WEBVTT - AfroTech '25 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.880 Native Land Pod is the production of iHeartRadio and partnership 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:04.160 with Recent Choice Media. 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:15.000 Welcome Welcome, Let's show some love to native Land. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:17.440 Welcome home, y'all, Welcome home. 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:23.200 What's up? Everybody? 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:24.360 Can y'all hear us? 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.560 You hear us? Hopefully if y'all said, oh, no, we 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:28.520 can hear I can hear us. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:32.360 Okay, all right, Welcome home, Welcome home, y'all. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.400 I just one quick housekeeping matter. 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.760 I believe that our podcast is available everywhere you get 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.760 your podcasts, which includes the Serious app but we're actually 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.199 a part of the iHeart Podcast family, so I just 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:47.519 wanted to correct the record on that. 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:52.680 I'm Angela Rye, I'm timmany Kron, and. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.880 I'm Andrew Gillam. Good to meet y'all, and it's good 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:55.400 to do with you. 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.600 Let me find out Andrew d fans in Texas. 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:00.840 I love No No. 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.480 That was the culmination applause for the. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.160 Three that y'all can see read. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.919 Don't have Bacari Sellers with us, who is our newest 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.840 fourth host. He is actually wrapping up trial and was 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.319 trying to get out on time. And government shutdowns can 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.040 be real effective when you relate to the airport, so 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.399 he will hopefully go in the next flight we'll get 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.640 a chance. But we're extremely proud to have Bacari Sellers 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:30.080 from CNN and just turning in South Carolina join us 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.119 as the fourth host of the Native Lamplot Family. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.600 And he got the nerve to call himself Beyonce, but 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.840 shout out to Beyonce while we were in Houston. That's Bacari, 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.720 that does that, not Andrew. So I want to just 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.640 get into a little bit of why we started this show, 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.400 the importance of it right now, in particular, how many 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:49.600 of you all have listened to the show. 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:54.440 We can see you a little bit, all right, Okay, Well. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.720 Tiffany, if you would, would you please tell us why 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:58.440 we named the show Native Land Pod. 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:01.280 This is Angela's ideas. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.160 I don't know why I'm asked answering, but we get 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.000 this question a lot and we talk about it on 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.120 our podcast. But Angela were all in a group chat 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:10.840 and Angela said, well, we were trying to think of 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:11.119 a name. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.160 She said, what do you all think about Native Land? 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.880 And it's because it is the last stanza of our 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:20.440 national anthem, the Black national anthem, True to our God, 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:22.320 True to our Native Land. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:24.160 So that's where the name. 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:29.440 Comes from, but it feels more timely, especially now, as 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.160 no matter how they try to make us feel, this 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.840 is our home, this is the country we built. So 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.720 at this time, many of us feel homeless in terms 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:41.400 of where we get information from the spaces where we 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.079 can gather in safety, where you can have reliable, vetted, 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.920 trusted information and discussions that reflect the discussions you all 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.400 are having in your group, chats at Brunt's tables and 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.880 book clubs and barbershop wherever you all gather. So that's 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.840 really the mission of Native Lampod, and we drop every Thursday, 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.160 but there are also solo pods, mini pods. Angela hosts 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:07.360 her show, Bakari and Andrew are actually recording a show 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.400 without us. They kicked the girls out, so they're recording 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.800 a show without us tomorrow. So pretty much every day 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.560 of the week you can find something from Native lamp Pod. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.440 And I'm so thrilled that John said, y'all listen, that 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:19.720 warms our heart. We say welcome home for a reason. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.480 Can I also just say on the on the Native 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.800 Land selection, we did hear from our indigenous brothers and 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.600 sisters who wanted to understand the interplay of the use 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.400 of the word native with their position here as the 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.880 native peoples of this land, and of course as black folks. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.520 Wherever we've been, either by force or by choice, we've 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.040 had to figure out ways, maneuver ways to make a 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.800 place ours and to adopt it as fully as we can. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.640 And so to Tiffany's point about this political moment where 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.200 you feel homeless on so many fronts, I think ours 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.839 is a community that has always demonstrated that we can 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:01.360 make home, whether again by choice, wherever it is that 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:05.760 we are, and so that reference to the Stanza is 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:09.520 important grounding for why it is Native Land was our 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.080 choice when we say welcome home, because we want you 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.120 to know that at least with us, and Pacari when 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:19.600 he you know with us, I'm joking that you're at 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.880 home and that we can be open, free and fully 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:23.960 disclosing with each other. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.000 And speaking of home, I know we are here at 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:26.800 Afro Tech. 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.159 This conreerce has been doing the work of the Lord 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.120 for many, many years, and I just I want to 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:36.520 shout out the founder of Blavity, Morgan Debond. Shout out 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.600 to her for creating this amazing space and our full 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:40.760 team y'all give it up for them. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:41.920 They're doing really good work. 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.839 Yeah, but I want to stay here for a moment 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.640 just on home, because there are gatherings like this where 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:50.840 black people come no matter what, it's a head nod, 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:52.760 it's a piece, it's a girl, your outfit is fly, 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.680 and we really need that in this moment in particular, right, 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.040 I think when we think about. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.240 Home, when we think of I didn't even mean. 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.400 To do that, but when we think of it, we've 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.440 got to remember that we've got to create spaces to 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:10.599 belong and the places that we cultivated. I think, particularly 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:16.120 around and after the killing of George Floyd, it felt 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.240 like there was going to be a tie change, that 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.680 things were going to finally start to shift. In corporate 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.839 I know many of the corporations here are recruiting, but 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.039 so many of these organizations have also dialed back some 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:27.880 of their efforts. 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.160 Can we talk about why it's important for. 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:34.560 Black entrepreneurs with our problem solving selves to figure out 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.400 how to meet and bridge that gap, because there is one, 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:37.880 and it's. 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.760 Growing indeed, And just that's a perfect question, Angela. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:42.960 I don't want to mention the audience we're actually I 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.679 think circulate, Mike spent a couple of moments. We actually 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.640 want to bring you into the conversation because we oftentimes 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:49.920 spend a lot of time on our show, of course 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:51.520 telling you what we think, but we want to hear 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.160 what you think, what your lived experience is saying. And 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.640 then how do we, as folks who talk a lot 0:05:56.640 --> 0:06:00.000 on these issues, helped to meet the moment through your 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.040 perspective and Angela, you know, we have asked a number 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.039 of corporate folks who are sort of with us in 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.040 supporting the show whether or not they have felt pressure 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:15.000 within their corporate environments to either lessen the emphasis on diversity, 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.960 equity and inclusion as one example, or whether or not 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.560 they felt internally supported and that the mission was not 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.880 one that was born of a moment, that existed and 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.480 lived only in that moment, but that it's part of 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:34.160 the lifeblood of a corporation, an organization that runs through 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.120 the bloodstream of it, and not as an appendance. And 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.360 we're lucky with some of our corporate partners that it 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.880 does run through the fiber of the organization, but a 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.560 lot of other places is y'all know probably better than us, 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.880 you know, not involgue to say DEI a lot of times, 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.880 or the definition or the attempt to redefine the definition 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.720 of didn't even earn It is one that unfortunately even 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.320 supporters of diversity have allowed to co opt its meaning. 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.479 And the reason why I still sort of lean into 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.800 the use of the term DEDI is that I think. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.000 We ought to be proud and unapologetic about the fact 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.320 that corporations, the country. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.280 The world does better with a collection of diverse ideas 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.920 that reflect the diversity of lived experiences that enrich whatever 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.640 the outcome is, makes it more marketable and profitable, and 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:20.480 we all come. 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.440 Up versus the really simplistic. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:27.080 Myopic, racist intention that I think comes from the redefinition 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:27.320 of it. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.160 I just want to take time and talk to some 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.200 of the startups here because I definitely understand the frustration 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:38.000 around that, because even pre George Floyd, we've had a 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:42.120 hard time in raising funds. I of course try to 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.600 start a newsroom startup that and I was met with 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:50.200 a very unfriendly, unreceptive environment. I launched at the same 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.600 time as an outlet, the Skim, which was run by 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:54.960 two women who don't look like me. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.200 I launched at the same time as. 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:01.120 Axios which is a political daily group of newsletter launched 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:02.920 by a bunch of men who don't look like me. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.320 And I would go into some of these places like 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.840 I'm sure many of you all can relate, and I 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.960 would have to one define my humanity and second defend it, 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.160 and then define my intellect and then second defend it. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.720 People would ask me, someone in half my age would 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.240 ask me to present the problem, and the problem was, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:27.080 of course, there was not enough reliable information reaching people 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.520 who look like us. Mind you, this was twenty sixteen, 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.840 and this is a time when the Russian government was 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.800 interfering with news and information. They spent thirty seconds here 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:38.240 and said, oh, I know how we can interfere. They 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.480 don't treat black folks so well there, so let's start 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.800 flooding the zone with that. And people would ask me 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.760 if pepper me with questions and the conclusion was constantly, well, 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.640 black and brown people don't really care about news. How 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.200 are you going to prove this business model? Meanwhile, we 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:56.320 had unique one hundred thousand daily readers. The skim axios 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:01.240 they didn't have They had a concept and launched with 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.400 six and seven figure jobs or six and seven figure 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:09.120 platforms and so there was a study done by Rate 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.240 my Investor, which I'm sure you all may be familiar with, 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.720 at the lack of opportunity that black women get in investing, 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.600 and in twenty sixteen, the lack of opportunity that we 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:25.680 got cost America, not just us, but America billions of 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.760 dollars in commerce and millions of jobs. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:31.319 So it's more we're denied. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.800 We cut our nose off to spite our face in 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.480 this country, and we see how that's gone ten years later, 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:41.000 where there's still a dearth of information that does not 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.760 reach us. And so that's the moment that Native Land 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.120 tries to meet every week. When we launched, we were 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:52.079 the number one downloaded podcast in every single category across 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.720 every space on Apple News, and that's because of you all. 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.240 So it's important that we have your support, but we 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.560 also want to make sure that we're supporting you, and 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.000 that's why we want to hear from you as well 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:04.319 as we see our own testimony. 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.280 And to that point, there is a floating mic, and 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.280 so if you have a question, please make sure you 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.240 stand or comment. Please make sure you stand and stay 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.480 your name and where you're from. I will say quickly 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:21.640 while we're waiting for this. First comment is we also 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.880 are in a startup space. Tiff definitely blazed the trail. 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.160 But I want to know we focus group sometimes how 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.640 many of you all run your own company, start or 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:31.360 you're a startup. 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:33.920 There's a few hands, Oh, there's a good number of hands. 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.400 And then how many of you all are podcasters? 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:38.920 Okay, good number of hands too. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.840 The reason why I'm asking that is because I think 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.680 that people don't always understand this is a grind like 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:46.760 at our big age. 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.600 We are grinding for real? Is it is like another startup? 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:50.520 Give a big age. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:55.120 Somebody just celebrated a big one two days ago, happy birthday. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.480 Well I turned forty six. But I don't look at 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:03.040 praise the lower neither do y'all? Do we have a question? 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.640 I thought somebody I was just showing where the mic is? 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:06.319 Is that a drunk? 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:07.320 The mic is over here to. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.800 Okay, hey ya, okay, how you doing? 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:12.959 So? 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:17.400 We got a hand right here. 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:19.840 It needs some new oil. Nothing is loud. 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:21.679 It's a distraction. 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:25.679 Yes, sir, state your name where you're from. 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.880 He's got a podcast, Indiana's own Dana Black are Jana? Yeah, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:35.480 what's happening now? Nicole told me to tell you how Yes, 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.600 I am also a podcaster. Tiffany, you on me spades game? 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:40.480 You know that? Right? 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.680 Okay say the word okay now. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.440 One of the things I struggle with I am okay 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.440 with my podcast because it's just me controlling it. One 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.320 of the efforts that I have been trying to put 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:57.480 together is having a podcast where young people are talking 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.600 to young people and everyone talks about they're really interested 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.240 in doing the thing. But then when I try to 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:08.960 pull the meeting together to get the action moving, it's 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.680 very difficult to get them to sit down for thirty 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:16.240 minutes with me to do the what is the concept? 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:17.120 What are we going to do? 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:18.520 At fifty five? 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.880 I can't do the conversation to young people. 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:22.960 I need them to do this. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.240 How do you manage to bring the ideas together and 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.280 get them flowing in the right direction? 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:36.960 We fight, we fight, We don't see anything the same. 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.280 And I think that's one of the big misnombers about 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:39.560 the show. 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:40.480 There's a huge. 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.920 Mythod It's like, oh, they're in an echo chamber. Ain't 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:44.080 nobody echoing in here? 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.480 And so I think the main thing is you have 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.199 to be willing to come to the table with your 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:50.880 thing and say this is the thing I know we 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:51.760 should be talking about. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:52.560 I feel it in my gut. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.760 One thing I love about our dynamic is if there's 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.920 anything that we all are some one person feels strongly about, 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.000 we yield. But they're also times where we don't yield. 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:02.600 You don't want to talk about any of those times. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.800 Honestly, I think I think that is a good example. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.160 Though we all have a different idea about approaches to 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.479 the problem, so again, our conversations reflect the same conversations 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.959 that you guys are having. We all live in service 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.400 to the liberation of our people, but there are different 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:22.480 ideas about how to get there. There are many times 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:27.400 that I could reference, but I'll say more generally, I 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.280 think Angela, you're in a space where you want to 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:36.720 reach everyone you even people who I think are Sometimes 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:39.160 we're trying to be careful. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:40.199 I'm trying to be. 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.120 Polite because I think sometimes people are nasty in their 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:47.280 discord and disrespectful to all of us, but sometimes to Angela, 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:50.800 and Angela sets ego aside and will go to that 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.600 group of people and say, here's what I'm trying to say, 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.880 and I invite you all to the conversation. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.080 I think Andrew, sometimes. 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.079 You're y'all might see a fight right now, but I 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.360 think sometimes you're an institutionalist, like you believe like no 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.720 our government functions for this reason, and this is why 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.640 we have to participate. I think, you know, sometimes I 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.520 am really focused on informing folks, and so if people 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.400 don't want to receive that information, I'm like deuces, I 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.360 can't force some down your throat if you. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:21.840 Don't want it. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.080 And so if we're all coming at that from a 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:28.040 different perspective, hopefully we are reaching everybody, even people who 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:29.880 disagree with us. If there are people in an audience 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.000 right now, is like I walk all the time, and 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:33.840 people are like, I didn't like when you said or 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.600 gird love when you said, you tell Andrew blah blah blah, 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:38.520 or I kind of agree with Angela at this point, 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:39.880 I didn't agree with you, or I agree with you, 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.000 I didn't agree with Angela. And we invite those conversations 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:47.880 because a healthy exchange of intellectual ideas and ideology is 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:49.960 the only way we are going to see our way 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.240 out of this four hundred year nightmare that we have 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:53.520 somehow kept surviving. 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.640 Yeah, and then Dana's out of Indiana, and I know 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.960 the spaces all around this country don't always make themselves 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.640 warming to new ideas and disruption to media in the market. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.560 Your point specifically about young people. 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:10.840 I mean, I think not for just young people. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.840 I think in general, we're living at a time where 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:17.280 people want sort of the unpolished and the not necessarily 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.200 presentation ready version of things. 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.240 They want, How is it like? What does it really 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:21.680 look like? 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.960 In fact way, we negotiate that each week, from topic to topic, 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.720 we have a pre call with each other, and once 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.800 each of us are done pitching to each other what 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.560 we would like to talk about, we oftentimes cut the 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.520 conversation like we don't want to pie, don't say what 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.840 you really think, don't you know, don't do it here. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:38.600 Let's do it when we're on the mic, so that 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.000 folks are truly welcomed into what the discourse is between 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.400 why a thing or why not a thing? 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.080 Andrew, we just got in trouble. We got to shorten 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.320 our response. I've done a lot of questions. That's it, okay, authors, 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:52.200 I have a question. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:59.360 I'm right here, hey, friends, I I'm a Tiffany. I'm 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:03.880 Tiffany here is here from Houston. So my question for 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.320 you all is, I'm a mom and I have a 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:11.240 great community of children, none of which who like Trump. 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.320 But I want to frame I want to help them 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:18.240 frame the conversation in a way where they're not distrustful 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:24.640 and disliking of all the things, like I want them informed. 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:28.000 So how you know, and you guys all have three 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:32.240 very different perspectives, But what's the best way to help 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:37.000 young people frame the moment that we're in To help 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:42.720 empower them in a more proactive way as opposed to 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:48.320 a more reactive or hate or anything else that's happening. 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:52.040 I like, I want to empower them to feel like, yes, 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.760 this is a bad moment, but it's not the end 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:55.520 of the moment. 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.800 I one of the things that I point to, and 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.200 we'll even give you this example right now. You know, 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.879 for twenty four additional states, SNAP benefits are expected to 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.840 run out on November first, right before the holidays. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.520 And one of the things that I'm so grateful I. 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:16.119 Shifted inadvertently my algorithm to see are the number of 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.240 ways in which black folks are coming together to meet 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.960 the needs of hungry kids and families all over this country. 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.000 So one thing that we know. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.440 Is that when we all just do a little bit, 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.640 we can change the equation. 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.120 We can absolutely change the way this is played. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.399 Should we be able to rely on our government after 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:35.879 everything that we've given to our government? 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:39.399 Absolutely, But can we rely on our government? It's something 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:40.360 entirely different. 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:42.680 And I think that if we accept what we don't 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.280 want to, which is that we may not be able to, 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.119 but we have everything we need, and God, we thank you, 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:49.120 we can make it. 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.240 So the short answer is we all we got Andrew. 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.399 Agreed, and I'll just say the beauty of history is 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.320 that oftentimes it tells. 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:58.320 A story of what we've overcome. 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.119 When we think about the Montgomery US Boycott, they didn't 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.920 start with the intention of being in protest. 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:05.200 For over a year. 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.400 They started believing they were going to protest for a day, 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.159 and then they met that evening and decided they were 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:11.960 going to keep the protest for the next day. 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:13.840 And they met again that evening and. 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.320 Decided they were going to keep the protest going until 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.080 they broke the wheel of the system. So history's important, 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.280 particularly for young folks, in that Yeah, this may be 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.280 the moment we're in right now, but it hasn't always 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.840 been this way and didn't always have to be this way, 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:27.439 and I think we ought to lean more on the 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:31.000 examples that I think show a path that we can overcome, 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:32.200 and we do overcome. 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:45.560 The question. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:50.199 Hi Carla, Hi, my name is carloil Maris and this 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.520 is a podcast the congratulations to you guys. 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.000 My question is I have a company. 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.560 It's a production company for podcast since twenty seventeen, and 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.919 I've always focused only on black and round voices to 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.600 amplify them. When I came into space, it was a 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:04.440 very white space. 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:04.960 It still is. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:07.639 So my question to you is a lot of people 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:08.439 come into the space. 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:09.680 It's demanding. 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.560 Podcasting is fun, you're looking at it, you're enjoying native 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.560 Land multiple times a week. But then I see everyone 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.000 putting their hands up. They want to do it or 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.160 they're in it. But you get tired and you get 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.880 burnt out, and if you have co hosts, there could 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:24.920 be you. 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:26.440 Know, discourse between you guys. 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:28.760 So can you, guys say how you managed to show 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.160 up on a weekly basis, because this is not a sprint, 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.800 it's a marathon, and it takes time to grow your 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:38.080 audience when you're not already a celebrity, but you're needed 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:38.760 in the space. 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:41.040