1 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Y'all, there's an ongoing investigation into the death of a 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl. And I got to tell you, 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: this case is driving me crazy. I do not understand 4 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: how they do not have more information, how they don't 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: have a person of interest that they've named. I don't 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: know how there ain't an arrest in this thing. I 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: am talking about the murder of Celeste Hernandez. She was 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: found in the front which I still think is a 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: ridiculous name, but in the trunk that's in the front 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: of the tesla of David Anthony Burke. And y'all, we 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: are so fortunate tonight to have Lauren Conlin back with us. 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: Y'all know her, y'all love her. She's beautiful, she's smart, 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: she's funny, she's vivacious. You know, you only hang out 14 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: with people that are like you. I mean, that's all there. 15 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 2: Is to it. 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: But she's gonna be. 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: This is why I joined your show, Cheryl. I mean, 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: you're amazing. You're just so amazing. 19 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: I love you, no, but everything I said about you 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: is true. You know that. But you know you have 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: been doing some just gumshoe work on this thing. And 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: I want people to know about the phone calls you've 23 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: made and some information that you have, So if you 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: will just give a little bit of background for everybody 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: that doesn't know. You know, when Celeste first went missing, 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: she was classified as a runaway, how old she was, anything, 27 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: just to kind of bring them up to speed, and 28 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: then I want to get right into what you have 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: been finding out. 30 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: Yes, of course, and you know, Cheryl, this case is 31 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: very complicated. It's very nuanced, and I have to give 32 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: credit to the internet sleuths. I mean the people on 33 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: Reddit and on YouTube. They've uncovered a lot of stuff. 34 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: And it actually was a source or a sleuth who 35 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: first made me aware of a resurfaced video of David, 36 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: which we will get into later. But just some background 37 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 2: on the case, and I think what you said, it's 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: important to note that a person of interest has not 39 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: been named by the LAPD. Officially, they have never named David, 40 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: although we know that this case has been presented to 41 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: a grand jury in Los Angeles and David's name has 42 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: been brought up. We know for certain witnesses that are 43 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: connected to David that have testified, like his manager, and 44 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: also I have had a source or two who have 45 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 2: said that an indictment is imminent and David will most 46 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: likely be named, although we don't know what he will 47 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: be named for. We don't know if he will be 48 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: indicted on a homicide charge, on an abuse of a 49 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: corpse charge, We don't know anything like that yet. So 50 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: just going back to last a beautiful fourteen year old 51 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: girl who clearly met her demise way too soon, and 52 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: this case also burns me up, Cheryl. There are so 53 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: many unanswered questions about this little girl's life. She was 54 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: a runaway. She was first reported quote unquote missing in 55 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: February of twenty twenty four. She seemingly returned, and then 56 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: she ran away again in April of twenty twenty four. 57 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: And you know, it's unclear. I think at one point 58 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: she may have been staying with a cousin. She possibly 59 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: may have been staying with David, although that's not necessarily confirmed, 60 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: but it's it's concerning because her family didn't they didn't 61 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: alert law enforcement that she ever came home or if 62 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: they ever, you know, got in touch with her. And 63 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: it's also concerning if you're and this is my opinion, 64 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: I'm absolutely not judging her family because I don't know 65 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: them personally and it is concerning if you're allowing your 66 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: fourteen year old child to maybe stay with a cousin 67 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: who was nineteen or twenty. I believe that's holds her cousin. 68 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: Was, especially when she's already run away and you're talking 69 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: about seventh grade. 70 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: Well, I think it was she. I think she might 71 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: have been in eighth grade at this point when she 72 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: ran away. I mean, a wow, big difference, what am 73 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: I saying? 74 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: But to say in middle school, I mean you're talking 75 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: about come on, she is a child, and where did 76 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: she meet him? Where did their lives intersect. I've always 77 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: had an issue with that, because again, in this stage 78 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: of somebody's life, somebody in middle school somebody that's a 79 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: junior in high school have nothing in common. 80 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: I would agree with that. And reportedly they met online somehow. David, 81 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: you know, he's a rising singer. He came to you know, 82 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: popularity on TikTok. He was a fortnight gamer, but he 83 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 2: is a crazy online presence. He was homeschooled in Texas, 84 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: and so he spent a lot of time online. And 85 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: reportedly they met online, whether you know it was on 86 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: a discord server on Instagram, I'm sure an internet sleuth 87 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: will correct me somehow. And her teacher also verified this 88 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: in a video that was recorded by a student, and 89 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: it was this year after she went missing. Her teacher said, 90 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: I know that she met David online, but now after 91 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: some of these videos that I've seen have have surfaced, 92 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: I'm wondering if she possibly met him at her school 93 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: campus somehow. Because the same week that the teacher said, 94 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: you know, or was recorded in this video, David was 95 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: also seen with Or. This was previously but it was 96 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: released the same week, he was seen in a parking 97 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: lot in Lake Elsinore, where Celeste lived in California. In 98 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: this parking lot, he was with another student. It looked 99 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: like a male student, and it was about five minutes 100 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: from her house and about five minutes from the school 101 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: as well. So he definitely is loitering with younger kids. 102 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: And look, I've heard the argument. You know, now, David 103 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: is twenty years old and some of these kids might 104 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: not be much younger than him. But Celeste, she was fourteen. 105 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: She was a lot younger than him. And that is 106 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: why we are here. We get to examine everything that 107 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 2: you have done. When when a little girl's body is 108 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: found allegedly dismembered in the stupid fronk of your car. 109 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: Can we disagree that, Yes, the word frnk is stupid 110 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 2: and the spelling of D four VD all stupid, stupid, stupid, ridiculous. 111 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, I don't know how you don't 112 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: have a person of interest when she's found dead in 113 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: the trunk of your car that you don't report missing, 114 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: you don't report stolen, You just stay quiet about your 115 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: tesla that ain't in your driveway, that gets towed away 116 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: after period time. I mean that makes you a person 117 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: of interest to me. 118 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: Oh well, Cheryl, let's let's go through the list here. 119 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: Not only has he been silent, he canceled his tour, 120 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: he postponed his album that was coming out. He left 121 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: his Hollywood home, they completely canceled the rental, he transferred 122 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: his Texas homes in his mother's name, and he hired 123 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: an attorney, Blair Burke. She's more of a Hollywood fixer, 124 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: so I was a little confused at first. She has 125 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: tried a murder case or too, but she's not really 126 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: known for that. But all of these things, you know, 127 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: paired with his silence, and look, I've learned that Blair 128 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: Burke is the type of attorney that prefers her clients 129 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: to remain silent, and she doesn't give a lot of comments. 130 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: And you know, we both know many attorneys that are 131 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: not like that, but she she's one of those attorneys. 132 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: So he probably has been advised by her to not 133 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: speak out. But it's all very very concerning, and it 134 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: all points to him having some type of involvement somewhere 135 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: or somehow. 136 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: Anybody that cancels a national tour before there's any police involvement, 137 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: the amount of money you're gonna lose, the amount of 138 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: folks you're putting out of business, I mean, it has 139 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: to be astronomical. And he did that prior to any attorney, 140 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: prior to law enforcement coming to him reading him his rights. 141 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: That never happened. So he, to me, has actions of 142 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: a man that believed he was gonna be arrested. 143 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: Yes, And let's also just take a step back. I mean, 144 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: he's a twenty year olds. We're gonna call him a 145 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: kid for all intents and purposes, right, who's probably most likely, 146 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna assume, never been in a situation like this before. 147 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: Clearly that we know of so he is most likely 148 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 2: being advised by a lot of different people. And so 149 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: I'm assuming Innerscope made this call, but also Innerscope hasn't 150 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: dropped him yet as a client. I mean, I have 151 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: been trying to like look into that, and I'm like, 152 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: did I miss something? He has not been dropped by 153 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: a record label. And you know, Timothy Busfield has been 154 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: charged right and Innovative Artists they dropped him the next day, 155 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: justin Baldoni. You know this lawsuit, Blake Lively, he was 156 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: dropped by WM you know, a couple of days later. 157 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: But somehow you can have the body of a minor 158 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: in your car and your record label won't drop you. 159 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: Well, can I ask a question, Ain't he's still making 160 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: a money because I never heard of him? Most people 161 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: that I know, and I know I'm old, but we've 162 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: never heard of him. Well, now suddenly he's being looked up. 163 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: He's being talked about a lot of times in the 164 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: music industry. When you get arrested or you're involved with 165 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: something that's nefarious, your stock goes up. 166 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: You're right, Cheryl, you make a great point, and this 167 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: is this is a fact. This is factually accurate. His 168 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: songs and his streaming numbers and his downloads have skyrocketed, skyrocketed, 169 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: you are correct, So. 170 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: That even had to look him up because the title 171 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: had no. 172 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: Clue who this guy was. I had no idea. 173 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: But you know, once you see some of those titles, 174 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I know what the prosecution is going 175 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: to do, so I want to see him too. So 176 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: I mean I had to listen to a couple of 177 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: them myself. And again, if you feel like, well, for 178 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: every download there's X amount of money, and if you 179 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: break this certain number, there's going to be even more money. 180 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: So he's still making money. They ain't dropping him. 181 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a great point. I just think optics wise, 182 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 2: it's a horrible look. I mean I do because we're 183 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: again we're not talking about and I'm not minimizing, you know, 184 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: bald I don't know what happened there. I mean I 185 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: sat in court for very lengthy hearings at Baldoni, but 186 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, he's getting accused of nuzzling her 187 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: neck and his team's like no, bye, and again we've 188 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: got a potential homicide of a miner on our hands. 189 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: And sure, well at the very least she had a 190 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: medical event and got no prompt attention and was placed 191 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: in the trunk of a car. So even if it's 192 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: not murder, it's horrible. It's it's an ending that no 193 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: child should get. But I want to go back to 194 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: a couple of things. You mentioned the word optics, which 195 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: I think is really important, and I just want to say, 196 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: you can be mister campus your senior year of high school. 197 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: If you show back up to hang out in the 198 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: parking lot when you're twenty, you're a loser. Yes, yes, 199 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: nobody in the senior year is going to think, oh, 200 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: that's so cool you get to come hang out with 201 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: us again. 202 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: Yes, but just to be just to be accurate, he 203 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: was not twenty when these videos were released. 204 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: You no, I understand. Okay, I got that part. 205 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: I'm sorry you're saying now, Yes, sorry, I'm saying okay, okay. 206 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: Yes, it's only a two year span, and an eighteen 207 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: year old girl is going to think you're a loser. 208 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: An eighteen year old boy is going to think you're 209 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: a loser. If you back it up to she's thirteen 210 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: or fourteen and he's nineteen, he's still a loser. Why 211 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: are you here. You don't belong. Clearly, I don't understand 212 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: how somebody can be listed as a runaway and mom 213 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: and daddy don't know where she's at, but some teacher does. 214 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: I thought she's supposed to be a mandated reporter. I 215 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: need to know what's going on there. The other thing 216 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: that bothers me is I understand he's a kid, too, 217 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: I do. I understand seventeen eighteen, nineteen twenty. He he's 218 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: not making all the right decisions. I understand that you 219 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: can go to any frat house in America and watch 220 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: bad decisions all day. I get it, But most of 221 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: those frat houses do not have a fourteen year old 222 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: girl inside of them. 223 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: Correct. And I think he nailed it. 224 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I had somebody recently. They were like, yeah, 225 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: but you know, fourteen days not like fourteen back in 226 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: the day. Okay, let me explain something to anybody that's 227 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: listening to me. I'm not the person that you can 228 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: bring that garbage too. And second of all, I defy you. 229 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: I don't care what she looks like. She may look grown, 230 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: she may be beautiful, she may have some clothes that 231 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: are well beyond her years. Okay, she may have a 232 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: body that is so kicking, all right, talked to her 233 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: for five minutes. There is no way. Anytime I drove 234 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: Caroline and her friends when she was thirteen, fourteen fifteen, 235 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: I knew they were thirteen fourteen fifteen. If you I 236 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: had a really good buddy. She worked under cover catching 237 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: child predators. Do you know what she did to get ready? 238 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: She went to middle school lunch rooms and just listened. 239 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: None of them were talking about the stock exchange, honey, 240 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: none of them were talking about a mortgage. They're thirteen 241 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: fourteen and they sound like it and they act like it. 242 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry. There is no way he didn't know. 243 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: And the fact that she's got fake IDs, you know, 244 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: more than one of them. I think he was in 245 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: on all of it because she didn't have any money. 246 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: Anything she ate, anything she wore, anything she bought came 247 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: from him. 248 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: I am horrified, but just as horrified as anybody who 249 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: would tell me that that is an excuse, and maybe 250 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: they didn't mean that as an excuse. Fourteen is not 251 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: the same. I don't really care. It's not right. It's gross. 252 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: I mean, but you know, Cheryl, there's also a lot 253 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: to unpack here. I think with just some of the 254 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: details of the case itself, like where you said, maybe 255 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: it wasn't a homicide. But I do believe that it 256 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: is a homicide because the grand jury has been convened 257 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: and the ADA on the case. She is a fierce 258 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: prosecutor in La Beth Silverman. I just don't think that 259 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: they would be using her if it wasn't a homicide. 260 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I just thought she was so badly 261 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: decomposed they're not going to be able to prove it necessarily. 262 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: I hope that's not the case. I hope I'm wrong. 263 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: No, But I think you have a point there because 264 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: also I will surmise that they have brought experts in 265 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: forensic experts to maybe reevaluate what the LA Medical Examiner's 266 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: Office may be concluded, because I do think there is 267 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: some kind of a rift between the DA, the LAPD, 268 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: and the emmy's office. And I think it's perhaps the 269 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: DA's office thinks that it's going to be a problem 270 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: if her cause of death has to be deferred because they, 271 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: you know, can't figure it out because she was so 272 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: badly decomposed. So they do want to bring it in 273 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: another expert. But you know, I think for me it's 274 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: a little confusing because when it first came out the news, 275 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: they said that she was dismembered, but they claimed that 276 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: she was in a yellow tube top and black pants 277 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: and had black curly hair. And I just don't think that. 278 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: And I, you know, not to be insensitive and not 279 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: to be too graphic, but I just I don't. I 280 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: didn't see someone dismembering a body with clothes on. I 281 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: guess not to be all gross, but and it's confusing. 282 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: And then when the police said, oh, we don't know 283 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 2: if there's going to be any crime or any culpability 284 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: beyond concealment of a body, they didn't say abuse of 285 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: a corpse, which also was confusing to me. 286 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: Well, I know the detectives are just fit to be tied. 287 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: Because here's the other reality. The longer it goes, the better, 288 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: he's got his story together. If they could have gotten 289 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: to him quick, got some information, boxed him in a lie, 290 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: or guide him to talk, that ship has sailed sadly. 291 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: And you know, he does have a good lawyer, which 292 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: is the right decision on his part. But here's the 293 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: other thing that I'm kind of baffled. About and that's 294 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: that freaking tesla. And y'all, let me tell you why 295 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: as a crime scene investigator, that car is the best 296 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: partner I have. I've told this story before, but I'm 297 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: gonna tell it again. First time I ever dealt with 298 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: anything involved a tesla. We had a horrible attack and 299 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: a parking lot. The owner of the business had no cameras. 300 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: The business on the backside had no cameras. We just had, 301 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, somebody's word of what went down, and we 302 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: didn't believe it, but we didn't have anything. All of 303 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: a sudden, this man weeks later walks into the police 304 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: department as for the crime scene person. I go to 305 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: the window. He said, hey, I've got this for you, 306 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: and in the palm of his hand is a super 307 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: tiny little like disk like those little sim card things. Sorry, y'all, 308 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what they're called, but anyway, it was tiny. 309 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it was super tiny. And I said, what 310 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: is that. He said, it's the whatever SIM card from 311 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: my tesla. It captured the attack. I'm like what he said, 312 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's got cameras all the way around it 313 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: and once you get close enough, it activates and it 314 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: films everything, whether I'm in the car or the car's 315 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: cranked or not. Well, honey, I couldn't get my detective 316 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: to slam that thing in a computer fast enough. First 317 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: of all, it's clear as a bell. You can see 318 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: from basically the top of the tire, So that vantage point, 319 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: we could see the entire attack, including the knife, including 320 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: the puncture, everything, everything from the car that wasn't even involved. 321 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: And I've got somebody right now sitting in jail going 322 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: what got me a Tesla? Like there were no witnesses, 323 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: There was no cameras, Oh but there were. That Tesla 324 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: has nine cameras, and it has that event data recorder, 325 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: which y'all know is a black box. It can tell 326 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: you everything. So I don't know how they don't know 327 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: when that car was moved, when that car was towed, 328 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: when the trunk was opened, when it was closed. They 329 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: should know that in real time from the car, and 330 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: there should be video. 331 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: I have a theory of how that because is that 332 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 2: it is wild what you said, And yeah, Tesla's have 333 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 2: nine cameras, and my theory it's totally speculatory. But I 334 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 2: believe the last person that moved the car possibly is 335 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: in a different country and they know who he is, 336 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: but they cannot extradite him back here. They can't go 337 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 2: to Interpol, they can't do anything because there's not a 338 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 2: warrant out for his arrest, you know, they It's just 339 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: it's seemingly impossible to get the last person driving back 340 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: here because I mean, they they don't have evidence of 341 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: wrongdoing per se, but they know who's driving it last. 342 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: I also feel like there is a function or a 343 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: feature where you can I think you can auto delete 344 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: the camera footage. And again with the black box stuff, 345 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: you're right, but don't I don't know how long that takes. 346 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: I mean, what if they just got it back black sweek, right, 347 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 2: we don't know that. You're totally right like police obviously, 348 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: as you know, I don't have to tell you that 349 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: they know more than they're telling us, clearly, And they've 350 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 2: only spoken out when TMZ, when Harvey Levin has blown 351 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: up their spot. 352 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: Basically, well, you know they're frustrated and you know they 353 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: want to do more, but it sounds like you know, 354 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: they're handcuffed as well. 355 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, they got to. 356 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: Wait on the DA, and the DA's got to wait 357 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: on the Emmy and it sounds like from what you're saying, 358 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: it could be a bad situation. 359 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 2: I think so, And I do know that they have 360 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: more witnesses to call in the coming month. I believe 361 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 2: for the grand jury. But I think that we're getting closer. 362 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: We are getting closer. But it's it's just the strangest thing, right, 363 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, how do we not have an 364 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: arrest when it's like we I mean, this. 365 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: Child, I mean she suffered. You know, people don't usually 366 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: run away for no reason, and she ran away more 367 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: than once, and she didn't have the best time. It 368 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: seems like once she was gone from home. And you know, 369 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: to me, anytime you have a runaway, you have somebody 370 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: at such great risk of being used by the people 371 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: on the street waiting for them. And they're waiting for them. 372 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,479 Speaker 1: They know that they're going to be hungry, they know 373 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: they're going to be cold or hot, whatever the weather's doing. 374 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: They know that they don't have a way to make 375 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: money or get a job. A lot of times they 376 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: don't even have an ID. And you are going to 377 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: be one hundred percent, you know, beholden to this person 378 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: and relying on this person that does not have your 379 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: best interest at heart, and you know, I just I 380 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: just find it really difficult to believe that their paths 381 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: crossed in any good way. I mean, if you meet 382 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: somebody online again, look at her Instagram, you know, look 383 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: at how she talks. It should be so freaking obvious. 384 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, she's beautiful, but she's a child. I mean, 385 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: she doesn't look like somebody where I'd go, Wait a minute, 386 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: she's only fourteen. I mean, I've seen girls that would 387 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: shock me. 388 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: It really does. It makes me tear up, just it 389 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 2: makes me think about it. 390 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: Think about your life. If you lost your cell phone today, 391 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: your whole world is in your cell phone, I mean, 392 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: your bank, your contact right everything. Think of her out there. 393 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: You at least have Hey, I can call Laura, I 394 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: can call Tom, like there's somebody that you can trust 395 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: to come get you. She didn't have that. She didn't 396 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: have a teacher, she didn't have a parent, she didn't 397 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: have an aunt or uncle. She has this singer that 398 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: only young people have ever heard of, which is fine. 399 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: I mean that that's music. I mean I don't have 400 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: an issue with that, per se. What I have an 401 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: issue with is him finding fourteen year olds online that 402 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: will leave their home. I live with him. That sounds 403 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: like a predator to. 404 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: Me, correct, one hundred percent. I feel the same way. 405 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: And when his manager, Robert Morgan roth what was off 406 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: the stand and he apparently was on the stand for 407 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: three days testifying in front of the grand jury, it 408 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: was overheard that he was kind of yelled at by 409 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: the prosecutor who said, why didn't you alert law enforcement? 410 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 2: Why didn't you alert authorities? And we don't know exactly 411 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 2: what she was talking about, but if I had to guess, 412 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: I would guess that he knew Celeste was underage, or 413 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 2: that David was hanging out with underage kids and he 414 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: turned to the other cheek. That's what I would guess, 415 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 2: But I don't know for certain. 416 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, she's in videos with him, you know 417 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: where he's talking. I mean, there's some things that don't 418 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: look right. I mean, and I think he's going to 419 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: have a hard time answering any of it, even if 420 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: he wasn't the last person driving. You've got people that'll 421 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: do you a favor like put a dead girl in 422 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: the trunk of your car and then get goes to 423 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: another country. Well that don't look good either, Yeah, I know, 424 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that happened. I'm saying, could you 425 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: possibly have somebody that loyal to you? Do you have 426 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: that much money? Maybe? Maybe, But again, if you didn't 427 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: have anything to do with it, and somebody close enough 428 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: to you to drive your tesla doesn't bring your car 429 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: back and you don't see him and he ain't returning calls, 430 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: it seems like to me you would have called the 431 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: police yourself, because you know, when did he stop texting her? 432 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: When did he stop calling her? She's living in your house. 433 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 2: So many questions, and I really anticipate the day that 434 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: we get some answers for this little girl. I mean 435 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 2: it really, it's it's so like when you started talking 436 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 2: about her life, and you know, there was there was 437 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 2: video footage that surfaced of just I think it was 438 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 2: a ring cam of her appearing to be very upset, 439 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: yelling at her family or her neighbors or something, and 440 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 2: you know, you just feel so bad. You're like, what 441 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: was this girl going through that? You know she was 442 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 2: so upset and yelling at her family or her neighbors. 443 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: What did they do to upset her? And why did 444 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: she run away? There was a reason, right like there 445 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: she did not have an easy life. I just I 446 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: don't know personally, but I'm going to guess. 447 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: Any child that leaves a home and is on the street, 448 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: I mean they're not at a friend's house. They're not 449 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: in an aunt or a best friend, a teacher, somebody 450 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: from their church. I mean, you're just on your own. 451 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: That tells you how bad something is because I mean, 452 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: it's cold, it's lonely. You know again, you're gonna get 453 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: hungry pretty quick. There's nowhere to safely go to bed. 454 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: There's nowhere where you can watch TV or play games 455 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: or be with your friends. They're just not And it's 456 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: a pitiful situation to me. But listen, I know you've 457 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: got to go, but I got to ask you real quick. 458 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: This whole thing with Timothy Busfield. I mean, people are 459 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: just so divided, it seems like already. But let me 460 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: tell you my issue Number one that this isn't the 461 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: first accusation. Number two, you decide to drive instead of fly. 462 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: Your mudshot looks heinous. You should have at least had 463 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: your hair combed and a suit on and not looking 464 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: down and up. That's a weird. That's a weird thing. 465 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: I saw your Facebook post about that. I wanted to 466 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 2: text you because it was so funny. 467 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: Look, I look at mudshots every day all day, and 468 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: I can almost pretty much tell you that ain't a 469 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: good one. I mean, that's that's not going to help 470 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: people look at you as a non predator. I'll say that. 471 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: And then the other thing that bothered me is when 472 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: they said that the marshals had to get involved. Why 473 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: why don't we know exactly where you are? Why aren't 474 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: you telling people I'm on my way? And then when 475 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: you already admit to tickling them. But now here's my 476 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: big thing. Not going to break the case one way 477 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: or the other, but I have a real issue when 478 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: the defense is the only one releasing quote evidence. So 479 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: you're only going to release a part of a miner's 480 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: a miner now interview with law enforcement that says he 481 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: never touched my private part. Okay, y'all listen to me 482 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: very carefully. You don't know what was said thirty minutes 483 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: before or thirty minutes after. That's just one child, there's two. 484 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: Y'all got to wait because I do not believe they 485 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: have brought charges against this very public figure that they 486 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: don't have more than a victim that has already said 487 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: he didn't do it. 488 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: Did you watch the did you watch the detention hearing by. 489 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: Julie saw Parts. I didn't say the whole thing. 490 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: I think if you were to watch the whole thing. 491 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: And also, by the way, I don't expect anyone to 492 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: do the psychotic things that I do, Like I went 493 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: through every single page two hundred and thirty seven pages 494 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: of the opposition motion. I did stream the two hour 495 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: detention hearing. 496 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: But Lauren Conlin, that is why your own Zone seven see. 497 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: I can go have a margarita and sit by the 498 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 1: fire with Walt, and then all I have to say is, Lauren, 499 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: what did you find well? 500 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: And this is so hard, though, Cheryl, when it comes 501 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: to a child's sex abuse case, it's almost like you. 502 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: I don't even want to say what I'm about to 503 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: say right now, because first of all, we don't have 504 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 2: all the evidence. That's number one. Number two. I was 505 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 2: surpris to hear certain things that I heard in the hearing. 506 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: And what I'll say is Timothy Busfield does have a 507 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: history of these allegations and it's gross. His history, though, 508 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 2: is post let's say, let's call them post adolescent or 509 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: post puberty minors, and another woman was twenty eight years 510 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: old I believe, so his mo is not necessarily little boys. 511 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 2: That's one thing I'll say. I'll also say we learned 512 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: a lot about how the allegations surfaced. Basically, the mother 513 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 2: of the twins saw something online on social media or 514 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: something that Timothy Busfield did have a history of past allegations. 515 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 2: And this was shortly after the boys her sons did 516 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,479 Speaker 2: not get a new contract because they're twins and they 517 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 2: were playing the same character, and apparently they started to 518 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: not really look alike anymore, so they couldn't use them 519 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 2: as the same you know what I mean. So she 520 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: had this I guess, built up resentment where another actor 521 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: had heard her say she would like revenge on bus Field, 522 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 2: and so she had asked her sons after she saw 523 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: this post, like did he ever touch you? They said no, 524 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: but she wanted to sort of dig in further, I guess. 525 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 2: And so also you know, it was brought up that 526 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 2: the parents they do have a very serious criminal past 527 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: of fraud, each of them. I think the father was 528 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: a disbarred attorney, which you know the prosecutors brought up. Okay, well, 529 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 2: just because the parents have a past, doesn't mean that 530 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 2: their kids didn't get touched or this didn't happen to 531 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: their kids. Of course, that doesn't mean that. It does mean, however, 532 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: they did have a motive in a way. They haven't 533 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 2: always been truthful in the past. Clearly this all of 534 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: their cases were included in this two hundred and thirty 535 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: seven page motion. And I mean not only that they 536 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: did consult a civil attorney before going to the police, 537 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: and the prosecutors clarified it was a friend, so it 538 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily formal, but they did consult. And then as 539 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,479 Speaker 2: far as bus Field goes, well, if you look at 540 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: some of the time stamps on you know, the polygraph 541 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: he took, or the psycho sexual evaluation, this is what 542 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: he was doing in between the arrest warrant being issued 543 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: on the ninth and the thirteenth, turning himself in and 544 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: his lawyers they said, we called New Mexico, we called Albuquerque, 545 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: and we said, you know, we think you should drop 546 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 2: this whatever, and they said no, and they said and 547 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: he told them, okay, you know, we'll be there. So 548 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 2: I am also confused at why the US Marshall Service 549 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: was called. 550 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: Well, I want to say a couple of things, and 551 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: I want you to respond to this. He knew because 552 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: he got a phone call right. One of the things 553 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: he says allegedly to law enforcement is why I did 554 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: touch them. I tickled them on their stomach and their legs, 555 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: which means you have to pass their genitalia to do that. 556 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: Did he say stomaching legs? 557 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: It was reported. I read it more than one place 558 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: where he admitted to tickle them on the stomach and legs. 559 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: I think his video that he released to TMZ did 560 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: not help him with the general public. First of all, 561 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, hey, it's Tim. I don't know you. I 562 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: don't know you like that. So he's coming across like 563 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: he's trying to convince me. Hey, you know me. You 564 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: know I couldn't have done this. Don't try to convince me. 565 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: Tell me how it couldn't be. You tell me you 566 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: were never alone with them, Tell me you didn't buy 567 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: them Christmas presents, trying to get them not to report. 568 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: You tell me something not Hey, I'm going to fight this, 569 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,959 Speaker 1: and because innocent, which is not what an innocent person says, 570 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: by the way, and I've got to get back to work. Work, 571 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: that's what you're worried about, not your wife, not your 572 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: own children, not your grandchildren, not that these people are 573 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: painting you as this predator. 574 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 2: No, and wait, by the way, you are right. I 575 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 2: just opened the court doc. It does say stomach and legs. 576 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 2: You're right, that's weird and you are so correct. That 577 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: was the weirdest video. When he's like hanging so hang 578 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: in there, I'm like us, we should hang in there. 579 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but again, you're releasing stuff. You're trying to 580 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: get ahead of this storm instead of getting your butt 581 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: down there saying I didn't do any of this. I 582 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: will take your polygraph, not my polygraph of the person 583 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: I handpicked that I got the questions beforehand. 584 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 2: Agreed the polygraph was a joke. Joey agree with all that. 585 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 2: I agree with all that. I'm just saying I need 586 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 2: to see all of the evidence. 587 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: And I'm with you, and listen, I'm not trying to 588 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: condemn him. What I'm trying to say is some things 589 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: have occurred that don't help him. Are you ticklish, Lauren? 590 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 2: I am. 591 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: I am too. So if you really, you know, like 592 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: near my ribs touch me, I'm going to move either 593 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 1: left or right, depend on what side you're own, right, 594 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: So my breast are coming towards you now, so if 595 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 1: you don't move your hand, you're gonna get to second 596 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: base pretty easy. That is why these creepy uncle types 597 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: tickle girls. They know what's going to happen. So tickling, 598 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: to me, does not absolve you from being a perverb. 599 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 2: That's a great point. I never thought about that. And truly, 600 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: I'm also not trying to help this guy out because 601 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 2: I really don't know. I just know that what I 602 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 2: heard in the hearing made me examine this case, I 603 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,240 Speaker 2: guess from a slightly different lenes because again my initial 604 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 2: thought was like, f this guy, this nasty. You know 605 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 2: what I mean. I'm just it's horrible, It's exactly. 606 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: But listen, let me ask you this, because I don't 607 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: want to condemn anybody, and I'm not trying to only 608 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: see people as guilty. But where you say, yeah, but 609 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: these parents, they've got some fraud in their background. They 610 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: were mad because the kids weren't, you know, hired back 611 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: or whatever. In that the perfect victim too. I mean, 612 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: there are reason men pit girls that don't have a 613 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 1: father in the home, that moms having to work two 614 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: jobs and the girls by herself all the time. These 615 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: people know how to select victims. Every single person in 616 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: their atmosphere is not targeted, right, That's a great They 617 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: know what they're doing. So I'm just saying to me, 618 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: I have to believe there is more to what's happened. 619 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I know they went to a doctor. I 620 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: know they talked to a therapist. There's got to be 621 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: a real forensic interview where some type of outcry had 622 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: to be made, they had to tell a similar story, 623 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: they had to have given some type of evidence somebody 624 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: on that set. Yeah, they were alone with him. Of 625 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: course Dad had a log in where he was supposed 626 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: to be watching from a computer, but he obviously didn't 627 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: and the little boy even said something about that. So again, yeah, 628 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: I just I don't believe that they have drug this couple. 629 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Melissa Gilbert for sure, completely recognizable. 630 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 2: She is arguably more famous than he is. But you know, 631 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 2: the defense brought the director of photography who said, oh, 632 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 2: I was with Busfield pretty much all the time and 633 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 2: he was never alone with them. He made it seem 634 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 2: like it would be very difficult for Timothy to be 635 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: alone and it you know, The thing is, like, like 636 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 2: you said, you are bringing up so many good points. 637 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 2: And this is why I love to talk with you 638 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,919 Speaker 2: about this stuff because I need, I need to hear 639 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 2: all of this again and then weigh my opinions further. 640 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just gonna leave it this way, and I 641 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: want parents to listen to me. I don't know what 642 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: he did or what he didn't do, so I'm not 643 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: even talking about him. I'm talking about a seasoned predator. 644 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: A seasoned pedophile can often touch a child, dag them 645 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: near in front of you. They will put their hand 646 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: under the kitchen table while y'all are all eating dinner 647 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: and you don't even know what's happening. They can help 648 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: the child learn to swim, or they're touching them everywhere 649 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: and you're watching the swim lesson. They are things that 650 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 1: happen so fast. Walk, buying, ticklum go oh, I'll help him, 651 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, put that sweater on. Okay, just think about it, and. 652 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 2: You know what again, never mind, he did it, he 653 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 2: did it. I'm done. I take it all back. He 654 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 2: did it, but I just don't. 655 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: There's gotta be more. There's gotta be more. And listen, 656 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: I'll lead you this for the thirteen year old boy. 657 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: What thirteen year old boy to a male police officer 658 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: wants to admit that. So the fact that he quote 659 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: recanted doesn't mean it didn't happen. And so I'm telling 660 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: you they released what twenty six seconds, that interview lasted 661 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: hours and you ain't heard it. 662 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 2: That's a great it's a great point. That is such 663 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 2: a great point. And I think these cases, the child 664 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 2: abuse cases, they are so nuanced because of course kids wait, 665 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 2: they're ashamed, they take it back that. There are so 666 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 2: many reasons why things are not as consistent as as 667 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 2: we'd like them to be. I really I would love 668 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 2: to see more evidence. And you know, they the prosecutor 669 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,439 Speaker 2: said they had not even convened a grand jury yet, 670 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 2: so he hasn't formally been indicted, but she said they 671 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 2: do plan to do that. So I would think that 672 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 2: he is going to be indicted within within the month. 673 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: If I had to guess. 674 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: Well, I do think you're right. We need to all 675 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: just take a minute and let things come when they come, 676 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: and you know, it'll be clear. I mean, it'll be 677 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 1: clear for sure. I think in a pretty short period 678 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: of time, either he did it or he didn't do it. 679 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,919 Speaker 1: If he didn't, then there's got to be somebody called 680 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: on the carpet for the way he was treated. If 681 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: they didn't have enough, this should not have happened. 682 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I get it though, when you again, you've 683 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,919 Speaker 2: got a child abuse case, you're everybody, including mine knee 684 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 2: jerk reaction is f this guy. He's just like that. 685 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 2: I so get that. I think that I've only recently 686 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 2: come into a role where I try to thoroughly examine 687 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 2: both sides if if I deem it necessary. You know, 688 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 2: there are cases right now, the O Pair Manfield trial. 689 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 2: I'm not examining both sides. Sorry, you can kiss my ass. 690 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: No, I understand completely, I do. 691 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. But again, yes, I'm trying to 692 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 2: be better about jumping to conclusions. But with this, oh yeah, 693 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 2: you're right, I was like, and then I did read 694 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 2: those pages and I watched and I was like, oh, okay, 695 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 2: I might need some more information. That's all. 696 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 1: It'll be on the way, I'm sure. But Lauren Conlin, 697 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you. And again, what you're 698 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: doing with LA magazine is just top notch. You are 699 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: just knocking it out of the park. 700 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I really miss you. 701 00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,280 Speaker 1: I miss you or we're coming same, I promise I'll okay. 702 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 2: Well. I love you, I love your audience. I love 703 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 2: Max and hopefully I will see you soon. 704 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: Cheryl, you will and we love you too, y'all. I'm 705 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: gonna end Zone seven the way that I always do 706 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: with a quote, I'm gonna get my lick back. I'll 707 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: wait for years. You're gonna shed blood if you make 708 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 1: me shed tears. David the song title call me Revenge. 709 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is Zone seven.