1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,560 Speaker 1: I don't know that the Reds are going to be 2 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: that much of a player for Santan there. They have 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: been really active in trying to get things done. How 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: they go about it and what they do remains to 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: be seen. Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm Ken Rosenthal, joined today by Scott Gron was filling 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: in for Alana Rizzo. Before we get started, obviously we 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: want to acknowledge what is going on in Los Angeles. 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: So many of us have friends and families there. Our 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: hearts go out to them, and obviously it feels trivial 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: to talk about baseball at a time like this, but 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: that is what we do, and we do have plenty 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: to talk about. So while our thoughts are with everyone 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,319 Speaker 1: in La Scott, let's get into it. 15 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get into an I echo of course what 16 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: you say, Ken, thinking about family, friends and just everyone 17 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: else that's dealing with devastation out there. 18 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: But we'll try to be an escape. 19 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: So let's hit the lead, all right, So let's start 20 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: with the Saint Louis Cardinals, Ken and their ongoing quest 21 00:00:58,760 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: to trade Nolan Aarra. 22 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: No one hasn't made it easy for them either. 23 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: Because he did reject what looked like a pretty nice 24 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: situation with Houston. I was a big fan of that 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: trade happening. 26 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 3: It didn't. Houston pivoted very quickly. 27 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: So Katie Wu and yourself and everyone else have been 28 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: covering this story for quite a while now. With the 29 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: athletic what is the latest and really what fans want 30 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: to know is is he actually going to get traded 31 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: over the next month or is he going to be 32 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: a Cardinal? 33 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: The latest is what Katie wrote that the Red Sox 34 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: appear to be the last best hope for a Nolan 35 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: Arnado trade, and frankly, it's really difficult to read the 36 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: Red Sox right now. In my opinion. We've talked about 37 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: this quite a bit. They should be signing Alex Bregman, 38 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: and if they don't sign Alex Bregman, maybe at that 39 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: point they would be interested in Arnado. But it's a 40 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: different player. It's a guy who's turning thirty four coming 41 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: off two down years. Perhaps they could work out the 42 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: financials with the Red Sox, but it's complicated for the 43 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, I mean, but it's complicated for the Red 44 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: Sox because Arnatto is a third baseman, and you'd have 45 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: to move him or move Devers Raphael Devers to first 46 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: or dh perhaps trade casts. It's just a complicated series 47 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: of things that would need to happen where Bregman, if 48 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: he signs with the Red Sox, likely would play second base. 49 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: But getting back to Arnado, if it's not the Red Sox, 50 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: you might say, well, there are other teams that need 51 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: third baseman. John Morosi today mentioned the Mariners, the Tigers. Yeah, 52 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: they need third baseman. But Arnatto already has rejected one 53 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: team that frankly is in a more competitive position than 54 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: those two clubs I just mentioned. His goal is to win. 55 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: That's why he went from Colorado to Saint Louis in 56 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: the first place. So if he rejected Houston, I don't 57 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: see him accepting a Seattle or a Detroit, even though 58 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: Detroit of course made the playoffs last year. Even though 59 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: Seattle has this great pitching staff rotation. 60 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 4: We know that. 61 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: So ultimately, what could happen here, Scott? He stays with 62 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: the Cardinals and then they revisit this at the trade deadline. 63 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: That is certainly one possibility here. It's not a possibility 64 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: that are Natto particularly wants it's not a possibility that 65 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: the Cardinals want, that's for certain. But he has, because 66 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: of his no trade power, the right to reject any deal, 67 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: and a player earns that contract right through years of 68 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: service or through a clause in his deal. Arnatto has it, 69 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: he has the right to exercise it, but he might 70 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: have cost himself a spot when he rejected Houston, thinking Okay, 71 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: I'll wait for the reregman situation to play out, we'll 72 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: see where it goes. Well, Houston closed that gap pretty quickly, 73 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: and then other teams don't seem, for whatever reason at 74 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: this point, to be as interested. 75 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: So I've got two follow ups for you that come 76 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: to mind. I'll go one at a time. So one is, 77 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: what does Nolan want? I'm kind of curious. I mean, sure, 78 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: the Red Sox have some promise, they have prospects coming up. 79 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: Maybe he's got a relationship with Cora. I know he 80 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: knows Trevor's story, but I'm like, why the Red Sox, 81 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: of all the teams, why did they stand out? Because, 82 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: like you mentioned, it's not even like it's a perfectly 83 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: clean fit. 84 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: Devers is over there at third. 85 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: His agent Joel Wolf has said that no one Arnado 86 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: wants a team that's going to win short term and 87 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: long term, so a team that's going to be over 88 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: the rest of his contract, one that is competitive. The 89 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Red Sox certainly should be that kind of team. Then, 90 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: got all this young talent coming, and yes, Trevor's story 91 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: is a big part of the draw for Ronado. They 92 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: are former teammates with the Rockies, they're close. You ask, 93 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: in a more general sense, what does he want, Well, 94 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: it's what Wolf said. He wants to win, and he 95 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: wants to be with the team that he thinks will 96 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: have that seeming assurance of, if not winning, at least 97 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: being competitive. Would you have that with Seattle? Would you 98 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: have that with Detroit? I'm not sure. You might have 99 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,679 Speaker 1: it with the Yankees. You might have it with the Dodgers, 100 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: but those two teams don't seem interested. The Mets, I guess, 101 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: would be another possibility, but I don't know that they're 102 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: interested in a thirty four year old no On Ronado 103 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: when they seem to be having a lot of trouble 104 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: coming around to the idea of a thirty year old 105 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: Pee Alonzo. So the options seem to be dwindling, and 106 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: ultimately might Arnatto change his perspective if he sees that 107 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: he can't get to Boston. Yes, that's conceivable, but he 108 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: also has the ability to simply stick in Saint Louis 109 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: until at least the deadline. Saint Louis wouldn't like that. 110 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: They want to play Nolan Gorman a third. They want 111 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: to do some other. 112 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 3: Things as well. 113 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: They want to cut payroll. But again, he has the 114 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: power here. 115 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: Okay, And it's curious to me because I get it 116 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: he want to go to Houston. 117 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 3: The Ashers have been the most. 118 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: Consistent team in the league over the last ten years, 119 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: and I guarantee you they are competitive this coming season too. Right, 120 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: here's my other fill up. You kind of hinted towards it. 121 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: So if he does stay, the Cardinals have to worry 122 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: about the Cardinals. They've been very vocal about the fact 123 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: that they are going through a transition. They want to 124 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: play some of. 125 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: The young guys. 126 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 2: By no means are they obligated to play him as 127 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: much as he wants to play, or do really anything 128 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: that he wants to do. In terms of on the field. 129 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: He's still obviously a good player. He's not a superstar player, 130 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: at least in terms of what he did last year. 131 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: Could we get to a situation where things get a 132 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: little hairy and they want to play their young guys 133 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: and it actually is going to hurt even his value 134 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: on a trade market, because then teams are like, all right, 135 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: you're getting you're losing playing time to a Gorman or 136 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: a Brandon Donovan or anyone else that's young and wants 137 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: to get time in the infield. 138 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: Scott, you're talking about a staredown, and a staredown certainly 139 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: as possible here. Now the Cardinals, if they decide to 140 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: say bench or not, which is kind of what you're suggesting, 141 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: they would effectively be damaging his trade value, which is 142 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: what you also said. And I don't know how productive 143 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: that would be. If you play him and he plays 144 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: well and his trade value is up, then you move 145 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: him at the deadline, and yes, you cost yourself four 146 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: months with potentially looking more at Gorman or Donovan or 147 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: someone else. But I don't know that benching him would 148 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: be the most productive thing that they could do now. 149 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: At the same time, that is certainly a threat they 150 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: can make. They have that ability. They can say, listen, man, 151 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: you come back. You're not playing so you got to 152 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: take a trade. Whether he calls that fluff or not. 153 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: If it came to that, and it's certainly not the 154 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: Cardinals style to do that, but who knows. This is 155 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: an unusual situation. If it came to that, well, then 156 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: he'd have to make a decision. 157 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: If you want more on this story, Cardinal Territory is 158 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: one of the newer shows on the network. Katie Wu 159 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: and former Cardinals closer Trevor Rosenthaler all over it. So 160 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: there it is. You can get it wherever you get 161 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: your podcasts. You can listen to them on Apple or 162 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: Spotify or anywhere else, and also you can watch them 163 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: on YouTube. Go give them a subscribe. They're working hard 164 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: and they're covering this story at length. All right, So 165 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: let's get to topic at hand today, which for some 166 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: people gets a little bit nerdy because most of it's 167 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: just numbers being exchanged and settlements going down. But by 168 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: the time the show is done, we'll hit the deadline 169 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: for the arbitration numbers to be handed in and otherwise 170 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: you can go to an arbitration case. But we see 171 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: lots of settlements that are popping up. Some people like 172 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: to pop up every number, which we have the arbitration 173 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: estimates already, But anyway, what are you paying attention to 174 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: on a day like today. 175 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: The big ones, and in this particular case, Vladimir Guerrero Junior, 176 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: because he will have the biggest salary to come out 177 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: of today. He is projected to earn according to Mlbtrade 178 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: Rumors dot Com, about thirty million in arbitration. The exact 179 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: number that they pegged was twenty nine point six million. 180 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: And of course with Guerrero there is a greater context 181 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: as well, because this is going to be his five 182 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: plus season, his last season before free agency. The Jays 183 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: have been negotiating with him on a long term extension. 184 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: So far, no deal. This has been going on for 185 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: years with the Jays in Guerrero, and he's getting closer 186 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: and closer to what he has established as a spring 187 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: training deadline for a deal start a spring training. These 188 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: conversations are over, so I don't expect the long term 189 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: deal to come out of today, certainly. But will the 190 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: Jays take Guerrero to a hearing? That is another question, 191 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: and I don't know that that would be a terribly 192 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: smart thing to do when you're trying to sign the 193 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: guy to a long term extent, so let's put that 194 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: board up again. There were some other interesting arbitration cases 195 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: and bigger numbers that we're going to see today. It's 196 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: not just Guerrero, it's Kyle Tucker, Luisa Rise, Dylan Cees, 197 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: and Zach Gowan. What do these guys all have in common. 198 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: It's all their walk years. So they're all going to 199 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: be free agents after this season, and we know what 200 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: the Padres. Arise and Cease are two of the players 201 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: that they've been listening on, because they always will listen 202 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: on five plus guys, the guys who are again entering 203 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: their walk years. Michael King is another one for them. 204 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: Robert Suarez, their reliever, has I believe a mutual option. 205 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: So they're a team that we have been waiting for 206 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: to do something. Whether they end up trading any of 207 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: those players, it remains to be seen. Of course. The 208 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: bigger Padres news this week was the lawsuit filed by 209 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: Peter Sideler's widow against his two brothers, essentially trying to 210 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: get control of the team. That is a subtext to 211 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: all this, but we will see in the coming weeks 212 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: what the Padres do. But certainly I would expect most, 213 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: if not all, cases to settle. That is what always happens, 214 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: and then you'll have I don't know, fifteen twenty ten, 215 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: maybe that will go to hearing or at least not 216 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: be settled today. 217 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, most players will tell you arbitration's awkward. The one 218 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: that I'm paying attention to is Kyle Tucker because he 219 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: just joined the Cubs and they want him to kind 220 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: of be the savior and get them back into playoff mode. 221 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: So you better not go to an arbitration battle with 222 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker when you just welcome to him to the team. Ken, 223 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: I know, you know he's gonna have free agency. He's 224 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: not likely to sign with the Cubs after this year. 225 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: In my mind, I think they'll be even bigger suitors. 226 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: But imagine if he joins the team and then the 227 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: first thing they do is meet him in an arbitration 228 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: case and tell him how bad he is. 229 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: Well, Scott, you're right. It's not a good look with 230 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: any player, and it's a counterproductive thing when you're talking 231 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: to a player that you value and you want to 232 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: contribute for your club next year, and yet you're tearing 233 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: him down in a hearing. And I know it's done 234 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: professionally for the most part, but at the same time, 235 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: as you said, it's awkward, not good, and that's why 236 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: you'll see so many settlements. When you see cases that 237 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: don't settle with like a spread of I don't know, 238 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand, a relatively small number in baseball terms, 239 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: not in real life terms, it gets a little ridiculous 240 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: because the amount you're going to pay the lawyers to 241 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: prepare the case might exceed the difference in the two 242 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: salaries that are being proposed. 243 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, then it gets to principle where they're like, I 244 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: just want to win this, and it's silly. 245 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: I agree. 246 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: Don't fight that fight against the player. You don't want 247 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: a disgruntled employee. Let's put it that way, all right. 248 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: So let's get to some payroll I thought this was 249 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: interesting from your colleague at the Athletic Aaron Gleeman. He 250 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: just put out what payrolls look like on a division 251 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: by division basis, combined payrolls by division. The NL West 252 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 2: is the only division that goes above a billion dollars. 253 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: Then you have the NL East at nine to forty 254 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 2: five million, the AL East at eight eighty six. I'm 255 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: just reading these out for the podcast crowd that'll listen later, 256 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: because they're not going. 257 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: To see this. AL West eight fifty two. 258 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 2: Then it's a big Dropls Central six twenty six, AL 259 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: Central five hundred and forty nine million. So do you 260 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: take anything from this. You get to see it on paper, 261 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: how much variance there is in our sport. 262 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: Right Scott, And I don't know that anyone watching or 263 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: listening would be surprised by those numbers, by the fact 264 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: that the West with the Dodgers, has spent the most money. 265 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: The Dodgers, Giants, and Diamondbacks have all spent big money 266 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: this offseason. No one would be surprised to see the 267 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: analyst spending all that money with Wan Soto getting seven 268 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five million. And I don't know that 269 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: anyone would be surprised to see the two Central divisions 270 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: at the bottom of this argument, because the Central Division 271 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: teams for the most part, are not big spenders. And 272 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: actually it's not even for the most part, it's virtually 273 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: all of them. The Cubs are the one team that 274 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: you would think would be big spenders. 275 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 3: They're not. 276 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: The White Sox happened to play in the same city 277 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: as the Cubs. They could be big spenders, but they're 278 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: not in a point in their competitive cycle where they're 279 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: going to be and really even at times when they 280 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: might have been, not Jerry Ryinsdorf kind of thing. So 281 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: that is one of the takeaways there. There are others 282 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: as well. I don't know that we're surprised by any 283 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: of this, but it speaks to the differences in the 284 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: division competitions that we see take place virtually every year. 285 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it's fodder for fans to complain too, 286 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: Ken because you know, teams like the Dodgers and the 287 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: Mets and the Yankees are hogging up a lot of 288 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: these off seasons, hogging up a lot of the luxury tax. 289 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 3: They're going past that number. 290 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: But at the same time, we've had plenty of parody 291 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: in our sport in terms of World Series winners. 292 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 3: That is no doubt. You look back at how many 293 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: teams have won back to back. It's been a long time. 294 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: It's been since that Yankees dynasty that we've seen back 295 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: to back. 296 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 3: So anyway, we'll be right back. 297 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: We'll get a word from me and some of my 298 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: friends at FT, and then we'll answer some of your questions. 299 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 5: As an athlete, I care about what I put in 300 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 5: my body, especially when it comes to protein. But can 301 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 5: we also get some protein that tastes good? 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I'm sure other 326 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: agencies want to see where Tanner Scott lands and for 327 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: how much. So Bernie asks, what is your best guess 328 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: on Tanner Scott? 329 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: Good question. My best guess is a three or four 330 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: year deal in the fourteen million dollar range, and that's 331 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: not a big closer money. It's not what Josh Hater got, 332 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: and maybe Tanner Scott will do better than that. Maybe 333 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: he's at four to sixty four four year, sixty four 334 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: million something along those lines. I don't know, but you're right, 335 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: the market has been very slow. Tanner Scott is a 336 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: guy drawing a lot of interest from a lot of 337 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: different teams. Really, if you're a team with a need 338 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: for back end late ining help, which is virtually every team, 339 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: then you want Tanner Scott. So I do expect him 340 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: to do the best out of all the remaining relievers, 341 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: but I also expect that a number of the others, 342 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: and there are still I don't know how many, but 343 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: maybe a dozen to two dozen quality relievers available. Some 344 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: of these guys are going to get its squeezed. In 345 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: some cases, you're going to see teams wait and wait 346 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: for the supply to still be out there, but the 347 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: demand to start to diminish and the price is to drop. 348 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: Once that happens, you'll see maybe some good deals or 349 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: better deals for the clubs than you might have expected otherwise. 350 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: And I do think that the market for relievers, I 351 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: won't say it's going to crash that's too strong, but 352 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: it's not going to be in many cases what the 353 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: players expected. 354 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: Let's jump to the starting pitching market and trades. So 355 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: Marcus Stroman's name is starting to pick up. At least 356 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: you'll see more articles and rumors based on what the 357 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: Yankees have done with their rotation. So are our buddy 358 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: rep who's often asking us questions or the man ref 359 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: what is with the Yankees and all the Stroman talks. 360 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: It sounds like he's not happy about it. 361 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: It's pretty clear what's going on. I wouldn't say the 362 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: Yankees are out of money, that would be overstating it, 363 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: but they want to move Stroman to free up money 364 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: for some other pursuits. We need another infielder. We all 365 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: know that they acknowledge it. I don't know that they 366 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: have right now the flexibility from their owner, how Steinbrenner, 367 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: to go out and spend big. They seem not to 368 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: have that. So you trade Stroman, you don't save all 369 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: of a salary, maybe, but you save a good chunk 370 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: of it. Then you have a little bit more to 371 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: play with in your pursuit of an infielder. That is 372 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: what is driving this. I do expect at some point 373 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: some deal will happen with Stroman, but I can't tell 374 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,719 Speaker 1: you which team, and I can't tell you at what 375 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: point this will happen. 376 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 2: And still quite a few starters on the market, not 377 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 2: necessarily the biggest names. We've gotten the Burns, and the 378 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: Freed's done and the Snell's done. But there are a 379 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 2: lot of mid tier guys that are available right now 380 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: that we've talked about this week, Clarity, Paveeta, etc. 381 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 3: Let's get to Shane. 382 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: What have you heard about Kansas City's trade prospects. Are 383 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: they close to something? Hey, they signed Michael Lorenza the 384 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: other day, Ken, and it seems like they're kind of 385 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: at their limit. Now in terms of spending, I don't 386 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 2: know if they have any trades left in them. 387 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: I still feel like they're short offensively. I don't know 388 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 3: what you think. 389 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: I would agree with that, but I also think, Scott, 390 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: as you just said, that they are pretty close to 391 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: their spending limit. In fact, Lorenzo surprised me a little bit. 392 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: I didn't even know that they had one more move 393 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: left in them. They made the trade earlier this offseason, 394 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: Brady Singer for Jonathan India. That was something that they 395 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: certainly felt necessary because they want the on base guy 396 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: at the top of the order in front of Bobby 397 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: Wick Junior. Can they do other things? I don't expect 398 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: that they're going to do anything else of a major 399 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: consequence before spring training starts, before the season starts, at 400 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: the deadline, if, as you said, Scott, their offense is 401 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: still short, this is a team in a front office 402 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: I should say that has shown it will be aggressive. 403 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't put them in the category of San Diego 404 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: when San Diego is really going full blast. But Kansas City, 405 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: for a lower revenue team, has been one of the 406 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: most aggressive clubs in the last two off seasons, so 407 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: I would expect if they are in it, they will 408 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: do so things. But I don't know that any of 409 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: those things are going to happen before spring training or 410 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: before opening day. 411 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: I love the Kansas City example, because they did start 412 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,959 Speaker 2: going for it last year in the off season and 413 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: it worked. They went from really bad to pretty damn good. 414 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 2: So we're gonna do more grill and kennessec. Once I leave, 415 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 2: I do want to hit you with a quick surprise, Ken, 416 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: you did receive a nice honor and award this week. 417 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: I'm on here so I get to shout it out 418 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 2: a little bit, so a big congrats to you, of 419 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 2: course for being recognized by the NSMAS Sports Media twenty 420 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: twenty four National Sports Writer of the Year. 421 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 3: So just want to shout you out. 422 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 2: Appreciate all that you do, and of course the group 423 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 2: selecting you means a lot. 424 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: Well, Scott, nice to you to say that, because I 425 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: know when I get back on Foul Territory, AJ's going 426 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: to say, how is it possible is this organization gives 427 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: you an award when you won't even vote for Tory 428 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: Hunter for the Hall of Fame. I have to deal 429 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: with AJ. But Scott, I appreciate it, man, and thanks 430 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: for helping out today in place of a lot and 431 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: we will continue with Grill and Ken. Let's see what 432 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: the next question holds for us. Thank you Scott once more. 433 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 3: Thank you. 434 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: See we have a Mets question coming up. Let's see 435 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: what it is here? What do we got, guys? 436 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 3: All right there? 437 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: It is from armand who says? What do the Mets 438 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: do at first base? If Pete signs elsewhere? Could Yandi 439 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: Diaz or Luis Arise come into play via trade? Yandi Diaz, 440 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: I don't believe. Actually, I reported this week that he's 441 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: not a guy that's going to be traded. So let 442 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: me put that in English. He is not a guy 443 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: that's going to be traded. I'll get the double negatives 444 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: out of there. He is someone that the Rays need 445 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: because their offense took such a dip last year. They 446 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: made so many trades at the deadline too. They need him. 447 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: They need Brandon Lau at least to start the season. 448 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: They're gonna go forward, it seems with Diaz and lou 449 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: Now Luisa Riise is out there. Obviously he is someone 450 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 1: that a team could acquire in a trade, but there 451 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: are defensive questions with him, whether it's at first or second, 452 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: and while he would be an interesting fit for the 453 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: Mets in many ways, I don't know that that's the 454 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: direction that they're going to go. That they can also 455 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: get a third baseman and move Viento's to first, But 456 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: my expectation is for all that they're still going to 457 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: resign Alonzo, that this is the obvious move for them. 458 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: I know, obviously the price is up for discussion, and 459 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: it's been a sticking point the term of the deal 460 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: in particular, but it still seems to me that Alonzo 461 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: is the most likely thing that they can do, and 462 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: if they don't do that, they can still move Viento's 463 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: to first and play some of the younger guys at third, 464 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: Luis Angel Alcuna Junior, I'm sorry, Luis Alcuna or Ronnie Mauricio, 465 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: some other guys that they have in their mix. So 466 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: I don't know which way they're going, but my expectation 467 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: still is Alonzo. 468 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 3: All right. 469 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: Next question, this one comes from Nicholas, who asks any 470 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: news on Santander. The answer to that right now is no. 471 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 2: Now. 472 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: There were reports earlier this week, I think, or last 473 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: week that the Jays were moving on Santander, that he's 474 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: certainly a guy that they want and are going to 475 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,479 Speaker 1: maybe sign. Hasn't happened, doesn't mean it won't happen. But 476 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: the Jays are looking at all the big free agents 477 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: Santander and Alonzo and Bregman, and they're also trying to 478 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: get bullpen help. And actually, if I had to bet, 479 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: I would bet on the bullpen help ahead of any 480 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: of the big free agents, just because of the way 481 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: this market has progressed. That said, Santander is a guy 482 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: who fits them pretty well, and it's not clear what 483 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: the rest of his market is. So maybe he's the 484 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: guy who takes the Jay's money. They've tried pretty hard 485 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: with a number of players in this particular offseason, and 486 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: maybe he's the guy who ultimately is the one. But 487 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: right now, no new developments. All right, finally he would 488 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: go to Actually, I shouldn't say fially. We have questions 489 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: coming in. This one's from adit Ma Mood who asks, 490 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: is Dean Kramer and under the radar trade with the 491 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: Mortons signing fair? Question? I did, and I don't believe 492 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: that's the case. The Orioles kind of have depth right 493 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: now in their starting rotation. I don't know that they 494 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: have the quality that they would want. Certainly Eflyn and Rodriguez, 495 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 1: Race and Rodriguez at the top is good. They've got Morton, 496 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: They've got Sigano who they brought in also as a 497 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: free agent, and then they've got Dean Kramer, Bratish coming back, 498 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: Kyle Bradish sometime around the All Star break, Tyler Wells 499 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: as well. That's their hope. These guys are coming off 500 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: major elbow surgeries. You can't expect them to return as aces. 501 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: And then they have a number of younger pitchers with options, 502 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: and actually that group includes Trevor Rodgers as well. You 503 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: can trade from that group. You can trade Dean Kramer, 504 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: especially with the demand for starting pitching, and maybe get something. 505 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 3: But what are you getting. 506 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: You're gonna need that depth. The strength of this rotation 507 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: is not again quality, it's not three top of the 508 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: rotation dominant pitchers. It's the fact that you have all 509 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: of these different options available to you. So I don't 510 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: see it, But at the same time, you can't rule 511 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: it out with the demand for starting pitching being what 512 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: it is, and I'm certainly sure that the Orioles would 513 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: listen on anyone. E Gauge their market value. All right, 514 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: next question, This one is about the Cincinnati Reds. Ah 515 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: Charlie White asked, will the Reds sign and outfielder? Now, 516 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked that, because Anthony Santander is a 517 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: guy that the Reds have also been linked to. Now, 518 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: I don't see the Reds being in a terribly flexible 519 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: position financially. Now, all it takes is an owner in 520 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: this case, Bob Castellaney, to say you know what, we'll 521 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: do it, and then a deal gets done. But I 522 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: don't know that the Reds are going to be that 523 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: much of a player for Santander. They have been really 524 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: active in trying to get things done. How they go 525 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: about it and what they do remains to be seen. 526 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: Remember they added Lux this week. Gavin Lux and Gavin 527 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: Lux or Matt McClain, Spencer's tyear. They have all of 528 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 1: these players who will not necessarily be infielders purely. Some 529 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: of them, Steer in particular, might be an outfielder purely. 530 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: And you can play Lux in the outfield, you can 531 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 1: play McLain in the outfield. It's not great, but that 532 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: might be the direction in which the Reds go. Dude, Dude, dude. Ah, yes, 533 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: that's something else? Is what else? The dude of the week. Now, 534 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: we have a lot of candidates this week, as always, 535 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: Justin Verlander's certainly a candidate. He signs with the San 536 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: Francisco Giants. That's kind of a cool thing. But the 537 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 1: guy I'm going to go with is a guy who 538 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: signed a relatively modest two year, eight point five million extension. 539 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: And you might say, Ken, how can this guy be 540 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: a dude? He's only getting eight and a half million, man, Well, 541 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: the dude's name is Drew Rasmussen. He's a right handed 542 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: pitcher with the Tampa Bay Rays. He has had two 543 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: Tommy John surgeries and a third major elbow operation that 544 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: limited him in both twenty twenty three in twenty twenty four, 545 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: and yet this week he did get that extension with 546 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Rays. He is one of these players 547 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: that we kind of talk about from time to time, 548 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: just studying perseverance, and this guy is hung in there, 549 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: and who knows how healthy he's going to be over 550 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: the next couple of years, whether that extension, even as 551 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: modest by baseball terms as it might be, will be 552 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: worth the money for the raise. But he's a guy 553 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: that because he has persevered, because he has actually been 554 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: a quality pitcher when healthy, I'm giving him due to 555 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: the week because, hey, Drew Aspissen, man, he's worked really 556 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: hard to get to this point where he would even 557 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: be considered for an extension. So Drew Raspussen, congratulations, dude 558 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: of the week. Ah. Yes, the music for the John 559 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: Fisher Dork of the Week. We wait for it every week. 560 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: It's so special to hear the John Fisher Dork of 561 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 1: the Week intro. And this week it kind of revolves 562 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: around the guy we could have given due to the week. 563 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: Brent Rooker signed that five year, sixty million dollar extension. 564 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: But shock of shocks, we're gonna give it to the 565 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: Oakland A's once again, because here are the A's putting 566 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: out an email about the extension for Rooker, and they're saying, 567 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: committed Rooker is here to stay. Interesting choice of language 568 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: by a franchise that is not here to stay, not 569 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: in Oakland, not in Sacramento. Oh, and they're going to 570 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: be here to stay in Las Vegas. So they tell us, 571 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 1: as I've said all along, shovel on the ground, and 572 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: then we'll talk shovel on the ground stadium constructed, and 573 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: then we'll all believe the A's are going to be 574 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. Now kidding aside, Actually I'm not really kidding, 575 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: but all that aside, they are expected to get to Vegas. 576 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: But when they use language like here to stay, why not? 577 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: The A's are perennially in this mix for doork of 578 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: the Week. The A's again are dorks of the week. 579 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: So congratulations once more to the Oakland A's owned by 580 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: John Fisher for their enduring darkness. Let's put it that way, 581 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: all right. I want to thank everyone for watching, thank 582 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: everyone for listening. We've got Foul Territory coming up next. 583 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: Foul Territory, of course, is our Staples show here at 584 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: the Network. Today's guests Scott Ostler, Josh Reddick, and Chris Young. 585 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: Great guests. Scott Ostler, one of the great commists in America. 586 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: Josh Reddick of course a host of one of our shows, 587 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: the One in Houston, based out of Houston. And Chris Young, 588 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: the Rangers general manager. So hey, thanks everyone again, thanks 589 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: for Scott Braun stepping in for Alana Rizzo. 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