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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have a guest. I'm just gonna go

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Speaker 1: over some listener questions. You know, a lot of times

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Speaker 1: we interview somebody, we talk about turkey hunting, and maybe

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Speaker 1: some of those tactics are too advanced, or maybe those

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Speaker 1: tactics don't make sense to him yet. So I've been

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Speaker 1: getting a lot of questions by maybe a big game

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Speaker 1: hunter or somebody just wanting to get into turkey hunting,

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Speaker 1: and they've got a lot of questions on what do

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Speaker 1: they need, what's a minimum, what do they have to have,

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Speaker 1: What's you know, something that's nice to have but not

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Speaker 1: necessarily needed.

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Speaker 2: So I was just gonna take.

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Speaker 1: Today's time and just kind of go over that for

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Speaker 1: a new turkey hunter.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's the middle of January, late January.

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Speaker 1: Now, turkey hunt's kind of right around the corner, and

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Speaker 1: for those that haven't did it, it may be a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a daunting task on what do you need?

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Speaker 1: And if you're a beginner turkey hunter or a season

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Speaker 1: turkey hunter, there may be a few things you can

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Speaker 1: pick up during this episode that you did or didn't

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Speaker 1: already know. So the first thing we're gonna go, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna skip the listener questions today and we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna go into a list of questions that that

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Speaker 1: I've kind of copy and pasted in here from people

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Speaker 1: over the over the last couple of months they want

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Speaker 1: to get into Turkey, and then we'll go through those.

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Speaker 1: So what do you need as a minimum to go

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Speaker 1: out in the Turkey woods? I would say ideally you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to have either one a twenty you know,

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Speaker 1: or a twelve gage shotgun. With some of the new ammunition,

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Speaker 1: you can actually get away now with some of these

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Speaker 1: four tens with specific ammo loaded four four turkeys, you know,

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Speaker 1: with the with the with TSS coming online the way

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Speaker 1: it has, and some of the things you've been able

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Speaker 1: to do with some of the smaller shots, four ten

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Speaker 1: is now a very very good option for the youth

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Speaker 1: or for anybody on turkeys. I would say twenty and

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Speaker 1: twelve gages are still more widely used, just a little

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Speaker 1: more range, a little denser pattern typically, So you either

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Speaker 1: need a shotgun or if you want to take on archery,

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Speaker 1: you know, turke handing out of the gate, your bow

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Speaker 1: set up will will do as well. You know, there

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Speaker 1: are other states that allow for other other weapons, but

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Speaker 1: for for today, we're just going to talk shotguns and

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Speaker 1: and archery equipment. Shotgun is easy to understand. You're you're

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Speaker 1: looking to get a hit on the head, neck area,

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Speaker 1: you know. And we're going to get into to AMMO

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Speaker 1: a little bit as well. But one thing you need

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Speaker 1: to do is find a good ammunition. And I just

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Speaker 1: mentioned TSS, and I would say TSS makes the four

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Speaker 1: tens a viable option. But if you're if you're wanting

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Speaker 1: to do this on a on a budget and don't

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Speaker 1: want to shoot a shotgun shell that's anywhere from five

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Speaker 1: to fifteen dollars a piece, I would recommend you you

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Speaker 1: just you got a pattern your gun. But there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of different manufacturers out there that make you know,

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Speaker 1: fours and fives and six's, whether it's heavy shot, whether

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Speaker 1: your state allows lead or copper plated lead, whatever it

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Speaker 1: may be. Just go pattern your gun. And when I

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Speaker 1: go to pattern my shotgun, I'm not looking for a

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Speaker 1: certain number of hits within a certain you know area.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people talk about, you know,

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Speaker 1: three to four hits within the neck and brain area.

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Speaker 1: What I'm looking for is I typically draw like a

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Speaker 1: ten inch circle, which and then within that tenant circle,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for a very even, uniform and as dense

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Speaker 1: of pattern as I can get. I want there to

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Speaker 1: not be you know, too many areas in there that

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Speaker 1: you know, out out to about thirty yards, and then

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Speaker 1: checking for the the effect inness is that that load.

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Speaker 1: You know, some of these tss that I do shoot

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Speaker 1: out of my twelve gage, you know, I can keep

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Speaker 1: that sort of pattern density all the way out to

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Speaker 1: out to that fifty yard range. Now do I want

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Speaker 2: That your gun with your choke shoots. Well.

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Speaker 1: Just because your buddy has the same gun you do

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Speaker 1: that gun is going to shoot identical to your buddies. Now,

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Speaker 1: a good option. Now, if you're going out with archery gear,

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Speaker 1: know broadheads with with very large cutting diameters for you know,

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Speaker 1: shooting them in the head. They're also you can use

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Speaker 1: standard you know broadheads, expandables, fixed blades and uh you know,

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Speaker 1: like like you're big game hunting, I personally, you know,

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Speaker 1: aside from the kill zones that are put on the

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Speaker 1: turkey targets, I've never went out and archie hunted turkeys

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Speaker 1: I've kind of got it dialed. You no matter which

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Speaker 1: a headshot, where where's a good shot. And then also,

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Speaker 1: you know, an archery hunter has got the big drawback.

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Speaker 2: Of not being seen.

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Speaker 1: Why you try to draw your boats a lot of times.

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Speaker 1: If if these tombs are in full strut or whatnot,

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Speaker 1: you need to figure out when you can draw your bow,

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Speaker 1: you know, turkey hunter. So with that said, those are

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Speaker 1: kind of the two things you need to turkey hunt.

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Speaker 1: And you know, aside from a license or a tag

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Speaker 1: for your respective state or the respective area you want

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Speaker 1: to hunt, I would say that's really all that's required

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Speaker 1: for turkey hunting. A weapon, a tag, and license. Everything

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Speaker 1: from there on turkey hunting is going to be a

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Speaker 2: Do you need calls? No? Do you need decoys no?

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Speaker 2: Do you have to have a blind No.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things you can do, especially on

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Speaker 1: you can just set up on their their travel paths

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Speaker 1: out every spring to turkey hunt. I want to interact

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Speaker 1: I want to be on their path. But being a

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Speaker 1: well rounded turkey hunter, being able to use some of

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Speaker 1: that scouting and some of that path you know, pathways

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Speaker 1: and stuff that the turkeys just naturally want to use,

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Speaker 1: will go a long ways in allowing me to be

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Speaker 1: in the right spot to call them in. So let's

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Speaker 1: go into t like camo does. Do you need specific

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Speaker 1: leafy suits or will any camo do? I guess I'll

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Speaker 1: you don't need to have you know, the best camo.

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Speaker 2: Out there. Now, I will.

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Speaker 1: Say movement is more important or lack of movement is

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Speaker 1: more important than camo in my opinion, whether you're wearing

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Speaker 1: when you go to you know, to to move your

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Speaker 2: They they will pick it up.

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Speaker 1: So when I'm turkey hunting, movement is sloth like slow.

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Speaker 1: If I've got to bring the gun up, if I've

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Speaker 1: unless I need to make a quick shot or I

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Speaker 2: Everything else I do is very subtle.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into calling in a little bit, but even

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Speaker 1: as far as running box calls, pot calls, mouth calls,

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Speaker 1: if that movement's involved and you think they can see it,

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Speaker 1: you need to be smart about when you're calling and

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Speaker 1: when they when they can pick it up. So Camo,

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Speaker 1: I say, it's best to wear a cameo that fits

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Speaker 1: I'm a tree sitter. I don't like to be in

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Speaker 1: a blind I don't you know, put myself buying a

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Speaker 1: it's going to be detrimental. So I try to sit

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Speaker 1: up my my outline and use that to my advantage.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, when you set up on the tree,

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Speaker 1: one thing you need to be looking for as a

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Speaker 1: turkey hunter is that you've got clear shooting lanes out

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Speaker 1: in front of you that you didn't give yourself, like

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Speaker 1: little small slivers on where you expect that turkey to

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Speaker 2: So camo.

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Speaker 1: Not acquired, but definitely, in my opinion, adds to you know,

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Speaker 1: the success of a turkey hunter. And let's you get

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Speaker 1: away with a little bit more movement. Now on the

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Speaker 1: same topic as camel, like, are there any you know,

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Speaker 1: absolutely do not it to white turkey hunting, and I

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Speaker 1: would say colors that you'll see on turkeys that you

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Speaker 1: want to shoot. So let's say a Tom reds, whites,

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Speaker 1: and blues. You know, the color of tom turkey's heads.

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Speaker 1: You especially on public land, maybe not as important on

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Speaker 1: private land, but I would still definitely avoid those colors.

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Speaker 1: Don't wear red, white, and blue, if at all possible.

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Speaker 1: You know why you're wire hunting. It's just it's there's

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Speaker 1: no need to, and all you do is open yourself

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Speaker 1: up to the potential of somebody that doesn't identify their

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Speaker 1: game very well. You know, there's been lots of horse

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Speaker 1: stories of people being shot in the Turkey woods, so

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Speaker 1: we just want to avoid that if possible. One thing

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Speaker 1: that does kind of go along with camel as well

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Speaker 1: is face mask.

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Speaker 2: Is there any need for face covering?

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Speaker 1: And I don't have any scientific backup for this, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like a turkey both eye eye contact and

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Speaker 1: feed or you know where they're gonna strut, definitely go

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00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 1: that direction rather than, you know, just just below the

435
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: tree somewhere. Now, with that said, I seem to always

436
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: struggle regardless of where I set up on a roofs tree.

437
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: It seems like the bird always wants to do something

438
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 1: you know that that I don't want them to do,

439
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 1: or go direction I don't want them to go.

440
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 2: And I've always struggled, like you do. Some tree helps.

441
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 1: You always want to get their attention or at least

442
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: let them know you're there, versus being completely quiet, hoping

443
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: that you pick the right direction. And I always kind of,

444
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, go back and forth. And there's been some

445
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: times where it's worked great, and there's been some times

446
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: where it's like I shouldn't have, shouldn't have made a sound.

447
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: So it's really up to you to kind of figure out,

448
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 1: you know, what what you what you want to do,

449
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: if you want to make a sound, or if you

450
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: want to alert them of your location so at least

451
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: they know there's no real right or wrong answer there.

452
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: But I would say typically lean towards at least making

453
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: some really soft tree helps and then putting the call away.

454
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: So let's get into you know, one thing that a

455
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: lot of people for me spring turkeys about using the

456
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: calls and the vocalizations and getting these things to come

457
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: in on a string if possible. So what vocalizations as

458
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: a turkey hunter do you need to be able to

459
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: make to call a burden? I would say, if you

460
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: can only learn one sound, just your typical seven to

461
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: nine note yelp is going to be, you know, your best,

462
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: your best call that you can go out in the

463
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: woods with now not saying that you're limiting yourself because

464
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: being able to have the ability to cluck per bubble,

465
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, bubble cluck, cut, you know, any of those

466
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: sort of calls can add to the realism, especially if

467
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: they're doing it out in the woods. But going out

468
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: there with a minimum of the ability to yelp will

469
00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: be to your advantage. How do you mimic realistic turkey

470
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: calls rather than what you hear everybody do When I'm

471
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: testing turkey calls, or when I'm when I'm you're researching vocalizations,

472
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: or maybe I'm I'm recording audio. A lot of times

473
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: I just go to real turkey sounds. I go out

474
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: to video clips of real turkey sounds. I don't try

475
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: to sound like another caller. I go to try to

476
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: sound like realistic turkeys, real turkeys. YouTube is a great

477
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: spot to go listen to real turkeys do their thing

478
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: and call. You know, we always try to we always

479
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: try to put their calling into a perfect little cookie

480
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: cutter box, you know, a seven to nine note. Yep, Well,

481
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: guess what you can go on YouTube and listen to

482
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: a turkey rattle off fifty or sixty ELPs in a row.

483
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: You can also hear turkeys very subtly.

484
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know they'll do like four

485
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: y ELPs.

486
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: You just need to go and decide for yourself what's

487
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: realistic turkey calls.

488
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: And uh, you know what you need to do to

489
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 2: mimic those.

490
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: Now, with that said, one of the the main questions

491
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: I get manufacturing turkey calls is which ones do I

492
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: need or which ones should I get? I always recommend

493
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: mouth diaphragms for people that are learning or experienced. The

494
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: best thing about mouth diaphragms is the movement is minimal

495
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: and it allows you to have access to your weapon.

496
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: Any other call that I know of, aside from a

497
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: mouth diaphragm, will require you to use your hands in

498
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: some form or fashion number one, making more movement number two,

499
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: not allowing you to have access to your weapon at

500
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: the same time. So mouth calls are always number one,

501
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: but the level of difficulty in learning those is typically

502
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: higher than the other calls. So but I always recommend

503
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: you at least get one and practice and give it

504
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: a shot. From there, I would say box calls and

505
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: pot calls or sometimes equally is easy to learn. I

506
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: would say boxes maybe easier. You know, you got to

507
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: box call typically made out of a wood base with

508
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: a wood paddle, and by running those over and creating

509
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: the friction from the base to the paddle, you get

510
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, a turkey yelp or a turkey sound. You

511
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: can you can cluck on a box call, you can purr,

512
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 1: you can yelp, you can do a lot of things

513
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: and very easy to use just by swiping the paddle.

514
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: Pot calls are made out of a multitude of materials.

515
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: I would say the most common would be a wood

516
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: pot or a plastic pot with slate, glass, aluminum copper,

517
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: a slate tech type material, a material that's kind of

518
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: an engineered material, and typically you will use a peg

519
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: with that. So you use a striker on top of

520
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: the conditions surface. So by making small semi circles or

521
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: oblong circles, small j's, by dragging your striker down, you

522
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: can get your purrs sharp pushes down the board. You

523
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: can get your clucks or cuts, depending on how loud

524
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: you want those. And those are typically going to be

525
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: also a lot easier to run, a little less movement

526
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: than box calls, but maybe a little more difficulty in

527
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,239
Speaker 1: learning to run those those are those are kind of

528
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: the three calls. Now, there's a lot of other specialty calls.

529
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: We've got tube cutting calls. We've got spring box calls

530
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: where you know there's a there's a spring and you

531
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: can push your push your pullpin calls. But I would

532
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: say the majority of your turkey calls are going to

533
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: be mouth diaphragms, box calls, or pot calls. Now that

534
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: you're out there, can you recommend, you know, calling sequences

535
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: for different phases of the hunt? How does varying your

536
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: cadence affect your responsiveness all of this stuff? So it's

537
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: very tough on a hunt to go out there and

538
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: tell you exactly how you should call. Now, I'm gonna

539
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: leave you with a few things. Is when you're out

540
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: in the woods, what are the other turkeys doing? Are

541
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: those hands being very very voisious? Are they being to

542
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: the point of overcalling? Are they being aggressive? So you're

543
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: kind of you're kind of reading, kind of reading the room.

544
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: How are the other turkeys responding? How talkative are they?

545
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: But then the other thing you're gonna do is, how

546
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: is that tom that you really want to come into

547
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: your location? How is he responding to your calling? Is

548
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: he fired up when you cluck? Is he fired up

549
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: when you yell?

550
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: Is he fly? You know?

551
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: Is he fired up? On this or that? Last year

552
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: in Washington, I was there with my good buddy John

553
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: and Simon in eastern Washington, and you know, we don't

554
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: typically pull.

555
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: We've always got a box call with us.

556
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: We've always got what you know, all of our calls

557
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: with us, but there's just some that we use more

558
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: than the other. On this particular hunt, we kept coming

559
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: back to my box call, which is the meat eater

560
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: X Phelps box call. There was something about it, whether

561
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: it was the time of the year, whether it was

562
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, quietness, whether you know, whether it was elevation,

563
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. We could get turkeys to respond

564
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: to that box call better than we could our mouth

565
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: diaphragms or our pot calls. So it was one of

566
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: those things where just because what those turkeys in the

567
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: field wanted to hear, what they responded to, we picked

568
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: up on that and we used that box call more

569
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: so than not. Now, it did add some difficulty, like

570
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: I said before, is we're trying to call those birds

571
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: into our location with a box call. It's sometimes very

572
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: very tricky for me. My right arms got to move,

573
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, to the extent of you know, five or

574
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: six inches on the end of the paddle. So a

575
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: lot of times when we were setting up, if I

576
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: wasn't the shooter, I would set up, maybe more so

577
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: out of out of the visible, you know, area of

578
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: that turkey. I would kind of go hide myself, which

579
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't be ideal if I was calling for myself, but

580
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: calling for my buddies, I was able to make work.

581
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: One time I was the caller and the shooter. We

582
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: were being very strategic on listening where the bird's gobble was,

583
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: how close we thought they were, can we hear them

584
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: spitting and drumming, And then at some point I was

585
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to put the box call down and just

586
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: hold onto my gun and hope that that was enough

587
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: to finish him. So using kind of all of those

588
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: cues throughout a hunt to decide whether or not, you know,

589
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: you need to keep using that call or you may

590
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: run into a turkey that doesn't care if you're yelping

591
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: the mouth diaphragm, a pot call, or a box call,

592
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: or any combination thereof. So you're really one. Like I said,

593
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't think you can go wrong if you if

594
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: you listen to all the other turkeys in the area,

595
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: how how loud are they being. You know, if you've

596
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: got boss hands that are just real squawky, you may

597
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: need to get squawky because you're trying to call him

598
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: away from her. Or number two, if that bird just

599
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: soaking up everything you throw at it, continue to go

600
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: down that path.

601
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: You know, during during your call ins, different terrains is one.

602
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: One of the other things is how do you you

603
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: know is there a difference when you're hunting him in

604
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: the mountains of Washington versus the open fields or the

605
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: open meadow you know country at Kansas And I would

606
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: say yes, but it's more so on the subspecies.

607
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: I would say it was a question about terrain.

608
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: But the stubborn Easterns of the Midwest are a completely

609
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: different animal than than our Miriams out out in the west.

610
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: You know, you've got big, thunderous gobbles or a bigger bird,

611
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: but an Eastern is very very stubborn and sometimes very

612
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: very hard to get them to give up your location.

613
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: It's when they do give up their location they sometimes

614
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: seem to care a little bit less about your calls.

615
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: And I know this all depends on the time of

616
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: the year, but Easterns more difficult. You go out west

617
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: and we're hunting our rios and our Miriams a lot

618
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: more talkative, a lot easier to get to say something.

619
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: Early in the morning or middle of the day. When

620
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm hunting Merriams or rios, I feel like I've got

621
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: a good chance all day long. Where when I'm hunting

622
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: Easterns in Kansas or wherever it may be, I feel

623
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: like at times I just need to set up on

624
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: a travel corridor, maybe do some you know, a little

625
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: real subtle calling every hour or so, and just hope

626
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: that they want to walk by me. So that's one

627
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: of the big differences now terrain. I've always felt turkeys

628
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: would rather come uphill do a call because if they

629
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: run into danger, they can pitch away from the danger.

630
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: So that's one thing I always try to keep in mind,

631
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: either on contour or calling them uphill. Imagine if you're

632
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: trying to call a bird downhill and they they run

633
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: into danger, they can still just run up the hill,

634
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: but it puts them at a disadvantage versus just being

635
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: able to pitch off the hill. They don't want to

636
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: pitch out over the danger of what may be there.

637
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: So that's that's really when it comes to terrains kind

638
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: of what I'm thinking of as I as I go

639
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: into that, you know, setup can that turkey get away

640
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: from danger? Are they going to be comfortable? And uh,

641
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, look at it from from that that standpoint.

642
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: Aside from that, like and that's kind of that's kind

643
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: of my advice for a turkey hunter. You know, a

644
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: lot of people think you need to have all the

645
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: specialty gear, I would say, a weapon, some understanding of

646
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: being able to make some turkey calls, and then it's

647
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: really just spending time out in the woods and understanding,

648
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, understanding the birds. You know, as I've said before,

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Speaker 1: I've got lots of podcasts that goes very very deep

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Speaker 1: with doctor Chamberlain and some of these research biologists that

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Speaker 1: talk about like we get into you know, nesting cycles

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Speaker 1: and why you know, turkey hunting maybe better later in

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Speaker 1: the season and early you know, we we talk about

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Speaker 1: hunting pressure, we talk about all those things, but it's

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Speaker 1: very basic, you know, the foundation of turkey hunting. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to do this podcast to really just kind of

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Speaker 1: say what you need, what you don't need necessarily, but

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Speaker 1: what what are kind of some of these luxuries? And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, turkey hunting is just a blast. You know,

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Speaker 1: some people out west, you know, love to hate on

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Speaker 1: turkey hunting.

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Speaker 2: You know it's we should be spring bear hunting or

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Speaker 2: doing something. Man.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love it when I can get an animal

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Speaker 1: to interact with me, regardless of what they say. It's

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Speaker 1: very very simi to elk hunting, I get something to

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Speaker 1: respond with a locator call. Something I didn't talk about,

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Speaker 1: But you can use all of these locator calls. You

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Speaker 1: locate them, you take a guess at where you think

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Speaker 1: they are, you move in as close as you can

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Speaker 1: without busting them, and you sit down and try to

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Speaker 1: call them in. Very very similar to elk hunting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm calling in a twenty pound turkey instead of an

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Speaker 1: eight hundred pound screaming elk, But the game itself is

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Speaker 1: similar and I love everything about it. And if you

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Speaker 1: have any other questions for me or my guests on

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Speaker 1: the upcoming turkey episodes that we're just starting to get into,

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Speaker 1: please email them to us at CTD at Phelpsgame Calls

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Speaker 1: dot com, or you can send us a message on

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Speaker 1: any of our social media platforms and we'll do our

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Speaker 1: best to get them plugged in here. But with that said,

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Speaker 1: turkey hunting isn't some big, giant, complicated thing where you

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Speaker 1: need all this fancy gear, weapon tag. Do a little

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Speaker 1: bit of scouting, learn how to call, and go hunt

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Speaker 1: and have a blast to spring.

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Speaker 2: Thank you everybody, and