1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: So the big question is this, how do investors like 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: us get access to the ideas, information, and most importantly, 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: the right people that give us the tools and information 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: we need to make informed and educated decisions to have success. 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: That is the question, and this podcast will give us 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: the answers. This is Mark Moss, your host. Let's get 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: this started. Hey, welcome back everybody to another episode of 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: the Market Disruptors podcast. We like to talk about disruptive 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: technology and people who are constantly disrupting the status quo 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: finding new solutions to old problems. And today we have 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: a new guest that I'm super excited to talk about, 12 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: Ben Swan. He has been in the media for over 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: a decade or maybe even twenty years, pushing media. However, 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: he noticed that the way media was going was not good. 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: It was there was a lot of fake media coming out. 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: They're trying to sensationalize headlines, bearing stories and really just 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: not bringing the truth. So he started as own company 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: called Truth and Media to bring the truth and he's 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: been doing a great job. And he's and he's found 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: a way to use blockchain technology to help bring even 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: more true to the space to the space, and so 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: I'm super excited to talk to him today, so let's 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: get right into it. Cool. So, hey everyone, thanks for 24 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: tuning in. I am here today with Ben Swan. He's 25 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: been in the news and media for like the last decade, 26 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: asking tough questions, really looking for the truth and and 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: disrupting the traditional media you know that we all consume. 28 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: And and now he's harnessing the technology blockchain technology to 29 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: even further disrupt and the kind of helped fight censorship, 30 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: protect privacy, build trust. Uh. And I'm super excited. So 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: welcome Ben Mark. I might have summed it up good enough, 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: but why don't you give everyone listening just a better 33 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: idea of who you are, what you're doing, and maybe 34 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: why you're so passionate about it. Sure, absolutely so. UM. 35 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: Twenty years I've been a broadcast journalist. UM. Started out 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: as a as a news photographer UM, living in Texas 37 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: and New Mexico, my hometown of El Paso. UM, and 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: then spent, like I said, twenty years kind of moving 39 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: up the ranks. I've been a morning anchor of Eurouchief, 40 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: primetime ancor iver, work for NBC, CBS, Fox News, most 41 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: recently CBS News in Atlanta. UM. Have you know won 42 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: tons of awards. I've just kind of run the gamut 43 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: of what it means to be a broadcast journalist. UM. 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: But I've also found throughout my career that there's an 45 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: enormous amount of censorship that takes place as a journalist 46 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: in the United States UM and really got tired of it, 47 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: UH and saw an opportunity a year ago, a little 48 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: over a year ago, about a year and a half ago, 49 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: to move completely independent with the help of a couple 50 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: of cryptocurrencies, um dash and smart cash. So I was 51 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: actually able to do that, moved it offline away from 52 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: these networks, and then realized beyond that the the opportunity 53 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: to combine the power of blockchain and cryptocurrency with the 54 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: need for independent media and to make those two things 55 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: kind of coexist. And to me, they're they're an incredible 56 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: um synergy between those two things, simply because UM, disruption 57 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: in the news media has to come from independent media. 58 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: It's never gonna come from corporate media. There is so 59 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: much disruption being created on the financial side in terms 60 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: of blockchain right now, in cryptocurrency, and so these two 61 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: forces together I think are actually kind of married in 62 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: terms of intent and idea, and so the question is 63 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: how do we how do we make it all fit together? 64 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: And that's what we're working to do. Great. So, Um, 65 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: I like to talk about disruptive things. The channel is 66 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: called market disruptors, and I believe there's a lot of 67 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: opportunity by going against the status quote and I love this. 68 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: You know, new things are created and kills the old way, 69 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: and you're obviously disrupting the market or the media industry 70 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: as you said, it kind of has to be independent 71 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: now having't been in it for twenty years now, Um, 72 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: this evolution, right if we've seen have you seen this 73 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: evolution to where things are getting more controlled, more censored, 74 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: And that's kind of where you're acting out on that. Yeah, 75 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: so so obviously you know things have been somewhat censored 76 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: for a long time. But something pretty incredible happened in 77 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: uh the you know, with the with the advent of 78 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: the internet, but then especially with social media. Really about 79 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve to two thousand sixteen, there was about 80 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: a four year period where an incredible quantum leap took 81 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: place in terms of journalism. And a lot of people 82 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: don't even recognize this happened because they think you know, 83 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: social media came along, sure, and and newspapers kind of 84 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: died off more. But what really happened, what's super significant here, 85 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: is that from two thousands twelve to two thousand and sixteen, 86 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: social media moved away from just being a way to 87 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: connect with friends, and it became a platform, um kind 88 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: of an unprecedented platform for information to be spread um 89 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: through without the need for broadcast journalists, without the need 90 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: for traditional media, and it became a way for independent 91 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: media to reach audiences. And because of that, over the 92 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: last four years, what we saw from two thousand twelve 93 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: and two thousand and sixteen was this kind of growth 94 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: in that area. And so now since and all, there 95 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: has been an incredible pull back by those who are 96 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: in powered by government entities, by NGOs, by think tanks, 97 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: by political operatives, by media itself to say, we're going 98 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: to get control of that again, and we're going to 99 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: heavily censor anyone who does not fit our narrative. And 100 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: so what they've been doing since really the summer of 101 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: last year especially, there's been an unprecedented purge on Twitter, 102 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: on Facebook, on YouTube to to cleanse these platforms of 103 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: anyone who is not fitting that mainstream narrative, and a 104 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: lot of people think, you know what they've heard about it. 105 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: They say, oh, yeah, I've heard that Google censors conservatives. 106 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: Well that's true, but Google, since there's a lot more 107 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: than conservatives, Google is censoring anybody who is not fitting 108 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: that mainstream narrative. Facebook is doing the same thing. They're 109 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: working with the Atlantic Council, and that's been really hyped 110 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: up over the last year, where the Atlantic councils coming 111 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: in and saying, you need to remove these groups, remove 112 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: anyone who's saying these things. It's fascinating, Mark, because all 113 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: of this has been done under the guise of we've 114 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: got to protect elections, right, we have to have have 115 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: safety for the electoral process in the United States. But 116 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: what is actually happening is by purging all these independent 117 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: voices from the right, from the left, libertarians, anti war activists, 118 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: Green party folks, everyone who's getting censored, who's being taken 119 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: off is anyone who actually could provide a counter narrative 120 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: to what the mainstream says as they approach elections. And 121 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: so it's Facebook, by removing people, has done more to 122 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: actually affect the outcome of elections than any you know 123 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: anything they claim that they're trying to stop. Yeah. Wow, 124 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: there's so much here to unpack it. We could go 125 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: in for so super deep. But it's almost like they 126 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: got kind of caught off guard and information got decentralized 127 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: with the Internet, which was good, and then they realized like, 128 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: oh man, we're losing power, and it was kind of 129 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: this knee jerk reaction and as you said, write their 130 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: de platform and everybody and not just left or right, 131 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: but anyone not owing that that line, right, Um, And 132 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: we're really see in that. I I say, to understand 133 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: bitcoin or essentialized cryptocurrencies, you have to understand a bunch 134 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: of things and money and you know, politics, all these things. 135 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: But one of them is like philosophy. So the philosophy 136 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: of freedom of speech. Why do you think that's so important? Well, look, 137 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: I think when you get down to what the founders 138 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: essentially tried to create, right when when the documents were 139 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: first drafted, they gave birth to this nation. Um, there's 140 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: a reason why freedom of speech and freedom of religion 141 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: and freedom from government imposing religion, um, are all kind 142 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: of fitting together in this this first Amendment to the Constitution, Right, 143 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: this first right in our Bill of Rights, UM. And 144 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: and there there's a reason why freedom of speech and 145 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: freedom of the press are both included together because the 146 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: press was not And this is important for your viewers 147 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: to understand. The freedom of press was not about UM 148 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: a a profession and a lot of people have been 149 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: referring to it as such lately, and it's not true. UM. 150 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: You have to remember that that Thomas Payne Benjamin Franklin 151 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin was a professional journalist and owned newspapers. UM. 152 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: Thomas Payne was not Thomas Paine was a guy who 153 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: started writing leaflets and pamphlets and handing them out everywhere, 154 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: but saw himself as a journalist. Some people say he 155 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: was a propagandist, but he began to to share ideas 156 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: and concepts through writing. And so the idea of freedom 157 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: oppress and freedom of speech fits together, not because it's 158 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: a profession, but because you have the written word and 159 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: the spoken word both being protected as your God given 160 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: right UH to use. And so what I think what 161 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: we're seeing right now is this incredible crackdown on ideas 162 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: and on speech that is not accepted speech. There's a 163 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: big difference between UM having speech that is considered appropriate 164 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: or you know, um, um, not hateful and accepted speech. 165 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: And so what we've done, we've kind of brought everything 166 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: under under one banner and it's all now you have 167 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: to have acceptable speech and acceptance speech, and anything you'll 168 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: notice that does not fit mainstream narratives, suddenly it is 169 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: not acceptable speech in this country. I mean, you're not 170 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: allowed to talk about vaccines at all. Like I have 171 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people and I've done a lot of 172 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: stories on vaccines and scientifically, you know, showing this this 173 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,359 Speaker 1: very simple idea, right, which is that not all vaccines 174 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: are safe for all people in all quantities, at all 175 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: at all times. How dare you That's a very simple concept, right, Yeah, 176 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, when you when you say that, that is 177 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: considered to be dangerous. That's a word that's used a 178 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 1: lot now, dangerous, um, And the idea that you are 179 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: pushing ideas that are a danger to society, a danger 180 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: to the public, that can harm other people with your words. Um. 181 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: It is a very dangerous time in reality, uh, to 182 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: to speak any kind of truth to power, because everything 183 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: is deemed as being a danger a threat. Yeah, it's 184 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: it's almost if I mean, they just want everyone to 185 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: be just the sheep right where they're just seeing one thing, 186 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: and if you say anything out of line, then it 187 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: then it disrupts them. It it agitates them, and it 188 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,359 Speaker 1: makes them angry. Um. And I guess that is disturbing 189 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: the peace, right if everybody could just be thinking it brainwashed, right, 190 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: And I guess it keeps the peace. And I think, 191 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: uh so, I guess there's both sides, right, I mean, 192 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: I think I we both agree that having open dialogue 193 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: and discussion is really what brings that, but they think 194 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: everyone could just think the same thing. But what I'm 195 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: really bothered with is then once, once you're especially with 196 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: loss of privacy and fear of being censored, and people think, well, 197 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: I have nothing to hide, I don't care, but there's 198 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: always gonna be some one on the other side of 199 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: the table, And then what happens is we censor what 200 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: we start saying, and then we start censoring what we think. 201 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: Right then all the creativity dies. I mean that's a 202 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: big problem. Yeah, it absolutely, it's a big problem. And 203 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: and creativity dies, honest dialogue dies. Accountability dies. Um. And 204 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: as a journalist, you know, the number one responsibility that 205 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: the journalist has is to bring accountability to those who 206 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: are in power. That is the main thing that we do. 207 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: Unfore we're supposed to do. The main thing we do 208 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: now is we actually defend those who were in power 209 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: against criticism from the public. Um. And that's what what 210 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: journalism in America has turned into. It has turned into 211 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: and advocating for those who are in power um and 212 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: defending them against criticisms or questions from those who are 213 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: not in power. And our exact charge is supposed to 214 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: be the opposite, the fourth estate, that is journalism is 215 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: supposed to be diametrically opposed to that. We're supposed to 216 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: be the ones who challenge those who are in authority 217 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: and make them accountable. And free speech allows for accountability. 218 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: It demands accountability from those who are in power. And 219 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: that's not what we're seeing anymore. Yeah. Now, we can 220 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: talk about the political side of this all day, but 221 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: jumping into the tech side of it a little bit, um, 222 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: Like you were saying before, social media really kind of 223 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: helped this escalate and evolved pretty rapidly. Um and and 224 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: and it's a tool, right, So tools can be used 225 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: for good or bad um And in this case, it's 226 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: it's a tool for us to get information out there, 227 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: but it's also a tool for the powers that be, 228 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: whoever they are right to actually impose their will on us. Um. 229 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: And we're seeing that, right, Like you're talking about the 230 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: d platforming and the censoring and whatnot, but we're also seeing, um, 231 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, instances where now Facebook has been accused of 232 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: using their AI to actually mold people and get them 233 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: to act and feel certain ways. Right, Yes, absolutely, And 234 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 1: so that's that's pretty interesting. Uh. I know there was 235 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: a book Cass Sunstein wrote this book, um uh Nudge 236 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: where he talked about maybe we should have this way 237 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: where we can just kind of nudge people along in 238 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: the direction that we want. Um, that's really scary when 239 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: you think about that. Well, and and and the nudge 240 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: is no longer being being used anymore, right, which is 241 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: because because so on the tech side, right, you had 242 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: a lot of independent media who came along with the Internet. 243 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: So the early two thousands especially was the time when 244 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people were creating blogs, creating websites, going 245 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: into chat rooms having discussions that were outside the kind 246 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: of the mainstream norms. And then but the problem was 247 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: there was no good delivery method to get that information 248 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: from independent journalists to the public, and and social media 249 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 1: had no idea that it was about to become that 250 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: delivery system. Mark Zuckerberg and the guys who were creating 251 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: Facebook never thought this was going to become the largest 252 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: media company in the world, right, which is a platform 253 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: for the public to be able to access information. There's 254 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: actually a very interesting memo that was put out. It 255 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: was a fundraising memo put out by Media Matters for 256 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: America after the election. What they found in this memo 257 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: was that after they did some analytical dives, uh, they 258 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: found that the public number one was no longer being 259 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: influenced by broadcast media, that the broadcast journalists in America 260 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: did not sway the election the way they thought they 261 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: thought that they would. Number Two, they found that social 262 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: media became the platform by which people we're sharing information, 263 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: you know. Um. Thomas Woods likes to say that the 264 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: journalists in America were the gatekeepers right for years. They 265 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: would stand there and say, if you want access to information, 266 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: you gotta come through us to get it. The problem 267 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: was that with the Internet and especially now with social media, 268 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: he says, the walls fell down, the gates were still there. 269 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: But the walls fell down, and so the journalist still 270 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: stand in front of the gates, but everybody's just going 271 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: around them like this on the around the side and 272 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: saying I don't need you to get the information I want. 273 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: So what's happened in the last especially two years, has 274 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: been a doubled effort to say we're going to take 275 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: back those social media platforms because that is where conversations 276 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: are happening that shouldn't be happening. That's where UM information 277 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: is being shared that shouldn't be shared. And so if 278 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: you look at what's what's really going on on those 279 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: sites in I want to say November of last year, 280 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: eight hundred pages were purged off of Facebook in one day, 281 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: eight hundred pages completely across the political spectrum. Pages like 282 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: the Thought Project, the Anti Media UM, Conscious Resistance, anybody 283 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: who was was saying things outside that mainstream narrative UM. 284 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: And so what we're also seeing, and this is pretty 285 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: interesting on the tech side, is Facebook's rapid decline. Now, 286 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: if you look at Facebook's Q four numbers for last year, 287 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: they started jumping up and say look, no, no, look 288 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: it's good news. We're not declining. But the reason that 289 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: they didn't decline was because they they suddenly for the 290 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: first time, lumped Facebook users, Instagram users, What's App users, 291 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: and Messenger users all together into one pool and said, well, 292 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: those are our Facebook users. And that's not that's not true. 293 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: Facebook as a platform is actually in decline right now 294 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: because so many people who were once getting information there 295 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: can't find it anymore and so they're not even bothering 296 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: to log onto Facebook. Yeah. Now, um, being a free 297 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: market uh thinker, maybe a free market hopeful. Um. You know, 298 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: there's different viewpoints of this, But what would you say 299 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: to people who would say that, well, Facebook and Twitter 300 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: are private platforms and they're not the woman and if 301 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: they don't want to have that person on the platform, 302 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: and that's okay, what do you say about that? I'm 303 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: totally okay with that. I agree with that. Actually, um 304 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: So from a free market standpoint, I believe that companies 305 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: like Facebook, um absolutely do not have to have anyone 306 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: on their platforms. Now, there are some who will argue 307 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: that because they are not private companies in actuality, they're 308 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: publicly traded companies, they don't have that right right. They've 309 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: they've actually, um, they forfeit that right. When they begin 310 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: to become a publicly traded company, and I think there's 311 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: probably an argument to be had there about it UM. However, 312 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: I also believe this that that companies like Twitter and 313 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Facebook UM try to use their position once they have 314 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: gained an amassed a position to get government behind them 315 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: to impose new rules that won't apply to them or 316 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: that would prevent barrier to entry to competitors. So in 317 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: the free market, and that's what we have to watch 318 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: out for. In the free market, UM, companies like Facebook 319 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: and Twitter will ultimately lose because they choose UM to 320 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: take positions that are unfortunately UM the public doesn't like, 321 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: and then their user base doesn't like, which means they 322 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: create the opportunity for a competitor where there wasn't room 323 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: for a competitor prior to that. So I think that's 324 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: going to happen now. The problem is watch out for 325 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: when you see Mark Zuckerberg going and writing op eds 326 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: like he did recently where he says, UM, we really 327 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: need governments to take have more control over the internet, 328 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: more control over social media, and even offering to give 329 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: up portions of his control to government. It's his way 330 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: of saying, I need to prevent their too. You know 331 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: that that create that barrier to entry for anybody who's 332 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: going to be a competitor for me in the future. 333 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: I think that's what's happening. Yeah, definitely, and we see 334 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: that across every industry. Really they're using it's it's chrony 335 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: capitalism where they're using the government to to build those 336 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: modes for themselves. Now, like you said, they're public companies. Also, 337 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of government uh, you know, they're working 338 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: with the governments, you know, with an Amazon having servers 339 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: with the c i A, you know, potential uh Silicon 340 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: Valley funds come you know, from the CIA whatever going 341 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: into Facebook. So then then you can also argue that 342 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: as well, right, because that you know, what do you 343 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: think about the slippery slope that they may be setting 344 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: up for themselves. Right, So let's say that they're if 345 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: they're a platform, and they're a platform, and they're just like, hey, 346 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: all we are as a platform and we don't we're 347 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: not responsible for it's on there. Right now, they're taking 348 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: a position of Okay, it's up to us to be 349 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: a do good or we're gonna police this. But then 350 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: if they're going to take that responsibility. Then they have 351 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: to take the responsibility for the bad that comes with that. 352 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: Do you think they're a slippery slope there, Well, there 353 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: definitely is, and and in reality I can't believe that 354 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: based on the things that Mark Zuckerberg has set in 355 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: front of Congress where he was asked if Facebook is 356 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: a platform or a publisher, and of course they've always 357 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: said that we're They're just a platform, They're not the publisher, 358 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: and he basically repositioned the company in front of Congress 359 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: into no, we're actually a publisher, like, we take responsibility 360 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: for everything that's being published on our site. Well, I'm 361 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: so price that there has hasn't been a class action 362 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: lawsuits brought against them, were serious lawsuits brought against him 363 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: because of the fact that the moment you take that position, 364 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: you're no longer exempt under section two thirty of the 365 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: Communications Act in the US, which essentially means that you 366 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: have protections legal protections as a platform from what publishers 367 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: put on your side. So every song that you know 368 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: essentially has copyright issues that doesn't belong to the person 369 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: who uploaded it, every video clip, every you know, spoiler 370 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: from Avengers in game that ends up on Facebook. Um. 371 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: Facebook is now legally liable for and financially responsible for. 372 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: So it's it's incredible to me that there actually hasn't 373 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: been a lawsuit brought against Facebook yet. I'm shocked that 374 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: there hasn't been. I'd be shocked if there weren't one. 375 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: Because Zuckerberg has repositioned the company. Twitter has done the 376 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: same thing, jack Over. Twitter has taken the same position 377 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: that they're not so much a platform as they are 378 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: the publisher, and I think it's a very dangerous place 379 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: that they put themselves. Yeah, it's definitely gonna be interesting 380 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: to watch. Um could be could be their demise. I 381 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: I like to look at things like, you know, things 382 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: happen today and kind of imagine like where that goes 383 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: in the future. Now, Um, so this is kind of 384 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: this evolution that we're talking about and gidness to where 385 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 1: we are. Um. But now there's a new technology that's 386 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: coming out to disrupt things as well, right you you 387 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: mentioned you you're starting to use that with dash and 388 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: and whatnot. So tell me about what you think is 389 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: happening now, how how this new technology, blockade of technology 390 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: is going to disrupt now what we have which has 391 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 1: already disrupted the media industry, right, absolutely so, so in 392 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: terms of of blockchain and cryptocurrency has already created disruption 393 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: within financial spaces clearly, and that's been the case for 394 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: a long time. Bitcoin was making creating disruption and cryptocurrency 395 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: was creating disruption long before the most Americans even knew 396 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: what it was. Right, it's only at the point where 397 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: it begins to become kind of known to the masses 398 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: and have mass appeal that it's too late to to 399 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: for those who are against it to recognize the impact 400 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: that it's happened. So then now everyone's just trying to 401 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: catch up to it um and maybe even in some 402 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: cases co opted. But what we've found is that one 403 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: of the biggest hurdles that have been set up through 404 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: this process of consolidation of media and consolidation of of 405 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: platforms has been the defunding of constant creators. So if 406 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: you're a constant creator and you have Google Ads being 407 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: served to your website, um, they're not paying you anything 408 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: for it, and Google can set those rates. We're gonna 409 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: give you, you know, a couple sins per CPM per 410 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: thousand people who come to your site, So you make 411 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: no money on it, and they essentially run you out 412 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: of business by doing that. Facebook does the same thing 413 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: YouTube on YouTube. If you have a channel and you're 414 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: creating content, they suddenly go through and start demonetizing your 415 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: different UM stories that you put up or or different 416 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: videos that you put up, and they demonetize them for you. 417 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: So you know, there has been an incredible crackdown. Facebook 418 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: and Google together control about of all the ad market 419 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: on the Internet. That's an in incredible idea just in 420 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: and of itself, and so you have to look at, well, then, 421 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: how do we as the public, how do we as 422 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: journalists UM get funded? How do we find a sustainable 423 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: funding model? And so what I found was by partnering 424 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: with Dash, the current cryptocurrency Dash and also the cryptocurrency 425 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: smart Cash, through their treasury system, was able to actually 426 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: fund the content that we were creating. And what we 427 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: found was we really kind of walked away with a 428 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: a sensor proof um AD proof system for funding our content. 429 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: What's also interesting is when a lot of those major 430 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: purges took place on Facebook last year, I was not 431 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: hit with them. The reason I wasn't hit with them 432 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: was because the algorithms that Facebook was using to purge 433 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: a lot of these sites. They would look at them 434 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: and say, oh, if you have a website and you're 435 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: sending people off of Facebook in order to go to 436 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: your website, you now are going to be purged because 437 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: this now violates our new terms of service. Well, in 438 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: our case, it didn't hit us because we didn't have 439 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: to send people away to sites where they were getting 440 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: paid because we had our sponsors who were supporting us. 441 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: So we found a fantastic method of doing that in 442 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: the past. And that's why as we've looked forward into 443 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: this new project work that we're trying to create, we're 444 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: actually because let me just say this, when I started 445 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: doing this, I was the first journalist to actually fund 446 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 1: independent content through cryptocurrency. And as I did it, all 447 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: of a sudden, dozens of other independent journalists began turning 448 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: to these cryptocurrencies and asking, hey, can you guys fund 449 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: us as well, and can you support what we're doing. Well. 450 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: The problem is for both Dash and smart cash, their 451 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: cryptocurrency systems, their treasuries are not designed. They're not built 452 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: to actually do that. They're not built to support independent media. 453 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: There's they're built to support the coins through marketing and 454 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: so what I you know, I was talking with my 455 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: team and we said, well, maybe the answer is taking 456 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: what they've done in terms of their doubt, their decentralized 457 00:23:54,640 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: autonomous organization, and let's create one specific to independent journalists. 458 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: Let's create a doubt for them. Let's create a system 459 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: by which users and viewers can actually vote on proposals. Um, 460 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: content creators can create proposals and independent content can be created. 461 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: That doesn't make you reliant on Facebook and Google to 462 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: decide whether or not you're worthy of getting funding. Very interesting. 463 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: I want to I want to know more about that, 464 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: but I want to ask just one of the questions. First, 465 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: you talk about we've seen you know, Julian Osange and 466 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: wiki leaks getting paid in in bitcoin right when they 467 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: were cut off from all their sources. So we've been 468 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: seeing this uh happening. Um, well let's let's go. We'll 469 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: jump right into it. So you're talking about a way 470 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: to kind of build out on that right to get 471 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: more content funded through that and using like a dow right. 472 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: So there's uh, the coin, the project itself is then 473 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: having some sort of creation inflation or whatever that it 474 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: can pay for that media is that we're talking about. So, 475 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: so what what we're looking at doing is creating. Basically, 476 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: it's a three tiered system. It's a seven over the 477 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: top channel called ice media UM that has original content 478 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: let's created on it. There's a secondary channel system similar 479 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: to YouTube that would pick up people who are being 480 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 1: purged from these other sites so they can be content 481 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: creators and they can monetize that however they choose to. 482 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: But recognizing that a lot of content creators because one 483 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: of the tactics that's being used is to drive away 484 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: advertisers from them, UM, we would actually create a treasury 485 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: system through an s t O and we would create 486 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: a treasury system that would allow basically a funded treasury 487 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: UM that our users can then vote on proposals. So 488 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: then content is created and it's generated, and then through 489 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: voting on proposals, it creates an economy where people are 490 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: are actually using that tokenized economy. Got it. So, as 491 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: a content creator, especially one that's been d platform, that 492 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: could come over to that platform, start creating content and 493 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: then somehow tap into add revenue or something from that 494 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: treasury to get paid for the content that I'm creating. Exactly, 495 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: ad revenue and direct funding. So you could say, for instance, hey, 496 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: I here's some content I've created in the past. I 497 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: want to create. Let's say, uh, I want to create 498 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: a esodic series at details and I don't know whatever 499 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: it might be. Um, you know, it could be something 500 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: on us involvement in other countries and interfering in their elections. 501 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: It could be a documentary, it could be short form videos. 502 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: I want to just create a short form video explaining 503 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: to people the Bill of Rights and how it works. 504 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: Could be anything, right, What you would do is you 505 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: create your proposal. You'd submitted to the community, and the 506 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: community as a whole. That's why it's decentralized. Community as 507 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: a whole will actually vote on proposals and say we 508 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: like this one. That's you know, their funding seems reasonable. 509 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: That's what they're asking for in order to do it. Um, 510 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: this is what it's gonna take. This is their experience, 511 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: will fund it and they make it happen. Great. So, UM, 512 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: I look at the Internet as um. It decentralized information. 513 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: Like you said before, like the newspapers and the nightly 514 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: news was the gate keepers. But then, as you said, 515 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: I've never heard that before. But basically the Internet tore 516 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: the walls down, right, So information is everywhere, and you have, um, 517 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, somebody on a beach posting a picture on 518 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: Instagram and now I know what the weather on the 519 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: beach is like, right, So it's information is different today. 520 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 1: And I look at the blockchain. Teckn oology is doing 521 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: the same thing to value where value we just think 522 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: value as money and it's consentually controlled by the bank 523 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: central banks, but really values a lot more than just money. 524 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: There's lots of things that are value valuable, um, And 525 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: so one of those that I've been excited about is information. 526 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: And so really the main thing that really drew me 527 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: into bitcoin was censorship resistant. Obviously having censorship resistant money 528 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: is a big piece of that, but what about censorship 529 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: resistant information? Right? Well, and I think if you and 530 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: I had had this conversation even two or three years ago, 531 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: when the need was still there, it would have seemed 532 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: more like a tinfoil hat conversation, right about creating censorship 533 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: resistant information. People would say, you don't really need that. 534 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: But I think we're living in a moment when when 535 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: many more people can now say, yeah, we absolutely do 536 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: need it, because what they recognize is the all out 537 00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: assaults on um information that does not fit a certain narrative. 538 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: And and what's fascinating to me over the years is 539 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: I find that there, uh, there's a lot of overlap. 540 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,239 Speaker 1: But there there are people within you know, groups of 541 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: tens of millions who are in these different groups that 542 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: have a belief system and they may think that one 543 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: group is wrong about, you know, their belief in being 544 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: anti war, but they believe in vaccines and and vaccine 545 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: freedom excuse me, uh. And then there's another group who says, well, 546 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: I don't want really talk about the vaccines too much, 547 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: but I definitely think that our electoral process is broken 548 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: and right. And so there's a lot of different overlap 549 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: within these groups. And the one thing that many of 550 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: them will have in common is they believe that people 551 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: should have the right to speak, just to have the 552 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: right to to to be able to share information at all. Now, 553 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: one of the lies that we're being told right now, 554 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: and this is you know, if you tell a lie 555 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: over and over and over, eventually it becomes the truth. 556 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: And one of the lies that were being told consistently 557 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: by media and my politicians, uh, is that the biggest 558 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 1: danger in our society is fake news or bad information, 559 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: and so we we must have all stop bad information 560 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: from being shared. But in reality, bad information has always 561 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: been shared. It's always been a part of the discourse. 562 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: You know, Untrue statements have always been a part of 563 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: the discourse. Actually, with the Internet, we have a much 564 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: better tool for being able to decipher what is true 565 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: and what is not true than we ever did in 566 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: the past. If you go back to again things that 567 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: our government has told us over the years, and and 568 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 1: the way that we've gotten into wars, for instance, in 569 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: the past, go back even as recently in recent history 570 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: as the two thousand three invasion of Iraq, how much 571 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: bad information where we as the public fed from media, 572 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: from politicians, and from the Bush administration about Iraq. Flash 573 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: forward to two thousand twelve, two thousand thirteen, and when 574 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: the Obama administration was attempting to do the same thing 575 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: to go into Syria, the public as a whole was 576 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: far more educated as to what they were saying and 577 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: why it may not be true, and the fact that 578 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: there were other counter narratives than they ever were in 579 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: two thousand three. So the idea that the Internet is 580 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: actually made us dumber, more susceptible to being deceived more quickly. Um, 581 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: kind of having the will pulled over our eyes. I 582 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: think it's an absolute lie. It's not it's not true, 583 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: and it's not backed up by facts. Yeah, that's that's crazy. 584 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: And and uh, you know, the thought that we need 585 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: government to regulate. I guess what you would call morality 586 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: right where it's like I have little kids, I see 587 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: what happens at the playground at school, like they tell untruths, 588 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: like they tell lies, like you know what I mean, 589 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: and I have a good night school. They do the 590 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: same thing. And in business and politicians, I mean it's 591 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: lies are just part of it. And and the government 592 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: wants to take this role where they're gonna legislate or 593 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: you know, somehow regulate that um as opposed to maybe 594 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: in school they could just teach critical thinking, right, right, 595 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: which would be far more effective. Right, It's far more 596 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: effective to know how to be a critical thinker than 597 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: it is to be able to detect whether or not 598 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: you're being lied to on this one occasion, whether this 599 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: one lie is allowed to exist. And then and then 600 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: the thing that you have, I guess what they want 601 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,959 Speaker 1: as a central body to determine what's true and what's not, 602 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: which is where we're headed, which is where we're headed, 603 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: which is really scary. So so back to that question, um, 604 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: do you see the technology being used for censorship resistant 605 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: information as well? Uh? Is that happening now or is 606 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: that somewhere in the future it needs to happen. It's not. 607 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it's quite happening yet. So there are 608 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: a couple of important thing functions that we see blockchain having, 609 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: uh in the project that we're trying to launch, And 610 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: one of the things is to create, number one, a 611 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: system by which whistleblowers can actually anonymously blow the whistle, 612 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: which is something that's actually gone away completely in our society, 613 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: even though we have federal laws that have been created, 614 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: a Federal whistle Blower Protection Act that was created specifically 615 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: for the purpose of protecting whistleblowers. But when they end 616 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: up dead, that all goes out the window, right or 617 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: they go to prison anyways, right, you go when you 618 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: share this information, and then all of a sudden you 619 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: realize that under the Obama administration, we have more whistleblowers 620 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: prosecuted than under every other president in history combined, and 621 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: that has only continued under President Trump. It has not changed, 622 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: uh in the in the time that he's been in office, 623 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: and so we have seen an unprecedented crackdown on whistle blowing. 624 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: UM blockchain actually creates an ability for people to anonymously 625 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: be able to share that information and spread that information, which, 626 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: by the way, we as the public of a right 627 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: to We have a as the public. I don't care 628 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: if you call it classified or unclass I don't care 629 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: what you call it. If I am an American taxpayer, 630 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: I have the right to know what my government is doing. 631 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: I have that authority under the Constitution. The other thing 632 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: is UM that this technology can do as well, is 633 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: it can create a permanent record of a lot of information. 634 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: So there is a lot of bad information that is 635 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: presented by media on a regular basis. I know this 636 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: as a journalist. There have been many times, and I'm 637 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: all about being fact based the reports that I do. 638 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: If if your people, um, your viewers will look for 639 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: Ben Swan reality check online. We do a lot of 640 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: segments called reality check, done them for years. UM. I've 641 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: done them with Fox and CBS and then them independently. 642 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: And if you watch that content, what you find is 643 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: we are incredibly fact based. It's not about opinions or emotions. 644 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: It's about let's go to the facts of what the 645 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: facts say. And one thing I have found is that 646 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: even having done that and and sourcing my information very precisely, Um, 647 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: I am called a crazy person, right and a liar. 648 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: And he's spreading this information. And you know, he claims 649 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: that this has happened, and this has happened. I'll give 650 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: you a quick example. So one of the things that 651 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: I've shared is as I mentioned alluded to before about vaccines, 652 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: is this idea that not all vaccines are safe for 653 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: all people in all quantities, at all times. That is provable, 654 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: that is scientically provable fact, no question, um, and and 655 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: and HHS recognizes that we have a thing in this 656 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: country called Vaccine Court. It was started in and it 657 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: allows for it bans essentially people from suing vaccine makers, 658 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: but it allows for a process by which a vaccine 659 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: court will look at vaccine injuries and then compensate families 660 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: of children who have been injured by vaccines. And that 661 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: program has paid out something like four billion dollars since 662 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: it was created. If if no vaccines have harmed anyone 663 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: ever then that four billion dollars was either stolen or 664 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: wrongfully given out by HHS. The reason it's important is 665 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: because if you say that as as I have as 666 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: a journalist, there are others who will come along and say, no, 667 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: he's lying, it's not true, he's denying vaccines. But they 668 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: try to smear you with all these things, and it's 669 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: very difficult to find that information if you as a 670 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: parent or you as a viewer saying I want to 671 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: know what's true, and somebody tell me what's actually true, 672 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: especially right now with the Internet set up the way 673 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: that it is with Google, who does, by the way, 674 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: hide search results, who does bury search results? Who does 675 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: create a system by which they flag certain subjects and 676 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: hide them where you don't find them. There needs to 677 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: be a system that's created that creates a permanent record 678 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: of a lot of these kinds of pieces of information 679 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: so that they are readily accessible. They are permanent um 680 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: and they are not tampered with, so that the public 681 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: can have access to them and find them. Because we 682 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: need a public that can debate and can critically think, 683 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: and you're not going to get that without good information. Yeah, Yeah, 684 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: that's what I'm That's what I'm excited about. I know, 685 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, there's the stuff that my kids. The history 686 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: that my kids are learning is different than the history 687 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: that I learned when I was a kid, right, like 688 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: the books are being rewritten, and so to have that 689 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: immutable censorship information is good. And you know, unfortunately you 690 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: have to be ready for the good and the bad because, um, 691 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: it either is or it isn't immutable, and so you're 692 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: gonna get good and bad. But maybe that's just okay. 693 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: We we should have the right to just tune out 694 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: to stuff we don't like. I guess. Um, So I 695 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: know you were using a platform called D two for 696 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: a while. Are you still using that? So we have 697 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: not been using it lately? Um? I have. I think 698 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: it's a great platform, no problem with it. Um. It's 699 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: different than the the platform that we're building in that 700 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: it emulates YouTube very closely, and what we're creating really doesn't. 701 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: What we're creating is more like a Netflix meets YouTube 702 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: meets a Treasury system. Your will your platform be censorship resistant? 703 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: For absolutely as well? Absolutely it will be, UM, and 704 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: we will have some very very basic terms of use. 705 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: But what we're not going to do is be the 706 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: group that stands over you and says, you know, can't 707 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: you can't say things that other people deem is hateful. 708 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: And I know that's difficult to say because we live 709 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: in a time when you're immediately attacked for that. Right. Oh, 710 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: you you're encouraging violence, you're encouraging hate speech. That that 711 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: those are all lies, those are all um concepts that 712 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 1: are being manufactured right now to say, anyone who says 713 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: anything that we disagree with is considered hate speech, and 714 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: so it's all being lumped together. And what you do 715 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: if when you were strategically doing that is you go 716 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: and you find the most um extreme example possible and 717 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: you say, well, no one would agree with this, right, 718 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: we don't want to agree with this, And you say, 719 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: of course I don't want to agree with that. That's 720 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: that's crazy. Good. Well, then you agree with us that 721 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: we need censorship. No, we agree that that the most 722 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: out landish things that call for violence against other people, um, 723 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: that call for um um the death of other people, 724 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: injury to other people. You know, I'm very libertarian. I 725 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: believe in those two major principles. Do not hurt people, 726 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: do not take their stuff, right, I believe in those 727 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: two things. However, I also believe that people have the 728 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: right to speak, and and even if I disagree with them, 729 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: in fact, I encourage people I disagree with to speak. 730 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: Listening to someone else is the only way that you're 731 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: going to be able to get them to listen to you, 732 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: and having dialogue is the only way you actually change 733 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: people's minds. This concept that we're going to take people 734 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: who are on the fringes of society, who are the 735 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: most lost right now in terms of their their worldview, 736 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: that we're going to fix that by suppressing them. Don't 737 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: hear from them, pretend they don't exist. It never goes away. 738 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: There's no time in history that has ever cured anything. 739 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: The thing that changes people is to speak and to 740 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: have dialogue, and to help people to see that maybe 741 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: these thoughts I'm having don't make sense, and maybe it 742 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: does make sense to go a different way. Yeah, And 743 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: cast Suenstein's book Why Societies Need Dissent he wrote in 744 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: two thousan three, which is interesting. He wrote a book 745 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen three called Democracy and the Problem of Free 746 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: Speech where he thought we didn't need free speech. Then 747 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 1: he wrote a book in two thousand three said why 748 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: societies do need it, and he actually said he concluded 749 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: he's a he's a University of Chicago law professor, which 750 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of his, but interesting that 751 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: he said this where basically he says that the suppression 752 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: of of speech is actually what causes this terrorism and 753 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: things to come out because these they're being silenced and 754 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: it's being suppressed as opposed to allowing it to come 755 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,760 Speaker 1: out and kind of have that truly free society prohibits 756 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: censorship enables free expression to occur. So he kind of 757 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: came to that conclusion, which was interesting. So, um, I 758 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: guess to recap this disruption, uh, I guess media information 759 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: had kind of relatively remained unchanged up until the Internet days. 760 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: The Internet changed it, as you said, toward the gates down. 761 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: Now a sudden there's knee jerk reaction to like pull 762 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: back control, which they're doing pretty good right now, the 763 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: platform and everybody wrapping everything up. But now we have 764 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: a new technology that is about to change it again. Right, 765 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: So that's kind of where we're at. Yeah, absolutely, I 766 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: think we do. And I think the question, you know, 767 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: it goes back to what you had said before about Um, 768 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: you know these big companies and what do you do 769 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: with them? Well, the thing you do is you just 770 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: create an alternative to them, UM, and you create a 771 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: better alternative. Right, It's not just like, oh, we're gonna 772 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: copy what they're doing. Let's create something that's better. Let's 773 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: create something that that others haven't created before, UM, and 774 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: let's create something that actually has value, not necessarily monetary value, 775 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 1: but it has value to society, it has value to people. 776 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: And so that's what we're doing. And and if people 777 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: want to learn more about the project that we're doing, 778 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: it's the name is a little complicated. It's ice Agoria 779 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: dot com. I Sgori is actually a Greek word. It 780 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: means equality in the right to speak. It's one of 781 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: the oldest words um in language dealing with democracy. It 782 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: goes back to the ancient Greeks for sure, where ice 783 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: i s e media. But if you go to isagoria 784 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: dot com, you can read all about the project and 785 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: what we're putting together, the team we're putting together, what 786 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: we're trying to do. But I think the main thing 787 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: that we want is to help create a society UM 788 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: that better represents what our founders tried to create a 789 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: place where it's not a perfect society, but certainly a 790 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: place where debate is fostered and not crushed or dissent 791 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: um is allowed, because it makes all of us better. 792 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: It makes those who are in power more accountable. It 793 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: makes those who have the ability to to foster change, 794 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: it gives them the ability to foster that change. And 795 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: I think that all of that can happen UM with 796 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: a more open dialogue, which we're fast losing in this country. Yeah, 797 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: that's awesome and I love it and I'm supporting it. UM. 798 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: So where you mentioned the website, I'll link to that 799 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: in the show notes. Where else can people keep up 800 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: with you? Um for more on this? So after all 801 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: this conversation, I'm on Facebook. You can find me on Facebook, 802 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: so just search Ben Swan or Ben Swan Reality check, Twitter, 803 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: Instagram on those as well. It's at bin swan Underscore YouTube. 804 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: And then we have a website which we haven't been 805 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: doing a whole lot with lately, but we're gonna get 806 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: it back up and running truth and Media dot com. 807 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: We had a lot of archives on there of content 808 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: we've done in the past, and it gives people on 809 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: idea of the kinds of stuff that we do. Great, 810 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,280 Speaker 1: all right, I'll link to all that in the show notes, 811 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: and uh, everybody should check it out. And uh, like 812 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: you said, even if you don't agree with the speech, 813 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: you should support the right and the freedom to have 814 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: that speech. So that's it. I hope you guys enjoyed. Hey, 815 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: if you like this episode of the Market Disruptors Podcast, 816 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: please help us take this to the top of the 817 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: podcast charts. Just please do me a favor and rate, 818 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: review and subscribe. Taking fifteen seconds to just leave a 819 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: quick review goes a long way in helping us reach 820 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: more people and disrupt more markets. 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