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Speaker 1: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, I said by Ross jess p Hey boo,

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Speaker 1: it's me Ross, who'd you think it was? I am

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Speaker 1: back talking to John E. L. Tenny for the second

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Speaker 1: half of our recent conversation and this episode today we

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Speaker 1: get some stories. We get a story that is unlike

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Speaker 1: any that we have had even remotely close to yet,

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Speaker 1: and I'm thrilled to you'll know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that later. One thing that we didn't

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Speaker 1: get to was evp's and so I thought I would

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Speaker 1: play them for you in this intro today. I I've

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Speaker 1: been having a lot of fun with EVPs. I was.

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Speaker 1: I made a video on my Patreon Patreon dot com

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Speaker 1: slash raws dres Vales. The video is okay. So in

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Speaker 1: my years of looking at EVPs posted on YouTube, I

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Speaker 1: like I don't I don't wanna like offend any I

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Speaker 1: I don't wanna Sometimes they're just like nasty. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: I made a video that is me listening to some

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Speaker 1: I don't know something like that, I just put it

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Speaker 1: to right now. Right now, we are going to listen

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Speaker 1: to two EVPs that we're posted by Peach twenty five

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Speaker 1: Allegheny Asylum, which is in Western Virginia. I have talked

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Speaker 1: and I believe I've talked about it with Katrina Weidman,

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Speaker 1: This first one was recorded in the doctor's office of

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Speaker 1: the Trans Alleghany Asylum. What's it saying? Okay, Na, Na,

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Speaker 1: gonna let me play it again?

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Speaker 1: What do you think? Is it a Norman calm down?

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Speaker 1: B normal condoms? I don't I don't know.

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Speaker 1: No thanks come again? Or D Norway? Jose? Here we go,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna listen again. They believe it is saying Norman

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Speaker 1: here's another one. This is also same place. I don't

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Speaker 1: I'm in a mom Renee? Is it a forget my mom? Okay? B.

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Speaker 1: Get one more Renee? Or D. I'm feeling real bored today.

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Speaker 1: They believe it says C get one more Renee again.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna get one more, Tenna. We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: There is a full length episode of my new podcast

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Speaker 1: Commercial Free on Patreon. Me looking up spooky things and

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Speaker 1: learning about patroon dot com. Slash rosdres Flees also send

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Speaker 1: me listener stories ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Subject line listener episode with some bullet points. Just give

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Speaker 1: part two with John E. L. Tenny on with the

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Speaker 1: show have you ever heard of the Ada Witch?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: This is from near where I'm from. Uh. It's in Ada, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: which is by Grand Rapids, and there's a what they

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Speaker 1: say is a haunted cemetery where there's another woman in

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Speaker 1: white that you know, you can be seen right on

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Speaker 1: the dark streets and she's one of those like hitchhiker

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Speaker 1: ghosts or whatever that gets in the car and then

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Speaker 1: you turn around and she's gone. And have you ever

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Speaker 1: been there?

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Speaker 3: I haven't, but I always think it's interesting that there

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Speaker 3: are ghost archetypes like women in y and the hitch

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Speaker 3: hiker ghosts or the ghosts of the children who push

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Speaker 3: you off the train tracks so that you don't get,

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Speaker 3: you know, hit by the train. That there seem to

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Speaker 3: be when we're talking about thought forms, there seem to

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Speaker 3: be ideas generated because every state has it, Like every

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Speaker 3: state has a woman in white, every state has a

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Speaker 3: hitchhiker ghost, everybody has like the witch grave where you

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Speaker 3: can go and see the witch. Everybody has these stories

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Speaker 3: and that makes me wonder, like is that something deeper

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Speaker 3: in us that's manifesting like in these locations because kids

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Speaker 3: experience in them, you know, they have experiences, and then

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Speaker 3: do their kids' experiences form the basis. I don't talk

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Speaker 3: about this often because this goes into the terrible beginnings

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Speaker 3: of John, but this is I will admit to it.

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Speaker 3: But there's a very old house in Royal Oak, which

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Speaker 3: is the city that I live in. It's the oldest

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Speaker 3: house there. It's called the Orson Star House. And when

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Speaker 3: it was just an abandoned building, I used to investigate it.

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Speaker 2: I was probably sixteen at the.

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Speaker 3: Time, and at some point nothing ever happened in this house,

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Speaker 3: Like it wasn't scary, it wasn't spooky, there were no ghosts,

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Speaker 3: And at some point, talking to friends and talking to

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Speaker 3: people in the area about investigating this really old house

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Speaker 3: from Royal Loke, I made up the story that there

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Speaker 3: was a ghost dog in the house. I said, there's

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Speaker 3: a ghost dog in the basement and it growled at

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Speaker 3: you and it has red eyes, and I really just

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Speaker 3: sold this story. I was probably again sixteen or seventeen.

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Speaker 3: If you investigate yours in Star House now you'll see

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Speaker 3: a ghost dog exactly how I described it. People have

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Speaker 3: pictures of it. I created a ghost in that house

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Speaker 3: that everybody knows about.

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Speaker 1: Now, oh my god, that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: I mean the first time I saw a picture of it,

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Speaker 3: I was like, what what? Like someone took a picture

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Speaker 3: I think it was in like two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 3: They were like, I saw this ghost dog and you

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Speaker 3: can see like a dark shape with two eyes at

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Speaker 2: And I was like, they're taking pictures of this thing

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Speaker 2: that I made up.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. So that's so cool.

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Speaker 3: The short of that story is, don't pretend and make stuff,

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Speaker 3: because you might make you might make something real, and

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Speaker 3: then it always hurts my heart because then like you've

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Speaker 3: created something that lacks purpose, and that kind of breaks

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Speaker 3: my heart. Like now this thing is going to persist

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Speaker 3: supposed to do. Like that kind of makes me really sad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because I mean when we go back to

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Speaker 1: this idea of all of these types, these ghost types

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Speaker 1: look into it more, there's no proof of it ever

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Speaker 1: really happening. There's no record that that person existed, that

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Speaker 1: there was that train accident there. It just never happened,

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Speaker 1: but yet it still exists.

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Speaker 3: When I bought my house, the house I live in

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Speaker 3: right now, about eleven years ago, everybody in the neighborhood

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Speaker 3: when I was looking at this house, was like, you know,

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Speaker 3: old man Ferns died in that house and his ghost

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Speaker 3: is in that house. And I was like cool. Like

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Speaker 3: for me, I was like, great, that's awesome. And all

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Speaker 3: of the kids in the neighborhood, you know, they remembered

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Speaker 3: when they took his body out of the house. No

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Speaker 3: one knew how long it had sat in the house.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm investigator. This is what I do

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Speaker 3: is I find out the facts about stuff. So after

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Speaker 3: I bought the house, I was like, let's find out

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Speaker 3: what happened here. And the thing was is he had

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Speaker 3: gotten sick one day and then went to a hospice

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Speaker 3: four months later died. He never died in this house.

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Speaker 3: There was no body wheeled out of this house.

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Speaker 2: Like it was.

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Speaker 3: All urban legend, neighborhood gossip, and everybody in the neighborhood

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Speaker 3: was convinced the house was haunted. Now there's a ghost

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Speaker 3: hunter living in their house.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of similar to like the Mandela effect, you

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Speaker 1: know that that whole theory of oh, people remember this happening,

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Speaker 1: and everybody on the internet things that it was, Like

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Speaker 1: what's an example, like.

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Speaker 2: The like the Benstein bear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, isn't it really called something else? But

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Speaker 1: everyone just kept saying it that way, and now we

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Speaker 1: think that that's what it was, and so people go crazy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like kind of that huh yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, long before, so even

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Speaker 3: before the Mandela Effect. One of the issues that was

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Speaker 3: talked about a lot by paranormal researchers and investigators of

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Speaker 3: the supernatural was something that was called transient environment phenomena,

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Speaker 3: which is experienced by tons of people all the time.

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Speaker 3: So most people drive the same route to work back

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Speaker 3: and forth every day for years, or live in the

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Speaker 3: same neighborhood for years. But this thing happened with tap

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Speaker 3: with transient environment phenomena where one day you just notice

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Speaker 3: a building that you've never seen in your entire life.

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Speaker 3: You're like, You're like, I've lived in this neighborhood for

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Speaker 3: ten years, how did I never see this?

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Speaker 2: House that's right there.

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Speaker 3: Or you're driving and you see a barn every day

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Speaker 3: and then one day you drive by a field and

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Speaker 3: there's no barn there anymore. And it seems like reality

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Speaker 3: is kind of not as concrete as we would have

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Speaker 3: it believe it is, but it's more plastic and kind

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Speaker 1: Wait, okay, now I'm thinking of the story, the story

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Speaker 1: with the diner. Can you tell that one?

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Speaker 2: It's a a John Tenny hits.

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Speaker 1: I know your greatest hits and I love them.

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Speaker 3: I went to a paranormal convention in the mid two thousands,

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Speaker 3: and while I was there, in a car accident. So

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Speaker 3: after the convention was over, I had to stay in

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Speaker 3: this It was Decatur, Illinois, so I'm one person in

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Speaker 3: a two hundred room hotel. Like it was the Shining

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Speaker 3: It was crazy. The pool was closed down for winter.

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Speaker 3: There was three feet of snow. I was like Sunday

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Speaker 3: And so he said, oh, you know, if you go

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Speaker 3: out the back of the hotel, there's a little cemetery

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Speaker 3: you have to walk through that, and then there's a

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Speaker 3: little later than I should have, and I started walking

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Speaker 3: there that night and a huge snowstorm, but found the diner,

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Speaker 2: The next day.

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Speaker 3: I stayed in the hotel the day after that. The

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Speaker 3: third night, I went back through the cemetery, through the snowstorm,

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Speaker 3: next day, picked my truck up, and then I was like, well,

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Speaker 3: I get in my car and I start driving around

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Speaker 3: I've been walking to it, so I'm not used to

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Speaker 3: I ask where it's at. He tells me the directions

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Speaker 3: to drive. I drive in his directions and I find

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Speaker 3: a diner. But it's not the one I've been eating at.

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Speaker 3: It's the one that he has been giving me directions to.

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Speaker 3: So I start following as much as I can on

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Speaker 3: the road where I've been walking these past few days,

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Speaker 3: and there's no diner there. It's up like State Park.

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Speaker 3: There's no driveway, there's no diner. There's never been a

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Speaker 3: diner there. I ate twice at a restaurant that doesn't exist.

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Speaker 1: But did you eat ghost food?

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Speaker 3: I the first night I was there, I had hash browns,

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Speaker 3: I had pancakes, hash browns and an omelet.

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Speaker 1: So what is your leading theory of what that is?

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Speaker 1: Is it an alternate dimension? Is it?

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Speaker 3: I think so it's probably an alternate reality that I

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Speaker 3: that somewhere there's an alternate reality where the diner does exist,

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Speaker 3: but I don't, and the people at the diner still

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Speaker 3: talk about that time that weird guy came in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I always love the stories of when like a

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Speaker 1: living person is like the ghost to the ghosts.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Those trip me out.

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Speaker 3: That's why I think if if people who did paranormal

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Speaker 3: research really loved collecting data as much as they say

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Speaker 3: data and compile data a lot better than we do.

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Speaker 3: Like people are at Waverley Hills every single day. We

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Speaker 3: should have huge maps as to like what time of day,

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Speaker 3: have all that data already, but people don't collect that data.

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Speaker 3: I think if we looked back at historically allegedly haunted

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Speaker 3: I think that they in the past might be experiencing

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Speaker 3: that we, in some instances might be investigating ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Whoa Yeah, all of a sudden, you just hear like

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Speaker 1: show your fucking face doom, And then you're like, what.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe like there's an next there's something really violent

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Speaker 3: like kicking the walls and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm just like going like this to them.

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Speaker 1: They're like, oh, I think something just hit me, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what is that? Okay, do you think that

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Speaker 1: trolls are real? I mean, not internet trolls, but like

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Speaker 1: like duen days, like goblins, like I guess those are

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Speaker 1: two different things, but.

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Speaker 3: Like, no, I think they're all kind of probably the

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Speaker 3: same thing, like little supernatural creatures for sure, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think they are for sure.

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Speaker 1: And fairies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't talk about it that much anymore. But

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Speaker 3: there was a gentleman who asked me, I think there's

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Speaker 3: almost six years ago now, there was a gentleman who

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Speaker 3: asked me, after one of my lectures, if I wanted

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Speaker 3: to see an elf, And so I said yes, and

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Speaker 3: And so it was at that point, like I said,

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Speaker 3: He gave me a list of things I had to

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Speaker 3: some of them were easy because I'm vegan, So it

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Speaker 3: was easy for me to do. But then like I

433
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: could only smoke natural tobacco. If I was going to smoke,

434
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 3: I could only like drink I think, whiskey three times

435
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 3: a day. I had to spin around in a circle

436
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: for three days before I saw the elf three times

437
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: a day. I had to touch a plant for three days,

438
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: three times a day. Three days leading up, I had

439
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 3: to have a conversation with a non human animal, just

440
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: like all this stuff I had to do for three

441
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: days before I met the elf. So then I went

442
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: out to his property late at night, fully expecting someone to,

443
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 3: like in a keyboard elf cost doom to jump up

444
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: and stab me in the chest like like like this

445
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 3: is how I go out right like Paradorm rasearcher killed

446
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: by man in elf costume and went out there and

447
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: he started singing, which he said, he said how he

448
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: met the elf and.

449
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 2: Rose. I think I saw a fucking elf.

450
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: Like eleven inches tall, with hoofs, little hands, a little

451
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: flat cat faced but real kind of long, droopy elephant ears,

452
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: deep inset eyes, and a real big fat furry belly clothes.

453
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: Nope, and it looked like it was a living, tangible

454
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: human or you know, you know, living Okay, yes, okay,

455
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: So out do you know requestioned any of this stuff beforehand?

456
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 1: I mean, did this guy? This guy seem credible. I mean,

457
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: he gave you this list of things and you're just like, sure,

458
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: why not?

459
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: So his story was he was an automotive worker in Detroit.

460
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: When he retired, his wife and he had moved into

461
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: the Thumb area of Michigan, she passed away. He started

462
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: walking around out in the woods kind of humming and

463
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: singing to himself when he encountered these creatures that he

464
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: called elves, and he developed a relationship with them and

465
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: seemed like a very normal human individual. And so you know,

466
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: when he asked me if I wanted to do this,

467
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: I said sure. And then after I saw the elf,

468
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: it seemed like it probably I mean, I say probably,

469
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: but it did like it came home with me. I

470
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: think that he gifted it to me, like in the

471
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 3: seeing of it, all of these immensely strange things started

472
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: to happen around my house, so I had to put

473
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: a new roof on my house. I would wake up

474
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: in the morning and shingles would be torn off of

475
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: my house and they'd be laying in the front and

476
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: backyard like something was on my roof trying to rip

477
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: into my house. And then I realized I have this

478
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: force field over my house and it probably couldn't get in,

479
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: and it was frustrated. So I gave it a space

480
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: and made it an offering and then things calmed down

481
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: for a while. But then whenever I would travel, these

482
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: really bizarre synchronicities, you know, would happen, and like the

483
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: first time that I crazy to me. So the first

484
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: time my parents ever sought me lecture was the year

485
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: after I saw the elf, so my parents didn't see

486
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: me speak the majority of my career. They came to

487
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: this lecture event, which was the weekend of my birthday.

488
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: I told the elf story in public for the first

489
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: time to this crowd of people, like two thousand people,

490
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: including my parents. And then when I went and asked

491
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: my parents, I was like, what did you think of?

492
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: You know, what you saw me do? And my dad

493
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: was laughing and he was like, you're gonna love your

494
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: birthday present. And we walked out to the car and

495
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: they had brought me my birthday president was this like

496
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: three foot gnome statue, and I was like, why did

497
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: you buy me this? And they're like, we don't know,

498
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: Like we thought it was really funny. We thought you

499
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: should have like a little gnome or an elf at

500
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: your house. And I was like, like it was just

501
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: it floored me.

502
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: It was crazy.

503
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: By this point, had the elf gone away or was

504
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: it still in your life.

505
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: Oh, it was still in my life, and it was

506
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 3: wreaking a lot of havoc, like it was not a

507
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: great thing. And so eventually I at a certain point,

508
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: so I did caregiving for my mom the last few

509
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: years of her life, and I had this kind of

510
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: spiritual talk with the elf and saying like I can't

511
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: deal with you right now, like whatever you have to

512
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: go away.

513
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: I can't.

514
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: Like I'm taking care of her, I can't take care

515
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: of you. I can't handle your nonsense. And it calmed

516
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 3: down and went away. And three days after I did that,

517
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: I got a phone call from the gentleman who introduced

518
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: me to the alf and he said he called me

519
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: up and he's like hey John, and I was like hello,

520
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: and he goes, so you sent the elf back to

521
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: me And I was like, oh did I? Like that's crazy?

522
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: You knew that, Like it went back to you, Like

523
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: it's crazy. He's like, yeah, I didn't want it anymore.

524
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: He's like, I gave it to you, and now it's

525
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: back at and I was like, yeah, I'm taking care

526
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: of my mom. I can't handle it.

527
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: So, oh my god, that poor ow. It probably like

528
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: came back to the guy's house like he dumped me.

529
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: But so when it was wreaking all this havoc and

530
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: your life, were you seeing it like you were physically

531
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: seeing it? Yes, okay. Interesting.

532
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: The night after I I think it was two days

533
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: actually two days after I saw the elf out in

534
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: the woods with that gentleman, I was at home and

535
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: the first people that I told about the elf were

536
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: Greg and Dana Newkirk, and they were on Skype with

537
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: me at the time. I was sitting in my kitchen

538
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: and I started telling them the story and all of

539
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: the windows in my house started rattling and the doors

540
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: started shaking, and Dana was freaking out, and I was like,

541
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: it's this fucking thing. It's this creature, it's this entity

542
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: trying to get in the house. And they're on Skype

543
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: so they could hear it all happening. And I heard

544
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: this big, huge slam on my front door. So I

545
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: picked up the laptop that I had them on Skype

546
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: with and I was like, come look outside with me.

547
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: So I brought the laptop with me so I didn't

548
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 3: have to go outside by myself, and in the snow

549
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: on my front porch were tiny little hoofprints all over

550
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: the front porch.

551
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: It sounds adorable. There's a part of me that wants one.

552
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: It was troublesome, it was chaotic.

553
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: How do you think that this man figured out the

554
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: whole be vegan and you know, talk to an animal

555
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: like that whole routine.

556
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: So he was in After he met them, he became

557
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: more in tuned to them telepathically, so he spoke with them,

558
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: and they so interesting. Like you know, there's a lot

559
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 3: of this story that I'm kind of not getting into

560
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: just because it gets weirder and deeper. But so like

561
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: the entities, the elves whatever you want to call them,

562
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: could only telepathically when they were talking to him. They

563
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 3: could only use the words that he knew. So he

564
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: started like reading dictionaries and thesauruses to get more words

565
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 3: into his head so they could speak more properly to him,

566
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: so that he would have more words in his head.

567
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 2: And every time he asked them.

568
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: What are you the only word that they ever really

569
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: used in describing themselves was whimsy is how they described themselves.

570
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: That's adorable.

571
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: But they gave him this list of things to do

572
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: if anybody else ever wanted to see what's really strange?

573
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: Too is over the years telling the story, and I

574
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: stopped just because I think, like when I talk about

575
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 3: it too much, that entity knows and wants to get

576
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: involved again. But I would tell people all the time,

577
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: Like if when I told people the story, people started

578
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: coming up to me and saying, like, you know, when

579
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: I was little, I used to sing and I would

580
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: see these little creatures, or you know, I used to

581
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: go out in the woods and I would when I

582
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,959
Speaker 3: was saying, I would see these creatures, I used to hum,

583
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: I used to whistle, and I would see these creatures.

584
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: And so there did.

585
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: Seem to be again kind of archetypes showing up with

586
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 3: other people having these experiences that this gentleman introduced me to.

587
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: We talked the last time about one of my favorite

588
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: things that you've said about. Maybe Lockness is a dinosaur

589
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: in Bigfoot, is what neanderth cave man, And so could

590
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: that be it's a ghost of something I don't know what,

591
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: but sure type of human or I don't know. Sure.

592
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 3: I also think too, you know, for as much as

593
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: it could be, you know, the ghost of something that

594
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 3: doesn't exist anymore. I mean, I do like to imagine

595
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: that it's kind of whether we call them fay or

596
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: faery or folks or trolls or gnomes or elves, whatever

597
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: we call them. I like to think that nature takes

598
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: on personalities and like has little component parts of itself

599
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 3: as much as I like to. You know, I went

600
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 3: to a monster truck rally a couple of weeks ago

601
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: and dressed up as like civilian Tenny. I wore a

602
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: baseball hat and you know, a puffy jacket and stuff.

603
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 3: But that was just an aspect of me coming out,

604
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: And so I feel like these creatures might just be

605
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: aspects of nature coming out.

606
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, drag n Nature's drag. Mother Nature is a drag queen.

607
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: Did you see that article recently about a mermaid. No,

608
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: they think that they found a three hundred year old mermaid.

609
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: And this was not just like in world news or

610
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: what was that?

611
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: What was that news?

612
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: Yes, it wasn't like that. I just I still have

613
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: such a vision of being at Meyer grocery store and

614
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: seeing one of those with like a man finds a

615
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: mermaid in his tuna and he's like holding.

616
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: It right.

617
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: Bat boy, Yes, of course, but no, it wasn't that.

618
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: It's they claim that they found a mom of five

619
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: Mermaid and they're doing tests on it at a university

620
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: right now. I was thinking it might be an old

621
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: side show, like I know that they used to do those,

622
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: you know, But I.

623
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 3: Think it's going to be harder and harder for us

624
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 3: and people in the future to figure out what was

625
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: going on. We have such great ways to fake things

626
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 3: right now that people twenty years from now are screwed

627
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: like trying to figure stuff out. We know how to

628
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: age stuff. You can go on YouTube right now. I mean,

629
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: I used to do furniture refinishing, and so I used

630
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 3: to have to make new wood look like one hundred

631
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 3: year old wood to match a part of a table

632
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: or of chair, and I could do it perfectly, like

633
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: you wouldn't be able to tell, and like you can

634
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: just learn how to do that on YouTube now. But

635
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: people learning how to age things and construct mummies, like,

636
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure that it's going to make it very difficult.

637
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the Cosplayer thing too. Yeah, do you

638
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: think demons are real? What do you think about that?

639
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's obviously a religious thing a

640
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: lot of time, but.

641
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 3: They're popular, right, They make a lot of clicks and

642
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 3: they get a lot of television shows.

643
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: I think movie tickets.

644
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that.

645
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: When it comes to demons, I wrote an article a

646
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: long time ago called the like the demon of judgment,

647
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 3: And I think that people jump too quickly to demons

648
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: when they don't understand something, literally demonizing it, turning it

649
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 3: into something that they think is evil.

650
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: Right, And you know, I don't know.

651
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: Some concepts I hit on at my lectures and they

652
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 3: sound pretty good to me, so I use them, and

653
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 3: I don't know. For the past twenty twenty five years,

654
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: I've told people, you know, if you were invisible in

655
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: a house, if you were a ghost in a house,

656
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: and you were there and couldn't leave for some reason,

657
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 3: and you were there for a year by yourself, five years,

658
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 3: ten years, fifty years, one hundred years, like you might

659
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: become bitter over that time, Like you might change into

660
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: a nastiest person. And even if you didn't, if you

661
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: finally manifested up enough energy to form your fingers to

662
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 3: reach out and touch someone and you accidentally scratched them

663
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: or pulled their hair, like the person's reactions like something

664
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: attacked me, right, and you were like, no, I was

665
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 3: trying to say hello, sorry, Right, I think personally, Like

666
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: on my journey and thinking about all of this stuff,

667
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: I think that the most demonic things that we encounter

668
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: every day are human beings, like someone that's making money

669
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: off of your fear. Someone who's making money off of

670
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: keeping you in fear. That is demonic to me, not

671
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: someone who is reaching out from the other side I have.

672
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 3: As a human being dealing with other human beings, I

673
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: have difficulties understanding people's personal motivations. And that's with someone

674
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: I can see and hear sitting across. For me, when

675
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: I'm dealing with invisible denizens of some nether realm, I

676
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: have very little to go on what their means and

677
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: motivation are, and so for me to just demonize them,

678
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: I feel as a disservice to them.

679
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: It was just looking into demonic possession and all of

680
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: that stuff. And I still don't know where I'm at

681
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 1: on that.

682
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: I saw an exorcism. Have we ever talked about that?

683
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: I can't remember if you told me those or if

684
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: I heard you say this someplace.

685
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: In ninety nine, I got the Archdiocese of Detroit let

686
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: me sit in on a Vatican sponsor third exorcism.

687
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: Oh my God? And did that inform your opinion of

688
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: the existence of demons or how did that contribute to that.

689
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 3: It showed me that I don't understand what's going on.

690
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 3: It's just another reinforcing segment of like, no one has

691
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 3: a clue of what's going on. Because the things that

692
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: I was told through that religious belief system was, you know,

693
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: I can sit here for days and say, like I

694
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 3: wish a demon would come into me, Like a demon's

695
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: not going to come into me. I don't have any

696
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 3: want or need of it. I'm not putting it into action.

697
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 3: I'm not working to become possessed. You can't just say

698
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: I want a demon in me and a demon jumps

699
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 3: inside you like that's they told me. That's not how

700
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: it works. The person who was possessed that they were

701
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: doing the exorcism one had worked lived a life to

702
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: become possessed by a demon, and once they were possessed,

703
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: obviously it wasn't what they wanted, you know, and their

704
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: life had gone in a different direction. Excuse me, but

705
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: watching the experience, really, you know, there was nothing that

706
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: I saw that I couldn't find a valid reason why

707
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: it happened. Like the client started speaking Mandarin, right but

708
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: I can somehow in some part of my brain say

709
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: maybe one time. You know, everything that we see, everything

710
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: that we hear, is recorded in our brain. We just

711
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 3: don't have access to it. So maybe at some point

712
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: they had watched a movie in Mandarin, and so that

713
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: Mandarin language was somewhere hidden in their brain and they

714
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: brought it up at this time, and that's why they

715
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: started speaking Mandarin. Those type of things like, I can

716
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: talk it away. But I think what informed me the

717
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: most was when he did start speaking Mandarin. The assisting

718
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: priest went to the door of the room and there

719
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: were people outside that would get you anything you wanted

720
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 3: during the exorcism, and he requested someone who spoke Mandarin.

721
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: So they brought in a Buddhist monk into the room

722
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: who spoke Mandarin. I don't know where they got him from.

723
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: This was in rural northern Michigan. You'd be hard pressed

724
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 3: to find a Buddhist monk in rural northern Michigan, but

725
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 3: they found him. It's the Vatican, so I assume they

726
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: can do anything. But the Buddhist monk assisted with the

727
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 3: Catholic exorcism until the end of the exorcism, and then

728
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: in this breakdown session at the end where we were

729
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: all kind of sitting around, not the client. The client

730
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: was in this kind of recovery, but I'm sitting there

731
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 3: with the two priests and the Buddhist monk and a

732
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 3: couple of church officials and myself, and I asked, don't

733
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: you think it's weird that you had a Buddhist monk

734
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: helping with a Catholic exorcism? And they all kind of

735
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 3: did weird smiles and snickers, and the main priest who

736
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 3: was in charge of the exorcism, looked at me and

737
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 3: very casually said, if you don't think the major religions

738
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: of the world understand that there's only one force in

739
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 3: the universe, then you're wrong. And I was really taken

740
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: aback by that, and I said, well, why don't you

741
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: tell that to people? And they were like, no one

742
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 3: would believe us, Like there's too much money, there's too

743
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 3: much power, and there's too much separation built in, generational

744
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: separation built and no one would believe us if we

745
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: started saying that. That informed me more than are their demons.

746
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: It informed me into how human beings are so separate

747
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 3: and in their own bubbles and how and why we

748
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: can't get along.

749
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: It's like one big high school and there's all the

750
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: different clicks or something. You know. Did you see other

751
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: activity during this exorcism that I mean, so you did

752
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: kind of say this, But.

753
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: I saw the client, you know, their body when in

754
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: I'm not a physiologist.

755
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 2: I don't know that much about the human body.

756
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 3: But did things that I thought would probably be harmful

757
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: to the human body.

758
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: The way that the arms.

759
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: And legs bent and moved, and seeing you know, rashes

760
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: appear and disappear, you know, not over the course of hours,

761
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 3: but in the course of minutes, eye color changes, things

762
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 3: like that. Things that I mean, there are probably physiological

763
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: triggers for that. You could say happened because of this

764
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: reason or that reason, or stressors or whatever. But it

765
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: was when I saw it was just mind blowing.

766
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: But after this was performed, did that person did all

767
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: that stuff stop?

768
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: Yes?

769
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean that's pretty that's something.

770
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the client, I this is probably now.

771
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 3: I don't know when Hurricane Katrina was. I can't remember

772
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 3: what hear that was. Was that like two thousand five

773
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: or six maybe something like that. No way, I had

774
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: reached out to the archdiocese to find out what had

775
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: happened to the client. They told me I was never

776
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: going to know, but I you know, I'm a researcher

777
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 3: and I like to dig around. And I just made

778
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 3: a phone call and they actually informed me that the

779
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: client had died. But the client had died helping people

780
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 3: during Hurricane Katrina was caught in a was carrying someone's

781
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: stuff across this little like river and they got grabbed

782
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: by the undertow and pulled over. And I was like oh.

783
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: And then I said to the archdy. I was like, well,

784
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 3: what do you think that means?

785
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 2: Whatever?

786
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: And they were like no, you don't understand. Like that

787
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: person died in service to other people, Like that was

788
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 3: such a radical change from what that person had been

789
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 3: previous in their life.

790
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: Like that wasn't a demon. That was just you know,

791
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 2: the world taking effect, and.

792
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: This person was like calling on dark forces to get inside.

793
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: Yes.

794
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: Wow.

795
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: For years.

796
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just reading this book. Maybe you've heard

797
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: of it. It's by the psychiatrist at Wait psychiatrist or psychologists.

798
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: His name is like doctor Richard Gallagher, and he's like

799
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: very credible, like Yale Harvard teaches like all these things,

800
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: and he specializes in demonic possession. You know, he studies

801
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: this stuff and you know he can say what is

802
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: mental illness and what is not. And he was talking

803
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: in the book about that same thing that he encounters

804
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: pretty much people that are looking for it. Yes, that

805
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: just seems to be it's not just you know, some

806
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: teenage girl just one day. It just happens like it's

807
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: like it's typically somebody calling on darkness or what they

808
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: believe to be demons.

809
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: Or yeah, even you know, doing this. As long as

810
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: I've done this, I've run into so many people who

811
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: have been like, oh, I think you know I was

812
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 3: possessed by a demon because I played with Ohisia board

813
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: or I went on a ghost hon or like and

814
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 3: I always try and tell them like, but your intention

815
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: wasn't to be possessed by a demon like it would be.

816
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: You know, everything that I've read, everything that I've talked about, Like,

817
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: you know, first of all, there are different types of possession.

818
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 3: You can have things like repression, which is where you

819
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: know a demon is trying to keep you down, it's

820
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: not actually in you or doing anything, and aggression, where

821
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: it's tearing stuff up in your house and you know

822
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 3: it's still not in you. Possession is you know, obviously

823
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: it's possessed you as a person. But again, I think

824
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: it's interesting that we've created all of these terms because

825
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 3: like what one person might be like, oh, this is

826
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: you know, aggression, demonic aggression, like it's throwing things around

827
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 3: your house. Another person might be like, oh, that's a poltergeist,

828
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 3: like just throwing things.

829
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: It's just a noisy ghost.

830
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: Like.

831
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 3: The thing that changes in all the scenarios are the

832
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: persons the perceptions of the world. You know, I live

833
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: just outside of you know, twelve or thirteen hours away

834
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 3: from Dearborn, which has one of the highest populations of

835
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 3: Middle Eastern people outside of the Middle East, and for

836
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 3: the past thirty years, when I go to that neighborhood

837
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: to do any kind of investigation, I'm not dealing with ghosts.

838
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: I'm dealing with jin But if that person in that

839
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 3: house was somewhere else, it would be a ghost. Like

840
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: we're just calling things terms based upon our own perceptions

841
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: of reality.

842
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: Right, That's when I just get to a point where

843
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, what if it's all true, It's just different

844
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: for different people.

845
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it's very personal. I think these

846
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: experiences are individualized to us. I think that's why they're

847
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: so hard to collect information and data for. I don't

848
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 3: think that they're always reproducible. I think that they're meant

849
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: to aid us in our journeys, and so they're individualized

850
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: to us. And yes, they might share some aspects, which

851
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: is what we talk about. But at the end of

852
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: the day, and I've said this at many lectures and

853
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 3: on many at the end of the day, if there's

854
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: no such thing as ghosts, if there's no such thing

855
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 3: as UFO's psychic powers, bigfoot monsters, elves, whatever you want

856
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 3: to say, if it's all just a means and motivation

857
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: for us to talk to each other about the things

858
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 3: that we think about, then it's still vastly important.

859
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great closing statement. I feel like we

860
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: should probably end because it's been a while that we've

861
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: been talking here, and you've given us the goods.

862
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: I hope that there's something in there you can use.

863
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: Oh it's so good. Thank you so much. Do you

864
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: want to tell people you know where to find you

865
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: and what you got going on and all that stuff.

866
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 3: Sure, all of my social media is John E. L. Tenny,

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Speaker 3: that's Twitter, Instagram to talk all that stuff, and then

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Speaker 3: I do a podcast once a week with my friend

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Speaker 3: a telephone call that I tape between her and I.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes we talk about ghosts. Sometimes we talk about

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Speaker 3: Love is Blind two. Sometimes we talk about nine O

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Speaker 3: two one oh. Sometimes we talk about UFOs. You never

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I love it. It's it's it's fun to

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Speaker 1: listen to two friends having a good time and being

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Speaker 1: their authentic selves with each other. And it's just like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of do feel like I'm like

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Speaker 1: I tap somebody's phone. But it's fun, you guys, a

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Speaker 1: funny Yeah, people should check it out. Well, I guess

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Speaker 1: that's it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. It's always a joy. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I talk too much.

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Speaker 1: I ask for it. I want you to talk and

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Speaker 1: it's you. It's not like you're talking about a bunch

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Speaker 1: of stupid stuff. It's great. It's really it's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: And this is our first time having a troll story

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Speaker 1: of some or whatever that was elf Elf story. Elvis

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Speaker 1: some good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Here may see the haunted head.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time I have seen a haunted

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Speaker 1: wighead during one of these So thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Thank you so much to John E. L. Tenny.

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Speaker 1: What a gem. I hope to have many many conversations

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Speaker 1: with him. He is so great. And go listen to

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Speaker 1: his podcast. Go check out a lecture of his if

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Speaker 1: ever you get the chance, because we can all learn

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Speaker 1: a lot from John E. L. Tenny. And follow him

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Speaker 1: If you like me but you don't want to see

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Speaker 1: be talking to you guys next week. I love you all,

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