1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is the production of iHeartRadio and partnership 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: with Recent Choice Media. 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: Welcome Welcome, Let's show some love to native Land. 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 3: Welcome home, y'all, Welcome home. 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 4: What's up? Everybody? 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 5: Can y'all hear us? 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 4: You hear us? Hopefully if y'all said, oh, no, we 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 4: can hear I can hear us. 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Welcome home, Welcome home, y'all. 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 4: I just one quick housekeeping matter. 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 6: I believe that our podcast is available everywhere you get 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 6: your podcasts, which includes the Serious app but we're actually 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 6: a part of the iHeart Podcast family, so I just 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 6: wanted to correct the record on that. 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm Angela Rye, I'm timmany Kron, and. 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 5: I'm Andrew Gillam. Good to meet y'all, and it's good 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 5: to do with you. 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 4: Let me find out Andrew d fans in Texas. 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 5: I love No No. 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 4: That was the culmination applause for the. 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 5: Three that y'all can see read. 22 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 3: Don't have Bacari Sellers with us, who is our newest 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: fourth host. He is actually wrapping up trial and was 24 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 3: trying to get out on time. And government shutdowns can 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: be real effective when you relate to the airport, so 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 3: he will hopefully go in the next flight we'll get 27 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: a chance. But we're extremely proud to have Bacari Sellers 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: from CNN and just turning in South Carolina join us 29 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 3: as the fourth host of the Native Lamplot Family. 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 6: And he got the nerve to call himself Beyonce, but 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 6: shout out to Beyonce while we were in Houston. That's Bacari, 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 6: that does that, not Andrew. So I want to just 33 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 6: get into a little bit of why we started this show, 34 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 6: the importance of it right now, in particular, how many 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 6: of you all have listened to the show. 36 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 4: We can see you a little bit, all right, Okay, Well. 37 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: Tiffany, if you would, would you please tell us why 38 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: we named the show Native Land Pod. 39 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 4: This is Angela's ideas. 40 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm asked answering, but we get 41 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: this question a lot and we talk about it on 42 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: our podcast. But Angela were all in a group chat 43 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: and Angela said, well, we were trying to think of 44 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 1: a name. 45 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 4: She said, what do you all think about Native Land? 46 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: And it's because it is the last stanza of our 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: national anthem, the Black national anthem, True to our God, 48 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: True to our Native Land. 49 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 4: So that's where the name. 50 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: Comes from, but it feels more timely, especially now, as 51 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: no matter how they try to make us feel, this 52 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: is our home, this is the country we built. So 53 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: at this time, many of us feel homeless in terms 54 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: of where we get information from the spaces where we 55 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: can gather in safety, where you can have reliable, vetted, 56 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: trusted information and discussions that reflect the discussions you all 57 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: are having in your group, chats at Brunt's tables and 58 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: book clubs and barbershop wherever you all gather. So that's 59 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: really the mission of Native Lampod, and we drop every Thursday, 60 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: but there are also solo pods, mini pods. Angela hosts 61 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: her show, Bakari and Andrew are actually recording a show 62 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: without us. They kicked the girls out, so they're recording 63 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: a show without us tomorrow. So pretty much every day 64 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: of the week you can find something from Native lamp Pod. 65 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: And I'm so thrilled that John said, y'all listen, that 66 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: warms our heart. We say welcome home for a reason. 67 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: Can I also just say on the on the Native 68 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: Land selection, we did hear from our indigenous brothers and 69 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: sisters who wanted to understand the interplay of the use 70 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: of the word native with their position here as the 71 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: native peoples of this land, and of course as black folks. 72 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: Wherever we've been, either by force or by choice, we've 73 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: had to figure out ways, maneuver ways to make a 74 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: place ours and to adopt it as fully as we can. 75 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: And so to Tiffany's point about this political moment where 76 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: you feel homeless on so many fronts, I think ours 77 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 3: is a community that has always demonstrated that we can 78 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 3: make home, whether again by choice, wherever it is that 79 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: we are, and so that reference to the Stanza is 80 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: important grounding for why it is Native Land was our 81 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: choice when we say welcome home, because we want you 82 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: to know that at least with us, and Pacari when 83 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: he you know with us, I'm joking that you're at 84 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: home and that we can be open, free and fully 85 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: disclosing with each other. 86 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 4: And speaking of home, I know we are here at 87 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 4: Afro Tech. 88 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 6: This conreerce has been doing the work of the Lord 89 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 6: for many, many years, and I just I want to 90 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 6: shout out the founder of Blavity, Morgan Debond. Shout out 91 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 6: to her for creating this amazing space and our full 92 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 6: team y'all give it up for them. 93 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 4: They're doing really good work. 94 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 6: Yeah, but I want to stay here for a moment 95 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 6: just on home, because there are gatherings like this where 96 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 6: black people come no matter what, it's a head nod, 97 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 6: it's a piece, it's a girl, your outfit is fly, 98 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 6: and we really need that in this moment in particular, right, 99 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 6: I think when we think about. 100 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 4: Home, when we think of I didn't even mean. 101 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 6: To do that, but when we think of it, we've 102 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 6: got to remember that we've got to create spaces to 103 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 6: belong and the places that we cultivated. I think, particularly 104 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 6: around and after the killing of George Floyd, it felt 105 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 6: like there was going to be a tie change, that 106 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 6: things were going to finally start to shift. In corporate 107 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 6: I know many of the corporations here are recruiting, but 108 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 6: so many of these organizations have also dialed back some 109 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 6: of their efforts. 110 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 4: Can we talk about why it's important for. 111 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 6: Black entrepreneurs with our problem solving selves to figure out 112 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 6: how to meet and bridge that gap, because there is one, 113 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 6: and it's. 114 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 5: Growing indeed, And just that's a perfect question, Angela. 115 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: I don't want to mention the audience we're actually I 116 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 3: think circulate, Mike spent a couple of moments. We actually 117 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: want to bring you into the conversation because we oftentimes 118 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: spend a lot of time on our show, of course 119 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: telling you what we think, but we want to hear 120 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 3: what you think, what your lived experience is saying. And 121 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: then how do we, as folks who talk a lot 122 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: on these issues, helped to meet the moment through your 123 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 3: perspective and Angela, you know, we have asked a number 124 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 3: of corporate folks who are sort of with us in 125 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 3: supporting the show whether or not they have felt pressure 126 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: within their corporate environments to either lessen the emphasis on diversity, 127 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: equity and inclusion as one example, or whether or not 128 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: they felt internally supported and that the mission was not 129 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: one that was born of a moment, that existed and 130 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 3: lived only in that moment, but that it's part of 131 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 3: the lifeblood of a corporation, an organization that runs through 132 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: the bloodstream of it, and not as an appendance. And 133 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 3: we're lucky with some of our corporate partners that it 134 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: does run through the fiber of the organization, but a 135 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 3: lot of other places is y'all know probably better than us, 136 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: you know, not involgue to say DEI a lot of times, 137 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: or the definition or the attempt to redefine the definition 138 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 3: of didn't even earn It is one that unfortunately even 139 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: supporters of diversity have allowed to co opt its meaning. 140 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 3: And the reason why I still sort of lean into 141 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: the use of the term DEDI is that I think. 142 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 5: We ought to be proud and unapologetic about the fact 143 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 5: that corporations, the country. 144 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: The world does better with a collection of diverse ideas 145 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: that reflect the diversity of lived experiences that enrich whatever 146 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 3: the outcome is, makes it more marketable and profitable, and 147 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: we all come. 148 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 5: Up versus the really simplistic. 149 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: Myopic, racist intention that I think comes from the redefinition 150 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: of it. 151 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: I just want to take time and talk to some 152 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: of the startups here because I definitely understand the frustration 153 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: around that, because even pre George Floyd, we've had a 154 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: hard time in raising funds. I of course try to 155 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: start a newsroom startup that and I was met with 156 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: a very unfriendly, unreceptive environment. I launched at the same 157 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: time as an outlet, the Skim, which was run by 158 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: two women who don't look like me. 159 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 4: I launched at the same time as. 160 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: Axios which is a political daily group of newsletter launched 161 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: by a bunch of men who don't look like me. 162 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: And I would go into some of these places like 163 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you all can relate, and I 164 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: would have to one define my humanity and second defend it, 165 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: and then define my intellect and then second defend it. 166 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: People would ask me, someone in half my age would 167 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: ask me to present the problem, and the problem was, 168 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: of course, there was not enough reliable information reaching people 169 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: who look like us. Mind you, this was twenty sixteen, 170 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: and this is a time when the Russian government was 171 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: interfering with news and information. They spent thirty seconds here 172 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: and said, oh, I know how we can interfere. They 173 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: don't treat black folks so well there, so let's start 174 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: flooding the zone with that. And people would ask me 175 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: if pepper me with questions and the conclusion was constantly, well, 176 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: black and brown people don't really care about news. How 177 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: are you going to prove this business model? Meanwhile, we 178 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: had unique one hundred thousand daily readers. The skim axios 179 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: they didn't have They had a concept and launched with 180 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: six and seven figure jobs or six and seven figure 181 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: platforms and so there was a study done by Rate 182 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: my Investor, which I'm sure you all may be familiar with, 183 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: at the lack of opportunity that black women get in investing, 184 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: and in twenty sixteen, the lack of opportunity that we 185 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: got cost America, not just us, but America billions of 186 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: dollars in commerce and millions of jobs. 187 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 4: So it's more we're denied. 188 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: We cut our nose off to spite our face in 189 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: this country, and we see how that's gone ten years later, 190 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: where there's still a dearth of information that does not 191 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: reach us. And so that's the moment that Native Land 192 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: tries to meet every week. When we launched, we were 193 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: the number one downloaded podcast in every single category across 194 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: every space on Apple News, and that's because of you all. 195 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: So it's important that we have your support, but we 196 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: also want to make sure that we're supporting you, and 197 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: that's why we want to hear from you as well 198 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: as we see our own testimony. 199 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 6: And to that point, there is a floating mic, and 200 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 6: so if you have a question, please make sure you 201 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 6: stand or comment. Please make sure you stand and stay 202 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 6: your name and where you're from. I will say quickly 203 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 6: while we're waiting for this. First comment is we also 204 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 6: are in a startup space. Tiff definitely blazed the trail. 205 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: But I want to know we focus group sometimes how 206 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: many of you all run your own company, start or 207 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: you're a startup. 208 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 6: There's a few hands, Oh, there's a good number of hands. 209 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 6: And then how many of you all are podcasters? 210 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 4: Okay, good number of hands too. 211 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 6: The reason why I'm asking that is because I think 212 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 6: that people don't always understand this is a grind like 213 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 6: at our big age. 214 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 4: We are grinding for real? Is it is like another startup? 215 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 5: Give a big age. 216 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: Somebody just celebrated a big one two days ago, happy birthday. 217 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 4: Well I turned forty six. But I don't look at 218 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 4: praise the lower neither do y'all? Do we have a question? 219 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: I thought somebody I was just showing where the mic is? 220 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 4: Is that a drunk? 221 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 5: The mic is over here to. 222 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 6: Okay, hey ya, okay, how you doing? 223 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 4: So? 224 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 5: We got a hand right here. 225 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 4: It needs some new oil. Nothing is loud. 226 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 5: It's a distraction. 227 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 4: Yes, sir, state your name where you're from. 228 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 7: He's got a podcast, Indiana's own Dana Black are Jana? Yeah, 229 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 7: what's happening now? Nicole told me to tell you how Yes, 230 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 7: I am also a podcaster. Tiffany, you on me spades game? 231 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 5: You know that? Right? 232 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 8: Okay say the word okay now. 233 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 7: One of the things I struggle with I am okay 234 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 7: with my podcast because it's just me controlling it. One 235 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 7: of the efforts that I have been trying to put 236 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 7: together is having a podcast where young people are talking 237 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 7: to young people and everyone talks about they're really interested 238 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 7: in doing the thing. But then when I try to 239 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 7: pull the meeting together to get the action moving, it's 240 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 7: very difficult to get them to sit down for thirty 241 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 7: minutes with me to do the what is the concept? 242 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 4: What are we going to do? 243 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 5: At fifty five? 244 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 7: I can't do the conversation to young people. 245 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 4: I need them to do this. 246 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 7: How do you manage to bring the ideas together and 247 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 7: get them flowing in the right direction? 248 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 6: We fight, we fight, We don't see anything the same. 249 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 6: And I think that's one of the big misnombers about 250 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 6: the show. 251 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 4: There's a huge. 252 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 6: Mythod It's like, oh, they're in an echo chamber. Ain't 253 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 6: nobody echoing in here? 254 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: And so I think the main thing is you have 255 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: to be willing to come to the table with your 256 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: thing and say this is the thing I know we 257 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: should be talking about. 258 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 4: I feel it in my gut. 259 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 6: One thing I love about our dynamic is if there's 260 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 6: anything that we all are some one person feels strongly about, 261 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 6: we yield. But they're also times where we don't yield. 262 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 6: You don't want to talk about any of those times. 263 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 4: Honestly, I think I think that is a good example. 264 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: Though we all have a different idea about approaches to 265 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,479 Speaker 1: the problem, so again, our conversations reflect the same conversations 266 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: that you guys are having. We all live in service 267 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: to the liberation of our people, but there are different 268 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: ideas about how to get there. There are many times 269 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: that I could reference, but I'll say more generally, I 270 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: think Angela, you're in a space where you want to 271 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: reach everyone you even people who I think are Sometimes 272 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: we're trying to be careful. 273 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 4: I'm trying to be. 274 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: Polite because I think sometimes people are nasty in their 275 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: discord and disrespectful to all of us, but sometimes to Angela, 276 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: and Angela sets ego aside and will go to that 277 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: group of people and say, here's what I'm trying to say, 278 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: and I invite you all to the conversation. 279 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 4: I think Andrew, sometimes. 280 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: You're y'all might see a fight right now, but I 281 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: think sometimes you're an institutionalist, like you believe like no 282 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: our government functions for this reason, and this is why 283 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: we have to participate. I think, you know, sometimes I 284 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: am really focused on informing folks, and so if people 285 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: don't want to receive that information, I'm like deuces, I 286 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: can't force some down your throat if you. 287 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 4: Don't want it. 288 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: And so if we're all coming at that from a 289 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: different perspective, hopefully we are reaching everybody, even people who 290 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: disagree with us. If there are people in an audience 291 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: right now, is like I walk all the time, and 292 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: people are like, I didn't like when you said or 293 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: gird love when you said, you tell Andrew blah blah blah, 294 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: or I kind of agree with Angela at this point, 295 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: I didn't agree with you, or I agree with you, 296 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: I didn't agree with Angela. And we invite those conversations 297 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: because a healthy exchange of intellectual ideas and ideology is 298 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: the only way we are going to see our way 299 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: out of this four hundred year nightmare that we have 300 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: somehow kept surviving. 301 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Dana's out of Indiana, and I know 302 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 3: the spaces all around this country don't always make themselves 303 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: warming to new ideas and disruption to media in the market. 304 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: Your point specifically about young people. 305 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 5: I mean, I think not for just young people. 306 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 3: I think in general, we're living at a time where 307 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 3: people want sort of the unpolished and the not necessarily 308 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 3: presentation ready version of things. 309 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 5: They want, How is it like? What does it really 310 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 5: look like? 311 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: In fact way, we negotiate that each week, from topic to topic, 312 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 3: we have a pre call with each other, and once 313 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: each of us are done pitching to each other what 314 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: we would like to talk about, we oftentimes cut the 315 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: conversation like we don't want to pie, don't say what 316 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 3: you really think, don't you know, don't do it here. 317 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 3: Let's do it when we're on the mic, so that 318 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: folks are truly welcomed into what the discourse is between 319 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: why a thing or why not a thing? 320 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 6: Andrew, we just got in trouble. We got to shorten 321 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 6: our response. I've done a lot of questions. That's it, okay, authors, 322 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 6: I have a question. 323 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 9: I'm right here, hey, friends, I I'm a Tiffany. I'm 324 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 9: Tiffany here is here from Houston. So my question for 325 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 9: you all is, I'm a mom and I have a 326 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 9: great community of children, none of which who like Trump. 327 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 9: But I want to frame I want to help them 328 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 9: frame the conversation in a way where they're not distrustful 329 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 9: and disliking of all the things, like I want them informed. 330 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 9: So how you know, and you guys all have three 331 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 9: very different perspectives, But what's the best way to help 332 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 9: young people frame the moment that we're in To help 333 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 9: empower them in a more proactive way as opposed to 334 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 9: a more reactive or hate or anything else that's happening. 335 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 9: I like, I want to empower them to feel like, yes, 336 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 9: this is a bad moment, but it's not the end 337 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 9: of the moment. 338 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 6: I one of the things that I point to, and 339 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 6: we'll even give you this example right now. You know, 340 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 6: for twenty four additional states, SNAP benefits are expected to 341 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 6: run out on November first, right before the holidays. 342 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 4: And one of the things that I'm so grateful I. 343 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 6: Shifted inadvertently my algorithm to see are the number of 344 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 6: ways in which black folks are coming together to meet 345 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 6: the needs of hungry kids and families all over this country. 346 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 4: So one thing that we know. 347 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 6: Is that when we all just do a little bit, 348 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 6: we can change the equation. 349 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 4: We can absolutely change the way this is played. 350 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: Should we be able to rely on our government after 351 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: everything that we've given to our government? 352 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 6: Absolutely, But can we rely on our government? It's something 353 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 6: entirely different. 354 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: And I think that if we accept what we don't 355 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: want to, which is that we may not be able to, 356 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: but we have everything we need, and God, we thank you, 357 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: we can make it. 358 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 4: So the short answer is we all we got Andrew. 359 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 3: Agreed, and I'll just say the beauty of history is 360 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: that oftentimes it tells. 361 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 5: A story of what we've overcome. 362 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 3: When we think about the Montgomery US Boycott, they didn't 363 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 3: start with the intention of being in protest. 364 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 5: For over a year. 365 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 3: They started believing they were going to protest for a day, 366 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 3: and then they met that evening and decided they were 367 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 3: going to keep the protest for the next day. 368 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 5: And they met again that evening and. 369 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 3: Decided they were going to keep the protest going until 370 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: they broke the wheel of the system. So history's important, 371 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 3: particularly for young folks, in that Yeah, this may be 372 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 3: the moment we're in right now, but it hasn't always 373 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: been this way and didn't always have to be this way, 374 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 3: and I think we ought to lean more on the 375 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: examples that I think show a path that we can overcome, 376 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 3: and we do overcome. 377 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 5: The question. 378 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 8: Hi Carla, Hi, my name is carloil Maris and this 379 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 8: is a podcast the congratulations to you guys. 380 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 4: My question is I have a company. 381 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 8: It's a production company for podcast since twenty seventeen, and 382 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 8: I've always focused only on black and round voices to 383 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 8: amplify them. When I came into space, it was a 384 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 8: very white space. 385 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 4: It still is. 386 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 8: So my question to you is a lot of people 387 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 8: come into the space. 388 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 4: It's demanding. 389 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 8: Podcasting is fun, you're looking at it, you're enjoying native 390 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 8: Land multiple times a week. But then I see everyone 391 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 8: putting their hands up. They want to do it or 392 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 8: they're in it. But you get tired and you get 393 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 8: burnt out, and if you have co hosts, there could 394 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 8: be you. 395 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 4: Know, discourse between you guys. 396 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 8: So can you, guys say how you managed to show 397 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 8: up on a weekly basis, because this is not a sprint, 398 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 8: it's a marathon, and it takes time to grow your 399 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 8: audience when you're not already a celebrity, but you're needed 400 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 8: in the space. 401 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 4: I just want to say. 402 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: Carla will Maris was my executive producer for another podcast 403 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: I hosted with Will Packer, so she has an amazing 404 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: podcast company and was great to work with and I 405 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: haven't seen her since. I'll hug you after after the discussion, 406 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: but thank you for the question. I think with all 407 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: of us, we one rule for me anyway, when we're 408 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: in person, even if there was a fight or discord 409 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: on the panel, I want to eat afterwards. I want 410 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: us all to be able to go out to eat 411 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: like we're gonna do when we get off this stage 412 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: and break bread and have a good time. And I 413 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: think keeping the disagreement on the podcast, I don't want 414 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 1: to talk after about the disagreement, Like if you got 415 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: a problem, so and I says say it on the podcast. 416 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 4: That is content. 417 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: The other thing that you really can't manufacture is we 418 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: are friends organically. We our friendship proceed to the podcast 419 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: and it won't change. The podcast will not change our 420 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: friendship ten years. So now you can ask me what's 421 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: going on, and what's going on Andrew, I'm gonna be 422 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: able to answer. So we're having conversations, and we're letting 423 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 1: the audience eavesdrop on those conversations. We show up as 424 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: our authentic selves. We're not performing for this. Whether the 425 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: cameras are rolling there or not, these conversations was going 426 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: to be happening. 427 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 5: We also take breaks from each other. 428 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, we typically taste the longest breaks from us. And 429 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: it gets on my nerves. 430 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 4: That's a podcast fight I'm gonna have right here, gets 431 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 4: on my nerves. Answer my calls. 432 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 3: Angela wants to talk about everything all the way through, 433 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 3: and sometimes it's like I heard. 434 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 5: What you say, I'm done with it, and we will 435 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 5: pick up the next day. 436 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: That dynamic is real because I remember as a youth 437 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: like watching groups that used to be great performance groups 438 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 3: and then you look up the next day and they 439 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 3: done broke up. And nobody knows why the group broke up, 440 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 3: because nobody ever talked about the fact. 441 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 5: That there's discord. 442 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it never When our discourse gets to the 443 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 3: point where I no longer trust their intention, any one 444 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: of them, or that at the end of the day 445 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 3: they don't have in mind or in heart like me 446 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: coming out good on the other side, then that's where 447 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 3: it starts to disrupt for me, but in our disagreements 448 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: personal on the show. Otherwise generally it's about a thing, 449 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 3: this moment, this incident, this thing, and not like I'm 450 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 3: not questioning the integrity of your character. 451 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 5: I don't disbelieve you, so on and so forth. 452 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 10: Hi, my name is Andrea. I'm based here in Houston 453 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 10: and my company is Black Sports Moms. I have an 454 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 10: amazing co founder that lives in Atlanta. So, piggybacking on 455 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 10: her question, we want to start a podcast. Logistically, you 456 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 10: guys all have fifty eleven jobs. How do you manage it? 457 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 10: Because we want to do it in person. Do you 458 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 10: guys do marathon shoot days? Do you do some virtual 459 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 10: where y'all both on screen? Because we want to start it, 460 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 10: but we want to get the best engagement with me 461 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 10: being in Houston, her being in Atlanta. 462 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 6: I really want to tell you that I wish that 463 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 6: you would watch our show. It's so clear you don't, 464 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 6: But I'm not going to say that. So what I 465 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 6: will say is sometimes we just recorded one hundred and 466 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 6: two episodes. 467 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 4: We do both. 468 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 6: Tiff says she likes to be in person. We're in 469 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 6: person right now. We do live shows. It just really 470 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 6: depends if you all have the travel budget to be 471 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 6: in person. Be in person. We don't do marathon shoot 472 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 6: days because it's new sensitive, it's a political and cultural show, 473 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 6: and I will just say it is a marathon. As 474 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 6: Carloss said, it's tip just alluded to. 475 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 4: So that's it. I don't think. 476 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 1: Thank you for the question, though, and we hope you 477 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: tune in. We are welcome home. 478 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 6: Got some tip filter on there, but I'm just saying, 479 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 6: don't ask me, don't quite go back and look, y'all. 480 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 5: As we were moving on, how about to the outer. 481 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 3: Skirts, there's some hands over here on the ou of skirts, 482 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 3: was like, move along, rightboy, got a min Yeah, can 483 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 3: you hear me? 484 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 5: Hi? My name is Marcelle Anderson. I'm a founder. Are 485 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 5: you back here? Guests? 486 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 3: Thank you. 487 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 11: I'm a founder CEO of It's AI tech company based 488 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 11: in Miami. So my question is actually for Andrew, especially 489 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 11: given that you guys are in the podcasting space. Now, 490 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 11: if we as we reflect upon Kamala's race and how 491 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 11: the allocation of resources with respect to reaching the people was, 492 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 11: I would say misallocated with respect to TV ads and billboards. 493 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 11: And we saw how Trump was able to effectively use 494 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 11: shows like Joe Rogan's podcast, etc. As you think about 495 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 11: the importance of going local and the importance of targeting 496 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 11: communities for galvanizing folks to win back states like Florida, 497 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 11: what do you think of as effective strategies or people 498 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 11: that you're throwing your weight behind to make sure we 499 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 11: can try to win back Florida given how powerful the 500 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 11: governor's seat is. 501 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, absolute brother up from Miami was born there, 502 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 3: and Florida a lot of people across the country declared 503 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 3: it's pretty much a lost state as relates to our politics. 504 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 3: I tend to agree with you. I think it is 505 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 3: a state that can be won if we're willing to compete. 506 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 3: And competition has to be more than words. 507 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 5: It's got to be matched in a budget. Right. 508 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: You mentioned, you know, the Hairs campaign and the appropriation 509 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 3: of media buys, and the truth is not just a 510 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 3: Hars campaign. Nearly any different a campaign run nationally almost anywhere, 511 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 3: has leaned into this very lateral, sort of non innovative 512 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: approach to engaging communities. They might do an appearance on 513 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 3: a podcast, but then you go back and trace the 514 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 3: ad dollars and all the money went to network television. Right, 515 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 3: we're not even a We're not even a percentage. We're 516 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 3: less than a decimal point of what they were spending 517 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 3: to reach our communities. And you know, my frustrations that 518 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 3: are pretty big high with institutional structures that are supposed 519 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 3: to serve and protect the things that I believe in 520 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: and hopefully you believe in. And much of it has 521 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: to do with the capitulation, the fact that so many 522 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 3: folks have been willing, willing to bend a need, so 523 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: willing to silence themselves and to absent themselves from a 524 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 3: healthy discourse that all we got is us. We are here, 525 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 3: you know, talking to each other, hopefully not exclusively, but 526 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: about Okay, the system seems to be collapsing at every turn. 527 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 5: Who's telling the truth of about it? 528 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 3: And I think increasingly viewers listeners are finding those voices 529 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 3: and connecting to them. But if you own a budget line, 530 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 3: if you're over a budget line around advertising, I hope 531 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: you'll make the point that you can't do this like 532 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: it's a one off transaction. If you're going to talk 533 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: to communities, especially communities of color, where you can move 534 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 3: votes and numbers, you need to be there, not to. 535 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 5: Date me once, but you got to marry me. 536 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 3: You got to be in relationship with me on a 537 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: regular basis, good times, bad times, and otherwise, so you 538 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 3: know when the community's in pain and when we're feeling 539 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 3: optimistic and prosperous, and then again, lift those voices up 540 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: as they show themselves. But ideally we've be in a 541 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 3: much better place where we are right now. 542 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 5: Is we kind of all we. 543 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 3: Got at the moment, and hopefully that that picture turns soon. 544 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am. 545 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 12: Hi, I'm Keisha, and this question is Tiffany. I used 546 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 12: to watch your show every Sunday, my husband and I, 547 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 12: so we really loved your show. So your show gave 548 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 12: a powerful platform to underrepresented voices, and after it ended, 549 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,239 Speaker 12: how did you reimagine your mission to be able to 550 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 12: amplify those same voices outside of traditional network spaces. 551 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: Thank you, I'm still reimagining. It's funny you should ask 552 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: that question right now, because literally, right now I'm trying 553 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: to harness resources to revisit that platform. I'm so grateful 554 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: for so many people who tuned in, who still tell 555 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: me they tuned in. And I say this with all 556 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: humility because I you know, I don't think that people 557 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: tuned in necessarily just to hear from me, but they 558 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: tuned in to hear from Indigenous voices who did not 559 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: have to talk about the indigenous community to be invited 560 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: to my show. You could be a person to talk 561 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: about Supreme Court justices, but you happen to have a dative. 562 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 4: Amer and background. 563 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: You could be from the API community and come on 564 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: my show and talk about. 565 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 4: You know, political discourse. 566 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: So I've really been trying to figure out how to 567 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: harness the rising majority and bring that back. I try 568 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: to do that on Native Land, but this is, you know, 569 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: an opinion podcast, and I do miss actual reporting and 570 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: journalism and introducing. So I try to do that as 571 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: much as I can on the show, but I am 572 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: looking for another outlet where I could actually report. So 573 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: stay tuned, is what I can say for now. And 574 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: just thank you for blessing me with the question. I'm 575 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: gonna take this moment because you asked that question to 576 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: just shout out somebody in the audience. Who's somebody who 577 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: I met through reporting on ground in Tulsa, and that 578 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: is to Mario Solomon Simmons, Please stand up to Mario. 579 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: To Mario is an attorney for the surviving members of 580 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: the Tulsa Massacre. He represents the Tulsa massacre and he 581 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: just won another As we talk about indigenous people, we 582 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: have to know that there are black Indigenous people who 583 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: are part of Creak Nation. Yes, and so he also 584 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: just won that case. And for anyone in the audience 585 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 1: who cares, I know he will want me to say this. 586 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: He is a proud member of Omega Sci Fi Fraternity Incorporated. 587 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 4: So I'm saying that because I know he would want 588 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,959 Speaker 4: me to say that the Mario you got a right 589 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 4: head check now. Yeah, we love you, brother. 590 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 5: I know. 591 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 4: We have a few more questions right here. Yes, how 592 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 4: y'all doing. My name is Carrie Gray. 593 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 13: I'm the founder and executive director of the Named Advocates, 594 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 13: our workers at the intersections of racial and disability justice. 595 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 13: Just a small plug. I would love to hear y'all 596 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 13: talk about disability justice more. 597 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 4: But my question is I'm. 598 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 13: Really curious of how y'all see the future of the 599 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 13: DEA framework. 600 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 4: Right now. 601 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 13: We are pushing for people to still use DEIA, but 602 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 13: the reality is our community is fractured. People are dropping it, 603 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 13: They're losing money. Some people couldn't wait to get away 604 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 13: from it. I'm curious if y'all see this as a 605 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 13: time to genuinely stick with it, or are y'all imagining 606 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 13: the future of what we could be doing around this work, 607 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 13: And is it called deia or something different. 608 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 6: I think that we have to detach ourselves from terms 609 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 6: and attach ourself to outcomes. We spend a lot of 610 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 6: time worried about what something is called, and I think 611 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 6: whether you call it belonging, we go together, justice, affirmative action, 612 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 6: just action. 613 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 4: It's about damn time. 614 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 6: Whatever you call the program, right, we just need to 615 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 6: make sure that the outcomes are. 616 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 4: Attached to our collective liberation. 617 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 6: I appreciate you adding in and stating it here deia. 618 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 6: I will be more mindful of utilizing that. But one 619 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 6: thing that I love that we've done from our very 620 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 6: first show, Andrew talked about Native Lamp Pod being a 621 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 6: safe space for us virtually to convene because we are 622 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 6: so so disparate and where we live now, we don't 623 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 6: live next door to each other like our folks used 624 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 6: to do back in the day. So please, when you 625 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 6: see us not mentioning something, send in a video let 626 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 6: us know. 627 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: And that goes for all of you. If there's something 628 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: we need to speak to, if you don't like something. 629 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 6: We said, we've been in a lot of beef since 630 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 6: Bakari got on the show. 631 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 4: So if there's. 632 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: Anything, if there's anything you want to share, by all means, 633 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: you can send in a comment or a question. 634 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 6: We'd love to hear from y'all. It's your home too, 635 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 6: so that's why we say welcome home, y'all. 636 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree to It matters what the outcomes are, 637 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 3: but it also matters that a thing be called a thing, 638 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 3: largely because we didn't know about how reckless a lot 639 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: of companies were in their spending toward people of color, 640 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 3: or how many employees with disabilities or different abilities they had. 641 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: We didn't learn that stuff until we started requiring, largely 642 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 3: through government that they counted. And I was always told, 643 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 3: you count what matters, and you call a thing something 644 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 3: when it matters. And largely I found in a lot 645 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 3: of places where they don't name when they are making diversity, 646 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 3: equity and inclusion i A investments, then everybody gets called 647 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 3: to the C suites and they're scattering trying to figure 648 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 3: out how they can composite some data together that makes 649 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 3: them not look like they're keeping certain communities outside of 650 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 3: of of of of the benefit here. So to me, 651 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 3: it matters that you call a thing something because when 652 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 3: you call it something, usually can. 653 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 4: Andrew because here's the thing. 654 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 6: There are a lot of places that call a thing 655 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 6: a thing, and the only beneficiaries are white women. 656 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 3: I don't That's why I agree with you the outcomes 657 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 3: the outcome. The outcomes also matter. But right now you 658 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 3: wanted to go to France and find out how many 659 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 3: folks are owning black businesses, say they're. 660 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 5: In France, they don't. 661 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 3: Your identity as a Frenchman French woman is just that 662 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 3: there's no black French, there's no Afro French, there's no 663 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 3: any of that. And they take it out of state 664 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 3: of pride that they don't have those divisions. And I said, well, well, 665 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 3: how do you find the data when you're trying to. 666 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 6: Find so let me push back on this too, because 667 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 6: even recently he had the essential dismantling of the Disadvantage 668 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 6: Business Enterprise Program through DOT through the Department of Transportation. 669 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 6: Disadvantaged Business Enterprise stands, but they have gutted it of 670 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 6: gender and racial consideration. So you called the thing a thing, 671 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 6: but it's not going to have the same impact. 672 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 3: Well, this is a line ass administration, and so it's 673 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 3: hard to ability. 674 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 5: Sort of figure out what's what. 675 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 3: But I will say this to bridge the divide here 676 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 3: is I think you absolutely the outcomes absolutely matter, right, 677 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 3: the outcomes of a thing absolutely matter. To call it 678 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: something also matters to me. But in a perfect scenario, 679 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 3: a perfect scenario would be that it lives in the 680 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 3: bloodstream of the entity. That if diversity is important to 681 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 3: you know, I'm not calling out, but you can see 682 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: in my C suite and my F suite and whatever 683 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 3: sus have that it means something because based off the 684 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 3: diversity that you can either visibly see or once you 685 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 3: get into the data stale on paper. 686 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: It's producer Lol is right there and she says, we 687 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: have to wrap this answer. 688 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 4: So next question, how you're doing, Tiffany. 689 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 14: My name is Adam Harris. I'm a creative director at 690 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 14: Proud Kids Club, and my wife spent on your show 691 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 14: multiple times before you got canceled. Her name is lynn Wynn. Yeah, 692 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 14: and my daughter. 693 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: Lad She a woman of Asian American woman who likes 694 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: to have on the show. She had so much flavor 695 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,439 Speaker 1: and always had the She gave it to a straight 696 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: no chaser every time, so thank you. 697 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 4: Please tell her I say, hi, sorry, y'all. 698 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 5: That will take pictures. 699 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 4: But my question is, let me see how I can 700 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 4: with this. 701 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 5: How are we. 702 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 14: Gonna teach our elders how to tell difference from AI 703 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 14: videos and real videos? How are we gonna bridge the 704 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 14: gap in between that? And you know, because my mom's 705 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 14: sending me like four to five videos a day looked 706 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 14: at this steer, you know, jumping on a trampoline, and 707 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 14: then celebrities selling fake products, Like, how do we bridge 708 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 14: that gap? 709 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 3: That is we bridge it first with us, because I'd 710 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 3: be saying something, think it is real, Well, I'm not 711 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 3: close to the sixty. 712 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 5: That I am in the forty. 713 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: So so as Times talks about AI a lot in 714 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,919 Speaker 1: the dangers of it that it represents specifically for us, 715 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: I think sometimes people get so excited with it like 716 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: it's a new toy without attaching to it critical thinking 717 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: and what it means for our community. We know in 718 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: this room AI is neither artificial nor is it intelligent. 719 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 4: It's feeding off what we give it. 720 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: But when you look at the Internet's comments section, think 721 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: about it. AI is all up and through there grasping 722 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 1: information from that. The best example that I can give 723 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: that's been written about multiple times. You ask Ai chat GPC, 724 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: for example, does Israel have the right to exist? 725 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 4: You get back immediate yes. 726 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: If you ask AI, does Palestine have the right to exist, 727 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: the answer is way different. Well, it's complicated. Well we 728 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: have to look at this. That shows bias right there. Now, 729 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: that is your own Palestine Middle very complex Middle East policy. 730 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: Think about when it comes to black folks here in 731 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: America and what kind of information that people are using 732 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: and building. Moreover, AI is the thing that's doing the learning, 733 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: not us. So when you think about how it's pumped 734 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: into our newsrooms, into our social media feeds, it is 735 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: terrifying to. 736 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 4: Answer a question. 737 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: I do not believe we will be able to get 738 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: ahead of this before it gets ahead of us. Even 739 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: with Sora and the new technology there, it's already being 740 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 1: manipulated by other people. 741 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 4: All it is a video clip. 742 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: You can just clip edit the Sora out of the video, 743 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: and it's already happening. More dangerously, think about what it's 744 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: doing to our politics. Just this month, we saw Donald 745 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: Trump use an AI video to show himself defecating on 746 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: the no Kings parades across the country, wearing a crown 747 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: which happened to be a queen's crown. It wasn't even 748 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: a king's crown. Genius, but he showed this video and 749 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,720 Speaker 1: people believe that. During the election, they showed a video 750 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: of Joe Biden and spliced it so look like he 751 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: was falling asleep during an interview that never happened. But 752 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: critical thinking people see this and believe it. So I 753 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: would ask all of us share responsibly, think critically before 754 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: you comment on something. 755 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 4: Thinking is real. You can always. 756 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: Double and triple check before you share something like that. 757 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 1: But it's something that I'm terrified, and I ask people 758 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: in here who works on AI. My question to you 759 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: is are we looking at more sci fi or more 760 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: horror story? 761 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 4: And right now it feels like more horror story. 762 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 6: And to that end, sadly, it's horrific that we're going 763 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 6: to have to come to a close. But first we're 764 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 6: going to do calls to action. We don't we have 765 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 6: a cause to action, So whoever wants to start, okay, 766 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 6: I won't hold you here. 767 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 5: We go. 768 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 6: My call to action first is to please make sure 769 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 6: that you are talking to people who you don't always 770 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 6: agree with. 771 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 4: Make sure you're. 772 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 1: Listening to things, watching things, reviewing things that you don't 773 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: necessarily understand. I think, Tiff, what you were just saying 774 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: about AI is perfect case in point. 775 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 6: I am trying to learn how to use this thing, 776 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,919 Speaker 6: so this thing don't use me understand. So my call 777 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 6: to action would be to please make sure, even while 778 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 6: you're here, get to know somebody in your black family, 779 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 6: tell them how you doing, wait and listen to the answer, 780 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 6: and definitely make sure you connect with folks you don't 781 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 6: agree with. 782 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: My call to action is if you had a question 783 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,919 Speaker 1: or comment that we did not get to, please drop 784 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: us a video. They will tell you I'm so intentional. 785 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: Every week I yield my time. Sometimes I'll say I 786 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: don't have a topic. I'd rather as use this time 787 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: just to hear from our viewers. If you're new to 788 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: the platform, we welcome you home to tune in and 789 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: please feel welcome in this space. And yeah, please, if 790 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,800 Speaker 1: you had a question for any of us or a topic, 791 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: I'd love the suggestion that we speak more about this 792 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,439 Speaker 1: dibility we had. Another person asked that same question last 793 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 1: year on the campaign trail, so anything, there's literally nothing 794 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,479 Speaker 1: you can say that we don't play on the show. 795 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 4: We want you to feel at home. 796 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: So if you had your hand up and we didn't 797 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: get you, please you can how they get it to 798 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: us Lolo. They can DM it to our Instagram at 799 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: native lampid and they can can they email it anywhere. 800 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,919 Speaker 1: I'll give y'all, I'll sweet out Angela's cell phone number 801 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: and y'all can just text it to her directly and 802 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: get us video beyond. 803 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 3: People Andrew, it's fashionable to not do politics these days. 804 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 5: It's dirty. 805 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 3: It ends you up in conflict and fights and and 806 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 3: conversations you don't think you're fully. 807 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 5: Qualified to have. 808 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 3: But politics, by definition is just the study of people. 809 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 3: And as just in this conversation, I had so many 810 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 3: sort of policy related responses I'd like to offer, but 811 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 3: the truth is is often hedge it because people like 812 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,320 Speaker 3: to stay away from the political and I would just say, 813 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 3: as Joy Reeve says, politics is doing us every day, 814 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 3: whether it's how we get our parents to understand what 815 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 3: an artificial video is versus what's real, or how we 816 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 3: get a regulatory environment around artificial intelligence that keeps the 817 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,800 Speaker 3: American people at the center of it and not profit 818 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 3: or how it is you curate in your own community 819 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 3: conversations that are relatable to the people who live there 820 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 3: versus what they're being fed. Politics is all up, through, beneath, 821 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 3: under intertwined with all of it, and so I wish 822 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 3: we could redefine how it is we think about politics 823 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 3: as a season and an election and really consider it 824 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 3: as it's. 825 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 5: Every day, it's all the time. Twenty four to seven. 826 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 3: Those decisions are the ones at the beginning and the 827 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 3: end of the day that are affecting your life and 828 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 3: your livelihood, your ability to survive versus your ability to thrive. 829 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 5: To them, You're. 830 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,399 Speaker 1: Gale, Tiffany Cross, and I'm Angela Rye. 831 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 6: Where Native Lampid y'all Welcome home. Native Lampid is a 832 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 6: production of iHeartRadio and partnership with Reising Choice Media. For 833 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,240 Speaker 6: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 834 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 6: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.