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Speaker 2: My name is Ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over

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Speaker 2: there in beautiful Chicago Land, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, sir, how are you? I'm good? I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I was just changing my five month olds quite dirty diaper,

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Speaker 1: and I was thinking to myself, how can I tie

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Speaker 1: out with the old, in with the new. We all

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Speaker 2: It's not a Nebraska joke or an Illinois joke in

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Speaker 1: I thought it was. I thought it was inappropriate. I

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Speaker 1: positive as Minnesota has defensive issues. Nebraska is sort of

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Speaker 1: moving forward with his evening. So I didn't, well, look,

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Speaker 1: thank you one, thank you all amid that awkward transition. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yes, correct, all right, So.

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Speaker 2: Big ten West Dan, there was a point in time

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Speaker 2: What is the recurring theme?

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Speaker 2: Have they done anything to solve that quandary at the

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Speaker 2: But in watching him, the tools are there, but there

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Speaker 2: And that's the concern across the board with the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: the Big Ten West is where are the thirty five

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Speaker 1: I believe it was against Wake in the bowl game,

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Speaker 1: I think Wisconsin's good. I think they're legitimately good, and

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Speaker 1: We got no food, we got no jobs, our pets

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Speaker 1: I like it a lot. Yeah, what is the appeal

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Speaker 2: Great seed, thank you, dumb and dumber I see here,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've taken steps there. There's been some more

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Speaker 2: They've got fourteen starters back seven on offense, seven on defense.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those three things. It's absolutely true. And

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Speaker 2: One hundred and seventh last year in isoppp which is

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Speaker 1: I was tough. It is all right, Dane, We're going, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Minnesota, so let me let me talk to

435
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Speaker 2: you about my love hate with Minnesota here mm hmm.

436
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Speaker 2: This goes back to last year and it's probably something

437
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Speaker 2: I'm never going to live down. But two years ago,

438
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Speaker 2: Minnesota was awesome, incredible story, fun to watch PJ. Fleck

439
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 2: throwing the boat or whatever he does, he does, he

440
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Speaker 2: does it in Minnesota. And going into last season, there

441
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: was plenty of turnover on the Minnesota side for sure,

442
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Speaker 2: not the least of which was Kirk Sharaka Kirk Kirk Shiraka,

443
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Speaker 2: excuse me, who went to Penn State. Yeah, but even still,

444
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Speaker 2: I was really high on the Golden Gophers. They brought

445
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Speaker 2: a lot back, a lot of the key pieces were

446
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Speaker 2: back from that team that did really, really well. And

447
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Speaker 2: I remember doing our pregame shows in weeks one and

448
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Speaker 2: two and three of the earlier I guess late Big

449
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Speaker 2: Ten season at that point, because it started a little

450
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Speaker 2: bit later, I was all in on Minnesota. Minnesota is

451
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Speaker 2: my lock of the week for maybe three weeks running,

452
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Speaker 2: and damn if I didn't lose every one of those freakin'

453
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Speaker 2: picks and made a total ass of myself in the

454
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Speaker 2: process because Minnesota just didn't look competitive. It was a

455
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Speaker 2: different Minnesota team. They didn't look good at all. And

456
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Speaker 2: so you called them out here as one of Iowa's

457
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Speaker 2: opponents late in the year. Sure, after Wisconsin, after Northwestern,

458
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, which way is it headed now? For Minnesota.

459
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Speaker 2: We're gonna obviously do a bit of a dissection of

460
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Speaker 2: what went down in twenty twenty, but I'm I'm really

461
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Speaker 2: curious to get your take on the appeal of the

462
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Speaker 2: Golden Gophers because I'm I'm sort of flabbergasted by what

463
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Speaker 2: I saw last season.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, Tanner Morgan has been around long enough

465
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Speaker 1: that we can call him like our colleague, our colleague,

466
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Speaker 1: Tanner Morgan. We've talked about Tanner Morgan so much and

467
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Speaker 1: he's back. I think it's a sixth year correct, He's

468
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Speaker 1: super senior at this point. He's been whatever it is,

469
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Speaker 1: it's been around a long time. So the appeal is

470
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Speaker 1: probably the best in the way of proven and productive

471
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Speaker 1: backfields in the Big Ten West, Tanner Morgan next to

472
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Speaker 1: mo Ibrahim. Is there somebody else that you think should

473
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Speaker 1: be in that conversation? Proven dangerous, So that's an appealing

474
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Speaker 1: element to this. It's I always like focusing on a

475
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Speaker 1: position group that the head coach used to coach, and

476
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Speaker 1: we've seen beat with Tyler Johnson and Rashad Bateman the

477
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Speaker 1: past couple of years, they've really popped that position group,

478
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Speaker 1: the receivers, So I anticipate growth there with Chris Amnbel

479
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Speaker 1: leading the way I mentioned mo Ibrahim, the offensive line

480
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: is in really nice shape, and defensively, they brought in

481
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Speaker 1: a bunch of transfers. Now obviously that's not necessarily a

482
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Speaker 1: good thing, but sometimes it can't be just new faces,

483
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Speaker 1: new names added depth and depth was an issue for

484
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Speaker 1: sure last year. So healthier deeper on defense. If they

485
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Speaker 1: can get after the quarterback, that will protect for uh oh,

486
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Speaker 1: that will cover for a lot for a secondary that's

487
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Speaker 1: still a work in progress for sure, but you know,

488
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Speaker 1: having that immediate element of Tanner Morgan and Moe Ibrahim

489
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Speaker 1: right there steering the offense, I think that's the appeal.

490
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Speaker 1: It's that even with their struggle struggles last year, the

491
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Speaker 1: offense was largely in really good shape. So if the

492
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Speaker 1: defense can improve to merely below average, they're gonna win

493
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Speaker 1: a bunch of games. They do open with Ohio State

494
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Speaker 1: week one day do yep, yep. That's a Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: That's in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: Man, that seemed before it gets super cold, before it

497
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: gets super cold, and it's a good time to get Look,

498
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Speaker 2: you're getting a new starting quarterback on the road in

499
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Speaker 2: his very first game, and so it could be a

500
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Speaker 2: situation of he really struggled there as he got used

501
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Speaker 2: to the.

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Speaker 1: Speed of the game, but then in subsequent weeks really

503
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Speaker 1: really locked in. So maybe they catch him at the

504
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Speaker 1: right time. But yeah, it's a good secondary to get

505
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Speaker 1: if you're assume CJ. Stroud from Ohio State. It's what

506
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Speaker 1: it looks like right now. But after that, after the

507
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Speaker 1: Ohio State game tie, there's not a lot of clear

508
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Speaker 1: danger until they travel I mean basically where I am

509
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Speaker 1: sitting right now to play Northwestern in Evanston. They have

510
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: the revenge spot against Maryland with that GOOFY twenty twenty ending.

511
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Speaker 1: It's a rough stretch to finish for sure, at Iowa,

512
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Speaker 1: at Indiana and Wisconsin. So at least they get the

513
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Speaker 1: X game at home. So I don't know, it's a

514
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Speaker 1: pretty idyllic schedule until the end. And I don't necessarily

515
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Speaker 1: count Ohio State when I say that, but just in

516
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Speaker 1: terms of the stretches, for the most part, Minnesota is

517
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Speaker 1: not in a bad place. They're not.

518
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Speaker 2: And they bring back twenty count them, twenty starters from

519
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: a year ago, ten on either side of the football, sure,

520
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Speaker 2: which again it's a recurring theme. It's not unique to

521
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Speaker 2: anybody in college, and it's not.

522
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Speaker 1: Necessarily a good thing to return that much back if

523
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Speaker 1: your defense was at times very very bad.

524
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Speaker 2: But they don't generally get worse, you know, And that's

525
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: that's the thing. Minnesota is really bad on defense, right,

526
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: really bad on defense, to the extent we talked about

527
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Speaker 2: it last show when we mentioned Michigan State, how their

528
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: offense was pretty bad, but it almost didn't show up

529
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Speaker 2: in the numbers how bad it was. I feel like

530
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Speaker 2: Minnesota's defense was a level of frustrating at times with

531
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Speaker 2: giving up big plays. How poor they were against the run.

532
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Speaker 2: That was the finished better. They did finish better. They

533
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Speaker 2: finished better, clear really poor against the run, really poor

534
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Speaker 2: against the run. We knew that going into the season

535
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Speaker 2: that defensively there were going to be some struggles. I

536
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Speaker 2: ignored it at my peril, and it clearly did not

537
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Speaker 2: work out. But it is one of those things where

538
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Speaker 2: you look at the number after the fact and it's

539
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Speaker 2: like a right, it actually felt like a lot worse.

540
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Speaker 2: So I only bring that up to say that with

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Speaker 2: twenty starters back, it's last year was kind of like

542
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Speaker 2: a half year. It was an extended spring, extended full

543
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: practice session. To bring that many guys back is generally

544
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Speaker 2: a very very good thing. They'll be okay.

545
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Speaker 1: They were among the very worst defenses in the country

546
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Speaker 1: in terms of forcing teams to go three and out. Teams.

547
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Speaker 1: Teams were basically their best selves on offense. They really

548
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: accomplished what their parents felt like their potential was. When

549
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: they got on the field against the Minnesota defense, there's

550
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Speaker 1: so much potential. So I think I'm relatively high on Minnesota.

551
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've been high on these first three teams

552
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Speaker 1: that we've gone over. But if I'm going to insist

553
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Speaker 1: that the combination of quarterback and defense is the most

554
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Speaker 1: important combination for winning football, Minnesota has half of that

555
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: in a way that not many teams do in this division.

556
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Speaker 1: If anybody does, anybody? I mean, I suppose the best

557
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: of Adrian Martinez is probably the closest we've got to

558
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: Tanner Morgan. Am I missing anybody? Like, if you're gonna

559
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Speaker 1: rank quarterbacks in the Big Ten West, the best of

560
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: Asrian Martinez, which is for sure not always around, especially

561
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Speaker 1: with the revolving door at wide receiver. But if your

562
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Speaker 1: starting place is the best and most proven quarterback in

563
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Speaker 1: the division, it's it's Tanner Morgan, It's Tanna Morgan. It's

564
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Speaker 1: gotta be Yeah. So I'm pretty high in Minnesota. What

565
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: does that win total look like? A nine to three ceiling?

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Speaker 1: Eight and four feels more realistic with seven. Still the

567
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Speaker 1: questions in the back seven is the over under per

568
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Speaker 1: Vase I mean, I think I might take the over.

569
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Speaker 1: The schedule is not such that it it scares me

570
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Speaker 1: all that much. In the big meaty middle part. It

571
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Speaker 1: does assume that they're beating a Northwestern, maybe in Indiana,

572
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Speaker 1: certainly Colorado if they're going to get to that seven

573
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Speaker 1: win total. But I think I agree with you, with

574
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Speaker 1: all they have coming back, despite all their flaws, I

575
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: would probably go over on that seven. Miami of Ohio

576
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: at Colorado, which okay, it's you know, a team that

577
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: won games last year, but Colorado's down their quarterback from

578
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: last year. I don't know if they're starting J. T. Shrout.

579
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Speaker 1: We'll see Bowling Green who's atrocious, Purdue who has realistic

580
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: atrociousness on their realistic atrociousness. Realistic atrociousness is a potential

581
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: weird phrasing. We would use a perdue this year. Nebraska

582
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Speaker 1: at home, Maryland at home at Northwestern, which does not

583
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Speaker 1: have a huge degree of home field advantage, Illinois at

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Speaker 1: home at Iowa, and I mentioned you know at Iowa

585
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Speaker 1: at Indiana Wisconsin, so uh yeah, the if Minnesota is

586
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Speaker 1: merely I'm just repeating myself now, I just am talking

587
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Speaker 1: myself into sky Yuma Skayama. Okay, yeah, that's all I

588
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Speaker 1: am doing.

589
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Speaker 2: You mentioned that Northwestern is in your back, so let's

590
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: go there, boom both. Northwestern won the West last year.

591
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: They had a really solid defense. They were a half team.

592
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 2: They've been a half team for a long time, if

593
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: we're being honest. Where defense pulled them through. They did

594
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Speaker 2: enough on offense to be dangerous and win some big games.

595
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Speaker 2: But this is a team that we always have some

596
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: difficulty trying to peg every year. If you had pegged

597
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: them at seven and two before last season, I probably

598
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Speaker 2: wouldn't have bought that. This is an interesting case this

599
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: year though, because they've got some turnover. They swapped out

600
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Speaker 2: defensive coordinators, which has been a stallwart part of that

601
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: program for young klinown. Yeah, and they also only only

602
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Speaker 2: returned four starters on either side of the ball, which

603
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: in a normal year isn't all that much. If you

604
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Speaker 2: saw that in a normal year, you'd say, ah, well,

605
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: they're kind of starting over at some key positions, Especially

606
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Speaker 2: in twenty one when everybody brings back a ton. That's

607
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Speaker 2: strikes me as a bit of a competitive disadvantage for

608
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Speaker 2: Pat Fitzgerald.

609
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes and no. I mean the proof is also

610
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Speaker 1: them doing it basically most years, competing for the division,

611
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: whether or not they return a ton of players or not.

612
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Speaker 1: And last year they have Greg Newsom at corner and

613
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Speaker 1: Rashaun Slater who sat out last year, but have both

614
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Speaker 1: of those guys drafted as highly as they were seems

615
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Speaker 1: to be some proof of concept that that element to

616
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Speaker 1: Northwestern is continuing the developmental end of things. And it

617
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Speaker 1: wasn't a great offense last year, you know, relying on

618
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Speaker 1: a transfer once again with Ryan Halensky coming over from

619
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Speaker 1: South Carolina. It's just it's more turnover at a place

620
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Speaker 1: where you'd like to see somebody more comfortable within a system.

621
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Speaker 1: But they made the change at offensive coordinator last year,

622
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Speaker 1: so there's still very much a situation of flux on

623
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Speaker 1: offense for Northwestern to me, where the line looks like

624
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: it's going to be once again strong. They're left tackle

625
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: stepping in for Rashaun Slater last year did a very

626
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: nice job defensively. I think they're going to be very

627
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: good one again. I mean this is a year and

628
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: year out thing. Now it's a new coordinator in Jim O'Neill,

629
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Speaker 1: who the last time we saw Jim O'Neill coordinating offense,

630
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: as far as I could tell, the forty nine ers

631
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: were very bad in twenty sixteen, the last time he

632
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Speaker 1: coordinated a defense. Excuse me, but last year they were

633
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: really good. They were full on really good, and they

634
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: were really good with a not so good offense. So

635
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Speaker 1: if you're finding a way to win a division without

636
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: an ability to pop on offense, it's pretty good. I'm

637
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: saying pretty good a lot. The appeal is Ryan Alinsky

638
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: was a top recruit at quarterback from Southern California a

639
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: few years ago, and they did not have that sort

640
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: of expected production with Hunter Johnson a couple of years

641
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: ago from a former top flight recruit. But I don't know,

642
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: Northwestern has proven much in the way that Iowa has

643
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Speaker 1: proven it time times that I suppose you just don't

644
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: need an offense to win the game. Well, it's the same

645
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: team every year. I mean a lot of these teams are.

646
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Speaker 2: It's the same team every year, and that's I don't

647
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: mean that in a negative way. Also, the appeal is

648
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: I'm pretty much here, you're there, You're at Ranfield, right

649
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: Pat Fitzgerald has been at Northwestern sixteen.

650
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: Years now, which is incredible. I remember when he was.

651
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: Hired, and it feels year in and year out the

652
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: names change, but by and large when you watch it,

653
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: the home viewing experience is never really all that different.

654
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: They're led by defense. The offense isn't particularly explosive. They've

655
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: had moments where certainly they've had some interesting talent move

656
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: through Dan Persa by a local guid damn persona my Kafka,

657
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: but nonetheless it's it's sort of the same, yeah, year

658
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: in and year out. Now, with all that in mind,

659
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the schedule here. The schedule, it doesn't

660
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: have a lot of heavy hitters. But unlike a lot

661
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: of what we saw I think on the Eastern Side,

662
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: where outside of maybe one or two teams there was

663
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: sufficient buffer, you didn't really have a gauntlet that you

664
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: run through, Northwestern is gonna have to get its act

665
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: together early because once they get to like late October,

666
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: they've got a stretch there that's really going to test him.

667
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: Man, even Ohio's pretty good. So they have Ohio after

668
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: Duke and before they travel to Lincoln. You know, Ohio

669
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: has another roarc tie another one Nathan left Curtis is in.

670
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: I think they're both Canadian and they're brothers. It'd be

671
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: wild if we had two Roarks and they were both Canadian,

672
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: just unrelated and dominating for the Bobcats. It's kind of

673
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: the back end with the Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin. H

674
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough stretch. It's kind of an

675
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: unrelenting stretch. And they doesn't look like they have a

676
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: bye weekend. And then they finished with Purdue. Looks like

677
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: a wriggle in Illinois on the road. But those four games,

678
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Like, they could beat Michigan, they

679
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: could beat all of those teams, and they could go

680
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: one in three. Yeah, I don't know. Ryan Halensky has

681
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: to be I don't know. Does he have to be

682
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: the second or third best quarterback in the division to

683
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: feel good about Northwestern? Like I'm kind of worried about

684
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: Northwestern actually, to be honest, I love I love what

685
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: they look like up front. There's a lot of promise

686
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: at linebacker. The secondary should be in good shape. But

687
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: I just with what they look like two years ago,

688
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: with the depths to which they fell, and I know

689
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: they made a change of offensive coordinator. I just know

690
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: that a year like that, even if it's a half

691
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: year like that, is kind of around the corner. I

692
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: don't know. To win eight games, transfer quarterbacks don't.

693
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 2: Always hit either, that's maybe maybe less than a coin

694
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: flip probability.

695
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: If they could have the sixty seventh best offense in

696
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: the nation, that'd be huge. Well, they'll win nine games.

697
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: I have them at eight, same conversation as Iowa. Yeah,

698
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: I have them as a at eight and four.

699
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Vegas has Northwestern at six. Okay, so they feel

700
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: worse about Northwestern than you do. Yeah, I mean I

701
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: could see six on this on the schedule, I could

702
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: see it. I could see eight. Yeah, I mean the scene.

703
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: You know, who knows. The good news for these first

704
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: few teams is that Purdue, Nebraska, Illinois all play in

705
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: this division. So if these win totals seem a little

706
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: bit inflated, there's not a ton in the way of

707
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: non conference opponents like they're going to be padding win totals,

708
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: and the bottom of the Big Ten is still right

709
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: for the taking.

710
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Nebraska since you mentioned them place,

711
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: this is going to be a story to follow. I

712
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: think all throughout the season. It is year four for

713
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: Scott Frost in Lincoln. Thus far, the results have not

714
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: been there. No, they just haven't. And I think he's trying,

715
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: He's doing his best, but it's a tough place to

716
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: win three and five a year ago. They do bring

717
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 2: back seventeen guys this coming year, ten of which are

718
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 2: on defense. You know, from a numbers standpoint, last year,

719
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: I don't think it tells the full picture, to be honest,

720
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: they just they couldn't generate any big plays. There was

721
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: no pop in that offense, and that really ended up

722
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: coming back to bite him.

723
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: And the one guy who was most likely to it

724
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: seemed left and Dale Robinson. Yeahndell Robinson left at Kentucky.

725
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: The passing game in particular is something that really bit him,

726
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: and they just they weren't very efficient from a passing standpoint.

727
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: They weren't very efficient from a pass defense standpoint, and

728
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: teams were able to take advantage of that. So when

729
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 1: you look at their Nebraska's twenty twenty, it was nice

730
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: that the defense took a nice step forward. I used

731
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: the word nice twice because it was they showed a

732
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: little bit of playmaking ability before Ohio State ran away

733
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: with that opening week matchup, So I guess there's a

734
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: little bit of promise there. Luke McCaffrey's gone to me.

735
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: Luke McCaffrey was clearly not going to be a successful

736
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: quarterback for Nebraska. It just didn't work out, and so

737
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: he took off and he was sort of worked into

738
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: things with Adrian Martinez, who just at times seemed lost

739
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: at times made place, and we just from play to

740
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: play from serious series, didn't know who we would get.

741
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: It seemed like they gave away the Iowa game, they

742
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: lost a toss up to Northwestern, they stole one from

743
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: Penn State. I mean, that was just they hung on.

744
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: It was ugly whatever, however you want to characterize that game.

745
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: They came away with a w. They sort of alternated

746
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: between sloppy and ineffective and occasionally interesting on offense. I

747
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: guess they weren't awful upfront on defense, but they got

748
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: beat through the air just entirely too much. And that

749
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: was the story of Nebraska season. The appeal to the

750
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: Huskers right now is in a strange year, they lost

751
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: close a lot, So lose close before you win close,

752
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: is I guess a way of thinking about college football

753
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: improvement and team building. That's good.

754
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: You think that's not a thing that's good? Now sold,

755
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 2: thank you. I'm trying.

756
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: They have an experienced quarterback who has an interesting ceiling,

757
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: although we need him this year to hit it. Please.

758
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: Marquee step is the USC transfer running back, and he

759
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: has shown flashes. The problem is there's no obvious even

760
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: semi dudes on this offense. There are guys who like that.

761
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: You look at their their player page like six five,

762
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: two fifteen at receiver, is he going to be a

763
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: matchup problem? And then he can't stay on the field

764
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: or then he just just did you never hear from him?

765
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of receiver issue with all the

766
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: turnover there. I saw. I think it was receiver signed

767
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, eighteen and nineteen zero are still on

768
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: the roster. And so there's just like this rotating door

769
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: situation in Lincoln with Nebraska. But I guess if you're

770
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: gonna sort of synthesize it or whatever, reduce it down

771
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: to its core, it's promising defensive improvement against a group

772
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks within this division that isn't all that impressive.

773
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: The other problem for Scott Frost is that if he's

774
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: going to stay put, he's going to need an athletic

775
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 2: department of fan base that understands context. And I say

776
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: that looking at the schedule.

777
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, this is a brutal.

778
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: Schedule for where Scott Frost is at tenth hardest in

779
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: the country. They go to Oklahoma. They also have Ohio

780
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 2: State on the schedule. They go to Wisconsin. This is brutal.

781
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: This is brutal for a team like Nebraska, given where

782
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: they're at Oklahoma September eighteenth in Norman.

783
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a bloodbath. It's a bloodbath. I

784
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: think they should make a ball. I think they can

785
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: go six and six, seven and five. Is that good

786
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: enough to keep Scott Frost? Probably not. This is your

787
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: four or three and a half to say on how

788
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: you want to qualify twenty twenty, right, Yeah, I think

789
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: I've just heard from him and heard from people writing

790
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: or talking about Nebraska football, like you don't understand where

791
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: this program was when he arrived, Like, okay, but why

792
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: do people keep leaving? Why does why do certain elements

793
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: never improve? Why does the passing game week to week

794
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: look good for a quarter and a half and then

795
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: disappear for two and a half quarters. Why does that

796
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: happen every week? That's the problem is that a lot

797
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: of the problems persist, the continuity issues, the culture issues,

798
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: whatever it is, they persist. We're talking about Nebraska in

799
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: the same way every year. That's the problem that there's

800
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: nothing you can point to. I mean, the defense again,

801
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: they actually looked pretty decent at times last year, but

802
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: Scott Frost is an offensive dude who brought over dudes

803
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: from both his time at UCF and at Oregon. Matt

804
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: Lubick is I think is Lubick is running their offense.

805
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: He was a wide receivers coach at Oregon and ran

806
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: the offense at Oregon for a year. We're not seeing progress.

807
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: We're not seeing anything near progress from the Nebraska offense.

808
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: So that's why, like, at a certain point, context is great,

809
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: tough schedule Tier four well, cheer four. So well we'll see.

810
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I think getting to six wins is doable here, yeah,

811
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: but it won't be because Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Ohio State, probably Iowa.

812
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: Those are four losses right off the bat. You're not

813
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: giving yourself a whole lot of wiggle room with the

814
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: schedule like this. So I almost wonder if the zag

815
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: of Scott Frost trying to win with wide open speed

816
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily align with how the Big Ten West is

817
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: built and where the Big Ten West is, because what

818
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: are we talking about with Northwestern Iowa and Wisconsin. We're

819
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: talking about winning along the trenches and winning ugly, and

820
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: sure the quarterback play is not glamorous, and sure that

821
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: they're finding difficult to recruit interesting speed on offense, But

822
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: the developmental ability of those schools along the lines of

823
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: scrimmage and building these terrific defenses and having that be

824
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 2: a priority, I think it's easier to recruit to that.

825
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: Perhaps in the Big Ten West, which is now a

826
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: wide geographic swath in Minnesota, it could win with offensive speed.

827
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 2: So there are exceptions, but the cultural continuity of those

828
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: places with what's with what Scott Frost is trying to

829
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 2: do in Nebraska, it's not fully aligned.

830
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: Like I think, sometimes you need to figure out identity

831
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: in a more sensical way, and I don't know if

832
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: Nebraska is there, that's all We'll say. Let's go on

833
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: over to Purdue. Purdue is another team. Purdue.

834
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: I'm curious to get your take on which direction the

835
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: program is headed. Because it's year five. If you can

836
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: believe that under Jeff bram now and you.

837
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: Want to talk about bang for your buckdu is not

838
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: getting it.

839
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: I feel like we've been all over the map in

840
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: the first four years, let's say the first three years. Okay,

841
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: explain of the brom era at Purdue, because certainly in

842
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 2: the first two years of him taking over, this is

843
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: a team that played hard. They played really hard, and

844
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: it felt like he was starting to maybe build some momentum,

845
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: but then that was slowed in year three. Last year

846
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: kind of doesn't count for much of anything. And now

847
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: we enter this season where they've got a ridiculous schedule.

848
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: It's the fifth toughest schedule in the country. Yeah, and

849
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: so that's not going to do the many favors. They

850
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: bring back a ton of talent from a year ago.

851
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: But Purdue is kind of like Nebraska light in the

852
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: sense that everybody was very excited when they hired this coach,

853
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: and he's definitely gotten some things going in the right direction.

854
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: It just doesn't feel like it's all come together. Is

855
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: this another Scott Frost situation where he's going to fall

856
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: victim to an impossible schedule. The administration is going to

857
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: look at what he's done thus far and they're going

858
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: to decide to go a different direction.

859
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,479
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, Perdue has been to a bowl game.

860
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: And I know that because I was at Alcatraz with

861
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: the Purdue Boilermakers in twenty eighteen. I want to say, right,

862
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: is that when they ended up in the Farms Bowl

863
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: against Arizona. I believe it was so They've made a

864
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: bowl game, They've beaten Ohio State, They've I mean, had

865
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: a really fast, interesting offensive player get drafted in Rondell Moore.

866
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: There is something about Purdue that's more interesting than Nebraska

867
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: at this point. The problem is the depths to which

868
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: Purdue has fallen in certain ways is reminiscent of Nebraska.

869
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: To your point, now they get rid of Bob Diaco.

870
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: The defense looked actually really promising early on in the

871
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: bram Era. I think it was Nicolet he brought over

872
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: from Western Kentucky, who I just have such fond memories

873
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: of his defenses in the then Pac ten. I think

874
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: he allowed a non hail Mary deep pass to beat

875
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: a Washington defense of his. I think it was an

876
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: ASU game. It was very unique and rare in the

877
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: way a team could lose. So he's been gone for

878
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: a while. The defenses have been a struggle at Purdue

879
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: finding those players. I know that they're working the transfer market,

880
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, twenty twenty wasn't great. It's going to be

881
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: another year this year by the way of like will

882
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: it be Jack Plumber or will it be Aidan O'Connell.

883
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: The good news is they might have the best offensive

884
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: player in the conference in David Bell. He is a

885
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 1: legitimate dude in a conference devoid of wide receiver dudes.

886
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: They're both named Belle Chris Otman Bell and David Bell.

887
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: That's nice.

888
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: And Ronnie Bell. Don't forget about Ronnie Bell from Michigan.

889
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 2: I mean he's not in the division but in division

890
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: but in the conference.

891
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would take David Bell over Ronnie. Purdue

892
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: is just sinking. I don't know. I don't know how

893
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: to you know. I like the I think it's Brad Lambert,

894
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: who they hired at defensive coordinator, who's in a really

895
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: nice job with Marshall's defense. But I don't think it's

896
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: going to be a one year and all of a

897
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: sudden Purdue is good on that side of the ball,

898
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: So they weren't an especially interesting or explosive offense. Last year.

899
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: They had that win early against Iowa, which was great.

900
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: They're interesting upfront on defense, I guess, but I don't know.

901
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: The back sevens lacking. Once again, I think they're going

902
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: to get picked apart more often than not. So that

903
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: coupled with you mentioned the schedule, right, they're they're sort of, yeah,

904
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: reproducing the like two thousand Fiesta Bowl between Oregon State

905
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame. You didn't think I was gonna go there,

906
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: did you know? I didn't? But here we are. They

907
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 1: have the Beavers early and they're at Notre Dame week three.

908
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: They've got a stretch in October that's not going to

909
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: be fun. It's Minnesota bye week, at Iowa Wisconsin. They

910
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: finished with at Ohio State Northwestern Indiana. That's brutal. It's brutality,

911
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: so brutal and so brutal. I mean again, we're talking

912
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: about Jack Cone, uh Tanner Morgan, who's good, Spencer, Petris Grammar.

913
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: It's like you say those school names and it sounds daunting,

914
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: but if you if you replace the school names of

915
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: quarterback names, Ryan Halensky. Okay, we'll see what Michael Pennix's

916
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: health is like. It's not as daunting. The problem is

917
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: what what does Purdue have? I suppose beyond David Bell

918
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: where you're like, this is why they can hang, this

919
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: is why they can surprise people. It's not a long list.

920
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: It's not an obviously long list. Perhaps we're wrong, but

921
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: Purdue without relative strengths and that schedule, I think it's

922
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: going to be a long year. I think it's like

923
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: a three to nine type year. I do like Jack

924
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: Plummer a great deal. Okay, no relation to Jake.

925
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: No relation to Jake Right completed the exact same number

926
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: of passes last year as Aidan O'Connell.

927
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: Both had eighty eight. Okay, if you care about such things.

928
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: So I think a bowl game is asking a lot.

929
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: If we're going to talk about the tank, purduece tank

930
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: right now, and my middle brother went to Purdue. I

931
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: have a soft spot for Wes Lafayette. Got a giant drum.

932
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: I like to drink the rass, aid Tye, you know,

933
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: I do. I know, just it's hard to find it,

934
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: ty It's hard to solve that riddle. Let's go over

935
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: to Illinois final team the Big Ten West, Illinois. I

936
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: want to talk about Illinois. I have Illinois, thoughts il

937
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: Illinois made some ways. It went two and six last year.

938
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: They ended up getting rid of Lovey Smith and made

939
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: waves by bringing back Bert Rett Bielima. Brett Bieloma I

940
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: think hired pretty well. Yeah, I think a lot of

941
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: savvy hires along his assistant Pool. I didn't hate this

942
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: move as much.

943
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: As I did initially when I actually gave myself a

944
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: chance to think about it. First off, it's Illinois, and

945
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 2: you got to try stuff. And if you've got somebody

946
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: familiar with the Big Ten, familiar with the Big Ten West,

947
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: it's not the worst idea to bring that knowledge back.

948
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: Bert's been there before, He's run a successful program. Illinois

949
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: obviously has a ways to go. But I just I

950
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: kind of am drawn to the fact that he hired

951
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 2: really well. I feel like this could go a little

952
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 2: bit better than then we might expect. Is that fair?

953
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: Oh?

954
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

955
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: I mean so okay. Champagne is not an impossible place

956
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: to win games. Like we've seen Illinois pull up sets

957
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. What they meat Wisconsin. They've

958
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: made runs where they've gone to bowl games, not like

959
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: in this era of college football. This is not an

960
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: impossible place. I think largely it's still considered a basketball school.

961
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: But they hired. They had two bad hires in a

962
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: row essentially at this point, and you can't have it.

963
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,959
Speaker 1: Two bad hires is brutal. Brett Bielima, our guy. Burt

964
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 1: is a professional college football coach, a professional, big time

965
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: college football coach. Didn't work out at Arkansas, but they

966
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: won games. They were competitive at Arkansas in a very

967
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: very tough division, a tougher one than Illinois plays in.

968
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: Right now, there's a certain way to approach this job,

969
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: and it's developmental. It's making inroads in the state, in

970
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: the region, whatever where you're just like, you want high

971
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: school coaches to be enthusiastic about calling Illinois and saying,

972
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: I've got a guy. He's a little undersized, but he's

973
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: a gamer, he's a player. Instead of calling Northwestern, instead

974
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: of calling Iowa, instead of calling Wisconsin, instead of calling Nebraska, whatever. Well, like,

975
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: you have to build these recruiting relationships, and that's why

976
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: I think the savvy hires are really encouraging. I think

977
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: Brett Bielima understanding not the Big ten or the Big

978
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: ten lay of the land or whatever. But like this

979
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: is abc dne of how to run a successful Ish program. Now,

980
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: obviously Wisconsin on a certain level has run itself. There

981
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: is a culture at Wisconsin that is ultimately transcended who's

982
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: actually coaching the team. But Illinois very much needs the

983
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: abc DN E perhaps more than other schools in this division,

984
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: and so I think it's it's encouraging now they return

985
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: a time. They've got a bunch of super seniors, which

986
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 1: is I think a nice soft landing spot for Bert

987
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: more so than a bunch of the other programs in

988
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: the division, just because they've been pretty down and like

989
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: they're not going to win a bunch of games with

990
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: Brandon Peters probably a quarterback, but they return what they

991
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: return on both sides of the ball. You know, they're

992
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: not starting a bunch of freshmen or a bunch of

993
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: converted walk ons or whatever guys coming up a level

994
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: or something from an SCFCS team. So Illinois is going

995
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: to lose a bunch of games this year, but I

996
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: think there's going to be that situation where they lose

997
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: a sixteen thirteen game, they lose a thirty one twenty

998
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: nine game to a team that they should probably lose

999
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: by twenty just because there's probably going to be more

1000
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: buy in this year because of how this program is run.

1001
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: Like you heard stories about how Lovey Smith did or

1002
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: did not recruit or did or did not run the program.

1003
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: So I'm ready to believe that Illinois can take a

1004
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: first year step towards mediocrity. Ums Shi, I don't know.

1005
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: I just was going on and on, but I'm a

1006
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: believer here.

1007
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: Lovey actually left the offensive line in pretty good shape.

1008
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: The line for Illinois is not bad, and you could

1009
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 2: bet your bottom dollar that Brett Bielma is going to

1010
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 2: find a way to take care of that. Yeah, final

1011
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 2: way to take care of that position to the country.

1012
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: You can find those guys. You can find those guys there.

1013
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: But it all starts in the trenches. The fact that

1014
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 2: he's at least got a starting point. We know this

1015
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: is a guy who's turned out a ton of town

1016
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: all on that offensive line in his day. The fact

1017
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: that he's got that as a starting point sure for

1018
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: a system that we know he wants, we know what

1019
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: he's going to do. That's I think a decent enough

1020
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: starting point that they can work with and it helps

1021
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: that these guys have played together too trenches. Yeah, so

1022
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 2: it's not the worst situation. I think the appeal is obvious.

1023
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: It's a new coach starting over. The schedule is thirty

1024
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: four in the nation. It's backloaded, one hundred percent, very

1025
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: backloaded at Okay, so starting in October homecoming game against Wisconsin,

1026
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 2: a bye, then at Penn State, then Rutgers, then at

1027
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: Minnesota and another bye, then at Iowa and then Northwestern.

1028
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: So back half of that schedule is tough. Yep, that

1029
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: is tougher.

1030
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: That's okay. They'll take their lumps. If they finished four

1031
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: and eight, that's that's totally fine.

1032
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: I think you would take that. As long as you

1033
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: feel like there is forward progress here.

1034
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: I think you take that same page were I guess

1035
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: that does it for the Big ten West? Have we

1036
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: hit it? Does it for the Big ten West? Okay,

1037
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: So I think in terms of who's coming out, man,

1038
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: So both Iowa and Wisconsin have a marquee non conference

1039
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: opponent that will not affect their division wreck but still

1040
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: it's going to sort of affect how we view their seasons.

1041
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: The Iowa Wisconsin game, I'm pulling it up right, now

1042
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: is that Wisconsin. Yeah, I think I'm just gonna go Badgers.

1043
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: Then that's what it's down to for me. I'm gonna go.

1044
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go be Agers. Yeah. Now the X Game

1045
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: is in Minnesota because I'm also high on the Gophers.

1046
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think the best of Minnesota on offense,

1047
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: the realistic best, coupled with that defense, I'm gonna go with.

1048
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Wisconsin to win the division. Do

1049
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: you agree? Disagree?

1050
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 2: I think I agree with you. I think we can

1051
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: trust Wisconsin a little bit more. I do feel like

1052
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: there were elements of last season that we can't read

1053
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: too much into.

1054
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're a flawed team.

1055
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: I still really trust this team, but I do have

1056
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: the same questions about the rushing attack. Yeah, if they

1057
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: don't have the rushing attack going, that's that's a problem. Yeah,

1058
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: you want to talk let's talk Mac real quick. So

1059
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: on the last show, we did the West mistakenly, on

1060
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: this show, we're going to do the Mac East. Yeah,

1061
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: let's talk through the bowling Green Falcons. Dan, No, you

1062
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: don't want to talk about Scott Leffler especially, No Scott Leffler.

1063
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: No, they're just really bad and it was a bad

1064
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,959
Speaker 1: year for I mean them, I mean to get COVID.

1065
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: It's a bad year to try to improve during the

1066
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: COVID twenty twenty.

1067
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it was a bad year. It's tough

1068
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 2: to find a whole lot of reasons to be super optimistic.

1069
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 2: We don't really have too much affinity for Scott Leffler

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Speaker 2: on the show.

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Speaker 1: We never have. No. I don't think he was an

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00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: especially good coordinator for a number of teams last year.

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00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: This they played five games. They lost thirty eight to three,

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00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: sixty two to twenty four, forty two to seventeen, forty

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00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: one to ten, thirty one to three. They have a

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01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: couple of interesting pieces on this team. There's not that

1077
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: much interesting to talk about Bowling Green right now. There

1078
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: just isn't.

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Speaker 2: What about my zips? You see the hashtag go zips

1080
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: at the bottom. I see it now in the video

1081
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 2: if you're watching. Yeah, And I don't have a lot

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01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: with Akron.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're very bad, Like we can just

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01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: kind of I feel bad because like we should talk

1085
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: about as much as we can with the MAC.

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01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: But there's just Akron's bad. Akron beat Bowling Green. Okay

1087
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: to end, their own twenty one game losing streak.

1088
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: They've got a good running back. I rewatched some Macron football.

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01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: It was tough. I like their back. That's it.

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01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: They're likely win on here is against a team named Bryant.

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01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Bill C's numbers. Okay, Bill gives them

1092
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: a ninety five percent win probability against Bryant. But otherwise

1093
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: nothing is given. Everything is at least a toss up,

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01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: if not worse.

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01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's it's te.

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Speaker 2: On and wait, Achron plays both Auburn and Ohio State, correct, Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 2: how about Kent State?

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01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: You want to talk about Kent State? I would love

1099
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,959
Speaker 1: to talk Kent State. Talk to Cron offense. They should

1100
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: score a bunch of points on a bunch of teams

1101
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: within the mac I think Dustin Crumb is a really

1102
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: fun quarterback, running a you know, a high octane system.

1103
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: They don't have much in the way of a promising defense,

1104
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: and so they're gonna play a bunch of forty eight

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01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: forty three games, don't There's a chance they win a

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01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: to them, but I don't think they're gonna win many

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01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: more than eight. Miami Ohio the RedHawks.

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01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if we got anything out of Miami,

1109
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: Ohio last year, like.

1110
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: We got to three games. We don't really learn much

1111
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: from that. They lost decisively to Buffalo, and they beat

1112
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: eventual champion Ball State and Akron comfortably. They couldn't do

1113
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: much successfully, but they won those games. I don't have

1114
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: much to say about Miami.

1115
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm sorry the Ohio Bobcats. Frank Solich stepped down Dan

1116
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 2: Gone a couple of weeks ago. Long time offensive coordinator

1117
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 2: steps in. They've got another Rourke. They've got Armani Rogers

1118
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 2: from UNLV to run select packages.

1119
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: Defense needs to improve from where they were last year.

1120
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: But no, they've got a really impressive backfield Demntre Tuggle

1121
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: and Curtis Rourke. That's Curtis with the K the K.

1122
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: I am high on Ohio right now. Seven and five

1123
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Speaker 1: is their projected record. Yeah, who do they have? Early?

1124
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 2: Early, They've got Syracuse to Caine. They go to Louisiana,

1125
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: which won't be easy. Now to Northwestern won't be easy,

1126
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: and then they get to the meat of their mac

1127
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 2: calendar here I think Central Michigan, Buffalo, Kent State.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they're on the road against Buffalo, so that's

1129
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: mo linguist took that job once Lance Leopold left for

1130
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: the Kansas job. So at Buffalo is going to be tough,

1131
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: At Akrons fine, that Louisiana at Northwestern is going to

1132
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: be tough. At Eastern will be fine, Apple and Green

1133
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: will be more than fine. I think Ohio's in a

1134
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: really nice position. If that defense can improve and they

1135
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: return a bunch, they can win this conference. All right,

1136
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: I am pro Bobcat. You know that.

1137
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: Yep, lance Leipold has left for Kansas, which I think

1138
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 2: was a coup for Kansas if I'm being honest. I

1139
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: don't know how long it'll take to build that program up.

1140
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 2: But this is a guy who has really accomplished a lot. Yeah,

1141
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: so I'm excited for him. I'm very curious to see

1142
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: what he can do in that situation. But in the

1143
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 2: wake of that, there is a new coach. Has just

1144
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: said at Buffalo and dumb projected record here is eight

1145
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 2: and four going into the season.

1146
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're in good shape. They're in good

1147
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: shape along the trenches. Even with Jared Patterson gone, with

1148
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,959
Speaker 1: his like five six hundred yard games that he had,

1149
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: I think Buffalo is in good shape. They've recruited well enough.

1150
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: They should be good on there. They play angry on defense,

1151
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: they develop guys on offense. Who do they have? Non conference?

1152
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: They play Coastal, they play that'll actually be a really

1153
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: interesting game, super interesting game. Right, they play Nebraska.

1154
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 2: I think they also play Old Dominion in Wagner Ricky Ronnie.

1155
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got Western at home, They've got Ohio at home. Yeah,

1156
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: it's a tricky schedule. They finished foot ball state. I

1157
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: think I'm high on Buffalo once again. Now the transition,

1158
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,919
Speaker 1: you know, having those both Ohio and Buffalo making those

1159
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: transitions pretty close to fall camp. That's tough. That's tricky,

1160
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: but I mean the staff is otherwise in place, so

1161
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. I'm high on the Bulls. Is

1162
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: there anybody that wh cover? I think we hit all six?

1163
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: Did we hit all six? Hit all six? Yeah? I

1164
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: out of the MAC. I'm gonna take Ohio on the

1165
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: uh the east side, And I'm who did I go

1166
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: with Western? We both went Western. I think we both

1167
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: took Western. So we have Western Michigan and Ohio. I

1168
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: will take Western Michigan to win the MAC this year.

1169
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: How about that? Gotta stick with our boy at quarterback,

1170
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: Caleb Allabie. Yeah, by the way, the roster of Mac quarterbacks,

1171
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: we said this going in really fun. Caleb Allibie, Dustin Crumb,

1172
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: Drew Plitt. Who do we mention today that I'm just

1173
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: now blank on Curtis Rourke. I think it's gonna be

1174
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: really good. They only played three games last year. But

1175
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: he throws a nice ball, spins it, Tie could really

1176
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: spin it. Yeah, yeah, No, I like the roster. We

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01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: could have Jacob Sermon at Central Michigan. So an impressive

1178
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: list of quarterbacks. I think this has been fun. Mm hmm.

1179
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 2: We knocked out a bunch of teams here, we knocked

1180
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: out We did all the Big Ten All the Mac

1181
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,959
Speaker 2: on Wednesday and Friday of this week. If you didn't

1182
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: get a chance to check out the Big Ten each

1183
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 2: show that we did back on Wednesday, go and check

1184
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: that out. You can also find the video out on

1185
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,959
Speaker 2: the Patreon it for bollerstock h One. More information again,

1186
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 2: just go to for Bowlers dot com. As I said

1187
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: at the top, I know a lot of folks are

1188
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 2: into the mugs, into the pine classes. While supplies last,

1189
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 2: that premium drink wear is still something you can get.

1190
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: But we are running drinkware. We are running low. It

1191
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: is running low. Yeah. So if you if you've seen

1192
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: the pictures of the Pine Class all I mean, I

1193
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: was going to show it to people on video, but

1194
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: they're already subscribers if they're watching the video. The Pine

1195
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,479
Speaker 1: Classes are terrific. The mugs are terrific. There's a good

1196
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: size and hef to the mugs like you. That was

1197
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: my often. That was totally you.

1198
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 2: That was my thing. You need a good solid like

1199
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 2: diner mug. Yeah, kind of a cream color off white.

1200
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: I love them.

1201
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 2: Well, this has been fun, Dan, We've got SEC coming

1202
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 2: up next week. We're gonna do Big twelve and then

1203
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 2: Pack twelve. After that, we're going to continue on this Monday,

1204
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: Wednesday Friday cadence all throughout the rest of the college

1205
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: football season. So buckalok, you're gonna be stuck with us.

1206
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 2: We came up with our cool new concept for the

1207
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 2: Friday show to replace the UFO Show, which is one

1208
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 2: of the more creative endeavors that we've done in a

1209
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 2: long time, which I'm super thrilled about.

1210
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good one. Yeah, a lot of

1211
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: excitement to come here. Love it.

1212
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 2: On that note, for that guy over there, my good

1213
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 2: friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hildebrand, thank you so

1214
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: much for bearing with us, for talking all things Big

1215
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 2: ten and Mac with us.

1216
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: We will be back next week.

1217
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 2: In the meantime, enjoy your weekend, Stay safe, stay happy,

1218
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 2: keep going with the stays.

1219
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: I know you're trying to get there. Stay solid. Peace,