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Speaker 1: We are back one Bill five presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 1: Back at the NFL Scouting Combine. That's a cough today,

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Speaker 1: Now to sneaks for the final day this week. Week's

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Speaker 1: starting to wear on us, murch a little bit. Hey,

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Speaker 1: By the time we get home late tonight, didn't look bad.

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Speaker 1: in the seventh, those five guys, the two six fifth

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Speaker 1: rounders and the three sixth rounders, they may not make

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Speaker 1: the team anyway. So are you really not all of them? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Or are you really feel like you can't trade all

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Speaker 1: the bundle all five of those kids? And you can,

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Speaker 1: but what are you gonna get for it? You move

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Speaker 1: up to it from twenty two to ten? I don't

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Speaker 1: think you'd be able, that's the question. That's the question.

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Speaker 1: Is there somebody like that? If say this guy Judy

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Speaker 1: from Alabama who we had Matt Bowen on yesterday and

436
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Speaker 1: he looked at us, both of us, and we asked

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Speaker 1: him about this really deep white receiver class of the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty draft, and he goes, let me just tell

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Speaker 1: you something. There's this judy kid, and then there's everybody

440
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Speaker 1: else that's not going to get it with him. Him.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked by that. Shocked. If the Bill's got

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Speaker 1: a chance at him, well that's just it. And then

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Speaker 1: there's five quarterbacks in the first round, and all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, the offensive tackles and the and the edge

445
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Speaker 1: rushers and the corners and the elite wide receivers all

446
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Speaker 1: start dropping dropping, dropping, and you get within five picks

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Speaker 1: of the Bills, and maybe you do have a shot

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Speaker 1: at one of those guys, the elite offensive tackle or

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Speaker 1: the best receiver you think is on the board left,

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Speaker 1: and you can bundle four picks in the back of

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Speaker 1: the round and the number one pick at twenty two

452
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Speaker 1: and jump up four spaces and then you do get

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Speaker 1: that guy. That could possibly happen. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe there'll be five quarterbacks in the first round.

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Speaker 1: Four Maybe there's people who I know and I'll see

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Speaker 1: take another phone call here, let's go to Christopher in Texas.

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Speaker 1: Where about in Texas? Are you Christopher? Hey, how are

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Speaker 1: you doing job. I'm here in Kaleen sexist hood Kaleen.

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Speaker 1: What's that by Euston? No? No, actually is closer to

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Speaker 1: authors Austin. Okay, I Ben Austin, what do you got, Christopher?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Well? I think John, I think we should

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Speaker 1: stay where we are. And here's why. Because there's so

463
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Speaker 1: many good receivers in the draft. I think we should

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Speaker 1: stay where we are. I'd be surprised if they move

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Speaker 1: up because, like I said, there's so many good receivers

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Speaker 1: in the draft. I think we should go ahead, stay

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Speaker 1: where we are, get our defensive player or our edge guy,

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Speaker 1: you know, a great edge guy, because we can get

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Speaker 1: a great edge at twenty two. And then I was

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Speaker 1: looking yesterday at this guy named Chase Pool. Chase Pool

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Speaker 1: is big body receiver and he looks looks solid to me.

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Speaker 1: I think we could pick him up probably in the

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Speaker 1: chase back into the first round, or get him in

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Speaker 1: the second round. Chase Claypool notre name. That's your referring

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Speaker 1: to Chase Claypool. Hey, that's exactly sir. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about him for a second. And we talked

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Speaker 1: about him yesterday with um, can't you remember who it

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Speaker 1: was one of our guests yesterday Matt Bowen talked about

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Speaker 1: Chase Claypool. No, it was I know, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: him today with Yeah, Jim Nagi. Chase Claypool had a

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Speaker 1: good combine, came out and put on nine pounds in

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Speaker 1: the months since the combine, and it's good weight and

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Speaker 1: the latest numbers they have it on him six four,

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Speaker 1: two hundred thirty pounds. Chase Claypool wide receiver, Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: But that's not what's most impressive. You saw him run.

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Speaker 1: We saw him run last night. He saw him running

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Speaker 1: four four two at two hundred and thirty eight pounds.

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Speaker 1: That's sixty four. He's big and he did that and

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Speaker 1: that's the only forty time that I thought, Wow that

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Speaker 1: that kid just made a ton of money. You know.

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Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs end and pressure. We're going for two seven.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about him. But Chase Claypool, let's gift to

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Speaker 1: him for a moment. We're gonna talk about rotor Dame.

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Speaker 1: He's Notre Dame kid. I mean, look, a big receiver

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Speaker 1: is kind of exactly what the Bills are looking for.

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Speaker 1: And the caller is right. The caller from Tech this

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Speaker 1: is right. You might get Chase Claypool down a round

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Speaker 1: him too, yeah, back back into the first round. You

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Speaker 1: might be able to get him there. Although if he

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Speaker 1: keeps doing what he did yesterday, he'll be gone. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's one of those he can might be one of

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Speaker 1: those guys like DK Metcalf who goes from whoever DK

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Speaker 1: Metcalf used to be to DK Metcalf in the you know,

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Speaker 1: in the three days of the Combine, he exploded onto

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Speaker 1: everybody's consciousness and now he's an NFL player, and you

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Speaker 1: know he went from being and also ran to a star.

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Speaker 1: That's what this Claypool kid might do. A four four

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Speaker 1: two a two hundred and thirty eight pounds. I was

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Speaker 1: just talking about Calvin Johnson. Those two, this guy, uh,

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Speaker 1: Chase Claypool from Notre Dame and Calvin Johnson are the

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Speaker 1: only guys who have ever at six four, two hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty pounds and and Calvin Johnson was bigger, but

513
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Speaker 1: they're the two biggest guys to ever run that fast.

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Speaker 1: It's a list of it's a list of two. That's

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Speaker 1: how fast and how amazing that forty time was that

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Speaker 1: big guy and he was two thirty going to the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl a month ago. Now he's two thirty eight,

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Speaker 1: two thirty nine, and we'll hear what Jim Nagy says

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Speaker 1: about him later on the show. We talked to Jim

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Speaker 1: Naggy yesterday. He will talk about Chase Claypool and how

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Speaker 1: impressive some people came into the offseason here the draft

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Speaker 1: period thinking Chase Claypool might go with the tight ends.

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Speaker 1: That's how big he is. He's gonna stay with the

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Speaker 1: receivers now because he's that big and that impressive in

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Speaker 1: that fast right the four four time Chase Claypool notre name.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take a break. We'll get more

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Speaker 1: into this discussion and look at more of your tweets

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Speaker 1: and read him from the tweet sheet. Plenty of phone calls.

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Speaker 1: Time to take phone calls. Eight oh three oh five

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Speaker 1: fifty toll free from outside Buffalo one eight eight eight

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Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty Steve Tasker, John Murphy from Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: It's one Bill's Live, presented by KLATA Health from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It's one Bill's Live coming to you. From

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Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. John Murphy and Steve Tasker

536
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Speaker 1: got a good show. Some great guests lined up. I

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Speaker 1: think one of them may have gone by a minute ago.

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, Now, he's not a guest. What he he

539
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Speaker 1: gave you the heisman. Yeah, he's a good guest. He

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Speaker 1: has a regular job. He's got a job. They've got it.

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Speaker 1: So he's he's gonna try to be on his list.

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Speaker 1: But I think we're kind of far to be. I

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Speaker 1: came down here. This was this is three weeks old.

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Speaker 1: The NFL dot com article written by Bucket Brooks. I'm

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Speaker 1: an NFL revolution at quarterback and he cites Josh. He's

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Speaker 1: not the main guy. He's talking about Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 1: I told Bucky Tuesday when we got down here, I

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Speaker 1: saw him. I said, we need to get you on

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Speaker 1: the show. I want to talk more about that. It's

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Speaker 1: a great article, it's a great art. It's a great analogy.

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Speaker 1: He gives it as well. Yeah, shooters and uh, because

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks now are not shooters the scorers. Yeah, and you

553
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Speaker 1: see that the variety of plays that these guys are

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Speaker 1: demanded to make by the circumstances they're in, or the

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Speaker 1: play call to the offense they're in, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: no longer. I mean, you don't use this anymore. But

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Speaker 1: I've been talking to a lot of people this week.

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Speaker 1: You don't have this thing that says like the prod

559
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Speaker 1: remember the finger quotes, the prototypical quarterback NFL quarterback, the

560
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Speaker 1: Peyton Mannings of the world and the Philip Rivers of

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Speaker 1: the world, Eli Manning's the word, even that Jim Kelly's

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Speaker 1: or Dan Marino, those guys don't exist. Like Matt Ryan.

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Speaker 1: He seems outdated. And he's one of those guys. You

564
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Speaker 1: gotta have a guy like Russell Wilson, like Lamar Jackson,

565
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Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen Mayfield. You know, these guys gotta

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Speaker 1: get out and run. They gotta break contain in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Matt Bowen yesterday was talking about

568
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Speaker 1: a similar thing, right Bowen with his idea for new

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Speaker 1: combine workouts to test those skills. I think Matt Bowen

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Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks are more alike on that topic than

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Speaker 1: they're apart. And we hope to get Bucky Brooks. We

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Speaker 1: got a chance. What did he say. He walked by.

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Speaker 1: He said, I know Jay Harris, our producer. What do

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Speaker 1: you say, Jay introducing introducing Jay Harry He said, don't

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Speaker 1: ever call me again. Basically, Yeah, he was pretty upset.

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Speaker 1: He said, you call me three times and text me

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Speaker 1: sixteen times. What he's saying? Oh? He he said he

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Speaker 1: has job. Yeah, which and he said he would get

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Speaker 1: back to me. He said if he had time, he would. Good.

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Speaker 1: That's good at but he I could tell by his

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Speaker 1: by language he was serious. He's gonna try. Oh, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna try. He doesn't want it. Did you get that?

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Speaker 1: I'm really hard at reading body lane? Now it was good. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we got a chance. We gotta take some phone calls

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Speaker 1: on our topic of the day. We got great cosl

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Speaker 1: coming up at one o'clock, Kim Jones at two and

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Speaker 1: one thirty. We're gonna talk with Jim Nagi, the executive

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Speaker 1: director of the Reese's Senior Bowl. But we still have

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Speaker 1: We talked about Chase Claypool last night. We still didn't

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Speaker 1: get to in depth thoughts on the wide receiver Corps,

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Speaker 1: which we both saw during the workouts last night. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you watch it on TV. Um Te Higgins didn't do anything.

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Speaker 1: I was disappointed. I walked in as I said, heard

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Speaker 1: two Higgins will not be for chritipinting. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: turn around. It was stupid. Henry Rugs. We talked about

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Speaker 1: his four two seven forty yard dash. Here's a well.

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Speaker 1: Two observations Steve the group. There two groups receivers and

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Speaker 1: each one they were right in front of us. Producer

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Speaker 1: Jay Harrison and I were standing there by the broad

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Speaker 1: jump thing and the one you know, and they're in

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Speaker 1: the shorts and T shirts. First observation I have is

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Speaker 1: these guys are huge, and then I thought, you're comparing

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Speaker 1: him to the Buffalo Bill's receivers. We had a lot

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Speaker 1: of small guys at in the receiving court. That was

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Speaker 1: one thing. They're all different sizes. Henry Ruggs fast as

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Speaker 1: he is a little bit slight up top, I don't

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Speaker 1: you know. And we talked the other day about going

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Speaker 1: to get the ball and fighting through traffic. I would

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Speaker 1: worry about that with Henry Ruggs. He can fly, he's

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Speaker 1: a speed story ran four two seven. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he's an answer there, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: he's slight up top. Yeah, I think you need a

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Speaker 1: guy who is a white not a not a speed

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Speaker 1: You need a guy who is a wide receiver. You

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Speaker 1: don't need a guy who's fast. You don't need a

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Speaker 1: guy who, whatever you say about it, who's huge. You

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Speaker 1: need a guy who is a complete wide receiver who

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Speaker 1: can go down, run the fifteen yard, come back the

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Speaker 1: fifteen yard, in round the dig route. He's got to

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Speaker 1: have the route running ability to get some separation, big

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Speaker 1: time separation. And you can go over the top of

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Speaker 1: you want. But you got John Brown already on your squad,

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Speaker 1: and you got Robert Foster, you got some speed guys

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Speaker 1: out of Isaiah McKenzie. I'm not saying all those guys

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Speaker 1: are going to be part of the mix, but you

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Speaker 1: need a guy who can do it all. And if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get a guy in the first round of

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, he better do all that. I don't

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Speaker 1: care if he runs a four two forty or four

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Speaker 1: four forty. He's got to do all of that. That's

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Speaker 1: got to be part of what defines him. He can't

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Speaker 1: just be a speed guy. Another observation, I want to

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Speaker 1: get your take on this Ceedee Lamb sideline catch spectacular right,

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Speaker 1: and there only drills. It's only a drill at the sideline,

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Speaker 1: but he made a spectacular catch along the sideline. I

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Speaker 1: think he was really impressive. He is six two one

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Speaker 1: eighty nine Oklahoma wide receiver Ceedee Lamb. I thought he

638
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Speaker 1: was a standout last night. Yeah, and part of the

639
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Speaker 1: things they did sideline catches and also those red zone catches.

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Speaker 1: There are a couple of guys that impressed me with

641
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Speaker 1: that as well. You know, it's a lot different when

642
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: you got to Davious White hanging on now. I mean

643
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: it's hard and it's and it's great when you're, like

644
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: you said, in bike shorts and T shirts. You know. So,

645
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: but they they've got the athleticism to do it. They've

646
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: got there's some guys out there, and I'll tell you

647
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: the thing that you get it's amazing too because when

648
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: it really does help having twenty five of them in

649
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: a row, because you get a look at guys. You

650
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: can tell there's a guy here and he kind of

651
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: he's kind of fighting the ball. Yeah, you know, and

652
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: some of these guys they catch the ball like it's

653
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: just like an afterthought. It's like I got, you know,

654
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: give me the ball. You know, they snap it with

655
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: one hand and they just turn around like catching it

656
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: is nothing to them, and that's kind of to me

657
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: where you want to be. And you got some guys

658
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: that you know they're they have some different attributes, but

659
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: you can really tell which guys stand out and which

660
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: skills set each of them has and why they're here

661
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: at the combine. They've got some things that they do

662
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: really well, and whatever it is they don't do well,

663
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: you know they're trying to identify that too. But when

664
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Speaker 1: you show them up side by side, the skill sets

665
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: become apparent. I know you were bored. I was a

666
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: bit bored, but but don't overstate that. You know, here's

667
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: the thing. You walk in it's quiet. Te Higgins isn't

668
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: doing anything, and I was like, oh, come on and

669
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: you sit down, you get settled, said hide a few people,

670
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: Jay and I said, I had Alex van Pel a

671
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: couple other people. And then you start to think, for

672
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: these guys on the field, this is the most important

673
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: day of their career, maybe their life. This is big

674
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: for them. I had. Yeah, I had a conversation with

675
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: Heath Farwell, the Bills Social Teams coordinator, out in the

676
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: hallway and there he was going down to specialists are

677
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: getting tested this morning, and and we had that conversation

678
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: about you know how, and he goes, listen to scouts

679
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: are on the edge of their seats, all the scouts

680
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: in that. He goes, this is a playoff game. For them,

681
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: they are absolutely a buzz. He goes, It's unbelievable. He's

682
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: just boring for us because we you know, just give

683
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: me the tape. But for these scouts, they are they're

684
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: salivating at these events. And then for these players. And

685
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: I was never at the combine. I was a guy

686
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: who the scouts would come into Northwestern University where I was.

687
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: They would come in and random and say, hey, day

688
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: after tomorrow, the Seahawk are gonna be here. Be ready,

689
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: you know. And it was then on Tuesday, Hey, by

690
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: the way, on Tuesday, the Broncos are coming in, So

691
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: you kind of had to be ready like that. And

692
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how keyed up you get for

693
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: each of those and and for an event like this,

694
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure some of these guys can't even sleep because

695
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: this occurred to me last night. When you fight through

696
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: the boardom a little bit, it's it's not football, but

697
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: it is a competition. These guys are competing, and there's

698
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: a certain you know, we'll talk with Kim Jones about

699
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: this later in the show. She was on the field

700
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: last night, she'll be there again today. There's interaction among players.

701
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: They're cheering each other on. Some guys are but it's

702
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: a real competition. It's like, I'm gonna do better than you,

703
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: and you and you, and it's forty our dash or

704
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: this drill right here, broad jump, I'm gonna jump farther

705
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: than you and you and you. That's right, and and

706
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: all they all are. And we've had, you know, people

707
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: chime in and and and if a guy doesn't perform,

708
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: well you'll have guys saying yeah, but you know what though,

709
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: this guy is a competitor. He is a he's a

710
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: dog in a fight. You know, he was a so

711
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: they've got you know. So it's all that stuff that

712
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: you know, you can say all you want, some of

713
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: the stuff they don't test for here, right and it's

714
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: the proverbial. This guy is gonna be a ten times

715
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: better player than he is today in two years. And

716
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: this guy right here is gonna be this guy in

717
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: five years. He's gonna be the same guy he's never

718
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: gonna get any better. You don't know that. You don't

719
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: know which guys are gonna be those guys you can

720
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: and for whatever he's become, an Tonio Brown was kind

721
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: of one of those guys. So he was a guy

722
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: came in the fifth round for the Pittsburgh Steelers and

723
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Speaker 1: turns into maybe the best guy in the league as

724
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: a fifth rounder. There are guys like that out there,

725
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: and to me, that's kind of the holy grail is

726
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: getting a guy who will outperform his drafts. All right,

727
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Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break, and we think we got

728
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Speaker 1: Bucky Burke's coming up next when we return, So come

729
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: on back with us. One Bills presented by a collid

730
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Speaker 1: of health from the NFL Combine. And indeed this is

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's read on the back one Bills lide from

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00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine. We've been trying to get this

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Speaker 1: guy on all week and you know I mean is

734
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: a former Buffalo Bill second round pick of the Bills

735
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Speaker 1: in ninety four, played wide receiver, defensive back kick returning

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Now an analyst for NFL dot Com in

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00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: the NFL Network. Bucky Brooks Our gifts thank you, thanks

738
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Speaker 1: for having me on. It's always good to be good

739
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: to see it. And let me apologize once again for

740
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: our producer. He's been dogging you all week, you know,

741
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: wide receiver group out there. Yesterday, Steve's complaining about how

742
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: boring it was, and I'm inclined to agree. But what

743
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: did you see who stood out for you last night?

744
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: You know it's funny because man, we put them in

745
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: an ever situation, because asking these guys to run around

746
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: and catch balls at nine, ten, ten, third at night

747
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: is not ideal. But look, the notable suspects kind of

748
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: stood out. So the guys at the top of the board,

749
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, uh Ceedee Lamb, they stand out for different reasons.

750
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, to me, is the best route runner that

751
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: we've seen is sometime. He has all the things that

752
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: you look for from a polished playmaker. When you watch

753
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: his skill set. He can play split in, he can

754
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: play flanker, he can go in the slot. He's very

755
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: very unique and advanced and how he plays the game.

756
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: And then in Ceedee Lamb Ceedee Lamb is just one

757
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: of those guys, hey, man, just get the ball to him, like,

758
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: figure out a way to put the ball in his

759
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: hands because what he does with the ball in his

760
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: hands is special. And so when you look at the

761
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: top of the boards, it really comes down to what

762
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: kind of number one receiver do I want? Do I

763
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: want the polished receiver that has played for a long

764
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: time in the league, or do I want the guy

765
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: that's a little more dynamic that can give me that

766
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: sizzle when we look for it right? And that's it's

767
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: an interesting choice because he can talk about a guy

768
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: a team like where Buffalo sits, where they've got a

769
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: quarterback who needs all the weapons he can need the

770
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: guys to be as good as they can be around him.

771
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: They need big catch radiuses. Balls aren't ord's gonna be

772
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: right pinpoint accuracy. And then but then you also you

773
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: struggle to score points, so you might need the guy

774
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: who can who can snap one off when you don't

775
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: expect it. Yeah, it's it's it's funny. So in between

776
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: the two you talk about the catch radius. Uh ceedee.

777
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: Lamb is kind of like a DeAndre Hopkins plus meaning

778
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins the way that you see him, He's always contested,

779
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: but he makes these remarkable one handed catches. But the

780
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: difference is Ceedee Lamb has the ability. You throw him

781
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: to slam, you throw him to bubble screen, you get

782
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: it to him in the open field, and he can

783
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: make people missing. He's a tough dude. Said, you know this, like,

784
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: we've all been around guys that were punt returners that

785
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: have played wide receiver. There's something about a guy that

786
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: returns punts and has some open fiel ability. Ideally, you

787
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: like those guys because when it comes to the rack,

788
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: the run after catch, they're comfortable working in traffic. Ceedee

789
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: Lamb can do some of those things that help us

790
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: sort this out. We had a Twitter poll on this

791
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: show two days ago. I think, assuming the Bills are

792
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: gonna get a wide receiver, what's the most important characteristic?

793
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: Now at the outset, let me say you want a

794
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: receiver you can do all of this, But is it

795
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: you know, having good hands, is its speed? Is it size? Length?

796
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: You mentioned route running ability when you talked about Jerry Judy.

797
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: Should we put that as in the option. It's funny

798
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: because you actually have to look at your receiver courts

799
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: in total and you want to kind of build it

800
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: like a basketball team. So ideally you'd like to have

801
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: a big guy that can do the post up work

802
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: in the red zone. You'd like to have a burner

803
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: who can take the top off the defense. We've seen

804
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: what John Brown is that can do. You like to

805
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: have someone that can specialize in doing all the slot

806
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: work because that's a unique skill set everyone doesn't have.

807
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: And then you just like to have a guy that

808
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: can do everything and he's kind of the anchor of

809
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: the passing game. So as you evaluate the Bills passing game,

810
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: you have to figure out, Okay, who's our number one.

811
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley does all the slot stuff. Depending on what

812
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: happens with John Brown, he can take the top off.

813
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: So it's just a matter of and that it looks

814
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: like I need the most polished guy, the guy that

815
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: can kind of anchor the passing game that we can

816
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: kind of build a you know, I mean there there

817
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: there are a couple of guys that can kind of

818
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: play the number one role. Judy and Ceedee Lamb can

819
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: certainly play that role. Um when you go a little

820
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: down the list, Te Higgins can do some things that

821
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: you like because he's a big body. But this draft

822
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: is so unique because there's so many wide receivers if

823
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: I'm Buffalo man, I may throw darts and take two

824
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: like I may, I may, I may take two and

825
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: just take my chance. Because the depth of this draft,

826
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: like take one sometime in day two. If you don't

827
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: take one in day one and they come back in

828
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: the top of day three in the fourth round, there's

829
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy that can start for you. I mean,

830
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: we saw Denzel Mims. Denzel Mims, it's kind of been

831
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: off the radar. He runs the fourth three now and

832
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: then everyone is like, oh, let me go back and

833
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: look at what he did in the Big twelve and

834
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: what you see in the Big twelve he was a

835
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: dominant number one receiver well and also a guy that

836
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: jumped off from me we were talking about him earlier

837
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: was Claypool. Chase Claypool. I mean, there's a guy that's

838
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: huge and for this draft and then he snaps off

839
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: a four four two and it's like whoa, I know,

840
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: Like there's so many guys that are like that. So

841
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: you have Claypool, you have Antonio Gandy, Golden Um, you

842
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: have these. I mean, I don't know what happened, Like

843
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: Steve when we were playing, I don't know where all

844
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: these big guys came and started playing like those guys

845
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: used to be tight ends. And these guys are playing

846
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: wide out there, six levels. They want the ball. Yeah,

847
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: and so now you have these big guys that create

848
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: mismatches on the outside. And it's funny because everyone gets

849
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Speaker 1: enamored with the speed. But we did the thing at

850
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Speaker 1: NFL dot com where we track of the top ten

851
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: guys in receptions last year average size six to two

852
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: h eight four five five forty time, right, and then

853
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: when it came to receiving yards, you think, oh, well

854
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: that's where four or five three's to forty times. So

855
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Speaker 1: as much as we get excited about the track meeting

856
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Speaker 1: that took places last night, it's really the guys that

857
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: are the skilled craftsmen that get it done. We talked

858
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: about it today just before we got on. John Ross

859
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: is the guy who holds it at forty record time

860
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: and he's okay, yeah, but he hanging out. He's a guy.

861
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Speaker 1: There's a there's a lot of guys and and look,

862
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Speaker 1: I was more like that because a lot of times

863
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Speaker 1: I'll said, when you run fast this way, it's hard

864
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Speaker 1: to stop. And so it's a rare skill set when

865
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Speaker 1: you have guys that can go fast, sit down and

866
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Speaker 1: stop and come out of breaks. And so that's why

867
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Speaker 1: guys that are a little slower, better balanced, better by

868
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Speaker 1: the control, can get in and out of rocks. And

869
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Speaker 1: if you can teach them how to run out the breaks,

870
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Speaker 1: they can create the separation that you need. Whereas fast

871
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: guys sometimes you got the seven steps to stop. Yeah,

872
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Speaker 1: you remember how you looked him. Yeah, yeah, Ricky munichm

873
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: is just hard to stop. It's hard to stop. But

874
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: when you get those guys, they have to play a

875
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: different role vertical routes, goals, post overs, drag routes where

876
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: they don't have to slow down. With Bucky Brooks from

877
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com, I gotta change gears on you because

878
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: I read this three weeks ago, a post that you

879
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: wrote on NFL dot com NFL Revolution a quarterback guy,

880
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: dynamic positions, Renaissance. Then you write the prototype for quarterbacks

881
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: has been changing in recent years. It's not totally original,

882
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: but you really outline how much it has changed it

883
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: maybe how much we're right in the middle of it

884
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: with some of the young guys, including Josh Allen. I mean,

885
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: just look at look at the way it is changing. Okay,

886
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: so before we used to always talk about a Tom

887
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: Brady Drew Brees. Those are the prototype quarterbacks we want

888
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: to go into draft and find the next guy. Well,

889
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: the college game, they're not producing those guys because what

890
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: happens at the lower ranks in youth football and high

891
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: school football. You take the best athletes, right, you put

892
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: him at quarterback because he can impact the game to

893
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: more touching the ball every play within those guys go

894
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: to college and then they started doing RPOs and they

895
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Speaker 1: started running, and then you have college quarterbacks running for eleven, twelve,

896
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Speaker 1: fourteen hundred yards as like a quasi running back. When

897
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: now they come to the National Football League and we

898
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: can either ask him to do stuff to do incapable

899
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Speaker 1: of or we can just embrace him and say, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: just find a way to get us first downs and

901
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Speaker 1: do it. And as they get older, you hope that

902
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: they'll begin to add some of the traditional skills. But

903
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: while they're young, and while this advantageous for the team

904
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Speaker 1: to build around them on that rookie contract, you kind

905
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: of just have to let them play and make it

906
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 1: right around them. And that's that's right. And you see

907
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes MVP. Then the Lamar Jackson and Lamar and

908
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: I told him, guys that we were laughing at watching

909
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: the thing. He's a unicorn. I mean, he's a one

910
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: of a kind athlete. He's a four three guy and

911
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: a big strong and he can throw it. So he's

912
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Speaker 1: a one of a kind athlete. But he's exactly what

913
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Speaker 1: you're talking about. Who listen, he's just so good. We're

914
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: gonna put him behind the center. We're gonna let him

915
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: make some decisions and if it all, if it all

916
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Speaker 1: gets washed away, he still got the ball and they

917
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Speaker 1: got to stop him. And it makes it hard, right hit.

918
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Speaker 1: They're hard to defend, their hard to fend. But just

919
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: look at Josh Allen, because I think Josh is the

920
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Speaker 1: biggest prize to me, not in terms of the success

921
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Speaker 1: they enjoyed, but the way that he's enjoying the success.

922
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Speaker 1: Because when you watched him at Wyoming, he didn't run

923
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Speaker 1: to the level that he's running in Buffalo. But now

924
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Speaker 1: what you see is he's a big, physical quarterback. And

925
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Speaker 1: I said this then run up to the draft, and

926
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Speaker 1: why I thought Buffalo may take a run at him

927
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Speaker 1: is I felt like he was a scaled down version

928
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Speaker 1: of Cam Newton, not with all the bravado, but in

929
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Speaker 1: terms of the way that Cam played. If you go

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Speaker 1: back and look at how Cam played very early in

931
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Speaker 1: his career, Cam was a short yardage running back. He

932
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Speaker 1: was going He's the best short yardy s got in

933
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: the league, fourteen shortyarded touchdowns a year. When now look

934
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Speaker 1: at Josh, Josh is doing the same thing, and as

935
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Speaker 1: they evolved, you have to change it. And I'll say

936
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Speaker 1: this about Josh because what you have to do is

937
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: you have to understand, here's how my quarter plays. You

938
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Speaker 1: can never expect Josh to be a guy that's going

939
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Speaker 1: to complete seventy percent of his passes. But what he

940
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Speaker 1: does really well is, let's throw off play action. Let's

941
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: make sure we have a dominant enough running game that

942
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: when he throws, he has one on one on the

943
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: outside and when he faces the ball to the running back,

944
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: they're bigger windows. And you talked about expanding the cash radius,

945
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: Let's make sure those receivers can go and get it

946
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: if it's off the mark. Cam Newton has to play

947
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: the same way. So there's nothing wrong with having a

948
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Speaker 1: quarterback like that. We just have to become comfortable knowing

949
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: Hey man, there are gonna be some balls that he misses,

950
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: but if he scores enough points, it doesn't matter. The

951
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: team wins the team went to the playoffs. Yea. In

952
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: this post you wrote, coaches look for scorers instead of shooters. Yeah,

953
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: because because that's because that's what it is. If we

954
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: go all the way back, if we go and watch

955
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: a high school game on Friday night, that quarterback is

956
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 1: traditionally not connecting the dots and completing seventy to seven

957
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: five percent of passes. You hope that he makes enough

958
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: plays he gets your team into the end zone enough

959
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: where you win games. That's how NFL coaches are beginning

960
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: to view the position. As much as we would like

961
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: to see a the consistent passer that can just sit

962
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: back from the grassy knoll and throw it. It's hard

963
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: to find those guys, so you got to play with

964
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: what you have. Anybody said this hurder in the show too,

965
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: that you know, and I always give the finger quotes

966
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: that the prototypical quarterback is kind of obsolete. Now you

967
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: don't have Peyton Mannings and Tom Brady's anymore, although they're

968
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: still around. The league's offensive coordinators are now these pretty creative, innovative,

969
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: weird play and they're weird players that are drawn up

970
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: now you used to be just happened, right, but it

971
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: happens now. They're drawing that stuff up because because the

972
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: way that we came into the league, you have to

973
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: fit our system. This is what we do. That's right.

974
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: You need to hurry up and learn it, and when

975
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: you learn it, you will play well. Now is oh

976
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: what do you do? Okay? What playbook? Did you have

977
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: a college? Well, give me that playbook. I'm gonna see

978
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: how I can work this with Alista from will blend it.

979
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: It's a much better way to do it. Yeah, if

980
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: you if you're gonna play the young players and you

981
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: have to play like you can't sit them out for

982
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: a year or two years away from it's an interesting

983
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: to if you're gonna play young players, which I think

984
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: every team does now because of the economics of the league, right,

985
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: you get them on their rookie contracts. So if is

986
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: this an economic evolution as much as it is a

987
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: talent evolution? Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both.

988
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: Because as much as we talk about the quarterback and

989
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: how we have to help them, well, guess what all

990
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: the guys on the Perimer have also played in those

991
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: same systems. So when you ask those guys to run

992
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: intricate routes with these post snap reads and they're looking

993
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: at you like what these elaborate play calls, even though

994
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: in the rig and we didn't have those things. But

995
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: if you go to West Coast Systems and you say, hey,

996
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: red right twenty two, scat hay when they're walking out there, like,

997
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: I've never heard it verbally spared to me. I've spent

998
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: all my life from youth ball, high school looking at

999
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: the sideline and walking to my position. So now not

1000
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: only are you adjusting your offense to the quarterback, but

1001
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: you're also adjusting to the guys who are playing around him.

1002
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: You have to help everybody get up to speed and

1003
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: play in a simple, fast right. And Bucky, you got

1004
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: a lot of work today. Thanks for carving out some time.

1005
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: Always always all rest always. We're out of here today,

1006
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: so Jay won't buggy anymore. Bucky Brooks, former Bill's Draft

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00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: Pick Now analysts for NFL dot Com. We got great

1008
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: co sell coming up next on the show. Come on

1009
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: back with Us One Bill's Live, presented by Collata Health

1010
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: from the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This is Buffalo Bills Radio,

1011
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: Hello Hills Radio Networks Stories update the update from the

1012
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: Scouting Combine, Date two on the field at the Scouting

1013
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis, the Bills will spend another day interviewing

1014
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: draft prospects looking over the workouts on the field which

1015
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: starts at four pm today. Offensive lineman, running back, special

1016
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: teamers on the field later today. First day of combine

1017
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Speaker 1: workouts yesterday. A couple of the highlights yesterday wide receiver

1018
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Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs from Alabama and a four two seven in

1019
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: the forty yard dash that is not the record. Former

1020
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: Washington University of Washington out John Ross, currently with the Bengals,

1021
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: ran a two forty yard dash about three years ago,

1022
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Speaker 1: but Henry Ruggs did okay at four two seven. Arizona

1023
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Speaker 1: State punter Michael Turk, the only kicker or putter to

1024
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: take take part of the bench press at the combine,

1025
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: put up twenty five reps of two hundred and twenty

1026
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: five pounds yesterday, opening a lot of eyes. Standout chesterday

1027
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Speaker 1: included a quarterback Justin Herbert, quarterback from Oregon, who had

1028
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: a solid day at quarterback wide receiver CD Lamb had

1029
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: a good day at Oklahoma, as we said running backs

1030
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: on the field. Later today, Savers played the Golden Knights

1031
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas tonight ten o'clock, second of two meetings

1032
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: between these teams this season. Last meeting, Buffalo defeated Vegas

1033
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: four to two back in mid January, the sixth all

1034
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: time game between Buffalo and Vegas. Buffalo as a two

1035
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: one and two series record, face up tonight at ten

1036
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Speaker 1: Tomorrow night, Savers wrote tip and moves on to Arizona.

1037
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Speaker 1: They'll play the Coyotes tomorrow night at nine o'clock. And

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Speaker 1: that is the update from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: sexte Sextett time, Welcome back to the Combine and Indie

1040
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: John Burfee, Steve Cans. You're in a special guest with us.

1041
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: He is he's a frequent visitor to our show. He's

1042
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: a familiar face for our viewers and listeners. He is

1043
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: the analyst and executive producer of NFL Matchup on ESPN,

1044
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: long time senior producer at NFL Films. I've been to

1045
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: have great coursel with us. You've been lurking around us.

1046
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: I have I have. It's great to find out Mark

1047
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: Steve has it going going great, great, great. You know,

1048
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Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned Henry Ruggs. Yes, you know when

1049
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: he ran a four to seven. I guess, you know.

1050
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Speaker 1: And I've been coming to the Combine for a long time,

1051
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: so I think my first year was late nineties and

1052
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: I was trying to meet people. I didn't really know anybody.

1053
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: Steve Sable told me back then, he said, you know,

1054
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: you should be going to the Combine. So I came

1055
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: to the Combine, so I'm just you know, it's a

1056
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: whole different deal there anyway, obviously, But but so I

1057
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: come and I'm sitting with a whole bunch of scouts

1058
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Speaker 1: just trying to meet people. And there's this old time

1059
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Speaker 1: scout and you can appreciate this Steve. He's probably sixty

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00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: five seventy years old, and he was from the South,

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00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: so he had, you know, the Southern accent. And he

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00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: turned to me and he said, you know, soon you

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00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: know what the forty tells you? He says, it tells

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00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: you that fast guys run fast and slow guys run slow.

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00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: And I never forgot that. And you know what, it

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00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: didn't matter what Henry Ruggs ran because you know what,

1067
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: he's fast and he plays fast. We were talking about

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00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: earlier today about the record older John Ross, right, so

1069
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: what what he ran? You know, set the record three

1070
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: years ago. He can barely hang on to a spot

1071
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: in the league. No, and there's no question that forty times,

1072
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: particularly for receivers, can be well overrated or too much

1073
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: influence given to them. And I think we do that

1074
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: because the forty time for white outs is he is,

1075
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: like you know, I guess it's almost like the swimsuit

1076
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: competition used to be it for Miss America, you know,

1077
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you know, people put so much onto

1078
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: the forty yard dash and if a guy runs well,

1079
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I mean, it's so funny because

1080
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, we're all on Twitter these days because we

1081
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: sort of have to be, and it's so funny to

1082
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: see if a guy runs well and you go on

1083
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: Twitter and some you know, draft guru says, well, I

1084
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: had this guy in the fourth round and after that

1085
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: forty me I just moved him up into early in

1086
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: the second round. Right, It's so ridiculous, right now, that's

1087
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: what that's what people are gonna do with like Chase Claypool.

1088
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: I know who's big, huge, strong, and he ran a

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00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: four four two. But they're still gonna go watch the

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00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: exact same film they would have. Let's hope that they're

1091
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: doing that, because this is really about playing football right

1092
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: with Greg co Sell. But you can take calls right

1093
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: from people who might have seen somebody last saying they

1094
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: want to ask about right, can you do that? Sure?

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00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean, if I've seen them on tape, I'll st

1096
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: gonna be able to have a better answer. If I haven't,

1097
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: I'll just tell you that's why it goes. If you

1098
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: have a commenter question for Greg Diallas up eighth three

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Speaker 1: five fifty toll Free from Outside Buffalo one eight eight

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Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty. And that's an important part

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Speaker 1: of what we should talk about today. And you mentioned

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00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: to me the other day, not that you're just getting

1103
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: started on this, but you haven't looked at everybody's films. No,

1104
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: and again, as you guys know, because of my NFL

1105
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: job doing the Matchup show, I don't really start watching

1106
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: college players until after the Super Bowl. So at this

1107
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: point I've seen eleven quarterbacks, twenty two receivers. Claypool was

1108
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: not one that I've gotten too yet, and I've seen

1109
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: a number of the higher end defensive players. But given

1110
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: that receivers worked last night, I've seen twenty two receivers

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00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: on tape. What did you see last night? Who jumped

1112
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: out at you in the receiver group? Well, one receiver

1113
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: that I really liked on tape, so I was interested

1114
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: to see him, and he actually did very well. Was

1115
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims at a ballet six three, two hundred and

1116
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: sixteen pounds. You know, it's funny watching his tape. I

1117
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: didn't think he was track speed fast, although he ran

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00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: off I guess a four to four and a four

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00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: to three nine, which at six three two sixteen is

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Speaker 1: pretty darn good. But I thought, because of his stride

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00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: lengthy was stride length fast. And I used to struggle

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00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: with that early in my career, seeing guys who were

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Speaker 1: taller guys, getting a feel for whether they could be

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Speaker 1: vertical receivers, because sometimes those taller guys, they don't necessarily

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00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: look like they're running fast, but that stride length means

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Speaker 1: a lot. They eat up a lot of ground. I

1127
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: made the point earlier in the show about Calvin Johnson,

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Speaker 1: and he ran the four three five right right, if

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00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: you've met him or Stilly, he's enormously He ran the

1130
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: forty so fast and he took fifteen steps. Yeah, I

1131
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: know that. See, that's the amazing thing, right, right, is

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00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: that guys that's to me. I remember when Randy Moss

1133
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: came in the league, and Randy Moss, particularly when he

1134
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: had free access off the line of scrimmage. You know,

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00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: no one was disrupting his route. It seemed like he

1136
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: took three steps and he was twelve yards down the field, right,

1137
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: And you know that so stride length for bigger receivers matters.

1138
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: So you know a lot of times they talk about

1139
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: these guys who are big, like Michael Pittman is another

1140
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: big receiver whose tape I really like. I think he

1141
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: came in at six four two twenty three and he

1142
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: ran a four to five two, which for a six four,

1143
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty three pound guy is very very

1144
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: good in my view anyway. And you know, he's just

1145
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: a big guy with longer strides, and those guys can

1146
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,959
Speaker 1: get vertical even though they're not burners in a strict sense.

1147
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: We've made the point today we were watching you get

1148
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: to the point where you watch all these forties, and

1149
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: you can tell the difference between the four five forty

1150
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: four forty or four three forty. You're right, Oh yeah,

1151
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: that was fine. But when you get those long guys,

1152
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: their long strides do cover a lot of ground. They

1153
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: don't look explosive, but effectively they are. That's exactly right.

1154
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: You know who one guy who I totally missed on

1155
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: with that when I go back in my career and

1156
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: talk about taller receivers was Jordy Nelson. I remember watching

1157
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: him come out of Kansas State and thinking, God, you know,

1158
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: I don't think he's really that fast. I'm not sure

1159
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: he's going to get over the top of NFL corners.

1160
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: And then of course he gets in the league and

1161
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: he's I think he was six two, and he was

1162
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: able to get over the top of NFL corners and

1163
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: just because he sort of had a stride and the

1164
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: way he in which he moved. With Greg Cosell from

1165
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: Matchup NFL Matchup on the ESPN Senior producer at NFL Films,

1166
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: Phone Night's open, if you have a common question eight

1167
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Speaker 1: oh three oh five fifty toll free from outside Buffalo

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Speaker 1: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fIF what

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Speaker 1: are the big receivers in this class. Te Higgins didn't

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Speaker 1: do anything last night, but what if you watched him

1171
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Speaker 1: on what do you think? I really like t Higgins.

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00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: He's long, he's athletic, He's got a tremendous catching radius.

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00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: He catches everything and can catch balls away from his frame,

1174
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Speaker 1: which I think is really important in the NFL. I'm

1175
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Speaker 1: sure he'll run at his pro day at My guess

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00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: is he'll be one of those four or five one guys.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to run a four or four. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I went back and sometimes it's very instructive

1179
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Speaker 1: to look at really the top NFL receivers and go

1180
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Speaker 1: back and look at what they are in. You know,

1181
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: you look at someone like DeAndre Hopkins ran I think

1182
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Speaker 1: a four or five to seven. I think Michael Thomas

1183
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: ran a four or five five somewhere in that area.

1184
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Speaker 1: And you know, te Higgins is almost six four two sixteen,

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Speaker 1: a lean, athletic looking guy. I think te Higgins has

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00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: a chance to be a really good player. Yeah, we've

1187
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: also heard and we've had other guys, and your cohort

1188
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: Matt Bowen told us he likes Jerry Judy maybe more

1189
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: than any receivers draft. I mean, he thinks it's Jerry

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Speaker 1: Judy and then everybody else. Is it that biggest separation?

1191
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: To me? It is. And I know others disagree, and

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00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: that's hey. I like to think, you know, reasonable people

1193
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: can disagree and that's okay. But I think Jerry Judy

1194
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: just his explosive movement, his ability to run routes. He's

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00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: very refined and advanced for a college receiver in his

1196
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: understanding of how to run routes and set up corners

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00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: or safeties depending on where he's lined up. He lines

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Speaker 1: up both in the slot, he lines up outside. I

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Speaker 1: just it's funny. You know, he's not a burner. I

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00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: think he ran his first time was four four six.

1201
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: A second time was worse. But then you watch him

1202
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: in the drills and just the way he moves as

1203
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: a route runner, he's efficient. It's funny because I was

1204
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: sitting with a coach and the first thing the coach

1205
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: said to me was no wasted steps. Yeah, and you know,

1206
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: you know you're receiver that that means so much because

1207
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: these guys who waste steps, they could be four two

1208
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: guys and there's not you know, I'm exaggerating, but then

1209
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: they cover themselves because they start there too much wasted motion, right,

1210
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons too. We talked to

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks here and I've and I've told Murf this

1212
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Speaker 1: as well. When you get the four five guys in there,

1213
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: a lot of times they get better separation than the

1214
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 1: faster guys because in the NFL and putting your play

1215
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: football instead just run forties, you've got to stop hard,

1216
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 1: correct and when you're going at a four to two pace,

1217
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: it takes you six or seven steps to stop right,

1218
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: even when you're just trying to stop hard. But when

1219
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: you're a four or five guy, sometimes you can get

1220
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: it done in three steps, turn and change directions and

1221
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: explode out of the break. And that's why I think

1222
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: it's almost you can see why most of these guys

1223
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: have more success at the pro level than maybe the

1224
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: guys who catch our eye at the combine. Yeah, and

1225
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: that's why you have to be careful about forty times, Murf.

1226
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: I think it's it's fun and it's great to talk about.

1227
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: And you know, the kid from LSU, Justin Jefferson, ran

1228
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: faster than people thought. He ran a four four and

1229
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: you'll watch his tape, and I like the player on tape,

1230
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: but he's not a vertical receiver. So the fact that

1231
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: he ran a four four, that's not going to change

1232
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: what he is on tape. He's not all of a

1233
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: sudden going to be John Brown because he ran a

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00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: four or four. He's you know, it's nice that he

1235
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: ran that, but he's a certain kind of player and

1236
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: he's good at that. But he's not all of a

1237
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: sudden a vertical guy because he ran a four four. Great.

1238
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: Let me ask you one more receiver question, and it's

1239
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: kind of a taste of our Twitter poll today. Would

1240
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: it be a mistake for the Buffalo Bills not to

1241
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: choose a wide receiver with their first pick on draft day?

1242
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: You know what they need, you know how the Bills

1243
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: are made. Now you know the reason. That's a hard

1244
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: Let me it's a hard question, especially me. Let me

1245
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: answer that this way. I think every team does a

1246
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: draft board. Okay, here's so, here's the deal with the

1247
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: Bills pick where twenty two? Okay, so it's every team

1248
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: has specific needs. But let's say you get to twenty

1249
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: two and you say, you know, we really want to

1250
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: get a receiver. You know, in the first round. But

1251
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: the next highest rated receiver on your board is rated

1252
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: thirty four on your board, and I'm just you know, yeah,

1253
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: playing this out, you can't take him at twenty two

1254
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: because that's not the way the draft works, and that's

1255
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: not the reason you do draft boards. Now, if that,

1256
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: if you have a receiver that's rated twenty fifth, you

1257
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: can take him at twenty two, but you you have

1258
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: to stay to some degree to how you rate the players,

1259
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: because that's how teams get in trouble when they just

1260
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: take a player they don't have rated that highly because

1261
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: it is a position of need. Now, my guess is

1262
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: they'll come away with a receiver or two in this draft,

1263
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: and maybe it will be at twenty two if there's

1264
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: a guy there that they have rated at that point. Yeah,

1265
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: And I think that's what it comes down to, is

1266
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: how they look at and plus and this may be

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Speaker 1: a better question, how many quarterbacks do you see in

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Speaker 1: this draft? With all the sparkly lights in the quarter

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Speaker 1: because what happens is you pick those positions that are

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Speaker 1: the most coveted, the edge rushers, the corners, and quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there's some people telling us maybe there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be five guys picked in the first round at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: So that means there's not room to pick all the

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Speaker 1: offensive tackles, all the corners, all the wide receivers. Some

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Speaker 1: of these guys are gonna trickle down to twenty two,

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Speaker 1: and there may be another position where you can get

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Speaker 1: an elite guy at twenty two, right, And I think

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Speaker 1: that's part of it. Looks it's a deep receiver draft.

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Speaker 1: The thing about receivers is they come in all shapes

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Speaker 1: and sizes, which is why it's very hard to make

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Speaker 1: lists of receivers. And then it becomes an organizational decision

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01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: as to what you're looking for. You know, you can say, hey, look,

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Speaker 1: if Henry Ruggs is there is twenty two, do you

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Speaker 1: take Henry Ruggs. I've happened to like Henry Ruggs a lot,

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01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: But do you view him as a similar style player

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Speaker 1: as John Brown, you know? Or would you prefer to get,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the bigger receivers, you know, one

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Speaker 1: of the guys who's six to three, you know, do

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Speaker 1: you want one of those guys? You know? Are you

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Speaker 1: looking for a pure slot? You know? Do you think, hey,

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Speaker 1: maybe kJ Hamler there is there in the second round,

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Speaker 1: and we really like him at a Penn State because

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Speaker 1: we want a slot. So sometimes receivers are taken based

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Speaker 1: on the kind of offense you run and the needs

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Speaker 1: within that specific kind of offense. With Greg Cosell, he

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Speaker 1: is an executive producer analysts of NFL Matchup on ESPN

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Speaker 1: Full Night's Open. If you have a common question eighth

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Speaker 1: three five fifty toll free from outside Buffalo one eight

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Speaker 1: eight five fifty two five fifty, let me switch gears

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Speaker 1: on you and and go to quarterbacks for a second.

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Speaker 1: Herbert the starward quarterback last night from what you saw, well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, it's it's funny. I mean, Herbert and

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Speaker 1: Easton were in the first group, and to me, the

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Speaker 1: combine has made for them because these guys are big

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Speaker 1: arm guys. They're easy throwers of the football. They don't

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Speaker 1: their effortless, they don't exert much energy. The ball jumps

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Speaker 1: out of their hands, you know. So when you when

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Speaker 1: you watch guys throwing shorts and a T shirt, they

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Speaker 1: look pretty darn good throwing of football, you know. So

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, did Herbert look really good throwing

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Speaker 1: the ball? He sure did, because he's that kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like you have questions about him, though, too.

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Speaker 1: I do have questions about Herbert him. I think I

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Speaker 1: think to me, Herbert is a guy that is what

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Speaker 1: I would call a see it, throw it guy, meaning

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Speaker 1: that he doesn't have a great sense of timing and anticipation.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a rhythmic ball distributor type quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And in many ways you talked about this with Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: who's improving in that area, and we saw him get

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Speaker 1: better this year making those kinds of throws to Cole Beasley.

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Speaker 1: But when Josh came out and through his first year,

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Speaker 1: he was not really a ball distributor, you know, he

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Speaker 1: was not a rhythmic player, and he's still working to

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Speaker 1: get better in that regard. I see Herbert much the

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Speaker 1: same way. And Herbert, much like Josh, is a little

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Speaker 1: erratic with his ball placement at times. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's a this you find out about guys. But

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Speaker 1: I think one of the most interesting things for guys

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Speaker 1: like us, not you so much, but you get to

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Speaker 1: line up all thirty five of the top wide receivers

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Speaker 1: up at once and compare them right right here, right now,

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Speaker 1: their ball skills and I think when you see him

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Speaker 1: go through one at a time, one at a time,

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Speaker 1: one at a time. You see the guys that you

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Speaker 1: know they'll fight it a little bit, right. You see

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Speaker 1: the guys that catch it asn't after they got it

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Speaker 1: into the catch is easy. And the quarterbacks are the

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Speaker 1: same way this. This throws easy. That throws easy. And

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Speaker 1: you see other guys that are kind of you can

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Speaker 1: see him bearing down and they want you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. It's so funny because I noticed that last

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Speaker 1: night because for the first group, I was on the field,

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Speaker 1: so I was standing, you know, eight feet away, which

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Speaker 1: I really like to see the ball come out of

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Speaker 1: these guys hands and to watch how they throw it.

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Speaker 1: And there were certain quarterbacks in the first group where

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Speaker 1: on some of those deeper throws they were working hard

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Speaker 1: to throw the ball, whereas Herbert and Easton who was

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Speaker 1: just effortless. Yeah, which you think of Jordan Love Utah

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Speaker 1: State lessening. I like Jordan Love. He's another guy that

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01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: throws it very easily. He's a big kid. I think

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Speaker 1: he came in at six four two twenty give or take.

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01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: I watched his tape from twenty eighteen and from twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: I think he's got all the traits you look for.

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Speaker 1: I think, for instance, to me, he is more of

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Speaker 1: a ball distributor than Herbert. I think he's the kind

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Speaker 1: of guy that can hit that back foot, the ball

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01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: comes out, there's a rhythm to his game. Plus he's

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Speaker 1: got movement ability, which has become increasingly important in this league.

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Speaker 1: And I think he's a really, really good prospect. He

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Speaker 1: has a chance to be one of those five quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: without question. So who are the five right to? Uh

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Speaker 1: Well Burrow? I think you're gonna deal with Burrows to

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Speaker 1: a Herbert Love and maybe Jacob Eason tell me about him,

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Speaker 1: he was there less. Easton is a fascinating kid because

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Speaker 1: you know, twenty years ago he'd be talked about as

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Speaker 1: a top five guy because he's he's in the carterson

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Speaker 1: Palmer Mole. Now. I don't think he's quite throws it

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Speaker 1: like Carson, who is truly special as a thrower. But

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Speaker 1: I think Easton is in that category. You know, twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago that guy's the top five pick, no questions asked.

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Speaker 1: So he's one of the in the pocket, stand there

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Speaker 1: and make the decision, make make the throw. Yeah, Now

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Speaker 1: people question some other things about him, but just the

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Speaker 1: physical traits are there to be a pocket quarterback. He

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Speaker 1: will succeed or fail in the NFL based on his

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Speaker 1: ability to master pocket play. And he's not a statue,

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Speaker 1: but he's certainly not going to be a movement guy.

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Speaker 1: You know. And we're talking about quarterbacks. We had Bucky

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Speaker 1: Brooks on you overheard it. You're sitting right over here

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Speaker 1: about the post that got my attention for Earlier this month,

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Speaker 1: your partner on Matchup, Mat Bowen wrote about a similar thing.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of an evolution of the quarterback position, and

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Speaker 1: you almost see it happening right in front of your

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Speaker 1: eyes here at the combine. Just different style quarterbacks, different

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Speaker 1: skill sets for these people that maybe they didn't get

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01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: a chance fifteen years ago. Well, I think what you're

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Speaker 1: seeing is the idea that because defenses are so good

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01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: now and so much faster, and when all's said and done,

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Speaker 1: the biggest mismatch on the field is still defense versus

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. That now quarterbacks the feeling is they're

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Speaker 1: going to have to be able to move, They're going

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01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: to have to be able to make some plays that

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Speaker 1: are outside the structure of the offense. What we call

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01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: second reaction plays. The big question you get with that

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Speaker 1: is at what cost are you sacrificing precision for that?

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Speaker 1: Does it matter if you're sacrificing precision. A lot of

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01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: people have different points of view. What's the balance between

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Speaker 1: being efficient from the pocket versus being able to make

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Speaker 1: those outside of structure plays. You know, if you have

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01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: a lot of team around you, and you know you

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01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: can win games twenty four seventeen because you have a

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01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: really good defense and maybe a good run game, maybe

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01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: you can live with the fact that your quarterback is

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01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: not a really precise player. But then you also get

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Speaker 1: I would answer it this way, and Steve knows this.

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Speaker 1: It's still how it's coached and taught. No one rolls

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Speaker 1: the ball out and says, let's run around and make plays. Today,

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Speaker 1: it's still Hey, here's the three step pass game. Here

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Speaker 1: are the routes that go with that. Here's the five

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Speaker 1: step pass game. Here's the routes that go with that.

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Speaker 1: Here's our seven step shot shot play play action pass game. Now,

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Speaker 1: do you need to have that ability to move? Yes,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think you can sacrifice the other thing. Well,

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Speaker 1: you heard I think you heard Bucky and maybe reading

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Speaker 1: in the article talking about scorers versus shooters. Coaches, look

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01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: for you basketball sense. We need guys who score. We're

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01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: not going to hold them to an exacting standard of Hey,

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Speaker 1: you gotta take an exact five step drop complete this pass.

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Speaker 1: And you sound like you're not sold on that. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not that I'm not sold but I think that, well,

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01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: maybe you know I'm not sold on that. I still

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Speaker 1: think you have to teach the position with precision. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think quarterback is a discipline craft position, and I

1425
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: think you gotta be careful. You know, I get it.

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01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: I look, I watch tape all the time, and yes,

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01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: defenses are so good, and defense wins sometimes times, and yes,

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01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: is it a bear defensively in a sense have to

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01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: defend what becomes two plays, you know, the play that's

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01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: called and then the play that happens. Yes, it's it's

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01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: it's brutal to do that. There's no question that has

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Speaker 1: tremendous value. But I just think to what happens when?

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01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: What do we say when it's third and eight and

1434
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: it's blocked up perfectly, the quarterback drops back, the receiver

1435
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: wins by NFL standards, and the quarterback makes a bad throw.

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01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,919
Speaker 1: Do we just write that off and say, oh, no problem,

1437
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna make a runaround play later, you know. I

1438
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: mean some people are ready to say that though that.

1439
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: And again, I'm one of those people that thinks there's

1440
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: a lot of ways to do things. You know, I

1441
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: don't think I'm smarter than anybody else, but I think,

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01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: you know, how do you answer that question, Steve? That's

1443
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: the real question, because I think now in today's NFL,

1444
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators have proven, unlike decades pass right, there are

1445
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: different ways to win. And I think the thing that

1446
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: really gets difficult in today's NFL is you have to

1447
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: your team, These same guys have to be able to

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01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: win in different ways next week. Correct week to week.

1449
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: You gotta run it this week, So get your right game.

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01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: Gun And we had I can't remember the guests we

1451
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: had on and you said this about your offensive line.

1452
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: He told us, your offensive line allows your offense to

1453
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: look like it was designed to look if they can win. Right,

1454
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: if your offensive line wins, your offense runs the way

1455
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: it's supposed to run. It looks the way it's supposed

1456
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: to run. If they don't win, or if one guy

1457
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: misses on any given play, then your quarterback, like Bucky

1458
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: b says, has to be a scorer, not And you know,

1459
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: I always think of the plays that never make highlights, Murph,

1460
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: but are so critical. And I think of a quarterback

1461
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: like Troy Acho. Not a runaround guy obviously, but he

1462
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: was a master at when it was third and seven,

1463
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: he did Jay Novicheck for eight yards. And you know

1464
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: that's not going to be on Sports Center. But those

1465
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: plays mean a lot, you know, And and you know

1466
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 1: the guys that can't do that, you can't say, well,

1467
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: no problem, because in the fourth quarter he's gonna run

1468
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: around and make a play, because first of all, you

1469
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: don't know that that's going to happen, right, I got

1470
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: you before we've twenty minutes into our conversation with you,

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01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: if yet to talk about anybody on defense? Is there

1472
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: anybody in this draft that maybe fits the Buffalo Bills,

1473
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: whether it be a edge rusher or maybe a line back.

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Speaker 1: Guys who are really good prospects who may not be

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Speaker 1: there at twenty two. I'll tell you a player I

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01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: really like any he could theoretically be there at twenty two,

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01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure he'll be ready to play as

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01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: a rookie because he's twenty years old. But I think

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01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 1: in two three years he'll be really really good. And

1480
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: that's the clavon. I think that's how you Bronc Chason

1481
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: from LSU. He's twenty years old. He looks the part.

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01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: He's an edge player who also drops into coverage. And

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01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: I know that Sean McDermott and Leslie Frasier loved that

1484
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: kind of versatility. And you know, again, some of my

1485
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,560
Speaker 1: team is a three four outside backer, so maybe that

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01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 1: doesn't fit. But he's just a player who's tape I

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01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: really liked, plays really hard all the time, and he

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01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: can bend. He's got flexibility, he's got a little bit

1489
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: of what we like to call that motorcycle lean as

1490
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. And I because he's twenty years old,

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01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to get to. Well, the

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01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: Bills have already the lynch pin of their defense to

1493
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: Bill's drafted when he was nineteen, right and right Tremaine Edmunds. Yeah,

1494
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: so I don't know if that would scare him off.

1495
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: And I'm just saying, you know, you know, if they

1496
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: were to take him, I don't want people to think, oh,

1497
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: this guy's stepping in week one. He's gonna get twenty

1498
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 1: sacks this year. But I think he's going to be

1499
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: a really good player. I think one of the things too,

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01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: And for a guy like Chase on the Bills might

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01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: be the perfect fit because of their ability to help

1502
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: guys develop in their career. They've got a really nice

1503
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: system of being able to get guys to play better

1504
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: and better and better and better and better. And maybe

1505
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: I'd be wrong, maybe he would be ready. You know,

1506
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: I don't know that, but I'm just saying he's twenty

1507
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: years old, which is young, but he's I'd really like

1508
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: the prospect. Greg. It is good to see you face

1509
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: to face. We're gonna get John, I think every week

1510
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: from the hope, so I have seven weeks of the draft,

1511
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: will get John. We love that. More updates and alights.

1512
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: Great to see man. He was arrest him all right?

1513
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: Thanks great Cosell. Executive producer analysts NFL Matchup on ESPN.

1514
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: Longtime senior producer at NFL Films, Johnning is here at

1515
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: the Combine. Come mean up next year at the Combine.

1516
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,679
Speaker 1: The guy who ran the last event, the Senior Bowl.

1517
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: We'll talk with Jim Nage, the executive director of the

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01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, right here on our in our Combine location.

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01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: When we return, it's one Bills Live and this is

1520
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to one Bills Live, and

1521
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: we are joined by Jim Nagy, executive director of the

1522
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: Reese's Senior Bowl. Longtime NFL scout eighteen years and now

1523
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: he's here as part of ESPN's draft coverage. Jim, welcome,

1524
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: Good to have you here. Yeah, good to see you. John.

1525
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 1: Tell me what your plan is. What are you gonna

1526
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: be doing with ESPN this weekend. Whatever they want me

1527
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: to do, so, whether it's being on in radio row

1528
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: or you know, NFL live shows or Sports Center hits, whatever,

1529
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:47,560
Speaker 1: whatever they need me to do. Them here to do.

1530
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: How many sets do they have? How many locations are

1531
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: they take? They inside the stadium too, Yeah, the main

1532
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: radio row and the main one is in that north

1533
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: side of the stadium. Other than that, I've seen this.

1534
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,560
Speaker 1: I've never been back here before. This is weird for me,

1535
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: so coming this is my twenty third combine. You know,

1536
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: always came here as a scout. So I put something

1537
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 1: on Twitter the other day. The first time I ever

1538
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 1: packed a suit to go. It's a whole different deal.

1539
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: This is the nuts and bolts right here. Tell us

1540
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: what it's like is a scout to come to the combine. Like,

1541
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: what are the days like? Pretty long days. I think

1542
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: it's Groundhog Day for sure. You know, early mornings especially,

1543
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: I was a group leader here for seven years and

1544
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: you're you're basically the shepherd for the players to make

1545
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: sure they're getting from point A to point deep point

1546
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 1: point B. And those are some really early mornings. You know,

1547
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: the guy you wake the guys up at four thirty

1548
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: five o'clock to do their drug test and one day,

1549
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: so that's a grind. You're talking about a group leader,

1550
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 1: like a group of players, Yeah, a group of players

1551
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: eight or ten or yeah, no, no bigger, it's almost

1552
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: fifty one position groups. Yeah, so like I always had

1553
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: a quarterback receiver group. They put them together a little bit.

1554
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: They'll love like seven qbs and about forty wideouts. Yeah,

1555
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: so you you have that whole group. It's you and

1556
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: there's two group assistant leaders, and you just make sure

1557
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: they get them yeah, shepherd and around make sure they

1558
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: get where they're getting. So those are some really long days.

1559
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 1: But you know what the combine is for for scouts

1560
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: is you know, like the workout part of it is,

1561
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, like seeing the forty yard dash times. You know,

1562
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: scouts will always put down, you know, what they think

1563
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: a guy plays, which is the most important thing. Right

1564
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: You watch the tape and he plays like a four

1565
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: four or five guy, you know, and then he comes

1566
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: here and he runs a four to six flat and

1567
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: you're like, oh boy, better go watch some more tape

1568
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: on this guy and see it. This is real. But

1569
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's fact finding, it's it's you know,

1570
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: just trying to find out you know, like the hand

1571
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: size thing like Joe Burrows hand sized thing the other

1572
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: day got blown up. And again I think it's because

1573
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: where it was early in the week, there was nothing

1574
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: else to talk about. But all that does is from

1575
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: a scouting perspective, is make you go back to the tape,

1576
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: try to find Joe's games where he played in some

1577
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,799
Speaker 1: bad weather and see if it affected how he controlled

1578
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: the ball. And that's all it is. Let me ask

1579
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: you about timing. In fact, you had a tweet earlier

1580
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: this week, and the guy who's been around this for years,

1581
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: almost two decades, you still get excited about being down

1582
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: on field level watching guys run forties, which they just

1583
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: started the last day or two here. Yeah, you know,

1584
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: the special guys, Like it's really fun for me. Like

1585
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: that's part of scouting too that I appreciate. It is

1586
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: just how fun exceptional these guys are athletically, you know,

1587
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's I mean, that's the essence

1588
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 1: of scouting is to find the great ones, you know.

1589
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: And I know Steve knows. Steve play at the one

1590
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: of the greats of all times, so he played with

1591
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of Hall of famers and he should be

1592
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer himself. But but no, I appreciate

1593
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:15,799
Speaker 1: that stuff. So when you see a guy like Henry

1594
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: Ruggs last year at the Alabama Junior Pro Day and

1595
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: I was timing the ten yard desk and he comes

1596
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: whizzing by, and you feel that breeze and you're like,

1597
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:24,600
Speaker 1: whoa that was. You don't even have to look at

1598
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: your watch, you know that you like, you know fast

1599
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 1: when you see fast, and and so those are it's

1600
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 1: still really cool. Yeah, it's hard to be and I've

1601
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: said this before on the show, and it's hard to

1602
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: beat to wow people at this level because you know,

1603
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: you see, you see, you're you're around pro football players

1604
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: all the time. You see fantastic, used to see unbelievable

1605
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: plays in practice, right, and you see these guys doing stuff.

1606
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: It's hard to wow guys scouts like who've been doing

1607
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: it for two decades. I mean I was around when

1608
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, I saw Bo Jackson, you know, and I

1609
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: saw Dion, I play, I chase Dion, you know that

1610
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Yeah, so it's hard to impress people

1611
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: who are around guys like that, and it's hard to

1612
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: be fast in the league full of fast, but it does,

1613
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: it does happen, and that's why I think fans and

1614
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: media get excited when guys like you go, why don't

1615
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: you start whispering about guys? And I was like, wow,

1616
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: did you just see what that guy did? Yeah, you know,

1617
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: we were just talking a second ago before we came

1618
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 1: on about My first experience in the league was in

1619
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: Green Bay in ninety six, and I'll never forget. I

1620
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: was outside the locker room one day and there was

1621
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: a huge commotion either I thought there was a fight

1622
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: going on, and uh, walk in the locker room and

1623
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 1: it was in the back corner where the d lineman

1624
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: and the linebackers were, and they were just screaming and yelling,

1625
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: going back and forth, and I was like, what is

1626
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: this all about? And they were back there all comparing

1627
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: stories of how Barry Sanders made them look stupid, and

1628
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 1: I was like it was great, Like they were all

1629
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: trading stories about oh man, the time he made me

1630
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: do so like yeah, we went when when you're that

1631
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean special special, I mean just to play in

1632
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,560
Speaker 1: the NFL, you've got to be phenomenal. But then like

1633
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,560
Speaker 1: to see the grades, I mean, those guys are a

1634
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: whole different level. How is a scout? How do you

1635
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: use those forty times? So yeah, there's football speed. There

1636
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: is in football speed when the running forty though you

1637
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: know he just as a scout, you just hope it

1638
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: all measures up to what you see on the tape.

1639
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: I mean there's guys today that like Juwan Jennings. There's

1640
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: a receiver from Tennessee in this year's draft, Juan Jennings,

1641
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: And you know the people that I know at Tennessee.

1642
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 1: He might run a four seven forty time, he doesn't

1643
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: play that way now. I mean he's got really good

1644
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: tempo off the line and into intermediate stuff like are

1645
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 1: you gonna stretch to the field of him? No, but

1646
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: can he you know, can he work that middle part

1647
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,799
Speaker 1: of the field and catch the ball? And he's physical

1648
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: as all get out, Like you can't tackle the guy.

1649
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: So to me, like, if I'm a scout and I

1650
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 1: gave this guy a third round grade and he runs

1651
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: a four seven, I mean that's gonna immediately a lot

1652
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: of people in the organization that haven't seen the player

1653
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: yet are gonna want to third round on a four

1654
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: seven guy? Forget that. Well, let's get back to the tape,

1655
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: you know. Like to me, that's always the most important

1656
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: thing is getting back to the tame. And I know

1657
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 1: this particularly White, I was you know, we can talk

1658
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: about White. I was in running back to the same thing.

1659
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: You can get a guy that runs a you know,

1660
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: Chris Johnson who runs a four two or something or

1661
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: or a real fast time, and some of those guys

1662
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: have trouble because of their speed and explosives have trouble

1663
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: slowing down hard, stopping hard and turning and changing, controlling

1664
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,600
Speaker 1: and controlling it. Yeah, they can run fast, but they

1665
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: can't right stop. Then they get to the top of

1666
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: the route and wipe out right. They or they stumble,

1667
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: or they or they can't stop hard enough for it

1668
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: takes them seven steps to slow down rather than just

1669
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: the two or three that you need him to. I

1670
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: need you to get a guy. It's a four five

1671
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: or four six guy that can do it very well

1672
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 1: and create better separation even though he's a lot slower. Yeah,

1673
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: the most the most overrated thing for running backs this

1674
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 1: top end speed. In my opinion, we had this fight.

1675
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,799
Speaker 1: I was in Seattle, was my last job with the Seahawks,

1676
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: and we had a little back and forth with with

1677
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: members of the staff on the importance of speed. I mean,

1678
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: we were there was there was a faction of us that, uh,

1679
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, really liked Nick Chubb. Um it was Nick Chu.

1680
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 1: There was a couple other there's one other guy and

1681
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: they were they were like right at four six, you know,

1682
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 1: and and you know, there's a couple of guys that

1683
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: wanted a four four guy. And we're like, guys, there's

1684
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: been so many good running backs that are four six.

1685
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 1: And we went down the list. We pulled it up.

1686
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: And that's the great thing about computers now, and you

1687
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: just pull this date up, so you know, you just run.

1688
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: You run a query of guys that are run four

1689
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: six and that's like a who's who of the Pro

1690
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: Bowl over the last twenty years. So yeah, I mean

1691
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: some of these numbers stuff. It's great for TV tonight,

1692
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 1: it'll be fun on primetime. But um, as a scout,

1693
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you always got to go back to the table.

1694
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: How do they play? How do they play? In pads?

1695
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 1: Right right with Jim Nagy, he's executive director of the

1696
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: Reese's Senior Bowl and Mobile Alabama. Which Senior Bowl players

1697
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: are here that you are interested in keeping an eye

1698
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: on today? Who the guys you get your eyes on

1699
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: based on their performance in Mobile all one hundred and twenty.

1700
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: I love, I love those guys, that whole receiver crew.

1701
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: Like everyone's talking right now about this junior class of

1702
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy and you know, Ceedee Lamb and Te Higgins

1703
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: and those guys. But I want to see Denzel Men's

1704
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: from Baylor. I want to see Antonio Gandy Golden from

1705
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: Liberty had a great week at the Senior Bowl. Just

1706
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: see how those guys. I think that I want to

1707
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: see how they test because I think they're gonna shock him.

1708
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: How many guys are overlapping. We're in the Senior Bowl,

1709
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: played spent the week there and then came here because

1710
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 1: there's a there's You get a lot of guys that,

1711
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna work out there, I'm gonna

1712
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: but a lot of guys are like, I'll do everything

1713
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: you ask and I'm gonna show up every place I

1714
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: have the chance to. Yeah, those are those are the

1715
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: guys you want, right, we had of that. We had

1716
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty two guys in Mobile and one

1717
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty combine invites, so as almost ninety nine

1718
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: percent of the guys. Which is which is which is good?

1719
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: You know we're happy about that number. Um, I think

1720
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,600
Speaker 1: we had four last year that didn't get invited to

1721
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 1: the Combine and the two that didn't frankly, I don't

1722
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: know how they didn't. It didn't make sense to me.

1723
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,560
Speaker 1: We wouldn't we wouldn't have invited him. But but no,

1724
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 1: it's it's, uh, you do you want those guys that

1725
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: every opportunity to compete, They're going to do it right?

1726
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: Who is like a prototypical Senior Bowl player, not at

1727
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: a name, but the type of player who can benefit

1728
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: from going to the Senior Bowl and having that as

1729
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: part of their resume going into the draft. Well, to me,

1730
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: I think, you know, we had ten first round picks

1731
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: last year, which was a huge spike for us. We

1732
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: were like at three, four and three in the past

1733
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: for the past few years before that. We'll see how

1734
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: this this year's class pans out. Um. To me, like,

1735
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,560
Speaker 1: I think the guys at the very high end of

1736
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 1: the draft, the Senior Bowl means a lot because if

1737
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: you move up from twelve to eight or twenty three

1738
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: to eighteen, I mean that there's a lot of money

1739
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 1: in different There was a I mean the money up

1740
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: at the top of the draft is so so, you know,

1741
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 1: exponentially each spot. Um. So there's those guys, and then

1742
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: I think the small school players it's a huge showcase.

1743
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: So you know, like this year we had a kid

1744
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: from a Division three school, Ben Bartch from Saint Johnson, Minnesota,

1745
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: and again you watch Division three tape, no offense to

1746
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,799
Speaker 1: those yeah yeah, but yeah, he's a guard, he's a tackle,

1747
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: played a lot of guard at the Senior Bowl. And

1748
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: no offense to those Division three guys. I mean, I

1749
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: mean I should have played Division three football. You know,

1750
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:38,560
Speaker 1: that's that's that's good level of football, but it's not

1751
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,759
Speaker 1: nfl Um and his scouts. You want to compare apples

1752
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: to apples, right, And he came down very first day.

1753
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: He's thrown into one on ones against Javon Kinlaw from

1754
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 1: South Carolina, who's gonna be a top ten pick, Marlan

1755
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: Davidson from Auburn, who's gonna be and he held his own,

1756
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: you know. So now he goes from being probably a

1757
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: sixth or seventh round pick. Because I'll say this, when

1758
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 1: you're a scout, you going to a D three school

1759
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 1: and you put a six or se thround, great, and

1760
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 1: guy you're you're you're putting your name out there on

1761
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: a guy you know, because you're because of that the

1762
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 1: difference account. So now he's probably gonna go talking to

1763
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: teams down here. The last gual, he's probably going in

1764
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: the third round. So he jumped three full rounds of

1765
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: four full rounds. He's made he's made a lot of money. Yeah. Hey, um,

1766
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, Josh Allen at the Senior Bowl.

1767
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: What do you recall about his performance here? I know,

1768
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 1: I think that was before you took over as executive director,

1769
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: But you remember the scouting reports on him and maybe

1770
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: got an idea of how he was playing in Mobile

1771
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: that week and I would translate to the NFL. Sure,

1772
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: So I do remember. It was my It was my

1773
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 1: last year in Seattle before I took took the Senior

1774
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: Bowl job. I mean physically, all that stuff stood out.

1775
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: So you get done on the field with them, and

1776
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,600
Speaker 1: it's one thing to see an arm on tape, but

1777
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 1: just to be down in the field and you can

1778
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 1: hear that. I know, you played with some quarterbacks that

1779
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: like Mike Tyler. Forget being in Green Bay my first

1780
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 1: job and seeing Brett farbthrow and you could literally hear

1781
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: the ball whiz basted you and you're like whoa. Um,

1782
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: And Josh has that kind of arm. You know, he's

1783
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: such a big, strapping guy too, and see him moved,

1784
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: So all that stuff sticks out. He was really good

1785
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 1: by behind the scenes. I had to interview him for

1786
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: the for the Seahawks. He was great and he really

1787
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 1: helped himself because that last year, you guys know it Wyoming.

1788
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 1: You know, statistically it wasn't as great. Um. He lost

1789
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: some good people off that team. Jacob Hollister was off

1790
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: that team, and the running back got drafted, so and

1791
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: I equate this year, Jordan Love is in a very

1792
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: similar spot. You know. Jordan Love is a sophomore through

1793
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: thirty two touchdowns and six picks, had great tape as

1794
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: a sophomore, came into this year nine starters on offense left.

1795
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 1: His offensive line was patchwork, you know, no skill guys

1796
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 1: to throw too. And I've made made the comment that

1797
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever seen a quarterback go

1798
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: from college to the NFL and throw into bigger windows

1799
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 1: as a pro than he threw into in college. So

1800
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: he's getting he's getting banged right now for throwing seventeen picks. Well,

1801
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 1: you know what, he's trying to make plays. I mean,

1802
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: he's trying to make please, trying to win games. They're

1803
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 1: down in games, there's no windows. He's trying to force

1804
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: it in. To me, that's not a decision making things.

1805
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 1: That's a guy trying to be a playmaker. And I

1806
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: and I and Josh got all the way back up

1807
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 1: into the top ten. I don't know if Jordan will

1808
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: get all the way back up there. But he was

1809
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 1: a first round pick going in through the summer, you know,

1810
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 1: and then they have the coaching turnover and all this stuff,

1811
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: and now he probably slid out of the first I

1812
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: know he's gonna get back in after the Senior Bowl.

1813
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: I want to see, like how high he goes. How

1814
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: many guys in this particular draft do you see as

1815
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 1: being instant difference makers? Does it Joe down outside the

1816
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: top ten? Ors are just maybe four or five? No? Three, No,

1817
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: it'll be outside the top ten. Yeah, there's gonna be

1818
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 1: you know, you know every draft, like least year, Terry

1819
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: McLaurin goes in the late third round and he steps

1820
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: on the field and you know, if they don't have

1821
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: some issues at quarterback, you know, Terry would have a

1822
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 1: thousand yard year. I think he finished right under a

1823
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 1: thousand yards as a rookie. So yeah, there's gonna be

1824
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: really good guys that come into make an impact. And again,

1825
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 1: you know, the smart teams kind of played to their strength.

1826
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: So where you where you pick a guy, get him

1827
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 1: into a role and get impact from him. But you know,

1828
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: you talk about elite, elite players. I think the two

1829
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: defensive tackles Javon Kinlaw from South Carolina and Derek Brown

1830
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: from Auburn are going to be household names here in

1831
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Both are really really high end players.

1832
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's a really good receiver class. It's a

1833
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,759
Speaker 1: it's a great receiver class. Us um. You know, Jeffrey

1834
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: a coup To, the cornerback from Ohio State is elite.

1835
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: So Jeffrey uh not Jeffrey Simmons. I was last year's

1836
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: d tackle um. Isaiah Simmons, the safety linebacker hybrid player

1837
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 1: from Clemson's phenomenal number eleven kids. Yeah Clemson, Yeah, you

1838
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: just lined him up anywhere. He's hard to watch on

1839
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:18,560
Speaker 1: tape because you can't find him and he am is

1840
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: in a different spoty And you haven't mentioned anything about

1841
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: the guys that will probably go one to Joe Burrow

1842
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 1: and who is Yeah, I glossed over those guys, didn't, right.

1843
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 1: I mean that those guys are are truly franchise changing players. Absolutely. No.

1844
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 1: Chase Young is is. Uh. It's kind of an easy

1845
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: guy to do because you watch tape last year with Bosa,

1846
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: and then you want and who had a great rookie

1847
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: year obviously, and then you watch Chase Young and it's

1848
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 1: so you can make kind of a similar comparison, and

1849
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,879
Speaker 1: then and then what Joe Burrow did was was phenomenal

1850
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: this year, Jim, and a guy. You know, the Bills

1851
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 1: need playmakers receivers, Yes, but I'm interested in a tight

1852
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 1: end that I've heard you mentioned Chase Claypool from Notre

1853
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 1: Dame who's kind of remade his body since you had

1854
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: him in we will be able to go. Yeah. Again,

1855
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: I think the NFL is in a really cool spot

1856
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: right now with where they're at, the coaches are at

1857
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: is uh. You know, we're not labeling guys as much anymore.

1858
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: You know, Chase, Chase Claypool is just a big He's

1859
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 1: just a big mismatch guy in the past game. So

1860
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: whether he's a big wide out or a tight end,

1861
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: whatever you want up calling him. Um, he's a big,

1862
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,799
Speaker 1: strong dude that can go up and get the football.

1863
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's put on a bunch of weight, so

1864
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: he might be embracing this tight end thing, but he

1865
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 1: was a wide out at Notre Dame. Um in, a

1866
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 1: smart coordinator like Brian Dabele would find a role for

1867
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: that guy. Jim, Thanks good enjoy the week man. Yeah,

1868
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: we guys, I appreciate it. Thank you. Jim Nagy, Executive

1869
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 1: director of the Reachs's Senior Bowl he'll be on ESPN

1870
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: this week as they're a draft analysts. We're coming back

1871
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: the more One goes fide from the NFL, come by

1872
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 1: the Navy. This is Buffalo, Bill gree Welcome back, One

1873
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 1: goes five, jum Ver m Cansterer. We're coming to the

1874
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 1: Alive from the NFL Combined in Indianapolis. It is really

1875
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny. It's day two on field, it's

1876
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 1: day four for us. It's our final day here at

1877
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 1: the Combine. I think we've it's been a great week

1878
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: and it's not over. Yeah, we got Kim Jones from

1879
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: NFL Network joining us at two o'clock, just a few

1880
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 1: minutes away. But kind of putting Jay's Dancing with the

1881
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: passers by. I don't like this music. I'm on the record.

1882
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: We listen to it. Hey, what were we gonna say?

1883
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 1: Oh um, it is the end of the week, but

1884
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: it's also the beginning of the workouts, right. It is

1885
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: interesting And I'll ask Kim Jones about this. How the

1886
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: league and the NFL Network kind of adjusted to having

1887
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Speaker 1: really the marquee event quarterbacks, wide receivers worked last night. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's an adjustment for everybody because usually they put

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Speaker 1: in a full day, you know, and then they can

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Speaker 1: kind of shut it down. But usually it was Saturdays.

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Speaker 1: Right this year, it's Thursday. Now it's you know, some

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Speaker 1: of these the coaches are they're up at five thirty

1893
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: getting ready for the day, and then you know, last

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Speaker 1: night there up they're in the stands till eleven thirty

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Speaker 1: at night, watching guys and finishing up. It's a it's

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Speaker 1: a really really long day. Um. You got coaches, assistant coaches,

1897
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Speaker 1: and the scouting departments. They're they're absolutely thriving on this atmosphere.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're getting a chance to look at these

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Speaker 1: guys really close. Um, and the coaches and general managers

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Speaker 1: and coaching staffs are getting an offensive and defensive coordinators stuff,

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Speaker 1: getting a chance to sit down and look at these

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Speaker 1: guys in the eye and ask them about their defenses

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Speaker 1: that they ran in college, ask them about plays, asking

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Speaker 1: them about players, the way they were coached, what they

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Speaker 1: were told. They love this. They're eating it up, and

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Speaker 1: you know, you and I are. You know, it's with

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01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: some good humor saying it's the most boring weekend of

1908
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Speaker 1: the year. I didn't say that. I'm off the air.

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Speaker 1: I feel it in my heart, does not how many

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Speaker 1: guests you think we've had on the show, including Kim

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Speaker 1: Jones tomorrow just from Tuesday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and today

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Speaker 1: Tausany Thursday, four h nineteen. Was gonna say twelve nineteen

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Speaker 1: guests and we're not done yet, Kim Jones coming up.

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Speaker 1: But think of the people we've had, Tom talesco. I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna give you the highlights. San Diego Chargers, GM,

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Speaker 1: Mark Ross former GM, Daniel Jeremiah frank Wright head coach, Imerturnment,

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Speaker 1: head coach Brandon Being, GM, Mike Tannenbaum former GM, Field

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Speaker 1: YESPN Matt Bowen, Jordan Palmer. We've had a ton of

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Speaker 1: great guests here. We haven't gotten down we have today

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Speaker 1: because they're on the field yesterday, gotten down to the

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Speaker 1: nitty gritty, and we're not gonna sit up here from now.

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Speaker 1: We had seven weeks until the draft. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to be the guys who can recite forty times and

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Speaker 1: how many times you know he bench pressed two ing

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Speaker 1: to twenty five pounds. We'll cover the draft, but I

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Speaker 1: think our stuff all week has been and will continue

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Speaker 1: to be next seven weeks kind of bigger picture stuff,

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Speaker 1: what we'll need, how does this guy fit there need?

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Speaker 1: And maybe maybe I'd say maybe we maybe we deserve

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Speaker 1: some criticism for not being those guys who can name

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Speaker 1: off all these scouting things. But I'll tell you, in

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Speaker 1: this atmosphere, it's never been something that is interested me

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Speaker 1: unless it was me right thirty five years ago or

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Speaker 1: wherever however long it was. But in this atmosphere of particunity.

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Speaker 1: This year, there's so much talk about the CBA and

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Speaker 1: whether that'll be ratified, and now that we're in a

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Speaker 1: position whereas a playoff team with the Buffalo Bills, there's

1938
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Speaker 1: a lot of possibilities going forward about what they're gonna

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Speaker 1: do in this draft. They're released from that quarterback sweepstakes

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Speaker 1: that they were in two years ago. Yeah, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: get out of it right. And now last year and

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Speaker 1: this year, there's so many I don't know its established

1943
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are out there, and the fact that you're

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01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,719
Speaker 1: not in that opens up a world of different players

1945
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 1: that you could go out and grab and build your team.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a much different atmosphere and landscape than it

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Speaker 1: has been for Bills teams in the past. We think

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Speaker 1: the Bills. Will we think they'll get a receiver? Maybe

1949
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Speaker 1: they go in the first round. Our Twitter poll today,

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Speaker 1: what first round moved from the Bills would surprise you

1951
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Speaker 1: the most? It's seven hundred fifty votes in so far.

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Speaker 1: Five percent of you say if the Bill's draft an

1953
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Speaker 1: offensive position with their first round pick, but not a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, that would surprise you. Thirty one percent say

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Speaker 1: if the Bills drafted a defensive position and not an

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Speaker 1: edge rusher, that would surprise you. Nineteen percent say trading

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Speaker 1: up or down would surprise you. Fifteen percent say did

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Speaker 1: not draft a wide receiver would surprise you. So yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: let let me get to some of those are some

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Speaker 1: of the answers on the Twitter poll. But let's take

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Speaker 1: a look at some of the answers on the tweet sheet.

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Speaker 1: Folks have some ideas of what they think the most

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Speaker 1: surprising moves. Bryant. The tweet sheet, by the way, is

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Corgan Moving Systems, official movers of

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Brian tweets in given our needs in

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Speaker 1: depth at wide receiver in the draft, I would be

1967
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Speaker 1: the most shock if we trade up in the first round.

1968
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Speaker 1: There are so many good wide wide receivers in the draft,

1969
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Speaker 1: there's little to no reason to trade up on the

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Speaker 1: first round. Maybe in the late rounds, but not in

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Speaker 1: rounds one or two. Okay, it's a good point of view,

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Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense that you know, don't trade up.

1973
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Speaker 1: But then again, you never know what they think about

1974
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Speaker 1: these guys, right, I mean, if the best guy in

1975
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Speaker 1: the draft, who we've the guys we've spoken to, is

1976
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 1: said Jerry Judy is a complete wide receiver who's got

1977
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 1: it all, ran fast or fast enough anyway, catches everything, athletic,

1978
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 1: completely polished. The first ten picks, right, well, what if

1979
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 1: he did? What if he's not gone until like what

1980
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: if he's still on the board like eighteen, that's not

1981
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 1: first ten, they'll be gone, I know. But what if

1982
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Speaker 1: he's gone. What if he's still there at pick eighteen?

1983
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Speaker 1: If and you can get on the way home, I mean,

1984
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Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen, Steve, he's going in the first

1985
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 1: ten picks? He might, he might, he might not, he

1986
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 1: might not. Also, from the tweet sheet from go Builders,

1987
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Speaker 1: the only thing that would really surprise me is if

1988
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 1: they move back. I almost expect being to trade up

1989
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: a second round wide receiver will be fine. I could

1990
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Speaker 1: see them grabbing an offensive tackle, a strong side linebacker,

1991
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: or even some kind of hybrid defensive back. But if

1992
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Speaker 1: there's a first round guy, if there's a first round

1993
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Speaker 1: guy like that, a dB like that. So yeah, that

1994
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that you'd be surprised if

1995
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Speaker 1: if an elite player drops down to the twenties or

1996
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 1: in the high teams. And you're right, um, it's going

1997
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 1: to be fascinating to see which of the players elbows

1998
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 1: somebody out of the top ten, you know what I mean.

1999
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Speaker 1: Ed Oliver fell to the Buffalo Bills at number nine

2000
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Speaker 1: last year, and that was a surprise for a lot

2001
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 1: of people. And I think the Bills were We knew it.

2002
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 1: They were high five in each other when ed Oliver

2003
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: was not picked at number eight, and uh and they

2004
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: snatched him up there. That could happen again, although like

2005
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Speaker 1: we said, when you're picking twenty two, anything can happen. Yeah,

2006
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Speaker 1: you know what, Goldbiller's tweet got me thinking about two.

2007
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 1: They're really I don't have a sense of what the

2008
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: book is on Brandon Bean in the first round of

2009
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: the draft, or the Bills for that matter. Sean McDermott included,

2010
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 1: I mean, think about Sean McDermott. The first first round

2011
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 1: he was in with the Bills, they traded down, right,

2012
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 1: they moved from ten to twenty seven, took tradevius, so

2013
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: they traded down on the first round. The next year,

2014
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Speaker 1: they had to move up to get Josh Allen. Gave

2015
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: away some assets to get Josh Allen. Last year they

2016
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Speaker 1: had to move up a little bit to get at Oliver. Right, No,

2017
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Speaker 1: didn't they know. They stayed right at nine to get

2018
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Speaker 1: at Oliver. So they've gone three different ways in the

2019
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Speaker 1: last three years in the draft, so to say, And

2020
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Speaker 1: he didn't say this, but he says, I almost expect

2021
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 1: being to trade up. Well, why that's not in the background, right,

2022
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you can say that. And a

2023
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 1: lot of it we as we know and had gotten

2024
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Speaker 1: to find out. A lot of it has to do

2025
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Speaker 1: with what's available to do, trade up, trade down, what

2026
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Speaker 1: teams are doing. We had no idea Kansas City was

2027
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,640
Speaker 1: so sold on mahomes two years ago. And you know,

2028
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Speaker 1: they were one of the few teams who were and

2029
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 1: turned out pretty well for them, pretty good for them.

2030
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Speaker 1: All Right, We're gonna take a break and when we

2031
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Speaker 1: come back. Kim Jones, NFL Network reporter. She's on the

2032
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Speaker 1: field last night for the first on field workout. She'll

2033
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Speaker 1: be there again tonight and Saturday and Sunday. Kim Jones,

2034
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Speaker 1: good friend of the show. Coming up next. Here on

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Speaker 1: One Goes Live, presented by Kalidah Health from the NFL

2036
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Speaker 1: Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Hello,

2037
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Speaker 1: Bills Radio Network story update. The update comes from the

2038
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Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. D two on the field

2039
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: at the Combine today, Bills are going to spend another

2040
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Speaker 1: day interviewing several prospects and looking over the workouts on

2041
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Speaker 1: the field they started for this afternoon. Offensive lineman, running back,

2042
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Speaker 1: special teamers scheduled work out across the street Lucas Oil

2043
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Speaker 1: Stadium Tonight NFL Network we'll have coverage of that with

2044
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: the team players doing a vertical jump, broad jump forty

2045
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Speaker 1: our dash position drills. Defensive linemen and linebackers will do

2046
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 1: the bench press today that should be starting in about

2047
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 1: the next forty five minutes or so. Defensive backs will

2048
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 1: be wait and measured, May and a chance to talk

2049
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Speaker 1: to one of them. Antoine Winfield Junior, the son of

2050
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 1: former Bill's great Antron Winfield. Talk with him a little

2051
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: bit today, has very little collection of growing up in Buffalo,

2052
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 1: spent the first six years of his life while his

2053
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,719
Speaker 1: dad played for the Buffalo Bills. Last night, Alabama wide

2054
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 1: receiver Henry Ruggs, the Third flashed rare speed at the

2055
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 1: scouting combine. He was considered to be one of the

2056
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Speaker 1: fastest players in this year's draft, officially ran a four

2057
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 1: two seven forty yard dash, the record set by former

2058
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 1: Washington wide receiver John Ross, currently with the Cincinnati Bengals.

2059
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 1: He ran a four two forty yard dash back three

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01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 1: years ago. Michael Turk, a putterer from Arizona State, put

2061
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Speaker 1: up twenty five repetitions of two hundred twenty five pounds

2062
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 1: in the bench press yesterday. His twenty five reps more

2063
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: than current NFL players like Frank Clark, Jadamon Clowney, DeMarcus Lawrence,

2064
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Speaker 1: Devin White, Chandler Jones, and Michael Bennett. Justin Herbert's quarterback

2065
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Speaker 1: from Oregon, one of the stars of last night's workout

2066
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Speaker 1: at a good night. Cede Lamb, wide receiver from Oklahoma

2067
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 1: also had a good night last night. The first day

2068
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 1: of the onfield workouts again. They'll do it again tonight

2069
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:56,679
Speaker 1: with offensive linemen and running backs and special teamers. Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Savers at the Las Vegas Golden Nights tonight ten o'clock

2071
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 1: face off, the second of two meetings this season between

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Speaker 1: the teams. Last meeting, the Savers beat Vegas four to

2073
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: two back in Buffalo in mid January. This is the

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Speaker 1: sixth game all time between Buffalo and Vegas. Savers have

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Speaker 1: one two, lost, one and tied two. Savers one and

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Speaker 1: one on the road against the Golden Knights Savers ten

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Speaker 1: o'clock tonight at Las Vegas Tomorrow night. Their road trip

2078
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Speaker 1: continues with a game at Arizona. That is a nine

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Speaker 1: o'clock face up. And that is the update from the

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Speaker 1: NFL scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Oh a great time, laste

2081
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Speaker 1: tasper TEXTI textime textosto over time, welcome back, one thing

2082
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 1: a sign presented by Combina. Help for coming here from

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Speaker 1: the NFL scouting Combine in Indianapolis, and Steve and I

2084
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:56,720
Speaker 1: have a familiar face on the line. She joins us

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Speaker 1: all the time in Archer Park, joining us now here

2086
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 1: in indian NFL never for quarter Kim Jones, you were

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01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 1: on the field last night, in there and run a

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01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 1: couple of routers. Yes, I wanted to. I wanted to

2089
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Speaker 1: try to catch a ball from Jordan Love like a

2090
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 1: lot of other people are going to do. Um. I

2091
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 1: love you guys so much that I am pre makeup

2092
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 1: also warning to everyone watching, but we'll deal with it.

2093
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Speaker 1: How's that you get a chance? You're one of the

2094
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: trusted few who get to go down on the field

2095
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 1: and yeah, and you're kind of there give us because

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Speaker 1: we watched on TV and we get cutshots and the directors,

2097
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of give us what we they

2098
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 1: wants to see. What do you see down there that

2099
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: maybe the rest of us don't. Well. I love interacting

2100
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 1: with the players when they first come in. For example,

2101
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks, I'll check are you doing everything today?

2102
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: Or are you at least throwing? You know a quarterback

2103
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do the jumps doesn't always affect you know,

2104
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,600
Speaker 1: anything very much in some cases, but the throwing is

2105
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 1: obviously the most important thing for many positions. The forty

2106
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: You know, are you running the forty? T Higgins candidly

2107
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: surprised me yesterday when he did not participate. Now, I

2108
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: could have just been behind in that news, but to

2109
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 1: not see him in that great receiver group, I think

2110
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a disappointment because he's

2111
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 1: really really good among a lot of really really good

2112
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 1: Henry Huggs Ruggs leaving with it was upper right leg,

2113
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 1: so I'm not exactly clear, but huge ice on it

2114
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 1: after the forties disappointing. You want to see him run route.

2115
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:23,760
Speaker 1: So that's what I get to see that I'm so

2116
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 1: lucky about, and I get to interact. I will say this,

2117
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:28,599
Speaker 1: and I know it does not affect Buffalo, nor should

2118
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: it unless he's an opponent. Tua makes as good a

2119
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:35,719
Speaker 1: first impression as you can, and I understand he didn't

2120
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 1: have drills to prepare for. He was there certainly as

2121
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 1: a spectator. If anything, well, he was a spectator and

2122
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 1: then someone supporting the other quarterbacks to some degree. But

2123
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: makes a wonderful impression. I can see initially why teams

2124
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 1: love him, and then they love him for a million

2125
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 1: reasons more than include football. Yeah, it's interesting too, because

2126
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:55,599
Speaker 1: you see these guys come out and it is disappointing

2127
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:57,600
Speaker 1: not to see him run, and it'll be interesting to

2128
01:38:57,640 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 1: see particularly a draft like this one where the wide

2129
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 1: receivers are so deep. Ye, the guys who choose not

2130
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 1: to participate, you wonder a little because it's easier. It

2131
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 1: makes it easy for the scouts to see him stack

2132
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 1: up right next to him, you know, and for me,

2133
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 1: the only chance they'll ever get to see those guys

2134
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: competing together. Agreed one hundred percent. In fact, I think

2135
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:18,839
Speaker 1: there's some notion out there should they have almost competitive forties,

2136
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know, players running side by side, as

2137
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:25,200
Speaker 1: opposed to one after the other after the other. Someone

2138
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 1: mentioned to me last night he would like to see

2139
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:30,640
Speaker 1: the receivers run beginning in their football stands, not in

2140
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,600
Speaker 1: the sprinters stands, because that's how they want them to

2141
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 1: see them take off from the line. So I think

2142
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: those sorts of things are interesting when we talk about receivers.

2143
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 1: I will say this though, for a guy who maybe

2144
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,679
Speaker 1: sits out or maybe doesn't have his best day, there's

2145
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 1: a Chase Claypool from Notre Dame who had a wonderful

2146
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 1: day forty and a half inch vertical at I think

2147
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 1: two thirty eight in a shade over sixty four, then

2148
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 1: ran very very well, Yeah, very well. I think it

2149
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 1: ended up being officially a four four two And I

2150
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 1: know that splitting hairs, but that stuff's gonna matter for

2151
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: a guy like that, who showed that he's really fast,

2152
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 1: really good guy. Like many many players in this draft,

2153
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 1: guys um and this combine, of course, he has a

2154
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 1: story his older sister committed suicide. That was obviously something

2155
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 1: he struggled with. He was thirteen at the time, so

2156
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:22,639
Speaker 1: but many many players in this draft have those kinds

2157
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 1: of family situations or life situations where teams are telling

2158
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 1: me interviews are so important because that kind of traumatic thing.

2159
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about any player when I say that,

2160
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 1: I'm talking generally. You know, you have to make sure

2161
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 1: you know how that player has handled it and will

2162
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 1: handle it. You have to, frankly make sure that player

2163
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:46,679
Speaker 1: you know has handled it because right, and then there's

2164
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 1: a flip side, because there's a very prominent GM who

2165
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:50,719
Speaker 1: said to me, when you give me a player who's

2166
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 1: gone to adversity, that's the one I want to sign

2167
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:55,640
Speaker 1: long term because they've already been through something. And there

2168
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 1: are and I bring this up because multiple teams have

2169
01:40:59,120 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 1: said to me in doing their prep for the combine,

2170
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: they were struck by the number of players who've either

2171
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 1: already lost a parent in some cases through violence, who

2172
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 1: have gone through homelessness, who have obviously come up with

2173
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 1: hard upbringings. And that's part of this too, and that, John,

2174
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 1: to answer your question, is a little bit of what

2175
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 1: I try to bring to the coverage. We have plenty

2176
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 1: of people, led by Daniel Jeremiah, who can break down

2177
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,760
Speaker 1: all of these players and give you the football once

2178
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 1: in a while we talk a little bit for a

2179
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:30,679
Speaker 1: few seconds about their life story. Kim Jones from NFL Networks,

2180
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 1: you'll be on the field for the network today when

2181
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,680
Speaker 1: they begin the two of the on field workouts at

2182
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 1: four o'clock this afternoon. I had the experience you sound

2183
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:40,880
Speaker 1: you were talking about guys not working out last night.

2184
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:43,800
Speaker 1: Producer j didn't work out last night, didn't Jay Harris

2185
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 1: and I walked in the Lucas Hill Stadium last night

2186
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,679
Speaker 1: and immediately they announced that Tee Higgins will not be running,

2187
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 1: and I was like, let's turn around and go that's

2188
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 1: kind of what we're going Wonder if teams have that reaction,

2189
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:56,640
Speaker 1: like you know, they're going to get the forty years eventually, right,

2190
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 1: and they're going to get them to work out. But

2191
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 1: did they think to themselves, well, what's the point? What

2192
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 1: are we doing here? Did we just throw him off

2193
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 1: the off the chart? Now? I don't know that would

2194
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 1: that part would probably surprise me. They have an awful

2195
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 1: lot of tape to watch the shows. He's a really

2196
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:10,840
Speaker 1: good receiver, but it's a very deep and very good

2197
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 1: receiver class. So Daniel Jeremiah has made the point in

2198
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,880
Speaker 1: the fourth round, you're going to get a guy who

2199
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 1: has the potential to contribute immediately. Sure that happens sometimes,

2200
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 1: but I don't know that that's something that we go

2201
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 1: into a draft thinking about most position groups. So you

2202
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 1: talked about a Claypool from Notre Dame who ran He's

2203
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, he's the guys you know, an anomaly. Yes

2204
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:37,760
Speaker 1: he is, so guys like him. Just um, just who

2205
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 1: is the kid Justin Herbert who While some people as

2206
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 1: a throwing quarterback are Love, I think Jordan Love has

2207
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 1: helped himself along the way here, including leading up to

2208
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 1: the combine. He is the player that when I ask

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01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 1: you know which quarterback intrigues you? Right? And and that's

2210
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 1: a different question because with that question, you're you're not

2211
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,559
Speaker 1: going to say Joe Burrow. You're not going to say

2212
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 1: too h necessarily, you're not gonna say Herbert probably. Um.

2213
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 1: But when a lot of people, you know, more than

2214
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 1: a small sample of people are saying Jordan love and

2215
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 1: are predicting that when he throws, we're gonna love him more.

2216
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 1: And I think that's exactly what happened. He's going to

2217
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 1: go in the first round. I think Eason could go

2218
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 1: in the first round. He he is a little more

2219
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:22,000
Speaker 1: refining to do from what I understand overall, but he

2220
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 1: has an absolute canon. And you know, you know, teams

2221
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:31,439
Speaker 1: love quarterbacks for big so you're telling me that's a

2222
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 1: big number and number and how many of those guys dropped?

2223
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 1: So the Bills said at twenty we're you know, so

2224
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 1: self serving her The Bill said, at twenty two. Are

2225
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 1: there going to be some teams behind us that are

2226
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:41,760
Speaker 1: still going to have it around one of those guys?

2227
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 1: And will you know I think they're cut? Yeah, I

2228
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 1: absolutely think. Plus there's gonna be some quality players that

2229
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: get dropped down that yes, that's and and if if

2230
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 1: if a tackle is there Now I don't know exactly,

2231
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, I don't know what Brandon Bean and

2232
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott are going to do. But if there's a

2233
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 1: tackle there there there are about there four tackles in

2234
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 1: this draft. Now it's a deep tackle draft, but there

2235
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 1: are four premier guys. If the quarterbacks start to go early,

2236
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 1: maybe a tackle slides right. You know. Now, does that

2237
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,720
Speaker 1: become interesting to Buffalo? I don't I don't know that.

2238
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 1: I certainly think a receiver is going to be interesting

2239
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,400
Speaker 1: to Buffalo. A speed guy on the outside, and there

2240
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:20,719
Speaker 1: are plenty in this draft. A guy like People's Jones

2241
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 1: is going to be intriguing to teams. After yesterday helped

2242
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:27,760
Speaker 1: himself forty four inch vertical ran well for another big guy.

2243
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 1: Now with him, you have to say, well, someone texted me,

2244
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of back to his high school

2245
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:35,439
Speaker 1: for him. I believe he was a five star okay,

2246
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 1: but then but there was a portion in the middle

2247
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 1: there where maybe he didn't live up to whatever one

2248
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 1: thought he would be at Michigan. So why was that?

2249
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:45,680
Speaker 1: So they're going to come with some questions, they always do.

2250
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 1: But receiver wise, when you want one, and I have

2251
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 1: to believe Buffalo once at least one in this draft,

2252
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 1: and probably a big one, they're going to be there.

2253
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 1: So those are the guys who are kind of elevated

2254
01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:58,600
Speaker 1: that play mems I think has helped himself to what

2255
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:02,639
Speaker 1: about play that are like disappointments, you know, And maybe

2256
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons T Higgins and some of

2257
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 1: the other guys didn't participate, because they know what, I'm

2258
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 1: not my best I don't want to I don't want

2259
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:12,320
Speaker 1: to drop. So is there anybody who disappointed or well? Steve,

2260
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 1: I think you may had trouble sleeping last night because

2261
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 1: bad day. Well, I think you make a really good

2262
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:21,320
Speaker 1: point because by not participating, and I think you disappoint right,

2263
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 1: So I do think you can put him on the list. Listen.

2264
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 1: kJ Hamler of Penn State is a slot guy, so

2265
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: he may not be what Buffalo is looking for looking

2266
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 1: for in this draft, but he certainly could be what

2267
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:33,640
Speaker 1: some teams are looking for. And he didn't participate. Hamstring,

2268
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm told Minor he'll be ready by Pro day. But

2269
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 1: that's a disappointment. Um, did everyone put did everyone throw

2270
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 1: a montees through? Well? By the way, Um, listen, a

2271
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:44,880
Speaker 1: couple of the quarterbacks I think they might have had.

2272
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 1: This is me talking solely. I think they might have

2273
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:50,120
Speaker 1: had a little trouble filling the quarterback roster this year.

2274
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 1: It just felt like a few of them were there,

2275
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, because they needed a certain number. To be

2276
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:59,479
Speaker 1: honest with you, yeah, well, yeah, that's not going to

2277
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 1: work out. I think. I don't think that's all right now.

2278
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, there were a few others that yeah, and

2279
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 1: that The problem is, I'm sorry, you stand a guy

2280
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 1: like Patterson all of a sudden, you get him on

2281
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 1: the same field side like wow, yeah one of these Yeah,

2282
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:16,679
Speaker 1: you're standing next to Jordan Love, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2283
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 1: you mentioned too a not throwing, and yet he made

2284
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 1: an impression on you. That is your job on the field,

2285
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: and I love that part of my job. I think

2286
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 1: that's my job every day. I think that's my job

2287
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:26,599
Speaker 1: when I walk into locker room. Yeah, do you think

2288
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 1: teams are paying attention to that house. Yeah, I interact

2289
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:32,200
Speaker 1: with I think long teammates. I think with the quarterback.

2290
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,680
Speaker 1: You have to because some Oh this is what I

2291
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 1: should bring up with you guys. Um. So someone said

2292
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 1: to me about Jordan Love because everyone loves Jordan Love

2293
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 1: now right, They said, he is going to walk into

2294
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: a locker room and earn the respect and the love

2295
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 1: from his teammates a lot like Josh Allen. Now this

2296
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 1: person is seeing Josh Allen and the bills from Afar.

2297
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 1: It's not a bills person, So it's someone who's perceiving something.

2298
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 1: I think he's perceiving it pretty accurately, by the way. Sure,

2299
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 1: because Josh, in my view, every time I've been there,

2300
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 1: I feel that he is very respected and loved within

2301
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 1: that locker room. But I found that an interesting comp

2302
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:09,479
Speaker 1: when it comes to Jordan Love also a big arm,

2303
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 1: not as big a body as as Josh. But I

2304
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 1: thought that that was interesting and a compliment really to

2305
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:16,600
Speaker 1: both players. I can think about it, yeah, and I

2306
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:19,160
Speaker 1: think you're right. It is important. And I know I've

2307
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:21,320
Speaker 1: heard it in years past where they say, Nanny, did

2308
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 1: you see that kid on On get the combine? Yep,

2309
01:47:25,080 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 1: he was the kid who was leading the group. You know.

2310
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams was that guy. He's going to be on

2311
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:34,720
Speaker 1: our coverage Sunday along with Deon Sanders. Um. In terms

2312
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:36,799
Speaker 1: of the analyst, it's hard to say along with Dean's

2313
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 1: the headlight or Jabal would be there along with Deon,

2314
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 1: but um, he'll be here, and I described him in

2315
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:45,200
Speaker 1: his combine as the most natural leader I had seen

2316
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 1: at this event, because he was rallying the Dbs even

2317
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:51,720
Speaker 1: though we all know they're competing against each other, and

2318
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: he was comfortable doing that. We were talking to Greg

2319
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 1: former Bill's head coach. Oh really, and we said we

2320
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,519
Speaker 1: had had a jamal the Super Bowl in Atlanta two

2321
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:06,160
Speaker 1: years ago, and he sat down with us and we

2322
01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:08,160
Speaker 1: couldn't stop talking about the guy. You know, he's one

2323
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 1: of those guys even though he's a division opponent, he's

2324
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: gonna be he's gonna be playing against the Bills for

2325
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:15,240
Speaker 1: ten years. You wish he was on your team. Yeah,

2326
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:17,720
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys. He's now standing young yea,

2327
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 1: and the Bills have pretty good safeties. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2328
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 1: I understand that. Ye about today tonight four pm today,

2329
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:27,479
Speaker 1: Offensive linemen and running backs, anybody in particular you're interested in.

2330
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm interested in seeing Beckton the big tackle. I think

2331
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy nine pounds to me, let's just

2332
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:36,880
Speaker 1: round it up to three eighty. I mean, let's be honest,

2333
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 1: but out of Louisville. I want to see him because

2334
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:43,400
Speaker 1: he is described as athletic with nimble feet. Nimble feet

2335
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't have nimble feet and I don't wait, you

2336
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:49,160
Speaker 1: know it's three seventy nine. Um, I'm interested to see

2337
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 1: him the way they move because you know, Steve, you

2338
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 1: know this, They're gonna look so much more athletic than

2339
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,040
Speaker 1: they have any right to look at that size, which

2340
01:48:56,080 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 1: is that part's amazing. McKay Beckton out of Louisville. I'm

2341
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 1: interested to see him. There are three other tackles that

2342
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:04,439
Speaker 1: I want to see too, that everyone wants to see. Two.

2343
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:07,120
Speaker 1: I'll forget all of their names, but Georgia is one

2344
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 1: of them. Iowa and Uh and Alabam think. Yeah, there's

2345
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:14,599
Speaker 1: a Worfs, there's a Will's Yeah, and there's a Thomas

2346
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:17,080
Speaker 1: absolutely yeah. Here's the thing too and I and for

2347
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:20,000
Speaker 1: our listeners, I mean, we we hang around the league

2348
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 1: and we see these guys and you kind of get

2349
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,599
Speaker 1: immune to how big and strong, fast and nimble they are.

2350
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:26,840
Speaker 1: But for most people out in the real world, these

2351
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 1: guys a guy who's and it literally is true, three

2352
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 1: seventy nine, he could outrun most people on the street. Yeah, uh,

2353
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,800
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a they're a different cat. Yes.

2354
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 1: And to play left tackle in the NFL, you're you're

2355
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 1: genetically set apart. You're tall, you know, you're Tony Boselli tall,

2356
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:48,519
Speaker 1: You're you know, Jackie Slater tall, and you can move right. Um.

2357
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:52,719
Speaker 1: So it's fun to see these twenty year old, twenty

2358
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:54,600
Speaker 1: one year old guys walk in here. And when we

2359
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:56,639
Speaker 1: talk about freaks, a lot of times we talk about

2360
01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:00,559
Speaker 1: like the great athlete, fine tune, little body fat. These

2361
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:05,600
Speaker 1: guys are great athletes exactly exactly, And there's gonna be

2362
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:08,120
Speaker 1: depth here. You may not get the premier guy, you're

2363
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:10,160
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get developmental guys. I'll tell you

2364
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:12,439
Speaker 1: one guy who intrigues me. And if Brandon Bean we're

2365
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 1: sitting here, he may tell me I'm so far off

2366
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:16,360
Speaker 1: track and that's okay. And he would be right by

2367
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:19,120
Speaker 1: the way if he would say that about anything I say.

2368
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 1: But Alex Taylor out of South Carolina State, he started

2369
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 1: at Appalachian State, wanted to play basketball, so he goes

2370
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:29,840
Speaker 1: to South Carolina State. Then he misses football, so he

2371
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 1: stays at that school but plays football. He is a tackle.

2372
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:36,200
Speaker 1: He is six nine. He is six nine. He looks

2373
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 1: like he could play power forward for the Sixers. Six

2374
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:42,160
Speaker 1: nine and has thirty six and a half inch arms,

2375
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 1: Steve thirty six and a half inch arms. When I

2376
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:46,560
Speaker 1: see Alex today, because I talked to him at the

2377
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 1: at Mobile, I'm gonna stay to him. I forgot to

2378
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:50,519
Speaker 1: ask you a question. You know what the question is,

2379
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:53,519
Speaker 1: how do you buy shirts? Right? Right? Thirty six and

2380
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:56,320
Speaker 1: a half. But you know the arm length because when

2381
01:50:56,360 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 1: I brought him up to someone in Mobile and you

2382
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:01,960
Speaker 1: know then scouts and especially coaches aren't up to speed yet.

2383
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 1: And the person looked at me and said, Okay, he's

2384
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:05,559
Speaker 1: six nine, but to see of short arms because they

2385
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 1: love to bash away short arms, he's thirty six and

2386
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:11,600
Speaker 1: a half inch, those are not sure. Fine, That's what

2387
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So if like, let's say you take him late,

2388
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 1: is he worth it? Yeah, because if you've got a

2389
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:21,280
Speaker 1: motivated player who has athleticism at that size and you

2390
01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 1: can make him into a player who is serviceable for you,

2391
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:28,120
Speaker 1: he would create those issues for a defense. I'm not

2392
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:30,680
Speaker 1: saying I'm not seeing his baselli. I'm not saying he's

2393
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:34,280
Speaker 1: Anthony Muno's I'm saying, you know, there are intriguing guys

2394
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:38,240
Speaker 1: beyond the stars at this combine, and that tackle in particular,

2395
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:40,960
Speaker 1: one of the great phenomenons that happens at particularly at

2396
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 1: the combine. Maybe no place else may but you see

2397
01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 1: it as a as a trend in the league where

2398
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:52,360
Speaker 1: you get coaches a position, coaches, head coaches who see

2399
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:57,400
Speaker 1: these guys and you watch Justin Herbert throw or you know,

2400
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:00,599
Speaker 1: or you know, they see these guys and they stand

2401
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 1: out physically, and they haven't had great success at the

2402
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:05,160
Speaker 1: lower levels. You know, they've just been okay, and all

2403
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you see him and they've got this raw,

2404
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:13,519
Speaker 1: un unvarnished, unharnessed strength and skill and all the and

2405
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:16,160
Speaker 1: you see this phenomenon. All the coaches go, I can

2406
01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:19,240
Speaker 1: fix that exactly, I can coach that guy up. That's

2407
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:21,040
Speaker 1: what I want. I can get out of there. And

2408
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 1: that's a phenomenon that maybe goes down to the lower lovers,

2409
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:27,280
Speaker 1: but appear these guys make their living doing just that.

2410
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 1: And that's why this combine is so intriguing because a

2411
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 1: guy you know from I don't even know that the

2412
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:36,599
Speaker 1: cornerback's name from the little Division two guy that came

2413
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:39,000
Speaker 1: in and he was a late bloomer. Um. They got

2414
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,320
Speaker 1: these guys that come in from nowhere and it's like, yeah, okay,

2415
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:43,720
Speaker 1: and they explode onto a contact. Also, we never heard

2416
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 1: of him before, and all of a sudden we know

2417
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:47,360
Speaker 1: him for the next fifteen years. Kyle Dugger could be

2418
01:52:47,439 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 1: that that's the one I couldn't remember. How do you

2419
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:55,320
Speaker 1: say or rhyne? He's a he's a safety. Yeah, Kyle Dugger,

2420
01:52:55,560 --> 01:53:00,560
Speaker 1: he late bloomer Um kind of just burst onto the

2421
01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:02,960
Speaker 1: scene and he's been terrific and he fits in like

2422
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:07,600
Speaker 1: he fitten. No, you could not go. I'll tell you what.

2423
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:10,360
Speaker 1: There was a Division three kid and his name escapes

2424
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:13,800
Speaker 1: mean Kinsey maybe something like the receiver. Small guy though

2425
01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 1: looked like the guy that New England puts, you know,

2426
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 1: in the slot for Tom over the years. Um, he's

2427
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:22,000
Speaker 1: not here Division three. I think he's hoping to take

2428
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:24,160
Speaker 1: part in Georgia's pro day. And I'm doing a bad

2429
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:26,679
Speaker 1: job with the name, but I apologize. Mason Kinsey maybe

2430
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 1: or Kinsley. Uh, he's from very small school. He's not here, okay,

2431
01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 1: But he's the kind of guy that at the now

2432
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:40,040
Speaker 1: that was East West Shrines. So that's a little bit

2433
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:42,600
Speaker 1: different than Mobile. It's at a different level. But he

2434
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 1: looked like he fit. He fit right in, even though

2435
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 1: he didn't play with that level of competition. But you

2436
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 1: know what, he played confidently. He caught everything thrown his way,

2437
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:52,439
Speaker 1: and again he looked like the slot guy that a

2438
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:53,840
Speaker 1: lot of teams look for. If you get a kid

2439
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:55,639
Speaker 1: in here, no matter what he is name, he doesn't

2440
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 1: look like it's too big for him. Right, It says

2441
01:53:57,560 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 1: the first thing you need to know, and then you

2442
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:01,760
Speaker 1: say okay, yeah, and then well that's it was happening

2443
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:03,479
Speaker 1: to me when I didn't get invited to this either.

2444
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:05,200
Speaker 1: But you see guys all the time, and I was

2445
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 1: part of training camp for guys would come in. As

2446
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 1: long as you look like it's not too big for you,

2447
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna get keep giving you a chance and giving

2448
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:14,760
Speaker 1: you a chance to you know, make the most of

2449
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 1: the opportunity. Yeah, absolutely can. That's totally different topic. CBA

2450
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,960
Speaker 1: being voted on the next week or two by the

2451
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:24,640
Speaker 1: rank and follow the NFL Players Association, Right, do you

2452
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:27,000
Speaker 1: see any big changes? Is it more the same as it?

2453
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:29,679
Speaker 1: Just well carry on what they've been doing. The game

2454
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:32,840
Speaker 1: the seventeenth game would obviously be enormous. Um. I think

2455
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 1: the idea that you can have Pete Carroll will saying

2456
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 1: the other day, if you go from forty six to

2457
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:39,480
Speaker 1: forty seven or eight players active on game day. That's big.

2458
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:42,640
Speaker 1: You can help keep Pete's point, which was I thought

2459
01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 1: a good one. You can help keep players healthier than

2460
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 1: you can obviously deal with an injury, perhaps a little

2461
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:50,400
Speaker 1: bit differently than you feel like you have to now

2462
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:53,400
Speaker 1: in his view, I think practice squad's growing and allowing

2463
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 1: veterans on it. I don't know every rule there, but

2464
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:59,120
Speaker 1: practice squad we usually think of the first, second, third

2465
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:03,360
Speaker 1: year player right right. And then there's also the idea

2466
01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:05,839
Speaker 1: you can move them a couple of times without waiving

2467
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:08,120
Speaker 1: them right, and that would be helpful to teams. I

2468
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:11,000
Speaker 1: think anything that develops players and you know, and I'm

2469
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:14,480
Speaker 1: not on either side of the CBA. I'm frankly the

2470
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:16,680
Speaker 1: combine takes all of my time this time of year.

2471
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm not nearly educated enough beyond kind of what I

2472
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:21,080
Speaker 1: just said to you about it. But the one thing

2473
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:23,360
Speaker 1: I would think is a shame. Some of the players

2474
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 1: we just talked about are going to need development and

2475
01:55:26,680 --> 01:55:29,080
Speaker 1: you've already taken away so much of the teaching. Now.

2476
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm not big on a coach who has the power

2477
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:33,840
Speaker 1: to tell a player two weeks after the season. You know,

2478
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,640
Speaker 1: you're butt better be in the film room and working

2479
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:39,440
Speaker 1: on stuff. I understand players need time off and considerable

2480
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 1: time off, but the idea that you're going to completely

2481
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:45,160
Speaker 1: take away the teaching part of this. You are going

2482
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:50,200
Speaker 1: to do players, certainly marginal players a great disservice, A

2483
01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 1: great disservice that doesn't affect Aaron Rodgers. And I understand

2484
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:56,000
Speaker 1: that it certainly doesn't affect affect today's Aaron Rodgers. It

2485
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 1: never would have affected Aaron Rodgers. But it's going to

2486
01:55:58,440 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 1: affect and Alex Taylor, that small school tackle I just mentioned.

2487
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:04,680
Speaker 1: You know this kid from Division three who's unfortunately I

2488
01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:09,640
Speaker 1: can't remember his name him. Um, if if he doesn't

2489
01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 1: have a chance, if he doesn't get some some coaching

2490
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 1: and some help somebody within the new CBA widens the

2491
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:17,720
Speaker 1: gulf between the big stars Aaron Rodgers and the development

2492
01:56:18,640 --> 01:56:22,200
Speaker 1: to develop. Yeah, no, there's no six year veteran you

2493
01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:24,320
Speaker 1: know who's just kind of hanging on it. Well, we

2494
01:56:24,440 --> 01:56:26,040
Speaker 1: heard that I think in the last one that the

2495
01:56:26,120 --> 01:56:28,920
Speaker 1: middle class had kind of disappeared a little bit, and

2496
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:31,880
Speaker 1: um yeah, you know it's hard for me to come

2497
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:33,120
Speaker 1: in a whole lot of think It makes a lot

2498
01:56:33,120 --> 01:56:36,400
Speaker 1: of sense though, to have a practice squad place where

2499
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:39,080
Speaker 1: you can protect your players down back, because here's one

2500
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:40,720
Speaker 1: of the things that helps these guys develop as being

2501
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:44,280
Speaker 1: in the same building, in the same system, verbig and

2502
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:46,680
Speaker 1: getting a chance to get that under their belt before

2503
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 1: they start to expand their skill set. And and also

2504
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 1: the game day actives. Um I get that as well.

2505
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:55,720
Speaker 1: I heard they're gonna, you know, give them one more

2506
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:58,720
Speaker 1: offensive lineman to finish the game, that kind of thing.

2507
01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 1: But you know, that's all housekeeping, I think for most

2508
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:03,880
Speaker 1: of the players, you know, I would agree, and yet

2509
01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:07,440
Speaker 1: it could have longer term implications for them that are

2510
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:10,560
Speaker 1: positive conceivable. Yeah, it's hard to see like that being

2511
01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:13,400
Speaker 1: it's it's not a revolutionary, great change great players or

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01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:15,560
Speaker 1: the union. But so I'm but just what might be

2513
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:17,880
Speaker 1: a common sense one? Right, He's good. And here's the

2514
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:19,920
Speaker 1: thing too, for the ownership. You know, owners are like,

2515
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:21,800
Speaker 1: I don't care, just get them on the field somehow,

2516
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:24,000
Speaker 1: some way, right, because everybody else is gonna be doing

2517
01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:25,640
Speaker 1: the same thing. So whatever we do, it's all going

2518
01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:27,040
Speaker 1: to be fair and they're all going to be in

2519
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:29,840
Speaker 1: the same boat, so it'll be competitive. Yeah, absolutely, Kim,

2520
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 1: your schedule with the network has changed this year. We

2521
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:36,000
Speaker 1: moved to late afternoon prime time. How do you think

2522
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:38,879
Speaker 1: that's working out? And you used to have quarterbacks receivers

2523
01:57:38,920 --> 01:57:44,400
Speaker 1: on Saturdays? Yeah that's over. Well, yeah, flipped it. You know.

2524
01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:47,800
Speaker 1: The quarterbacks get get going on Night one with the

2525
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 1: prime time change on a Thursday night, which is a

2526
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 1: night that the NFL to some degree owns a large

2527
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:56,040
Speaker 1: part of the year. So I think that, Yeah, I

2528
01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:58,680
Speaker 1: think I think that makes sense, right, um, and then

2529
01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:01,480
Speaker 1: tonight we'll get running backs an old line, tomorrow the defense,

2530
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 1: and then like we said at two o'clock Sunday, the

2531
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 1: DBS will end things up. And they're always a crazy

2532
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:09,800
Speaker 1: group because dbs are crazy U. So yeah, I listen.

2533
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 1: I think it's going to take some adjustment for everyone,

2534
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:15,960
Speaker 1: including like really dumb things like when do you have

2535
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:18,160
Speaker 1: something to eat? You know what I mean? Like, I mean,

2536
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, I know that sounds funny, but yesterday there

2537
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:22,800
Speaker 1: was a point where it was like do I do

2538
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 1: I take a little break here to just eat something?

2539
01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:27,200
Speaker 1: You know? And that's just different, But it's all good.

2540
01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:29,400
Speaker 1: The players don't get any rest, they're they're all seat

2541
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:31,240
Speaker 1: up and then they roused him out of the thing.

2542
01:58:31,320 --> 01:58:34,000
Speaker 1: You can start doing interviews and they're they're arted around

2543
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 1: like they have groups that they're end Like there's six

2544
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks here there, twenty receivers here, twenty receivers over there,

2545
01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:43,680
Speaker 1: six quarterbacks over there, and they're herded around like sheep together. Yeah,

2546
01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:46,320
Speaker 1: in these little groups with a kind of shepherd guys,

2547
01:58:46,360 --> 01:58:48,440
Speaker 1: and they right now, we're doing this right. And I

2548
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:51,120
Speaker 1: don't know how conducive that is to putting these guys

2549
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:53,840
Speaker 1: on there. No, I think, Well, it was funny because

2550
01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:55,200
Speaker 1: we were on the field last night and I think

2551
01:58:55,200 --> 01:58:57,320
Speaker 1: I turned to my producer Laura Chatmick, and I said,

2552
01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:01,720
Speaker 1: it's ten thirty seven and they're running go routes, you

2553
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:04,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's ten thirty seven, you know.

2554
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 1: So I you know, But but if it gets more attention,

2555
01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:11,520
Speaker 1: First of all, it's great for the NFL, obviously great

2556
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:14,320
Speaker 1: for NFL Network where I work. But I do think

2557
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:17,720
Speaker 1: it could become a really fun event. It would not

2558
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 1: surprise me if there has to be a little bit

2559
01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:22,120
Speaker 1: of fine tuning with the new schedule. Yeah, and they'll

2560
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:24,160
Speaker 1: they'll learn and they'll learn right, Yeah, they'll learn how

2561
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:25,840
Speaker 1: to say Listen, we gotta do this different because these

2562
01:59:25,880 --> 01:59:27,840
Speaker 1: guys are and they'll get feedback from the players to

2563
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:31,360
Speaker 1: say listen, this, this, this, and they'll right, they'll smooth

2564
01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:34,320
Speaker 1: and from the teams and coaches and GM's yeah, absolutely

2565
01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:36,880
Speaker 1: always get better. Absolutely can. We got a long day.

2566
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:39,200
Speaker 1: We appreciate your starting so good. I need makeup, though

2567
01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:44,240
Speaker 1: I need makeup. I have my makeup on you n

2568
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:46,839
Speaker 1: Network reporters. Sh'll be there at four when the network

2569
01:59:46,920 --> 01:59:49,400
Speaker 1: starts there. I'm feeling coverage if that these workouts Kim

2570
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:51,440
Speaker 1: Jones and the NFL Network, Steve and I Coming Back

2571
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:54,280
Speaker 1: One goes Live, presented by Kalana Helm from the Scouting

2572
01:59:54,320 --> 02:00:05,000
Speaker 1: Combine and India. This is Buffalo Bill Free Welcome back again.

2573
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:07,560
Speaker 1: Our thanks to Kim Jones from NFL Network for joining

2574
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:12,080
Speaker 1: us today. John Murphy's Deep Tank. Yeah, the fans are here.

2575
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:14,400
Speaker 1: It's picked up. They've turned the music down and brought

2576
02:00:14,440 --> 02:00:16,440
Speaker 1: the fans in. I don't think these I don't think.

2577
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about this. I don't think you automatically

2578
02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:21,120
Speaker 1: get to go in and watch workouts, do you. I

2579
02:00:21,200 --> 02:00:23,200
Speaker 1: think they got like a they used to have witches

2580
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:24,800
Speaker 1: right there in the stands. They're gonna come in. Oh

2581
02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:26,640
Speaker 1: they can watch bench can watch, But you can't go

2582
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:28,720
Speaker 1: in Lucas Oil. We're not in Lucas LL Stadium. We're

2583
02:00:28,720 --> 02:00:31,080
Speaker 1: in the convention center. There's only so many things you

2584
02:00:31,160 --> 02:00:35,080
Speaker 1: can do. Yeah, and and you have although they do

2585
02:00:35,320 --> 02:00:38,280
Speaker 1: have it shooted so that like with our credentials, we

2586
02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:41,120
Speaker 1: have these little number of grid on there. Fans probably

2587
02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:43,520
Speaker 1: can just go in and get in the stands and watch.

2588
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can. They used to have

2589
02:00:45,320 --> 02:00:46,960
Speaker 1: like a lottery. Oh you know what it is. It's

2590
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:49,120
Speaker 1: a ticket. Yeah, but it's a free ticket. But I

2591
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:51,680
Speaker 1: think they a lot of many. Yeah, exactly, they only

2592
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:53,520
Speaker 1: give out so many. So it's like you know that

2593
02:00:54,240 --> 02:00:56,959
Speaker 1: you know, insurance or whatever. So there there are workouts

2594
02:00:57,080 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 1: at four o'clock this afternoon, Offensive Lineman Specialty, the big

2595
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:03,080
Speaker 1: boys are gonna come in. Lift. People want to see

2596
02:01:03,400 --> 02:01:05,320
Speaker 1: bench press right in here, right around the corner here.

2597
02:01:05,800 --> 02:01:09,680
Speaker 1: We're inside the Indiana Convention Center, downtown Indianapolis, wrapping up

2598
02:01:09,720 --> 02:01:11,600
Speaker 1: our week of coverage of the combine. We got a

2599
02:01:11,640 --> 02:01:13,600
Speaker 1: good Twitter poll today. We haven't spent enough time on it.

2600
02:01:13,880 --> 02:01:15,760
Speaker 1: We got time to get your phone calls and talk

2601
02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:18,520
Speaker 1: about this a little bit so far and a Twitter pole,

2602
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:22,240
Speaker 1: we've had eight hundred and fifteen responses. What's what's first

2603
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:24,920
Speaker 1: round moved to the Bills? Make that would surprise you

2604
02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:29,080
Speaker 1: the most? We offer a couple of suggestions. What do

2605
02:01:29,160 --> 02:01:30,920
Speaker 1: you think what would be a really shocking move for

2606
02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:33,760
Speaker 1: the Bills first round? Would it be drafting in a

2607
02:01:34,040 --> 02:01:37,560
Speaker 1: offensive position, not a wide receiver? Thirty five percent say that.

2608
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:41,040
Speaker 1: Would it be drafting a defensive possession and not an

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02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:44,080
Speaker 1: edge rusher thirty percent say yes, that would be a shock.

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02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:46,800
Speaker 1: Would it be trading up or down twenty percent say yes?

2611
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:49,120
Speaker 1: And it would it be not drafting a wide receiver

2612
02:01:49,160 --> 02:01:51,840
Speaker 1: at all? Fifteen percent say that's it. From the tweet sheet,

2613
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:54,120
Speaker 1: we've got people chiming in and from Rick, he says

2614
02:01:54,240 --> 02:01:56,400
Speaker 1: if they drafted a wide receiver in the first round,

2615
02:01:56,520 --> 02:01:59,760
Speaker 1: that would shock me the most. No way, this Brandon

2616
02:01:59,800 --> 02:02:01,920
Speaker 1: being is gonna go wide receiver in the first round.

2617
02:02:01,960 --> 02:02:05,480
Speaker 1: With how deep this class is. I think they target

2618
02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:08,680
Speaker 1: edge and go get LSU's Chase on by moving up

2619
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:14,160
Speaker 1: to fourteen or fifteen. Okay, that's a good thought. Everybody's

2620
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:16,840
Speaker 1: got draft strategy, and you know is that's our next

2621
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:19,400
Speaker 1: Twitter poll man? Yeah, we gotta do some draft stuff

2622
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:21,320
Speaker 1: last week. I think we should do some free agency

2623
02:02:21,320 --> 02:02:23,760
Speaker 1: stuff before we get deep into the draft. Though this

2624
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:29,800
Speaker 1: free agency is it two weeks sixteenth eighteen sixteenth negotiating time,

2625
02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:32,280
Speaker 1: and that'll be two weeks from Monday, so we'll get

2626
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:34,920
Speaker 1: into that as we play on the show live on

2627
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:36,960
Speaker 1: the air to the last two days of February. Yeah,

2628
02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:40,720
Speaker 1: there's another one from the tweet. Cheat Nikki said he's

2629
02:02:40,720 --> 02:02:43,240
Speaker 1: got an interesting point here. I would be most surprised

2630
02:02:43,240 --> 02:02:45,240
Speaker 1: if we took a running back. I know a few

2631
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:47,080
Speaker 1: mock drafts have I was taking a running back to

2632
02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:49,960
Speaker 1: compliments Singletary, and I get the appeal of having two

2633
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:52,440
Speaker 1: good backs, but I really think that would be a

2634
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:55,880
Speaker 1: poor choice when we have so many bigger needs. I'd

2635
02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:57,480
Speaker 1: be surprised if they get a running back in the

2636
02:02:57,520 --> 02:02:59,600
Speaker 1: first round. First of all, I don't know if anybody

2637
02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:02,120
Speaker 1: wants a first round and running back anymore, unless you

2638
02:03:02,200 --> 02:03:05,040
Speaker 1: know you're talking about Sequon Barkley. Secondly, I don't think

2639
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:07,560
Speaker 1: the Bills, although, and I guess I'm agreeing with Nikki,

2640
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:10,200
Speaker 1: although you'd like to see a complimentary back to h

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02:03:10,520 --> 02:03:12,560
Speaker 1: Devin Secletary, I don't know if the first round is

2642
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:15,000
Speaker 1: a place to get him, you agree, Steve, I agree, Yeah,

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02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:19,280
Speaker 1: running back is it's one of those positions still in

2644
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:22,680
Speaker 1: the lower levels and of football, and even around the NFL,

2645
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:25,320
Speaker 1: they're it's easy to find guys who can, who are

2646
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:27,480
Speaker 1: good with the ball in their hand, and that's what

2647
02:03:27,560 --> 02:03:29,080
Speaker 1: a running back does. I mean, you hand it to

2648
02:03:29,200 --> 02:03:32,520
Speaker 1: him or whether you throw it to him. There's a

2649
02:03:32,600 --> 02:03:34,640
Speaker 1: ton of those guys out there, and they're you know,

2650
02:03:34,800 --> 02:03:38,480
Speaker 1: by the by the sheer law of supply, you don't

2651
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:40,720
Speaker 1: have to spend many assets to get a guy who's

2652
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:43,200
Speaker 1: really good. Devin Singletary, wo's a really nice running back,

2653
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:46,800
Speaker 1: is a third rounder, so you know you get a

2654
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:49,840
Speaker 1: guy to compliment him in the first round. No, that's

2655
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:52,800
Speaker 1: crazy talk too much right going through the tweet sheet.

2656
02:03:52,840 --> 02:03:54,200
Speaker 1: By the way, the tweet sheet brought to you by

2657
02:03:54,520 --> 02:03:57,600
Speaker 1: Cargan Moving Systems, the official movers of the Buffalo Bills.

2658
02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:00,680
Speaker 1: It's fun from Justin, he says, I think drafting the

2659
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:03,880
Speaker 1: receiver would be the most surprising unless Judy Lamb or

2660
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:06,480
Speaker 1: Ruggs fall. I think there's too much value with other

2661
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:09,360
Speaker 1: positions depth at wide receiver to take a receiver in

2662
02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:12,120
Speaker 1: the first that's all right, unless, like you said, Murph,

2663
02:04:12,160 --> 02:04:14,920
Speaker 1: we had this conversation last second. If Judy Lamb and

2664
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:18,120
Speaker 1: Rugs probably ain't gonna be there. Well, but if I

2665
02:04:18,120 --> 02:04:20,320
Speaker 1: don't know, I think Judy won't be I don't know

2666
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:23,400
Speaker 1: about Ruggs. He's got the you know, four two seven.

2667
02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:25,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a first half of the

2668
02:04:25,680 --> 02:04:27,840
Speaker 1: first round pick. To be honest, I don't know. I

2669
02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:31,640
Speaker 1: told you what my initial impressions eyeball tests. I thought

2670
02:04:31,680 --> 02:04:33,560
Speaker 1: he was small. I thought he was slight up top.

2671
02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:35,880
Speaker 1: He's not the big guy, the big time, big bodied

2672
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:39,200
Speaker 1: wide receiver people are. The stereotype that people are pointing

2673
02:04:39,200 --> 02:04:41,360
Speaker 1: towards the Buffalo Bills is taken. Probably why he ran

2674
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:43,240
Speaker 1: at four two seven. To be honest with you, he's

2675
02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:48,000
Speaker 1: run fast when you don't weigh anything. And I don't

2676
02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, Ceede Lamb had a big day yesterday, but

2677
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody expected anything less. I guess he's

2678
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:55,840
Speaker 1: a first half of the first round guy. But um,

2679
02:04:56,640 --> 02:04:58,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's still too much still the draft.

2680
02:04:58,760 --> 02:05:00,320
Speaker 1: There's still time to sort this out, by the way

2681
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:01,840
Speaker 1: right here, and then we got one from Jack A.

2682
02:05:02,040 --> 02:05:06,000
Speaker 1: He says a trade either direction would surprise me. While

2683
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:08,680
Speaker 1: they have extra capital to play with, I doubt they

2684
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:11,400
Speaker 1: use it in round one to move up. I also

2685
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:13,920
Speaker 1: think they feel they'll get an excellent player at number

2686
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:16,200
Speaker 1: twenty two, and that feels that fills a need and

2687
02:05:16,280 --> 02:05:19,320
Speaker 1: therefore will be loath to move down unless the package

2688
02:05:19,800 --> 02:05:23,520
Speaker 1: is amazing. Yeah, and that and like you say, and

2689
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:26,480
Speaker 1: in all of these tweets, they're saying the same kind

2690
02:05:26,520 --> 02:05:29,040
Speaker 1: of the same thing. If this happens and that happens.

2691
02:05:29,240 --> 02:05:32,320
Speaker 1: Unless because there's so many things in play, I think

2692
02:05:32,360 --> 02:05:34,000
Speaker 1: what they're saying is the Bills can do anything. We

2693
02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:36,600
Speaker 1: can do any anything, Anything is possible at this point

2694
02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:38,480
Speaker 1: in twenty two in the draft, you can obviously there's

2695
02:05:38,520 --> 02:05:42,840
Speaker 1: plenty room to move up, and moving down or for

2696
02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:44,920
Speaker 1: the right package, I think we'd all be okay with that.

2697
02:05:46,240 --> 02:05:49,520
Speaker 1: And I think most of most Bills fans, given the

2698
02:05:49,600 --> 02:05:51,720
Speaker 1: track record of the last three years, would say, whatever

2699
02:05:51,800 --> 02:05:53,880
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean thinks is right, I'm willing to give him

2700
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:55,960
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. Let's go, you know, see

2701
02:05:55,960 --> 02:06:00,440
Speaker 1: what he has up his sleeve. They've I'm still in

2702
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:03,560
Speaker 1: the mind that they've drafted really well. There's some guys

2703
02:06:03,600 --> 02:06:06,440
Speaker 1: that aren't here now that they've drafted, no question, but

2704
02:06:06,640 --> 02:06:08,760
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of contributors, particularly at the top

2705
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:11,680
Speaker 1: end of these drafts, that are they're really really looking

2706
02:06:11,720 --> 02:06:14,480
Speaker 1: like players that are going to be a part of

2707
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:16,360
Speaker 1: your team for a decade. You know, we were talking

2708
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:19,960
Speaker 1: early in today's show Background Noon about maybe I think

2709
02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:21,720
Speaker 1: it was that long ago, you really don't have a

2710
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:24,480
Speaker 1: book on what al Brandon Bean or Sean McDermott handled

2711
02:06:24,480 --> 02:06:26,720
Speaker 1: the draft because they've traded up, they've traded down, and

2712
02:06:26,800 --> 02:06:29,720
Speaker 1: they forgot this, I guess momentarily And a tweet from

2713
02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:33,600
Speaker 1: Greg VORs TV and he reminds me being traded up

2714
02:06:33,720 --> 02:06:36,040
Speaker 1: not just to get Josh Allen, but they also moved

2715
02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:39,280
Speaker 1: up to get Tremaine Edmonds same year. So he's made

2716
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:42,240
Speaker 1: three moves up in two years, right, see, right, being

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Speaker 1: traded up to get Josh Allen, to get Tremaine Edmonds,

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Speaker 1: traded down to get the Tredavious White. No, that's two

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Speaker 1: moves up in three years. Yeah. Yeah, and think about it,

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02:06:52,200 --> 02:06:55,040
Speaker 1: because they moved down and took right Tredevious White, and

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02:06:55,080 --> 02:06:59,000
Speaker 1: they stayed put and took at Oliver. That the way

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Speaker 1: they got the Josh Allen pick. I mean, they was

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02:07:04,040 --> 02:07:06,880
Speaker 1: to trade like four times. Remember I mean Cordy Glenn

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02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:09,480
Speaker 1: was involved with that, moving up and moving aside starting

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Speaker 1: another month before, months and seasons before they started posturing

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Speaker 1: to get that, And it was a culmination of like

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Speaker 1: three trades, right I mean, and they were all up

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02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:22,720
Speaker 1: I want some to acquire more picks and then others,

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02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, just to flat and move up in the draft.

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Speaker 1: So it was a process that it took a long

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Speaker 1: time to get to, but they did it. And I

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02:07:33,080 --> 02:07:38,360
Speaker 1: think one thing that I've noticed, they explore those options

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Speaker 1: a lot, the trading options. And what one thing I

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02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:44,120
Speaker 1: haven't seen them do, and maybe they have, maybe maybe

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02:07:44,200 --> 02:07:49,760
Speaker 1: back in mc bean's first preseason right there, I don't

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02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:52,120
Speaker 1: think I've ever seen them trade draft picks and players

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02:07:53,600 --> 02:07:56,080
Speaker 1: to move up aside on draft day. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that they've traded players on draft day up, yeah, to

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02:07:58,760 --> 02:08:02,640
Speaker 1: move upboard or back players. Yeah, I don't know. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: none of that's out of the realm of possibility. I

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02:08:04,680 --> 02:08:06,720
Speaker 1: don't think. I think I think they do it. They

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02:08:07,120 --> 02:08:09,800
Speaker 1: seem to be, you know, they've got their antenna eye

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02:08:09,880 --> 02:08:11,720
Speaker 1: up and if they want to make a move, they'll

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02:08:12,120 --> 02:08:13,720
Speaker 1: they'll do what they can to make it happen. Have

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02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:15,560
Speaker 1: a tweet here from David on the tweet sheet, which

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02:08:15,560 --> 02:08:18,080
Speaker 1: should have sums everything up. He said this, many people

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02:08:18,200 --> 02:08:21,640
Speaker 1: really think wide receiver is the first pick. He says,

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02:08:21,680 --> 02:08:24,120
Speaker 1: I think outside a quarterback, kicker, U ponter and running back,

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02:08:24,440 --> 02:08:26,960
Speaker 1: everything is in playing round one. And I want to

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02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:28,800
Speaker 1: ask you this question. See we're kind of wrapping things

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02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:30,680
Speaker 1: up here, got a couple of minutes left. Do you

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02:08:30,840 --> 02:08:34,320
Speaker 1: have any better sense today than you did Monday of

2753
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:36,000
Speaker 1: what the Bills are going to do in the draft.

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02:08:36,360 --> 02:08:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think so much of it depends

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02:08:38,280 --> 02:08:40,840
Speaker 1: on what has to happen before the draft, free agency's

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02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:43,600
Speaker 1: coming up, and the quarterbacks. The quarterbacks are gonna be

2757
02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:48,160
Speaker 1: moving right and and also we've seen it happen before

2758
02:08:48,240 --> 02:08:51,040
Speaker 1: like this, and it's easy to conjure up this scenario

2759
02:08:51,200 --> 02:08:54,320
Speaker 1: as one other team in the in the league gets

2760
02:08:54,440 --> 02:08:58,240
Speaker 1: panicky on draft day or even before draft day, says

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02:08:58,280 --> 02:09:01,320
Speaker 1: we've got to do something, um and the Bills are

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02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:03,680
Speaker 1: become part of that equation in some way, shape or form.

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02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:07,960
Speaker 1: So all of that stuff is still in the table

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02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:09,960
Speaker 1: and still has to be ironed out. I wouldn't be

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02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:12,760
Speaker 1: surprised if they signed a quality running back in free agency,

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02:09:13,200 --> 02:09:16,160
Speaker 1: a wide receiver and free agency, and edge rusher and

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02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:19,960
Speaker 1: free agency. Offensive linemen and free agency, a linebacker and

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02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:22,800
Speaker 1: free agency. All those guys are going to be out there,

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02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:25,800
Speaker 1: and they've got the money to get them. I wouldn't

2770
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:28,560
Speaker 1: be surprised if they answer a lot of the needs

2771
02:09:28,600 --> 02:09:30,320
Speaker 1: we've been talking about for a month and a half

2772
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:33,360
Speaker 1: in the next you know, after the next two and

2773
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:35,200
Speaker 1: a half weeks we passed. You don't have any clue

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02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:37,040
Speaker 1: really what the Bills will do. And I agree with that.

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02:09:37,120 --> 02:09:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't need it. But let me ask you this,

2776
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:40,520
Speaker 1: because this I do believe I've learned in the four

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02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:42,560
Speaker 1: or five days we've been here. How about about this

2778
02:09:42,680 --> 02:09:45,320
Speaker 1: draft class. Don't you have a much deeper understanding of

2779
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:48,360
Speaker 1: who might be available in the draft. There's some guys. Yeah,

2780
02:09:48,440 --> 02:09:52,320
Speaker 1: there's some guys, and yeah, ton of wideouts and I

2781
02:09:52,480 --> 02:09:54,560
Speaker 1: and I and this too. We're gonna leave today on Friday,

2782
02:09:54,560 --> 02:09:56,360
Speaker 1: and the big guys are gonna come in today. I

2783
02:09:56,520 --> 02:09:58,760
Speaker 1: think there's some guys on the on the for the

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02:09:58,840 --> 02:10:00,920
Speaker 1: offensive lineman that are gonna be able to play as well,

2785
02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:04,640
Speaker 1: and some sleepers that are going to emerge as being possibilities.

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02:10:04,680 --> 02:10:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't know about first rounders, although given everything that happens,

2787
02:10:09,200 --> 02:10:13,280
Speaker 1: good players slide, and that's at twenty two. I think

2788
02:10:13,320 --> 02:10:15,360
Speaker 1: that's what you're hoping. A couple of tweets I want

2789
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:18,040
Speaker 1: to respond to t Shirt University tweets in didn't they

2790
02:10:18,080 --> 02:10:20,520
Speaker 1: trade up for Cody Ford? Yeah? There, but he's second

2791
02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:22,760
Speaker 1: round it we're talking first round trade ups, right? And

2792
02:10:22,840 --> 02:10:25,440
Speaker 1: the other one one eleven sports. You can't call Henry

2793
02:10:25,480 --> 02:10:27,360
Speaker 1: Rugs too small when there's a one inch five pound

2794
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:30,280
Speaker 1: difference between he and Judy, I'd say he's too small.

2795
02:10:30,320 --> 02:10:32,720
Speaker 1: He said he's slight. He doesn't have a big body.

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Speaker 1: I'd say too small, right, and Judy is not a

2797
02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:38,280
Speaker 1: big body guy. That's right, you know. I mean we've talked.

2798
02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:40,400
Speaker 1: We're talking about got difference between guys that are six

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Speaker 1: one six two and difference between guys that are six

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Speaker 1: four two thirty five two forty. There are guys like

2801
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:49,880
Speaker 1: that in this te Higgins and then there's this Claypool kid.

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02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:53,360
Speaker 1: There's there's big body guys in this draft that can

2803
02:10:53,480 --> 02:10:57,560
Speaker 1: run and do this stuff. So yeah, it is a

2804
02:10:57,600 --> 02:11:00,200
Speaker 1: buffet at wide receiver this year, and we understand that better.

2805
02:11:00,240 --> 02:11:03,000
Speaker 1: Now heavy here and you like the guy from Notre

2806
02:11:03,080 --> 02:11:06,200
Speaker 1: Dame above all a shocker? How fast? I know that

2807
02:11:06,280 --> 02:11:09,120
Speaker 1: was telling one of the highlights from what we've heard.

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Speaker 1: He's a great dude. All Right, we got a break.

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Speaker 1: We're coming back. One Bill slide presented by Kalinda Health

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. We had Greg co sellon from NFL. Uh,

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Speaker 1: what's he from NFL network? No, No, he's from NFL whatever,

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Speaker 1: NFL match by the ESPN. Thank you. We've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of NFL network with people. Greg go sell says

2817
02:11:47,440 --> 02:11:51,040
Speaker 1: top wide receiver Jerry Judy from Alabama. Here's what he

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02:11:51,080 --> 02:11:55,800
Speaker 1: said about it. I think Jerry Judy just his explosive movement,

2819
02:11:56,480 --> 02:12:00,640
Speaker 1: his ability to run routes. He's very refined and advance

2820
02:12:00,760 --> 02:12:03,400
Speaker 1: for a college receiver in his understanding of how to

2821
02:12:03,520 --> 02:12:07,160
Speaker 1: run routes and set up corners or safeties depending on

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Speaker 1: where he's lined up. He lines up both in the slot,

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Speaker 1: he lines up outside. I just it's funny you know

2824
02:12:13,720 --> 02:12:15,720
Speaker 1: he's not a burner. I think he ran his first

2825
02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:17,880
Speaker 1: time was four four six, A second time was worse.

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Speaker 1: But then you watch him in the drills and just

2827
02:12:20,200 --> 02:12:24,240
Speaker 1: the way he moves as a route runner's efficient. It's

2828
02:12:24,280 --> 02:12:25,920
Speaker 1: funny because I was sitting with a coach and the

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02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:28,400
Speaker 1: first thing the coach said to me was no wasted steps,

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02:12:30,040 --> 02:12:32,120
Speaker 1: No wasted steps. Look, we're going to talk about a

2831
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Speaker 1: lot of these receie. We got two months still to draft,

2832
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:36,560
Speaker 1: plenty of time to analyze these guys. These receive too

2833
02:12:36,680 --> 02:12:40,320
Speaker 1: much time to analyze. Yeah, maybe the wont drafted receiver.

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02:12:40,440 --> 02:12:42,400
Speaker 1: We're right, I'm not sure that the first time. Maybe

2835
02:12:42,440 --> 02:12:43,880
Speaker 1: not in the first I mean I think they'll come

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Speaker 1: out of here with the least one, maybe two, and

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Speaker 1: like you said, maybe zero, depending on what happens in

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Speaker 1: free agency. I don't know. I don't know. Again, we said,

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Speaker 1: we do have a much better understanding of what's available,

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02:12:54,760 --> 02:12:56,560
Speaker 1: and I think I think you're crazy if you don't

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02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:58,320
Speaker 1: think you're going to come out of here going into this.

2842
02:12:58,480 --> 02:13:00,440
Speaker 1: You can get a quality guy. Even if he does

2843
02:13:00,520 --> 02:13:02,440
Speaker 1: he's you know, if he's not a top three guy

2844
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:04,720
Speaker 1: or number big, number one, you're gonna get a guy

2845
02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:06,720
Speaker 1: that can play. They want to thank everybody here in

2846
02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:08,600
Speaker 1: Indy for making it impossible for us to come here

2847
02:13:08,640 --> 02:13:11,120
Speaker 1: for the Combine Week coverage. Happy to do it. This year,

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Speaker 1: we had a lot of fun production assistant George Blast,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Colt, Nick Thomas Homider, Kelly Rude, JJ Turto, Kevin Kargis,

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02:13:17,920 --> 02:13:21,800
Speaker 1: James Robold. Our producer here, Jay Harris. See you back Monday,

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Speaker 1: providing we don't get a snow day again. Monday at

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Speaker 1: noon with One Bill's Live presenter by Klaida Health. This

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