WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Wrapping Up OTAs 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:04.200 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:07.400 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Clubs. Are you ready for 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:11.119 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:15.440 Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that. 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:19.800 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:27.120 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:32.240 Good morning, guys, welcome to another episode of The Cowboys Break. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.159 Nick why are you laughing? I don't know, but remember 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.040 Garcia at your host for the day with all right, 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:42.960 gang NICKI, David Hellman. We have a very unusual guest 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:48.760 on the show, mister Derek. Wow. How are you? Derek? 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.080 I'm good. Anything you would like to say to your 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.520 fans out there that have been missing you? Any numbers 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:58.120 you want to provide? Well, it is episode number twelve, 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.840 No A number eleven. I'm sorr episode number eleven and 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.080 uh and I really don't have anything to say because 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.759 I don't really have fans other than maybe my wife, 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:11.280 my kids. How many episodes of those of those eleven? 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.480 Have you been here for three? I knew I was 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.560 gonna face this, but I got here today, so I 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:18.560 was I was ready for it. It's you know, I 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.480 have things to do. I have other business responsibilities in 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.680 the building. Boss stuff, yeah, boss man, boss man doing. 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:26.960 Of course, last week was more personal, but most of 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.360 weeks is business. Okay, Well, we're happy you're back here. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.479 Thank joining us, Thank you. I'll take care of your 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:35.560 role today. I heard you did a good job though 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.039 last year. A. Yeah, she's been she's actually been really good. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.600 I actually enjoyed listening to the show with her hosting, 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:45.600 So that's why she's doing it today. You got Tony Romode. Yeah, 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.800 I don't know. That's funny because she was told that 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.440 she's gonna do a Wally Pip and she was like, 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.680 I don't know, she has no idea how Luke Garrett, 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.280 you don't need to say. You don't need to say 0:01:55.280 --> 0:02:00.440 Wally pips, say Tony. Okay, well let's jump right into 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.400 this whole show. I'm just gonna run through the list 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.040 of the guys that didn't practice yesterday. Terence William, Ellie Collins, 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.840 Terren Smith, The Marcus Florence, Sean Lee, Charles Stapford, Tackle 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.839 Deanta Thompson, Cedric Wilson. Can I stop you real quick? 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.080 What if you just list the guys who did anything 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.679 did something. Yeah, but Joe Louni and Cony Ealy now 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.400 late in vanders I just wanted to mention him real quick. 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:29.359 He got an injury, an injury on his ankle, nothing serious, 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.040 not a big deal, but it was more a precautionary 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:36.680 which prompted the questions from fans asking this whole thing 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.400 about injuries and what happened last year at training camp, 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.840 the whole you know, hamstrings, and how that prevented some 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.160 of the guys to step into at the beginning of 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.880 the season. How is that? And this is hard to answer, 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.160 but help me out here and try to figure this out. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.560 How is this? How could the Cowboys possibly prevent this 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.639 from happening again? I think they can prevent it by 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.839 doing exactly what you just read yesterday and just keep 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.840 those guys out and everything that they do. Yeah, they'd 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.919 like them out here, but if they've got any sign 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:12.160 of soreness or being tired fatigued, you got you know, 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.679 an injury here and there, hold them out. And these 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.920 fans that are upset by what they see and read, 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.600 they'd be a lot more upset if they just pushed 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.840 them really hard here and then they're out for like 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.520 six months, So I think the Cowboys were doing exactly 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.760 what you should do at this point. It's just get 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.639 them out there, but be very cautious of anything that happens. 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.240 So in case this happens again, let's say with some 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:38.120 of these rookies how we saw happening last year. Is 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.520 this something that the Cowboys could handle and be okay 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:45.040 at the beginning of the season with certain positions? What 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.840 are y'all thoughts? What do you what do you mean? Like, 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.080 are you talking about the depth of this position if 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.000 somebody gets hurt at training camp? Yeah? Okay. For example, 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.080 last year we got two guys on the second theory 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.320 that guy her and the Cowboys were kind of able 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.640 to yeah, signific to get him out of most of it, 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.360 in fact, and you see Ryan Swiss are but his 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.200 They were able to cover that and handle that. But 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.400 at certain positions that are more key to the game. 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:15.200 I mean, that's like that's the age old thing with football, 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:17.800 right I mean, like it looks good right now, but yeah, 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:19.920 tell me who's missing in for how long and I'll 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:21.640 tell you how big of a problem it is. I mean, 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:26.000 if if Layton Vanderesh having a gimpy ankle right now 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.560 doesn't concern me at all, But if he can't go 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.440 for a significant chunk of train camp, that's a little 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:35.680 more problematic. Same with Connor Williams as well. These first 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.440 and second round picks are a lot different than they 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.919 were last year as far as how much that they're 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.800 expected to contribute. I will say with you know, knock 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.200 on Wood, I have sky high expectations for Connor Williams, 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.560 but I'd feel far better about him being unavailable than 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.200 Layton Vanderesh, just because of the situation with your linebackers 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.640 as opposed to your offensive line. But honestly, I feel 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.760 pretty good about the depth that most positions. They're only 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.520 really two positions. I think depth could be a problem. 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.920 I think linebackers one of them, um and I think 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.920 safety Z other safety c obvious one. But I think 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.480 outside of that, I'm I'm hard pressing. I'm may be 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.359 missing one, but I'm hard pressed to think of a 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.440 position where I'm I'm thinking that, Well, they got a 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.200 hundred of them that they're gonna now they're all yeah, 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.560 but ninety nine of them are unproven. Okay, and that's good. 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.840 But guess what You're going into the season with unproven receivers. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:23.880 You accepted that we made the decisions, you made a 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.720 soft season. I don't know that an injury changes that, right, Yeah, 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.120 you're right. So so I just think those two positions. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.120 To me, I look at those two positions, and those 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.159 are the ones I'm most concerned about death. I mean, yeah, definitely, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.080 Well you go down and down, all right. I don't 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.360 want to kill the thing. Okay, no, no, and that's true. 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.440 I mean, quarterback goes down for most teams around the league. 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.400 You're except for the Super Bowl champ, you're probably in trouble, right. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:47.800 I don't want to have to play more than a 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.600 couple of games without Zeke. I mean, if we're really 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.560 just taking a look at it. But there's a difference 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.840 between depth and I know, my greatest my star players, right, 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.400 I'm being a smartass. Thank you, Dave. Yeah, okay, let's 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:03.800 just it's another subject. There was something that came up yesterday. 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.640 I thought it was really a fun fact about the 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.599 left tackle position and some of the guys on the 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.120 old line that have played at that spot and why 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:16.760 they've become nowaday and what this may mean to Lyle 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.520 Collins future. Do you do you guys know what happened 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.960 there with that position? Plenty to me, Dave, you wrote 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.560 to Colin, I was there. Yeah, so go ahead, I'll 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:31.159 let you get into those guys. Well, it's interesting, which 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.400 it's always fun when a player is like, yeah, that's 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.599 really interesting, Like I thought about that, because usually players 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.839 don't want to talk about whatever you're asking about. But yeah, 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.560 it's it's an interesting point that four of the five 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.440 presumed starters on the offensive line have played left tackle 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.919 at some point in their career. That includes Lyle, Zach Martin, 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.880 Connor Williams, and Tyron Smith. Really, Travis Frederick is the 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.520 only presumed starter who's never spent time out there. And 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.760 Lyle said it himself. He's like, you know, at least Lyle, 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.040 He's like, at least I think that your left tackles 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.920 your best guy. So you've got four guys who were 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.919 the man for their offensive line at some point and 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.280 which he was basically like, I don't really know what 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.680 to do with that information. But it's cool though. Yeah, 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:20.240 it's cool. It's a cool little fact. I think it's similar. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:21.960 It is a cool fact, and I think it would 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.120 but it just goes to show that you've got talented players. 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.480 I think you could probably go to every NBA team, 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.280 every baseball team and say at some point you batted 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.280 clean up and you pitched, and you were the center, 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:35.720 you know, at some point, because it just shows you 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.600 were a badass at Now. The interesting part is most 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.840 of the that is college though, right, Yeah, no, I 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.960 think not just high school Tyrn. Tyron is the only 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.400 guy among them that's played left tackle in the pros. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.000 But but but yeah, no, I mean, Lyle was the first 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.280 team All Conference left tackle, Zach was for a second 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.400 team All American left tackle, Yeah, and Connor was first 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.160 team All Big Twelve. I mean they all were accomplished 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.160 left at big schools. Yeah, that's that's impressive. Do you 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.440 think that any of that um makes the Cowboys feel better? 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.720 If knock on wood, you know, let's say in the 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.000 next two or three years, Tyn gets to the point 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.200 where neck, back a are bigger issues, and he's like, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.640 I'm ready to retire, I'm ready to give it up. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.040 I'm just this is just as soon the first time 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:22.520 that's been thrown out to you know. Oh, yes, well 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:23.920 he had a little bit more. She was a little 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.240 more emphatic than I was. But but no, I'm just saying, 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.080 does that make you feel better because you have some 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.040 players here, some really good players here, that have had 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.280 some experience at left tackle, and you don't feel like 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.839 you're completely exposed if something like that should happen. I 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.560 think so, And I think you definitely have some experience 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.520 guys at left tackle. Really, what it shows me more 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.240 than anything is that you have an athletic line. You 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.240 have line with a good feet that can get on 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.200 the move. Obviously, to play left tackle, you're gonna have 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.400 to have some some good feet. So I think that 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.240 that's what it shows me, is that you've got two 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.199 guards that can actually you know, that have had that 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.400 kind of ability mobility too. I gotta see it happened 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.480 before I say that they won't be exposed, because they 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.480 got exposed big time last year because of that. But 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:11.000 you know, I'm I'm I'm starting to become a believer 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:12.920 that Lyle could do that at some point in his 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.880 career if if need be, or you know, when his 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.400 contract runs out here, if he wants to test the market, 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.120 or however that plays out, like, he could probably do that. 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.480 And I think I'll I just Zach Martin's one of 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.960 those guys where I'm like, yeah, you can fly sure, 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.520 like whatever whatever you want to do. Like, yeah, Zach 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.520 probably has X ray vision, like I'll do Like, I 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.280 just think he can do anything. So and that's all. 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.240 Also just considering the fact that Tyron is probably I 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.680 saw you tweeted yesterday when he's helped, he's probably the 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.120 best left tackle in football. So no matter who you 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.959 put out there, it's may not be as good as 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.040 the best tackle in football, but you may be able 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.520 to get by because you have guys that have some 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.160 experience and they're good players. Well that's I mean, that's 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:52.800 the flip side of that, is like, oh, these guys 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.920 are also good. They all played left tackle in college. Well, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.400 Tyron's the first team All Pro in the pros, right, 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.840 so big difference. Yeah, he's the man on this line, 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.760 which is different from being the man at LSU. The 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:05.880 hope is that you haven't for a very very long time, 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.679 I hope. So yeah, fingers crossed for a healthy O 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.080 line this year. Okay, so now let's get into some 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:17.440 exciting things regarding Tavon Austin. And that's a guy that 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.720 we discussed last week and the week before and kind 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:24.360 of what is his role gonna be with the Cowboys. 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.440 We haven't seen them. We came to the conclusion that 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.679 maybe the Cowboys were kind of hiding him away from 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.280 other teams and keeping him like a secret weapon. Well, 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.839 now we finally saw him with the first team and 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:39.679 kind of everywhere doing a little bit of everything. So 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.240 what did you guys think about his role in how 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.520 the Cowboys utilized him? Yesterday? I have no choice but 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.440 to assume that somebody over there listens to our show 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.120 and they were like, whoa, we don't want Dave to 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.440 be mad, so we better show Tavon at the next 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.959 OTA because yeah they did. I mean, you know, it's 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.880 still OTAs, but we just got to see TV. He 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.960 was running some all the stuff that you would think 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:05.679 of him doing, Like he took some carries out of 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:07.600 the backfield, he was lined out wide, he was lined 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.920 up in the slot, took some they did some jet 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.880 sweep stuff like nothing that you couldn't have guessed that 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:14.600 he would do, but he was just doing it. So 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.160 that was fun to see. I love him as a 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.520 gadget guy, like just being able to do all those 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.720 different things. I mean, he's not going to be a 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.360 guy that's going to be a starter per se, but 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.080 he's gonna get opportunities and he's gonna get opportunities to 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.560 make play for this team, which I think they've kind 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.840 of missed in the last few years, having just kind 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:32.360 of a guy that can do a little bit of 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.240 everything that can present. You know, people always talk about 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.400 we hear fansay at all the time, and we've actually 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.640 mentioned it on our show. By the creativity of this 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.240 offense and not having it at times, I think this 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.520 guy ultimately gives you a ton of ability to be 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.160 creative and come up with some good opportunities for your offense. 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.040 I think he'll go as far as Zeke can help 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.120 take him. I think this running game, this offensive line 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.200 in the running game, if they are doing what they're 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.560 supposed to be doing, then I think guys like Tavon 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.640 Austin can really benefit from that. I don't know if 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.600 she's going to be a starter first team, but he's 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:05.160 gonna be out there doing a lot of things. And 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.199 what I like the most is but what we were 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.600 able to do the last few days and talk to 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.640 a lot of players and we're putting together a package 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.240 on speed and the fastest guy on the team, and 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.240 you got the answer, Oh it's Tavon for sure. By 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:22.200 a lot of people that said Tavon is still the 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:26.440 fastest by far. So yeah, good. I just think that 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:27.760 that's a good thing. I mean, it's a good I 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:29.400 mean a lot of people think, well, he's not what 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.640 he was or he's been a bus He can run, 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.440 and he hasn't always had the running game around him. Yeah, 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.120 Girly had had a great year last year, but he 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.240 was banged up a lot. He hasn't always had a 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.600 great running game that he could kind of benefit from. 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:43.840 And to the Rams credit, you don't draft the guys 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.719 seventh overall to benefit off someone else. He's supposed to 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.360 be the playmaker. As it turns out, he needed help. 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:51.360 He's got it here in Dallas. Talk a little bit 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.080 about both you guys out all three you guys, talk 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:54.840 a little bit about the speed on this team because 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.200 we we for years talked about he Neil Moore speed, 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.240 especially a wide receiver. They get Tavon Austin, they get 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.000 Deonte Thompson. Uh, you know you got Zeke who can 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.600 run obviously, Um, talk about the speed this year versus 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.960 last year. You know, do you see it as a 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.600 big upgrade in speed and how do you think that 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:15.440 translates when when game time, game time comes, Well, let's 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.240 just look at like the Atlanta game or any of 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.440 those games. I guess that Zeke was out. You know, 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:22.959 you look at a game like that, how many positions 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:27.440 are they faster than they were before? I mean Atlanta game. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.280 Obviously your left tackles is faster than than you know, 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.120 I think tyrans mets a better athlete than Chazz Green, 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.480 but the running back is going to be better. You're 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:37.360 tight end is going to be more athletic. He's I 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.120 don't know if he's anything else, but he's going to 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.599 be more athletic. And your wide receivers are going to 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.400 be more athletic, I think, than than what you had 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.560 in that game. So that's just one game. But I'm 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.880 just saying that, I think from an athletic standpoint, you're 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.880 seeing it a lot. I steal this from Well, you 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:54.640 weren't here anyway, so you don't know I'm stealing it 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.000 from Nick, but I listened there. They're side their side 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:02.520 to side, their lateral speed encourages me like Tavon, we've 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.040 seen Deontay Thompson can do some of those types of things. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.040 Plus he has that downfield speed. I don't think of 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.200 the rest of it, Like, I don't think it's going 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:14.559 to be drastically different intern I mean's Zeke Zeke. I 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.720 don't like Alan Hearns isn't faster than Dez. I wouldn't 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.000 imagine Terrence's Terrence. So I don't think it's like this 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.320 drastic difference. But there is that element, which you know, 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:28.200 I talked about this yesterday with somebody during practice. I 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.680 was like, you know, nothing logically dictates that Tavon Austin 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.720 has to make this team, Like he's not commanding this 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.160 crazy salary or anything like that. But I just think 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.840 it's almost a given that he's going to because of 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.520 that element that he can bring. Where again, you know, 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.240 you go back to Lucky Whitehead, even when he's not 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.240 getting the ball, you have to respect that he's moving 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.880 across the formation more so than Lucky white Yeah, and 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:49.640 just all that type of stuff. So, like, I do 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.280 think there's an element that they didn't have last year 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.680 where they have a couple of guys who can threaten 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:57.920 that way? Is it at all concerning to you, guys, 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:02.320 that an offense is good as Saint Louis's. Actually, la 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.960 the Rams last year wasn't able to find a more 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.440 a larger role for a guy like this that has 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.600 those kinds of skills, Because you think about it, Nick, 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.480 you were talking about how much Zeke would help and 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.280 will Todd Gurley is an equally great running back, right, 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.760 and it's is it somewhat troubling to you at all 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.320 that they weren't able to find that right way to 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.400 be able to get the most out of him that 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:27.960 we suspect the Cowboys will have to try to get 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.800 out of him. I would say that's the concerning part 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.840 of it. But what gives me hope, it's the fact 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.880 is when you see the coaches talking so well about 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.280 him and how excited they are to have him on 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:43.120 the team, and seeing his teammates reaction and appreciation and 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.480 recognition of what kind of speed he has and the 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.200 kind of athlete he is. So when you see something 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.840 like that, it makes you excited and you hope that 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.280 they will find the right spot for him. And as 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.640 we saw yesterday, they were trying him out at different 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.800 places kind of they have enough time to figure that 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.240 out over time during training camp, and it was good 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.680 to see them finally doing that inexperimenting with him. I'm 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.040 looking for the quote of what Lenahan said about him yesterday? 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.560 Do you remember that. I wasn't at Lenahan yesterday. But 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.160 it doesn't concern me at all because it goes back 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.840 to expectation. Like the only the only way that that 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.120 could disappoint me is if I was expecting him to 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:23.960 come in and like, I don't. He's not going to 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:25.760 make a Pro Bowl. That's not what I'm looking for. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.680 I don't. I'm not looking for a thousand yards rushing 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.040 or receiving or you know, I want him, you know, 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.920 I expect him to be the primary return man punt 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.040 and kick, and I think it's realistic to think that 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.760 you can find a way to get him six or 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.040 seven touches a game on top of that, So you're 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.760 talking about ten to fifteen touches probably, Like if he 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.560 carries the ball fifty times this season and catches the 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.800 ball twenty times, I think that's a great start. And 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.080 again you're talking not just about what he can actually do, 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.200 but the perception what the defense has to a out 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.000 for him being on the field. Is DA going to 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:03.160 give it to him or is it going to go 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.360 to Zeke? What's going on here? Like it you're making 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.120 a mistake if you're thinking of him as this Pro 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.600 Bowl acquisition. But I do just I think of him 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:14.080 as a wrinkle who probably rip off five to ten 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.600 big plays this year and just be a constant mismatch threat. 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.120 And so that's why it doesn't worry me, because that's 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:21.560 I mean, he did that for the Rams last year. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.600 He was banged up and they didn't use him consistently, 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:28.040 but I think he had four or five six hundred 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.280 all purpose yards by the will against the Cowboy. Yeah, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.359 he had a great game against which I wrote about 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.199 this and I've talked about it on Twitter. If you 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.720 want to see what I think he can do here, 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.080 go watch that game, because I think he caught two 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.760 balls and had six carries for fifty yards. Like he 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.639 didn't get a game ball, but he was a valuable 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.840 piece of that offense, which I think he can do 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:57.720 that here. Did you find that right? Yeah? But I mean, yeah, 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.280 I get through the sermon there, he said. Lenahan said, sorry, 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.240 I like to inform people. Yeah it was good. Okay, 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:10.359 um he said today I don't know, No, it's fine, 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:11.840 it's fine. It was one of those things like in 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.080 the moment, you know, it's like he just said, is 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.239 he a wide receiver or running back? Which Lenihan has 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.439 asked this all the time. You know, that's what happens 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.359 when you do these weekly media sessions. Guys come up, 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:22.879 you know, they haven't been here all the time. But 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.119 he says, is he a wide receiver? Running back? He's like, 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.639 he's Tavon. I mean, he can line up anywhere at 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.000 any time or place. So that's cool to say that. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.240 Let's see if Lindahan does that. I mean, that sounds good, 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.080 and they he did mention also, he's actually jumping between 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:38.879 the wide receiver in the running back room. I know 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.320 I read that somewhere heard that as well. Not I 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.680 don't think that's quite hope, that's not accurate. And we've 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.080 seen him more on a wide receiver. That's they're not 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:49.840 going to give you a diagram for what he's doing. 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.359 But like a week or two ago, Lenahan was like, well, 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.600 like he's in the receiver's room. But the thing about 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.520 all these rooms is that they're close together, like he 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.359 can find his way over the running back. What are 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.600 the option I mean, what are the it's the chance 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:05.080 that he is going to have a go route that 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:07.600 he's gonna go sixty yards down the field and Deck's 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.520 gonna throw them the ball like, slim to none. Slim 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.600 to none, I think. So, I mean, I think there's 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:14.920 a chance that that'll happen. He'll run deep at some point. 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.199 What are the chances that on third and one with 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:19.479