marsock operation and how things went bad,

1445
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: and UH and Fred really like blew the lid off

1446
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: of that and kind of talked about what actually happened

1447
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: out that day, and the two stories are diametrically opposed

1448
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: to one another. It was fascinating to listen to what

1449
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: he had to say about it. Yeah, you know, I

1450
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: don't know how many hours I've spent with him on

1451
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 1: the phone and even in person, and it never gets old.

1452
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just a fascinating guy. And uh, I

1453
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: actually remember messaging you about the story when I first

1454
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 1: got the assignment from Desiree and asked what you thought

1455
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: about it, And I think you said something along the

1456
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: lines of like, oh, is that when those MARSK dudes

1457
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: like shot up some village or something like that. It's

1458
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: it's crazy. How you know that that was the narrative

1459
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: that that was the story that I floated out to everyone. Yeah,

1460
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: and like Socks and had released, uh, you know, had

1461
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: a media released that it was a less than a month.

1462
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: I think it was after the the incident happened, and uh,

1463
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: the investigation was still getting going, and uh they released

1464
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: a press release that said, you know this, many civilians

1465
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: killed and um, you know this many injured and this

1466
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: and that, and the bottom line is like not only

1467
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: was it premature, but it was just reckless because the

1468
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: investigation was still ongoing for one but after the investigation concluded,

1469
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: they never found bodies or anything. And like they tried

1470
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 1: to say that they didn't find brass case things from

1471
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, the the enemy, Well they did, but just

1472
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: a week before n c. S was was to pick

1473
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: them up, they somehow magically got destroyed in a burn pit.

1474
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: And there's just so many instances, you know, where it

1475
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:47,799
Speaker 1: was just shady from the start, and uh, it's amazing that, uh,

1476
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: you know, to see Fred's determination to you know, he

1477
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,679
Speaker 1: he was after the Court of inquiry, it was clear

1478
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: that he wasn't going to jail and they were quote

1479
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: unquote proven innocent. But um, it just shows the type

1480
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: of character he has to fight for for the other

1481
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:05,759
Speaker 1: six Marines that weren't you know, under his command. For

1482
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: ten years later, he's still fighting for him to get

1483
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: him cleared properly. You know. Yeah, it's unbelievable that they

1484
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: haven't like truly apologized or cleared their names. And uh,

1485
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: and what was it. Fred was saying just recently that

1486
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: one of the generals in charge of that he was

1487
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: under he was under this guy's command in Afghanistan when

1488
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: it happened, and the guy accidentally called Fred, yeah, and

1489
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: Fred gave him the earful Yes, I don't. Fred may

1490
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:37,959
Speaker 1: kill me for talking about it. He didn't said it publicly,

1491
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: I think, uh maybe, but either way, I'll touch on

1492
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: it a little bit. But basically, someone heavily involved with

1493
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:51,440
Speaker 1: with the outcome of of the the incident um accidentally

1494
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: called Fred and basically said, you know, Fred basically laid

1495
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: into him for ten fifteen minutes and it spleen um

1496
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: the truth of the matter. And the guy basically said,

1497
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: why I subscribe to a different set of facts? Said

1498
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: and it's just mind boggling. You know. Either the guy,

1499
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he knows, regardless whether or not he's read

1500
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: our article series or not, he he was a part

1501
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: of it. He knows what the what the deal was,

1502
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: but he's either blatantly choosing to ignore it or he's

1503
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: just that twisted where he believes is on side, you know, like, yeah,

1504
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: the facts are the facts are the facts, and you

1505
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: can't change it. You know, if you say you subscribe

1506
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: to a different set of facts, I mean one is

1507
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 1: true and one's not. A court proved that one set

1508
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: was was true. You know, I just don't understand. That

1509
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: buggles my mind. But but it's crazy to think that

1510
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 1: some of these guys that were involved. I mean, you've

1511
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: got General Nicholson over in Afghanistan. He's the you know, uh,

1512
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 1: the top guy in Afghanistan, and uh, he's he's basically

1513
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: gotten off Scott free. I mean, in the court of

1514
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 1: inquiry it was proven countless times that he was at

1515
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: best negligent and at worst, I mean he was reckless.

1516
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 1: I mean he he made so many decisions with the

1517
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: investigation and how he handled the the incident that we're

1518
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 1: just mind boggling. And you know, he's cruised all the

1519
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: way up to four stars in the top spot and

1520
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: at the end it would be really really interesting to

1521
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: try to get to the bottom of you know, the

1522
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: big question is why, um, why this like witch hunt

1523
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 1: after Marsk and uh, Fred kind of alluded to that

1524
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 1: he thinks it was about money, um, in other words,

1525
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: funding and that I mean, to me, it sounds like

1526
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: it was a deliberate effort to try to sink Marsk

1527
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: on their first outing. I don't I don't know what

1528
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: your impression is, Nick, Yeah, I don't it's it's hard

1529
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: to you know, point to one thing specifically, but that's

1530
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: definitely part of it. I mean, if you remember back

1531
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: and it's covered in the article um the series, but

1532
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 1: before MARSK was stood up, they had that one, and

1533
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: that's you know, Debt one was they did a great

1534
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: job on their I believe it was their only but

1535
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 1: on their first deployment, and you know, I think it

1536
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: was iraq um. They nailed it. They did a great job,

1537
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: and the men that served in that unit, you know,

1538
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: should be proud of what they did. But the fact is,

1539
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: Debt one is not what General or Donald rumsfeld Uh,

1540
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 1: that's not what he asked for. He asked for Marstock,

1541
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: he asked, he asked for something that was much bigger,

1542
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: um and much more um fully functioning than that one.

1543
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: So from the get go, they, you know, the powers

1544
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: that be, tried to you know that they knew that

1545
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: they had to comply with with Mr. Rumsfeldt's you know request,

1546
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: but they basically tried to slow roll it and and

1547
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: just you know, be halfhearted about rolling out that one.

1548
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 1: And he finally said, no, that's not what I asked for.

1549
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: You you're gonna give me what I asked for so

1550
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 1: they started rolling out mar Stock, but it was like

1551
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: they were trying to Definitely from the outside there were

1552
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, factors that were were up

1553
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: against them, but even internally, I mean there were just

1554
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 1: a lot of things within the Marine Corps that were

1555
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: lined up against them from the start. So it's I

1556
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: think you described it as harrowing, uh, the series that

1557
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 1: we worked on, but I mean it's just if any

1558
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: readers haven't checked it out yet, go they take a look,

1559
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: and just I mean it's it's incredible. Yeah, the whole

1560
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 1: the whole series you wrote about Fred Gavin and the

1561
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: Marsok experience definitely must read. And um and there's also

1562
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: a series about debt one on the website written by

1563
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: Pete Neil and if people are interested in checking that out,

1564
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 1: that's a pretty cool story. Also it's funny too with

1565
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: Fred though, um, you know, on one side, you could

1566
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,679
Speaker 1: look at it and say it looks like trouble followed

1567
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 1: him around no matter where he went to the the Marine Corps.

1568
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: But the truth is, you know, he he always stood

1569
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: up for what was right, So no matter where he went,

1570
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 1: if he saw something that was wrong, he was not

1571
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: afraid to call it out and stand up of the truth.

1572
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 1: And there's another really good article that I worked with

1573
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 1: him on in a Bunch of Marines from Third Recombat Tition. Uh.

1574
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 1: It's basically about a platoon from Third Recombat Tition in

1575
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven that they they brought on patrol, they

1576
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: got you know, they got ambushed, and whenever they requested

1577
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:26,560
Speaker 1: for fires, they the commander of that battalion he basically

1578
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: slow rolled a lot of decision making for about an hour,

1579
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: putting these guys lives at risks. And and then he

1580
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 1: was getting advice from Fred, who was trained on using

1581
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:40,640
Speaker 1: the proper munitions to drop the appropriate ordinance on that

1582
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: position to help these guys out, and he basically he

1583
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: literally disregarded that advice and dropped a five pound bomb

1584
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: like well within danger clothes. Um. And you know, the

1585
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: article talks about some of the fallout from that for

1586
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: those men and for Fred. So if any readers are

1587
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 1: interested in that, UM, I would recommend checking that one

1588
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: out too. Yeah. I was gonna ask, and I think

1589
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: he might have given us an answer on this, but

1590
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 1: I don't remember Jack. Don't you remember him saying that

1591
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,799
Speaker 1: he's had trouble with employment now, right, because if people

1592
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,640
Speaker 1: google and from the other yeah, this is what this

1593
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: is what comes up. So hopefully you know, the stuff

1594
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: that we put out combats that a little. But what

1595
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 1: is he actually doing now? So just to touch on

1596
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: a little bit more before I go into what he's doing,

1597
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: um right now, the it's true that a lot of

1598
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 1: those guys are are having trouble finding employment because it's

1599
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, you just do a quick web search and

1600
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: their names pop up. Um. And then to add to that,

1601
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: there there are still media outlets ten years later that

1602
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: are reporting that they killed civilians even though it's you

1603
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 1: can you know clearly, if you do some research, you

1604
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: can see that it's not true. But that stigma is

1605
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: still out there and the Marine Corps never done anything

1606
01:25:55,600 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 1: to to fully clear that. So, uh, what's actually the

1607
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 1: next step is congress Congressman Walter Jones from North Carolina

1608
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 1: has actually introduced a bill that is uh, basically, what

1609
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:10,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna do is asked the common down the Marine

1610
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 1: Corps to once and for all, properly exonerate these men

1611
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: and clear their names because it's it's long overdue, and

1612
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: hopefully it passes. I think they're supposed to vote on

1613
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 1: it this month, so that that that will hopefully be

1614
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: the end of this whole ordeal. But um, back to Fred.

1615
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: He he lives in Kansas City and he's got his

1616
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: own business. Um, he's also working on a book. Yeah,

1617
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: talking about how tough it is to crack into the

1618
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: book industry. I mean, this guy's got the story of

1619
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: all stories, and uh, you know, it's it's one thing

1620
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: after another as he's trying to to get this book

1621
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: deal lined up. But he's he's got the story detailed,

1622
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 1: and he's got help from from somebody that that we

1623
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 1: know through software that's helping them out to basically rewrite it.

1624
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 1: And um, when that does come out, it's you know,

1625
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: I hope that the book, along with this House resolution

1626
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: are gonna finally clear things up once and for all.

1627
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: I would think if Congressman Jones gives like a great

1628
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: passionate speech about this and also includes all the facts

1629
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 1: of what went on, people would feel wrong not to

1630
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: vote the way they should on this. Yeah, I mean

1631
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: you would think so. But like even at the Congressman

1632
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 1: Jones had a press release for the bill. It was

1633
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,600
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, and you know, all of

1634
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 1: the facts were discussed, and they had different different folks

1635
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 1: get up and talk about the story, and you know,

1636
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: it was very clear for anyone that paid attention. Um,

1637
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: you know that these men were innocent. And in spite

1638
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: of all that, a reporter that was at the press conference,

1639
01:27:57,960 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: whenever it was time for the Q and A was

1640
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 1: asking read about, you know, how many civilians did you kill?

1641
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 1: And Fred is kind of taking it back, like do

1642
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 1: you are you serious? You know, like you're really asking

1643
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: me this. So Fred addressed it and explained that that

1644
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 1: wasn't the case, and then it wasn't a few minutes later,

1645
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 1: the same guy was asking him the same question. And

1646
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know if people don't want to

1647
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: believe it or if it's that hard to wrap their

1648
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: minds around. But yeah, it's like what happens, you know,

1649
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: you repeat it so many times it becomes the truth

1650
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 1: in people's minds. Yeah, So we'll see what comes to that,

1651
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: but I'll be sure to you know, I know that

1652
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 1: there have been a lot of readers that have been

1653
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: faithful to supporting this this cause and writing their congressmen

1654
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 1: and congresswomen, and um, I'll be sure to keep everyone

1655
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: up to data that progresses. So I was also going

1656
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: to touch on you write a lot of really great

1657
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 1: pieces for the site that you do some thorough research for. Uh.

1658
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 1: The latest is Veteran Brain Injuries, Understanding and Treating Traumatic

1659
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 1: brain injury and chronic traumatic and cephal and cephalopathy. I

1660
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 1: look toff how to pronounce that word, because I was like,

1661
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: what is this? I just I just picked with CTE. So, uh, yeah,

1662
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: get into that with us. This looks like a great

1663
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:13,600
Speaker 1: article about some innovations that are happening. Sure, So the

1664
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 1: the article actually came about um after I wrote the

1665
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 1: article on the incident with Third Recon. I was talking

1666
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: about where the commander dropped that bomb danger close and

1667
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 1: then later admitted to the fact that, you know, if

1668
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 1: he had to sacrifice a few of his own troops

1669
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: with the greater good i e. The counterinsurgency philosophy, that

1670
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 1: he would do that. So that article got released in

1671
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 1: the father of one of the marines that was there

1672
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,839
Speaker 1: that day reached out to me his son had actually

1673
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 1: just committed suicide and he you know, as a result,

1674
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 1: the topic was clearly very important to him, and so

1675
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: of course I wanted to help get the word out

1676
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: any way way I could, and UM he actually did.

1677
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 1: I mean he did tons of research uh as as

1678
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: far as the brain injuries, and we work together and

1679
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:09,759
Speaker 1: and hopefully UM as a result of this article, he's

1680
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: got some some contacts that he's working with UM too

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01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 1: to basically lobby and try to get some change made

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Speaker 1: within the Marine Corps and the d o D. But

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01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 1: his research basically showed that there are some ways that

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01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: the v A and the d o D can can

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01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 1: treat these these victims of brain injuries. And UH, some

1686
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: of it is you know, following protocols that already exist,

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01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 1: whether it's a concussion protocol on a deployment you know.

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01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 1: UM in the case of third recon in two thousand

1689
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 1: and eleven, I mean, these guys got blown up NonStop

1690
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,639
Speaker 1: and they were sent right back out on patrol, even

1691
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 1: though they already had a protocol to to monitor him

1692
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:49,759
Speaker 1: and you know, give them a little bit of a break,

1693
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,600
Speaker 1: but it never happened. So you you let that go

1694
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 1: for a while and it adds up. UM. So there's

1695
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: some stuff you can do on the front end, and

1696
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 1: then on the back end there are some treatments with uh,

1697
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 1: you know, CBD and some of the things that are

1698
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: outlined in that article, um, you know there it's still

1699
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 1: in the early stages, but basically calling on people on

1700
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 1: the penning on to UH to start taking some action,

1701
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, there's there's plenty of power points,

1702
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 1: and there's plenty of you know whatever you want to

1703
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 1: call them, like basically marketing initiatives for for getting word out,

1704
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 1: but there's just not a whole lot of actions. So interesting, man,

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01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 1: Well check that article out once again. Veteran Brain Injuries

1706
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 1: on soft reap. Nick has plenty of interesting pieces, so

1707
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 1: we're really glad to finally get them on the members

1708
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 1: only podcast third edition of this UH. People have been

1709
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: giving us some great response to the members only podcasts

1710
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 1: that we're doing. Anything else that that you're we're working

1711
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 1: on before we let you go, man, Well, hopefully, hopefully

1712
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: in the near future, I'm going to have something on

1713
01:31:54,200 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 1: the incident with the three two Sniper Your Nation incident. Um,

1714
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: basically it has to do with the the guy that

1715
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 1: actually released the video. There's been a lot of a

1716
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 1: lot of talk about the incident obviously for years, and

1717
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 1: one thing that hasn't really been touched on is how

1718
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,680
Speaker 1: it actually got released. In the first place, and it's

1719
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:16,640
Speaker 1: there's some pretty shady stuff that went on with it,

1720
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 1: so um, trying to coordinate with the right sources to

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01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 1: make it happen. But so it wasn't like some of that.

1722
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it wasn't like some marines on social media,

1723
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 1: just that the film didn't put it up you know

1724
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 1: now it was. I don't want to get too much

1725
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: aware right now, but it's basically, uh, someone profited from

1726
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 1: that video, so um. So yeah, it'll be interesting to

1727
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: see where this road. If you go on to like

1728
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 1: YouTube or something like that, you can there's this Delta

1729
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:50,640
Speaker 1: Force operation where they did a hostage rescue in Afghanistan.

1730
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: I think it's called the Italian Job. And there's an

1731
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: interesting little backstory about how that video got released also

1732
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: little Serpentine paths that one out to. Yeah, yeah, it's

1733
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: been out. It's been out for years. Um and yeah,

1734
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 1: but a friend told me how it actually got leaked out.

1735
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,719
Speaker 1: But maybe one day we'll talk about that too. Yeah.

1736
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 1: I wonder if we'll ever be able to get an

1737
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: interview through Nick or something of the guy who filmed that.

1738
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 1: That would be a pretty interesting interview. Oh yeah, well,

1739
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: uh again, not to not to get I guess I'm

1740
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 1: giving away a good bit here, Okay, but that's what

1741
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 1: we do here. I'm pretty sure that that guy is

1742
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: no longer with us to his own wrongdoing, gotcha. Okay,

1743
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: so let's leave it. It's again, it's it's a crazy

1744
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 1: story and um you know, I'm not gonna go into

1745
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 1: detail until I have a few other things confirmed. But

1746
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: that's that's basically the gist of the story is, uh,

1747
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: this this guy was a character. So I'm pretty sure

1748
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: our audience is really going to look forward to that article.

1749
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 1: I know I am. I'm looking forward to seeing Um.

1750
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: I guess the last thing I was gonna say, man,

1751
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 1: you should republish this book, you know. I'm I'm sure

1752
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: you could just get it out there on Amazon, just

1753
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: like Jack as or even I mean, since the it

1754
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 1: is a faith based book, I think there's like Christian

1755
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 1: publishers and we want to hear a marine marine story

1756
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 1: from a faith perspective. It's it's possible. I mean, if

1757
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 1: they reach out to me and they have a better

1758
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 1: reputation than my previous publisher, I'll consider it. But I

1759
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go to the route that Jack mentioned.

1760
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 1: If I do that at all. So I should do something, guys.

1761
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm gonna give it a little bit

1762
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 1: of time and see how this all blows over with

1763
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 1: this current publisher. But yeah, you should. You should definitely

1764
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 1: do something though. I mean, you work too hard on

1765
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 1: this book for it for just to be out for

1766
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 1: a few months, just to gather digital dust on your

1767
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: hard drive. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so I appreciate that. I

1768
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 1: mean I was going to ask you if you don't

1769
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 1: mind in like, I'm kind of curious now that you're

1770
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: full time, uh, in your current gig. I mean, like,

1771
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 1: what's your normal day? Like, I'm I'm pretty excited for

1772
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 1: you and what you do now. Yeah. Well, I mean

1773
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing a busy Yeah. I'm doing the the two

1774
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 1: podcasts a week, one for members one or uh you know,

1775
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: the public, and we put it up a week in advance,

1776
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 1: uh for the members. But I'm just booking guests, getting

1777
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 1: in touch with everybody, you know. We just got in

1778
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: touch with Rob O'Neil's people. They'll be coming on and

1779
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 1: setting up for when people in New York to do

1780
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:18,639
Speaker 1: the Facebook live and that type of thing. Uh. Speaking

1781
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 1: with the sponsors that we have for the show that

1782
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,839
Speaker 1: we put on Apple podcasts and all that type of stuff.

1783
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 1: So it's been, uh, you know, keeping busy, but by

1784
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 1: today you're busy coordinating. I am. But at the same time,

1785
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 1: I'll be honest and Jack knows this. It's a lot

1786
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: freer of a schedule from when I was doing this

1787
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 1: along with producing Senator Bill Bradley show End Call screening.

1788
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:44,679
Speaker 1: Wellcal uh, this is this is a nice change of pace. Yeah. Yeah,

1789
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:46,639
Speaker 1: well I can imagine, man, when I was writing full

1790
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 1: time for software. Um, I was, you know, putting in

1791
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 1: thirty four hours a week on that on average, and

1792
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:55,440
Speaker 1: then working at least forty hours a week at my

1793
01:35:55,439 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: my other job. So, um, you can run your ragged Yeah.

1794
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 1: To to Jack and Brandon's credit, they've always treated me

1795
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 1: really fair and when I had to step down into

1796
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:08,719
Speaker 1: more of just like a contribute as you can roll. Um,

1797
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, you guys have always treated me a little

1798
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. Yeah, it's one of the good things.

1799
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: The job has a lot of flexibility. Oh yeah, yeah,

1800
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 1: for any any former software writers that are winers, you

1801
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 1: guys can go pounds and as far as I'm concerned, well, um, yeah,

1802
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: I can. Jack and Brandon take care of us. Oh

1803
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 1: hell yeah. Um. You could follow Nick on Twitter at

1804
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:35,679
Speaker 1: Kaufman and our check out his articles at Nick Coughman.

1805
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 1: You'll see him on softwarep dot com for the members

1806
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 1: out there. And we'll definitely do this again soon. I mean,

1807
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,679
Speaker 1: if you get the book out some way, we should

1808
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: have you back on to talk a little bit more

1809
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 1: in depth about Yeah, definitely, Yeah, that'd be awesome. And

1810
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 1: then if I if I get this whole Sniper Your

1811
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:53,679
Speaker 1: Nation video thing played out, then I'll I'll be happy

1812
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 1: to come back on and talk about that whole story too.

1813
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 1: That's a big one, man, because I remember that being

1814
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 1: blowing up all over the mainstream, and then it also

1815
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 1: sparked a debate of some people being like this is terrible,

1816
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: but I honestly think more people saying, oh, some marines

1817
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 1: pisted on some terrorists bodies, who cares? I mean if

1818
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 1: you factor in that those Marines, like if if you

1819
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 1: think about what they've gone through up to that point

1820
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 1: with their own brothers getting dismembered by Taliban. I mean,

1821
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you compare the two, it

1822
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: may not make it right, but yeah, the guy, they

1823
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:32,480
Speaker 1: definitely shouldn't have done that. But at the same time,

1824
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 1: every time this kind of stuff comes out, it's like

1825
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 1: amazing how naive Americans are about what their soldiers are

1826
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 1: going through in combat. Like there's completely oblivious to it.

1827
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,600
Speaker 1: Like some pictures of like some dead terrorists or or

1828
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: something like that happens every so often get published and

1829
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:50,680
Speaker 1: come out in the media or something like that, and

1830
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 1: people are like shocked by it. It's like, what the

1831
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 1: fund do you think these guys have been doing for

1832
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 1: fifteen years? Yeah, I know, I don't hear about the

1833
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 1: other stories about you know, marines that I'm aware of,

1834
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:06,599
Speaker 1: and elite units that you know, they get captured, they

1835
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 1: get their position, gets overrun because they get you know,

1836
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 1: their their uh you know, requests for evacuation denied. They

1837
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 1: get overrun, get executed and thrown off of a cliff,

1838
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,720
Speaker 1: and uh you know, the American public doesn't even hear

1839
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 1: about that. Honestly though, Nick, the military covers some of

1840
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 1: that stuff up too, because they don't they don't want

1841
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 1: people to know. Yeah, like we we cover up our

1842
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 1: failures quite frankly, sure try Yeah that well, you think

1843
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 1: of like the Pat Tillman thing that was something like

1844
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: that I think also some of the stuff, Um, what

1845
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 1: was it Operation Anaconda, Um, where you had the PJ

1846
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm thrown off the back of the Oh no, was

1847
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 1: it was a deaf group guy who got left behind

1848
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 1: on the mountain and later it turned out he was alive.

1849
01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:59,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just stuff like that that the military

1850
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 1: tries hard to gloss over some of their failures. Yeah,

1851
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: and it's it's amazing how selected they can be about

1852
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:10,520
Speaker 1: going after, you know, certain people for for lesser offenses

1853
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,680
Speaker 1: and different things like that too. Just it hurts my

1854
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: head thinking about it. But hopefully once I get some

1855
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,680
Speaker 1: more info on this three two incident, um, it'll be

1856
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,559
Speaker 1: a little bit more manageable to talk about two. Because

1857
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 1: talking about this Fox Company series and and everything else

1858
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: that I've worked on with Fred, it's I mean, it

1859
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,759
Speaker 1: was just that Fox Company series alone was over twenty

1860
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 1: thousand words, and uh, trying to come on a show

1861
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 1: like this and talk about it, it's, uh, it's hard,

1862
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 1: a little bit intimidating and hard to put into words.

1863
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:41,600
Speaker 1: Oh no, I know. I remember the first episode we

1864
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,640
Speaker 1: would ask Fred one question and it went on it

1865
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:47,639
Speaker 1: wro half an hour. Yeah, and uh, well that guy's

1866
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 1: gotta remember like a steal a trap too. He remembered

1867
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 1: every detail. It's amazing. Yeah, thanks for hoping to stop

1868
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:56,600
Speaker 1: with Van. Well, we'll talk to you soon. They appreciate

1869
01:39:56,640 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 1: you coming on the show. Appreciate it, guys, Thank you. Thanks. Yeah,

1870
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:05,960
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