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Speaker 4: I just one quick housekeeping matter.
Speaker 6: I believe that our podcast is available everywhere you get
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Speaker 6: wanted to correct the record on that.
Speaker 1: I'm Angela Rye, I'm timmany Kron, and.
Speaker 5: I'm Andrew Gillam. Good to meet y'all, and it's good
Speaker 5: to do with you.
Speaker 4: Let me find out Andrew d fans in Texas.
Speaker 5: I love No No.
Speaker 4: That was the culmination applause for the.
Speaker 5: Three that y'all can see read.
Speaker 3: Don't have Bacari Sellers with us, who is our newest
Speaker 3: fourth host. He is actually wrapping up trial and was
Speaker 3: trying to get out on time. And government shutdowns can
Speaker 3: be real effective when you relate to the airport, so
Speaker 3: he will hopefully go in the next flight we'll get
Speaker 3: a chance. But we're extremely proud to have Bacari Sellers
Speaker 3: from CNN and just turning in South Carolina join us
Speaker 3: as the fourth host of the Native Lamplot Family.
Speaker 6: And he got the nerve to call himself Beyonce, but
Speaker 6: shout out to Beyonce while we were in Houston. That's Bacari,
Speaker 6: that does that, not Andrew. So I want to just
Speaker 6: get into a little bit of why we started this show,
Speaker 6: the importance of it right now, in particular, how many
Speaker 6: of you all have listened to the show.
Speaker 4: We can see you a little bit, all right, Okay, Well.
Speaker 1: Tiffany, if you would, would you please tell us why
Speaker 1: we named the show Native Land Pod.
Speaker 4: This is Angela's ideas.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm asked answering, but we get
Speaker 1: this question a lot and we talk about it on
Speaker 1: our podcast. But Angela were all in a group chat
Speaker 1: and Angela said, well, we were trying to think of
Speaker 1: a name.
Speaker 4: She said, what do you all think about Native Land?
Speaker 1: And it's because it is the last stanza of our
Speaker 1: national anthem, the Black national anthem, True to our God,
Speaker 1: True to our Native Land.
Speaker 4: So that's where the name.
Speaker 1: Comes from, but it feels more timely, especially now, as
Speaker 1: no matter how they try to make us feel, this
Speaker 1: is our home, this is the country we built. So
Speaker 1: at this time, many of us feel homeless in terms
Speaker 1: of where we get information from the spaces where we
Speaker 1: can gather in safety, where you can have reliable, vetted,
Speaker 1: trusted information and discussions that reflect the discussions you all
Speaker 1: are having in your group, chats at Brunt's tables and
Speaker 1: book clubs and barbershop wherever you all gather. So that's
Speaker 1: really the mission of Native Lampod, and we drop every Thursday,
Speaker 1: but there are also solo pods, mini pods. Angela hosts
Speaker 1: her show, Bakari and Andrew are actually recording a show
Speaker 1: without us. They kicked the girls out, so they're recording
Speaker 1: a show without us tomorrow. So pretty much every day
Speaker 1: of the week you can find something from Native lamp Pod.
Speaker 1: And I'm so thrilled that John said, y'all listen, that
Speaker 1: warms our heart. We say welcome home for a reason.
Speaker 3: Can I also just say on the on the Native
Speaker 3: Land selection, we did hear from our indigenous brothers and
Speaker 3: sisters who wanted to understand the interplay of the use
Speaker 3: of the word native with their position here as the
Speaker 3: native peoples of this land, and of course as black folks.
Speaker 3: Wherever we've been, either by force or by choice, we've
Speaker 3: had to figure out ways, maneuver ways to make a
Speaker 3: place ours and to adopt it as fully as we can.
Speaker 3: And so to Tiffany's point about this political moment where
Speaker 3: you feel homeless on so many fronts, I think ours
Speaker 3: is a community that has always demonstrated that we can
Speaker 3: make home, whether again by choice, wherever it is that
Speaker 3: we are, and so that reference to the Stanza is
Speaker 3: important grounding for why it is Native Land was our
Speaker 3: choice when we say welcome home, because we want you
Speaker 3: to know that at least with us, and Pacari when
Speaker 3: he you know with us, I'm joking that you're at
Speaker 3: home and that we can be open, free and fully
Speaker 3: disclosing with each other.
Speaker 4: And speaking of home, I know we are here at
Speaker 4: Afro Tech.
Speaker 6: This conreerce has been doing the work of the Lord
Speaker 6: for many, many years, and I just I want to
Speaker 6: shout out the founder of Blavity, Morgan Debond. Shout out
Speaker 6: to her for creating this amazing space and our full
Speaker 6: team y'all give it up for them.
Speaker 4: They're doing really good work.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I want to stay here for a moment
Speaker 6: just on home, because there are gatherings like this where
Speaker 6: black people come no matter what, it's a head nod,
Speaker 6: it's a piece, it's a girl, your outfit is fly,
Speaker 6: and we really need that in this moment in particular, right,
Speaker 6: I think when we think about.
Speaker 4: Home, when we think of I didn't even mean.
Speaker 6: To do that, but when we think of it, we've
Speaker 6: got to remember that we've got to create spaces to
Speaker 6: belong and the places that we cultivated. I think, particularly
Speaker 6: around and after the killing of George Floyd, it felt
Speaker 6: like there was going to be a tie change, that
Speaker 6: things were going to finally start to shift. In corporate
Speaker 6: I know many of the corporations here are recruiting, but
Speaker 6: so many of these organizations have also dialed back some
Speaker 6: of their efforts.
Speaker 4: Can we talk about why it's important for.
Speaker 6: Black entrepreneurs with our problem solving selves to figure out
Speaker 6: how to meet and bridge that gap, because there is one,
Speaker 6: and it's.
Speaker 5: Growing indeed, And just that's a perfect question, Angela.
Speaker 3: I don't want to mention the audience we're actually I
Speaker 3: think circulate, Mike spent a couple of moments. We actually
Speaker 3: want to bring you into the conversation because we oftentimes
Speaker 3: spend a lot of time on our show, of course
Speaker 3: telling you what we think, but we want to hear
Speaker 3: what you think, what your lived experience is saying. And
Speaker 3: then how do we, as folks who talk a lot
Speaker 3: on these issues, helped to meet the moment through your
Speaker 3: perspective and Angela, you know, we have asked a number
Speaker 3: of corporate folks who are sort of with us in
Speaker 3: supporting the show whether or not they have felt pressure
Speaker 3: within their corporate environments to either lessen the emphasis on diversity,
Speaker 3: equity and inclusion as one example, or whether or not
Speaker 3: they felt internally supported and that the mission was not
Speaker 3: one that was born of a moment, that existed and
Speaker 3: lived only in that moment, but that it's part of
Speaker 3: the lifeblood of a corporation, an organization that runs through
Speaker 3: the bloodstream of it, and not as an appendance. And
Speaker 3: we're lucky with some of our corporate partners that it
Speaker 3: does run through the fiber of the organization, but a
Speaker 3: lot of other places is y'all know probably better than us,
Speaker 3: you know, not involgue to say DEI a lot of times,
Speaker 3: or the definition or the attempt to redefine the definition
Speaker 3: of didn't even earn It is one that unfortunately even
Speaker 3: supporters of diversity have allowed to co opt its meaning.
Speaker 3: And the reason why I still sort of lean into
Speaker 3: the use of the term DEDI is that I think.
Speaker 5: We ought to be proud and unapologetic about the fact
Speaker 5: that corporations, the country.
Speaker 3: The world does better with a collection of diverse ideas
Speaker 3: that reflect the diversity of lived experiences that enrich whatever
Speaker 3: the outcome is, makes it more marketable and profitable, and
Speaker 3: we all come.
Speaker 5: Up versus the really simplistic.
Speaker 3: Myopic, racist intention that I think comes from the redefinition
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: I just want to take time and talk to some
Speaker 1: of the startups here because I definitely understand the frustration
Speaker 1: around that, because even pre George Floyd, we've had a
Speaker 1: hard time in raising funds. I of course try to
Speaker 1: start a newsroom startup that and I was met with
Speaker 1: a very unfriendly, unreceptive environment. I launched at the same
Speaker 1: time as an outlet, the Skim, which was run by
Speaker 1: two women who don't look like me.
Speaker 4: I launched at the same time as.
Speaker 1: Axios which is a political daily group of newsletter launched
Speaker 1: by a bunch of men who don't look like me.
Speaker 1: And I would go into some of these places like
Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you all can relate, and I
Speaker 1: would have to one define my humanity and second defend it,
Speaker 1: and then define my intellect and then second defend it.
Speaker 1: People would ask me, someone in half my age would
Speaker 1: ask me to present the problem, and the problem was,
Speaker 1: of course, there was not enough reliable information reaching people
Speaker 1: who look like us. Mind you, this was twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: and this is a time when the Russian government was
Speaker 1: interfering with news and information. They spent thirty seconds here
Speaker 1: and said, oh, I know how we can interfere. They
Speaker 1: don't treat black folks so well there, so let's start
Speaker 1: flooding the zone with that. And people would ask me
Speaker 1: if pepper me with questions and the conclusion was constantly, well,
Speaker 1: black and brown people don't really care about news. How
Speaker 1: are you going to prove this business model? Meanwhile, we
Speaker 1: had unique one hundred thousand daily readers. The skim axios
Speaker 1: they didn't have They had a concept and launched with
Speaker 1: six and seven figure jobs or six and seven figure
Speaker 1: platforms and so there was a study done by Rate
Speaker 1: my Investor, which I'm sure you all may be familiar with,
Speaker 1: at the lack of opportunity that black women get in investing,
Speaker 1: and in twenty sixteen, the lack of opportunity that we
Speaker 1: got cost America, not just us, but America billions of
Speaker 1: dollars in commerce and millions of jobs.
Speaker 4: So it's more we're denied.
Speaker 1: We cut our nose off to spite our face in
Speaker 1: this country, and we see how that's gone ten years later,
Speaker 1: where there's still a dearth of information that does not
Speaker 1: reach us. And so that's the moment that Native Land
Speaker 1: tries to meet every week. When we launched, we were
Speaker 1: the number one downloaded podcast in every single category across
Speaker 1: every space on Apple News, and that's because of you all.
Speaker 1: So it's important that we have your support, but we
Speaker 1: also want to make sure that we're supporting you, and
Speaker 1: that's why we want to hear from you as well
Speaker 1: as we see our own testimony.
Speaker 6: And to that point, there is a floating mic, and
Speaker 6: so if you have a question, please make sure you
Speaker 6: stand or comment. Please make sure you stand and stay
Speaker 6: your name and where you're from. I will say quickly
Speaker 6: while we're waiting for this. First comment is we also
Speaker 6: are in a startup space. Tiff definitely blazed the trail.
Speaker 1: But I want to know we focus group sometimes how
Speaker 1: many of you all run your own company, start or
Speaker 1: you're a startup.
Speaker 6: There's a few hands, Oh, there's a good number of hands.
Speaker 6: And then how many of you all are podcasters?
Speaker 4: Okay, good number of hands too.
Speaker 6: The reason why I'm asking that is because I think
Speaker 6: that people don't always understand this is a grind like
Speaker 6: at our big age.
Speaker 4: We are grinding for real? Is it is like another startup?
Speaker 5: Give a big age.
Speaker 3: Somebody just celebrated a big one two days ago, happy birthday.
Speaker 4: Well I turned forty six. But I don't look at
Speaker 4: praise the lower neither do y'all? Do we have a question?
Speaker 4: I thought somebody I was just showing where the mic is?
Speaker 4: Is that a drunk?
Speaker 5: The mic is over here to.
Speaker 6: Okay, hey ya, okay, how you doing?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 5: We got a hand right here.
Speaker 4: It needs some new oil. Nothing is loud.
Speaker 5: It's a distraction.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, state your name where you're from.
Speaker 7: He's got a podcast, Indiana's own Dana Black are Jana? Yeah,
Speaker 7: what's happening now? Nicole told me to tell you how Yes,
Speaker 7: I am also a podcaster. Tiffany, you on me spades game?
Speaker 5: You know that? Right?
Speaker 8: Okay say the word okay now.
Speaker 7: One of the things I struggle with I am okay
Speaker 7: with my podcast because it's just me controlling it. One
Speaker 7: of the efforts that I have been trying to put
Speaker 7: together is having a podcast where young people are talking
Speaker 7: to young people and everyone talks about they're really interested
Speaker 7: in doing the thing. But then when I try to
Speaker 7: pull the meeting together to get the action moving, it's
Speaker 7: very difficult to get them to sit down for thirty
Speaker 7: minutes with me to do the what is the concept?
Speaker 4: What are we going to do?
Speaker 5: At fifty five?
Speaker 7: I can't do the conversation to young people.
Speaker 4: I need them to do this.
Speaker 7: How do you manage to bring the ideas together and
Speaker 7: get them flowing in the right direction?
Speaker 6: We fight, we fight, We don't see anything the same.
Speaker 6: And I think that's one of the big misnombers about
Speaker 6: the show.
Speaker 4: There's a huge.
Speaker 6: Mythod It's like, oh, they're in an echo chamber. Ain't
Speaker 6: nobody echoing in here?
Speaker 1: And so I think the main thing is you have
Speaker 1: to be willing to come to the table with your
Speaker 1: thing and say this is the thing I know we
Speaker 1: should be talking about.
Speaker 4: I feel it in my gut.
Speaker 6: One thing I love about our dynamic is if there's
Speaker 6: anything that we all are some one person feels strongly about,
Speaker 6: we yield. But they're also times where we don't yield.
Speaker 6: You don't want to talk about any of those times.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think I think that is a good example.
Speaker 1: Though we all have a different idea about approaches to
Speaker 1: the problem, so again, our conversations reflect the same conversations
Speaker 1: that you guys are having. We all live in service
Speaker 1: to the liberation of our people, but there are different
Speaker 1: ideas about how to get there. There are many times
Speaker 1: that I could reference, but I'll say more generally, I
Speaker 1: think Angela, you're in a space where you want to
Speaker 1: reach everyone you even people who I think are Sometimes
Speaker 1: we're trying to be careful.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be.
Speaker 1: Polite because I think sometimes people are nasty in their
Speaker 1: discord and disrespectful to all of us, but sometimes to Angela,
Speaker 1: and Angela sets ego aside and will go to that
Speaker 1: group of people and say, here's what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 1: and I invite you all to the conversation.
Speaker 4: I think Andrew, sometimes.
Speaker 1: You're y'all might see a fight right now, but I
Speaker 1: think sometimes you're an institutionalist, like you believe like no
Speaker 1: our government functions for this reason, and this is why
Speaker 1: we have to participate. I think, you know, sometimes I
Speaker 1: am really focused on informing folks, and so if people
Speaker 1: don't want to receive that information, I'm like deuces, I
Speaker 1: can't force some down your throat if you.
Speaker 4: Don't want it.
Speaker 1: And so if we're all coming at that from a
Speaker 1: different perspective, hopefully we are reaching everybody, even people who
Speaker 1: disagree with us. If there are people in an audience
Speaker 1: right now, is like I walk all the time, and
Speaker 1: people are like, I didn't like when you said or
Speaker 1: gird love when you said, you tell Andrew blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: or I kind of agree with Angela at this point,
Speaker 1: I didn't agree with you, or I agree with you,
Speaker 1: I didn't agree with Angela. And we invite those conversations
Speaker 1: because a healthy exchange of intellectual ideas and ideology is
Speaker 1: the only way we are going to see our way
Speaker 1: out of this four hundred year nightmare that we have
Speaker 1: somehow kept surviving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Dana's out of Indiana, and I know
Speaker 3: the spaces all around this country don't always make themselves
Speaker 3: warming to new ideas and disruption to media in the market.
Speaker 3: Your point specifically about young people.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think not for just young people.
Speaker 3: I think in general, we're living at a time where
Speaker 3: people want sort of the unpolished and the not necessarily
Speaker 3: presentation ready version of things.
Speaker 5: They want, How is it like? What does it really
Speaker 5: look like?
Speaker 3: In fact way, we negotiate that each week, from topic to topic,
Speaker 3: we have a pre call with each other, and once
Speaker 3: each of us are done pitching to each other what
Speaker 3: we would like to talk about, we oftentimes cut the
Speaker 3: conversation like we don't want to pie, don't say what
Speaker 3: you really think, don't you know, don't do it here.
Speaker 3: Let's do it when we're on the mic, so that
Speaker 3: folks are truly welcomed into what the discourse is between
Speaker 3: why a thing or why not a thing?
Speaker 6: Andrew, we just got in trouble. We got to shorten
Speaker 6: our response. I've done a lot of questions. That's it, okay, authors,
Speaker 6: I have a question.
Speaker 9: I'm right here, hey, friends, I I'm a Tiffany. I'm
Speaker 9: Tiffany here is here from Houston. So my question for
Speaker 9: you all is, I'm a mom and I have a
Speaker 9: great community of children, none of which who like Trump.
Speaker 9: But I want to frame I want to help them
Speaker 9: frame the conversation in a way where they're not distrustful
Speaker 9: and disliking of all the things, like I want them informed.
Speaker 9: So how you know, and you guys all have three
Speaker 9: very different perspectives, But what's the best way to help
Speaker 9: young people frame the moment that we're in To help
Speaker 9: empower them in a more proactive way as opposed to
Speaker 9: a more reactive or hate or anything else that's happening.
Speaker 9: I like, I want to empower them to feel like, yes,
Speaker 9: this is a bad moment, but it's not the end
Speaker 9: of the moment.
Speaker 6: I one of the things that I point to, and
Speaker 6: we'll even give you this example right now. You know,
Speaker 6: for twenty four additional states, SNAP benefits are expected to
Speaker 6: run out on November first, right before the holidays.
Speaker 4: And one of the things that I'm so grateful I.
Speaker 6: Shifted inadvertently my algorithm to see are the number of
Speaker 6: ways in which black folks are coming together to meet
Speaker 6: the needs of hungry kids and families all over this country.
Speaker 4: So one thing that we know.
Speaker 6: Is that when we all just do a little bit,
Speaker 6: we can change the equation.
Speaker 4: We can absolutely change the way this is played.
Speaker 1: Should we be able to rely on our government after
Speaker 1: everything that we've given to our government?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, But can we rely on our government? It's something
Speaker 6: entirely different.
Speaker 1: And I think that if we accept what we don't
Speaker 1: want to, which is that we may not be able to,
Speaker 1: but we have everything we need, and God, we thank you,
Speaker 1: we can make it.
Speaker 4: So the short answer is we all we got Andrew.
Speaker 3: Agreed, and I'll just say the beauty of history is
Speaker 3: that oftentimes it tells.
Speaker 5: A story of what we've overcome.
Speaker 3: When we think about the Montgomery US Boycott, they didn't
Speaker 3: start with the intention of being in protest.
Speaker 5: For over a year.
Speaker 3: They started believing they were going to protest for a day,
Speaker 3: and then they met that evening and decided they were
Speaker 3: going to keep the protest for the next day.
Speaker 5: And they met again that evening and.
Speaker 3: Decided they were going to keep the protest going until
Speaker 3: they broke the wheel of the system. So history's important,
Speaker 3: particularly for young folks, in that Yeah, this may be
Speaker 3: the moment we're in right now, but it hasn't always
Speaker 3: been this way and didn't always have to be this way,
Speaker 3: and I think we ought to lean more on the
Speaker 3: examples that I think show a path that we can overcome,
Speaker 3: and we do overcome.
Speaker 5: The question.
Speaker 8: Hi Carla, Hi, my name is carloil Maris and this
Speaker 8: is a podcast the congratulations to you guys.
Speaker 4: My question is I have a company.
Speaker 8: It's a production company for podcast since twenty seventeen, and
Speaker 8: I've always focused only on black and round voices to
Speaker 8: amplify them. When I came into space, it was a
Speaker 8: very white space.
Speaker 4: It still is.
Speaker 8: So my question to you is a lot of people
Speaker 8: come into the space.
Speaker 4: It's demanding.
Speaker 8: Podcasting is fun, you're looking at it, you're enjoying native
Speaker 8: Land multiple times a week. But then I see everyone
Speaker 8: putting their hands up. They want to do it or
Speaker 8: they're in it. But you get tired and you get
Speaker 8: burnt out, and if you have co hosts, there could
Speaker 8: be you.
Speaker 4: Know, discourse between you guys.
Speaker 8: So can you, guys say how you managed to show
Speaker 8: up on a weekly basis, because this is not a sprint,
Speaker 8: it's a marathon, and it takes time to grow your
Speaker 8: audience when you're not already a celebrity, but you're needed
Speaker 8: in the space.
Speaker 4: I just want to say.
Speaker 1: Carla will Maris was my executive producer for another podcast
Speaker 1: I hosted with Will Packer, so she has an amazing
Speaker 1: podcast company and was great to work with and I
Speaker 1: haven't seen her since. I'll hug you after after the discussion,
Speaker 1: but thank you for the question. I think with all
Speaker 1: of us, we one rule for me anyway, when we're
Speaker 1: in person, even if there was a fight or discord
Speaker 1: on the panel, I want to eat afterwards. I want
Speaker 1: us all to be able to go out to eat
Speaker 1: like we're gonna do when we get off this stage
Speaker 1: and break bread and have a good time. And I
Speaker 1: think keeping the disagreement on the podcast, I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk after about the disagreement, Like if you got
Speaker 1: a problem, so and I says say it on the podcast.
Speaker 4: That is content.
Speaker 1: The other thing that you really can't manufacture is we
Speaker 1: are friends organically. We our friendship proceed to the podcast
Speaker 1: and it won't change. The podcast will not change our
Speaker 1: friendship ten years. So now you can ask me what's
Speaker 1: going on, and what's going on Andrew, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: able to answer. So we're having conversations, and we're letting
Speaker 1: the audience eavesdrop on those conversations. We show up as
Speaker 1: our authentic selves. We're not performing for this. Whether the
Speaker 1: cameras are rolling there or not, these conversations was going
Speaker 1: to be happening.
Speaker 5: We also take breaks from each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we typically taste the longest breaks from us. And
Speaker 1: it gets on my nerves.
Speaker 4: That's a podcast fight I'm gonna have right here, gets
Speaker 4: on my nerves. Answer my calls.
Speaker 3: Angela wants to talk about everything all the way through,
Speaker 3: and sometimes it's like I heard.
Speaker 5: What you say, I'm done with it, and we will
Speaker 5: pick up the next day.
Speaker 3: That dynamic is real because I remember as a youth
Speaker 3: like watching groups that used to be great performance groups
Speaker 3: and then you look up the next day and they
Speaker 3: done broke up. And nobody knows why the group broke up,
Speaker 3: because nobody ever talked about the fact.
Speaker 5: That there's discord.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it never When our discourse gets to the
Speaker 3: point where I no longer trust their intention, any one
Speaker 3: of them, or that at the end of the day
Speaker 3: they don't have in mind or in heart like me
Speaker 3: coming out good on the other side, then that's where
Speaker 3: it starts to disrupt for me, but in our disagreements
Speaker 3: personal on the show. Otherwise generally it's about a thing,
Speaker 3: this moment, this incident, this thing, and not like I'm
Speaker 3: not questioning the integrity of your character.
Speaker 5: I don't disbelieve you, so on and so forth.
Speaker 10: Hi, my name is Andrea. I'm based here in Houston
Speaker 10: and my company is Black Sports Moms. I have an
Speaker 10: amazing co founder that lives in Atlanta. So, piggybacking on
Speaker 10: her question, we want to start a podcast. Logistically, you
Speaker 10: guys all have fifty eleven jobs. How do you manage it?
Speaker 10: Because we want to do it in person. Do you
Speaker 10: guys do marathon shoot days? Do you do some virtual
Speaker 10: where y'all both on screen? Because we want to start it,
Speaker 10: but we want to get the best engagement with me
Speaker 10: being in Houston, her being in Atlanta.
Speaker 6: I really want to tell you that I wish that
Speaker 6: you would watch our show. It's so clear you don't,
Speaker 6: But I'm not going to say that. So what I
Speaker 6: will say is sometimes we just recorded one hundred and
Speaker 6: two episodes.
Speaker 4: We do both.
Speaker 6: Tiff says she likes to be in person. We're in
Speaker 6: person right now. We do live shows. It just really
Speaker 6: depends if you all have the travel budget to be
Speaker 6: in person. Be in person. We don't do marathon shoot
Speaker 6: days because it's new sensitive, it's a political and cultural show,
Speaker 6: and I will just say it is a marathon. As
Speaker 6: Carloss said, it's tip just alluded to.
Speaker 4: So that's it. I don't think.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the question, though, and we hope you
Speaker 1: tune in. We are welcome home.
Speaker 6: Got some tip filter on there, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 6: don't ask me, don't quite go back and look, y'all.
Speaker 5: As we were moving on, how about to the outer.
Speaker 3: Skirts, there's some hands over here on the ou of skirts,
Speaker 3: was like, move along, rightboy, got a min Yeah, can
Speaker 3: you hear me?
Speaker 5: Hi? My name is Marcelle Anderson. I'm a founder. Are
Speaker 5: you back here? Guests?
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 11: I'm a founder CEO of It's AI tech company based
Speaker 11: in Miami. So my question is actually for Andrew, especially
Speaker 11: given that you guys are in the podcasting space. Now,
Speaker 11: if we as we reflect upon Kamala's race and how
Speaker 11: the allocation of resources with respect to reaching the people was,
Speaker 11: I would say misallocated with respect to TV ads and billboards.
Speaker 11: And we saw how Trump was able to effectively use
Speaker 11: shows like Joe Rogan's podcast, etc. As you think about
Speaker 11: the importance of going local and the importance of targeting
Speaker 11: communities for galvanizing folks to win back states like Florida,
Speaker 11: what do you think of as effective strategies or people
Speaker 11: that you're throwing your weight behind to make sure we
Speaker 11: can try to win back Florida given how powerful the
Speaker 11: governor's seat is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, absolute brother up from Miami was born there,
Speaker 3: and Florida a lot of people across the country declared
Speaker 3: it's pretty much a lost state as relates to our politics.
Speaker 3: I tend to agree with you. I think it is
Speaker 3: a state that can be won if we're willing to compete.
Speaker 3: And competition has to be more than words.
Speaker 5: It's got to be matched in a budget. Right.
Speaker 3: You mentioned, you know, the Hairs campaign and the appropriation
Speaker 3: of media buys, and the truth is not just a
Speaker 3: Hars campaign. Nearly any different a campaign run nationally almost anywhere,
Speaker 3: has leaned into this very lateral, sort of non innovative
Speaker 3: approach to engaging communities. They might do an appearance on
Speaker 3: a podcast, but then you go back and trace the
Speaker 3: ad dollars and all the money went to network television. Right,
Speaker 3: we're not even a We're not even a percentage. We're
Speaker 3: less than a decimal point of what they were spending
Speaker 3: to reach our communities. And you know, my frustrations that
Speaker 3: are pretty big high with institutional structures that are supposed
Speaker 3: to serve and protect the things that I believe in
Speaker 3: and hopefully you believe in. And much of it has
Speaker 3: to do with the capitulation, the fact that so many
Speaker 3: folks have been willing, willing to bend a need, so
Speaker 3: willing to silence themselves and to absent themselves from a
Speaker 3: healthy discourse that all we got is us. We are here,
Speaker 3: you know, talking to each other, hopefully not exclusively, but
Speaker 3: about Okay, the system seems to be collapsing at every turn.
Speaker 5: Who's telling the truth of about it?
Speaker 3: And I think increasingly viewers listeners are finding those voices
Speaker 3: and connecting to them. But if you own a budget line,
Speaker 3: if you're over a budget line around advertising, I hope
Speaker 3: you'll make the point that you can't do this like
Speaker 3: it's a one off transaction. If you're going to talk
Speaker 3: to communities, especially communities of color, where you can move
Speaker 3: votes and numbers, you need to be there, not to.
Speaker 5: Date me once, but you got to marry me.
Speaker 3: You got to be in relationship with me on a
Speaker 3: regular basis, good times, bad times, and otherwise, so you
Speaker 3: know when the community's in pain and when we're feeling
Speaker 3: optimistic and prosperous, and then again, lift those voices up
Speaker 3: as they show themselves. But ideally we've be in a
Speaker 3: much better place where we are right now.
Speaker 5: Is we kind of all we.
Speaker 3: Got at the moment, and hopefully that that picture turns soon.
Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 12: Hi, I'm Keisha, and this question is Tiffany. I used
Speaker 12: to watch your show every Sunday, my husband and I,
Speaker 12: so we really loved your show. So your show gave
Speaker 12: a powerful platform to underrepresented voices, and after it ended,
Speaker 12: how did you reimagine your mission to be able to
Speaker 12: amplify those same voices outside of traditional network spaces.
Speaker 1: Thank you, I'm still reimagining. It's funny you should ask
Speaker 1: that question right now, because literally, right now I'm trying
Speaker 1: to harness resources to revisit that platform. I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: for so many people who tuned in, who still tell
Speaker 1: me they tuned in. And I say this with all
Speaker 1: humility because I you know, I don't think that people
Speaker 1: tuned in necessarily just to hear from me, but they
Speaker 1: tuned in to hear from Indigenous voices who did not
Speaker 1: have to talk about the indigenous community to be invited
Speaker 1: to my show. You could be a person to talk
Speaker 1: about Supreme Court justices, but you happen to have a dative.
Speaker 4: Amer and background.
Speaker 1: You could be from the API community and come on
Speaker 1: my show and talk about.
Speaker 4: You know, political discourse.
Speaker 1: So I've really been trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: harness the rising majority and bring that back. I try
Speaker 1: to do that on Native Land, but this is, you know,
Speaker 1: an opinion podcast, and I do miss actual reporting and
Speaker 1: journalism and introducing. So I try to do that as
Speaker 1: much as I can on the show, but I am
Speaker 1: looking for another outlet where I could actually report. So
Speaker 1: stay tuned, is what I can say for now. And
Speaker 1: just thank you for blessing me with the question. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take this moment because you asked that question to
Speaker 1: just shout out somebody in the audience. Who's somebody who
Speaker 1: I met through reporting on ground in Tulsa, and that
Speaker 1: is to Mario Solomon Simmons, Please stand up to Mario.
Speaker 1: To Mario is an attorney for the surviving members of
Speaker 1: the Tulsa Massacre. He represents the Tulsa massacre and he
Speaker 1: just won another As we talk about indigenous people, we
Speaker 1: have to know that there are black Indigenous people who
Speaker 1: are part of Creak Nation. Yes, and so he also
Speaker 1: just won that case. And for anyone in the audience
Speaker 1: who cares, I know he will want me to say this.
Speaker 1: He is a proud member of Omega Sci Fi Fraternity Incorporated.
Speaker 4: So I'm saying that because I know he would want
Speaker 4: me to say that the Mario you got a right
Speaker 4: head check now. Yeah, we love you, brother.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: We have a few more questions right here. Yes, how
Speaker 4: y'all doing. My name is Carrie Gray.
Speaker 13: I'm the founder and executive director of the Named Advocates,
Speaker 13: our workers at the intersections of racial and disability justice.
Speaker 13: Just a small plug. I would love to hear y'all
Speaker 13: talk about disability justice more.
Speaker 4: But my question is I'm.
Speaker 13: Really curious of how y'all see the future of the
Speaker 13: DEA framework.
Speaker 4: Right now.
Speaker 13: We are pushing for people to still use DEIA, but
Speaker 13: the reality is our community is fractured. People are dropping it,
Speaker 13: They're losing money. Some people couldn't wait to get away
Speaker 13: from it. I'm curious if y'all see this as a
Speaker 13: time to genuinely stick with it, or are y'all imagining
Speaker 13: the future of what we could be doing around this work,
Speaker 13: And is it called deia or something different.
Speaker 6: I think that we have to detach ourselves from terms
Speaker 6: and attach ourself to outcomes. We spend a lot of
Speaker 6: time worried about what something is called, and I think
Speaker 6: whether you call it belonging, we go together, justice, affirmative action,
Speaker 6: just action.
Speaker 4: It's about damn time.
Speaker 6: Whatever you call the program, right, we just need to
Speaker 6: make sure that the outcomes are.
Speaker 4: Attached to our collective liberation.
Speaker 6: I appreciate you adding in and stating it here deia.
Speaker 6: I will be more mindful of utilizing that. But one
Speaker 6: thing that I love that we've done from our very
Speaker 6: first show, Andrew talked about Native Lamp Pod being a
Speaker 6: safe space for us virtually to convene because we are
Speaker 6: so so disparate and where we live now, we don't
Speaker 6: live next door to each other like our folks used
Speaker 6: to do back in the day. So please, when you
Speaker 6: see us not mentioning something, send in a video let
Speaker 6: us know.
Speaker 1: And that goes for all of you. If there's something
Speaker 1: we need to speak to, if you don't like something.
Speaker 6: We said, we've been in a lot of beef since
Speaker 6: Bakari got on the show.
Speaker 4: So if there's.
Speaker 1: Anything, if there's anything you want to share, by all means,
Speaker 1: you can send in a comment or a question.
Speaker 6: We'd love to hear from y'all. It's your home too,
Speaker 6: so that's why we say welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree to It matters what the outcomes are,
Speaker 3: but it also matters that a thing be called a thing,
Speaker 3: largely because we didn't know about how reckless a lot
Speaker 3: of companies were in their spending toward people of color,
Speaker 3: or how many employees with disabilities or different abilities they had.
Speaker 3: We didn't learn that stuff until we started requiring, largely
Speaker 3: through government that they counted. And I was always told,
Speaker 3: you count what matters, and you call a thing something
Speaker 3: when it matters. And largely I found in a lot
Speaker 3: of places where they don't name when they are making diversity,
Speaker 3: equity and inclusion i A investments, then everybody gets called
Speaker 3: to the C suites and they're scattering trying to figure
Speaker 3: out how they can composite some data together that makes
Speaker 3: them not look like they're keeping certain communities outside of
Speaker 3: of of of of the benefit here. So to me,
Speaker 3: it matters that you call a thing something because when
Speaker 3: you call it something, usually can.
Speaker 4: Andrew because here's the thing.
Speaker 6: There are a lot of places that call a thing
Speaker 6: a thing, and the only beneficiaries are white women.
Speaker 3: I don't That's why I agree with you the outcomes
Speaker 3: the outcome. The outcomes also matter. But right now you
Speaker 3: wanted to go to France and find out how many
Speaker 3: folks are owning black businesses, say they're.
Speaker 5: In France, they don't.
Speaker 3: Your identity as a Frenchman French woman is just that
Speaker 3: there's no black French, there's no Afro French, there's no
Speaker 3: any of that. And they take it out of state
Speaker 3: of pride that they don't have those divisions. And I said, well, well,
Speaker 3: how do you find the data when you're trying to.
Speaker 6: Find so let me push back on this too, because
Speaker 6: even recently he had the essential dismantling of the Disadvantage
Speaker 6: Business Enterprise Program through DOT through the Department of Transportation.
Speaker 6: Disadvantaged Business Enterprise stands, but they have gutted it of
Speaker 6: gender and racial consideration. So you called the thing a thing,
Speaker 6: but it's not going to have the same impact.
Speaker 3: Well, this is a line ass administration, and so it's
Speaker 3: hard to ability.
Speaker 5: Sort of figure out what's what.
Speaker 3: But I will say this to bridge the divide here
Speaker 3: is I think you absolutely the outcomes absolutely matter, right,
Speaker 3: the outcomes of a thing absolutely matter. To call it
Speaker 3: something also matters to me. But in a perfect scenario,
Speaker 3: a perfect scenario would be that it lives in the
Speaker 3: bloodstream of the entity. That if diversity is important to
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not calling out, but you can see
Speaker 3: in my C suite and my F suite and whatever
Speaker 3: sus have that it means something because based off the
Speaker 3: diversity that you can either visibly see or once you
Speaker 3: get into the data stale on paper.
Speaker 1: It's producer Lol is right there and she says, we
Speaker 1: have to wrap this answer.
Speaker 4: So next question, how you're doing, Tiffany.
Speaker 14: My name is Adam Harris. I'm a creative director at
Speaker 14: Proud Kids Club, and my wife spent on your show
Speaker 14: multiple times before you got canceled. Her name is lynn Wynn. Yeah,
Speaker 14: and my daughter.
Speaker 1: Lad She a woman of Asian American woman who likes
Speaker 1: to have on the show. She had so much flavor
Speaker 1: and always had the She gave it to a straight
Speaker 1: no chaser every time, so thank you.
Speaker 4: Please tell her I say, hi, sorry, y'all.
Speaker 5: That will take pictures.
Speaker 4: But my question is, let me see how I can
Speaker 4: with this.
Speaker 5: How are we.
Speaker 14: Gonna teach our elders how to tell difference from AI
Speaker 14: videos and real videos? How are we gonna bridge the
Speaker 14: gap in between that? And you know, because my mom's
Speaker 14: sending me like four to five videos a day looked
Speaker 14: at this steer, you know, jumping on a trampoline, and
Speaker 14: then celebrities selling fake products, Like, how do we bridge
Speaker 14: that gap?
Speaker 3: That is we bridge it first with us, because I'd
Speaker 3: be saying something, think it is real, Well, I'm not
Speaker 3: close to the sixty.
Speaker 5: That I am in the forty.
Speaker 1: So so as Times talks about AI a lot in
Speaker 1: the dangers of it that it represents specifically for us,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes people get so excited with it like
Speaker 1: it's a new toy without attaching to it critical thinking
Speaker 1: and what it means for our community. We know in
Speaker 1: this room AI is neither artificial nor is it intelligent.
Speaker 4: It's feeding off what we give it.
Speaker 1: But when you look at the Internet's comments section, think
Speaker 1: about it. AI is all up and through there grasping
Speaker 1: information from that. The best example that I can give
Speaker 1: that's been written about multiple times. You ask Ai chat GPC,
Speaker 1: for example, does Israel have the right to exist?
Speaker 4: You get back immediate yes.
Speaker 1: If you ask AI, does Palestine have the right to exist,
Speaker 1: the answer is way different. Well, it's complicated. Well we
Speaker 1: have to look at this. That shows bias right there. Now,
Speaker 1: that is your own Palestine Middle very complex Middle East policy.
Speaker 1: Think about when it comes to black folks here in
Speaker 1: America and what kind of information that people are using
Speaker 1: and building. Moreover, AI is the thing that's doing the learning,
Speaker 1: not us. So when you think about how it's pumped
Speaker 1: into our newsrooms, into our social media feeds, it is
Speaker 1: terrifying to.
Speaker 4: Answer a question.
Speaker 1: I do not believe we will be able to get
Speaker 1: ahead of this before it gets ahead of us. Even
Speaker 1: with Sora and the new technology there, it's already being
Speaker 1: manipulated by other people.
Speaker 4: All it is a video clip.
Speaker 1: You can just clip edit the Sora out of the video,
Speaker 1: and it's already happening. More dangerously, think about what it's
Speaker 1: doing to our politics. Just this month, we saw Donald
Speaker 1: Trump use an AI video to show himself defecating on
Speaker 1: the no Kings parades across the country, wearing a crown
Speaker 1: which happened to be a queen's crown. It wasn't even
Speaker 1: a king's crown. Genius, but he showed this video and
Speaker 1: people believe that. During the election, they showed a video
Speaker 1: of Joe Biden and spliced it so look like he
Speaker 1: was falling asleep during an interview that never happened. But
Speaker 1: critical thinking people see this and believe it. So I
Speaker 1: would ask all of us share responsibly, think critically before
Speaker 1: you comment on something.
Speaker 4: Thinking is real. You can always.
Speaker 1: Double and triple check before you share something like that.
Speaker 1: But it's something that I'm terrified, and I ask people
Speaker 1: in here who works on AI. My question to you
Speaker 1: is are we looking at more sci fi or more
Speaker 1: horror story?
Speaker 4: And right now it feels like more horror story.
Speaker 6: And to that end, sadly, it's horrific that we're going
Speaker 6: to have to come to a close. But first we're
Speaker 6: going to do calls to action. We don't we have
Speaker 6: a cause to action, So whoever wants to start, okay,
Speaker 6: I won't hold you here.
Speaker 5: We go.
Speaker 6: My call to action first is to please make sure
Speaker 6: that you are talking to people who you don't always
Speaker 6: agree with.
Speaker 4: Make sure you're.
Speaker 1: Listening to things, watching things, reviewing things that you don't
Speaker 1: necessarily understand. I think, Tiff, what you were just saying
Speaker 1: about AI is perfect case in point.
Speaker 6: I am trying to learn how to use this thing,
Speaker 6: so this thing don't use me understand. So my call
Speaker 6: to action would be to please make sure, even while
Speaker 6: you're here, get to know somebody in your black family,
Speaker 6: tell them how you doing, wait and listen to the answer,
Speaker 6: and definitely make sure you connect with folks you don't
Speaker 6: agree with.
Speaker 1: My call to action is if you had a question
Speaker 1: or comment that we did not get to, please drop
Speaker 1: us a video. They will tell you I'm so intentional.
Speaker 1: Every week I yield my time. Sometimes I'll say I
Speaker 1: don't have a topic. I'd rather as use this time
Speaker 1: just to hear from our viewers. If you're new to
Speaker 1: the platform, we welcome you home to tune in and
Speaker 1: please feel welcome in this space. And yeah, please, if
Speaker 1: you had a question for any of us or a topic,
Speaker 1: I'd love the suggestion that we speak more about this
Speaker 1: dibility we had. Another person asked that same question last
Speaker 1: year on the campaign trail, so anything, there's literally nothing
Speaker 1: you can say that we don't play on the show.
Speaker 4: We want you to feel at home.
Speaker 1: So if you had your hand up and we didn't
Speaker 1: get you, please you can how they get it to
Speaker 1: us Lolo. They can DM it to our Instagram at
Speaker 1: native lampid and they can can they email it anywhere.
Speaker 1: I'll give y'all, I'll sweet out Angela's cell phone number
Speaker 1: and y'all can just text it to her directly and
Speaker 1: get us video beyond.
Speaker 3: People Andrew, it's fashionable to not do politics these days.
Speaker 5: It's dirty.
Speaker 3: It ends you up in conflict and fights and and
Speaker 3: conversations you don't think you're fully.
Speaker 5: Qualified to have.
Speaker 3: But politics, by definition is just the study of people.
Speaker 3: And as just in this conversation, I had so many
Speaker 3: sort of policy related responses I'd like to offer, but
Speaker 3: the truth is is often hedge it because people like
Speaker 3: to stay away from the political and I would just say,
Speaker 3: as Joy Reeve says, politics is doing us every day,
Speaker 3: whether it's how we get our parents to understand what
Speaker 3: an artificial video is versus what's real, or how we
Speaker 3: get a regulatory environment around artificial intelligence that keeps the
Speaker 3: American people at the center of it and not profit
Speaker 3: or how it is you curate in your own community
Speaker 3: conversations that are relatable to the people who live there
Speaker 3: versus what they're being fed. Politics is all up, through, beneath,
Speaker 3: under intertwined with all of it, and so I wish
Speaker 3: we could redefine how it is we think about politics
Speaker 3: as a season and an election and really consider it
Speaker 3: as it's.
Speaker 5: Every day, it's all the time. Twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3: Those decisions are the ones at the beginning and the
Speaker 3: end of the day that are affecting your life and
Speaker 3: your livelihood, your ability to survive versus your ability to thrive.
Speaker 5: To them, You're.
Speaker 1: Gale, Tiffany Cross, and I'm Angela Rye.
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