Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles. We
Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by
Speaker 1: a physician, a musician, and a podcastitiondition you go with that,
Speaker 1: the host of the very fun, incredibly informative podcast House
Speaker 1: of pot It's doctor cave Holder. Wow, thank you. This
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Speaker 2: I feel like I want to contest and I'm to
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Speaker 1: So thank you, And I feel I have to say
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I'm on your show on one of
Speaker 1: the big news weeks of the year. I'm so sorry
Speaker 1: that it's me. So sorry.
Speaker 3: Nothing happened.
Speaker 1: We got that out of the way, and we know
Speaker 1: we knocked that ship out yesterday. We are good here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mobility issues, things like that.
Speaker 1: But just to be clear, yeah, you should feel as
Speaker 1: a expert physician and a great podcast so you should
Speaker 1: feel very grateful to be on our dumb podcast. It
Speaker 1: is entirely appropriate, odd enough, because imposter syndrome is super
Speaker 1: real okay, yeah to that and not a real.
Speaker 2: You guys are fantastic. You know what, I actually listen
Speaker 2: to your podcast. I bet you have a lot of
Speaker 2: guests they're too cool for school and they come on
Speaker 2: and their podcasters and they're like, don't actually listen.
Speaker 1: I actually listened to you. So yeah, we listened to yours.
Speaker 4: So, doctor k we have a Christy Gucci Mane, one
Speaker 4: of our favorites. Oh yeah yeah yeah, favorite listeners and
Speaker 4: guests of this podcast has.
Speaker 1: Been on your show multiple times. He has he has
Speaker 1: fun so funny. All right, Doctor Hoda, what's the comment comment?
Speaker 1: Come on, bro, come on dude. My life is a
Speaker 1: physician too, and she makes me call her doctor O'Brien.
Speaker 3: So that's that sounds excite specific your marriage?
Speaker 1: All right, it's my kink. What what can I say?
Speaker 3: Always playing doctor but it's not even the exam. It's
Speaker 3: just in a waiting room. Yeah, it's a doctor gonna
Speaker 3: see me yet?
Speaker 1: No, no, she's still refusing to see me, not answering
Speaker 1: my calls for weeks at a time. It makes you
Speaker 1: fill out forms when you come home. It's all paperwork basically, wait.
Speaker 3: Oh no, way, you lost the intake for him again,
Speaker 3: I guess I'll fill it out here board here I go.
Speaker 1: All right, very not exciting COVID. We are going to
Speaker 1: get into some questions we have as medical idiots. Just generally,
Speaker 1: your show does a good job of just kind of
Speaker 1: addressing some of the myths, some of the things that
Speaker 1: people are ignoring that they should be paying maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit more attention to. But before we get to that,
Speaker 1: we do like to get to know our guests a
Speaker 1: little bit better by asking you, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history that is revealing about who you are?
Speaker 2: Okay, so what I just I just released an episode
Speaker 2: of my podcast today and I was researching some stuff
Speaker 2: for it, and I was looking on a pretty deep
Speaker 2: dive into insulin and some of the products in your
Speaker 2: blood that can show you if you're getting insulin from
Speaker 2: the outside of your body, like you're injecting it, or
Speaker 2: if your body's making it. And the reason I was
Speaker 2: doing that is because we just did an episode a
Speaker 2: follow up on Lucy let Be. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you're familiar with her. She is the nurse in the
Speaker 2: UK that was convicted last year of murdering seven babies
Speaker 2: in a intensive care unit. Yeah, it was a yeah,
Speaker 2: crazy story. We covered it last year, but since that
Speaker 2: time there has been this there's been a rising, you know,
Speaker 2: criticism of some of the defense that she had and
Speaker 2: whether or not they did a piss poor job or not,
Speaker 2: and whether or not there's a chance she could be innocent.
Speaker 2: So it's really kind of changed the game a little bit,
Speaker 2: and so we had to revisit some of the stuff.
Speaker 2: And one of the things was looking at insulin because
Speaker 2: if you get insulin from your own body, then you
Speaker 2: also have this thing called sea peptide that may show up.
Speaker 2: But if someone's injecting insulin into you and maybe too much,
Speaker 2: it can become harmful, especially to a little baby that
Speaker 2: may not need it, and that could be fatal to
Speaker 2: a really sick kid, and you won't get this thing
Speaker 2: called seapeptide in there. So it's something we check in
Speaker 2: the blood sometimes pretty rarely, but some of the case
Speaker 2: comes down to this question and whether or not that's
Speaker 2: a really youthful test or not. So I was going
Speaker 2: on a pretty deep dive to try and figure this
Speaker 2: out because it's a complicated question even for doctors and
Speaker 2: for people I'm not endocrinologists or anything. But I think
Speaker 2: even in that world, it's it can be challenging. So
Speaker 2: that's the latest thing on my my my searcher, my
Speaker 2: search browser, and probably going to get me into trouble
Speaker 2: all the recent looking up I did of dead babies.
Speaker 1: But hopefully this show helps create an alibi. There you go,
Speaker 1: and that that is what we are here for. So
Speaker 1: you're just like you're just solving medical mysteries like an
Speaker 1: episode of House over here, just on a basis most
Speaker 1: accurate medical show around absolute. I'm just kidding, what is
Speaker 1: the most generate? That's something that people always ask my wife,
Speaker 1: but she has her answer, what's your answer?
Speaker 2: I'm curious to know her answer. I think they're okay,
Speaker 2: there's no great show for it, because like an accurate
Speaker 2: depiction of medicine would be pretty boring. Would be like
Speaker 2: a group of doctors sitting in a room going over
Speaker 2: like charts and and like talking about like esoteric things
Speaker 2: and talking about electrolyte levels. That would be pretty boring.
Speaker 2: But I think the show that kind of gets like
Speaker 2: the pathos of medicine the best is R So.
Speaker 1: I think, like she says, yea scrubs, I didn't know
Speaker 1: if it was because we were just watching it at
Speaker 1: the time, and also she was going scrubs like friends,
Speaker 1: We're just the medical show.
Speaker 3: I don't know the NBA playoffs, do you know?
Speaker 1: Actually who did a good job.
Speaker 2: This is gonna sound funny, but the show Lost. They
Speaker 2: covered a lot of medical topics in that show, and
Speaker 2: they did it really I thought pretty well, like crush
Speaker 2: injuries and illness and uh fiber, they all these little
Speaker 2: things come up in the show. I think they probably
Speaker 2: had a pretty good like medical advisor on that show.
Speaker 3: When Jack Shepherd said that woman was gonna dance at
Speaker 3: her wedding, was that was that surgery possible? Because I
Speaker 3: feel like that was like the huge one. He's like,
Speaker 3: you're gonna dance at your wedding and then she would
Speaker 3: remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I I I'm sure it probably isn't. But
Speaker 2: I mean they're all kind of bad.
Speaker 1: But you're just mainly referring to the fact that, like
Speaker 1: you can with the right magical island cure somebody who's
Speaker 1: been paralyzed from the waist down. That's mainly what you're well,
Speaker 1: it's the one trick doctors don't want you to know
Speaker 1: exactly that is. That is our only question for you
Speaker 1: when we get to the medical part is.
Speaker 3: Onlogists don't want you to know exactly. Other question, Uh,
Speaker 3: do doctors use Google? Like if you're trying to responsibly
Speaker 3: like is there I mean, I'm sure there is it?
Speaker 1: Is it Google too? Yeah, well I'll tell you this, doctors.
Speaker 1: I'll say it like this.
Speaker 2: Doctors definitely look stuff up, and they should, like I mean,
Speaker 2: for most of the stuff they're dealing with, they don't
Speaker 2: need to every now and then there is going to
Speaker 2: be something that comes across that they haven't encountered for
Speaker 2: a while that they need to like review or fresh
Speaker 2: or there's some sort of like lab test they need
Speaker 2: to review, and you want someone who's willing to do that.
Speaker 2: Of course, the major difference is doctors we have a
Speaker 2: sense of where to go to find the information. We're
Speaker 2: not usually using Google. We have like search engines that
Speaker 2: are specifically for doctors, and we actually have like paid
Speaker 2: sites like that we would go to that give us
Speaker 2: sort of breakdown of things that we pay for like
Speaker 2: a yearly subscription for that help us at least points
Speaker 2: in the right direction. So, yeah, if you're if you
Speaker 2: see a doctor looking something up, don't freak out necessarily
Speaker 2: if you see them looking it up from like epoch times.
Speaker 1: That could be a problem, not be good.
Speaker 3: I'm using the right Yeah, yeah, the symptoms you could have,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I gotta just keep it. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Are you feeling like a character super Mario's.
Speaker 1: I don't let my doctor look anything up. I don't
Speaker 1: let them talk to another doctor because that's cheating. I
Speaker 1: make sure that they kiss clean before they perform surgery.
Speaker 1: This is all about what you can do, no cheating.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is as underrated.
Speaker 5: Underrated, vastly underrated, should be talked about the most often
Speaker 5: are big, giant, stupid tiki drinks. I love these giant
Speaker 5: tiki drinks. I love tiki culture.
Speaker 1: I'm all in.
Speaker 5: Give me tiki bars, give me hilarious tiki bars and
Speaker 5: tiki culture feel like if couples and struggling marriages worked
Speaker 5: on it instead of getting into swinging.
Speaker 3: Right, that's like, that's like the furthest it goes like.
Speaker 5: If you get sing, you just go to cruises. If
Speaker 5: you work on it, you just hang at tiki bars
Speaker 5: and you really like goofy drinks with funny names.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, the the most problematic we get is
Speaker 3: the white gays on Polynesian culture.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's how we get.
Speaker 5: And that's the name of one of the Pina Colada drinks,
Speaker 5: A y Z and I love the I'm all in.
Speaker 5: I just decided this is what I like now and
Speaker 5: I don't. I want to go to tiki bars. I
Speaker 5: think they're funny. I think they're weird. They have old
Speaker 5: One of the coolest bars in the world is a
Speaker 5: Tiki Tea in Los Angeles. I really love these things.
Speaker 1: I just want to go.
Speaker 5: Everyone's friendly and it's funny, and it's dark inside, and
Speaker 5: the drinks are hilarious.
Speaker 1: Before we started recording, it was mainly like you started
Speaker 1: noticing your affection increase around Charlottesville, right, You're like, I did.
Speaker 1: I did the torches.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, that drove prices up, and if you look up
Speaker 5: driving in Charlottesville, it's not good either.
Speaker 1: So it's because it's.
Speaker 3: Just reopened, I think, right, because they were closed for
Speaker 3: a minute.
Speaker 5: I think tragically someone in their family passed away.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: What I love about t et is they seem to
Speaker 5: own their land and their business and their property, and
Speaker 5: they're right in the middle of Silver Lake. But they
Speaker 5: don't need to be opened that much. They are just
Speaker 5: you know, this is such la insider baseball. But they're
Speaker 5: next to the Scientology production Center and they haven't sold
Speaker 5: their land to it yet, and I love that there
Speaker 5: are like an acre of land next door. They just
Speaker 5: closed for months. They're like, we're closed for August and
Speaker 5: September so our employees can chill. They don't know anyone anything.
Speaker 5: Only twenty people can go inside.
Speaker 1: I love them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm all in on tiki drinks.
Speaker 1: What's It's so funny.
Speaker 3: I was at City Walk and I went to Bubba
Speaker 3: Gump Shrimp and the got like a tiki like an
Speaker 3: tiki drink, and they're like, you know, for like an
Speaker 3: extra buck, you can take the glass home with you.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yes, wait, really, yeah, I have the
Speaker 3: dumbest right now. I haven't used it, but I have
Speaker 3: a Bubba Gump Shrimp tiki glass. It's there's something I
Speaker 3: don't know what it is, Kyle, I'm here with you.
Speaker 3: There's just something so campy but comforting about this weird
Speaker 3: parallel universe, like where like this tiki shit.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just I love it.
Speaker 5: I want to say victory.
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, just just wrote for one dollar
Speaker 1: three question marks, and then we just saw a Victor
Speaker 1: shaped hole in the wall behind him. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, the thing is you could also have taken it
Speaker 5: home for free.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they're trying to get you to pay.
Speaker 5: A dollar to not steal it and to feel okay
Speaker 5: about theft, because I'm sure enough of them.
Speaker 1: Walked out the door.
Speaker 5: It was like the the the uh Moscow mules mug,
Speaker 5: great theft of twenty fourteen that where every bar went
Speaker 5: under investing in them.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie, bro the Griffin, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 3: was taking your fucking copper mugs full before you were
Speaker 3: asking for IDs.
Speaker 5: I would know when they started asking they would hold
Speaker 5: your id if you got a moscow.
Speaker 1: For the copper mug. I'm like, no, figure, this is mine.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I have way too many of those. I'm
Speaker 3: not proud of them, but it is fourtiky glasses. Give
Speaker 3: me the give me nice.
Speaker 1: What are tiky glasses? They're they're just like.
Speaker 3: There's like ceramic with like painted.
Speaker 5: You know, sort of like a weird face or a
Speaker 5: mass looking thing or like a parrot or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's like, uh, Margueritaville without the ticketmaster fees o.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice, precisely. What's something you guys think it's overrated
Speaker 1: being awake?
Speaker 6: Honestly right now, consciousness, I just feel like there's just
Speaker 6: so many times that I'm just like, I don't know
Speaker 6: what else to do other than take a nap. I
Speaker 6: need to. It's like tapping out. It's like closing the
Speaker 6: laptop screen of reality, and I just need to do
Speaker 6: that so often. And I just feel like there's so
Speaker 6: many like who what wouldn't be solved by people taking
Speaker 6: a nap, Like all of the the assholes, the oppressors,
Speaker 6: take a nap. Just take a nash Yeah, just sushush
Speaker 6: hi and.
Speaker 3: Good night, so they don't enter they don't enter your
Speaker 3: dreams too, Freddy style. Yeah, it's Freddy Krueger's style for me.
Speaker 3: Then I have dreams like I'm in the Resource Wars.
Speaker 6: True, Kim and I are actually not afraid of Freddy Krueger.
Speaker 6: We already know how we would defeat him, and mine
Speaker 6: would be punching up all of his one liners, and
Speaker 6: Kim's would be either laughing sincerely at them and complimenting
Speaker 6: him on his.
Speaker 1: One you're so funny or you're so cute.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just become Freddy Kruger.
Speaker 6: Or what's worse is and I've been on the receiving
Speaker 6: end of this, and it hurts if if you make
Speaker 6: a joke you don't get and Kim doesn't think it's funny.
Speaker 6: There's no polite laughter, there's no like a good one.
Speaker 6: It's just a blank stare where you just feel like
Speaker 6: you have all the time in the world to contemplate
Speaker 6: where you went wrong in every aspect of your life.
Speaker 1: Sorry, he'd just cut off or cut or something. Take it,
Speaker 1: never mind.
Speaker 6: Do you want to hear the joke again?
Speaker 1: Did you not get it?
Speaker 8: Or yeah?
Speaker 6: So I don't about Freddy her dreams in my naps,
Speaker 6: I don't worry about.
Speaker 3: Making jokes, making jokes to my mom. Should do the
Speaker 3: same thing. Just be like it was. It's the facial
Speaker 3: equivalent of like, so you're into that, huh, proud of
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 6: It's it's just it's debilitating.
Speaker 1: It sticks like you.
Speaker 3: It's worse than like someone saying, dude, shut up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, honestly, I'd like it would welcome Kim being like
Speaker 6: you are such a dumb bitch, Like I would welcome it.
Speaker 6: But yeah, sometimes that's all you have to offer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it. It's power though, it's power, its power.
Speaker 6: It's power.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate that. I appreciate those displays of power
Speaker 1: being awake. I feel that I had to do. You ever,
Speaker 1: like remember your dream too? Well, Like I had a
Speaker 1: dream last night. Yeah, and it was just like I
Speaker 1: spent the whole night looking for a bag and it
Speaker 1: was like just it was like I know, I left
Speaker 1: it in this house, this cottage on and just it
Speaker 1: was not there and I would just keep it was
Speaker 1: so boring and so frustrating and just like so I
Speaker 1: don't know, but were you.
Speaker 6: Able to trace it back to like something that you're
Speaker 6: struggling with in your consciousness?
Speaker 1: No, I just I just came back from a trip
Speaker 1: and probably there was like some stress that I'd leave
Speaker 1: a bag behind. It's like very straightforward, nothing interesting or
Speaker 1: like you know, no textures, just like yeah, and what
Speaker 1: was in the bag. It was my mom No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was just like some clothes or some ship anyways.
Speaker 1: So I agree. I love I love especially that moment
Speaker 1: like as you're drifting off, when like the brain chemicals
Speaker 1: just start dumping in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: But then yeah, the dreams, my dreams. I just have
Speaker 1: notes for my dreams, like some yeah, some network fucking weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, last night I had one. I was I was
Speaker 3: working at an immersive theme park, like as a tour guide,
Speaker 3: but also I had to I know, but here's the thing.
Speaker 3: I had to pee, so like in real life it
Speaker 3: was time for me to pee, and yeah, I got
Speaker 3: to pee, but like I'm still doing this tour and
Speaker 3: it was like torn between like, ah, fuck, what do
Speaker 3: I do?
Speaker 1: And then pardon me? Was like dude, I gotta piss.
Speaker 3: And then I just kind of came out of the
Speaker 3: dream and then I tried to catch it like going back, you.
Speaker 1: Know how sometimes like I'm going back in.
Speaker 9: You just.
Speaker 3: No, it's been a while I've not like the closest
Speaker 3: I've come because I used to like as a kid,
Speaker 3: I remember my dreams when I pee the bed. I
Speaker 3: was peeing in the dream, like I found a bathroom
Speaker 3: and I started peeing, and then I'd like, oh, spaghettio bles,
Speaker 3: my bed is all wet. But now when I in
Speaker 3: a dream, when I see the bathroom, like I think
Speaker 3: I've become aware.
Speaker 1: Enough in my dreams. I'm like, oh, bro, you you're
Speaker 1: about to piss the bed. And I'm like, it's a dream.
Speaker 1: You did that when he was drunk a lot. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: without the dreams. I just did it. It was my
Speaker 1: calling card for a number of years. What Kim, what
Speaker 1: is something you think is underrated or over Let's go
Speaker 1: with overrated. Let's try that.
Speaker 7: I had a hard time with this one, but I
Speaker 7: did have to google some options.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure.
Speaker 7: I put unboxing videos, Okay, don't get it. I don't
Speaker 7: know if those are still a thing. I think for
Speaker 7: kids like the best, like the biggest kid YouTubers are
Speaker 7: like unboxers. Yeah, but I don't get it, Like why
Speaker 7: do I want to watch you? Yeah, get pretty cool thing?
Speaker 7: And then I don't have that cool thing, and then
Speaker 7: I just watch you have it.
Speaker 3: I think if you know you have no chance of
Speaker 3: getting it, then the next best thing is watching someone
Speaker 3: open it and just so you can see what all
Speaker 3: the cool stuff that it comes with is someone who
Speaker 3: would watch them and be like, why the fuck? Because
Speaker 3: I want I watched him. I felt like it was
Speaker 3: right after I forget which financial crash, but one of
Speaker 3: them I was like, oh, man, what's in this Like,
Speaker 3: what's in this new fangled like tech thing that I
Speaker 3: can't afford? And I was like, Oh, that's cool, that's cool,
Speaker 3: And then but I, yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 6: I don't I think I'm too covetous of a person.
Speaker 3: You'd covet your neighbors on boxing.
Speaker 1: Oh so you're just like mad that they got it,
Speaker 1: and yeah, fuck you. Yeah you're just saying you think
Speaker 1: you're better than me under your breath all the time.
Speaker 1: It feels like that feels like.
Speaker 3: An only child thing. Like I feel like I would
Speaker 3: be doing that as an only child, Like fuck, because
Speaker 3: I remember I remember being at birthday parties as a kid.
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, they got that? Fuck Like.
Speaker 3: No, I'd be like, man, I would have I would
Speaker 3: have played the funk out of that toy, but then
Speaker 3: throw it on their pilots have one hundred toys.
Speaker 1: It just got I.
Speaker 6: Would just befriend them so that I could go over
Speaker 6: to their house and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And break it so they can never have it again.
Speaker 6: Yeah, or or try to be like we're trying to
Speaker 6: bring like a less cool toy over and be like,
Speaker 6: look who this thing is. You can have it if
Speaker 6: you want, Maybe I could we can trade it for like,
Speaker 6: I don't know, like that that thing that's not even
Speaker 6: that cool at all.
Speaker 1: I heard it's like for babies.
Speaker 3: Dude, Yeah, it's whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, this is like, this is cool. It's
Speaker 3: like a laser toy from Japan, but a toy to
Speaker 3: help you out, just to help you out.
Speaker 1: Dude. Wow, Oh really you like that? I want the
Speaker 1: back of the nose laughter. I feel like that's okay, okay, wait,
Speaker 1: so that was on your wish list? Oh?
Speaker 6: Really like back of the nose laughter as a description.
Speaker 8: That's great.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna steal that.
Speaker 3: Watch out, he's litigious, will come after you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and everything you own. If I hear you saying that.
Speaker 6: Well, I kind of think back of the nose laughing
Speaker 6: is for babies, though. Don't you think.
Speaker 1: I was just joking about being regious? I think it sucks. Actually, whatever,
Speaker 1: what else, it's yours, it's yours. Actually, I fucking hate it.
Speaker 1: I think it's all right, let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and we'll come back and we'll talk about Jadie Vance.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. And so, I
Speaker 1: don't know there was a lot of conversation around like
Speaker 1: how Trump was gonna walk away from the assassination attempt,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's like he was going to be changed,
Speaker 1: he was gonna be a unifier, and it seems like
Speaker 1: some things haven't changed at the very least. No, that
Speaker 1: is his willingness to grift to make that money.
Speaker 3: And he's already ranting, you know, just like fire and
Speaker 3: brimstone type shit. So the unifying thing, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know where that from aside from like a
Speaker 3: talking point.
Speaker 1: But we'll see.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's yet to actually give his real speech
Speaker 3: at the RNC, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the.
Speaker 3: Grift on his almost martyredom has begun because now one
Speaker 3: of his companies is selling shitty sneakers with that now
Speaker 3: famous image of him bloodied and fist pumping, and these
Speaker 3: limited edition high tops here. I'll share it with the
Speaker 3: class meg in case you need to see these, because
Speaker 3: they are they are fantastic. They look like something you'd
Speaker 3: put together on a word document. Just be like, okay,
Speaker 3: let me drag this, let me drag this.
Speaker 8: Or is generous. I think I think this is like me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're right, it is MS paint and like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's true. It has his like fist pumpy, bloody face
Speaker 3: on it with the words fight, Fight, Fight on the
Speaker 3: soul And I know this is clearly a mock up
Speaker 3: and not what the original or what the actual final
Speaker 3: products look like will look like. But either way, it
Speaker 3: looks like shit. But the way they are promoting it
Speaker 3: is quote, these limited edition high tops featuring Trump's iconic
Speaker 3: image with his fist raised honor his unwavering determination and bravery.
Speaker 3: With only five thousand pairs available, each one is a
Speaker 3: true collector's item. Show your support and patriotic pride with
Speaker 3: these exclusive sneakers capturing a defining moment in history.
Speaker 1: Are they from him officially? Are they? Oh? Yeah? What? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You couldn't get away with it? Right? This is their own.
Speaker 3: Well, first I want to say before I get to
Speaker 3: the origin, they are only two hundred ninety nine dollars.
Speaker 3: That's steal right, And yes, thank you Meg, That's what I've
Speaker 3: been trying to tell Jack before we got on Mic
Speaker 3: admitted edition.
Speaker 1: The Gold ones.
Speaker 3: You remember the Gold ones that he debuted like sneaker
Speaker 3: con those sold for three ninety nine. So this is
Speaker 3: a bit of a This is a This is a
Speaker 3: nice entry point, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, through the door.
Speaker 3: Very heavy but no, but there's a lot of like
Speaker 3: lead in the metallic materials, I think, so you should
Speaker 3: probably stop.
Speaker 8: Heavy is the foot that were's the.
Speaker 1: Shoe banks as they say, Wow, you are literary.
Speaker 3: Shit damn too online, dude, that was so fucking literary.
Speaker 1: Fuck with that.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm like sidelined and like I really got
Speaker 3: to step my shit up. But ten random pairs of
Speaker 3: these five thousand will be signed. But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: These shoes, which I've called the air Red Flag twos,
Speaker 3: they are being made by the exact same company that
Speaker 3: did the gold sneaker. And Trump's like, they're not political,
Speaker 3: they don't have anything to do with the campaign or whatever.
Speaker 3: But this company he owns the fucking company that makes them.
Speaker 3: And like the address if you look for the business
Speaker 3: is located is like his golf one of his golf
Speaker 3: courses in Florida.
Speaker 1: So it's not technically like you shouldn't be doing this.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jack in the Year of Harlower twenty four,
Speaker 3: we know not how crime is.
Speaker 1: What is it to even say that.
Speaker 8: Crimes don't exist anymore? It's just it's a free for all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, only thought crimes. Yeah, they seem like bootleg like
Speaker 1: Avengers shoes like you know, you know, like children's clothing
Speaker 1: or children's shoes that have just like a screen printed
Speaker 1: Robert Downey Juinger on it, you know, like it, right,
Speaker 1: because you don't put photographs on shoes as far as like,
Speaker 1: I can't think of another example of a photograph on
Speaker 1: shoes other than bootleg Avengers sneakers.
Speaker 3: Say Jalen Brown, I think had some interesting paintings on
Speaker 3: his sneakers in the past, right, but I don't know
Speaker 3: about Yeah, I don't know about direct to garment printing.
Speaker 3: It looks like like what Homelander from The Boys would
Speaker 3: wear like.
Speaker 1: Once he's fully washed. Yeah, you know what I need?
Speaker 1: I need these, like, I need pictures of these out
Speaker 1: in the wild, because I think they're gonna look amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, just like the gold sneakers they spoiler alert,
Speaker 3: they looked like.
Speaker 8: Shit, what do you mean are they not American.
Speaker 3: Maid No, not even close, not even close for them
Speaker 3: to turn the kind of profit they want off a
Speaker 3: three hundred and ninety nine dollars sneaker. Like, I'm sure
Speaker 3: these are being made for like four to five.
Speaker 1: So do with that information what you will. It didn't
Speaker 1: just look like you were standing in the briefcase from
Speaker 1: pulp fiction, like you just had the glow of the
Speaker 1: golden logo. No, no, unfortunately not no. All right, so
Speaker 1: we still don't know much about the motive at this
Speaker 1: point of the person who the twenty year old Matthew Crooks. No,
Speaker 1: Matthew Crooks is his dad, right, his Thomas Matthew Crooks.
Speaker 1: Thomas Matthew Crooks. That's how you know three names. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But we continue to learn little bits about him, like
Speaker 1: that his dad was like highly targeted, highly indexed by
Speaker 1: the Trump campaign back in twenty sixteen because of he
Speaker 1: had all the all the factors you look for in
Speaker 1: a Facebook like data profile. He was like I think
Speaker 1: number seven of like thousands of people in his town.
Speaker 3: Like they're or to point ninety nine on a scale
Speaker 3: of one point zero in terms of like what they
Speaker 3: figured as like a voter who would be like especially
Speaker 3: open to targeted messaging around gun rights. Yes, so I
Speaker 3: mean all that really does is show that like Crooks
Speaker 3: came from a conservative home, but like really nothing else
Speaker 3: about his motives. But meanwhile, both sides continue to point
Speaker 3: fingers and come up with all kinds of shit. There's
Speaker 3: like it was Biden pulling strings with the Secret Service
Speaker 3: to get Trump got.
Speaker 1: Or Trump definitely seems like Biden by the way, like
Speaker 1: right now, he seems like somebody who's just behind everything,
Speaker 1: pulling the strings, super competent. Sure sure, sure yeah.
Speaker 3: Or a lot of liberals are coping by saying like
Speaker 3: this is did Trump's had to have staged this to help,
Speaker 3: you know, really cement his candidacy. Then other people like
Speaker 3: this is retaliation from the deep state. Then there was
Speaker 3: like the Secret Service was trying to make it look
Speaker 3: like an accident and the who's gonna get JFK or whatever.
Speaker 3: Then another person like it's the fact that there were
Speaker 3: women that exist in the Secret Service. That's that's why,
Speaker 3: and fun, that's clearly the problem. Yeah, the DEI bullshit
Speaker 3: is so on point, like for the right, because everything
Speaker 3: is DEI now, like it's whether that's their way to
Speaker 3: be like not at this point, not really coded racism,
Speaker 3: but you know that they're just like I don't want
Speaker 3: to say the N word, saw say DEI. I don't
Speaker 3: want to say I outwardly hate women. I'll let the
Speaker 3: policies speak for that, but I will I will summon
Speaker 3: DEI as a way to cast dispersions on the Secret Service.
Speaker 3: But like even Eric Trump was on CNN like fully
Speaker 3: putting his support behind the Secret Service agents. He said,
Speaker 3: quote one of the females on the stage, she's with
Speaker 3: me for three years. I know everything about her. She
Speaker 3: would take a bullet for me. She would take a
Speaker 3: bullet for him, as courageous as they come. Same with
Speaker 3: everybody else who was around him. The head of his
Speaker 3: detail was on that stage too, so ac quoting Eric Trump,
Speaker 3: quote the female one is okay.
Speaker 8: The best way to know that you're an ally to
Speaker 8: women you call them females.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are the females on this stage? I'm like,
Speaker 3: are you on a men's rights podcast right now?
Speaker 1: What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 3: And it was also reported but earlier this week, that
Speaker 3: the Secret Service was actually became aware of a plan
Speaker 3: that the Iranian government had a plot to potentially assassinate
Speaker 3: Trump said this quote. Secret Service learned of the increased
Speaker 3: threat from this threat stream. The National Security Council directly
Speaker 3: contacted the Secret Service at a senior level to be
Speaker 3: absolutely sure they continue to track the latest reporting, and
Speaker 3: they said as a result of this quote, Secret Service
Speaker 3: surged resources and assets for the protection of former President Trump.
Speaker 3: All of this was in advance of Saturday. That means
Speaker 3: law enforcement was apparently beefing up their presence and had
Speaker 3: were being extra vigilant. Yet this person was able to
Speaker 3: climb on the roof of a building that had law
Speaker 3: enforcement inside of it, just to add insult to injury.
Speaker 1: So wait, there was law enforcement in the building that
Speaker 1: he was living ones. What does that sound?
Speaker 3: I know it's like squirrels or something, But I think
Speaker 3: it's also entirely possible that, like the police are not
Speaker 3: good at their jobs.
Speaker 1: WHOA.
Speaker 8: Obviously I don't say it with your whole chip.
Speaker 1: Sorry I don't. I don't know if I can.
Speaker 9: But maybe that could also be true here, because I've
Speaker 9: seen a lot over the last few years that would
Speaker 9: suggest they're not the best at preventing crimes.
Speaker 3: They're usually really good at violating people's rights and personhood
Speaker 3: or you know, ending their lives tragically. That seems to
Speaker 3: be something that they have demonstrated high efficiency at. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's not the conversation being had right now.
Speaker 3: It's either DEI or was staged. Those are your two options,
Speaker 3: Democrats and Republicans. I actually see no signs of societal
Speaker 3: rot here at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do not like incompetence as the explanation for
Speaker 1: a historical event. Generally we will just write the incompetence out,
Speaker 1: whether it be Hitler oversleeping on D Day and like
Speaker 1: everybody being too scared to wake him up and that
Speaker 1: be the thing that like helped the Allied forces win
Speaker 1: D Day, or you know, the version of the jfk assassination,
Speaker 1: which I think is the most reasonable explanation that a
Speaker 1: secret service agent actually fired the third shot that actually
Speaker 1: struck him in the head and killed him by accident.
Speaker 1: But when you raise that possibility to people, they are hostile.
Speaker 1: They're fucking they want you to shut up. Human error. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't like that shit at all.
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 8: This sounds like a great topic for me to bring
Speaker 8: up this Thanksgiving with my father.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we just don't want to admit that it's
Speaker 1: a bunch of dummies out there.
Speaker 3: What would the response be from your dad if you said,
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe they messed up and aren't that good?
Speaker 1: All right? Well, that is my favorite Thanksgiving side is
Speaker 1: the Gin the Gin? Sure? Sure, sure, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: I do want to just touch on it because the
Speaker 1: reasons to replace Joe Biden have not stopped rolling in.
Speaker 1: There's been some high profile moments, obviously in the aftermath
Speaker 1: of an attempted assassination on one of the presidential candidates.
Speaker 1: He had a couple of speeches that he gave. The
Speaker 1: one where he said we saw resolve our differences at
Speaker 1: the battle box and injured and he was seriously injured.
Speaker 1: He was seriously injured, and the differences at the battle
Speaker 1: box and seems to recognize it and then go back
Speaker 1: and say battle box again. But that was pre taped, right,
Speaker 1: That wasn't That wasn't like a live press conference in
Speaker 1: front with an audience. It was like him at his desk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's him at the desk. But I don't know,
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know the nature of whether it was
Speaker 3: fully live or pre taped.
Speaker 1: Either way, he just couldn't pull it off. He couldn't
Speaker 1: do the thing. There's there's like this interview with Complex
Speaker 1: magazine where he just like can't do it. It's like
Speaker 1: nineteen minutes he you know it might seem like, oh,
Speaker 1: well he doesn't give a shit. He's like with complex
Speaker 1: but like that he needs to nail every interview first
Speaker 1: of all. And also you know it's like a young
Speaker 1: audience who he's really struggling with, and he just like
Speaker 1: can't maintain his train of thought. Like there's one part
Speaker 1: where you know, the first question the guy, the first
Speaker 1: question is like, so you're getting up there, man, Like
Speaker 1: a lot of people think you're too old. And he
Speaker 1: I tried to transcribe this, but he says, I didn't
Speaker 1: plan on running because in twenty twenty, when Barack asked
Speaker 1: me to be vice president, which was a tremendous honor,
Speaker 1: I joined him, which was a great honor. But after
Speaker 1: that I became professor at the Universe. It's just like
Speaker 1: the timeline is like all fucked up.
Speaker 3: And then he like brought up Charlottesville and you're like yeah,
Speaker 3: and like all he had to.
Speaker 1: Say was like what I didn't want to run, and
Speaker 1: then Charlottesville happened and that's when I decided. But like
Speaker 1: he's just he can't stay on point, and like there
Speaker 1: are multiple times in this interview where this like eighteen
Speaker 1: year old kid, I don't. I don't know how old Speedy.
Speaker 3: From Speedy No Speedy Speedy.
Speaker 1: Is bailing him out. Like multiple times he's like okay,
Speaker 1: so that's Later, he's asked why Trump has support of
Speaker 1: people in the hip hop community, and like Biden talks
Speaker 1: about his work on civil rights in high school, I think,
Speaker 1: he says, but then like, can we just play the
Speaker 1: ending of this? Yeah, yeah, because it's just he just
Speaker 1: shorts out and the number of folks participating didn't slow
Speaker 1: down because it didn't reduce.
Speaker 7: So look, I you know.
Speaker 1: Trump, there are some people who've made their mind and
Speaker 1: they decided.
Speaker 3: He said, never mind. But you know, Trump, what is
Speaker 3: it with Speedy doing interviews where people get like the
Speaker 3: famous Ray Oh he's the Ray J indestructible. Yeah, He's like,
Speaker 3: go ahead, Speedy, break them there, Come on, I don't care.
Speaker 1: And now Joe Biden's out here. But you know Trump,
Speaker 1: pause pause, pause.
Speaker 3: He did a similar thing at the NAACP convention too.
Speaker 1: It's just not work like, it's just he's not like
Speaker 1: this is alarming to anybody who's not lying to themselves right.
Speaker 8: Now, anyone who has a pulse.
Speaker 1: And so I don't know, so immediately after the assassination
Speaker 1: attempt on Donald Trump. People, we're making this argument that
Speaker 1: well that this stops the attempt to replace Biden in
Speaker 1: its tracks. Like the like they we can't that thing
Speaker 1: is that idea is dead and it doesn't make like
Speaker 1: there there's no argument there, Like the only argument I've
Speaker 1: seen is that Trump is like the attempt to assassination
Speaker 1: is taking up all the media attention. But like, we're
Speaker 1: not asking for you to make a great TV moment,
Speaker 1: We're asking you to do what is best for the
Speaker 1: fucking country. And well, I think.
Speaker 10: It's the the same thing of like all the dums
Speaker 10: are just stuck and pillaying respectability politics. They don't want
Speaker 10: to they don't want to rock the boat, like they
Speaker 10: don't want to I don't want to change anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but wouldn't when everyone's distracted be a good time
Speaker 1: to admit, like to go ahead and do the thing
Speaker 1: that you need to do with this candidate.
Speaker 8: And they're gonna seize a good idea, right Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well this is the thing with the DNC, right, Like
Speaker 3: they're just so fully controlled by like that donor class
Speaker 3: and they do a great job as we've seen over
Speaker 3: the many years at just outright ignoring public sentiment fully
Speaker 3: and like for some reason, the conversation only got frantic
Speaker 3: until after like the celebrity George Clooney in that New
Speaker 3: York Times breakup op ed was like, Yo, this dude
Speaker 3: is a fucking scale. What are we fucking talking about here?
Speaker 3: And not like it wasn't all the people saying he
Speaker 3: is too old for this ship for like literal years now,
Speaker 3: like you know, like they did everything they could. They
Speaker 3: nuked the primary debate schedule and pretty much forced this
Speaker 3: bad choice on everyone and hardly what I would call
Speaker 3: a you know, like democratic process. Yet we're being like
Speaker 3: beaten to death with this messaging about the fate of
Speaker 3: our democracy.
Speaker 1: It's really frustrating.
Speaker 3: And it's the DNC, like specifically that is like protecting Biden,
Speaker 3: and that's why we are now hearing talks of like
Speaker 3: a virtual role call to accelerate his nomination right and
Speaker 3: basically have him be the nominee like well over a
Speaker 3: month before the actual convention happens, And if that happened,
Speaker 3: that would effectively just make the actual convention meaningless like
Speaker 3: at the end of August. The whole point, even though
Speaker 3: it is very ceremonial. It's like to get a sort
Speaker 3: of you know, it's like we're moving out of the
Speaker 3: primary season and now we're into the general election season.
Speaker 3: Everybody's together, they're united around the candidate. But if they're like, sorry, assholes,
Speaker 3: we did this one behind your backs. This is your
Speaker 3: fucking person. Now you get to hear you know, open'real
Speaker 3: to make a speech or something, it's a very different, different,
Speaker 3: very different vibe. And I think again that's sort of
Speaker 3: how the DNC works. So it's like, we don't want anyone,
Speaker 3: we don't want any debate, We're don't want to discuss anything,
Speaker 3: we don't want any dissent. Because you also think about
Speaker 3: the thirty six delegates that are the uncommitted delegates in
Speaker 3: states that were able to have delegates be uncommitted, like
Speaker 3: in Michigan, Minnesota, other states like that, that was that's
Speaker 3: a big moment for those people to really air their
Speaker 3: grievances about what's happening in Gaza and potentially get some
Speaker 3: kind of concession from the administration or potential new administration.
Speaker 3: But if it's all said and done, there's really nothing
Speaker 3: to be fucking worked out at all, and it just
Speaker 3: becomes like a foregone conclusion, and yeah, they just really
Speaker 3: don't want any open descent on the convention floor. And
Speaker 3: this is just sort of part and parcel of what
Speaker 3: they're doing. And now they're just fully just doubling down
Speaker 3: on this terrible fucking hand and demonstrating, you know, the
Speaker 3: lack of awareness that has plagued them.
Speaker 1: They're actively pushing back against some of their biggest donors
Speaker 1: right now, which you know, like that is that's very
Speaker 1: UNDNC is to be like, well, what the fuck you know,
Speaker 1: like your donors, like they're donors who are withholding funding
Speaker 1: from candidates like down you know, down ballot ballot local candidates,
Speaker 1: they're withholding funding from them if they don't openly call
Speaker 1: for Biden to step aside, like they're like you that,
Speaker 1: we need you to do that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we're getting a you know, outsize amount of attention on
Speaker 1: the people who want him to step aside, because that
Speaker 1: is the more interesting like news angle, and therefore it
Speaker 1: just seems like it's the consensus when it's a small
Speaker 1: portion of the consensus. But it does seem pretty straightforward.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how you run him. I just
Speaker 1: don't know how he continues to run the country and
Speaker 1: run for president.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if like you, if the decline was this
Speaker 3: series between twin and now, that's it gonna look like
Speaker 3: between now, it doesn't get better even twenty twenty six,
Speaker 3: like the mid terms, and then you're fully dealing with
Speaker 3: like a meme president where people like, dude, this guy
Speaker 3: like the spooky ghosts from the Indiana Jones movie in
Speaker 3: a super like No, it's like not gonna work. It's
Speaker 3: just a and yeah, it's really It really hinders any
Speaker 3: kind of ground swell of support that could occur if
Speaker 3: there was a candidate where at LEAs people were like, well,
Speaker 3: at least that person could formulate a sentence coherently in
Speaker 3: a debate consistently for the next four years ish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Biden has said, like his logic is
Speaker 1: that he would only step aside if there was a
Speaker 1: health thing, which, buddy, I don't know like what, but
Speaker 1: I guess he needs the doctors who gave him a
Speaker 1: clean bill of health like a few months ago to
Speaker 1: come back and be like, all right, we're fucking around,
Speaker 1: like you're you're a mess up there. Or He also
Speaker 1: said if he thought there was no path for him
Speaker 1: to win, not if he thought someone else had a
Speaker 1: better path to win. It's just if he thought he
Speaker 1: had no path to win, which is pretty wild. Like,
Speaker 1: so his logic is entirely self centered, Like in that respect,
Speaker 1: it's only the only thing that matters is that he
Speaker 1: has a small chance at winning. They're trying to get
Speaker 1: us all on board with think about the collective good,
Speaker 1: Like that's all I'm thinking about, is like what could
Speaker 1: possibly stop Donald Trump from being the next president? Like that,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what everybody else is thinking about. And
Speaker 1: he's like, only only if I can't possibly win, which
Speaker 1: seems just wild.
Speaker 3: Well, this is the mindset that's like so pervasive in DC,
Speaker 3: just in general and politics. It's just you have some
Speaker 3: of these people who are like, I'm gonna die holding
Speaker 3: on to power, and that's like my right, and it
Speaker 3: only leads us to just again, nothing inspiring, more of
Speaker 3: the same and at worst seeing this thing unfold in
Speaker 3: like a really grim way, while they continue to be
Speaker 3: like everything America will end and you're like and we're
Speaker 3: counting on okay, right, okay, wait, as.
Speaker 10: Long as they can continue to just bang out the
Speaker 10: you need to vote, that's the only way you'll see
Speaker 10: change party line. You know, it's just the assumption that
Speaker 10: everyone's going to get in the line because it can't.
Speaker 3: Get worse, right, right, Yeah, it's yeah. Then that they've
Speaker 3: they've done an amazing job at making this all Like
Speaker 3: I'm pretty I need to look at his website. But
Speaker 3: a while ago, there weren't really there wasn't really anything
Speaker 3: policy wise on their campaign website. It was just like issues,
Speaker 3: which I'm also like, come on, man, like where's the policy, Like,
Speaker 3: let's talk about policy rather than like, yeah, we know
Speaker 3: body autonomy is important. What's your fucking plan? We know
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court is fucking corrupt and completely politicized. What's
Speaker 3: your plan? And it sounds like there there he was
Speaker 3: supposed to make an announcement on that about on Monday,
Speaker 3: actually about Supreme Court reforms. But again, the assassination attempt
Speaker 3: completely has sort of derailed the speaking schedule.
Speaker 1: So but they are expecting, like by the time you
Speaker 1: hear this, there might be a plan out. It's supposed
Speaker 1: to be announced fairly soon. He's been working, he's been
Speaker 1: in the lab talking to constitutional scholars at about like
Speaker 1: term limits and you know, various Supreme court reforms, but
Speaker 1: I think it would be pretty tricky to pull off
Speaker 1: based on what I've read to this point.
Speaker 3: But yeah, what that plan is on Joe Biden dot
Speaker 3: com like under issues like it'll be things like protecting
Speaker 3: and strengthening our democracy, growing the middle class, fighting to
Speaker 3: lower costs for working families. It's more just like and
Speaker 3: it's always juxtaposed with like what the campaign believes and
Speaker 3: then what Trump would do, and it's everything like substantives
Speaker 3: like yeah, we need good high paying jobs.
Speaker 1: Okay, talk about how that becomes reality.
Speaker 3: It's like, we we believe in good high paying jobs,
Speaker 3: and it's like but Donald Trump doesn't, Oh okay, give
Speaker 3: a little bit more. Rather than just merely again they've
Speaker 3: this is like from the curse. It is the gift
Speaker 3: in the curse and running against Yeah, it's the gift
Speaker 3: in the curse of running against Donald Trump. As we've
Speaker 3: seen is that the entire DNC strategy is just to
Speaker 3: merely just gesture to the Republicans as their entire platform
Speaker 3: and be like, well that no, and it's just it's
Speaker 3: completely that well.
Speaker 1: Has run pretty dry. At this point, I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, well, let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 1: come back and we'll talk about twisters.
Speaker 11: Okay, and we're back, and I do I am curious
Speaker 11: as someone who has kind of worked in the fields
Speaker 11: of medical bullshit, like what your diagnosis would be for
Speaker 11: why our current information ecosystem is so bad.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like it's the Internet, for sure, but
Speaker 1: I also feel like there's this underlying hyper capitalism ethos
Speaker 1: where like Goop can be completely full of shit but
Speaker 1: still get like good press because it's got like because
Speaker 1: it's making money basically because it's like I don't you know,
Speaker 1: business insider, The business insider of it all is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's made a great product and that's cool. It's called yeah.
Speaker 1: And so there's just like so many ways to launder
Speaker 1: this pseudo scientific bullshit that I feel like used to
Speaker 1: be relegated to the back of like magazines, and now
Speaker 1: is like, you know, a big, multi billion dollar brand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the dodgy ads from the back of the
Speaker 3: magazine are now are like medical truths that we have accepted.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, this is I don't think you're misreading that.
Speaker 2: I think that is kind of what I'm seeing as well.
Speaker 2: I mean grifts, medical grifts, I mean they've been around forever,
Speaker 2: but and they reinvent themselves all the time. Like I
Speaker 2: got interviewed about Gwyneth Paltrow's rectal ozone therapy and I
Speaker 2: had to look into that and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's not necessarily new. I mean, it's just one way
Speaker 2: or another. Yeah, yeah, don't do it as long and
Speaker 2: the short of it. But like copy enemas, enemas to
Speaker 2: detox and clans, all these things that that people try
Speaker 2: to do, They're like urine therapy, drinking urine. These are
Speaker 2: things that always come back in one form or another.
Speaker 1: Like Napoleon was doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, And and it is getting worse. And
Speaker 2: I think a lot of that is sort of the
Speaker 2: direct to consumer marketing that you see from like these people,
Speaker 2: these influencers online or people selling supplements and that sort
Speaker 2: of thing. So and these people have like zero sense
Speaker 2: of medical ethics because most of them aren't doctors, and
Speaker 2: the ones that are medical professionals don't seem to care
Speaker 2: that much. I will also put some of the blame
Speaker 2: on us as doctors, because you know, we talk about
Speaker 2: placebo and you know usually in the past doctors Beck, yeah,
Speaker 2: placibo find if it works great, and that's true. I
Speaker 2: usually don't care, but we let a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: that seemed inconsequential go in the past and not fight.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: So Gwyneth Paltrow wants to put a jade egg in
Speaker 2: her vagina, what's the the harm? You know, they want
Speaker 2: to they want to take this whatever pill X or supplement.
Speaker 2: What's the harm? It's a low risk thing, and the
Speaker 2: truth of it is what we have seen. I think
Speaker 2: there's a direct line between people doing that and thinking, well, Okay,
Speaker 2: this alternative therapy seems to it seems truthy enough, and
Speaker 2: then they start to believe that more and more, and
Speaker 2: then when it comes to something that's maybe a more real,
Speaker 2: like proven medical treatment or say a vaccine, they don't
Speaker 2: know who to trust because there's so much out there,
Speaker 2: so much information out there that seems contradictory, that we sort.
Speaker 1: Of letl that.
Speaker 2: Like now if someone who is an influencer who you know,
Speaker 2: we never like addressed before, is now saying something a
Speaker 2: little more serious and consequential like don't get your vaccine,
Speaker 2: then that now we have a real problem. And I
Speaker 2: think we have to now be more aggressive about these things.
Speaker 1: Like even if it's a low risk thing for most
Speaker 1: people to take supplements, and for most people it is,
Speaker 1: it's low risk. Not for everyone. They put like you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of like we joked about, like lead in
Speaker 1: these things you'll see, but like there's things in there.
Speaker 2: That can hurt deliver. There's even like liver cleanses that
Speaker 2: actually have ingredients in them that can hurt deliver because
Speaker 2: it's completely unregulated. There's very little regulation that goes into this,
Speaker 2: and so you know, if we're not careful about the
Speaker 2: little things, then they can spiral. They can sort of
Speaker 2: like snowball into bigger and bigger problems down the road
Speaker 2: and really help erode a lack in real medical treatment,
Speaker 2: proven evidence based science treatment, you know. And so I
Speaker 2: think it's a lot on us as doctors. We have
Speaker 2: to be more vigilant about this stuff and call out
Speaker 2: bullshit even if it seems relatively and consequential.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you.
Speaker 3: Think there's another part too, because I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 3: this has something to do with it, because our medical system,
Speaker 3: especially here in the United States, is so bad that
Speaker 3: so many people end up slipping through the cracks or
Speaker 3: having a doctor that isn't taking them seriously. And you know,
Speaker 3: small issues become things that are life threatening very quickly.
Speaker 3: And then and then anecdotally that gets around it's like,
Speaker 3: well the doctors don't what the fuck they're talking about
Speaker 3: and shit like that. How much of like sort of
Speaker 3: the you know, trying to resolve all this is also
Speaker 3: just sort of on having like a better medical system
Speaker 3: where people feel like, ah, this this seems more dependable
Speaker 3: because I feel like a lot of distress someone it
Speaker 3: comes from someone with like an anecdote about something that
Speaker 3: happened to someone they know. And that's why now it's like, ah,
Speaker 3: well they're just saying shit or whatever. They don't think
Speaker 3: they're gonna miss stuff. That's why I do my own
Speaker 3: research or et cetera, or whatever you know, thing that
Speaker 3: people want to say when it comes to that.
Speaker 1: First of all, how dare you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, our medical system is a wreck. We pay more
Speaker 2: and we get worse quality than we should. And then
Speaker 2: a lot of countries who are supposed to be are
Speaker 2: sort of at our level are doing so absolutely and
Speaker 2: people are looking for other means to get care and treatment.
Speaker 2: I I mean, I'm always a little worried about doing
Speaker 2: this because people, you know, I'm worried about giving direct
Speaker 2: medical care and treatment online because you can't do that
Speaker 2: you don't know somebody online. But we do need to
Speaker 2: create a better system so people don't have to turn
Speaker 2: two things online. They don't have to like look for
Speaker 2: a doctor or someone online recommending a treatment or going
Speaker 2: to some sort of like you know app where they
Speaker 2: can order like psychiatric meds. And they should have better
Speaker 2: care directly from their medical offices that they go to
Speaker 2: or hopefully have the insurance to even go to see
Speaker 2: a doctor. So yeah, no, I mean a big part
Speaker 2: of this I totally acknowledge is based on the fact
Speaker 2: that our system is very dysfunctional, if not broken, and
Speaker 2: all on top of that, something else you mentioned is
Speaker 2: true too. I mean, people oftentimes feel like they're not
Speaker 2: being listened to by their doctor, and I can see that,
Speaker 2: I understand it. I'm sure it happens constantly all the time,
Speaker 2: and that's hard. I mean a lot of I feel
Speaker 2: for the doctors too in that regards, because most of
Speaker 2: these primary care doctors are extraordinarily overworked, right, and they're
Speaker 2: swamped with email after email after email, and they can't
Speaker 2: really put in the energy and the time to each
Speaker 2: one to make that person feel heard. That doesn't mean
Speaker 2: they shouldn't try. It doesn't mean that that's not something
Speaker 2: we need to do. But yeah, I know a lot
Speaker 2: of people who don't feel like they're listened to by
Speaker 2: the medical profession. Sometimes that can have devastating consequences. Oftentimes not,
Speaker 2: but sometimes it can be devastating.
Speaker 3: And since you did concede that point, are you willing
Speaker 3: to say that electrolytes are something we need because I
Speaker 3: see that it's one of the top sellings When I
Speaker 3: look at supplements, like I'm looking at the like Amazon Health,
Speaker 3: I feel like, looking at the top charted products on Amazon,
Speaker 3: it's a good idea of what people think they need
Speaker 3: for their bodies, and electrolytes is like one of the
Speaker 3: high everyone's fucking on electrolytes right now. Yes, just because
Speaker 3: we don't want to drink water. I'm like, it's just
Speaker 3: weird to me. I'm like, isn't that just that's the
Speaker 3: salt they put in gatorade.
Speaker 1: It's because we've lost our way and nobody wants to
Speaker 1: drink gatorade anymore because it wants to work.
Speaker 3: No one wants to work, and no one wants to
Speaker 3: drink Gatorade.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, water isn't that sexy anymore, people like I mean,
Speaker 2: it has to be like death Liquid or whatever the
Speaker 2: name of that company, different than like it just officially
Speaker 2: became a geriatric So like this is that's a real
Speaker 2: that's a real thing. That's a the electrolyte thing. It
Speaker 2: can be useful for people like serious athletes, but for
Speaker 2: most of us, regular water mart of hydration like that exactly,
Speaker 2: You're not most people are not becoming like hyponetrimik when
Speaker 2: they're like doing their exercise. But I mean again, it's
Speaker 2: one of those things where for a long time we're
Speaker 2: just like, oh, okay, whatever, smart water, that's great, and
Speaker 2: it exists right right, And now now I mean again.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's all. I'm starting to feel more and
Speaker 1: more like it's a slippery slope. The more we accept
Speaker 1: sort of like unnecessary stuff, the worst the outcomes down
Speaker 1: the road become so and then we end up with
Speaker 1: someone like RFK, who actually is like.
Speaker 2: A legitimate, you know, candidate. I mean, he's not gonna win,
Speaker 2: but still he's actually out there and people are hearing
Speaker 2: and listening to his garbage. And but I I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I really dislike him, so I shouldn't have brought him up.
Speaker 1: But that's how we get people like that in.
Speaker 3: Our lives, right, Yeah, from not being like no, you're wrong,
Speaker 3: go leave leave, Yeah exactly, No, No I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you about these vaccines.
Speaker 1: Man, you're like, no, you're not telling this ship Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Like the doctor Oz like Wager, like you know,
Speaker 1: his argument to himself seemed to be that it was
Speaker 1: all worth it because he was educating people on stuff
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have normally like been educated about, and it
Speaker 1: was fine if he like flubbed the margins a little
Speaker 1: bit or like told a couple lies here and there,
Speaker 1: and then you know, we see where that ends. And
Speaker 1: I feel like the whole that's kind of what you're
Speaker 1: describing just across the board a.
Speaker 2: Little bit, that's exactly it. And I feel a little
Speaker 2: bit for for him, because I you know, if you're
Speaker 2: doing a show every day and you have to just
Speaker 2: start like coming up with shit medically, at some point,
Speaker 2: some of the stuff's going to get questionable. But I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, he should he's supposedly, he was supposedly a
Speaker 2: good doctor. You know, he should that, Like you can't
Speaker 2: lose that, and if you do, you have to sep
Speaker 2: congress doctor Oz, you know, just the Oz at that point.
Speaker 2: So I mean, yeah, but that that is exactly the
Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened. He started out with him talking
Speaker 2: about like poop and like he was a guy who
Speaker 2: like taught you, like all of our mother is, like
Speaker 2: what a normal poop shape is supposed to be like
Speaker 2: on the Oprah Winfrey Show, and that was like fine, cool,
Speaker 2: we talked about firebars, but that was a very slow
Speaker 2: and gradual descent into nonsense and gibberish.
Speaker 3: Yeah to him saying the vagina is like a self
Speaker 3: cleaning oven, and you're like, what is going on? You're
Speaker 3: saying this many times out loud, Okay.
Speaker 1: It's weird when he says it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is like self cleaning oven. Like what
Speaker 3: who are you, like a Maytag repair person or a doctor?
Speaker 2: Well, well, I'll tell you this. He gets that line
Speaker 2: maybe from Jen Gunter, who is a very famous and
Speaker 2: I think a really great obi Guinde, And that is
Speaker 2: a response to like trying to tell people you don't
Speaker 2: necessarily need to be doing cleanses. It comes down to
Speaker 2: the whole clensing so so in that sense, I think
Speaker 2: that's where he got it. But then he is one
Speaker 2: of these guys who will, like, you know, he'll have
Speaker 2: people on who are on the fringes of the medical
Speaker 2: world and want to sell things, and he gives them
Speaker 2: air and he's given them lots of attention he did
Speaker 2: when he had a show. So yeah, he also sucks
Speaker 2: all the doctors. I can't think of really one that's
Speaker 2: famous online that I'm trying or TV.
Speaker 1: That's not doctor feel Good. Yeah, he is the one
Speaker 1: to call doctor Pat, the aforementioned doctor Pepper. It's pretty Yeah,
Speaker 1: it helps helps the healthy nerve, helps you feel great,
Speaker 1: did great work overseas? Yeah. Is there a subject that
Speaker 1: you think we've missed that is just something that you
Speaker 1: come up against like either a bullshit belief or I
Speaker 1: know I've heard you talk about you know. The answer
Speaker 1: is often like, we don't actually know on a lot
Speaker 1: of things. You know, something that most people think we
Speaker 1: definitively know that's more of a mystery, or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's probably a lot, but I will say that,
Speaker 2: you know, because I'm a gast entrologist. One of the
Speaker 2: things that I get asked a lot about our people
Speaker 2: will talk me about our coffee enemas and that's the
Speaker 2: constant bane of my existence. And if I can use
Speaker 2: this as a platform to tell people to not get them,
Speaker 2: I will. I mean, coffee is great. I love coffee.
Speaker 2: I think there's actual health benefits to coffee. There's actually
Speaker 2: some decent ones. We actually did an episode of our
Speaker 2: show with one of the weirder ones with a great
Speaker 2: hepatologist named Elliott Tapper, prop the musician and podcaster and
Speaker 2: Deepak Choper's brother who is a doctor as well, in
Speaker 2: studies coffee in a weirdest and there's a lot of
Speaker 2: health benefits. Yes, it was an interesting one, and in
Speaker 2: that episode we really covered a lot of the health
Speaker 2: benefits of it. But there is no added benefit to
Speaker 2: putting coffee up your butt and potential harm and not
Speaker 2: just if it's hot. It could be some chemical thing
Speaker 2: in there that irritates your cold as well. So don't
Speaker 2: do that, don't don't do like that, don't do cleanses.
Speaker 3: I think the first person I heard talk about it
Speaker 3: like it was a celect. I feel like it was
Speaker 3: like Janet Jackson or some ship coffee. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're like somehow I remember like in the nineties, it
Speaker 3: was like this one thing, We're like, dude, that celebrity
Speaker 3: is just boofing, just gallons of coffee in there butt
Speaker 3: and that's I think the new way to.
Speaker 1: Live or something.
Speaker 3: And it sort of, yeah, became very very popular, very quickly.
Speaker 1: So do we just stick to only putting alcoholic beverages
Speaker 1: up our ass? No coffee?
Speaker 2: And we ticked away your joy? Yeah, there was an
Speaker 2: a monster, guys. And I'm I do have to say,
Speaker 2: I feel like I always have to be looks. I'm
Speaker 2: not totally against things going into butts, Okay, I'm just saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: don't put coffee work and.
Speaker 3: How you might think you will, Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure,
Speaker 3: all right, and that's just like your medical opinion.
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