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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: Good morning, guys, welcome to another episode of The Cowboys Break.
Speaker 1: Nick why are you laughing? I don't know, but remember
Speaker 1: Garcia at your host for the day with all right,
Speaker 1: gang NICKI, David Hellman. We have a very unusual guest
Speaker 1: on the show, mister Derek. Wow. How are you? Derek?
Speaker 1: I'm good. Anything you would like to say to your
Speaker 1: fans out there that have been missing you? Any numbers
Speaker 1: you want to provide? Well, it is episode number twelve,
Speaker 1: No A number eleven. I'm sorr episode number eleven and
Speaker 1: uh and I really don't have anything to say because
Speaker 1: I don't really have fans other than maybe my wife,
Speaker 1: my kids. How many episodes of those of those eleven?
Speaker 1: Have you been here for three? I knew I was
Speaker 1: gonna face this, but I got here today, so I
Speaker 1: was I was ready for it. It's you know, I
Speaker 1: have things to do. I have other business responsibilities in
Speaker 1: the building. Boss stuff, yeah, boss man, boss man doing.
Speaker 1: Of course, last week was more personal, but most of
Speaker 1: weeks is business. Okay, Well, we're happy you're back here.
Speaker 1: Thank joining us, Thank you. I'll take care of your
Speaker 1: role today. I heard you did a good job though
Speaker 1: last year. A. Yeah, she's been she's actually been really good.
Speaker 1: I actually enjoyed listening to the show with her hosting,
Speaker 1: So that's why she's doing it today. You got Tony Romode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's funny because she was told that
Speaker 1: she's gonna do a Wally Pip and she was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, she has no idea how Luke Garrett,
Speaker 1: you don't need to say. You don't need to say
Speaker 1: Wally pips, say Tony. Okay, well let's jump right into
Speaker 1: this whole show. I'm just gonna run through the list
Speaker 1: of the guys that didn't practice yesterday. Terence William, Ellie Collins,
Speaker 1: Terren Smith, The Marcus Florence, Sean Lee, Charles Stapford, Tackle
Speaker 1: Deanta Thompson, Cedric Wilson. Can I stop you real quick?
Speaker 1: What if you just list the guys who did anything
Speaker 1: did something. Yeah, but Joe Louni and Cony Ealy now
Speaker 1: late in vanders I just wanted to mention him real quick.
Speaker 1: He got an injury, an injury on his ankle, nothing serious,
Speaker 1: not a big deal, but it was more a precautionary
Speaker 1: which prompted the questions from fans asking this whole thing
Speaker 1: about injuries and what happened last year at training camp,
Speaker 1: the whole you know, hamstrings, and how that prevented some
Speaker 1: of the guys to step into at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season. How is that? And this is hard to answer,
Speaker 1: but help me out here and try to figure this out.
Speaker 1: How is this? How could the Cowboys possibly prevent this
Speaker 1: from happening again? I think they can prevent it by
Speaker 1: doing exactly what you just read yesterday and just keep
Speaker 1: those guys out and everything that they do. Yeah, they'd
Speaker 1: like them out here, but if they've got any sign
Speaker 1: of soreness or being tired fatigued, you got you know,
Speaker 1: an injury here and there, hold them out. And these
Speaker 1: fans that are upset by what they see and read,
Speaker 1: they'd be a lot more upset if they just pushed
Speaker 1: them really hard here and then they're out for like
Speaker 1: six months, So I think the Cowboys were doing exactly
Speaker 1: what you should do at this point. It's just get
Speaker 1: them out there, but be very cautious of anything that happens.
Speaker 1: So in case this happens again, let's say with some
Speaker 1: of these rookies how we saw happening last year. Is
Speaker 1: this something that the Cowboys could handle and be okay
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season with certain positions? What
Speaker 1: are y'all thoughts? What do you what do you mean? Like,
Speaker 1: are you talking about the depth of this position if
Speaker 1: somebody gets hurt at training camp? Yeah? Okay. For example,
Speaker 1: last year we got two guys on the second theory
Speaker 1: that guy her and the Cowboys were kind of able
Speaker 1: to yeah, signific to get him out of most of it,
Speaker 1: in fact, and you see Ryan Swiss are but his
Speaker 1: They were able to cover that and handle that. But
Speaker 1: at certain positions that are more key to the game.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like that's the age old thing with football,
Speaker 1: right I mean, like it looks good right now, but yeah,
Speaker 1: tell me who's missing in for how long and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you how big of a problem it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: if if Layton Vanderesh having a gimpy ankle right now
Speaker 1: doesn't concern me at all, But if he can't go
Speaker 1: for a significant chunk of train camp, that's a little
Speaker 1: more problematic. Same with Connor Williams as well. These first
Speaker 1: and second round picks are a lot different than they
Speaker 1: were last year as far as how much that they're
Speaker 1: expected to contribute. I will say with you know, knock
Speaker 1: on Wood, I have sky high expectations for Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: but I'd feel far better about him being unavailable than
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh, just because of the situation with your linebackers
Speaker 1: as opposed to your offensive line. But honestly, I feel
Speaker 1: pretty good about the depth that most positions. They're only
Speaker 1: really two positions. I think depth could be a problem.
Speaker 1: I think linebackers one of them, um and I think
Speaker 1: safety Z other safety c obvious one. But I think
Speaker 1: outside of that, I'm I'm hard pressing. I'm may be
Speaker 1: missing one, but I'm hard pressed to think of a
Speaker 1: position where I'm I'm thinking that, Well, they got a
Speaker 1: hundred of them that they're gonna now they're all yeah,
Speaker 1: but ninety nine of them are unproven. Okay, and that's good.
Speaker 1: But guess what You're going into the season with unproven receivers.
Speaker 1: You accepted that we made the decisions, you made a
Speaker 1: soft season. I don't know that an injury changes that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. So so I just think those two positions.
Speaker 1: To me, I look at those two positions, and those
Speaker 1: are the ones I'm most concerned about death. I mean, yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: Well you go down and down, all right. I don't
Speaker 1: want to kill the thing. Okay, no, no, and that's true.
Speaker 1: I mean, quarterback goes down for most teams around the league.
Speaker 1: You're except for the Super Bowl champ, you're probably in trouble, right.
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to play more than a
Speaker 1: couple of games without Zeke. I mean, if we're really
Speaker 1: just taking a look at it. But there's a difference
Speaker 1: between depth and I know, my greatest my star players, right,
Speaker 1: I'm being a smartass. Thank you, Dave. Yeah, okay, let's
Speaker 1: just it's another subject. There was something that came up yesterday.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really a fun fact about the
Speaker 1: left tackle position and some of the guys on the
Speaker 1: old line that have played at that spot and why
Speaker 1: they've become nowaday and what this may mean to Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins future. Do you do you guys know what happened
Speaker 1: there with that position? Plenty to me, Dave, you wrote
Speaker 1: to Colin, I was there. Yeah, so go ahead, I'll
Speaker 1: let you get into those guys. Well, it's interesting, which
Speaker 1: it's always fun when a player is like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: really interesting, Like I thought about that, because usually players
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about whatever you're asking about. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting point that four of the five
Speaker 1: presumed starters on the offensive line have played left tackle
Speaker 1: at some point in their career. That includes Lyle, Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, and Tyron Smith. Really, Travis Frederick is the
Speaker 1: only presumed starter who's never spent time out there. And
Speaker 1: Lyle said it himself. He's like, you know, at least Lyle,
Speaker 1: He's like, at least I think that your left tackles
Speaker 1: your best guy. So you've got four guys who were
Speaker 1: the man for their offensive line at some point and
Speaker 1: which he was basically like, I don't really know what
Speaker 1: to do with that information. But it's cool though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cool. It's a cool little fact. I think it's similar.
Speaker 1: It is a cool fact, and I think it would
Speaker 1: but it just goes to show that you've got talented players.
Speaker 1: I think you could probably go to every NBA team,
Speaker 1: every baseball team and say at some point you batted
Speaker 1: clean up and you pitched, and you were the center,
Speaker 1: you know, at some point, because it just shows you
Speaker 1: were a badass at Now. The interesting part is most
Speaker 1: of the that is college though, right, Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: think not just high school Tyrn. Tyron is the only
Speaker 1: guy among them that's played left tackle in the pros.
Speaker 1: But but but yeah, no, I mean, Lyle was the first
Speaker 1: team All Conference left tackle, Zach was for a second
Speaker 1: team All American left tackle, Yeah, and Connor was first
Speaker 1: team All Big Twelve. I mean they all were accomplished
Speaker 1: left at big schools. Yeah, that's that's impressive. Do you
Speaker 1: think that any of that um makes the Cowboys feel better?
Speaker 1: If knock on wood, you know, let's say in the
Speaker 1: next two or three years, Tyn gets to the point
Speaker 1: where neck, back a are bigger issues, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to retire, I'm ready to give it up.
Speaker 1: I'm just this is just as soon the first time
Speaker 1: that's been thrown out to you know. Oh, yes, well
Speaker 1: he had a little bit more. She was a little
Speaker 1: more emphatic than I was. But but no, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: does that make you feel better because you have some
Speaker 1: players here, some really good players here, that have had
Speaker 1: some experience at left tackle, and you don't feel like
Speaker 1: you're completely exposed if something like that should happen. I
Speaker 1: think so, And I think you definitely have some experience
Speaker 1: guys at left tackle. Really, what it shows me more
Speaker 1: than anything is that you have an athletic line. You
Speaker 1: have line with a good feet that can get on
Speaker 1: the move. Obviously, to play left tackle, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to have some some good feet. So I think that
Speaker 1: that's what it shows me, is that you've got two
Speaker 1: guards that can actually you know, that have had that
Speaker 1: kind of ability mobility too. I gotta see it happened
Speaker 1: before I say that they won't be exposed, because they
Speaker 1: got exposed big time last year because of that. But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm I'm starting to become a believer
Speaker 1: that Lyle could do that at some point in his
Speaker 1: career if if need be, or you know, when his
Speaker 1: contract runs out here, if he wants to test the market,
Speaker 1: or however that plays out, like, he could probably do that.
Speaker 1: And I think I'll I just Zach Martin's one of
Speaker 1: those guys where I'm like, yeah, you can fly sure,
Speaker 1: like whatever whatever you want to do. Like, yeah, Zach
Speaker 1: probably has X ray vision, like I'll do Like, I
Speaker 1: just think he can do anything. So and that's all.
Speaker 1: Also just considering the fact that Tyron is probably I
Speaker 1: saw you tweeted yesterday when he's helped, he's probably the
Speaker 1: best left tackle in football. So no matter who you
Speaker 1: put out there, it's may not be as good as
Speaker 1: the best tackle in football, but you may be able
Speaker 1: to get by because you have guys that have some
Speaker 1: experience and they're good players. Well that's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the flip side of that, is like, oh, these guys
Speaker 1: are also good. They all played left tackle in college. Well,
Speaker 1: Tyron's the first team All Pro in the pros, right,
Speaker 1: so big difference. Yeah, he's the man on this line,
Speaker 1: which is different from being the man at LSU. The
Speaker 1: hope is that you haven't for a very very long time,
Speaker 1: I hope. So yeah, fingers crossed for a healthy O
Speaker 1: line this year. Okay, so now let's get into some
Speaker 1: exciting things regarding Tavon Austin. And that's a guy that
Speaker 1: we discussed last week and the week before and kind
Speaker 1: of what is his role gonna be with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen them. We came to the conclusion that
Speaker 1: maybe the Cowboys were kind of hiding him away from
Speaker 1: other teams and keeping him like a secret weapon. Well,
Speaker 1: now we finally saw him with the first team and
Speaker 1: kind of everywhere doing a little bit of everything. So
Speaker 1: what did you guys think about his role in how
Speaker 1: the Cowboys utilized him? Yesterday? I have no choice but
Speaker 1: to assume that somebody over there listens to our show
Speaker 1: and they were like, whoa, we don't want Dave to
Speaker 1: be mad, so we better show Tavon at the next
Speaker 1: OTA because yeah they did. I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 1: still OTAs, but we just got to see TV. He
Speaker 1: was running some all the stuff that you would think
Speaker 1: of him doing, Like he took some carries out of
Speaker 1: the backfield, he was lined out wide, he was lined
Speaker 1: up in the slot, took some they did some jet
Speaker 1: sweep stuff like nothing that you couldn't have guessed that
Speaker 1: he would do, but he was just doing it. So
Speaker 1: that was fun to see. I love him as a
Speaker 1: gadget guy, like just being able to do all those
Speaker 1: different things. I mean, he's not going to be a
Speaker 1: guy that's going to be a starter per se, but
Speaker 1: he's gonna get opportunities and he's gonna get opportunities to
Speaker 1: make play for this team, which I think they've kind
Speaker 1: of missed in the last few years, having just kind
Speaker 1: of a guy that can do a little bit of
Speaker 1: everything that can present. You know, people always talk about
Speaker 1: we hear fansay at all the time, and we've actually
Speaker 1: mentioned it on our show. By the creativity of this
Speaker 1: offense and not having it at times, I think this
Speaker 1: guy ultimately gives you a ton of ability to be
Speaker 1: creative and come up with some good opportunities for your offense.
Speaker 1: I think he'll go as far as Zeke can help
Speaker 1: take him. I think this running game, this offensive line
Speaker 1: in the running game, if they are doing what they're
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing, then I think guys like Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin can really benefit from that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: she's going to be a starter first team, but he's
Speaker 1: gonna be out there doing a lot of things. And
Speaker 1: what I like the most is but what we were
Speaker 1: able to do the last few days and talk to
Speaker 1: a lot of players and we're putting together a package
Speaker 1: on speed and the fastest guy on the team, and
Speaker 1: you got the answer, Oh it's Tavon for sure. By
Speaker 1: a lot of people that said Tavon is still the
Speaker 1: fastest by far. So yeah, good. I just think that
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. I mean, it's a good I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people think, well, he's not what
Speaker 1: he was or he's been a bus He can run,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't always had the running game around him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Girly had had a great year last year, but he
Speaker 1: was banged up a lot. He hasn't always had a
Speaker 1: great running game that he could kind of benefit from.
Speaker 1: And to the Rams credit, you don't draft the guys
Speaker 1: seventh overall to benefit off someone else. He's supposed to
Speaker 1: be the playmaker. As it turns out, he needed help.
Speaker 1: He's got it here in Dallas. Talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about both you guys out all three you guys, talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about the speed on this team because
Speaker 1: we we for years talked about he Neil Moore speed,
Speaker 1: especially a wide receiver. They get Tavon Austin, they get
Speaker 1: Deonte Thompson. Uh, you know you got Zeke who can
Speaker 1: run obviously, Um, talk about the speed this year versus
Speaker 1: last year. You know, do you see it as a
Speaker 1: big upgrade in speed and how do you think that
Speaker 1: translates when when game time, game time comes, Well, let's
Speaker 1: just look at like the Atlanta game or any of
Speaker 1: those games. I guess that Zeke was out. You know,
Speaker 1: you look at a game like that, how many positions
Speaker 1: are they faster than they were before? I mean Atlanta game.
Speaker 1: Obviously your left tackles is faster than than you know,
Speaker 1: I think tyrans mets a better athlete than Chazz Green,
Speaker 1: but the running back is going to be better. You're
Speaker 1: tight end is going to be more athletic. He's I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's anything else, but he's going to
Speaker 1: be more athletic. And your wide receivers are going to
Speaker 1: be more athletic, I think, than than what you had
Speaker 1: in that game. So that's just one game. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that, I think from an athletic standpoint, you're
Speaker 1: seeing it a lot. I steal this from Well, you
Speaker 1: weren't here anyway, so you don't know I'm stealing it
Speaker 1: from Nick, but I listened there. They're side their side
Speaker 1: to side, their lateral speed encourages me like Tavon, we've
Speaker 1: seen Deontay Thompson can do some of those types of things.
Speaker 1: Plus he has that downfield speed. I don't think of
Speaker 1: the rest of it, Like, I don't think it's going
Speaker 1: to be drastically different intern I mean's Zeke Zeke. I
Speaker 1: don't like Alan Hearns isn't faster than Dez. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: imagine Terrence's Terrence. So I don't think it's like this
Speaker 1: drastic difference. But there is that element, which you know,
Speaker 1: I talked about this yesterday with somebody during practice. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, nothing logically dictates that Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: has to make this team, Like he's not commanding this
Speaker 1: crazy salary or anything like that. But I just think
Speaker 1: it's almost a given that he's going to because of
Speaker 1: that element that he can bring. Where again, you know,
Speaker 1: you go back to Lucky Whitehead, even when he's not
Speaker 1: getting the ball, you have to respect that he's moving
Speaker 1: across the formation more so than Lucky white Yeah, and
Speaker 1: just all that type of stuff. So, like, I do
Speaker 1: think there's an element that they didn't have last year
Speaker 1: where they have a couple of guys who can threaten
Speaker 1: that way? Is it at all concerning to you, guys,
Speaker 1: that an offense is good as Saint Louis's. Actually, la
Speaker 1: the Rams last year wasn't able to find a more
Speaker 1: a larger role for a guy like this that has
Speaker 1: those kinds of skills, Because you think about it, Nick,
Speaker 1: you were talking about how much Zeke would help and
Speaker 1: will Todd Gurley is an equally great running back, right,
Speaker 1: and it's is it somewhat troubling to you at all
Speaker 1: that they weren't able to find that right way to
Speaker 1: be able to get the most out of him that
Speaker 1: we suspect the Cowboys will have to try to get
Speaker 1: out of him. I would say that's the concerning part
Speaker 1: of it. But what gives me hope, it's the fact
Speaker 1: is when you see the coaches talking so well about
Speaker 1: him and how excited they are to have him on
Speaker 1: the team, and seeing his teammates reaction and appreciation and
Speaker 1: recognition of what kind of speed he has and the
Speaker 1: kind of athlete he is. So when you see something
Speaker 1: like that, it makes you excited and you hope that
Speaker 1: they will find the right spot for him. And as
Speaker 1: we saw yesterday, they were trying him out at different
Speaker 1: places kind of they have enough time to figure that
Speaker 1: out over time during training camp, and it was good
Speaker 1: to see them finally doing that inexperimenting with him. I'm
Speaker 1: looking for the quote of what Lenahan said about him yesterday?
Speaker 1: Do you remember that. I wasn't at Lenahan yesterday. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't concern me at all because it goes back
Speaker 1: to expectation. Like the only the only way that that
Speaker 1: could disappoint me is if I was expecting him to
Speaker 1: come in and like, I don't. He's not going to
Speaker 1: make a Pro Bowl. That's not what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not looking for a thousand yards rushing
Speaker 1: or receiving or you know, I want him, you know,
Speaker 1: I expect him to be the primary return man punt
Speaker 1: and kick, and I think it's realistic to think that
Speaker 1: you can find a way to get him six or
Speaker 1: seven touches a game on top of that, So you're
Speaker 1: talking about ten to fifteen touches probably, Like if he
Speaker 1: carries the ball fifty times this season and catches the
Speaker 1: ball twenty times, I think that's a great start. And
Speaker 1: again you're talking not just about what he can actually do,
Speaker 1: but the perception what the defense has to a out
Speaker 1: for him being on the field. Is DA going to
Speaker 1: give it to him or is it going to go
Speaker 1: to Zeke? What's going on here? Like it you're making
Speaker 1: a mistake if you're thinking of him as this Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl acquisition. But I do just I think of him
Speaker 1: as a wrinkle who probably rip off five to ten
Speaker 1: big plays this year and just be a constant mismatch threat.
Speaker 1: And so that's why it doesn't worry me, because that's
Speaker 1: I mean, he did that for the Rams last year.
Speaker 1: He was banged up and they didn't use him consistently,
Speaker 1: but I think he had four or five six hundred
Speaker 1: all purpose yards by the will against the Cowboy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a great game against which I wrote about
Speaker 1: this and I've talked about it on Twitter. If you
Speaker 1: want to see what I think he can do here,
Speaker 1: go watch that game, because I think he caught two
Speaker 1: balls and had six carries for fifty yards. Like he
Speaker 1: didn't get a game ball, but he was a valuable
Speaker 1: piece of that offense, which I think he can do
Speaker 1: that here. Did you find that right? Yeah? But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get through the sermon there, he said. Lenahan said, sorry,
Speaker 1: I like to inform people. Yeah it was good. Okay,
Speaker 1: um he said today I don't know, No, it's fine,
Speaker 1: it's fine. It was one of those things like in
Speaker 1: the moment, you know, it's like he just said, is
Speaker 1: he a wide receiver or running back? Which Lenihan has
Speaker 1: asked this all the time. You know, that's what happens
Speaker 1: when you do these weekly media sessions. Guys come up,
Speaker 1: you know, they haven't been here all the time. But
Speaker 1: he says, is he a wide receiver? Running back? He's like,
Speaker 1: he's Tavon. I mean, he can line up anywhere at
Speaker 1: any time or place. So that's cool to say that.
Speaker 1: Let's see if Lindahan does that. I mean, that sounds good,
Speaker 1: and they he did mention also, he's actually jumping between
Speaker 1: the wide receiver in the running back room. I know
Speaker 1: I read that somewhere heard that as well. Not I
Speaker 1: don't think that's quite hope, that's not accurate. And we've
Speaker 1: seen him more on a wide receiver. That's they're not
Speaker 1: going to give you a diagram for what he's doing.
Speaker 1: But like a week or two ago, Lenahan was like, well,
Speaker 1: like he's in the receiver's room. But the thing about
Speaker 1: all these rooms is that they're close together, like he
Speaker 1: can find his way over the running back. What are
Speaker 1: the option I mean, what are the it's the chance
Speaker 1: that he is going to have a go route that
Speaker 1: he's gonna go sixty yards down the field and Deck's
Speaker 1: gonna throw them the ball like, slim to none. Slim
Speaker 1: to none, I think. So, I mean, I think there's
Speaker 1: a chance that that'll happen. He'll run deep at some point.
Speaker 1: What are the chances that on third and one with
Speaker 1: Uni a first down, he's gonna run the ball right
Speaker 1: up the middle? Slim to none. So, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he's more of a team that I saw i'd
Speaker 1: give the ball to. Was that called Beasley on a
Speaker 1: up the middle? No, but you know it was like
Speaker 1: third or fourth and one and wide receiver? I think
Speaker 1: a receiver. He's a web web back, web back. You're
Speaker 1: talking about a guy who's gonna get ninety percent of
Speaker 1: his touches within five yards of the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: this year. I would bet that. I'll bet that too.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. So I think No, I think he's
Speaker 1: he's a receiver, but he's gonna like he's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna carry the ball carry the ball forty to sixty
Speaker 1: times this year. That's probably a better question. Is he
Speaker 1: gonna carry it more than he's not gonna catch it
Speaker 1: forty times to go? No, I think you'll have more
Speaker 1: carries than catch us, no doubt. But he's I still
Speaker 1: think of him as a receiver. No. But to go
Speaker 1: to Nick's point, like I just said, like, there's nothing
Speaker 1: that dictates he have to has to make this team.
Speaker 1: But like a week ago, Lenahan was like, call him
Speaker 1: a tight end if you want to just get him
Speaker 1: on the team, Like, which, whatever, if you're a coordinator
Speaker 1: is saying that, Like, well, Scott Linahan wants him here.
Speaker 1: I know that, so I'm going with that. I think
Speaker 1: the annoying part to me is when when people are
Speaker 1: trying to you know, you're trying to get the roster
Speaker 1: figured out right now, so it's like who's gonna make
Speaker 1: the team running back or who's gonna make a receiver.
Speaker 1: So they're like, okay, well count Tavon as a running back,
Speaker 1: Like that doesn't help you, Like you still need enough
Speaker 1: backs to do what you need to do. Just by
Speaker 1: calling him a running back doesn't mean you can now
Speaker 1: go along at receiver because he doesn't help you like
Speaker 1: your other running backs would help you. And if a
Speaker 1: running back goes down, it's like he's gonna step in
Speaker 1: there and become your Guy's going to carry it twenty
Speaker 1: times in a game, right, right, Okay, he's a gag
Speaker 1: for them. Yes, let's go ahead and take a quick break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna I want you guys
Speaker 1: to tell me who your favorite wide receiver is at
Speaker 1: this tape point. Stop there, you're ruining it, and then
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Speaker 1: are back on the break. Where are you going to
Speaker 1: discuss who these guys' favorite white receiver is? At this point,
Speaker 1: Derek lost his turn because he already gave it away
Speaker 1: Taborn Austin. But have another one? Okay? Anything else you
Speaker 1: want to say Derek on this matter? Sure it would
Speaker 1: be I'll throw mine out first. It's still for me.
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley, I actually am excited that this year I
Speaker 1: want to see if Cowboys can figure out a way
Speaker 1: to create mismatches and create opportunities for him. I think
Speaker 1: last year, way too often he was being taken out
Speaker 1: of opportunities to be able to catch the ball. And
Speaker 1: I think if the Cowboys think of some more creative
Speaker 1: ways to get him open, I think he can be
Speaker 1: a really valuable asset for them. And so I'm hopeful
Speaker 1: that they'll do that, and I think if they do it,
Speaker 1: I actually believe when it's all said and done, Cole
Speaker 1: could leave this team in receptions. Do you see that
Speaker 1: happening with the Cowboys now not having players such as
Speaker 1: Jason Witten, that's Brian on the team, right, do you
Speaker 1: think now other teams, I mean, they're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to find or see all some of this new guys
Speaker 1: as a threat to where Cole Beasley is now getting
Speaker 1: open or I think the way I look at it is,
Speaker 1: I think it's about what you do with your offensive
Speaker 1: skill players to create opportunities for them. Way too often
Speaker 1: we see the Cowboys opponents using rub routes and that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and it kills the Cowboys, and I
Speaker 1: wish they would do more of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I think there are ways that the Cowboys could try
Speaker 1: to get guys like Cole Beasley open because he's the
Speaker 1: type of receiver that I think. He's got good athleticism,
Speaker 1: he's quick, he catches the ball well, you get him
Speaker 1: a little bit of space, I think he can actually
Speaker 1: make some plays for you. So I'm hopefully that they'll
Speaker 1: actually find ways, they'll look for ways try to be
Speaker 1: creative to get him open rather than just kind of
Speaker 1: matching him up in the slot and whatever happens happens.
Speaker 1: I think that that might be that's to me, not
Speaker 1: taking advantage of the opportunity you have with him. Yeah. Enough,
Speaker 1: that's a good choice, Okay, Nick, And the question his
Speaker 1: favorite receiver at this point, yeahs based on everything that
Speaker 1: you've seen so far, idots, based on everything I've seen. Okay,
Speaker 1: because I'm my favorite receiver is Katie Cannon. That's the
Speaker 1: one I want to make the team because your boy. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: because when he was not getting drafted, I was like,
Speaker 1: why aren't the Cowboys drafting this guy? Why aren't they
Speaker 1: signing him in free agency? Then he got cut a
Speaker 1: couple of times, why aren't they bringing him in? And
Speaker 1: I even asked the question to two coaches and to
Speaker 1: personnel guys. I'm like, this guy is better than the
Speaker 1: six guys you've got I've said that. Now, how's he
Speaker 1: done enough? Right now? Is he still on the best six?
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's got a shot for it.
Speaker 1: It's he can run. I'm not gonna say, well, he's
Speaker 1: not getting the opportunities because he's not gonna get as
Speaker 1: many opportunities. This is what happens. I mean, but you
Speaker 1: got to earn it when you get it. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna He even said it himself. He's
Speaker 1: got to learn the playbook a little bit more, but
Speaker 1: from a speed standpoint, he's got it. He's just gonna
Speaker 1: have to play. He's gonna have to be one of
Speaker 1: those guys that makes plays in preseason games when he
Speaker 1: gets chances and stuff. But um so he's my favorite
Speaker 1: guy kind of as a you know, pet cat type.
Speaker 1: Um But a guy that I'm really interested in the
Speaker 1: most would be Tavon just because I think he's he
Speaker 1: gives you that speed element, he gives different things, and
Speaker 1: if he's going laterally then I think it'll open up
Speaker 1: things more vertically for other receivers like a Gallup or
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams or maybe Deonte. I'm on the Herns train
Speaker 1: here I'm here. I like this variety of picks. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody we Well, Beasley's gonna make the team, like Alan
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns is gonna start at the X. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just he's gonna get all that opportunity. The rest
Speaker 1: of this is kind of conjecture, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: Katie Can's got a chance to make the team. Noah
Speaker 1: Brown has been my pet cat for since he got drafted.
Speaker 1: But Alan Herns is gonna get a lot of opportunities
Speaker 1: to show what he can do. And I think he's
Speaker 1: up to it too. So he's probably the most if
Speaker 1: you look at just overall the the the accomplishments on
Speaker 1: the field statistically, of this wide receiver corps, he's by
Speaker 1: far the most accomplished to this group. You know, but
Speaker 1: I'm glad you it's sort of like you read my
Speaker 1: column because that like you were just getting but hey,
Speaker 1: you were just saying. You were like, oh, you think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be one of the six? Well I think
Speaker 1: there could be seven, honestly, But regardless, I was writing
Speaker 1: this column and I was like, well, yeah, Alan Hearns
Speaker 1: is the most accomplished receiver on this team. Beasley and
Speaker 1: Terrence to both have more career catches than him. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: that none of them, No one has had a better
Speaker 1: year than he had. He is two or three years
Speaker 1: the only receiver on this team with a one thousand
Speaker 1: yards seas right, But Terrence has him beat by like
Speaker 1: fifty or sixty catches for career. Is that because he's
Speaker 1: had a longer career or they had the same career,
Speaker 1: came in around the same time, a little longer career
Speaker 1: and probably a better quarterback from a Well, that's also
Speaker 1: the part of it that you have number is too.
Speaker 1: The quarterback that Hearns was with had one great year
Speaker 1: and that was the year that Hearns had a great year.
Speaker 1: Outside of that, his quarterback has been really bad. Crap
Speaker 1: on him however much you want, but he's been pretty bad.
Speaker 1: Terrence has never missed the game in his pro career,
Speaker 1: I don't believe. So that's good thing. He was on
Speaker 1: the list that we just did top thing pencil and
Speaker 1: this is just me speaking, but we'll miss a game
Speaker 1: this year. Herns, Terrence Cole, and I think Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: are locks to make the team, assuming no injuries and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Oh I'm sorry, you're right, and they're okay,
Speaker 1: So you already got five that are definite. That's I mean,
Speaker 1: I think so. So they're all battling for one to
Speaker 1: two spots basically all the rest of the running back,
Speaker 1: which is why I think. I mean, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you talk about you got it, what you you got
Speaker 1: one hundred receivers and ninety nine of them haven't done
Speaker 1: anything well, quality over quantity. Then I mean, if you
Speaker 1: can find a way to keep seven, maybe you do that,
Speaker 1: and you can change that as the season goes along
Speaker 1: and guys kind of show their stuff. But problem is
Speaker 1: you need to keep five tight ends. See I'm thinking
Speaker 1: three tight ends. Tight ends are not gonna I don't
Speaker 1: think tight end will be as big of a position,
Speaker 1: Like they won't use the tight end as much as
Speaker 1: they use the tight end three and a half. I
Speaker 1: think when they want to go big, they'd rather just
Speaker 1: bring an extra offensive rather than having two or three
Speaker 1: tight ends on the field. You know, Yeah, well, what
Speaker 1: are you gonna say? I was telling him, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you heard that, Olah, wally is could be
Speaker 1: some tight ends. Well so he's James Hannah. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I was wanting to jump now over to the defense side.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest topics during the off season, aside
Speaker 1: from the whole desk Bryan and then went in, it
Speaker 1: was Byron Jones and his whole change of position moving
Speaker 1: out to the corner. After seeing three weeks of Oltas,
Speaker 1: what were your impressions of Byron being at corner? Now?
Speaker 1: How has he been doing at that position? For me personally,
Speaker 1: I haven't noticed that being a problem, which is a
Speaker 1: good thing when you're talking about the corner. So I
Speaker 1: think he's you know, he's he's picking it up well.
Speaker 1: And remember there's a reason why he moved, just because
Speaker 1: it's the preference of the defensive backs coach christ Richard.
Speaker 1: You know, he likes to guys to play a certain
Speaker 1: way and they wants him to have a kind of
Speaker 1: a certain size to him. And so so far, so good,
Speaker 1: I think, But then again, he goes back to what
Speaker 1: we just talked about. Is anybody really, you know, challenging
Speaker 1: him to the point where he's exposing him? So right now,
Speaker 1: I think it's been okay. He made a really great
Speaker 1: breakup on a pass last week, like great, Other than that,
Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, it's so hard to judge stuff
Speaker 1: like like, yeah, training camp is so much easier because
Speaker 1: there's one on ones every day and it's a little
Speaker 1: you know, the team periods are more physical and we're
Speaker 1: allowed like full access to the field so you can
Speaker 1: go down right on the line of scrimmage. So from
Speaker 1: from fifty yards away for two hours a week, he
Speaker 1: looks fine to me. And what's going to be really hard.
Speaker 1: I think this year during OTAs and training camp is
Speaker 1: really going to be trying to evaluate these cornerbacks because
Speaker 1: there is no great wide receiver on the opposite side.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna face guys like you always, I mean
Speaker 1: last year, over the last several years, you always can
Speaker 1: gauge kind of how good a cornerback is playing when
Speaker 1: he up against Diz, because Dez has just these remarkable
Speaker 1: skills that being able to defend him shows you a
Speaker 1: little bit more about the cornerback. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: a receiver like that right now on this team. This
Speaker 1: is a team that again is going to rely on
Speaker 1: the quantity of receivers and finding the open guy versus
Speaker 1: having one stud guy. So when you go up against
Speaker 1: Atlanta and that's when you're gonna find out a lot
Speaker 1: about these cornerbacks when they have to face a guy
Speaker 1: like Julio Jones. You won't see that during training. That's
Speaker 1: a really great point. Yeah, gotta be saved that for
Speaker 1: the last three weeks. Gotta be good for you. I'll
Speaker 1: be careful about falling into that trap this year and
Speaker 1: people are still mad at us for blowing up and
Speaker 1: last year, oh about training camp and then yeah, you
Speaker 1: let me down this road. You can only talk about
Speaker 1: what you see, but just be careful. We think we
Speaker 1: have to be really careful this year about that with
Speaker 1: a cornerback. You remember, and this might be a segue.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's on your list, but this might.
Speaker 1: You remember a few years ago when we were really
Speaker 1: really worried about Tyrant Smith because DeMarcus Ware was just
Speaker 1: wearing him killing them in training camp, like this is
Speaker 1: not good. It's great for DeMarcus. He still got it.
Speaker 1: As the year turned out, one of them made the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl for the first time and the other one
Speaker 1: was the game games and kind of was kind of
Speaker 1: limped through the finish line or to the finish line there.
Speaker 1: So sometimes which see in camp isn't always what happens here. Okay,
Speaker 1: well we'll get into the safety position a little bit.
Speaker 1: Let's just keep talking about DeMarcus Ware and his involvement
Speaker 1: here on the team and how the things he's been doing.
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty impressive. And you look at the guy,
Speaker 1: how fit and healthy he looks, and how he's out
Speaker 1: there helping these guys out. I mean, what, how can
Speaker 1: this impact the players that he's helping out? Can my
Speaker 1: guy get a contract? My god? If he wanted to
Speaker 1: play good? I mean he looks, yeah, he's ready to go.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's training for. I guess just
Speaker 1: because you follow on Twitter, he's working out every day.
Speaker 1: I know that's I'm like, I saw a picture I
Speaker 1: think maybe on the website. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: saw a picture and I had to go back and
Speaker 1: Dustin Marcus. Where am I wait? Was that is that him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It is, And he's a guy that has been stopped
Speaker 1: it there. I'm in the news business now. So anyways, Um,
Speaker 1: one of the guys that he has spoken about is
Speaker 1: Taco Charlton, and he's seen the progress and development on
Speaker 1: a guy like Taco, a guy that has been criticized
Speaker 1: by many on Twitter and people that keep asking, is
Speaker 1: Tacko gonna step up this year and be better? Have
Speaker 1: you guys seen any progress from Taco? And I know
Speaker 1: it's hard to tell right now, but is that something
Speaker 1: that leads you to think that he's gonna be really?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, impact makes some kind of seen a
Speaker 1: huge improvement in one area. Confidence. He's very confident now. Um,
Speaker 1: just in some of the interviews we've seen him, he's
Speaker 1: just old Daddy Taco right now. He says he's the
Speaker 1: best trash best trash talker in the on the team
Speaker 1: right now. And as we talked he said, as we
Speaker 1: talked about last week, is beat tyrant Smith twice in
Speaker 1: a row talk trash to him and then we'll be
Speaker 1: on board with that. But I think what really what
Speaker 1: DeMarcus said is maturity's the number one thing he's seen
Speaker 1: out of him. And he's got different tools in the
Speaker 1: toolbox for this year, so that he's showing the you know,
Speaker 1: at least he's showing it to DeMarcus. It's a little
Speaker 1: tricky with him though, I mean, he's not here all
Speaker 1: the time. He's here, he's a consultant, he's here. He's
Speaker 1: also with the Broncos, so I mean, he goes from
Speaker 1: Denver here, so he's seeing von Miller and then he
Speaker 1: comes here. So I mean, I'm just saying that differ.
Speaker 1: You know, you're not here all the time, so you're
Speaker 1: not seeing every every day, every practice and all that.
Speaker 1: But still you got the all time leading sack artist
Speaker 1: in Cowboys history helping out. I'm sure. I mean, sure
Speaker 1: it's good, but you know, that's all nice, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the players still got to play.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've had Haley here. Hay he comes around,
Speaker 1: he talks to the guys, whatever he does with the
Speaker 1: guys and tries to give them tips and that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. I don't I don't know that that necessarily
Speaker 1: changes anything. There's certain certainly probably things they can pick
Speaker 1: up from them, But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: they got coaches, they got people that are already investing
Speaker 1: in trying to develop them. But then Marcus gets in
Speaker 1: there and like you, I get all that and to
Speaker 1: trust me, I'm not saying that that couldn't be, like
Speaker 1: they can't learn things from him, but at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, they're not him, and and sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like Michael Jordan Michael. You know, Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's not a coach because Michael Jordan knows how to
Speaker 1: do things that other people. Yeah, yeah, you just tell them.
Speaker 1: But just when he gets just take him by the
Speaker 1: jersey and just shove him back. Right, Can you just
Speaker 1: repeat what I did? Like, isn't that hard to do?
Speaker 1: Can you just do it? It's not it's not the same, right,
Speaker 1: Guys that have had to work their way to maybe
Speaker 1: they have a lot more tools to be able to sing.
Speaker 1: I mean, who's the greatest defensive I mean, who's the
Speaker 1: greatest coach in NFL history that was a great player?
Speaker 1: Oh Man, Mike Ditka Yeah, single Terry. But he wasn't
Speaker 1: a great coach coach I'm trying to think. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you just Skerm Edwards. You see like good
Speaker 1: solid players like you know, yeah, no they don't. Tomlin
Speaker 1: was a plan you know, Jeff Fisher, Dungee, they were
Speaker 1: they were just you know, they were. Dune was probably
Speaker 1: the best. He's a Hall of Fame coach. He was
Speaker 1: a player. I'm talking about right now, like a was
Speaker 1: a player. No no, no play no, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about I'm talking about great player, great coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because DeMarcus. DeMarcus was asked twice yesterday and I don't
Speaker 1: know if he changed his mind in about sixteen minutes,
Speaker 1: but he was asked once an interview that I was
Speaker 1: I was at and he was like, are you gonna
Speaker 1: be a coach one day? And he was like no. God.
Speaker 1: Then later I hear, Yeah, DeMarcus talked in the locker
Speaker 1: room and he said he one day he wants to
Speaker 1: be a coach. I was like, oh, oh, what changed
Speaker 1: his mind? Mike Doocey, It was awesome, Like he he
Speaker 1: was like, well, you you kind of want to scratch
Speaker 1: this itch, but you know you can make better money
Speaker 1: doing like TV and stuff and where it was like, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Dick Lebow was he a great player? I don't know
Speaker 1: he he played in the thirties, right, he played a
Speaker 1: long time ago? But night at night train lane? Who
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever? Train lane? Okay, I have no idea. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's jump into the safety position. We have to we
Speaker 1: kind of do and say, is this our weekly reference
Speaker 1: to another safety? Like is that what we just know? No?
Speaker 1: This is me and Amber's weekly like worry fact. Nick
Speaker 1: implies something about the Seattle, same script every week. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go through the pace. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on this scenario. We know the
Speaker 1: Cowboys having guy any of you guys obviously at the
Speaker 1: safety position. It's not too early to do that early
Speaker 1: they wanted to do that. Sorry, grant me the serenda.
Speaker 1: We know that the guys has spoken about the possibility
Speaker 1: of moving some of the corners to the safety position
Speaker 1: to help out there if needed. Now. Cheeto a woozy
Speaker 1: kind of talked about it yesterday in regards to if
Speaker 1: they asked him too, He's ready, he could play any
Speaker 1: of the any position there, he could do it. But
Speaker 1: he did say that he as of right now, the
Speaker 1: talk is he is a corner and that's where he's
Speaker 1: gonna be at now. If that happens and Cheeto is
Speaker 1: moved to safety for any reason, why would be your
Speaker 1: expectations there and how would that secondary now look and
Speaker 1: change if that was to happen. What I've always I've
Speaker 1: hated this topic of conversation since they brought it up
Speaker 1: after the draft, and that's because we just sat here saying,
Speaker 1: what can you really learn from OTAs? You know, like
Speaker 1: it's shorts, it's blah blah blah. And I think you
Speaker 1: made the really good point last week that like you
Speaker 1: can tell who's picking up the playbook in the scheme
Speaker 1: during this period. But Byron's played safety and Cheeto has
Speaker 1: done everything during the course of his career, So like,
Speaker 1: neither one of those guys is gonna I trust that
Speaker 1: both of them can pick all of this up. So, like,
Speaker 1: what are you learning here that's going to prompt you
Speaker 1: to make that switch? Basically? You know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: what what are these three weeks really going to show
Speaker 1: you where you're like, well, we gotta move somebody. I
Speaker 1: could kind of answer that, I mean, at least least
Speaker 1: I mean, I think what you look at a couple
Speaker 1: of players number when you're looking in at Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: You're looking at you know, how has he given you
Speaker 1: the confidence to play that position that we don't need
Speaker 1: to make that move? Or on the flip side, or
Speaker 1: their cornerbacks that are in that mix, like Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: playing really well, Jordan Lewis playing really well. Is there
Speaker 1: a young guys is there Duke Thomas? Is there somebody
Speaker 1: that's that's stepping up to that point where you're like,
Speaker 1: our depth at corner is way better than our depth
Speaker 1: at safety. That's where I could see that happening and
Speaker 1: making a move. We've seen it before. When what's better
Speaker 1: tackle or end? And that's where Tyrone Crawford's gonna go accordingly,
Speaker 1: But do you think that Cheeto right now is one
Speaker 1: of your best two corners? Yes? Yes, yeah, Because if
Speaker 1: he's one of your best two corners, I don't like
Speaker 1: the idea of taking one of your best also starting
Speaker 1: guys and moving them to another another. Another thing I
Speaker 1: really hate, just at any position, is like, well we've
Speaker 1: got really good depth, let's get rid of some of it.
Speaker 1: I hate that it's so dumb Celtics are about to
Speaker 1: do that. Um So, I mean, Byron's not gonna get
Speaker 1: anywhere unless you let him get comfortable at a position,
Speaker 1: and I until I'm proven otherwise. I have sky high
Speaker 1: expectations for what Cheeto can be as a corner, So
Speaker 1: I hate the idea of moving either one of them.
Speaker 1: I guess to answer your question more directly, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna play Cheeto at safety, then I would assume then
Speaker 1: it would you your trio would be Byron Brown and
Speaker 1: Jordan in whatever whoever you want to play the slot.
Speaker 1: Brown and Jordan can both play either, so and whatever.
Speaker 1: The weird part here is, you know, Xavier Woods is
Speaker 1: kind of like the Tavon Austin on the other side,
Speaker 1: because he kind of can do a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: As he said, safety is he corner, is he slot?
Speaker 1: Guy can do so he's a wildcard to me in
Speaker 1: that scenario, even if he doesn't start at safety. But
Speaker 1: which I will say one thing, and I don't know
Speaker 1: much about him, but maybe we're not doing enough credit
Speaker 1: to Mark queston Huff. He's a forgotten guy and this
Speaker 1: whole thing. They brought him in early in the offseason.
Speaker 1: He runs with the second team right now. Maybe they
Speaker 1: trust that he can push Xavier Woods. I haven't. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen him do anything bad, but I haven't seen
Speaker 1: him do anything great out here. I don't really know
Speaker 1: what to think of him. But every time I think
Speaker 1: about this, I'm like, oh, yeah, I forgot about that guy.
Speaker 1: You know what I'd like to see though, on passing
Speaker 1: down specifically, I'd like to see maybe what they do
Speaker 1: is just get their best guys out there. If that
Speaker 1: means that Jordan's better than let's say, for example, one
Speaker 1: of the safeties, and that means you get Cheeto runs
Speaker 1: out there, Cheetos out there on a passing down at safety,
Speaker 1: but you've got your best five or six actual defensive
Speaker 1: backs on the field. Oh so, like you know, I
Speaker 1: kind I kind of would like to see them maybe
Speaker 1: rotate guys around a little bit in game. Now. I
Speaker 1: assume that's assuming he can do that without crippling his
Speaker 1: ability to be a great corner. You're trying to do
Speaker 1: like the Patriots thing where like the Patriots run their
Speaker 1: front seven is just like you don't know who's playing
Speaker 1: what because it's just like six guys, right, And well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you can get away where you
Speaker 1: can get your best guys out there, and if Cheeto
Speaker 1: Cheeto and Jordan and Anthony Brown and you know, and
Speaker 1: Byron Jones happened to be among your best six, how
Speaker 1: can you get him all on the field or best five?
Speaker 1: How can you get him all on the field on
Speaker 1: those passing down? Okay, but if Cheeto is heading shoulders
Speaker 1: the best corner, I'm talking like a great I don't
Speaker 1: want to say shut down corner. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that exists anymore. But if he's if he's the best
Speaker 1: thing the Cowboys have to that where you're facing a
Speaker 1: top notch receiver and if we might want to shadow him,
Speaker 1: I don't do it. Then you don't do what you
Speaker 1: don't do it right, And so you got to make
Speaker 1: sure if he's that good, because that can also help
Speaker 1: your defense. If you've got a guy that can do
Speaker 1: you know, he can just follow a player all over
Speaker 1: the field. As much as I like Cheeto, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's there yet. I don't think he's there yet.
Speaker 1: I don't know that that would be a part of
Speaker 1: the equation. Just yet get there if you make them
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Speaker 1: talked about the safety position and moving on from that.
Speaker 1: Aside from that position, what would be and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask each in one of you what would be the
Speaker 1: next position that at this point kind of still concerns
Speaker 1: you a little bit? Safety there? Sorry, Mats that I
Speaker 1: canna still concerns you. Do you want to go ahead
Speaker 1: and go first? Um? I mentioned it earlier. Linebacker. Linebackers
Speaker 1: the position where I think we could get to the
Speaker 1: end of the season and I'm like, that was one
Speaker 1: of the best, if not the best position on the
Speaker 1: team for the season. I also think you could get
Speaker 1: to end of the season and be like it completely
Speaker 1: platooned them because it's all about the health of Sean Lee. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know what's going to happen with Jalen Smith, Like,
Speaker 1: is Jalen Smith ready to be Is he there yet?
Speaker 1: Is he at the point now where he can play
Speaker 1: at least at the level of what he played at
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, if not better. So that's where I think
Speaker 1: you have to have some real questions about the linebacker position.
Speaker 1: If all those things work out and then you add
Speaker 1: in a vander Ess who actually plays well or at
Speaker 1: least up to expectations, I think this linebacker position could
Speaker 1: be phenomenal. You know, last year, whenever Shanlee would go out,
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchins, he did a really really good job by
Speaker 1: taking leadership and stepping into that role. Do you see
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith kind of stepping into that role as far
Speaker 1: as the leader goes, I think Jalen Smith has leadership qualities.
Speaker 1: I also believe, though, in order to be a really
Speaker 1: good leader, I think you have to be a really
Speaker 1: good player. That's just my personal belief, just because if not,
Speaker 1: then the moment things start going wrong and you're trying
Speaker 1: to tell someone whatever, They're gonna look at you like, well,
Speaker 1: you might want to get a little better at your
Speaker 1: job as well. But I do think you have to
Speaker 1: be a good player, and I think that if Jalen
Speaker 1: can take that next step, then yes, I think he
Speaker 1: has great leadership qualities and maybe he could provide that
Speaker 1: sort of leadership. Yeah, let me ask you this. If
Speaker 1: it comes to pass that the linebacker situation just devolves
Speaker 1: into a disaster, I mean, can you kill him for that?
Speaker 1: Just in terms of I mean, I guess my point is,
Speaker 1: don't you feel like they did everything they could do
Speaker 1: within a realistic scope to fix it? Oh? Yeah, absolutely?
Speaker 1: All right, Well this is part of the larger point.
Speaker 1: As long as long as as long as Sean Lee
Speaker 1: is here, you're gonna, especially at this age, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be susceptible to You're taking a chance every year that
Speaker 1: he could have an injury that keeps him out a
Speaker 1: significant amount of Shawn Lee's got his injury issues. That's
Speaker 1: just baked in, right, Jalen Smith has I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's baked in at this point. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's better, we can't count on it. They signed
Speaker 1: I think a really underrated quality depth guy and Joe Thomas.
Speaker 1: They spent their first round pick on a linebacker. If
Speaker 1: it turns out that it sucks, I can't kill them.
Speaker 1: Like that's the definition of hindsight is twenty twenty, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like they did everything they could.
Speaker 1: Where I look at is defensive tackle, because I'm not
Speaker 1: convinced that the same can be said, because I mean,
Speaker 1: as it stands right now and this is the voluntary
Speaker 1: part of the offseason. I'm not killing David Irving for
Speaker 1: not being here for that, but he's not here. The
Speaker 1: word on the street is that he's the conditioning is
Speaker 1: a problem and a whole host of other things that
Speaker 1: are going on. On top of that, Malik Collins broke
Speaker 1: his foot. They didn't draft a guy. They did bring
Speaker 1: on jahad Ward, who they feel good about, but again
Speaker 1: not like just not something that you you feel super
Speaker 1: great about. The unifactor in Price, I'm maybe I'm just
Speaker 1: a lot at one technique. I thought last year before
Speaker 1: he got hurt, I thought he's playing really well for him.
Speaker 1: He did. He's not a guy where I'm just like, well,
Speaker 1: they'll be fine. They got Brian Price. There's not many
Speaker 1: one techniques that I'm just like, oh, they're great, Like
Speaker 1: that's a great Like, you know, one technique is one technique,
Speaker 1: but I think he played it really well datone. Dayton
Speaker 1: Jones is a guy worth mentioning. He's basically been starting
Speaker 1: this whole month with MALIEK. Collins out. So and you know,
Speaker 1: mia culpa if I wind up being wrong, Like maybe
Speaker 1: these guys are better than I'm giving credit for. But
Speaker 1: on paper, I look at that and I'm like, you
Speaker 1: can't one hundred percent trust either. You're starting defensive tackles
Speaker 1: and I don't love what's behind him, So that concerns me.
Speaker 1: You could make the argument that if it doesn't go
Speaker 1: well at linebacker, that they could have done more by
Speaker 1: signing Anthony Hitchins. Okay, I'm not done. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say if they're gonna cut Dez and not do anything
Speaker 1: with the money, I'm not gonna kill him for that,
Speaker 1: because I nobody loves Anthony Hitchins more than I do.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give him a fifty million dollars
Speaker 1: if they don't sign anybody else. They saved about eight
Speaker 1: million dollars with Dez Brian. If they don't sign anybody else,
Speaker 1: then why didn't you? Why did you not get Anthony
Speaker 1: Hitchins back and then then draft, maybe draft the receiver
Speaker 1: instead of the linebacker or something else early you could
Speaker 1: It not also have been the fact that you just
Speaker 1: couldn't do that. You look at the amount of money
Speaker 1: that they're paying, and maybe they're like, hey, we feel
Speaker 1: like we'd rather go younger with our linebackers rather than
Speaker 1: pay another guy because we're already not not they're paying
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee crazy money, but we're already paying him, So
Speaker 1: maybe we'd rather go younger and have some younger guys
Speaker 1: at linebacker, And that's that's better to us than paying
Speaker 1: another guy. Very very big, very big fan of Anthony Hitchins.
Speaker 1: I'd rather be paying Layton vander esh whatever two million
Speaker 1: dollars than Anthony Hitchins fifty. That's just me though. Yeah, Nick,
Speaker 1: did you have any other position different from the ones
Speaker 1: that they just discussed hard now? Yeah, yep, this is
Speaker 1: like where I talked like, yeah, oh that is a
Speaker 1: that's one that's a little bit expecting that. I love
Speaker 1: Dan Bailey, you really, yeah, I do. I think he's
Speaker 1: great and trying to take his position. Oh I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not like, go look at how many games gets
Speaker 1: get decided by a field goals back to what he
Speaker 1: was two years. I don't know what I don't want
Speaker 1: because unlike other people, you know what they might think,
Speaker 1: I am not there and all of his practices and
Speaker 1: rehabs and all that stuff. So I don't know. All
Speaker 1: we know is what we saw at the end of
Speaker 1: the year. I think he's gonna be fine. I definitely
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be fine. But if he's not, it
Speaker 1: changes the game. It changes the game. So I hope
Speaker 1: he's fine. Everyone is pulling for him. I'm right there
Speaker 1: leading the charge. I'm just saying that is a position.
Speaker 1: You can't cover that up. Defensive tackle doesn't do well.
Speaker 1: You can kind of cover it up. Linebacker played well,
Speaker 1: stepped up, you make the kick or you don't. And
Speaker 1: you know, I just hope that's it's no issue at all. Right,
Speaker 1: somebody at camp, but nobody to compete with them, and
Speaker 1: which is probably a good thing he given moment, though,
Speaker 1: there are kickers on the street that you could go
Speaker 1: I mean, they get it. Last year. There are kickers
Speaker 1: on the street you could go out and get if
Speaker 1: you got into this season end and he hasn't corrected
Speaker 1: the problem. But if it's to that point, than what
Speaker 1: happened before that Week six, they'll say that happen. But
Speaker 1: what happened in week five? Yeah, I get you. They
Speaker 1: lost a game, and they lost a game. They'reetting rid
Speaker 1: of it, getting somebody else in here. This team, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've noticed, but this team will just
Speaker 1: hover around eight and eight, nine and seven mark, and
Speaker 1: that you'll miss a game by one. So I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that could affect it. And again I'm not suggesting
Speaker 1: one thing or another. I just hope that he's back
Speaker 1: to the part where you're not even thinking about thirty
Speaker 1: five yard field goals or extra points. As good as
Speaker 1: he's been, I'm gonna trust and so I see different
Speaker 1: that he's gonna I'm not with you there too. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, not saying nothing you said is wrong. But
Speaker 1: I've put Dan in the same category as like Tyring,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, you get them all again, Like your
Speaker 1: track record is good enough and long enough that I
Speaker 1: think Adam Vinatieri, you know, there was a reason why.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but there was a reason why
Speaker 1: you see the Patriots let him go. May have been money,
Speaker 1: may have been like, we can get another kicker in
Speaker 1: here for last and they did, and they did. They
Speaker 1: have a great kicker as well. But but he's still
Speaker 1: kicking at a very high level. So uh, And it
Speaker 1: was an injury and all that stuff, I'm hope and
Speaker 1: no issue at all. But I mean it's one of
Speaker 1: those things that your fingers crossed on him. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Dan Bailey, we trust, I trust and Will I trusted too.
Speaker 1: But people will come back. It's a very important position.
Speaker 1: It is the good thing. I mean, at least the
Speaker 1: way I see it is that's a position that you
Speaker 1: can absolutely just practice over and over and where you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have certain factors that will affect you kicking
Speaker 1: the ball aside from weather condition. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: very steady, you know kick. So that is something that
Speaker 1: he can keep practicing the end of the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: have time to see how his kicks are, how many
Speaker 1: he makes over training camp and all that. As different
Speaker 1: as other positions that it's a little bit harder to
Speaker 1: judge because game day is different. Unless it gets in
Speaker 1: his head, unless it's a mental thing then and then
Speaker 1: he can kicking greater in the week. So I don't
Speaker 1: know all I'm saying. That's a fair point. It's it's
Speaker 1: a fun that's I mean, that's a good point. Just
Speaker 1: like you know, Byron Jones is like you're not watching
Speaker 1: the All twenty two, Like I'm doing my stuff over here.
Speaker 1: You're like, why are y'all criticizing me? Dan Bailey, It's like,
Speaker 1: did it go in or did it not? Very easy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one or the other. Okay, go ahead. I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask you, guys, biggest standout of OTAs. This is
Speaker 1: the last week of OTA, so Cowboys finished with OTAs,
Speaker 1: going into mini camp next week. So biggest standout overall
Speaker 1: in the whole OTA? Dave, Oh, well, you gotta put
Speaker 1: me on the spott. I'll start, Actually, i'll start. Um.
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown to me is a guy he's kind of
Speaker 1: like forgotten a little bit just because he's he's not
Speaker 1: one of the flashy players, but he does have great athleticism.
Speaker 1: He's still you know, in the mix to be one
Speaker 1: of your top three or four guys will be on
Speaker 1: the field a lot, and I think just as a
Speaker 1: as a veteran player, now that he is a veteran,
Speaker 1: I think he has a chance to kind of fly
Speaker 1: under the radar a little bit. I think he's done
Speaker 1: some good things from what I've seen out there. Anthony
Speaker 1: Browns a guy that's kind of stood out to me.
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about him. I think it's I'll
Speaker 1: go back to it. It's tape on Asten for me
Speaker 1: because swept my appetite for what I expected. This is
Speaker 1: your Mali calling this year. This is my pet cat,
Speaker 1: like I think, oh wait, or Stephen Paya. It was
Speaker 1: Malie calling me and both love Steven you were talking
Speaker 1: a lot about But I'm very excited about what they're
Speaker 1: gonna get or what they can get out of Table
Speaker 1: and Austin. It'll be interesting to see if they use
Speaker 1: him the right way and if they really get like
Speaker 1: they said, like it's not you're not expecting hundred yard games,
Speaker 1: but I do expect that they are going to be
Speaker 1: two or three games this year that he will win
Speaker 1: for you, Like he will make the play that wins
Speaker 1: two or three ball games for you this year. And
Speaker 1: I think that's more than enough for for what they're
Speaker 1: paying him to If they got that out of him.
Speaker 1: I'll say Blake Jarwin, Um Blake oot, I say Blake,
Speaker 1: and I thought he was gonna get me crap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll afully bring him up. Let me make myself perfectly clear.
Speaker 1: I still think Jeff swam is going to be this
Speaker 1: team's starting tight end. I don't think Likelake Jarwin's gonna
Speaker 1: go to the Pro Bowl or have this like insane year.
Speaker 1: But we're talking about a guy with what like one
Speaker 1: appearance in uniform, ever, maybe how many. I mean, they
Speaker 1: brought him up from the practice squad. He's done basically nothing,
Speaker 1: but they've given him a workload, like they trust him.
Speaker 1: He's been with the first team, especially when they run
Speaker 1: twelve personnel, which I still think they're going to do
Speaker 1: this year. Like they trust him to have a significant role,
Speaker 1: and I think he's capable of that. To steal Garrett's phrase,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like it's too big for him, and
Speaker 1: he's shown it out here, so I yeah, he's He
Speaker 1: looks like a guy who's ready to take on that responsibility.
Speaker 1: I got it. One other guy as well that I've
Speaker 1: seen a couple of things from lately, Dak Prescott, in
Speaker 1: the form of what they're asking him to be this year.
Speaker 1: I mean, look what they've lost on this team leadership wise.
Speaker 1: We saw a little bit of it yesterday. We saw
Speaker 1: a little bit of it the week before. He's not
Speaker 1: really afraid to speak his mind out there. He is leading,
Speaker 1: he's got a command of the huddle. Yes, you want
Speaker 1: that from your quarterback, but it's not always easy when
Speaker 1: you're a young guy like he was. That's over now
Speaker 1: he is. He's the guy. He's the veteran guy on
Speaker 1: this team that they've made decisions for him to suit
Speaker 1: this thing around him. So when things don't go well,
Speaker 1: he needs to stop the drill, put the ball in
Speaker 1: the ground, yell at somebody. And that's what he's that's
Speaker 1: what he's doing so far. So kill Chazz, now, I
Speaker 1: do wonder does he do that with Tyran? Does he
Speaker 1: do it with Travis? Because you know what, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people play the next play Travis Frederick pretty
Speaker 1: much gave him a three hopper to shortstop and they
Speaker 1: fumbled the ball away. And so I I don't I
Speaker 1: trust him to say what needs to be said. I
Speaker 1: hope maybe he has a different approach with different guys.
Speaker 1: You have to that's what you do. That's what parents do,
Speaker 1: it's what coaches do. You treat everyone different. Yeah, all right,
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