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Speaker 2: Jazmine Marshall running the board today for Chris Beam and
Speaker 2: then Isaiah, did you know that there's no weapons allowed
Speaker 2: in the building?
Speaker 6: Are you?
Speaker 2: Are you aware that you were not allowed to carry
Speaker 2: on site?
Speaker 6: I thought Ota started.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean you can show up on a complete list.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's warm outside.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be eighty eight degrees in like one hundred
Speaker 3: percent humidity today today.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in a hoodie and genius, so that sounds good.
Speaker 2: It's not as bad.
Speaker 6: You know, to talk to Alexa when you first wake up.
Speaker 7: When I told it, when I pulled in the parking lot,
Speaker 7: he was out in that backfire parking lot just running
Speaker 7: with one of those parachutes behind him.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, getting some work, trying to get a contract. Man,
Speaker 2: you're on the bands with Britain Brown, like working.
Speaker 3: Through and the off season. My pocket is light. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to find some way to get something.
Speaker 2: You said, you said the Cowboys aren't making any signings.
Speaker 6: Maybe that means there's a duel sametime.
Speaker 2: It's been opportune.
Speaker 6: Need a little window to be cracked, that's all I
Speaker 6: need to get there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Draft's not gonna
Speaker 6: fill them all.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about maybe filling as much of those
Speaker 2: as possible. How was Cali? How was California?
Speaker 3: It was a good experience, man, definitely blessed to have
Speaker 3: the opportunity. There's twenty five former and current guys, mostly
Speaker 3: current guys that were down there for the broadcast boot camp.
Speaker 3: It was literally a once in a lifetime opportunity where
Speaker 3: every executive in sports broadcasting was in one building, one room.
Speaker 6: It was kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: You know, we go to training camp and you know
Speaker 3: you might meet somebody from a big network and you
Speaker 3: know shake their hands like, oh that was cool, that
Speaker 3: was so and so it's like this is literally everybody
Speaker 3: in one room. So it was pretty awesome to be
Speaker 3: able to have that platform get feedback, you know, work
Speaker 3: on your craft, you know, get suggestions, get wisdom from
Speaker 3: the literally the goats of the industry. So uh, definitely
Speaker 3: was able to get some gain some knowledge and bring
Speaker 3: it back here and try to continue working on the
Speaker 3: craft and pretty dope experience.
Speaker 8: Did you get tied with anybody when you're out there?
Speaker 6: I talked to.
Speaker 3: Andy Dalton a lot. I talked to Chase Daniels a lot.
Speaker 3: Uh Homstead, that's a good one. Yeah, Raheemo Raheem was
Speaker 3: down there.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 9: I saw that picture of while you guys.
Speaker 7: It was kind of like the picture that the owners
Speaker 7: meetings where they have all the coaches there and so
Speaker 7: like you always sit there and you're like, I'm gonna
Speaker 7: try and name everybody picture, and I mean there's a
Speaker 7: lot of it.
Speaker 9: Was Cam Jordan there.
Speaker 6: Cam was there, Okay, Yeah, he's just that.
Speaker 9: Andy Dalton's letting the hair go out there, I know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he looks like an AI created person.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys.
Speaker 6: Honey Badger was there. Oh yeah, yeah, cool to chop
Speaker 6: it up with him. He's a kill cat.
Speaker 3: But a lot of current guys, a lot of current guys,
Speaker 3: and then had some legends and worked with I saw
Speaker 3: like guys like Chris Myers was down there, Maria Taylor
Speaker 3: was down there working with us.
Speaker 2: Chris Myers is a legend. Yeah, he doesn't get as
Speaker 2: much love as as some of the other broadcasters in
Speaker 2: the business, but I think he's tremendous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of guys that you would have you
Speaker 3: would have fanned out on those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've got I mean throughout the years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got to know a bunch of those because it's
Speaker 2: such a small world between play by play guys. But
Speaker 2: they have no idea who I am. I just know
Speaker 2: who they are and we've run into each other a
Speaker 2: couple of times. But really cool. I will say, just
Speaker 2: based off of the photos, you were the best dressed
Speaker 2: out of anybody during your on camera segment.
Speaker 6: It looked great.
Speaker 2: The pink suit was very nice. You still exactly three piece.
Speaker 2: We're not talking about just any any regular day. Also,
Speaker 2: you didn't look nearly as good as you do in
Speaker 2: the Cowboys set. Just so you know, don't go anywhere
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Speaker 6: I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: We need you for pregame. J Yeah, I can't get it.
Speaker 2: You can't get out of here that easy. All right,
Speaker 2: let's get in some news and notes, Nick Harris, what's going.
Speaker 10: On with the Cowboys recent so voluntary workouts started yesterday
Speaker 10: yesterday being Monday. A couple of notable emissions from workouts,
Speaker 10: Michael Parsons and Cedee Lamb, reports suggesting that Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 10: is potentially starting a holdout for a new contract. We'll
Speaker 10: see how that kind of comes to fruistion. I think
Speaker 10: it's interesting you look at the landscape of receivers right now,
Speaker 10: and this is starting to kind of be the expectation
Speaker 10: with these fifth year guys. So justin Jefferson didn't show
Speaker 10: up yesterday. It was just reported this morning. He's not
Speaker 10: a fifth year guy. But Corland Sutton didn't show up
Speaker 10: yesterday to the Broncos of voluntary workouts. Now keyword voluntary, obviously,
Speaker 10: but whenever there is those reports being thrown around and
Speaker 10: then you look at Michael Parsons and it's like, that's
Speaker 10: not contract related. They were very adamant about that just
Speaker 10: being what his process is, and he did the same
Speaker 10: thing last year. Kind of takes his own training regimen.
Speaker 10: I mean, it worked for him last year. I think
Speaker 10: he needs to find something that can get him more
Speaker 10: prepared for the longevity of the season, because I think
Speaker 10: I've talked about it a few times on the show,
Speaker 10: where he comes in those first ten games of the
Speaker 10: season is firing, but he needs to find something that
Speaker 10: kind of keeps him going through those seventeen eighteen nineteen games.
Speaker 10: However many games you decided to play in a season,
Speaker 10: I guess before you get burnt out, right, But I
Speaker 10: think it'd be interesting to follow both of those as
Speaker 10: time goes on.
Speaker 8: CD will be a fascinating one.
Speaker 10: He's due for that seventeen million dollars fifth year option
Speaker 10: this year, but obviously worthy of a big time extension
Speaker 10: that can make him the highest paid wide receiver in
Speaker 10: the NFL. You know, justin Jefferson's in that same boat.
Speaker 10: I think Jamark Chase is in that same boat. You
Speaker 10: got T Higgins, who's gonna who's approaching playing on a
Speaker 10: franchise tag, So there's gonna be there's gonna be a
Speaker 10: lot of moving around with this wide receiver market. We're
Speaker 10: finally starting to kind of see the chess game from
Speaker 10: from the receivers and it's starting to kind of come.
Speaker 8: To a head there.
Speaker 10: So we'll see there's a lot of time between now
Speaker 10: and training camp, but we'll kind of see how that,
Speaker 10: how that, how that coincides when time goes on.
Speaker 2: So with all that being said, is there any level
Speaker 2: of I guess concern whenever it comes to Ceedland because
Speaker 2: it is the norm. This is not something that's unexpected
Speaker 2: from four and fifth year guys going into these contract
Speaker 2: years and the options that they get, especially if they
Speaker 2: were a first round pick.
Speaker 6: Do you did you?
Speaker 2: Is this something we expected moving forward?
Speaker 7: Expected from CD if he didn't have a contract by now, Yeah,
Speaker 7: for sure, But I I don't. Yeah, it's an issue
Speaker 7: if they don't get something done. But I just don't
Speaker 7: see a lot of gray area here. It's you know,
Speaker 7: where he stacks up with the best receivers in the game,
Speaker 7: So that contract needs to get done. I completely understand
Speaker 7: him not being here, completely understand it, but that's there's
Speaker 7: nothing that's happening that they didn't know that. Hey, if
Speaker 7: we don't get a contract done with him by the time.
Speaker 7: I mean, like I said, last week's show, Zach Martin
Speaker 7: showed you if you don't show up your training camp
Speaker 7: and you're a key piece, obviously that's a key part
Speaker 7: of it. You're not just gonna be some guy that's
Speaker 7: low but if you're a key piece like that, you're
Speaker 7: gonna get your money. They're not going to go into
Speaker 7: the season without you playing. They need you, you know,
Speaker 7: So I don't I don't think fans should take this
Speaker 7: as CD's not a good teammate or something like that.
Speaker 7: That's not what this is. I mean, he is held
Speaker 7: up his end of the bargain. He deserves to be
Speaker 7: paid like one of the highest paid receivers in the league.
Speaker 7: I completely understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 2: Speaking of held up, do you feel like this just
Speaker 2: because he's missing voluntary workouts? Do you think this is
Speaker 2: headed for a holdout at some point down the line.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it can get there, but you
Speaker 2: expect that from CD Lamb.
Speaker 6: I do not expect that from CD Lamb.
Speaker 3: I think if this conversation transitions into Micah at some point,
Speaker 3: then yes, But CD, I don't foresee that happening. I
Speaker 3: just think it's a very interesting conversation when it comes
Speaker 3: to these contracts and guys holding out the year before
Speaker 3: their contracts up. Do we need to change contracts? Like
Speaker 3: if this is becoming the standard. You know, if you
Speaker 3: got a five year contract and a year four you're like, hey, yo,
Speaker 3: run me run it back, say like like this is
Speaker 3: your foe or five.
Speaker 6: I don't or you know you're five of five. I
Speaker 6: don't know.
Speaker 3: I just feel like conversations probably need to change in
Speaker 3: regards to contracts being at this is becoming the norm.
Speaker 6: Not saying that it's bad on his part.
Speaker 3: I just think that whatever the cowboy field his best,
Speaker 3: and whatever CD feels his best, for equal parties, that
Speaker 3: they need to do that.
Speaker 6: But I do not foresee CD holding out.
Speaker 3: I envision that being the case for Mike at some
Speaker 3: point in time, I truly do.
Speaker 10: I could see him holding out a mandatory OTAs here.
Speaker 10: I mean we're approaching about a month out from that.
Speaker 10: I could see that. I could see that, but I mean,
Speaker 10: if we're talking about training camp.
Speaker 2: Talking about trade, that's what I'm about. We're talking about
Speaker 2: Zach Martin level of holdown.
Speaker 10: Part of me thinks he can and because that'll be
Speaker 10: his leverage and sure, but also at the on the
Speaker 10: same token, like you said, I think maybe you said
Speaker 10: John he's gonna play, He's he's going to be there,
Speaker 10: but I don't know training camp. I would kind of
Speaker 10: go fifty fifty but mandatory OTAs I don't think he's there.
Speaker 7: I think it's beyond fifty percent. He won't be at
Speaker 7: training camp. I'd be surprised if he's at training camp
Speaker 7: if he doesn't have a contract down.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's possible with the current situation that
Speaker 2: a deal is done before training camp? Yeah, early in
Speaker 2: training camp? Yeah, absolutely, even with the current soary.
Speaker 7: I mean, it could be like the Digs thing where
Speaker 7: it happens right before camp starts, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: You know, let's be honest. This offseason, there hasn't been
Speaker 7: a lot to be really excited about. Jerry Jones likes
Speaker 7: the fan base to be excited going into training camp.
Speaker 7: I could easily see something like that being done.
Speaker 9: But when you say about the.
Speaker 7: Contract thing like about the you know, four or five
Speaker 7: years coming after four I for me, I feel a
Speaker 7: little bit differently.
Speaker 9: And I'm not saying everybod should feel this way.
Speaker 7: Just if you're coming off of your this is your
Speaker 7: rookie contract, this is like your real big payday. Like
Speaker 7: I have no issue with any guys doing that. And
Speaker 7: to be honest with you, I judge things so differently.
Speaker 7: And I don't know if it's just because of covering
Speaker 7: this team, but when you're one of that like top
Speaker 7: you know whatever, five to ten percent, I just there's
Speaker 7: so much more I allow, you know, there's just there's
Speaker 7: so much more that I'll put up with when your
Speaker 7: talent level is at at a certain level, just because
Speaker 7: let's be honest, at the end of the day, this
Speaker 7: is a business about winning football games and having the
Speaker 7: best players. So it's where you get a trickle down
Speaker 7: to like, you know, some people that maybe aren't in
Speaker 7: that top five or ten. I think that's where you
Speaker 7: have like a real issue. But for this particular team
Speaker 7: with let's say, you know, like a Dak Prescott or
Speaker 7: Cdee Lamb, I don't have any issue with a business.
Speaker 3: I'm less concerned about CD's situation, and I'm more concerned
Speaker 3: about Micah not being here this year in particular, not
Speaker 3: from the physical standpoint, but from just the mental aspect,
Speaker 3: especially with Zimmer coming in. I think that that's a
Speaker 3: good point, the missed opportunities for him to build a
Speaker 3: relationship with him, Not to say that he can't. Right
Speaker 3: we're in twenty twenty four orders zoom. There's cell phones, FaceTime,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever else, you know, other methods of communication
Speaker 3: where they can connect, but having that in person connection
Speaker 3: where you're building a relationship with this new play caller
Speaker 3: who's going to be the one who's tasked with putting
Speaker 3: you in position to be successful and all the intricacies
Speaker 3: that come with what he's going to expect of you.
Speaker 3: I think it's important for him to be around this year,
Speaker 3: this off season just because of what's on the line.
Speaker 7: Does it matter to deal with the leadership? Do you
Speaker 7: guys care about that? That part of it?
Speaker 6: Not with him, Not with him.
Speaker 3: I think he's a again we're not in the locker room,
Speaker 3: but I think he's more of a lead by example
Speaker 3: type of guy in terms of his production play on
Speaker 3: the field. I play on the field, not necessarily the
Speaker 3: other things that go on in the locker room. I
Speaker 3: think you have d law in guys of that nature
Speaker 3: for that. But I do believe that there may be
Speaker 3: a hit that's taken by him not being here and
Speaker 3: being present and working with Zimmer and meeting with Zimmer
Speaker 3: on the regular and his new staff and everything.
Speaker 7: That real quick off of that, what about two years
Speaker 7: from now, let's say de Law is not here, Michael
Speaker 7: gets the huge deal, highest paid defensive player in the game.
Speaker 7: Do you think he needs to be at all this
Speaker 7: stuff if that's the case.
Speaker 6: I think it changes in that regard.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you how much of the pressure is on
Speaker 2: Mike Zimmer in this scenario to make sure that that
Speaker 2: open communication is had and is met Because it takes
Speaker 2: two to communicate, no doubt. I mean, everybody that's married
Speaker 2: knows that one it takes two to communicate.
Speaker 8: You're gonna be in trouble.
Speaker 6: It's true.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 6: She would agree with me.
Speaker 2: She's probably told me that in the past, and we've communicated.
Speaker 2: It's been great. But the it's the way that that
Speaker 2: that has to work out and work seamlessly going into
Speaker 2: training camp, going into this season, because you don't really
Speaker 2: have a whole lot of room for error anymore, especially
Speaker 2: if you're Mike Zimmer. Zimmer and your number one, especially
Speaker 2: if you're trying to stop the run, especially specially you're
Speaker 2: Micha McCarthy. Even if you're Michael Parsons. You you can
Speaker 2: have a little bit of a room for error if
Speaker 2: you're Michael Persons. But you want that contract, You want
Speaker 2: to be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL,
Speaker 2: and in order to do that, he still has to
Speaker 2: produce and still has to be that guy.
Speaker 3: I am watching this situation with my eyebrow raised. I
Speaker 3: really am MIKEA. Micah and Zimmer. Yeah, I am still
Speaker 3: in the belief that I believe in Zimmer as a
Speaker 3: productive defensive coordinator. I'm not convinced hit and as I
Speaker 3: stand on it today like I did before before when
Speaker 3: the hiring was going on, I'm not convinced that his
Speaker 3: style is going to work with this generation of player,
Speaker 3: and I'm just not convinced.
Speaker 2: I have been on that.
Speaker 3: I am waiting to see and I hope that it
Speaker 3: works out. I truly do big fan of obviously the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: I hope that it works out, but I have no
Speaker 3: evidence to show that that's going to work out, and
Speaker 3: when your best player is not present, it's really hard
Speaker 3: to build that bond during these months, right, You don't
Speaker 3: want to wait until August to try to figure that out.
Speaker 6: You would like to have whatever.
Speaker 3: Disputes and disagreements and understanding of personalities and how you
Speaker 3: guys communicate together, figure it out prior to training camp.
Speaker 3: Trying to figure that out at that time is going
Speaker 3: to be difficult. And again that's not to say that
Speaker 3: there's not other forms of communication, but there is something
Speaker 3: to be said. And I don't think anybody would dispute
Speaker 3: that with being in person and being able to walk
Speaker 3: over into somebody's office, sit down and have a conversation
Speaker 3: with them. And I'm not sure that that's going to work.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure we'll talk about some of these guys'
Speaker 3: position changes and things of that nature. It sounds as
Speaker 3: if we're getting to three four territory, and we talked
Speaker 3: about that prior to him getting hired.
Speaker 6: At this roster that.
Speaker 3: He's coming into is not built for three to four
Speaker 3: at all. And the pieces that you lost this offseason,
Speaker 3: if you were going to enforce at three to four,
Speaker 3: you lost some very important elements and instrumental guys for
Speaker 3: the A three to four type system.
Speaker 2: Hankins Durrance, I mean late and if he was still healthy.
Speaker 3: So I am again I am watching this entire situation
Speaker 3: with my eyebrow raise, and I am curious as to
Speaker 3: how this thing's going to pan out. This draft, this
Speaker 3: the rest of this off season is going to be
Speaker 3: very intriguing to see what happens there.
Speaker 10: I think draft will probably answer your question though, as
Speaker 10: far as scheme and where they could be headed there,
Speaker 10: depending on where they value certain positions on which days
Speaker 10: and things of that nature. When do they go get
Speaker 10: a defensive tackle, When do they go get a linebacker?
Speaker 10: If they do, if they go get another one, so
Speaker 10: if they go get another corner, I think that could
Speaker 10: probably tell you a little bit as well. But you
Speaker 10: talked about this this generational player and Mike Simmer having
Speaker 10: to kind of relate with that. I think whenever you
Speaker 10: look at this defense, it very much resembles this generation.
Speaker 2: Of player as well.
Speaker 10: This defense specifically, it's a young defense overall. You do
Speaker 10: have d Law, a veteran. You got Eric Kendrick who's
Speaker 10: a veteran who will be coming in. But overall the
Speaker 10: mentality of that defense. It's a young core, so yeah,
Speaker 10: definitely gonna have to be able to relate with it
Speaker 10: and be able to coach it and have that respect
Speaker 10: be kind of reciprocated in the same sense.
Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned the NFL Draft. It's funny you
Speaker 2: missed positional values.
Speaker 8: Yeah, what's that.
Speaker 2: That's what we're going to talk about when we come back.
Speaker 2: We're gonna give you a little NFL Draft preview talk
Speaker 2: about some of the needs. Is an offensive lineman an
Speaker 2: absolute lock with the first round pick. We'll tell you
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Speaker 6: You got him in.
Speaker 2: Last week when you were in Cali. You bragged about it.
Speaker 2: You brought in the guns. This morning, I did not
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Speaker 2: not have any rt RTGs.
Speaker 6: I'm going to.
Speaker 2: Bring just a box in here and see would you eat?
Speaker 6: Is a RGG or what would be a rt E?
Speaker 6: What are you talking about?
Speaker 8: I don't even know what you reference?
Speaker 3: So like drinks, Like if you have like a energy drink, right,
Speaker 3: it's RTD so ready to drink?
Speaker 6: Oh ready?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you got to RTG is a ready to
Speaker 3: go you know? Or you know RTE ready to eat?
Speaker 3: I mean, how would you categorize that?
Speaker 2: Woud be an art?
Speaker 9: It's so what did you eat?
Speaker 2: John's more of an LTE guy I.
Speaker 6: Have this morning? I had a banana.
Speaker 9: I'm ann e b never eat breakfast.
Speaker 3: Had a protein shake. I haven't had my fair share
Speaker 3: of breakfast today.
Speaker 9: Like what are we talking about?
Speaker 7: Like you wake up in the morning, first meal? Like
Speaker 7: what are we talking How many calories do you think
Speaker 7: you're putting back?
Speaker 3: I don't count calories anymore, but usually it's like, for
Speaker 3: like my five am, I think this man is counting galaries,
Speaker 3: Like today's just seeing what's what's on the shoulder here?
Speaker 3: Today's my five am day where I have to be
Speaker 3: at work at five, So usually I get grab an apple,
Speaker 3: want to go. I drink like thirty two ounces of
Speaker 3: water within the first hour, hopefully, and then I get
Speaker 3: I get a shake in. That's usually like my first
Speaker 3: couple of hours, and then I try to find some food.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a couple of five ams coming coming
Speaker 2: my way pretty quickly.
Speaker 6: You have a lot more than five ams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly? Two five thirty three. All right, let's talk
Speaker 2: about the NFL drafty seriously? Three thirty three?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Is the offensive line position an absolute lock for first
Speaker 2: pick of the NFL draft? I hope so for your
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys. We haven't talked a lot of draft, but
Speaker 2: what we have talked about on this show is offensive line.
Speaker 2: That is, then you know number one concern early and
Speaker 2: often has that shifted at all for anybody?
Speaker 10: No, I don't believe. So is it a lot? I
Speaker 10: would say it's probably eighty percent in my opinion. I
Speaker 10: think a scenario that you could see at not be
Speaker 10: offensive line is if you know a lot of those
Speaker 10: names come off the board quick, those top offensive line names,
Speaker 10: and they decide to trade back, and whenever they trade back,
Speaker 10: they lose even more names. Off that board and they
Speaker 10: end up falling off defensive tackle or a linebacker or
Speaker 10: something like that. But I think there's probably an eighty
Speaker 10: percent chance they go ahead and grab an offensive lineman.
Speaker 10: I think the question that I'd kind of like to
Speaker 10: post to the table is if you could place one
Speaker 10: guy on this offensive line who could be a Day
Speaker 10: one starter, maybe not Tyler Smith production, but in that
Speaker 10: same raiment, in that same.
Speaker 8: Stratosphere, would you rather have that a tackle, guarter?
Speaker 2: Center? Mmmm?
Speaker 6: That's a tough one. So like from the draft, yeah, just.
Speaker 10: From a first trumpet or yeah, draft in general, I
Speaker 10: mean specifically for a trump pick, but draft in general.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you would expect it to be a first
Speaker 2: round pick for immediate production. But you're talking about what
Speaker 2: Tyler did in his rookie season.
Speaker 8: Yeah, maybe not to that extent, but because.
Speaker 2: I think expecting any first round pick to be an
Speaker 2: all pro? Right right? Asking for a lot? Is it possible? Absolutely?
Speaker 8: This franchise is known to do it quite a bit,
Speaker 8: very good at it.
Speaker 9: You guys think it's close.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm thinking left tackle, but center is
Speaker 2: a problem. See, but center is still a problem.
Speaker 9: Is recycle four years?
Speaker 7: If they have to if you get a left tackle
Speaker 7: like the Tyler's are thinking, you got that guy for
Speaker 7: like ten to fifteen years. I think them one of
Speaker 7: the top probably three most important positions.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, I think it's left tackle because
Speaker 2: that's a top three or four position in the NFL.
Speaker 2: But the amount of conversations that we've had on this show,
Speaker 2: specifically that is centered around the offensive line, has been
Speaker 2: more focused on the inadequacies at center than it was
Speaker 2: at a left tackle. Now, part of that is because
Speaker 2: there was Tyron Smith and he stayed healthy for at
Speaker 2: least the majority of the twenty twenty three season, But
Speaker 2: even when he went out and back and forth, I
Speaker 2: still think we were talking about center. And also you
Speaker 2: still talking about wanting a long early center.
Speaker 7: What's the longest tenured center that they've hadais for four years?
Speaker 9: How long was Frederick three? Four years?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then you.
Speaker 9: Go with Andre Gerard.
Speaker 7: I mean, I mean seriously, like I'm trying to think
Speaker 7: the last time they've had like a center.
Speaker 8: Yeah dreams here for a minute, interviewing him tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, quick, quick flex.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting for.
Speaker 10: A deep blue nice But I think you also to
Speaker 10: that same point, you could have the left tackle in
Speaker 10: the building already. I mean, I am team Tyler Smith
Speaker 10: left guard. Yeah, but I mean I think I think
Speaker 10: there is a realistic argument to be made that he
Speaker 10: could be that left tackle for the long term.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: Oh, I even think there's no usually made as much
Speaker 7: as people aren't gonna want to hear this, but I
Speaker 7: wouldn't be surprised if at right the correct the left
Speaker 7: tackle they really want isn't there and they end up
Speaker 7: moving Tyler Smith out to left tackle for a year
Speaker 7: and next year if depending on where their das, then
Speaker 7: they take the like I don't even if they, let's say,
Speaker 7: like this season upcoming Tyler Smith is their left tackle,
Speaker 7: that doesn't mean that I think that, oh well, no,
Speaker 7: that's just for he'll be.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean, when we were at the combine and Steven
Speaker 7: said the thing about the comp to Larry Allen, That's
Speaker 7: one of the first things I thought about is I'm like, oh,
Speaker 7: that I could see them doing that for a year
Speaker 7: where they put them back out there because the right
Speaker 7: player that they like didn't fall to him. Saying I'm
Speaker 7: not saying that isn't going to be their goal. I'm
Speaker 7: saying that being their fallback plan.
Speaker 10: So they circle back on Calvin Banks next year. That's
Speaker 10: a good one, oh man, that would be fun.
Speaker 2: Would high enough for that? No? Hopefully not, probably not.
Speaker 8: Hopefully we're not high enough.
Speaker 7: The original question you said though about the position, and
Speaker 7: you mentioned defensive tackle.
Speaker 9: So I thought about this.
Speaker 7: I feel like myself and a lot of people that
Speaker 7: follow this team probably lean towards the offensive line because
Speaker 7: there's been this success draftnes offensive lineman. You are confident
Speaker 7: when they take one in the first round. If you
Speaker 7: had that same confidence though about defensive tackle, let's just
Speaker 7: say just throw out Byron Murphy just for suple, Okay,
Speaker 7: if you knew he was going to be the man like,
Speaker 7: oh no, this is going to be one of these
Speaker 7: like top defense tackles in the league for like ten
Speaker 7: years or something. You could talk me into that being
Speaker 7: the pick, no, no question, just but we haven't seen
Speaker 7: them use a high pick on a defensive tackle that's
Speaker 7: been that guy, And so you're kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I don't know if that's the direction you go, But
Speaker 7: if you told me that the left tackle is gonna
Speaker 7: be really good, the defensive tackles can be really good.
Speaker 7: I'll be like, oh, no, give me the defensive tackle.
Speaker 7: I know they can find that left tackle. Just it's
Speaker 7: been a long time, Like you talk about the center,
Speaker 7: going all the way back to Andrew Girard. Yeah, when's
Speaker 7: Les Saime, they've been a defensive tackle. You're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: that guy's gonna be here for like, you know, ten years,
Speaker 7: Like this is this is the guy that.
Speaker 2: Hasn't been there for ever. I mean it's been a
Speaker 2: long long.
Speaker 7: Time since his Murphy or anybody in this draft on
Speaker 7: that level. Do you think or could be on that level?
Speaker 8: I think defensive tackle position specifically.
Speaker 10: And then the thing about Murphy is he's a true
Speaker 10: three tech and the other first round defensive tackle is
Speaker 10: also a three tech, jers On Newton out of Illinois.
Speaker 10: So it's like, yeah, you could draft him, but how
Speaker 10: are you gonna get him on the field? Do you
Speaker 10: want him to play at one tech at two hundred
Speaker 10: ninety pounds, Like, I don't know, it'd be it'd be
Speaker 10: tough to sell.
Speaker 3: But I would find somebody big because based upon what
Speaker 3: we're hearing in terms of this scheme, possible scheme was Zimmer.
Speaker 6: You don't have that guy on your roster.
Speaker 8: You don't have the beef at all at all. You
Speaker 8: might need to get two of them in the draft.
Speaker 6: You need too.
Speaker 3: You also need two offensive linemen, and you also need
Speaker 3: a running back, and you also need a receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's rank those.
Speaker 8: Tier one needs. Let's rank these tier one.
Speaker 3: And a dB okay, and a like oh, a couple
Speaker 3: of linebacker, a couple line you don't have enough draft picks.
Speaker 2: Trade down anyways. The linebacker, offensive tackle, interior offensive line,
Speaker 2: defensive tackle, and running back. Those are five spots of need.
Speaker 8: I counted six.
Speaker 2: Sorry, linebacker, offensive tackle, interior offensive line, defensive tackle, running.
Speaker 8: Okay, gotcha. Yeah I didn't put wide.
Speaker 2: Receiver or anything like that. Yeah, rank those five needs.
Speaker 2: If you want to throw in a wild card, you
Speaker 2: can't but rank the needs one through five for the
Speaker 2: Cowboys right now, right now, line.
Speaker 7: D he had he had offen. Interior offensive line is
Speaker 7: two different, two different ones.
Speaker 3: So so give me a give me an old tackle, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: if it's there. Those are interchangeable, right based upon the
Speaker 3: scenario you just present it. Give me a left tackle, okay,
Speaker 3: give me a d tackle as give me a running
Speaker 3: back give me a linebacker, give me another.
Speaker 2: Linecker, just the bodies there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was especially if you're especially this is with
Speaker 3: my mindset of what I'm hearing in terms of guys
Speaker 3: going back to the original positions and things of that nature,
Speaker 3: and the word that Mike has been told that he's
Speaker 3: going to be a stand up deal.
Speaker 6: That's three four. Yeah, that's three four.
Speaker 2: That is okay.
Speaker 6: If you're running a three four, you need eight linebackers
Speaker 6: on your roster.
Speaker 2: And how many do you have?
Speaker 14: You have two, you have three? Maybe four, you have three,
Speaker 14: you have three o O. Eric Kendricks, you got three?
Speaker 14: At least?
Speaker 7: How many things fifty three I'm talking true traditional the
Speaker 7: ball linebackers.
Speaker 9: How many think will be in the fifty three.
Speaker 6: To five six five or six six you have to
Speaker 6: have you have to have six.
Speaker 7: You don't think you can get one of those guys
Speaker 7: at least and undrafted rickey free agents you.
Speaker 6: Very well may, you very well may. But I'm just
Speaker 6: saying that you have if you're running a three four scheme.
Speaker 3: Coupled with the changes in special teams on kickoff, right,
Speaker 3: you're gonna use a lot of linebackers.
Speaker 9: To talk about getting bigger at linebacker too special.
Speaker 6: You have to, Yeah, you have to.
Speaker 3: You're running a three four. You have three linemen spread
Speaker 3: across five offensive linemen. Yeah, linemen are getting up to linebackers. Now,
Speaker 3: if that's going to be the scheme, the primary scheme,
Speaker 3: not saying that's all they're going to run. If you're
Speaker 3: primarily running a three four defense, offensive guards are uncovered,
Speaker 3: they are working up. They're gonna chip on the on
Speaker 3: the nose tackle, and they're working up to your linebackers
Speaker 3: b two hundred and thirty five pounds.
Speaker 2: If you want to, they're chipping you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you go lift you like a forklift.
Speaker 2: If if they're running a three four is Mike could
Speaker 2: considered it a linebacker.
Speaker 6: He's a stand up he's a stand up outside linebark.
Speaker 2: So he would he be a part of your eight
Speaker 2: is what I'm asking.
Speaker 6: Yes, So he would be.
Speaker 2: He would be.
Speaker 3: He would be classified as a linebacker who loved that
Speaker 3: conversation for negotiations, he would hate that.
Speaker 2: Uh, Kendricks, Clark Parsons over shown. Hopefully there's four and
Speaker 2: then I mean outside of that, you've got like a
Speaker 2: mixture of guys You've got I can't believe Marquise Belt.
Speaker 2: You've got tyres We you's got Buddy Johnson too, Smallnessiliami Forjoco,
Speaker 2: He's a big, big body.
Speaker 6: He's a stand up he could be there. He's a
Speaker 6: stand up man. He played it at San Jose State,
Speaker 6: outside linebacker.
Speaker 8: San Jose, San Jose.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I'm mixing them in San Diego State, the
Speaker 2: yellow and Blue San Jose. Yeah, Spartans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so those are those are outside linebackers, but typically
Speaker 3: outside linebackers like do you wear was an outside linebacker.
Speaker 6: Just to put that in context. Okay, when he first tired,
Speaker 6: he was that stand up defensive and AKA outside linebacker. Hmmm,
Speaker 6: I'm worried. I'm just being honest. I'm being straight. I'm
Speaker 6: being straight. No chaser. If that is going to be
Speaker 6: the primary system, I am concerned.
Speaker 2: I'm really and.
Speaker 3: I'm concerned about how Zimmer's going to affect his draft.
Speaker 3: What kind of pressure is he going to apply in
Speaker 3: that room, in the war room when these names start
Speaker 3: popping off the board.
Speaker 7: The only thing I'll say about that is we have
Speaker 7: not seen this team draft. When Mike McCarthy is in
Speaker 7: the final year of his contract and he knows that
Speaker 7: he needs help on this offense. So while I agree
Speaker 7: with you on that, I think anybody listening is don't
Speaker 7: think that that means that they're just going to be Hey,
Speaker 7: Zimmer's a new DC, Let's give him everything that he
Speaker 7: wants because they I think we're not the only ones
Speaker 7: that understand that they need offensive line help badly and
Speaker 7: that you're probably not going to find that outside of
Speaker 7: the first two days in terms of media to.
Speaker 2: Help, you know. And it's interesting to think about that
Speaker 2: element to it as well. Well. The way that the
Speaker 2: hierarchy works. I mean, it's always been front office first,
Speaker 2: and I'm putting the scouting department and Will McLay in
Speaker 2: that front office category. Then you've got Mike McCarthy, who
Speaker 2: does have an impact on who they take. He does
Speaker 2: have a decision in that room, maybe not the final decision,
Speaker 2: but a big contributing factor to that decision. Then you've
Speaker 2: had Dan Quinn who's also had a legitimate amount of
Speaker 2: opinion and input into that decision as well. Will Zimmer
Speaker 2: have that same level of input and will Mike McCarthy
Speaker 2: have that same level of input because he's saying the
Speaker 2: same thing, I need to win now, I need to
Speaker 2: draft guys that are NFL ready now because I've got
Speaker 2: one year left on my contract and I want to
Speaker 2: win as much as possible even with the current cap situation.
Speaker 2: But when you're in the front office and you're looking
Speaker 2: at it as a long term deal, how much are
Speaker 2: they going to push away from that one year mindset
Speaker 2: and say we need to pick guys that are gonna
Speaker 2: be good for the long term.
Speaker 7: Offense was just loaded and a bunch of guys are
Speaker 7: under contracts. I can see where you're coming from where
Speaker 7: they might be like, do it. I mean, we obviously
Speaker 7: we can handle another offensive weapon, but do we really
Speaker 7: need one. There's no way that anybody, let's say there's
Speaker 7: coaching staff's completely removed and it just just the scouting staff,
Speaker 7: front office.
Speaker 9: There's no way you look at that offensive line and go, no, no,
Speaker 9: we can.
Speaker 7: Just kind of patch this together with some duct tape
Speaker 7: in WD forty Like now, that's not happening.
Speaker 9: They know that they need good point. You know some
Speaker 9: out there.
Speaker 7: I don't want to get too far off track, but
Speaker 7: just because you said this, I have to ask you
Speaker 7: if somebody came to you and they were like, the
Speaker 7: roster's been completely clear, the coaching staff, everything's gone all
Speaker 7: we're doing number one thing, We're building around Michaeh Parsons.
Speaker 7: What do you think is the best defense for him?
Speaker 7: Because you're the way you're talking about the three four.
Speaker 7: While it might not be fitting this personnel, to me,
Speaker 7: I'm the type of person of I need my best
Speaker 7: players in the best position to have success, and to me,
Speaker 7: Michah Parsons isn't going anywhere. So for you take everything
Speaker 7: out of it, forget the coaching staff, last year contract,
Speaker 7: everybody else that's on the team, what they have right now,
Speaker 7: it's just Michaeh Parsons is the only person and you're
Speaker 7: in charge of this entire organization. Where what's the best
Speaker 7: way to utilize Michael Parsons. So, to like his point,
Speaker 7: you have him still playing his best later in the
Speaker 7: years and wrecking games at the highest level he possibly
Speaker 7: can do that.
Speaker 6: It's a good question. I believe that.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to say that the four to three
Speaker 3: and the three four are equal for him in terms
Speaker 3: of opportunity. The thing is, you want to get him
Speaker 3: isolated as much as possible. If you put Micah in
Speaker 3: a three four where he's standing up and coming off
Speaker 3: the edge. Yes, he has great matchups in terms of
Speaker 3: his ability to have those one on ones, but also
Speaker 3: there's a huge opportunity for them just to go to
Speaker 3: the opposite direction to run the ball right.
Speaker 6: So like having him in a four to three, you you.
Speaker 3: Would like to discourage them from running the rock right,
Speaker 3: and you have more guys to take up more blockers,
Speaker 3: they can't double team you as much.
Speaker 6: So I like, I.
Speaker 3: Personally like the four to three better for Micah, especially
Speaker 3: with the personnel that is currently on the roster. But
Speaker 3: I get your point in terms of having him standing
Speaker 3: up on the edge versus guys, But you could fan
Speaker 3: all you're gonna get as a fan call and a
Speaker 3: garden Attackle are going to turn and turn and go
Speaker 3: out to him, and the center is gonna turn to
Speaker 3: that to that defensive end that they have Supposedly, is it.
Speaker 2: Really such thing as a true four to three and
Speaker 2: a true three four anymore in the NFL? I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel like every team runs a variable very much defense,
Speaker 2: a variable front that that ends up being multiple. But
Speaker 2: if if I'm saying the same thing, I'm saying the
Speaker 2: same thing as you as if there was a you're
Speaker 2: running four three or three four. I would rather have
Speaker 2: him as a four three because I think it benefits
Speaker 2: him and the other guys around him a little more.
Speaker 2: And you can hide him in a lot of that too.
Speaker 7: Four to three staying on one edge or four to
Speaker 7: three like he's venues moving around back.
Speaker 6: And forth, three both. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think if you're trying to utilize Micah in
Speaker 2: the right way, you're not gonna keep him in one spot. Like,
Speaker 2: that's just not how it works. He there are guys
Speaker 2: in the NFL where it works for them. I mean
Speaker 2: you think about guys like Bosas or TJ. Wide and
Speaker 2: how those guys work. They can work off of one
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett, one singular side and have success regardless. Micah's
Speaker 2: strength comes from his versatility.
Speaker 7: Do you think that that's had any impact on maybe
Speaker 7: a little later in the season.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think exactly.
Speaker 8: I think so.
Speaker 10: Like I don't want to say burnt out because that
Speaker 10: was a key word towards the end of the season,
Speaker 10: but that's kind of what it looked like. You saw
Speaker 10: him get completely wiped out of games slate in the season.
Speaker 8: Green Bay is a perfect example.
Speaker 10: I think it really started to turn around the Seattle game.
Speaker 10: I think that's kind of when you started a good game,
Speaker 10: you kind of, yeah, it was. It's kind of when
Speaker 10: you quit noticing his impact on a quarter to quarter basis,
Speaker 10: because there's always one two plays every quarter where he's
Speaker 10: either getting in on the action or he's getting a sack,
Speaker 10: and that's when you started to see that kind of
Speaker 10: decline from there. Seattle game was kind of when it
Speaker 10: started to get noticeable. So maybe a couple weeks before that,
Speaker 10: maybe a week or so after that, give or take.
Speaker 8: But I think that very well could because.
Speaker 10: You have him lining up in different directions, you have
Speaker 10: him going up against different body types, you have him
Speaker 10: taking on different kind of loads every week.
Speaker 8: I think that definitely plays a part in it.
Speaker 14: It.
Speaker 10: Conditioning is going to be a huge factor going into
Speaker 10: this offseason for him, but also he did a lot
Speaker 10: of boxing work last offseason. He's got to do even
Speaker 10: more because at the end of the day, he is
Speaker 10: a smaller pass rusher and he's going to have to
Speaker 10: take on bigger guys. He's always going to rely on
Speaker 10: his athleticism, But what happens when you can't rely on
Speaker 10: your athleticism, what are you going to do, and I
Speaker 10: haven't seen that kind of click for him yet in
Speaker 10: his three years now, so I need to see a
Speaker 10: little bit more of an element from him whenever someone
Speaker 10: can line up with him athletically like a Jordan Milatta
Speaker 10: has been able to do a couple of times, or
Speaker 10: you know, various left tackles as well.
Speaker 6: I like it.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of conversations that go into the draft
Speaker 2: pick in general, and I think all of these conversations
Speaker 2: are being had across the hall because it's not just
Speaker 2: a luck that it's an offensive lineman.
Speaker 6: Early.
Speaker 2: If let's say one of these top edge rushers is
Speaker 2: there and they're sitting at twenty four, maybe you have
Speaker 2: a conversation because you don't know what you have on
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the football right now, top defensive tackle,
Speaker 2: same thing, you don't know what you have. I think
Speaker 2: if I'm you said eighty percent, I think it's even more.
Speaker 2: I think i'd say like eighty five to ninety percent
Speaker 2: it's going to be an offensive tackle or an offensive lineman.
Speaker 2: I'm just hatching, Yeah, you kind of have to use
Speaker 2: There's no such thing as a one hundred percent, No
Speaker 2: such thing as a one hundred changes draft. Yes, so
Speaker 2: keep that in mind, all right. When we come back,
Speaker 2: let's talk about some of the not so much needs.
Speaker 2: There's not a whole lot of them. I feel like
Speaker 2: you could probably address any position on this roster when
Speaker 2: we come back here on the Doubt or on Talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 9: Quarterback twenty four. I'd be surprised if they take on
Speaker 9: it all at all.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would too.
Speaker 10: I think this is a situation that if Michael Pratt
Speaker 10: from Tulane slips to like the fifth round, or a
Speaker 10: Jordan Travis slips to the skiffs. Yeah, you would say
Speaker 10: you would love that, and then that's probably where you uh,
Speaker 10: that's probably where you think about it.
Speaker 8: But you don't need a quarterback in this draft. You
Speaker 8: need a lot of other things.
Speaker 10: I think quarterbacks, quarterback, tight end, in safety you don't
Speaker 10: need to address in this draft.
Speaker 8: And some people give me hell over safety.
Speaker 10: I do not think you need to draft a safety
Speaker 10: in this Okay, those are the three positions that you're
Speaker 10: safe with.
Speaker 2: Everything else, everything else is on the table. You can
Speaker 2: make an argument for Okay, what about tight end? Why
Speaker 2: do you think tight end is no longer a.
Speaker 10: I mean, you spent the second round pick on it
Speaker 10: last year. Jake Ferguson exceeded expectations last year. You got
Speaker 10: John Stevens Junior coming back, you got Peyton Hendershot coming back.
Speaker 10: I mean, you're gonna have competition in that room. Maybe
Speaker 10: you go get a guy in the undrafted pool just
Speaker 10: kind of throw in in that mix and kind of
Speaker 10: beef up the competition in that room, similar to what
Speaker 10: John Stevens Junior did last year. But I mean, you
Speaker 10: have four guys that were capable of making a fifty
Speaker 10: three man roster last year coming back next season, and
Speaker 10: when you look at all the needs on the offensive
Speaker 10: and defense side of the ball, you don't need to
Speaker 10: tie in.
Speaker 7: I mean, they found Peyton Hender, shot, mcewne was serviceable,
Speaker 7: John Stevens.
Speaker 9: These guys are all undrafted guys. If they needed another
Speaker 9: guy in.
Speaker 7: The room, that makes sense, and I would be more
Speaker 7: open to a lot of those things. But as you mentioned,
Speaker 7: they just don't have the number of picks and the
Speaker 7: holes that they have in other spots.
Speaker 9: Just they're just so much greater.
Speaker 7: And fullback you don't need a dress oh obviously obviously, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Why is that? Nick oh Man?
Speaker 8: Just I think you got the best fullback in the
Speaker 8: NFL and the team, you know, see.
Speaker 2: The only fullback in the NFL.
Speaker 8: There's still there's Baltimore go to.
Speaker 2: Cheek guys, tongue in cheating. Yeah, but yeah, Kyle check,
Speaker 2: I know, I get it. The big guy Baltimore four
Speaker 2: zero who likes to fumble at the goal line.
Speaker 6: Five and fifty five pounds in their backfield.
Speaker 7: Now, I do think Lipkey is going to be more
Speaker 7: more of a factor this year than he was, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think so, Yeah, of course you think so. We
Speaker 2: can't take anything I say.
Speaker 8: That I'm biased, Like, let me take my lippy hat
Speaker 8: off for a minute.
Speaker 7: I think I'm just saying, like off season conversations I've
Speaker 7: had with people that are in positions to know these
Speaker 7: things will tell you that I think Lipky will have more,
Speaker 7: and I think Cabante Turpin as a receiver will have more.
Speaker 2: We've talked about it before that this team is so
Speaker 2: good at snagging the post draft process and taking advantage
Speaker 2: of that. I mean, DJ bass I had a fourth
Speaker 2: round grade on the guy last year and they got
Speaker 2: him undrafted. He could possibly be your rotational starter on
Speaker 2: the interior, depending on what happens. Like really, truly it
Speaker 2: could happen. Uh. Then you've got Hunter. I had a
Speaker 2: fifth round grade on him last year and he could
Speaker 2: be a significant piece of your offense. John Stevens Junior
Speaker 2: what he's brought to the table as well. I mean,
Speaker 2: they have that. But with all that being said, and
Speaker 2: maybe the possibilities of those positions notwithstanding, is it more
Speaker 2: likely to see a trade back scenario this year than
Speaker 2: in recent memory?
Speaker 6: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: I think so too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you look at missing the fourth round pick, you
Speaker 8: look at needing.
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, if you want to talk about
Speaker 2: taking a quarterback. The Cowboys took a quarterback with their
Speaker 2: fourth round pick. That's what they've done.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah, so you're talking about they took those
Speaker 8: years ago.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about trading and that fourth round pick that
Speaker 2: they had this for this draft, they've already used it
Speaker 2: on a quarterback.
Speaker 8: So yeah, that's very fair.
Speaker 2: I know there's some national conversation about taking a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Don't expect it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's very fair. I think you need
Speaker 8: to trade back.
Speaker 10: If the guy you love at twenty four is not there,
Speaker 10: get on the phone, pick up an extra pick or two,
Speaker 10: and start filling those needs with some more picks.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 6: I agree? I agree.
Speaker 3: I would like to see if I would like to
Speaker 3: say office of tackle taken obviously, but to your point,
Speaker 3: if the guy that you love is not there, and
Speaker 3: then get out of there, Yeah, I mean, you're in it.
Speaker 3: You're at the part of the first round where you're
Speaker 3: either going to get your guy or you're not gonna
Speaker 3: get your guy. You're either going to be in love
Speaker 3: or you're not going to be in love. So if
Speaker 3: you're not in love, then go play the field well,
Speaker 3: and a.
Speaker 7: Big part of it too, is that as we sit
Speaker 7: here today, I mean, when you're at twenty four, so
Speaker 7: much stuff has to happen that you can sit here
Speaker 7: in today and you can have multiple calls out saying, yeah,
Speaker 7: you know, we got three different partners to move back with,
Speaker 7: so probably good chance Cowboys are gonna trade back. Well,
Speaker 7: and then stuff falls a certain way in those first
Speaker 7: twenty twenty three picks and all of a sudden, those
Speaker 7: teams aren't interested and you're sitting there like, well, I
Speaker 7: thought we were gonna be able to trade back, and
Speaker 7: stuff as an a or something happens where there's a
Speaker 7: player sliding that you maybe you're not you're interested in,
Speaker 7: but somebody else is, and all of a sudden, you
Speaker 7: get that call when you're on the clocket twenty.
Speaker 2: Four, you know it's overpaid.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so they'll be prepared for it, but it's hard
Speaker 7: to predict right now because you don't know who's going
Speaker 7: to be there. It'd be way easier if we're doing
Speaker 7: the show and they were on pick twenty right now
Speaker 7: and being like, well, these guys are all available, and
Speaker 7: he and the Cowboys like all these guys, I bet
Speaker 7: you they could move back four or five spots and
Speaker 7: still get one of these guys. This is you know,
Speaker 7: I think they would love that scenario. They would love
Speaker 7: to find a path there to move back a handful
Speaker 7: of spots, gain a fourth round, third rounder, you know,
Speaker 7: in the process. But it just will that be there.
Speaker 7: The thing that they won't be doing is they won't
Speaker 7: be trading up. No, you know, I mean happening you
Speaker 7: simple math here. You just add this offseason and how
Speaker 7: conservative and boring it's been in terms of adding players.
Speaker 7: There hasn't been any aggressiveness at all. With the fact
Speaker 7: that they haven't traded up since Mooke Clayborne in twenty twelve.
Speaker 7: Like that's a long track record of not trading up,
Speaker 7: traded back twice since then, once with the Frederick once
Speaker 7: with you know, the Michael Parsons pick. But moving up plus,
Speaker 7: I don't think that there's anybody in this draft that
Speaker 7: they would move up for. And when I say move up,
Speaker 7: I don't mean move from twenty four to fifteen.
Speaker 9: I mean we even move up five spots. I haven't
Speaker 9: seen them doing it.
Speaker 2: Maybe like there's Tally Si Fuaga, Is that who you
Speaker 2: were going to say?
Speaker 8: I know that's the one guy. I think they get
Speaker 8: on the phone.
Speaker 9: How far up would you move for that?
Speaker 2: You would have to get inside the top fifteen to
Speaker 2: do it, and I think that's about as far as
Speaker 2: they're going to go.
Speaker 10: I think if they were to do it, if he's
Speaker 10: still on the board at like sixteen, you get on
Speaker 10: the phone with whoever has eighteen. I think it's maybe
Speaker 10: Jacksonville or since he since he. Yeah, you get on
Speaker 10: the phone with Sincy and start kind of working the
Speaker 10: phones there, and you have to kind of parlay some
Speaker 10: picks next year. I think the one bit of a
Speaker 10: breathing room that you do have if you want to
Speaker 10: trade up is the fact that you're probably gonna have
Speaker 10: a lot of comp picks next year. So it depends
Speaker 10: how aggressive you want to be there. But I think
Speaker 10: if Fuaga is falling that and they view him as
Speaker 10: the left tackle of the future, then I could see
Speaker 10: them being aggressive and going to grab him.
Speaker 7: I personally do not think that the Dallas Cowboys will
Speaker 7: trade up in the first round with Jerry Jones's owner
Speaker 7: ever again, unless it's a quarterback. Yeah, if they trade
Speaker 7: up in the first round, it'll be because, of course,
Speaker 7: I don't see them doing it for another position player again,
Speaker 7: I really I just don't.
Speaker 9: I don't see that happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Isaiah, what do you think about Tyley Esi Fuaga
Speaker 2: out of Oregon State? What do you think about him?
Speaker 6: I don't like the school he went too. But he's
Speaker 6: a big boy.
Speaker 8: They're not even the same conference anymore.
Speaker 10: They got there's no there's no beef anymore.
Speaker 2: He's a big boy. Sixty six three twenty four. Hunh
Speaker 2: you can play, he can play, he can play. That
Speaker 2: might be your one guy, but I don't think it's happening.
Speaker 6: I don't see them trading up.
Speaker 13: Man.
Speaker 3: This is again we're talking about going out and grabbing
Speaker 3: a guy that you would really love, but you're sacrificing
Speaker 3: the roster spots.
Speaker 6: That you really need to, that you really need to
Speaker 6: attend to.
Speaker 3: So even if there's a guy that's absolutely amazing, I
Speaker 3: still don't think that you can pull the trigger. I
Speaker 3: think you put yourself in an extreme disadvantage. You're going
Speaker 3: into this draft with an extreme disadvantage. So to go
Speaker 3: out there and be like, oh, yeah, we locked this one,
Speaker 3: we got that one position on lock, but now we
Speaker 3: have all these holes and.
Speaker 6: We lost draft picks. You know, I just I can't
Speaker 6: foresee that happen.
Speaker 9: How would you feel if that first round pick is
Speaker 9: a center?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't just opposed to if he was a dog,
Speaker 3: If he was an absolute dog, then obviously then at
Speaker 3: that point then you have to move Tyler Smith out.
Speaker 2: There's two guys for you. There's it's Graham Barton and
Speaker 2: Jackson Powers Johnson. Those are your two xach Fraser. You
Speaker 2: can make the argument you think for a first round
Speaker 2: twenty four or overall? Oh no, no, no, I think he's
Speaker 2: a trade back scenario.
Speaker 8: We're talking about twenty four.
Speaker 7: Specific Yeah, they take one of those two centers at
Speaker 7: twenty four. How are you guys feeling Let's say that's
Speaker 7: one of those two centers is the pick.
Speaker 2: I would feel great if it's Graham Barton, Oh man,
Speaker 2: I would be cartwheels. If it's graand Barton, I don't
Speaker 2: think he's going to be there one and two Jackson
Speaker 2: Powers Johnson. I think he's great on film. The medicals
Speaker 2: are a little concerning of what we've been hearing.
Speaker 6: That's about it.
Speaker 2: Like, outside of the medicals, I think he's a great player,
Speaker 2: and he may be legitimate for years to come. But
Speaker 2: it's just with the twenty fourth pick, you gotta be
Speaker 2: sure he's.
Speaker 8: Gonna have to grow schematically as well.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that that there has to be a
Speaker 10: lot of teaching between now and training camp.
Speaker 8: But we'll see.
Speaker 10: That would be one reach kind of wait and see.
Speaker 10: But you bank on the trades there and he's got them.
Speaker 7: So I just kind of wonder from a down the
Speaker 7: road standpoint of can you pay a center big time money.
Speaker 7: Let's say that they identify one of those two guys
Speaker 7: and they are a ten year Travis Frederick, you know
Speaker 7: where it's like, Oh, obviously, if Travis Frederick never as
Speaker 7: Gian Berret, you know, still the center of the team
Speaker 7: right now? Yeah, for ten years, can you pay him
Speaker 7: and Tyler and then whoever your left tackle is and
Speaker 7: your quarterback and Micah and CD you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 7: there's one thing about center where I'm just like, if
Speaker 7: that's your key piece there, that's gonna because I feel
Speaker 7: like where they're at right now at center, they'll just
Speaker 7: rotate in somebody every a young kid.
Speaker 9: Every four or five years move on to the next
Speaker 9: one type thing like that.
Speaker 7: But to be able to find that left tackle that
Speaker 7: you could have there for ten, ten, fifteen years, like
Speaker 7: pay them, you know, a top of the market. I
Speaker 7: think that's completely worth it, you know. But if you
Speaker 7: have a generational talent at center, I guess you got
Speaker 7: to do it too. I mean, Creed Humphrey seems like
Speaker 7: he's doing a good job.
Speaker 2: Win a Super Bowl, so he's done a couple of
Speaker 2: good things along the way.
Speaker 7: I just think there's a decent chance that that's the pick.
Speaker 7: And I just I'm interested to see the way that
Speaker 7: the fan base will react to a center being their
Speaker 7: first first pick.
Speaker 3: Just know that you're you're getting your left tackled at
Speaker 3: the same time. Yeah, his name is James Tylers Smith.
Speaker 3: If you draft the center, you have your left tackle
Speaker 3: and then brock Hoffman or t J as your guard.
Speaker 3: I mean, it makes it simple. It simplifies your decisions.
Speaker 3: You know what you have at the offense line at
Speaker 3: that point.
Speaker 7: What's your confidence level? And Tyler Smith that left left
Speaker 7: tackle for a full season.
Speaker 6: I need to see more of it. I haven't seen it
Speaker 6: since his Ricky year.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so he was good. He was good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he has the pro but but he
Speaker 3: has a position of flex I mean, give him reps.
Speaker 9: I don't know if I've been around it.
Speaker 7: Like a younger type player though, that has the right
Speaker 7: mentality more than he does.
Speaker 6: I mean he willing able.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he he checks off every box like that.
Speaker 7: I mean yeah, you couldn't get a better person, for
Speaker 7: sure to be in that situation.
Speaker 2: He's possibly a top five guy in that lockero.
Speaker 9: Oh for sure.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think he's he's he's everything that they've ever wanted
Speaker 2: at that spot and more. All Right, that does it
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